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    GG is going to be releasing a steel, burly, aggressive, plus hardtail. Stay tuned for more details or post any intel you have.


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    Boost148 rear with massive tire clearance.

    Short stays, slack HTA, long front end. Should be a ripper!

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    Nice! I heard frame pricing is gonna be a little less than 1k. Whats the travel on that bad boy?

    It looks like a Pike with 120 or 140mm.

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    Looks nifty

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    I must say I find this name ironic, as the last two GGs I saw were being pushed up gentle climbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    I must say I find this name ironic, as the last two GGs I saw were being pushed up gentle climbs.
    Eh its all in the rider and having fun. The pedalhead wont win any xc hill climbs but sure looks like a fun bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    I must say I find this name ironic, as the last two GGs I saw were being pushed up gentle climbs.
    Says more about the rider than bike or brand, but you knew that. I've been setting climbing PRs since I got my MT.

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    Sweet.
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    Those stays look crazy short

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    They are
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    GG is going to be releasing a steel, burly, aggressive, plus hardtail. Stay tuned for more details or post any intel you have.

    You had me right up until hardtail. Meh.

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    Cant really tell by spy shot of pedalhead but looks like frame has internal routing. I wonder if it will have non tapered 1.5 head tube like the megatrail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Cant really tell by spy shot of pedalhead but looks like frame has internal routing. I wonder if it will have non tapered 1.5 head tube like the megatrail.
    Definitely not internal, but this is a proto. Under the top tube, down the seat stays.

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    Gotcha, thats a better shot. Looks like very clean routing of cables and burly non tapered 1.5 head tube. Im curious what fork travel limits are for frame. Im hoping it will accept a 140 or 150mm boost pike. That looks like a 120mm pike but cant tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Gotcha, thats a better shot. Looks like very clean routing of cables and burly non tapered 1.5 head tube. Im curious what fork travel limits are for frame. Im hoping it will accept a 140 or 150mm boost pike. That looks like a 120mm pike but cant tell.
    That's an MRP fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    I must say I find this name ironic, as the last two GGs I saw were being pushed up gentle climbs.
    Did you let them pass on the way down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    Did you let them pass on the way down?
    Never saw them again.
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    Any idea what the tires are? They don't look like plus tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    Any idea what the tires are? They don't look like plus tires.
    WTB Trailboss 3.0 27.5+ on WTB Frequency i35 rims

    EDIT: From the looks of the pic... they're the special "WTF" series of tires
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Gotcha, thats a better shot. Looks like very clean routing of cables and burly non tapered 1.5 head tube. Im curious what fork travel limits are for frame. Im hoping it will accept a 140 or 150mm boost pike. That looks like a 120mm pike but cant tell.
    There will be internal routing for stealth dropper posts on the production frames, but nowhere else. The prototype has all of the routing under the top tube, and then under the seat stays.
    That fork is a 120mm travel MRP Stage, a bit longer travel will also work. Headtube is 44mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    There will be internal routing for stealth dropper posts on the production frames, but nowhere else. The prototype has all of the routing under the top tube, and then under the seat stays.
    That fork is a 120mm travel MRP Stage, a bit longer travel will also work. Headtube is 44mm
    Any demos in the Denver area scheduled that would include the pedalhead? Very curious about this one!
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    Looks kinda like the down tube, top tube and stays are square shaped, not round, which would be nifty I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by ride there View Post
    Looks kinda like the down tube, top tube and stays are square shaped, not round, which would be nifty I think
    Matt's said in another thread that the production frames won't be quite so sharp, but not round either.

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    Any intel on geo numbers?

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    We're finalizing some of the geo still before we release it next week, but chainstay is set at 16.5". Seat tube lengths are the same as the Megatrail, and made to fit a Ø31.6mm dropper post. Stay tuned for more.

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    well, it does pedal good.



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    Bueno
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    GG, when is the pedalhead slated for release? I recall geo numbers will be available soon.

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    From what I remember reading on the spec sheet during the release party last night:

    Size Medium
    24.8" ETT
    18" seat tube
    65.5* HTA
    74* STA
    16.5" chainstays

    I believe the forks were 120 Pike, 130 MRP Stage (same a2c as 120 Pike)

    Rear tire clearance was quite good for the 3.0 Trailboss tires on WTB Asym i35 rims. The 29er had 45Nth Nicotine tires, which are an interesting tread pattern.
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    Wow thats slack. I wonder if it will accommodate an longer fork. 120mm not quite enough for my trails. I was hoping for a 140mm or 150mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Wow thats slack. I wonder if it will accommodate an longer fork. 120mm not quite enough for my trails. I was hoping for a 140mm or 150mm.
    Keep in mind it'll get steeper when you sit on it, as it's a hard tail.

