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    GG 2020 Bike Rumours, Lies and Speculation!

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    So GG had a new 2020 bike on their IG stories with most of the body blanked out and just a caption "Lit! 2020". Assuming it's not just one of their existing models perhaps in one of the sizes [2 or 4] that's not yet released what do you think is coming down the pipe for next year?

    GG sort of hinted at a LT 29er in one of the existing threads in this forum so that could be it. OR maybe that was just artful misdirection to throw us off the scent. The Revved bikes came out of nowhere [for me anyways] so GG can keep a secret!

    What do you think is coming?

    I'll play. I think a LT 29er makes a lot of sense to fill in the GG line up given what bikes are popular at the moment.

    What would you like to see?

    A few things I would be into are:

    - lighter duty carbon layup
    --- provides some flex and less weight for riders not pushing the limits of Revved frame capabilities
    --- might limit rider weight or models to TP/SD or max fork length
    - updated Pedealhead to make it competitive with state of the art hardtail geo
    --- slacker HTA
    --- longer dropper insertion
    --- lower seat tube so riders could choose what Reach they want without being limited by dropper travel too much
    --- adjustable CS for length change and SS
    - some frame colour options aside from black
    - ball caps with curved brim and adjustable snap backs [ie. I'm too old to rock a flat brim bro!]
    - another PNW Meet Up in 2020 [even another BHam Meet Up! or maybe Whistler?]
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    I was going to order a Smash but holding out to see what the future holds.

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    only things I really feel the desire to see on a next version Pedalhead would be increased dropper insertion.

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    Color options for link, like Canfield used to offer
    Shirt colors other than black, seriously, I hate black clothing; don't mind black bikes
    Revised derailleur housing run from BB to chainstay to move it further from the tire
    Angleset option that works with offset headset cups
    Custom links that allow tuning options
    Flip chip or sliding drops to adjust chainstay length
    Ditch the cable cover concept, use recessed area for cable run with three housing retainers instead
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    I want a new DH bike, but that's just me and maybe 5 other people.

    It could be a mullet bike too. A lot of people for some weird reason like them
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    I've heard a rumor about an updated Pedalhead locally...

    I agree that the bike they teased on IG is probably a longer travel 29er.

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    Found the photo on FB.
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    Carbon chainstay option.

    Give us a DH bike for the love of all that is sacred.

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    Add me to the dh list. Obviously not from the picture above. Looks like a pretty short fork. Revved Pedalhead?
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    Looks like a short to moderate travel 29er, steep STA, not a double crown, hard to tell if that's a linkage chainstay; magnified 400% didn't really help.

    So a Revved Pedalhead would make sense.
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    I can sort of see two dark spots on that chainstay when I do the "zoom-and-squint". One would be a dropout, the other looks to be foreward and slightly down from the chainstay, so it's where a pivot would be? maybe?

    it does look like a short fork, but i'm hopeful about a long travel 29er, that would be sweet.

    A singlespeedable pedalhead (not counting magic gears) would be really sick too though...

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    AND, cable routing is in the wrong spot for a pedalhead, so there!

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    It'll never happen, but ditch the adjustable headset.

    Lighter lay-up for the shorter travel bikes.

    Ability to use a longer dropper on the Pedalhead.

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    I don't really want a Revved hardtail since the flex of the GG Pedalhead was one of the things that made it sound like a really nice bike to ride.

    Being able to order Revved headset cups that were in effect anglesets would be very cool. Maybe -0.5 and -1 deg options.
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    I agree, I dont really want a carbon pedalhead, unless it had intentionally flexy seatstays or something like that, I just want sliders!

    Ditto on cable routing and headset cups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by planetx88 View Post
    I agree, I dont really want a carbon pedalhead, unless it had intentionally flexy seatstays or something like that, I just want sliders!

    Ditto on cable routing and headset cups.
    Sliders would be great. AFAIK the current steel PH can accept a Works Component geo adjust headset which is sweet.

    The current Revved carbon layup seems pretty stiff. That works on a FS bike, but not so much on a hardtail. It just seems kind weird to switch materials from steel that has a nice flex characteristics to carbon which is quite stiff to then try and design flex back into the carbon frame instead of just sticking to steel.
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    How about a carbon pedalhead that a flex chainstay/seatstay set up, now that would be cool and I'm sure they have the engineering know how to make it happen.

    As much as liked my Pedalhead, I'm just too old and sore to ride around on a hardtail, btu make that backend flex ~50mm and that'd be pretty cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    So a Revved Pedalhead would make sense.

    i recall they had to get a larger CNC machine to make the size 4 front triangle tooling. maybe they planned ahead and got one large enough to make pedalhead tooling too.

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    Size 5 and alu options plz!

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    An E-bike.



    Well, you did include lies in the title!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    An E-bike.



    Well, you did include lies in the title!
    They could call it the Anti-Gravity.
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    My wife has an ebike, GG doesn't need to make one, there are enough of them already
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirsam84 View Post
    Size 5 and alu options plz!
    I second a size 5 in Rev, also a 160ish version of the Smash would be great!

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    I generally keep my hardtail set up single speed and gear it for bike packing trips. I'd buy a pedal head if it had sliders or PF for eccentric BB and a larger front triangle for a frame bag.

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    I am hoping for a 180mm Front 170mm Rear 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    An E-bike.



    Well, you did include lies in the title!
    The TT decal will say I Like Going Faster

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2zmtnz View Post
    I am hoping for a 180mm Front 170mm Rear 29er.
    This would be so cutting edge! I donít think I could even use one... but Iíd want one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    only things I really feel the desire to see on a next version Pedalhead would be increased dropper insertion.
    1. Max dropper insertion.
    2. 27.5 frame with max clearance of 2.8.

    I'm actually looking to sell my frame (S1) that I bought in June if anyone is interested, IM me. =) Thanks.

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    1. Chainstay options.

    Iíd like the option of longer chainstays on any given frame. Think like Nicolai lengths.

    2. 27.5 aggressive hardtail.

    2.8 size preferred, 2.6 minimum clearance. Something like what chromag makes, bird, or the plethoras of UK builders make.
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    maybe its the angle of the bike - but that rear wheel looks smaller than front... official mullet bike with its own seatstay kit?

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    Too gimmicky, GG wonít waste their time on that, itís easy enough to do with their current kit.

    Iíd love to see a long travel 29er, donít want one, but I think itíd be popular, potential enduro race bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by kamper11 View Post
    maybe its the angle of the bike - but that rear wheel looks smaller than front... official mullet bike with its own seatstay kit?
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    Don't disagree - could be a stock photo or a troll photo - get lots of speculation, interest and chatter and in reality what's undercover isn't even the bike (or bikes) they will launch... Like everyone here - keen to see what's next

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    Official mulley bikes like the Megasmash and Trail Dogg?

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    It costs a lot of money to create new molds to create a new model. If they change anything and come out with a new model I guess it will be a shock/chainstay changes. Whatever they got cooking however......better not be more awesome than the Shred Dogg I just bought!!!!

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    160mm travel rear ends compatible with the OG Smash???????

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    Some things to note about the IG photoshoot image:

    The frame color is not hidden - you can see it on the head tube. Still black.

    The decals are still visible too on the rear end of the bike, still silver.

    The fork doesn't look especially long. The longest fork MRP makes in 29" format is 160mm.

    The chainstays don't look hidden, either.

    My guess? This is a photoshoot for the MRP Jackson airshock on a Trail Pistol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    Some things to note about the IG photoshoot image:

    The frame color is not hidden - you can see it on the head tube. Still black.

    The decals are still visible too on the rear end of the bike, still silver.

