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    GG is going to be releasing a steel, burly, aggressive, plus hardtail. Stay tuned for more details or post any intel you have.


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    Boost148 rear with massive tire clearance.

    Short stays, slack HTA, long front end. Should be a ripper!

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    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Nice! I heard frame pricing is gonna be a little less than 1k. Whats the travel on that bad boy?

    It looks like a Pike with 120 or 140mm.

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    Looks nifty

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    I must say I find this name ironic, as the last two GGs I saw were being pushed up gentle climbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    I must say I find this name ironic, as the last two GGs I saw were being pushed up gentle climbs.
    Eh its all in the rider and having fun. The pedalhead wont win any xc hill climbs but sure looks like a fun bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    I must say I find this name ironic, as the last two GGs I saw were being pushed up gentle climbs.
    Says more about the rider than bike or brand, but you knew that. I've been setting climbing PRs since I got my MT.

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    Sweet.
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    Those stays look crazy short

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    They are
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    GG is going to be releasing a steel, burly, aggressive, plus hardtail. Stay tuned for more details or post any intel you have.

    You had me right up until hardtail. Meh.

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    Cant really tell by spy shot of pedalhead but looks like frame has internal routing. I wonder if it will have non tapered 1.5 head tube like the megatrail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Cant really tell by spy shot of pedalhead but looks like frame has internal routing. I wonder if it will have non tapered 1.5 head tube like the megatrail.
    Definitely not internal, but this is a proto. Under the top tube, down the seat stays.

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    Gotcha, thats a better shot. Looks like very clean routing of cables and burly non tapered 1.5 head tube. Im curious what fork travel limits are for frame. Im hoping it will accept a 140 or 150mm boost pike. That looks like a 120mm pike but cant tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Gotcha, thats a better shot. Looks like very clean routing of cables and burly non tapered 1.5 head tube. Im curious what fork travel limits are for frame. Im hoping it will accept a 140 or 150mm boost pike. That looks like a 120mm pike but cant tell.
    That's an MRP fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    I must say I find this name ironic, as the last two GGs I saw were being pushed up gentle climbs.
    Did you let them pass on the way down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    Did you let them pass on the way down?
    Never saw them again.
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    Any idea what the tires are? They don't look like plus tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    Any idea what the tires are? They don't look like plus tires.
    WTB Trailboss 3.0 27.5+ on WTB Frequency i35 rims

    EDIT: From the looks of the pic... they're the special "WTF" series of tires
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Gotcha, thats a better shot. Looks like very clean routing of cables and burly non tapered 1.5 head tube. Im curious what fork travel limits are for frame. Im hoping it will accept a 140 or 150mm boost pike. That looks like a 120mm pike but cant tell.
    There will be internal routing for stealth dropper posts on the production frames, but nowhere else. The prototype has all of the routing under the top tube, and then under the seat stays.
    That fork is a 120mm travel MRP Stage, a bit longer travel will also work. Headtube is 44mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    There will be internal routing for stealth dropper posts on the production frames, but nowhere else. The prototype has all of the routing under the top tube, and then under the seat stays.
    That fork is a 120mm travel MRP Stage, a bit longer travel will also work. Headtube is 44mm
    Any demos in the Denver area scheduled that would include the pedalhead? Very curious about this one!
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    Looks kinda like the down tube, top tube and stays are square shaped, not round, which would be nifty I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by ride there View Post
    Looks kinda like the down tube, top tube and stays are square shaped, not round, which would be nifty I think
    Matt's said in another thread that the production frames won't be quite so sharp, but not round either.

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    Any intel on geo numbers?

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    We're finalizing some of the geo still before we release it next week, but chainstay is set at 16.5". Seat tube lengths are the same as the Megatrail, and made to fit a Ø31.6mm dropper post. Stay tuned for more.

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    well, it does pedal good.



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    Bueno
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    GG, when is the pedalhead slated for release? I recall geo numbers will be available soon.

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    From what I remember reading on the spec sheet during the release party last night:

    Size Medium
    24.8" ETT
    18" seat tube
    65.5* HTA
    74* STA
    16.5" chainstays

    I believe the forks were 120 Pike, 130 MRP Stage (same a2c as 120 Pike)

    Rear tire clearance was quite good for the 3.0 Trailboss tires on WTB Asym i35 rims. The 29er had 45Nth Nicotine tires, which are an interesting tread pattern.
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    Wow thats slack. I wonder if it will accommodate an longer fork. 120mm not quite enough for my trails. I was hoping for a 140mm or 150mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Wow thats slack. I wonder if it will accommodate an longer fork. 120mm not quite enough for my trails. I was hoping for a 140mm or 150mm.
    Keep in mind it'll get steeper when you sit on it, as it's a hard tail.