    I might be off on the fork travels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    The 29er had 45Nth Nicotine tires, which are an interesting tread pattern.
    Is GG making another frame with 29er wheels or were the Nicotines stuffed into the Pedalhead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    I must say I find this name ironic, as the last two GGs I saw were being pushed up gentle climbs.
    I think this one might have gone over your head

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnroyal View Post
    Is GG making another frame with 29er wheels or were the Nicotines stuffed into the Pedalhead?
    They had two prototype frames. One 29er with Nicotines (On EX471's), one B+ with 3.0 WTB Trailboss (On Asym i35's).

    The frame is designed to run either wheel/tire combo... 2.5" clearance for 29, 3.0" clearance for B+.
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    First production Pedalheads are scheduled to be completed in February.

    For Geo, the only caveat to what 06HokieMTB posted is that the 75º STA is the actual, whereas effective is 74º. The benefit is less fore/aft movement of the saddle when it goes up and down to keep the cockpit length more consistent with saddle height. The prototypes have a cutout in the seat tube for clearance with a straight tube, but the production version has an S-bent seat tube to allow for that geometry.

    This seems to be cleared up, but just in case, the frame is designed to fit 29x2.5 or 27.5x3.0. Whatever your preference is, it'll fit. Or, if you want to get two wheelsets and swap them, that's also possible.

    Both prototypes have 120mm travel forks. The 29er Stage has the same axle to crown heights as the Pike. It's designed to take up to 140mm of travel.
    As far as travel, I rode one of them down Portal in Moab with 120mm travel Stage and didn't want more. Different strokes for different folks, though, which is why we designed it to also take a longer fork.
    The head angle seems slack, but it was determined based on what we wanted it to be while riding. The goal was 1º steeper than a Megatrail in Trail Mode. Due to rear suspension, a Megatrail gets 1º slacker when sagged, whereas a hardtail gets 1º steeper at sag, hence the discrepancy at top out.

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    Nice thanks for the info. I will start saving up. Ha

    When does GG start accepting orders or reserves for the pedalhead? I might want to get in my order early, as they might sell out quick or be on long waiting list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Nice thanks for the info. I will start saving up. Ha

    When does GG start accepting orders or reserves for the pedalhead? I might want to get in my order early, as they might sell out quick or be on long waiting list.
    We started taking deposits last night; the web page will be up in the next day or two, but you can also call or email us as well. 303-955-4163 or Bikes@RideGG.com

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    Looks like info is now available for pedalhead on gg website. Pre-Order the Pedalhead! Trail & All-Mountain Hardtail

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    GG how much room is there when sticking a 3.0 inch tire? The WTB trail blazers volume are a tad on the small side for 3.0 width when compared to specialized 3.0 purgatories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    GG how much room is there when sticking a 3.0 inch tire? The WTB trail blazers volume are a tad on the small side for 3.0 width when compared to specialized 3.0 purgatories.
    Lots. Cleared a 3.0 TrailBoss with ease

    EDIT: Sorry, you directed this question towards GG, I guess I should shut up and let them answer these questions
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    BTW: Matt posted this pic on a 303 trails conditions group on Facebook last night:

    For those that are familiar, this is coming down the top of APEX in Golden, CO

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    Nice shot.

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    Just pre-ordered my pedalhead. I went with a large (black with black stickers). GG recommended a large over XL. Im 6ft 3 with 34 inseam. Pedalhead Geo is about on par with my XL stumpy.

    I hear GG frames run a tad big for short stems and wide bars.

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    06Hokie is correct on tire clearance. We've been running the 3.0 Trail Boss tires, which are a full 3" wide, with clearance.

    And, hell yeah stumpy! We're stoked to build one for you!

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    Thanks. Here are geo numbers for comparison to my xl stumpy. I think a XL be too big.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=0&vpid=A1

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Just pre-ordered my pedalhead. I went with a large (black with black stickers). GG recommended a large over XL. Im 6ft 3 with 34 inseam. Pedalhead Geo is about on par with my XL stumpy.

    I hear GG frames run a tad big for short stems and wide bars.


