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    impossible choice: Nomad Carbon or Ibis HD ?

    Yeh, that's choice of the helfy, I know...
    Nomad has grease ports for bearings maintenance but longer chainstays. No grease port on the Ibis -did you encounter some play on these bearings ?- but a so nice geometry.
    Intended use: I will need to pedal uphill fast for epic all mountain ridings with buddies, but also going down, even ski ressort DH. Right now I have a Tracer VP and a S-works stumpjumper FSR
    Opinion welcome !!!

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    You are in the Ibis forum, and so the opinions will be biased.
    Go with the Ibis. Pedals well, even with a coilover.
    Take the money you save on the Ibis vs. the Nomad and put it toward a RS Vivid Coil and you will have the ultimate All-Mountain bike with incredible uphill traction and amazing DH capabilities.
    Best Bike Ever.

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    Thats actually very smart thinking.
    Personally it would be a pushed mx tune gen 2 Fox DHX, though Vivi is less of a mouthfull

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    Quote Originally Posted by nzl62
    Thats actually very smart thinking.
    Personally it would be a pushed mx tune gen 2 Fox DHX, though Vivi is less of a mouthfull
    How about a PUSH'd Vivid with a custom tune direct from PUSH?

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    Why not save some $ and ride the nice bikes that you have?

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    Well for the shock option I already had to think hard for my Tracer as the stock RP23 (not a boost valve version) was a deception. And I ended up with a Manitou Evolver ISX6 which is a great air shock DH oriented. There will be the air Vivid also next year. And don't forget to have a look on the shock eyelet bushings for striction, it could ruin a shock feeling.

    What about the Tracer: good geometry (slacker headangle+lower bottom bracket with 160mm fork will be a plus) but I had SOOOOO many troubles with it. Bearings play during 1 year (yes !!!) due to frame defect, and the last (I spare you from all the "middle" problems) crack rear arm. It COULD be a very good bike, but mine is a nightmare !
    The Spe' stumpjumper FSR is also a goo one. But not enough for ski ressort. And I'm 6 foot high: the Large is so large and the medium is so... medium, there a big hole in between where sit the Tracer L but also IBIS HD and Nomad L sized. I have tried the Spé Enduro and it's the same: L too big, M too small. Futhermore with the so short chainstay, you have to put weight on the front so as not to skid in turn, which could be difficult in scary tracks

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    Quote Originally Posted by subliminalshiver
    How about a PUSH'd Vivid with a custom tune direct from PUSH?
    Id take that over the Fox MX tune any day of the week. I think Push nailed it with that setup.

    I had the older Nomad and it was a good bike. I have a Mojo and its a great bike, I wouldn't think twice about pulling the trigger on the HD. Just look at the packages for the X9 and XT builds for Ibis then compare it against the Nomad packages. Can't go wrong with the HD especially with the Limbo chip, makes it super versatile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magsrgod
    Id take that over the Fox MX tune any day of the week. I think Push nailed it with that setup.
    You can say that again....
    I had the opportunity to ride a PUSH'd Rock Shox Monarch RT3, a PUSH'd Rock Shox Vivid RC2, and my trusty Fox RP23 back-to-back-to-back. I'm gonna post a full review when I get a chance, but suffice it to say that the Monarch was awesome and the Vivid was even better! It completely corrected the things I felt were flawed. The ONLY drawback for me is a little bit of weight.... But then again, supposedly the Vivid with a Ti spring is only a shy bit heavier than the DHX Air....

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    Quote Originally Posted by subliminalshiver
    You are in the Ibis forum, and so the opinions will be biased.
    Go with the Ibis. Pedals well, even with a coilover. Take the money you save on the Ibis vs. the Nomad and put it toward a RS Vivid Coil and you will have the ultimate All-Mountain bike with incredible uphill traction and amazing DH capabilities.
    Best Bike Ever.
    Somewhere I read the HD was specifically designed for a (custom valved?) air shock.

    Any HD owners out there slap a coil on theirs? I'd be curious to hear feedback.
    Taking it easy for all you sinners.

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    I rode my Mojo to a podium finish this last weekend. 35 miles with 6500 feet of climbing. Where everyone was walking their bikes, I rode. 28% grades on relatively loose stuff. Then on the downhills, I was held up every single time.