    The fork doesn't look especially long. The longest fork MRP makes in 29" format is 160mm.

    The chainstays don't look hidden, either.

    My guess? This is a photoshoot for the MRP Jackson airshock on a Trail Pistol.
    New build kits make a lot of sense.

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    GG fueling the speculation.


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    "For now" could be 1,2,3 years. If they do get Revved figured out for the swing arms lets hope they keep it under $445 for the seatstay kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluePitch View Post
    "For now" could be 1,2,3 years. If they do get Revved figured out for the swing arms lets hope they keep it under $445 for the seatstay kit.
    Didn't frames go up like $300 when they switched to carbon? If that $300 number is right then it was about a 15% increase and which would make the seat stay kit $500 which isn't horrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    Some things to note about the IG photoshoot image:

    The frame color is not hidden - you can see it on the head tube. Still black.

    The decals are still visible too on the rear end of the bike, still silver.

    The fork doesn't look especially long. The longest fork MRP makes in 29" format is 160mm.

    The chainstays don't look hidden, either.

    My guess? This is a photoshoot for the MRP Jackson airshock on a Trail Pistol.
    some scuttlebutt at MRP has them coming out with a 170mm 29er single crown fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manuni88 View Post
    I'd buy a pedal head if it had sliders or PF for eccentric BB and a larger front triangle for a frame bag.
    SS capability, yes; change the standover, hell no. Thatís a big part of what makes it a fun bike. Myriad other ways to pack extra gear than raising the TT. The PH works great for geared bikepacking as is.

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    Nice to see a design where the seat post isn't close to parallel to a slacked out fork.

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    Somebody in here nailed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guerrilla Gravity View Post
    Somebody in here nailed it.

    It's got to be the E-bike.

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    Missing a wire for the remote for it to be ebike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by She&I View Post
    SS capability, yes; change the standover, hell no. Thatís a big part of what makes it a fun bike. Myriad other ways to pack extra gear than raising the TT. The PH works great for geared bikepacking as is.
    With the exception of overnight bike packing I disagree. I use a Niner ros9 for bikepacking, it has 5 additional inches of stand over. Over the summer I bikepacked the colorado trail and I was able to fit all of my food (breakfast, lunch, dinner, fuel, pot, and snacks) for 4 days inside the frame bag. There is no way in hell you are getting anywhere close to that on a pedalhead.

    I understand that having the top tube and seat stay create a straight line from the headtube creates a stronger frame but it doesn't affect how fun a bike is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guerrilla Gravity View Post
    Somebody in here nailed it.
    It's gotta be the MRP air shock, which is cool, very cool.

    GG just got the Revved frames up and running, Size 4 is still pending, to be fair, they have done enough, it's time to settle and get capacity to match demand.

    The only thing I'd be interested in that isn't a major overhaul or mold would be a custom link that would allow the suspension to be tweaked.

    This ^ would be really interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    It's gotta be the MRP air shock, which is cool, very cool..
    Super cool except I just received my revved bike (picked it up today from UPS on my lunch break) with a DPX2 and I would've loved to be one of the first to own a jackson

    I really hope it isn't an E-bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by manuni88 View Post
    I really hope it isn't an E-bike
    You should notice that I referenced the "lies" in the thread title when I proposed an e-bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    You should notice that I referenced the "lies" in the thread title when I proposed an e-bike.
    My brain says its not likely they would make an ebike a year after switching to carbon, especially since they haven't even released all sizes of the current frame but GG says that somebody has guessed correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manuni88 View Post
    My brain says its not likely they would make an ebike a year after switching to carbon, especially since they haven't even released all sizes of the current frame but GG says that somebody has guessed correct.
    Well, I'd say that the strongest markets now are likely e-bikes and long-travel 29ers. I highly doubt that they'd go for an e-bike because it doesn't really fit their ethos and so that leaves the long-travel 29er.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    Well, I'd say that the strongest markets now are likely e-bikes and long-travel 29ers. I highly doubt that they'd go for an e-bike because it doesn't really fit their ethos and so that leaves the long-travel 29er.
    These are the lines I'm think along. GG used to have a DH bike but got away from that discipline. So in a way, a 180/170mm long travel 29er would be both a nod to GG's roots plus, as I said previously, be cutting edge. 160mm is not such long travel anymore, it's simply the longest we've got. It's time for some innovative domestic bike manufacturer to take the next step.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    These are the lines I'm think along. GG used to have a DH bike but got away from that discipline. So in a way, a 180/170mm long travel 29er would be both a nod to GG's roots plus, as I said previously, be cutting edge. 160mm is not such long travel anymore, it's simply the longest we've got. It's time for some innovative domestic bike manufacturer to take the next step.
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    Its been said in here before and I tend to agree, the picture they have posted with the fire/lit over the center of the bike doesn't look like it has a very long fork. Doesn't mean it isn't a longer travel 29er, could be some misdirection in here as well. The whole start of the thread was Vik posting a picture of GG commenting on his talk about a longer chain stay for more travel.

    I think its also worth noting that they don't actually need new chainstays for more travel. Freedom linkage uses the rear pivot point on the chainstay and axel on the seat stay so in theory they can modify the effective chainstay length and bb drop with just a new seatstay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guerrilla Gravity View Post
    Somebody in here nailed it.
    I still think you will see new build kits for 2020. Adding more MRP product to the build menu seems the likely path. Possible they add the Jackson, but check out MRP's website. Buy a Ribbon get the alloy AMg free.

    It could be the OC Build......ONLY COLORADO build

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluePitch View Post
    I still think you will see new build kits for 2020. Adding more MRP product to the build menu seems the likely path. Possible they add the Jackson, but check out MRP's website. Buy a Ribbon get the alloy AMg free.

    It could be the OC Build......ONLY COLORADO build
    I doubt this is GG's big news for 2020. It's cool and all but it's not spotlight-worthy news, it's business as usual. GG wants the spotlight. They want people talking. Refreshing build kits is... you know, SOP.

    But yeah, you're doubtless correct. We'll see new build kits from GG for 2020.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    I doubt this is GG's big news for 2020. It's cool and all but it's not spotlight-worthy news, it's business as usual. GG wants the spotlight. They want people talking. Refreshing build kits is... you know, SOP.

    But yeah, you're doubtless correct. We'll see new build kits from GG for 2020.
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    I'm not in the bike industry, and don't know much about anything. What I've read on the interweb is apparently it takes a couple years to make back your money for the molds and such for a new model frame. I think we will see GG using the modular frame for at least a couple more years with incremental tweeks. They can probably get a long travel 29er on it. They can probably tweek the geo adjust headset cups for height/reach/angles, maybe some carbon swingarms.......but the Revved platform is the big news! They need a couple of years of success with the Revved Modular and all its flexibility before they drop another industry changer.

    All I'm saying is GG don't make something even more better than Revved!!! Not right away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluePitch View Post
    I'm not in the bike industry, and don't know much about anything. What I've read on the interweb is apparently it takes a couple years to make back your money for the molds and such for a new model frame. I think we will see GG using the modular frame for at least a couple more years with incremental tweeks. They can probably get a long travel 29er on it. They can probably tweek the geo adjust headset cups for height/reach/angles, maybe some carbon swingarms.......but the Revved platform is the big news! They need a couple of years of success with the Revved Modular and all its flexibility before they drop another industry changer.

    All I'm saying is GG don't make something even more better than Revved!!! Not right away!

    I think most people in here that are speculating about a Long Travel 29'er are thinking it would be done via a new rear linkage or seat-stay. I would be shocked to see any modification or change to the front triangle at this point as there doesn't really seem to be any need for it. Also I think they could have multiple things in store for 2020. If the MRP Jackson is ready for release which it certainly looks to be pretty close judging from recent press I am sure they will feature it as an option on builds but I think the LT 29 rear end is pretty likely too. I also think it is a little early to think it is a revved linkage option but I would probably be in for one if it was.

