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    Had to re-tape my grails yesterday. Pulled the tires off to remove a giant Stan's booger in each one, and the beads ripped up the edges of my tape pretty bad. What a freakin PITA. That center channel makes it real hard to get the tape in there while trying to stretch it. These rims were a nice intro to the wonders of road tubeless, but I'm definitely not going to miss them when they're gone.

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    The moment when you just can't remember why you took the fenders off...
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    At least it was fun.

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    Drove up to the North Cascades Highway on Friday. 41 miles with about 3,800 feet of vert. All paved.









    This was the turn-around point. This is why they close the road.



    Scenery.





    And then the way out.




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    Looks like an amazing ride! Thanks for sharing the pics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    Had to re-tape my grails yesterday. Pulled the tires off to remove a giant Stan's booger in each one, and the beads ripped up the edges of my tape pretty bad. What a freakin PITA. That center channel makes it real hard to get the tape in there while trying to stretch it. These rims were a nice intro to the wonders of road tubeless, but I'm definitely not going to miss them when they're gone.
    The same thing happened to me last week. In between trying to get the Kenda Happy Medium SCT's to seat (horrible experiencie, btw) and my undiscriminated usage of my plastic levers I ended up busting my rim tape. I also found out that using high pressure (> 45 psi's) on these builds is not recommended.

    I'll retape them again next week and will be extra careful with the pressure and levers.

    ps. the new Maxxis Terrane 33mm might be a better alternative to the hard-to-seat Kenda Happy Medium's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dekaru View Post
    The same thing happened to me last week. In between trying to get the Kenda Happy Medium SCT's to seat (horrible experiencie, btw) and my undiscriminated usage of my plastic levers I ended up busting my rim tape. I also found out that using high pressure (> 45 psi's) on these builds is not recommended.

    I'll retape them again next week and will be extra careful with the pressure and levers.

    ps. the new Maxxis Terrane 33mm might be a better alternative to the hard-to-seat Kenda Happy Medium's.
    I can't get the rear wheel to seal. I thought it was good but there's sealant coming through a few spoke holes. I must have screwed the tape up again. I think I'm going to solve the annoyance the best way possible- throw money at it. Mavic ksyrium wheels are calling me. No holes to tape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    I can't get the rear wheel to seal. I thought it was good but there's sealant coming through a few spoke holes. I must have screwed the tape up again. I think I'm going to solve the annoyance the best way possible- throw money at it. Mavic ksyrium wheels are calling me. No holes to tape.
    Give the Hunt wheels a try, excelent value (and looks!) for the money

    https://www.huntbikewheels.com

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    Last week I finally decided to go road tubeless with my grail rims, using stan's tape and schwalbe pro one tires. Had the exact same problem you described. Getting the wheel on caused the tape to get messed up and leak through spoke holes.

    After 2 attempts, i grabbed some gorilla tape, cut it to 21mm and slapped it on (1 layer). The tape went on perfectly smooth on the rim and the schwalbe's seated up on my first attempt after that. Ditch the stan's if that's what you're using.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dekaru View Post
    Give the Hunt wheels a try, excelent value (and looks!) for the money

    https://www.huntbikewheels.com
    I'd consider waiting for their wheels if I was going to get carbon, but wouldn't wait on them for alloy. There's nothing that special about them.

    Quote Originally Posted by fumanju View Post
    Last week I finally decided to go road tubeless with my grail rims, using stan's tape and schwalbe pro one tires. Had the exact same problem you described. Getting the wheel on caused the tape to get messed up and leak through spoke holes.

    After 2 attempts, i grabbed some gorilla tape, cut it to 21mm and slapped it on (1 layer). The tape went on perfectly smooth on the rim and the schwalbe's seated up on my first attempt after that. Ditch the stan's if that's what you're using.
    I got a roll of wider tape and it seems to be working better. It's 25mm. Goes up the bead shelf a little bit.

    Even though I fixed the issue, I still made an impulse purchase. DT spline R32 wheels are on the way from Germany. Price was too good to resist. They need tape too, but I went for the looks and like how the hubs convert to every axle standard out there.