    I might be off on the fork travels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    The 29er had 45Nth Nicotine tires, which are an interesting tread pattern.
    Is GG making another frame with 29er wheels or were the Nicotines stuffed into the Pedalhead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    I must say I find this name ironic, as the last two GGs I saw were being pushed up gentle climbs.
    I think this one might have gone over your head

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnroyal View Post
    Is GG making another frame with 29er wheels or were the Nicotines stuffed into the Pedalhead?
    They had two prototype frames. One 29er with Nicotines (On EX471's), one B+ with 3.0 WTB Trailboss (On Asym i35's).

    The frame is designed to run either wheel/tire combo... 2.5" clearance for 29, 3.0" clearance for B+.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    First production Pedalheads are scheduled to be completed in February.

    For Geo, the only caveat to what 06HokieMTB posted is that the 75º STA is the actual, whereas effective is 74º. The benefit is less fore/aft movement of the saddle when it goes up and down to keep the cockpit length more consistent with saddle height. The prototypes have a cutout in the seat tube for clearance with a straight tube, but the production version has an S-bent seat tube to allow for that geometry.

    This seems to be cleared up, but just in case, the frame is designed to fit 29x2.5 or 27.5x3.0. Whatever your preference is, it'll fit. Or, if you want to get two wheelsets and swap them, that's also possible.

    Both prototypes have 120mm travel forks. The 29er Stage has the same axle to crown heights as the Pike. It's designed to take up to 140mm of travel.
    As far as travel, I rode one of them down Portal in Moab with 120mm travel Stage and didn't want more. Different strokes for different folks, though, which is why we designed it to also take a longer fork.
    The head angle seems slack, but it was determined based on what we wanted it to be while riding. The goal was 1º steeper than a Megatrail in Trail Mode. Due to rear suspension, a Megatrail gets 1º slacker when sagged, whereas a hardtail gets 1º steeper at sag, hence the discrepancy at top out.

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    Nice thanks for the info. I will start saving up. Ha

    When does GG start accepting orders or reserves for the pedalhead? I might want to get in my order early, as they might sell out quick or be on long waiting list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Nice thanks for the info. I will start saving up. Ha

    When does GG start accepting orders or reserves for the pedalhead? I might want to get in my order early, as they might sell out quick or be on long waiting list.
    We started taking deposits last night; the web page will be up in the next day or two, but you can also call or email us as well. 303-955-4163 or [email protected]

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    Looks like info is now available for pedalhead on gg website. Pre-Order the Pedalhead! Trail & All-Mountain Hardtail

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    GG how much room is there when sticking a 3.0 inch tire? The WTB trail blazers volume are a tad on the small side for 3.0 width when compared to specialized 3.0 purgatories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    GG how much room is there when sticking a 3.0 inch tire? The WTB trail blazers volume are a tad on the small side for 3.0 width when compared to specialized 3.0 purgatories.
    Lots. Cleared a 3.0 TrailBoss with ease

    EDIT: Sorry, you directed this question towards GG, I guess I should shut up and let them answer these questions
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    BTW: Matt posted this pic on a 303 trails conditions group on Facebook last night:

    For those that are familiar, this is coming down the top of APEX in Golden, CO

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    Nice shot.

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    Just pre-ordered my pedalhead. I went with a large (black with black stickers). GG recommended a large over XL. Im 6ft 3 with 34 inseam. Pedalhead Geo is about on par with my XL stumpy.

    I hear GG frames run a tad big for short stems and wide bars.

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    06Hokie is correct on tire clearance. We've been running the 3.0 Trail Boss tires, which are a full 3" wide, with clearance.

    And, hell yeah stumpy! We're stoked to build one for you!

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    Thanks. Here are geo numbers for comparison to my xl stumpy. I think a XL be too big.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=0&vpid=A1

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Just pre-ordered my pedalhead. I went with a large (black with black stickers). GG recommended a large over XL. Im 6ft 3 with 34 inseam. Pedalhead Geo is about on par with my XL stumpy.

    I hear GG frames run a tad big for short stems and wide bars.


    BTW: I'm a large on every bike I've ridden, but a solid Medium (with 45mm stem) on GG bikes. Good call on the Large.
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    Hey mtg7aa, any more pics of the Pedal head? We need something to hold us over till February. Ha.