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    I'm pretty sure that era is done, homegrown carbon is where they went, too much energy and effort to go back.

    Metal is nice, but once they get the Framemakers up and running to capacity, that up front cost and effort will pay dividends into the future.

    Welding frames is very time intensive and costly if done domestically.
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    Haha, it looks like this is turning into a GG wish thread. I have one of the new TP's and love it and wouldn't change anything about it, functionally speaking. I guess it would be nice for it to be a hair lighter, but the weight doesn't seem to be holding me back overall.

    But, back to wishes: honestly, I think that their graphic design and general branding is pretty corny. "I like going fast" is something that a 12 year old would probably find cool, but is pretty cringey as a full grown man. As are the metal horns and all of the Hot Topic-y punk/metal branding. Even the name "Guerrilla Gravity" is pretty bad IMHO. The bikes are so awesome that I bought one in spite of all of that, but think that they could sell a lot more bikes if their branding, marketing, and graphic design were better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanTemplar View Post
    Haha, it looks like this is turning into a GG wish thread. I have one of the new TP's and love it and wouldn't change anything about it, functionally speaking. I guess it would be nice for it to be a hair lighter, but the weight doesn't seem to be holding me back overall.

    But, back to wishes: honestly, I think that their graphic design and general branding is pretty corny. "I like going fast" is something that a 12 year old would probably find cool, but is pretty cringey as a full grown man. As are the metal horns and all of the Hot Topic-y punk/metal branding. Even the name "Guerrilla Gravity" is pretty bad IMHO. The bikes are so awesome that I bought one in spite of all of that, but think that they could sell a lot more bikes if their branding, marketing, and graphic design were better.
    I hear what your are saying, but honestly, I don't think people really care if the bike performs well. Most bike names are dumb... slayer, optic, smuggler, hightower, bronson, nomad, rollik, enduro, etc..

    The graphics aren't my favorite so I went black.. looks great to me..

    I think their marketing is working, they went from obscurity to front page of pinkbike in 5-6 years? I haven't seen many other small companies that has done what they have in such a big brand driven industry..
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanTemplar View Post
    Haha, it looks like this is turning into a GG wish thread. I have one of the new TP's and love it and wouldn't change anything about it, functionally speaking. I guess it would be nice for it to be a hair lighter, but the weight doesn't seem to be holding me back overall.

    But, back to wishes: honestly, I think that their graphic design and general branding is pretty corny. "I like going fast" is something that a 12 year old would probably find cool, but is pretty cringey as a full grown man. As are the metal horns and all of the Hot Topic-y punk/metal branding. Even the name "Guerrilla Gravity" is pretty bad IMHO. The bikes are so awesome that I bought one in spite of all of that, but think that they could sell a lot more bikes if their branding, marketing, and graphic design were better.
    False (subjectively speaking). I'm 45, a father, husband, and businessman. I'm also a metalhead, and think bikes are fun as shit. Both are a good escape from the doldrums of everyday life. If GG's marketing and overall vibe are low brow, they're low brow in a fun and smart way. I like that their t-shirts are all black and look like my metal band shirts from high school. Bike are fun, and GGs are just a little bit (maybe a lot) funnerer than the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buggravy View Post
    False (subjectively speaking). I'm 45, a father, husband, and businessman. I'm also a metalhead, and think bikes are fun as shit. Both are a good escape from the doldrums of everyday life. If GG's marketing and overall vibe are low brow, they're low brow in a fun and smart way. I like that their t-shirts are all black and look like my metal band shirts from high school. Bike are fun, and GGs are just a little bit (maybe a lot) funnerer than the rest.
    I'm 46, listen to mostly heavy metal, alternative, and sat around for hours listening to the new Tool album while reading reviews about GG bikes and the Revved technology........hopefully they add a Trail Tool....Mega Tool, or something to pay tribute to that band.

    Mega Trail Shred Tool?

    I've owned bikes from the larger brands are they all have been good....but the last bikes I have owned are from companies that focus on Mountain Bikes. Santa Cruz, Transition, and now GG. When you dedicate your efforts to one bike "range" no road bikes, no commuter bikes, no Ebikes I think the product is better. When you add in the people that are designing them, building them, marketing them are all having a good time and letting the creativity flow you get some great bikes.

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    I'm a metalhead too (also in my 40's), but I prefer more neutral marketing than anything that is trying to tie itself to some "xtryme" identity. Not keen on Surly's curmudgeonly "anti-marketing" marketing either. Obviously some might like GG's branding, but I think that there are many more people (like me) choosing the bikes because of the things that set them apart from the competition (USA made carbon, modular, great geometry, custom builds) than because of the marketing. I have no data to back this up, just a hunch I get from conversations I've had with people that don't own a GG. Again, the bikes are great, and I like what GG is doing overall.

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    If GG has done anything right, it is marketing and creating a community around their brand.

    I also like metal. Just saw Slayer on their last tour with Primus, Ministry and Phil Anselmo.

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    Guys, I've been watching Perry Mason reruns which helped me figure it out. I know what's coming from GG in 2020 and I can prove it. (Drumroll...)

    Long travel 29er.

    Yup, gotta be. Here's how I broke GG's code. First they post the "2020 is gonna be lit" thing. Yeah the photo may feature a bike with a short travel fork but this doesn't matter -- that's not the bike anyway. The photo is merely a marketing piece. Marketing runs on a calendar, not a physical production schedule. (Trust me, I spent 30 years in marketing.) The calendar said it's time to tease the public so they took an existing bike, covered 90% of it up and teased, implying they already had something complete.

    They didn't.

    Meanwhile GG's new LT 29er bike's rear end was, indeed, already designed. It existed on paper (okay, on computer) but not in real life. If the bike had existed IRL, then GG would have done a big, splashy release. Right? Get the jump! Sell, sell, sell! But no. Instead they teased again. Proof that the bike was/is not done.

    This second tease was GG's photo of the pre-heat treated swingarm. More proof that the obscured bike under the black umbrella wasn't the real deal -- GG hadn't even built the swingarm at the time that first umbrella photoshoot happened, the actual rear end existed only in computerland. But in GG's second tease photo a shiny new swingarm actually existed IRL -- it had now been welded and was ready to go off for heat treating.

    So what's next on GG's marketing calendar?

    Once the swingarm comes back from the heat treater, boom -- GG will announce via a splashy, sexy photoshoot of complete bike.

    And we'll all be ordering new GG LT 29er bikes. Capisce?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Guys, I've been watching Perry Mason reruns which helped me figure it out. I know what's coming from GG in 2020 and I can prove it. (Drumroll...)

    Long travel 29er.

    Yup, gotta be. Here's how I broke GG's code. First they post the "2020 is gonna be lit" thing. Yeah the photo may feature a bike with a short travel fork but this doesn't matter -- that's not the bike anyway. The photo is merely a marketing piece. Marketing runs on a calendar, not a physical production schedule. (Trust me, I spent 30 years in marketing.) The calendar said it's time to tease the public so they took an existing bike, covered 90% of it up and teased, implying they already had something complete.

    They didn't.


    Meanwhile GG's new LT 29er bike's rear end was, indeed, already designed. It existed on paper (okay, on computer) but not in real life. If the bike had existed IRL, then GG would have done a big, splashy release. Right? Get the jump! Sell, sell, sell! But no. Instead they teased again. Proof that the bike was/is not done.