    BTW: I'm a large on every bike I've ridden, but a solid Medium (with 45mm stem) on GG bikes. Good call on the Large.
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    Hey mtg7aa, any more pics of the Pedal head? We need something to hold us over till February. Ha.

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    Yep!

    1st pic: in Moab, riding the plus tire setup on Poison Spider
    2nd pic: 29er setup on a snowy ride near Denver
    3rd pic: Making the parts that make the parts
    4th pic: Prototypes are generally built quick & dirty, and then for production, this is one of the larger projects: making fixtures and a process for repeatable quality.

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    Nice.

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    Funny, I would think to ride the 29er in the desert, and the B+ in the snow...

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    The plus wheels/tires were the only setup we had in Moab....and for that snow ride, we brought both. In the snow, the plus tires were better. This is the plus tire setup from the same ride:

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    Makes sense... 148 rear is killin' me on the frame. Everything I want, but for that. 142 would give me a killer HT 29 for local trails (already have a good wheel set) and a backup set of wide 650 wheels (with regular tires) for my Megatrail, should I happen to blow up one of my Flows. Would it break the bank to make me a 142 rear end with slightly longer chainstays to make up for the 148 advantage?

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    GG what width of rim or wheel set would you recommend for the pedalhead? Don't want something overkill. 35 or 40 would seems like the sweet spot for 2.8 or 3.0 tires. I will probably go with i9 hubs as they are extremely easy to rebuild and quick engagement. I got a set of torches for my stumpy.

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    kragu: we looked into your question. Customized geo can be done, but it would be cheaper to get an extra rear wheel. Feel free to give us a call at the shop to talk more about it.

    Stumpynerd: for rim width, we recommend 25 - 30mm inner width rims for the 29er setup, and 35mm inner width rims for the 27.5+ setup.

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    Why did you guys decide to go with 148? I wish I could use one of my extra 150mm rear wheels .

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    Yeah, deciding what to use took awhile. Here's how it went down:
    We want to put big tires into a really short chainstay, model that in CAD.
    Now put in some tubes, and a crankset. Wow, the tire is just about rubbing the chainring, and going through the frame.
    Fast forward through a lot of trying different layouts....
    Chainline needs to be about 55mm to get the chainring far enough out from the tire
    Now the cassette needs to line up with the chainring per drivetrain manufacturer guidelines
    Looking at a few different options, going with a 148mm rear hub offset 3mm to the drive side made the most sense

    If the rear hub spacing is the only thing hanging you up on a Pedalhead, let us know, we can put a new hub in a wheel or build solid wheels for cheap. There are also some conversions coming out, I believe, to convert a 142 rear hub to 148. That should require end caps plus a brake rotor spacer.

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    And, this is from today, at the local shuttle spot:

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    Nice shots.

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    Dumb question, does the pedalhead frame compatible with fully integrated headsets? Just curious so if I have to press headset in frame or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Dumb question, does the pedalhead frame compatible with fully integrated headsets? Just curious so if I have to press headset in frame or not.
    It uses a SHIS 44mm headset cups. We can press in the cups for you before shipping the frame, that's no problem, and it's a common request.

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    What's your local riding spot...is that the small section of Dakota ridge north of i-70?

    Its so dry and not snowy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singletrackd View Post
    ...is that the small section of Dakota ridge north of i-70?
    .... yes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singletrackd View Post
    What's your local riding spot...is that the small section of Dakota ridge north of i-70?

    Its so dry and not snowy!
    Dakota is definitely a spot we ride in the winter, but those pics were on some DH shuttle trails on private land, a little further up into the mountains. It's the same area where we took this pic:
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    Funny, I saw the frame has a built in bottle opener?

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    Yep, it's prepared for post-ride refreshments:

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    Ha cool. I think you guys might be the first.

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    GG, I noticed on the pedalhead it doesnt have a seat collar clamp. Looks like there some custom built in clamp to hold in the seatpost?

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    Yep, we sized it to use common dropper posts, and since steel tubes are a little thinner wall than aluminum, the standard clamp sizes do not fit. So, we decided to use a weld on clamp.

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    Very interesting bike. Geometry really gets me juiced. To level with you, not sold about square tubing (subject to change on my interest grows) and would want to feel out if the HT angle is appropriate for my usage. Shorts stays & room for 27.5+ tho = ++. Steal - yeah! Intriguing bike. Anyone ride the proto w/ regular 27.5 tires - 2.35? If I take a trip to Denver, demo possible? Next summer's build after all so no rush... nice offering.