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    Yep!

    1st pic: in Moab, riding the plus tire setup on Poison Spider
    2nd pic: 29er setup on a snowy ride near Denver
    3rd pic: Making the parts that make the parts
    4th pic: Prototypes are generally built quick & dirty, and then for production, this is one of the larger projects: making fixtures and a process for repeatable quality.

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    Nice.

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    Funny, I would think to ride the 29er in the desert, and the B+ in the snow...

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    The plus wheels/tires were the only setup we had in Moab....and for that snow ride, we brought both. In the snow, the plus tires were better. This is the plus tire setup from the same ride:

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    Makes sense... 148 rear is killin' me on the frame. Everything I want, but for that. 142 would give me a killer HT 29 for local trails (already have a good wheel set) and a backup set of wide 650 wheels (with regular tires) for my Megatrail, should I happen to blow up one of my Flows. Would it break the bank to make me a 142 rear end with slightly longer chainstays to make up for the 148 advantage?

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    GG what width of rim or wheel set would you recommend for the pedalhead? Don't want something overkill. 35 or 40 would seems like the sweet spot for 2.8 or 3.0 tires. I will probably go with i9 hubs as they are extremely easy to rebuild and quick engagement. I got a set of torches for my stumpy.

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    kragu: we looked into your question. Customized geo can be done, but it would be cheaper to get an extra rear wheel. Feel free to give us a call at the shop to talk more about it.

    Stumpynerd: for rim width, we recommend 25 - 30mm inner width rims for the 29er setup, and 35mm inner width rims for the 27.5+ setup.

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    Why did you guys decide to go with 148? I wish I could use one of my extra 150mm rear wheels .

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    Yeah, deciding what to use took awhile. Here's how it went down:
    We want to put big tires into a really short chainstay, model that in CAD.
    Now put in some tubes, and a crankset. Wow, the tire is just about rubbing the chainring, and going through the frame.
    Fast forward through a lot of trying different layouts....
    Chainline needs to be about 55mm to get the chainring far enough out from the tire
    Now the cassette needs to line up with the chainring per drivetrain manufacturer guidelines
    Looking at a few different options, going with a 148mm rear hub offset 3mm to the drive side made the most sense

    If the rear hub spacing is the only thing hanging you up on a Pedalhead, let us know, we can put a new hub in a wheel or build solid wheels for cheap. There are also some conversions coming out, I believe, to convert a 142 rear hub to 148. That should require end caps plus a brake rotor spacer.

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    And, this is from today, at the local shuttle spot:

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    Nice shots.

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    Dumb question, does the pedalhead frame compatible with fully integrated headsets? Just curious so if I have to press headset in frame or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Dumb question, does the pedalhead frame compatible with fully integrated headsets? Just curious so if I have to press headset in frame or not.
    It uses a SHIS 44mm headset cups. We can press in the cups for you before shipping the frame, that's no problem, and it's a common request.

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    What's your local riding spot...is that the small section of Dakota ridge north of i-70?

    Its so dry and not snowy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singletrackd View Post
    ...is that the small section of Dakota ridge north of i-70?
    .... yes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singletrackd View Post
    What's your local riding spot...is that the small section of Dakota ridge north of i-70?

    Its so dry and not snowy!
    Dakota is definitely a spot we ride in the winter, but those pics were on some DH shuttle trails on private land, a little further up into the mountains. It's the same area where we took this pic:
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    Funny, I saw the frame has a built in bottle opener?

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    Yep, it's prepared for post-ride refreshments:

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    Ha cool. I think you guys might be the first.

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    GG, I noticed on the pedalhead it doesnt have a seat collar clamp. Looks like there some custom built in clamp to hold in the seatpost?

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    Yep, we sized it to use common dropper posts, and since steel tubes are a little thinner wall than aluminum, the standard clamp sizes do not fit. So, we decided to use a weld on clamp.

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    Very interesting bike. Geometry really gets me juiced. To level with you, not sold about square tubing (subject to change on my interest grows) and would want to feel out if the HT angle is appropriate for my usage. Shorts stays & room for 27.5+ tho = ++. Steal - yeah! Intriguing bike. Anyone ride the proto w/ regular 27.5 tires - 2.35? If I take a trip to Denver, demo possible? Next summer's build after all so no rush... nice offering.
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    Those tubes are prototypes, the production tubes have larger corner radii, more rounded. The purpose is lower peak stresses.

    Anyway, yes, demos are available from our shop. For production, everything is still on schedule at the moment.