    This second tease was GG's photo of the pre-heat treated swingarm. More proof that the obscured bike under the black umbrella wasn't the real deal -- GG hadn't even built the swingarm at the time that first umbrella photoshoot happened, the actual rear end existed only in computerland. But in GG's second tease photo a shiny new swingarm actually existed IRL -- it had now been welded and was ready to go off for heat treating.

    So what's next on GG's marketing calendar?

    Once the swingarm comes back from the heat treater, boom -- GG will announce via a splashy, sexy photoshoot of complete bike.

    And we'll all be ordering new GG LT 29er bikes. Capisce?
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    I'm calling Revv(ised) Pedalhead. Or maybe that will be bike announcement #2 for 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billybobzia View Post
    I hear what your are saying, but honestly, I don't think people really care if the bike performs well. Most bike names are dumb... slayer, optic, smuggler, hightower, bronson, nomad, rollik, enduro, etc..

    The graphics aren't my favorite so I went black.. looks great to me..

    I think their marketing is working, they went from obscurity to front page of pinkbike in 5-6 years? I haven't seen many other small companies that has done what they have in such a big brand driven industry..
    The Slayer came out 20 years ago when most of the posters here were still shitting in their pants and bland companies like Trek and Specialized had models named 8000 and FXR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stripes View Post
    I want a new DH bike, but that's just me and maybe 5 other people.

    It could be a mullet bike too. A lot of people for some weird reason like them
    A DH bike would be sick, especially with a pro rider riding it in the UCI DH

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanTemplar View Post
    But, back to wishes: honestly, I think that their graphic design and general branding is pretty corny. "I like going fast" is something that a 12 year old would probably find cool, but is pretty cringey as a full grown man. As are the metal horns and all of the Hot Topic-y punk/metal branding. Even the name "Guerrilla Gravity" is pretty bad IMHO. The bikes are so awesome that I bought one in spite of all of that, but think that they could sell a lot more bikes if their branding, marketing, and graphic design were better.
    I agree with this, though I consider it only a minor turn-off for me. As another example, I just won't buy a bike that has "EVIL" boldly plastered on the frame. Not judging those who like 'em, but not for me - regardless HOW good the bikes might be.

    Hard to say if those things are net negatives or positives for sales, though. There are probably some people who buy a bike BECAUSE it says "EVIL". Same for GG with their metalhead-themed branding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Attacking Mid View Post
    I agree with this, though I consider it only a minor turn-off for me. As another example, I just won't buy a bike that has "EVIL" boldly plastered on the frame. Not judging those who like 'em, but not for me - regardless HOW good the bikes might be.

    Hard to say if those things are net negatives or positives for sales, though. There are probably some people who buy a bike BECAUSE it says "EVIL". Same for GG with their metalhead-themed branding.

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    I like the GG and EVIL branding. I like companies with a sense of humour. I bought a Smash for the bike not the branding though and I have considered EVIL bikes, but the bikes never made it to the top of my list when buying something new.

    I don't care what some random person I meet on the trail thinks about the brand of bike I ride and my friends know me well so having a devil horns head badge is irrelevant in their opinion of me.

    GG seems to be selling bikes as fast as they can make them so at the very least their branding is not causing any issues.

    With a black on black colourway it would be pretty easy to debrand a GG bike if you wanted to fly under the radar.
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    Apparently some of you have never looked at Cove?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    Apparently some of you have never looked at Cove?
    What motivates you to say this, OHM?
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    P.S. I hadn't. So I googled Cove and found that I don't even know what wheel size Cove frames employ because this info is not included in their frame descriptions. I hate when that happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    The Slayer came out 20 years ago when most of the posters here were still shitting in their pants and bland companies like Trek and Specialized had models named 8000 and FXR.
    Hmmm, maybe that's a big assumption, I get the sense that GG rides are older.

    I'm willing to bet that I'm one of the older GG riders .... I wanted the first moon landing.

    I think GG does well because their bikes ride good, they have responsive and friendly staff, and they make their frames in house. The ala carte build options are a popular concept as well.

    I was riding an aluminum xmed Smash and I was happy, then the Revved frames were announced and I was sold on the geo adjust headset and homegrown carbon.

    They have the same sort of feel as Vorsprung, ie in touch with their peeps.
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    Cove...My goodness, I almost forgot about that. Cove, Ventana, and Foes, still making bikes, wow. I'm pretty sure Ventana still buys the same top tubes from Fairing Industrial that have been sitting on a warehouse rack for a decade.

    Remember when "the shocker" was a cool thing teenagers that were too cool for the horns would flash at each other? 2001 was a strange year for teenage boys.
    The best thing evil has ever made is still the Imperial. Stair gaps, Marzocchi Shiver, 3" gazzas, components of a great weekend for a 17 year old. I never had one, but there were always at least two on the "scene."

    Hey GG, can I put a dual crown fork on the pedalhead? How will it ride with a 24" rear wheel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    What motivates you to say this, OHM?
    =sParty

    P.S. I hadn't. So I googled Cove and found that I don't even know what wheel size Cove frames employ because this info is not included in their frame descriptions. I hate when that happens.
    The discussion had drifted to company and model names, it got me thinking of Cove. Probably the worst model names, unless you're a teenage boy.

    And I'm with you. It drives me nuts when wheel size and suspension travel are not listed openly on a bike companies website. I usually don't bother if I'm required to read through marketing dribble to find the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    I usually don't bother if I'm required to read through marketing dribble to find the info.
    Many if not most people won't. I'm one that won't for sure. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I spent 30 years in marketing. First thing I learned was this: if you're a company that wants people to want to do business with you, don't talk in your language, talk in theirs. Answer your prospective customer's questions quickly & simply before they're even asked. Think about your product from the prospective customer's perspective; anticipate & consider what they want waaay in advance. Serve your prospective customer, don't make your prospective customer serve you. They won't. This includes every form of image & communication -- website, media, advertising, correspondence, everything -- right down to how clean your windows are, how you keep your parking lot and the sign on your front door.

    I've even walked up to a business's door and pulled on it only to find it locked... with no business hours listed thereon... SMH. We only get one chance to make a first impression.
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    I also like metal. Just saw Slayer on their last tour with Primus, Ministry and Phil Anselmo.
    Sweet!

    I just saw Iron Maiden back in September. That was a great show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    The Slayer came out 20 years ago when most of the posters here were still shitting in their pants and bland companies like Trek and Specialized had models named 8000 and FXR.
    I was not shitting my pants 20 years ago, but the day may be coming all too soon to start again. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    I was not shitting my pants 20 years ago, but the day may be coming all too soon to start again. ;-)

    It's funny, we start life crapping ourselves and then finish life crapping ourselves.
    Wait, was I supposed stop shitting myself at some point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Many if not most people won't. I'm one that won't for sure. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I spent 30 years in marketing. First thing I learned was this: if you're a company that wants people to want to do business with you, don't talk in your language, talk in theirs. Answer your prospective customer's questions quickly & simply before they're even asked. Think about your product from the prospective customer's perspective; anticipate & consider what they want waaay in advance. Serve your prospective customer, don't make your prospective customer serve you. They won't. This includes every form of image & communication -- website, media, advertising, correspondence, everything -- right down to how clean your windows are, how you keep your parking lot and the sign on your front door.

    I've even walked up to a business's door and pulled on it only to find it locked... with no business hours listed thereon... SMH. We only get one chance to make a first impression.
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    Definitely!!!

    Just my opinion, the GG web site is done well. If I had to gripe...It would be nice if the geometry was all on one page rather than entering my height and riding style to get the size and geometry GG feels works best for me. If a geo chart with all sizes on one page is there, I can't find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    Sweet!