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    Well I went out for a road ride today and looking at mountain bike trails I decided to try a little off road, now I had the tires pumped up to 100psi with the stock mostly slick tires and actually did a lot better than I thought it would, Now the one thing I do hate about road type bikes is drop bars...what would it take for me to go to a flat bar? Im thinking probably everything (brakes/levers/shifter...etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    Well I went out for a road ride today and looking at mountain bike trails I decided to try a little off road, now I had the tires pumped up to 100psi with the stock mostly slick tires and actually did a lot better than I thought it would, Now the one thing I do hate about road type bikes is drop bars...what would it take for me to go to a flat bar? Im thinking probably everything (brakes/levers/shifter...etc)
    And a longer stem, because you won't have the length the bars add.

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    Got rid of that crap formula front axle and switched to a maxle stealth. So much nicer looking and it doesn't sound like a zipper when you insert it. Have to carry a 6mm in the saddle bag now though. Have a DT RWS rear skewer but would like to find something less bulky for that too. With tubeless, I rarely have to remove the wheels these days...

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    The Maxle fits that is pretty cool to know. That much look so much nicer too.

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    Yep. They have a maxle stealth road version that matches length and threads perfectly.GT Grade-img_20170411_171528.jpg

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    In case someone was wondering about framebags. Here is a Blackburn Outpost (Medium) in a 2016 55cm frame. That's is a spare toob between the seattube and the framebag. Good bang for the buck.

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    Well, I did a complete dipshit thing last night. Bunny hopping a railroad tie in small chain ring/small cog on a dirt road the chain popped off and wedged between the chainring and the chainstay. It chewed up the chainstay a bit - not terrible, but took a little chunk out. Anyone else on a carbon Grade have a similar occurrence? It looks like the top layer of carbon is pretty much decorative, and there doesn't seem to be damage below that.

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    Some Grades

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    Finally got my DT Spline R32 wheels from Germany. Damn these things are mean lookin. And so nice that they come with every hub adapter possible. Also recently got ergon saddles for all my bikes. Love them! Not much left of my original bike... just the cranks, FD, post, brakes and brifters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    Finally got my DT Spline R32 wheels from Germany. Damn these things are mean lookin. And so nice that they come with every possible hub adapter possible. Also recently got ergon saddles for all my bikes. Love them! Not much left of my original bike... just the cranks, FD, post, brakes and brifters.

    super nice! what size is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dekaru View Post
    super nice! what size is it?
    53...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    53...
    If you ever decide to sell it or if you wish to change it for another one size larger let me know :P

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    My local performance store has the 2016 105 carbon on sale for $1800. The one that has the green stripes. They have several sizes, 53 and whatever xl is. This version isn't shown on their website anymore but the manager said tbey have a good amount still in their system. They're doing an extra 15% off this weekend too. You would be under 1600 with this deal 😱

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    My local performance store has the 2016 105 carbon on sale for $1800. The one that has the green stripes. They have several sizes, 53 and whatever xl is. This version isn't shown on their website anymore but the manager said tbey have a good amount still in their system. They're doing an extra 15% off this weekend too. You would be under 1600 with this deal 😱
    wow, sounds great! i'll check it out, thanks! i did not particularly like the green version of the 105. I have the 55 black/white version but it's a bit too big for me. I like the bike so much I'm seriously considering buying the same model just to get the right size (bought it online) ... I'm 5'9 and had to swap for a 90mm stem and push the saddle almost all the way to the front. I am flexible but I don't enjoy a slammed body position.

    Thanks!

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    Finally I got my hands on the Easton EC70AX bar. One nice thing about the bar is the coarse surface for the stem attachment. I'm not an expert on carbon bars but haven't seen that on any other carbon bars, road or mtb. I still put some carbon paste during assembly, just in case.
    Weighed in at 220g vs 312g of the original Al bar.
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    I was waiting to get the same bar as the GT original but in carbon. Actually the Easton is a little bit narrower at the drop ends.
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    The bends are actually quite different. I like the Easton better, I have always had a slight feeling that my hands are slipping down on the GT bars. Also I was able to setup the brifters so that it's easier to reach the brakes.
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    Waiting for a test ride to be done.

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    Speaking of handlebars... removing the bar tape from the "GT Droptune RS Ultra Light" on my GT Grade Ultegra 2014, I found the designation "RA68A.2 440" etched into the bar end.