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    Those tubes are prototypes, the production tubes have larger corner radii, more rounded. The purpose is lower peak stresses.

    Anyway, yes, demos are available from our shop. For production, everything is still on schedule at the moment.

    27x2.35" will definitely fit, but the BB would be on the low side. If you don't have concerns with pedal clearance, it would rip smoother trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    Those tubes are prototypes, the production tubes have larger corner radii, more rounded.
    Nice - thanks for the reply. Personal opinion but I think that'll improve the aesthetics. Super interested in trying one, next time I'm in Denver I will make a point of it. Lots of well thought out design choices. Cheers.

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    Bike touring seems to be picking up in popularity. Will the pedalhead have holes for frame rack mounts? I believe the new Rocky Sherpa and Jamis Dragonslayer have that option. Not sure the pedalhead is suited for multi day touring. Just was curious.

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    The default doesn't include any specific eyelets, but there are universal racks that can be attached to the frame as is. We can also add eyelets if requested when you order. Stumpy, if you want rack eyelets added to the dropout on yours, let us know.

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    J Paks makes a number of frame packs that are universal as well

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    Cool. I think I might pass on the holes. Ha ha. Didnt know they made universal frame packs. Just was curious. Thanks

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    It's probably a bit too early (since the pre-ordered frames don't drop til Feb), but any pics of what the production Pedalhead frame will look like, since it sounds like there are quite a few changes from the proto (such as tube shape and seat tube). I hesitate ordering one til I can see the final product or a very close approximation, though the geo and overall quality is enticing nevertheless.
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    Yep, I'm on the road today, but will post that up tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    Yep, I'm on the road today, but will post that up tomorrow.
    Wow, thanks (crazy fast response)!

    My order will likely soon follow.
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    Just order one Velo. You know you want one. Im patiently waiting on February to roll around.

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    I do want one as it looks to be soooo spot on in a lot of ways.


    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
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    Here ya go
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    Well, I guess that about does it...time to place an order.

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    Here ya go
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    Choices, choices. Deciding on what wheelset im gonna go with and fork. I might get hope hubs laced with i35 rims. I have a set of i9s but had bearing issues due to recall. Also looking at a pike boost. Thinking 140mm for travel. Hope e4 brakes will round out my build.

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    I've heard good things about the Easton 35's. Sounds like you'll have a nice ride...soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Choices, choices. Deciding on what wheelset im gonna go with and fork. I might get hope hubs laced with i35 rims. I have a set of i9s but had bearing issues due to recall. Also looking at a pike boost. Thinking 140mm for travel. Hope e4 brakes will round out my build.
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    Hum I will check out the eastons. I see alot of debate on rim width for plus bikes.

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    In my opinion, the size you're interested in (35mm internal width) is spot on for balancing the positives (i.e. Improved tire profile, traction and ride quality) while minimizing the weight penalty.

    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Hum I will check out the eastons. I see alot of debate on rim width for plus bikes.
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    GG any more spy shots of prod frame? I'd like to see what my all stealth large frame looks like

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    Yep, here's a couple recent ride pics:


    This had to be one of the coldest rides I've ever done:
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    Trying out the Goma 29x2.4 in the snow. It works well.
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    Nice

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    Here some video fatbiking in Happy Jack near Laramie, Wy. Nice crash at the end. Not my vid but kinda cool.


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    Anyone have a production Pedalhead to post yet? I need pics!
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    Hey bud, no pics yet. It will be another few weeks or so before I get mine.

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    I'm sure you're beyond excited for it to show up on your doorstep

    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Hey bud, no pics yet. It will be another few weeks or so before I get mine.
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    I'm gonna pick er up in person. I'm only bout 2.5 hrs away from Denver.

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    Like picking up a Ferrari from the factory.

    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    I'm gonna pick er up in person. I'm only bout 2.5 hrs away from Denver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VeloRyan View Post
    Like picking up a Ferrari from the factory.
    \m/

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    Bump. Ha ha.

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    Most of the production tubes have finally arrived. Our tubing supplier was 2 months (and counting) late getting our first production batch to us. Fabrication is in process where available:

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    Nice. What does that machine do? It looks like a expensive drill and jig. Sorry Im not up to snuff on machining stuff.

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    It's a milling machine, with CNC capability. It's used for a ton of things, from machining fixture parts, to mitering Pedälhead tubes, post weld machining, etc. The cuts on the end of the chainstays and seat stays aren't purely circular, so we programmed the cutting path in the CNC and cut them as shown.

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