    I just saw Iron Maiden back in September. That was a great show.
    I wanted to go to the Iron Maiden show when they passed through Portland recently, but waited to long and lost out on the good seats. Plus it was in the Rose Garden, which sucks for sound. Hopefully they tour again soon, I've never seen them.

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    How about a new/updated steel Pedalhead with sliders, call it the Iron Fist. Keep the Pedalhead name on a new Revved Pedalhead with standard dropouts.

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    I love the logo. Second only to Canfield's. If they ever do a ladies bike it should have the other fingers out so it would be a rock lock with both bikes nest to each other!

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    Confirmed new bike!

    The new bike you see in the photo is called the Blastodon! 26" wheels aren't dead yet!

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    Improve or remove the housing cover and allow the dropper housing to be routed to the right side of the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluePitch View Post
    The new bike you see in the photo is called the Blastodon! 26" wheels aren't dead yet!

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    Uh huh, I ainít that gullible.

    Not to mention, 26Ē is so dead itíd be hard to find good tires for such a bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BluePitch View Post
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    Yea this is 100% misdirection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manuni88 View Post
    Yea this is 100% misdirection.
    Looks a little lit, beer thirty?
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    Plus, if you're going to name a bike after Mastodon, it just can't be 26" wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manuni88 View Post
    Yea this is 100% misdirection.
    GG is obviously having fun on this. This was meant for this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    Plus, if you're going to name a bike after Mastodon, it just can't be 26" wheels.
    It's not a Mastodon, it's a Blastodon, weigh different specs, won is made for sailing ships and the other is made for blowing shite up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    It's not a Mastodon, it's a Blastodon, weigh different specs, won is made for sailing ships and the other is made for blowing shite up!
    Mastodon is an kick butt metal band. GG has a history of naming bikes after metal bands. I'm assuming Blastodon is in reference to the band.

    I saw Mastodon open for Primus a couple summers ago, kick ass show.

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    Mastodon is a Manitou long travel fat bike fork ...
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    I was at the GG HQ yesterday and threw a leg over some bikes. I may have caught a sneak peek at what's coming and I gotta say - that personal jet pack device they were testing was pretty rad but it did have 26" wheels which was kind of a let down! (oh crap - they swore me to secrecy on their Blast-off-odon! - Sorry!)

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    I was at the GG HQ yesterday and threw a leg over some bikes. I may have caught a sneak peek at what's coming and I gotta say - that personal jet pack device they were testing was pretty rad but it did have 26" wheels which was kind of a let down! (oh crap - they swore me to secrecy on their Blast-off-odon! - Sorry!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    Mastodon is an kick butt metal band. GG has a history of naming bikes after metal bands. I'm assuming Blastodon is in reference to the band.

    I saw Mastodon open for Primus a couple summers ago, kick ass show.
    Primus sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Mastodon is a Manitou long travel day bike fork ...
    Actually its a fat bike fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manuni88 View Post
    Actually its a fat bike fork.
    No way, I've only had like four of them....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    No way, I've only had like four of them....
    it can hard to detect sarcasm on the interwebs....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    Primus sucks.
    Primus sucks!!! But they're one of my favorites.

    I tried to get Oysterhead tickets for a couple shows in the Bay Area, but no luck. Hopefully they do a few more shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Mastodon is a Manitou long travel fat bike fork ...
    Maybe the Blastodon will be a fat bike, hence the 26" wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    Primus sucks!!! But they're one of my favorites.

    I tried to get Oysterhead tickets for a couple shows in the Bay Area, but no luck. Hopefully they do a few more shows.
    Oh I love Primus. I had to jump on the running joke there.

    I've never heard of Oysterhead. Checking them out now.
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    That would be interesting, something in between a Mutz and a Fatillac ... but Iím not feeling it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    Oh I love Primus. I had to jump on the running joke there.

    I've never heard of Oysterhead. Checking them out now.
    Pseudo Suicide is one of those songs I can listen to over and over.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    That would be interesting, something in between a Mutz and a Fatillac ... but Iím not feeling it.
    Yeah, I really doubt it's a fat bike.

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    C'mon GG, throw us a frickin' bone here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notsendy View Post
    C'mon GG, throw us a frickin' bone here.
    Bone? Hmm maybe itís a GWAR themed fatbike

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    Quote Originally Posted by rossp View Post
    Bone? Hmm maybe itís a GWAR themed fatbike
    The tshirt alone would sell a few bikes! Iíve been hoping for a nod to Gojira since their bass player is a MTB nut.

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    How long has this been on GG's site?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    How long has this been on GG's site?
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    Thatís from the secret menu. Not new, but maybe since the Revved was launched.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BluePitch View Post
    Thatís from the secret menu. Not new, but maybe since the Revved was launched.


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    Ah, gotcha & thanks. I really should stop in at GG's website more often than I do, regardless of the fact that, being an already contented GG rider, I'm not looking for a new bike. Guess the fact that I steer clear is a reflection of my respect for the insidious power of N+1.
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    Itís going to be a LT29. Pretty simple to make. New seat stay kit with ~440mm chainstays. 170mm fork. Use the 230x65 shock that specíd on the Megatrail and boom you got your self a LT29. The issue right now is the 29Ē wheel hits the seat tube if you try to stuff a 230x65mm on a Smash. Longer chainstays will solve that.

    Personally Iím guessing 165mm-170mm rear with the ability to run a 180mm fork. Maybe even a dual crown for the DH crowd.

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    Build kits on the bikes have changed slightly on the GG website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluePitch View Post
    Build kits on the bikes have changed slightly on the GG website.
    I find it odd they switched to stans for their default wheels, I thought they weren't making micro spline bodys yet. I totally would've sprung for the topaz over the DPX2 but o'well, both are capable shocks. Maybe I'll just sell the DPX2 when its time for full rebuild.

    Also, this is totally the news, somebody said new build kits early on about the new MRP shock and after that GG commented said somebody nailed it. I guess there could be more the the stars align.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bedell99 View Post
    Itís going to be a LT29. Pretty simple to make. New seat stay kit with ~440mm chainstays. 170mm fork. Use the 230x65 shock that specíd on the Megatrail and boom you got your self a LT29. The issue right now is the 29Ē wheel hits the seat tube if you try to stuff a 230x65mm on a Smash. Longer chainstays will solve that.

    Personally Iím guessing 165mm-170mm rear with the ability to run a 180mm fork. Maybe even a dual crown for the DH crowd.

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    Looks like nontrivial price increase as well. I've been looking at the Pedalhead, and when I click on the actual build page the price for the Ride 1 went from $3395 to $3595, but that's now with the Stan's wheels. I had one saved in my cart that came to $3,420, and now comes $3,890 for the same build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buggravy View Post
    Looks like nontrivial price increase as well. I've been looking at the Pedalhead, and when I click on the actual build page the price for the Ride 1 went from $3395 to $3595, but that's now with the Stan's wheels. I had one saved in my cart that came to $3,420, and now comes $3,890 for the same build.
    Wow! If I equip my Shred Dogg with the same components that I have now it's $365 more expensive!!!!

    Glad I bought when I did. The only difference in the builds would be Rockshox Deluxe instead of the Fox DPX2 Performance.....interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluePitch View Post
    Wow! If I equip my Shred Dogg with the same components that I have now it's $365 more expensive!!!!

    Glad I bought when I did. The only difference in the builds would be Rockshox Deluxe instead of the Fox DPX2 Performance.....interesting.
    Yeah, 10ish% is pretty noteworthy, though I suppose the argument can be easily made that GG bikes have been under priced for what you get.