    This hints that the original bar would be a rebranded TranzX JD-RA68A.2 made in Taiwan. The TranzX PDF catalogs list the following specs:

    Material: Alloy #2014-T6 DB
    Center: 31.8mm/120mm
    Reach (C-C): 70mm
    Drop (C-C): 120mm (360/380/400mm)
    Drop (C-C): 130mm (420/440/460mm)
    Flare Angle: 16°

    There is another model called JD-RA68A which identical specs but using 6061 instead of the 2014 alloy - I assume this must be what GT chose to call the "Super Light" variant. My "Ultra Light" variant isn't very light either at almost exactly 300g.


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    Oh and Bianci rebrands the same bar here, too:

    https://www.bianchistore.de/en/bianc...ar-alloy-ra68a

    (interestingly, Drop & Reach listed by Bianci differ a little bit from the original TranzX specs and in fact come closer to what I measured on mine).

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    After a couple hundred kilometers with the Easton Bar I can say it's good. I was waiting for a bigger effect on reducing the road buzz but I'm fine with the result. My expectation were pretty high after changing my seatpost to a Ritchey WCS Carbon Link Flexlogic. Superb seatpost btw. As said the Easton hook shape fits me better. It's a nice upgrade.

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    Not a lot of chatter among the Grade owners. Hopefully everyone is out there racking up miles on their Grade. I was getting a little rear brake rub and needed to clean my drivetrain, so I stuck the bike in the stand and took care of those last night. While mucking with the rear brake, I noticed that the rubber boot on the front dérailleur cable has pretty much disintegrated and my shift cable isn't in the greatest shape. Has anyone replaced this boot? If so, what did you use? I'm thinking of trying a V-brake boot as I can't seem to find one meant for a shift cable. Suggestions?

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    I would try the v-brake boot.

    I had a bigger hole in my Hutchinson Sector 32 that Stans wouldn't fix. Tires have been ridden only for 2200km. I went the lazy route and slapped on some Casco Liquisole glue on it only from the outside while the tire was still on the rim. Put 5,5 bar in it and rode the first 50km with zero pressure loss. Normally I use about 4,5 bar on the rear tire. I'll use the same stuff to patch other cuts before they get any bigger or filled with sand.

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    Just to tell that Hutchinson Overide fit in tube 38 version. They measure 37mm on my Alloy. It is a tight fit though: https://www.strava.com/activities/11...R&v=1501264797
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    Hi all, wanted to contribute some pics to the thread as a thanks for helping me land on the Grade as my first road-ish-type bike.

    It took a few rides to get things dialed in and accustomed. Such as working on my new found fear of upping and downing curbs (lol). After a solid 3hr ride today I think I have things where I want them. And I think I'm addicted to this thing. Loving the combo of speed, distance, and off-roadiness.

    Onto pics. Let's give some love to the economical end of the spectrum.
    Here's my '17 Claris:





    I love how the frame looks. Triangle is small on this 53cm frame.






    So as of '17 the Grade no longer comes with a carbon fork on the Sora and Claris models. Here's what the new alloy fork looks like.


    As for future plans... I really really really miss having full hydro-brakes. It's the feel and modulation that I love, and this (well, all) bikes deserve to have that. Maybe a Tiagra-hydro groupset + post-mount calipers at some point? Or if Shimano brings Hydro down to Sora level I'm completely fine with that.

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    Looking at a deal on a 2016 Carbon Grade, $600 difference between 105 and Ultegra, thinking it is not worth it but looking for some input! Cash could be used to upgrade some other things like wheelset.

    Excited to get on this ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calibrit View Post
    Looking at a deal on a 2016 Carbon Grade, $600 difference between 105 and Ultegra, thinking it is not worth it but looking for some input! Cash could be used to upgrade some other things like wheelset.

    Excited to get on this ride.
    By all reports I’ve seen, it seems the 105 5800 series shifts every bit as good as the ultegra 6800 series, just with additional weight. I’ve got 6870 (di2) on my Grade, but if I was looking for mechanical right now, I’d probably be aiming at the 105 5800 series. Seems to hit that “best bang for the buck” sweetspot


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    I went with 2015 Ultegra because of the hubs, more than anything. DT 240s are bulletproof and the Ultegra was just a bonus. I assume the 105 is hydro, as well?

    You're gonna be happy either way...go with your gut and ride it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacobray View Post
    I went with 2015 Ultegra because of the hubs, more than anything. DT 240s are bulletproof and the Ultegra was just a bonus. I assume the 105 is hydro, as well?

    You're gonna be happy either way...go with your gut and ride it.