    27x2.35" will definitely fit, but the BB would be on the low side. If you don't have concerns with pedal clearance, it would rip smoother trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    Those tubes are prototypes, the production tubes have larger corner radii, more rounded.
    Nice - thanks for the reply. Personal opinion but I think that'll improve the aesthetics. Super interested in trying one, next time I'm in Denver I will make a point of it. Lots of well thought out design choices. Cheers.
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    Bike touring seems to be picking up in popularity. Will the pedalhead have holes for frame rack mounts? I believe the new Rocky Sherpa and Jamis Dragonslayer have that option. Not sure the pedalhead is suited for multi day touring. Just was curious.

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    The default doesn't include any specific eyelets, but there are universal racks that can be attached to the frame as is. We can also add eyelets if requested when you order. Stumpy, if you want rack eyelets added to the dropout on yours, let us know.

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    J Paks makes a number of frame packs that are universal as well

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    Cool. I think I might pass on the holes. Ha ha. Didnt know they made universal frame packs. Just was curious. Thanks

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    It's probably a bit too early (since the pre-ordered frames don't drop til Feb), but any pics of what the production Pedalhead frame will look like, since it sounds like there are quite a few changes from the proto (such as tube shape and seat tube). I hesitate ordering one til I can see the final product or a very close approximation, though the geo and overall quality is enticing nevertheless.
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    Yep, I'm on the road today, but will post that up tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    Yep, I'm on the road today, but will post that up tomorrow.
    Wow, thanks (crazy fast response)!

    My order will likely soon follow.
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    Just order one Velo. You know you want one. Im patiently waiting on February to roll around.

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    I do want one as it looks to be soooo spot on in a lot of ways.


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    Here ya go
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    Well, I guess that about does it...time to place an order.

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    Choices, choices. Deciding on what wheelset im gonna go with and fork. I might get hope hubs laced with i35 rims. I have a set of i9s but had bearing issues due to recall. Also looking at a pike boost. Thinking 140mm for travel. Hope e4 brakes will round out my build.

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    I've heard good things about the Easton 35's. Sounds like you'll have a nice ride...soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Choices, choices. Deciding on what wheelset im gonna go with and fork. I might get hope hubs laced with i35 rims. I have a set of i9s but had bearing issues due to recall. Also looking at a pike boost. Thinking 140mm for travel. Hope e4 brakes will round out my build.
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    Hum I will check out the eastons. I see alot of debate on rim width for plus bikes.

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    In my opinion, the size you're interested in (35mm internal width) is spot on for balancing the positives (i.e. Improved tire profile, traction and ride quality) while minimizing the weight penalty.

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    GG any more spy shots of prod frame? I'd like to see what my all stealth large frame looks like

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    Yep, here's a couple recent ride pics:


    This had to be one of the coldest rides I've ever done:
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    Trying out the Goma 29x2.4 in the snow. It works well.
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    Here some video fatbiking in Happy Jack near Laramie, Wy. Nice crash at the end. Not my vid but kinda cool.


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    Anyone have a production Pedalhead to post yet? I need pics!
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    Hey bud, no pics yet. It will be another few weeks or so before I get mine.

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    I'm sure you're beyond excited for it to show up on your doorstep

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    Hey bud, no pics yet. It will be another few weeks or so before I get mine.
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    I'm gonna pick er up in person. I'm only bout 2.5 hrs away from Denver.

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    Like picking up a Ferrari from the factory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VeloRyan View Post
    Like picking up a Ferrari from the factory.
    \m/

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    Bump. Ha ha.

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    Most of the production tubes have finally arrived. Our tubing supplier was 2 months (and counting) late getting our first production batch to us. Fabrication is in process where available:

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    Nice. What does that machine do? It looks like a expensive drill and jig. Sorry Im not up to snuff on machining stuff.

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    It's a milling machine, with CNC capability. It's used for a ton of things, from machining fixture parts, to mitering Pedälhead tubes, post weld machining, etc. The cuts on the end of the chainstays and seat stays aren't purely circular, so we programmed the cutting path in the CNC and cut them as shown.

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    Any Pedalheads ship yet?

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    I got word today that first prod frames just finished welding and are set for powder coat next week. I plan on picking up mine in another week.

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    Kinda wondering if ordered one now about how long before I get it.

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    I must say I find this name ironic, as the last two GGs I saw were being pushed up gentle climbs.