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    Every time I've talked to anyone at GG HQ keeping bikes affordable has been on their minds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buggravy View Post
    Looks like nontrivial price increase as well. I've been looking at the Pedalhead, and when I click on the actual build page the price for the Ride 1 went from $3395 to $3595, but that's now with the Stan's wheels. I had one saved in my cart that came to $3,420, and now comes $3,890 for the same build.
    It appears that it is more adjusting the price of components as the frame is the same price for now. I know the difference of prices to change XT drivetrain and brakes has gone up in price. The Ride 1 builds went up in price but start you with better suspension so its not a total loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manuni88 View Post
    It appears that it is more adjusting the price of components as the frame is the same price for now. I know the difference of prices to change XT drivetrain and brakes has gone up in price. The Ride 1 builds went up in price but start you with better suspension so its not a total loss.
    I'm only comparing the Pedalhead, simply because that's the one I had a reference point on. You're correct that the Ride 1 comes spec'd with the Pike Ultimate, whereas the one I had built had the Pike RC, though I think upgrading to the ultimate was only like a $100 upcharge at that time, whereas my total build went up close to $500. You may be right that it's a function of suppliers increasing their prices. And I should re-emphasize, I'm not crying foul on any of this. Just noticing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manuni88 View Post
    It appears that it is more adjusting the price of components as the frame is the same price for now. I know the difference of prices to change XT drivetrain and brakes has gone up in price. The Ride 1 builds went up in price but start you with better suspension so its not a total loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Every time I've talked to anyone at GG HQ keeping bikes affordable has been on their minds.
    Quote Originally Posted by manuni88 View Post
    It appears that it is more adjusting the price of components as the frame is the same price for now. I know the difference of prices to change XT drivetrain and brakes has gone up in price. The Ride 1 builds went up in price but start you with better suspension so its not a total loss.
    I agree with both of these statements.

    What we really need is economies of scale, which will come when GG gets more customers!!! Really hoping that as the popularity grows......cost will go down/stay the same/not go up too much.

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    Smash is going to go down to a 150mm fork with 145mm rear to make way for the new LT29er. This is definitely happening. This also makes sense in the line up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bedell99 View Post
    Smash is going to go down to a 150mm fork with 145mm rear to make way for the new LT29er. This is definitely happening. This also makes sense in the line up.

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    2020 Smash is listed with 150mm fork on the website.......2019 was spec'd with 160mm.

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    This is perfect marketing by GG. A lot of Smash owners including myself are going to dish out money for the LT seat stays and a new coil shock. GG if you are listening please give a loyalty discount on combo new seatstay/shock combo for the LT29.

    I have Aluminum TP that I ride more than the Rev Smash and would love an even more capable GG Smash for the big days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manuni88 View Post
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    Front forks and rear shocks, too.

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    Ummm, Eric, maybe cut back in the coffee, you seem kinda wound up 🙄

    Iím sure theyíll do what they do, when they have time to do it, and our input wonít amount to a hill of lentils. Itís fun to guess, but donít be too disappointed if you donít get what you want.

    No need for discounts, the extra chainstay market is pretty small.

    They do give discounts to folks who refer buyers ...
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    When will pinkbike let us know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sikocycles View Post
    When will pinkbike let us know?
    Why Pinkbike?

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    I'm going to try and get the first Smash LT pre-order. MRP Bartlett on the front and Hazard on the rear. Should be sweet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I'm going to try and get the first Smash LT pre-order. MRP Bartlett on the front and Hazard on the rear. Should be sweet.
    Has the LT been confirmed?

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    As I look back on my recent visit - I threw a leg over a size 2 trail pistol and a size 2 Smash that was pulled from the back room. The smash was setup w a 170 fork. MAYBE - I was on the LT iteration and didn't even know it?? I mean - a 5mm longer stroke shock wouldn't have been noticeable without a close inspection and same w an altered seat stay ... it did feel squishy! All speculation on my part... but ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by buggravy View Post
    I'm only comparing the Pedalhead, simply because that's the one I had a reference point on. You're correct that the Ride 1 comes spec'd with the Pike Ultimate, whereas the one I had built had the Pike RC, though I think upgrading to the ultimate was only like a $100 upcharge at that time, whereas my total build went up close to $500. You may be right that it's a function of suppliers increasing their prices. And I should re-emphasize, I'm not crying foul on any of this. Just noticing.
    Looking again, I failed to notice that the Ride 1 build is now spec'd with Descendant Carbon cranks, whereas it was previously spec'd with RF Turbines, so that's another upgrade as well. Carry on.

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    With the recent drop in price of 11.6, I went ahead and grab a 230x65 for Megatrail. Now I'm hoping that they actually have a LT 29er with 230x65 shock.

    I never ridden a 29er before but I'm excited to try one.

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    I really think there's a possibility of a new mountain board...due to radness, and the ability to do sweet sweet grabs!
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    Why two wheels? Because they rarely stayed on four wheels ...

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    Now having enough rides on the bike and getting the fit dialed, I shortened all the cables. With that said, the bike is built really, really well. only caveat and what leads me to this thread is the cable cover is ridiculous. So, to reiterate my previous comment above, it would be an improvement if they were to come up with aftermarket clips or something similar for current models and improved cable routing for 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schril View Post
    Now having enough rides on the bike and getting the fit dialed, I shortened all the cables. With that said, the bike is built really, really well. only caveat and what leads me to this thread is the cable cover is ridiculous. So, to reiterate my previous comment above, it would be an improvement if they were to come up with aftermarket clips or something similar for current models and improved cable routing for 2020.
    It took me several attempts at getting the cables in there and having the cover flush the whole length. My only complaint with this system is I donít like to clamp the seat post of a dropper, so I loosen the dropper to clamp the lower body rather than the upper tube. Every time I do this I have to loosen the cable cover so the Dropper cable has enough free play to do so. Small complaint but in Revved V2 maybe make cut out larger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluePitch View Post
    It took me several attempts at getting the cables in there and having the cover flush the whole length. My only complaint with this system is I donít like to clamp the seat post of a dropper, so I loosen the dropper to clamp the lower body rather than the upper tube. Every time I do this I have to loosen the cable cover so the Dropper cable has enough free play to do so. Small complaint but in Revved V2 maybe make cut out larger?
    Iíd like to see a better way to fit a water bottle on a size 2 frame with a piggyback shock, but other than that, Iím pretty happy with my ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schril View Post
    Now having enough rides on the bike and getting the fit dialed, I shortened all the cables. With that said, the bike is built really, really well. only caveat and what leads me to this thread is the cable cover is ridiculous. So, to reiterate my previous comment above, it would be an improvement if they were to come up with aftermarket clips or something similar for current models and improved cable routing for 2020.
    I don't get your complaint to be honest.. have you ever tried running internal housing when it needs to be changed, such a PITA.. I like this solution better.. can be a pain, kind of like trying to squeeze all the wires in an electrical outlet with 3 switches but way better than internal for me..
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    No real weight savings and aluminum stays make me lukewarm on the carbon frames.
    Lighter layup carbon XC bike would be nice.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I'm pretty sure that era is done, homegrown carbon is where they went, too much energy and effort to go back.

    Metal is nice, but once they get the Framemakers up and running to capacity, that up front cost and effort will pay dividends into the future.

    Welding frames is very time intensive and costly if done domestically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowrider View Post
    No real weight savings and aluminum stays make me lukewarm on the carbon frames.
    Lighter layup carbon XC bike would be nice.
    XC carbon from GG? Not likely, they build bikes to be ridden fast and hard, a lighter layup would be counter productive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowrider View Post
    No real weight savings and aluminum stays make me lukewarm on the carbon frames.
    Lighter layup carbon XC bike would be nice.
    Almost every carbon bike I have seen break in person was on the stays.. Wouldn't even consider a bike with carbon stays anymore..