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    Yeah 105 brakes are the same as the Ultegra as I understand. I looked at the hubs too, $600 goes a long way though!!!

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    FWIW, you couldn't build the wheelset on the ultegra grade for $600... Check out the price of the 240 rear hub. Even if you're thinking of going with carbon wheels, the ultegra might make sense. You could relace the 240 hubs to carbon hoops and sell the unused Grails. Also, I'm pretty sure the levers on the 105 bike are not the carbon ones on the ultegra. Not sure if that matters to you or not, but the 105 hydraulic levers are not the same as the carbon levers that are ultegra uses. The 105 stuff is still great, just wouldn't want you to be disappointed.

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    Agreed, 105 is a solid group. I made some changes and upgrades to my bike, it was not originally 105, but I went to 11spd 105 and haven't had a single problem with it. I recently replaced the chain because the wear gauge said I should, but shifting was still solid and no excess noise to speak of, the new chain shifts smoothly and is still quiet, so it seems like the rings and cassette aren't worn much. Again, shows how solid the 105 is. Like mentioned, new wheels may cost more than the difference - but are the stock wheels tubeless ready? I forget. If not, that might be a step you want to take. Either way - this bike is a blast to ride.

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    Hi all
    I'm looking at a GT Grade Carbon Tiagra as my first ever non mountain bike, getting 35% off so it's a good deal. One thing that's confusing me - it has a PF30 shell with what seems to be a square taper FSA Vero crankset. Must be some kind of adaptor..? It sounds ugly/heavy so I'm keeping an eye out for a BB30 crankset to replace it with. I assume switching it to a standard PF30 BB will be straightforward? Will probably get a LBS to fit the bearings, just don't want to be stuck with a cartridge BB.
    Any other bits that I might want to replace from stock?
    Thanks all

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    Couldn’t make a decision so I bought an rlt rdo.

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    The new 10spd Tiagra stuff is pretty nice; I know a couple friends with it on Spesh Diverges. Your low points (like any Tiagra bike) are going to be the crankset and wheels. I'm not sure what GT uses to mount a square taper BB in the PF30 shell, but I worked on a Jamis that had a PF30 bb and it had a threaded aluminum tube pushed in there. It was a real pain to get it out, but once out the PF30 cups pushed right in.

    That said, the praxis works adapter GT uses on the 105 and Ultegra bikes is a pretty solid BB. I have several thousand of miles on mine with zero issues. I'd definitely consider going that route if you like Shimano cranks. They weigh a little more than some of the BB30 stuff, but they are solid.

    calibrit - which level RLT RDO did you buy? How do you like it? If I was in the market for a new gravel bike right now, it would be high on my list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlipperyToad View Post
    The new 10spd Tiagra stuff is pretty nice; I know a couple friends with it on Spesh Diverges. Your low points (like any Tiagra bike) are going to be the crankset and wheels. I'm not sure what GT uses to mount a square taper BB in the PF30 shell, but I worked on a Jamis that had a PF30 bb and it had a threaded aluminum tube pushed in there. It was a real pain to get it out, but once out the PF30 cups pushed right in.

    That said, the praxis works adapter GT uses on the 105 and Ultegra bikes is a pretty solid BB. I have several thousand of miles on mine with zero issues. I'd definitely consider going that route if you like Shimano cranks. They weigh a little more than some of the BB30 stuff, but they are solid.

    calibrit - which level RLT RDO did you buy? How do you like it? If I was in the market for a new gravel bike right now, it would be high on my list.
    Thanks for the reply.
    Yes, if there's an adaptor stuck in there I think I'll just leave it. It would be OK to fit a hollowtech BB I assume? I could then pick up an Ultegra crankset on eBay at quite a good price.
    Bit of a shame not to use the BB30. At the moment it's stopping me from buying it. I'm worried about being stuck with a square taper set up.
    Bike shop took a photo, doesn't give much away.

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    That looks like your standard square taper bb... since the adapter is a standard 68mm width, you should be able to pull out that square taper bb and screw in a hollowtech bb no problem.

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    Sorry, double post.
    Ok thanks SlipperyToad. Doesn't sound too painful.
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    Re RDO. Rival. Ultegra is silly expensive.

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    Please can you show a pic of the threaded side too, ta.