    The bike just can't be beat. I can only take so much credit.
    Note to self: 85% of FTP for 20 min.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leszazas
    Yeh, that's choice of the helfy, I know...
    Nomad has grease ports for bearings maintenance but longer chainstays. No grease port on the Ibis -did you encounter some play on these bearings ?
    You don't need grease ports on the Ibis. Santa Cruz has been infamous for their creaking pivots, which is the reason they (finally) added the grease ports. In my experience of >3 years of riding in all conditions, the Ibis links just don't creak. Every time I was sure I had creaky pivots, it ended up being something else. Of course the links do eventually wear out, but they are easy and inexpensive to replace compared to Santa Cruz.

    Each of those bikes has its benefits, and you can't really go wrong, but I would not let grease ports be a factor in your decision.

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    B.Lopes is one HD owner worth referring to...

    Quote Originally Posted by jubilee
    Somewhere I read the HD was specifically designed for a (custom valved?) air shock.

    Any HD owners out there slap a coil on theirs? I'd be curious to hear feedback.
    Lopes is rocking a Marzo coil on his HD. I'm sure that if it works for him it might work for others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jubilee
    Somewhere I read the HD was specifically designed for a (custom valved?) air shock.

    Any HD owners out there slap a coil on theirs? I'd be curious to hear feedback.
    I think the "custom valved" air shock refers to the particular propedal (low) and Boost Valve (225) settings of the RP23.....
    The bike was "designed" to work with an air shock.... Turns out it totally rips with a Coil!
    I demo'd the above mentioned Vivid Coil with the PUSH upgrades and holy *****! what an incredible difference. Massive gains in sensitivity while retaining the excellent pedalling characteristics. The bike sticks like a 12-inch pin. I thought the traction was awesome before but with a Vivid back there, the rear wheel tracked like a velvet scapel. The most remarkable thing to me is that Ibis and DW seem to be sorta anti-coil and I can't really figure out why.
    This particular shock was a massive improvement. Smooth consistent travel. Gorgeous.
    Even climbing it really seemed to work well. No more "bob" than I noticed before, but even better traction.
    I have no engineering background and very little tutoring in the world of suspension dynamics or tuning so I can only offer my opinion as that of someone who has been riding for 15 years and just recently started to understand the tenth part of how to make suspension better. But I can see NO reason why this bike shouldn't have this shock on it as it seems to be a better fit in every area except weight.... and even then, the penalty is minimal for the increase in performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benja55
    Lopes is rocking a Marzo coil on his HD. I'm sure that if it works for him it might work for others.

    Well I'll be danged. You're right.

    Thanks for the info guys.
    Taking it easy for all you sinners.

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    My HD HD

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/subliminalshiver/4952278527/" title="mojo by subliminalshiver1, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm5.static.flickr.com/4110/4952278527_ddd8918a63_z.jpg" width="640" height="480" alt="mojo" /></a>

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    Quote Originally Posted by subliminalshiver
    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/subliminalshiver/4952278527/" title="mojo by subliminalshiver1, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm5.static.flickr.com/4110/4952278527_ddd8918a63_z.jpg" width="640" height="480" alt="mojo" /></a>
    Is that the Pushed tuned Vivid?If so how do you like it compared to the stock shock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by subliminalshiver
    bla bla bla

    That is a really nice bike right there. However, I am actually curious about the floor it's sitting on. What is that? A concrete coating?
    Note to self: 85% of FTP for 20 min.

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    easy choice...

    mojo hd.

    i have a sc blur xc carbon (vpp2), mojo (dwlink) and ironhorse mkiii (dwlink).

    dw link > vpp

    the mojo climbs better than my blur, it decents better than my blur, and is way smoother overall.

    majority of the difference is due to the suspension design differences from what i can feel, after owning the blur, i now know what everyone is raving about with the dwlink.

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    may be is time to try this one

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    Quote Originally Posted by AkumaY
    i have a sc blur xc carbon (vpp2), mojo (dwlink) and ironhorse mkiii (dwlink).

    dw link > vpp

    the mojo climbs better than my blur, it decents better than my blur, and is way smoother overall.

    majority of the difference is due to the suspension design differences
    I'm sure the Blur XC having only 100mm of travel and the Mojo having 140mm has nothing to do with anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dreicha
    may be is time to try this one
    What is that? It has the "benefits" of a heavier weight coil, and the sticky friction of an air shock!

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    How is the bottoming on the Vivid? I thought because of the bikes falling rate design, coil was not recommended, with the exception of the FOX RC4.

    The Push'd Monarch RT3 sounds awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigen
    I'm sure the Blur XC having only 100mm of travel and the Mojo having 140mm has nothing to do with anything.
    i agree with you about the obvious that the mojo is a better descender, but that it's a better climber is impressive.

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