    These are not meant to be light XC bikes.. and that is a good thing
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    Ran internal housing on a Revel Rascal last week and it was insanely easy. they utilize carbon guide tubes that make it a breeze. It is the best system I have personally seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mixmastamikal View Post
    Ran internal housing on a Revel Rascal last week and it was insanely easy. they utilize carbon guide tubes that make it a breeze. It is the best system I have personally seen.
    I have had mixed results on internal routing.

    The first two bikes that had internal routing where carbon, relatively easy to do although they did not have guide tubes.

    The next that utilized internal was an alloy model......cables rattled around so bad I stuffed a cut up nerf ball in the frame to isolate the noise. Fairly easy though to get through the frame.

    Next bike was alloy again, (from the same manufacturer as my previous alloy) and it used soft pipe insulation/cable wraps to quite the noise....I like to think they read the forums about how noisy the rattling was with the internal rattling and came up with the solution in response from all the people complaining.

    Next bike was carbon and it had carbon tubes to guide the cables through.....very straightforward.

    I certainly don't think that the trap door is the best, or the worst. I've upgraded brakes on previous bikes that required cutting and bleeding because of the internal routing. The cable cover is a great idea IMO...just needs a little refining. Slightly deeper of wider to allow the cables a little room....not enough that they rattle around, but they are in there pretty tight.

    I imagine the additional labor/cost of adding internal tubes for the internal routing would start pushing the price of the frames past the current offering.

    The modular frame concept is a tinkerers dream,and what they have come up with on this frame is pretty cool. Give them some time to refine it and people will be like......how come they don't do it like GG!

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    Quote Originally Posted by billybobzia View Post
    I don't get your complaint to be honest.. have you ever tried running internal housing when it needs to be changed, such a PITA.. I like this solution better.. can be a pain, kind of like trying to squeeze all the wires in an electrical outlet with 3 switches but way better than internal for me..
    Having been a mechanic for 5 years, I can say that internal cable routing in general is a joke. Some companies have improved their methods, however, most have not. As for this cover, it is easy access and for service, but it is not well thought out. You can actually over tighten the cover which can impede operation of the rear deraiilluer. Silly.
    How about a cover with dedicated clips for each respective cable? If they don't change no worries. The bike is awesome and feel fortunate to own one.

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    New bike announcement on Tuesday?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by yzedf View Post
    New bike announcement on Tuesday?!
    Care to elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzedf View Post
    New bike announcement on Tuesday?!
    Last Tuesday? Next Tuesday? Tuesday in July? What new bike announcement? This unhelpful post vaguely implies yzedf knows something as it raises questions, answering none.
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    I say ditch the cover and/or use clips to secure housing. Iíve had issues with cable binding from cover pressure; and I didnít have the cover too tight.

    You can buy the clips, double and triple, then toss the cover in the tool box or install it over the clips.

    I hate internal routing, itís all about aesthetics, only leads to headaches ... a solution in search of a problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Schril View Post
    Having been a mechanic for 5 years, I can say that internal cable routing in general is a joke. Some companies have improved their methods, however, most have not. As for this cover, it is easy access and for service, but it is not well thought out. You can actually over tighten the cover which can impede operation of the rear deraiilluer. Silly.
    How about a cover with dedicated clips for each respective cable? If they don't change no worries. The bike is awesome and feel fortunate to own one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I hate internal routing, itís all about aesthetics, only leads to headaches ... a solution in search of a problem.
    I so agree. Reminds me of '70s cars with those miserable roll-over headlights. All fashion, zero function plus more than likely a future problem just waiting to manifest itself. I never owned one of those cars nor do I intend to own any bikes with internal cable routing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I say ditch the cover and/or use clips to secure housing. Iíve had issues with cable binding from cover pressure; and I didnít have the cover too tight.

    You can buy the clips, double and triple, then toss the cover in the tool box or install it over the clips.

    I hate internal routing, itís all about aesthetics, only leads to headaches ... a solution in search of a problem.
    In the process of designing and 3D printing something like this right now. I would be interested in design thoughts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Schril View Post
    I did a google search to find these and most of the stuff was out of Europe? Doesn't seem like a bad idea to make some like this, however, only need triple cables, not four.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluePitch View Post
    I did a google search to find these and most of the stuff was out of Europe? Doesn't seem like a bad idea to make some like this, however, only need triple cables, not four.
    Paragon Machine works out of Cali. They have all sorts of options.

    https://www.paragonmachineworks.com/...ps-guides.html
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    Hopefully the bike industry will move through this latest era of internal routing soon and go back to external setups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Paragon Machine works out of Cali. They have all sorts of options.

    https://www.paragonmachineworks.com/...ps-guides.html
    I checked with them first. They have the exact one for two shift cables and a single brake housing. only issue is its curved/shaped for an ovaiized tube. I have reached out to see if they can make it flat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Hopefully the bike industry will move through this latest era of internal routing soon and go back to external setups.
    I still like GG's take on it. Just make it a little bigger cut out for those who want internal routing, and include/make available/option in the build menu for using these little clips. Then you could have external/recessed routing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schril View Post
    I checked with them first. They have the exact one for two shift cables and a single brake housing. only issue is its curved/shaped for an ovaiized tube. I have reached out to see if they can make it flat.

    Knolly sells flat mount cable guides if that's what you are after. They mount to a square DT on Knolly's metal frames.

    1 cable - https://shop.knollybikes.com/collect...-guide-bolt-on
    2 cable - https://shop.knollybikes.com/collect...e-line-bolt-on
    3 cable - https://shop.knollybikes.com/collect...e-line-bolt-on

    If something is listed as out of stock I would call/email them as I ran into that and they actually did have stock of the part I wanted. The webstore was not up to date.
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    Ive actually bought some of the PMW guides
    https://www.paragonmachineworks.com/...ble-clamp.html, very similar to pictured above, with two derailleur and one brake cable slots...It wasn't even close to working.

    They would need to find someone to machine the clamps specifically for the channel. Even upside down, this PMW guide was too long, it didn't fit into the bottom of the channel. So to get it to fit three cables and somehow bolt down, some clever spacing would have to happen.

    One other thing I am imagining is not creating such specific mechined pockets for the cables, and using a strong but flexible little piece of plastic, maybe with some soft foam to clamp cables into the channel. Probably also some foam strategically placed in the channel itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by planetx88 View Post

    They would need to find someone to machine the clamps specifically for the channel. Even upside down, this PMW guide was too long, it didn't fit into the bottom of the channel. So to get it to fit three cables and somehow bolt down, some clever spacing would have to happen.
    I could see where this would be an issue. Is it just my frame or others the same. The channel screw holes aren't lined up? The front and back holes are not lined up with the middle. To run my cables I have to go two cables below the screw, then two cables above, then two below. It would be so much easier if the screw holes where in a straight line.

    Maybe this is done as a sort of tension thing?


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    I happen to be a fan of partial internal routing, and I do like GG's approach.

    I do not like the back brake fully internally routed. So the channel approach works on that level. I do like the dropper, and derailleur internal. Replacing a cable on a derailleur or cable dropper is no problem, but to have to bleed a brake to change it out kind of sucks.

    Side cover is not a bad approach, just needs a little tweaking.

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    New GT bikes nailed it i think. Nice and clean, easy access, no need to keep spare hose barbs and olives, and have to waste cables, etc. A few cable clamps and your bottle cage have to come off, but thats it.

    Also, LOOK HOW WIDE IT IS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by planetx88 View Post
    New GT bikes nailed it i think. Nice and clean, easy access, no need to keep spare hose barbs and olives, and have to waste cables, etc. A few cable clamps and your bottle cage have to come off, but thats it.