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    FYI, GG just updated their website for pedalhead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate3510 View Post
    Kinda wondering if ordered one now about how long before I get it.
    About 4-5 weeks

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    About 4-5 weeks
    Yup, I ordered one this weekend and was told 4 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate3510 View Post
    Yup, I ordered one this weekend and was told 4 weeks.
    Nice. Im still saving up for parts, my trails are covered in huge snow drifts still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate3510 View Post
    Yup, I ordered one this weekend and was told 4 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Nice. Im still saving up for parts, my trails are covered in huge snow drifts still.
    What fork are you going to use? That is my biggest dilemma.

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    I was gonna go with a 140mm pike boost rc3. Pedalhead is compatible with 120mm-140mm fork. If 140mm is too much I will install an air spring and drop it down to 120mm or 130mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    I was gonna go with a 140mm pike boost rc3. Pedalhead is compatible with 120mm-140mm fork. If 140mm is too much I will install an air spring and drop it down to 120mm or 130mm.
    Stumpy, gonna come to Denver to pick it up?
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    Stumpy, gonna come to Denver to pick it up?
    Yep. Im a little over 2 hrs away from Denver.

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    Anyone plan on trying to use one of theses for bikepacking?


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    Just posted on GG FB page

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    GG, I was browsing the specs on the pedalhead frame and website states that it has 52mm chain line. Does the frame still require boost compatible cranks & chainrings or will standard cranks & rings work? I am looking to purchase some cranks and due to all the variants out there its quite hard deciding what to purchase. Some cranks like Hope come with the necessary spacers but require boost specific chain rings.

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    It uses a 55mm chainline, which we produce with RaceFace Cinch cranks and flip the ring. You can get all of those sorts of build kit components with your frame, know they'll work, and likely spend less money through us.

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    Yeah that might be best so I don't get the wrong cranks. Thabks

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    Any issue running a non boost crankset with a 142 rear hub with spacers on each side to center it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate3510 View Post
    Any issue running a non boost crankset with a 142 rear hub with spacers on each side to center it?


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    You have to run a 55mm chainline, narrower doesn't fit, because big tire and short chainstay. That being said, the RaceFace cranks we spec aren't "Boost" cranks, they just use the direct mount chainrings flipped and BB spacers adjusted to hit 55.

    http://www.raceface.com/media/Crank_...chainlines.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    You have to run a 55mm chainline, narrower doesn't fit, because big tire and short chainstay. That being said, the RaceFace cranks we spec aren't "Boost" cranks, they just use the direct mount chainrings flipped and BB spacers adjusted to hit 55.

    http://www.raceface.com/media/Crank_...chainlines.pdf
    I plan on using a 29 2.4 ardent. Any chance it might fit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate3510 View Post
    I plan on using a 29 2.4 ardent. Any chance it might fit?
    Easily. The base spec is the 2.4 Ardent on i30 rims

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    Easily. The base spec is the 2.4 Ardent on i30 rims
    To clarify I mean will it work with a non boost set up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate3510 View Post
    To clarify I mean will it work with a non boost set up?
    I'm not sure what you mean by the tire working with a non-Boost setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean by the tire working with a non-Boost setup.
    Non boost cranks with a 142 hub with a 3mm spacer on each side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate3510 View Post
    Non boost cranks with a 142 hub with a 3mm spacer on each side.
    You have to run a 55mm chainline, which can be done with normal RaceFace direct mount cranks (flipped ring and BB spacer config), which is what we do with all of the build kits.

    As far as a 142 hub, those work with something like the Boostinator. 3mm spacers on each side won't work because the brake rotor doesn't line up. We also have reasonably priced wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    You have to run a 55mm chainline, which can be done with normal RaceFace direct mount cranks (flipped ring and BB spacer config), which is what we do with all of the build kits.

    As far as a 142 hub, those work with something like the Boostinator. 3mm spacers on each side won't work because the brake rotor doesn't line up. We also have reasonably priced wheels.
    I guess I will figure out this chain line when I receive my frame.

    Syntance sells brake rotor spacers. 10 minutes with a lathe and a drill press and I made my own.

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    GG any more spy shots of the prod frames? Id like to see how much tire clearance there is for the chainstays with 3.0 tire.

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    Looks like 3.5 tire?

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    It says '3.5'... it measures 2.9"ish
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    With a tire that measures a full 76mm (3.0"), there's 6-7mm of frame clearance, minimum. The Fat B Nimble "3.25" easily fits, as it measures about 2.9ish as Hokie mentioned.

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    Waiting on wheels or she'd already be built...

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    ^^ Nice! One more pic of the rounding / profile of square tubes please. Can we see the top tube and down tube shape? Thnx.
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    Patiently waiting on mine. Im going vader black. All black.

    What size of frame is that?

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    This RADiation frame is a medium, F* Yeah Blue is XL:

    TT/DT/HT area:
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    Basketball player buying that XL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Basketball player buying that XL?
    Ha ha, no, but he's pretty tall

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Patiently waiting on mine. Im going vader black. All black.

    What size of frame is that?
    That's a medium frame. I'm 5'11 with long legs so the ETT is plenty long for me. The numbers look more like a large from most other brands.

    This is the standard "none more black." Stumpynerd, what's Vader Black?
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    mtg7aa, I've got a couple quick questions.

    There's a light fluid film inside the frame. WD-40 or some kind of frame saver? Would you recommend any more before building?

    Bike came with a shim in the seat tube. Is it a Problem Solvers 31.6 to 30.9 shim?

    Got a torque spec for the rear axle pinch bolt? How about the seatpost binder bolt? I'm usually pretty happy to go by feel but figured I'd ask for my new frame.

    Are the BB threads already chased and ready for BB install? I haven't yet touched the frame other than to pull her out of the box for a few pics.

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Mega View Post
    ^^ Nice! One more pic of the rounding / profile of square tubes please. Can we see the top tube and down tube shape? Thnx.
    Can take them for you in a few days if you still need them but I'm away for a couple of days. Do the yellow and blue pics from mtg7aa sufice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RPK3 View Post
    mtg7aa, I've got a couple quick questions.

    There's a light fluid film inside the frame. WD-40 or some kind of frame saver? Would you recommend any more before building?

    Bike came with a shim in the seat tube. Is it a Problem Solvers 31.6 to 30.9 shim?

    Got a torque spec for the rear axle pinch bolt? How about the seatpost binder bolt? I'm usually pretty happy to go by feel but figured I'd ask for my new frame.

    Are the BB threads already chased and ready for BB install? I haven't yet touched the frame other than to pull her out of the box for a few pics.

    Thanks!
    The frames ship with a protective oil film on the inside that we apply after powder coat, so there's no need to add any more.

    Seat post shim: yep, you can run either size dropper post. Use the shim for a 30.9, or take it out for a 31.6.

    Derailleur hanger bolt and seat post binder bolt: both 5 Nm

    BB threads are chased

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    That XL looks HUGE! I don't think there's a frame that big out on the market today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    The frames ship with a protective oil film on the inside that we apply after powder coat, so there's no need to add any more.

    Seat post shim: yep, you can run either size dropper post. Use the shim for a 30.9, or take it out for a 31.6.

    Derailleur hanger bolt and seat post binder bolt: both 5 Nm

    BB threads are chased
    Awesome!!

    Too bad my boost wheelset is still weeks away. But that's what ya get when your buddy wants to build your wheels and the nextie rims are more than a month behind schedule. Trying to save pennies and now paying the price...

    Kind of a tease to see it sitting in the garage. Don't think I've ever had another build that I didn't finish the day the frame came out of the box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RPK3 View Post
    That's a medium frame. I'm 5'11 with long legs so the ETT is plenty long for me. The numbers look more like a large from most other brands.

    This is the standard "none more black." Stumpynerd, what's Vader Black?
    Just going for vader goth look. Same exact color as your frame but Im getting black stickers. Going all black on components too.

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    Has anyone been able to take one of these out on the trail yet? If so, whatcha think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Just going for vader goth look. Same exact color as your frame but Im getting black stickers. Going all black on components too.
    Boo

    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Boo

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    Quote Originally Posted by xler8 View Post
    Has anyone been able to take one of these out on the trail yet? If so, whatcha think?
    Yep, I think it's awesome

    Here's a review from Kevin Stiffler, a coach for Lee Likes Bikes: Lee Likes Bikes

    After riding one, he ordered one for himself and a fleet to use while coaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    Yep, I think it's awesome

    Here's a review from Kevin Stiffler, a coach for Lee Likes Bikes: Lee Likes Bikes

    After riding one, he ordered one for himself and a fleet to use while coaching.
    There may be some bias in your awesomeness

    Any non-GG employees try this bad boy out yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPK3 View Post
    Waiting on wheels or she'd already be built...

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    Nice looking frame!! How long did you have to wait for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xler8 View Post
    There may be some bias in your awesomeness

    Any non-GG employees try this bad boy out yet?

    I took the Pedalhead out on my home trail (Apex). It was setup as mid -fat and the trail had spots of snow up high.