    Also, LOOK HOW WIDE IT IS!
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    This is what I was referring to in an earlier post. Just need a few correctly fitting clamps for the GG channel and you would have this. External recessed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluePitch View Post
    I could see where this would be an issue. Is it just my frame or others the same. The channel screw holes aren't lined up? The front and back holes are not lined up with the middle. To run my cables I have to go two cables below the screw, then two cables above, then two below. It would be so much easier if the screw holes where in a straight line.

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    I happen to be a fan of partial internal routing, and I do like GG's approach.

    I do not like the back brake fully internally routed. So the channel approach works on that level. I do like the dropper, and derailleur internal. Replacing a cable on a derailleur or cable dropper is no problem, but to have to bleed a brake to change it out kind of sucks.

    Side cover is not a bad approach, just needs a little tweaking.
    Yes, my frame and Iím sure all frames have the offset holes. This would require three different shaped clamps. Also the bottom clamp is in a curve and the top clamp would leave the cables exiting the frame channel at an odd place lower than designed. Still worth working on, but Iím not sure any of the available clamps on the market today will be anywhere close.

    As a side note after working on this for a few hours last night I feel Iím now an expert at putting the cover on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abunchahicks View Post

    As a side note after working on this for a few hours last night I feel Iím now an expert at putting the cover on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BluePitch View Post
    This is what I was referring to in an earlier post. Just need a few correctly fitting clamps for the GG channel and you would have this. External recessed.

    Exactly. Sadly no existing clamps that work currently that I've seen, but I'm hopeful. Still working on my own flexi-clamp, the details are top secret because they don't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzedf View Post
    New bike announcement on Tuesday?!
    Itís Tuesday!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluePitch View Post
    Itís Tuesday!!!!!!
    I just got an email from GG with 2020 build kit specs. No new bikes. Smash LT is still only on the super secret menu for pre-order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I just got an email from GG with 2020 build kit specs. No new bikes. Smash LT is still only on the super secret menu for pre-order.
    Is the super secret menu different than the secret menu? I only see 7 bikes in the secret menu. Five different Pistola kits, Trail Dogg, Mega Smash?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluePitch View Post
    Is the super secret menu different than the secret menu? I only see 7 bikes in the secret menu. Five different Pistola kits, Trail Dogg, Mega Smash?
    Ya. I mean it's at least 66.6% more secret. GG won't release the exact details.
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    Is this new? Trail Pistol Magnum

    The "magnum" version of the Trail Pistol. When you want a little more firepower than the standard issue, but also want the snapiness of the Trail Pistol geometry. Why is it called the "Pistola"? We don't really know, someone just called it that and it stuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I just got an email from GG with 2020 build kit specs. No new bikes. Smash LT is still only on the super secret menu for pre-order.
    Roger that. I got this morning's UnderGGround Dispatch, too. Disappointment reigns*.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Ya. I mean it's at least 66.6% more secret. GG won't release the exact details.
    Iím confused? Are they just putting a seat stay tuning kit to achieve the extra travel? So itís not a new model just a Smash and you ďSecret MenuĒ it to an LT Smash?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluePitch View Post
    Iím confused? Are they just putting a seat stay tuning kit to achieve the extra travel? So itís not a new model just a Smash and you ďSecret MenuĒ it to an LT Smash?
    Your leg is being pulled, BluePitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BluePitch View Post
    Is this new? Trail Pistol Magnum

    The "magnum" version of the Trail Pistol. When you want a little more firepower than the standard issue, but also want the snapiness of the Trail Pistol geometry. Why is it called the "Pistola"? We don't really know, someone just called it that and it stuck.
    No, not new. Pistola has been around since the TP first debuted. In fact that was my first GG bike back in '17.
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    Well, they did change the pics of the bikes on the website! Thatís new!

    And I see a new chainstay protector! Possible new downtube protector?

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    Kind of a let down, but there's one more Dispatch for January on the 28th, correct? May or may not be worth noting that while the Pedalhead is still listed on the site, it's the only one without updated pics, and is absent from the line up in the email.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    No, not new. Pistola has been around since the TP first debuted. In fact that was my first GG bike back in '17.
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    I knew the Pistola was in the secret menu, just didnít remember 5 different choices for it.

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    Dam you spam folder! The GG dispatch is not junk!!!

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    if you look close at the Dispatch they have this little tid bit

    "GGís Modular Frame Platform lets you convert between any of their current and future Revved models with Seatstay Tuning Kits."

    hints that there is indeed a new bike / seat stay kit on the way.

    hopes for a LT smash is still alive

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    that's what stood out for me - AND FUTURE...

    Nice to see the updated build and suspension options and we all know they are working on something behind that wizards curtain!

    The sheer idea that one frame can be so many current iterations for how, where and what a rider rides, and than make it kinda "future proof" for what's to come - really makes the value prop for a GG extremely enticing.

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    I like the new Blue color, and hope that I can get the new frame protection for my recently purchased Smash. Glad I got it before the price increase on the builds.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abunchahicks View Post
    I like the new Blue color, and hope that I can get the new frame protection for my recently purchased Smash. Glad I got it before the price increase on the builds.


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    That blue is sweeeet!

    GG can you send me some metallic blue decals! I realize they get cooked on, however, I have a heat gun that gets hot...will that cure them enough?

    Seriously, would you sell me some blue decals?

    The heat gun thing was just a joke, maybe.

    Need me some blue decals.

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    I didn't see it posted yet, but it seems GG has postponed Size 1 tooling indefinitely due to low projected demand.

    I had a friend that was waiting on Size 1 frames to order a Shred Dogg. She's going to touch base with GG about fitting on a Size 2. I think that will work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Hopefully the bike industry will move through this latest era of internal routing soon and go back to external setups.
    As long as it on top of the downtube. Hated cables on the bottom of the downtube, just help mud and other crap stick to it and harder to keep clean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Your leg is being pulled, BluePitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BluePitch View Post
    GG can you send me some metallic blue decals! I realize they get cooked on, however, I have a heat gun that gets hot...will that cure them enough?
    It might, but it might also localize heat too much and affect the carbon resins. We do not sell decal kits because of this.

    We're glad to shoot over decal design files if you'd like to print your own blue stickers or use someone like Stikrd for replacement blue decals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guerrilla Gravity View Post
    It might, but it might also localize heat too much and affect the carbon resins. We do not sell decal kits because of this.

    We're glad to shoot over decal design files if you'd like to print your own blue stickers or use someone like Stikrd for replacement blue decals.
    What about on the aluminum stays?
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    Is the MegaSmash I true option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guerrilla Gravity View Post
    It might, but it might also localize heat too much and affect the carbon resins. We do not sell decal kits because of this.

    We're glad to shoot over decal design files if you'd like to print your own blue stickers or use someone like Stikrd for replacement blue decals.
    Yes, that would be great. I sent an email to Bobby at [email protected] yesterday. If you can send me that design file to that email address that would be great. I'll see what I can come up with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Five0 View Post
    Is the MegaSmash I true option?
    sure is https://ridegg.com/sixsixsix

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    What about on the aluminum stays?
    There is still no way to apply additional decals after assembly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I didn't see it posted yet, but it seems GG has postponed Size 1 tooling indefinitely due to low projected demand.
    Makes sense for now at least, I wonder what had more interest a size 1 or a size 5? As I am heavily biased towards a size 5. My Al XXL Smash will be ridden for at least 2 more years before I would upgrade so they have time for tooling etc. I just hate the thought of going back to an ill-fitting bike and GG will have to make a revved bike to fit Bobby.

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