    It was a stout climber, although the Proto was tankish so it may be hard to judge just how well it climbed. But, like a HT with plenty grip it did well. Front end stayed planted and it rolled up over anything as long as I provided the power.
    On the downs, the short stays were great on little rollers. It likes being popped off every little groove in the trail. Definitely made for fun. I was rather hesitant to embrace the 27.5+ part however. I simply dont like the bouncy feel of big tyres.
    I would definitely see myself riding this bike setup as a 29er instead. I have owned a couple 29er HT bikes (Canfield) and can tell you this type of bike is really fun to ride. Similar to Yelli Screamy, but stiffer which makes handling more precise.
    Smoothe, poppy and snappy are the words I would use.
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    I'm picking up my new toy next weekend. Stay tuned for build up.

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    Just picked up my Pedalhead in Denver. I got to meet the GG crew and checkout how they make custom frames from scratch. Alot of time, love, and engineering went into building each and every frame. Quality is spot on, welds perfect. Cant wait to build it up and ride!

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    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Slowly building up my pedalhead. Waiting on wheels and rear brake adapter. Then I will be able to shred!

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    Stopped in the shop the other day - finally! A nice fleet of Megas, DH and couple Pedalheads. They had a Pedalhead in the jig and the welder was definitely being very meticulous about the tube fit etc... also got to do the neighborhood ride on a Med Pedalhead - and Im on the small side of this size but yet felt good. Cant wait to properly demo - hoping next week! It's on the top of the list now as a 2nd bike to my full sus. Im trying to get the wifey to consider some riding even if its limited/ez terrain, and the uber low standover and geometry is a big plus to the PH. I threw her over another option and it was a no go as she was basically on the top tube while standing... i even have my color scheme picked out on the build page!

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    Great news kamper. You plan on going plus or 29? I'm going plus.

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    That is indeed the plan - b+ - hoping Maxis DHF/DHR B+ are available soon - if not will look to Dirt Wizards for the durability

    Your build looking good - can't wait to see finished project and ride reviews!

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    Wow my pedalhead puts my stumpy evo to shame. Does everything better! Ride from today, Curt Gowdy Wyoming

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Just picked up my Pedalhead in Denver. I got to meet the GG crew and checkout how they make custom frames from scratch. Alot of time, love, and engineering went into building each and every frame. Quality is spot on, welds perfect. Cant wait to build it up and ride!

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    Are the cranks/BB standard width or they wider to accomidate the wider chainstays?

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    GG uses the standard race face turbine and aeffect cranks with the cinch direct mount rings flipped to give the clearance needed for the wide stays. I made the mistake of getting GX cranks and they did not work and I had to purchase cranks from GG. I highly recommend getting your crank set up from GG so you know it will work.


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    Anyone have a thorough review to post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noosa2 View Post
    Are the cranks/BB standard width or they wider to accomidate the wider chainstays?
    As Nate said, RaceFace direct mount cranks with the ring flipped, and the one required BB spacer on the non-drive side produces a 55mm chainline. Sram direct mount cranks with the 0mm offset chainring also produces the same chainline.
    There are more crank options on the horizon as more companies are adopting chainlines around 55mm as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamper11 View Post
    Anyone have a thorough review to post?
    Patience grasshopper. I only got about 4 rides on mine and 1 epic ride. Once more of my local trails open up I will post up a review. Right now tons of deadfall and snow cover most of my favorite trails.

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    Yes - tis a virtue - but Im not so virtuous when it comes to a new toy!

    Looking fwd to the review - whenever it shows. I missed the opp to pedal one at their group ride as timing/locale just not doable. I hope to get on it within days for a demo on local front range trails

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    Im in south east Wyoming. I ride a large pedalhead. I could meet you at Curt Gowdy if you wanna demo bike this weekend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Im in south east Wyoming. I ride a large pedalhead. I could meet you at Curt Gowdy if you wanna demo bike this weekend?
    Ah nevermind. Dont think it be good test just saw your on smaller end.

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    HA - yes - id likely be laid out like a roadie on the large - appreciate the offer!

    Buddy wanted to head up to Gowdy this weekend, but Im a no go due to prior commits. Do love Gowdy riding!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamper11 View Post
    Anyone have a thorough review to post?
    Don't have a thorough review but I can tell you without a doubt it is the best bike I have ever owned. Climbs and descends better than anything I have ever been on. Just buy one you won't regret it!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate3510 View Post
    Don't have a thorough review but I can tell you without a doubt it is the best bike I have ever owned. Climbs and descends better than anything I have ever been on. Just buy one you won't regret it!!


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    Oh hell yeah, Nate! I forwarded that along to the whole crew at the shop....hearing that stuff definitely makes all the hard work worth it.

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    Well about half of my local trails are open, rest are snowed in, tons of dead fall, or mud bath. Gonna try and do some XC trail riding this week. So far bike climbs like a goat. Was completely shocked given the 65.5 ha. Feels like riding on velcro up loose rocky/rooty climbs. Bike fits like glove and no getting use to after first ride. Need more time on bike for thorough review. Once I get some more time on bike I will post up some Wyoming trail riding videos.

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    How are folks liking there pedalheads?

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    Pedalhead footage!

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    didn't look at all fun!

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    Nope. Nebraska trails way more gnar than Wyoming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Nope. Nebraska trails way more gnar than Wyoming.
    Nebraska has lots of great steak restaurants though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post


    Pedalhead footage!
    Well shoot...I was on the fence about getting one but now I'm sold.

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    DMO ya get your pedalhead yet?

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    Not yet. Last I checked looking like September before I get it

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Not yet. Last I checked looking like September before I get it

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    Are you getting a Pike? That's the only thing I could imagine creating that kind of lead time right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    Are you getting a Pike? That's the only thing I could imagine creating that kind of lead time right now.
    You guessed it. Pike 130mm. Plus custom powdercoat. Good things come to those who wait right?

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    Ah what color ya get?

    On another note just installed a rwc bb and ditched the rf bb. Super smooth and extreme high quality. Check em out. Perfect fit for turbine cranks.

    Love the threaded bb! So much easier than installing a PF bb. When something works why renvent the wheel.

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    It's called Flame Red. It looks like the red that the new Ibis comes in. It also looks like the same red as some Ferrari. I'll post pics when I get it.

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    Got some pics after powdercoat. Once I get it and build it up I'll post more pics



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    Whoa.

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    Finally took some glamour shots... With all that exposed post, it looks like I could've gone with a large but the medium doesn't feel cramped. I've got very long legs for my 5'11. Like my goofy sweep bars and don't care what you think about them...

    The slack head tube and steep seat tube angles play well together and the bike is both a great climber and a super confident descender. Also loving the Nextie Crocodile 50 rims (43mm internal). With the wide rims, I'm running 12.5 psi front and 14 rear with Bridger and Trailboss with no cornering squirm or rim strikes at 190lbs plus gear.

    With a 140 Pike, 3.0x27.5 tires and 170mm cranks, I'm no longer getting the endless pedal strikes that I got on my B plussed Nimble 9 which had and 120mm pike and could fit no bigger than a 2.8 tire in back.

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    Sharp looking sled!
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    Great looking bike and great looking scenery! Where was the first picture taken? Have you taken the Pedalhead out on the beach yet?

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    Ya have any issues with rock strikes on big ass wide 50 rims? I got arc40 rims and already got a few dings from rocks. I'm in the rockies however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnroyal View Post
    Great looking bike and great looking scenery! Where was the first picture taken? Have you taken the Pedalhead out on the beach yet?
    The view is in Chilmark, MA looking out towards Squibnocket point. Never gets old... Sadly, I'm headed back to reality tomorrow.

    Trails around here have some sandy sections and the plus tires excel. But my fat bike is far superior if I actually want to get out on the beach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Ya have any issues with rock strikes on big ass wide 50 rims? I got arc40 rims and already got a few dings from rocks. I'm in the rockies however.
    I have a set of Derby rims on my Canfield Balance which have a much taller profile than these Nextie's which are rather low profile. I seem to get regular rock strikes hitting the side of the taller profile rims but the impacts are purely cosmetic. So far I've had few if any rocks kicked up and onto the Nextie's but with only 200 miles on the odo, maybe it's too early to pass judgement. No dings at the bead on any of my rims except my wimpy single wall fat bike rims.
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    yo Stump - thanks for the bump! Whats your season long experience been on the PH?

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    Have a lot of good memories aboard PH however waiting on leaves to fall for some yellow brick road riding

    I will plan on getting some good shots here soon!

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    God damn I want one of these.

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    SNOW in September!!!!

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    Mmm, aspen leaves on wet dirt. Fall riding is awesome.

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    That's one of the burliest steel bikes I've seen. I've been looking for a replacement for my old Surly Instigator 1.0 that finally cracked last year after thirteen years of attempting to destroy it. I know I want to go with a 27.5 plus that has super aggressive geometry and this beast is spot on. That tubing is bada$$!!!
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