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    Getting ready for the ice, snow and darkness with a new wheelset with dynamo lights

    https://ep1.pinkbike.org/p6pb15341112/p6pb15341112.jpg


    Shutter Precision PD-8 QR 28H
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    DTSwiss 350 135mm 28H
    Hunt 4 Season Gravel disc
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    Hi - I too am looking at the Carbon Tiagra...as a roadie not wanting to be stopped from exploring a few tracks. I have been through all the posts, which have confirmed I am going in the right direction - and will spend the rest of my life worrying about wheels and tyres I am still a little confused with sizing - and wont be a able to try the bike first. I am 5'10 (177cm) with an inside leg of 32.5" (82.5cm). The first bike shop suggested a 56 - but later changed to 55 when I challenged them....I have seen suggestions in this forum that the 53 may also be suitable. My roadbike fit data was 733mm saddle to bottom bracket and a reach of 544 from saddle to bars. Any words of advice before I push the button?

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    Quote Originally Posted by calibrit View Post
    Re RDO. Rival. Ultegra is silly expensive.
    Can be, but not on all bikes, for example:

    Save Up to 60% Off Disc Brake Road Bikes - Motobecane Century PRO Ti Titanium Ultegra R8000 Hydraulic Disc Brake Road Bikes
    19 FM 279 carbon gravel
    17 Stache 29+
    14 GT Zaskar 100 9r
    15 Moto NT fat & 27.5+

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    I'm 5'11 with a similar inside leg to you & went for the 55. It's a good fit, might try a 90mm stem just to see but it's not uncomfortable at all. I have 19cm of seatpost showing.
    I switched a couple of parts & the bike is now under 8.5kg on my not-very-accurate scales. Not bad at all, should be very respectable with a light wheelset.

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    I'm with jbuckingham, I'd guess you'd be happiest on a 55, but obviously bike fit is largely a matter of personal preference I'm 5'8" and ride a 55 with a 90mm stem - 31.5 cycling inseam and about a +1 ape index. I wanted the extra stack height of the 55 (I'm getting old), otherwise I'd have gone with the 53.

    Just in case you're open to ordering a bike online, Jenson USA still has at least one Grade Ultegra in 55 on sale for $2300. Using Active Junky, you can save off that too.

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    I’m 5’10” and also chose the 55 over the 53 to get the increased stack. However, as a result, I don’t have much seatpost showing and I’m running a 90mm stem. But the upright position was important to me. I think a 53 is a better fit for someone looking to be more aero or who wants more seatpost showing to gain more compliance in their ride.

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    Cheers all....I have decided to track one down for a fit

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    Hi - I too am looking at the Carbon Tiagra...as a roadie not wanting to be stopped from exploring a few tracks. I have been through all the posts, which have confirmed I am going in the right direction - and will spend the rest of my life worrying about wheels and tyres I am still a little confused with sizing - and wont be a able to try the bike first. I am 5'10 (177cm) with an inside leg of 32.5" (82.5cm). The first bike shop suggested a 56 - but later changed to 55 when I challenged them....I have seen suggestions in this forum that the 53 may also be suitable. My roadbike fit data was 733mm saddle to bottom bracket and a reach of 544 from saddle to bars. Any words of advice before I push the button?
    I am a similar size to you and went for the 53 and I am so glad I did, it’s plenty big enough for me I recon the 55 would of felt huge, but each rider likes a different riding position. I would try both sizes if you can

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    Think you better 53 I'm 187 with 88 for me 56 fine, 55 size not too much difference in geometry to cover 10cm. worst case you always can put 10-20mm longer stem, much better than adjust sizing by shortening it.

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    I was finally able to sell my Grade over the holidays after more than a year of trying. It was carbon with tiagra drivetrain and some upgrades, and I'm surprised how much trouble I had selling since it had very low miles and I wasn't asking crazy money for it. I have a hunch that it being a GT drove forks away, since GT overall have gone significantly down market. The last time I saw a GT bike was at Dick's Sporting Goods, and not even Performance carries them anymore (at least in my area). GT's customer service is not good either, as even getting a hold of anyone is not an easy task. Best of luck to you all on your Grades!

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    Eh. I figure mine has paid for itself by now. I've kinda been thinking about switching to a frame with a shorter rear end. If if do anything I'll probably just sell the frame and fork and re-use all my parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matadorCE View Post
    I was finally able to sell my Grade over the holidays after more than a year of trying. It was carbon with tiagra drivetrain and some upgrades, and I'm surprised how much trouble I had selling since it had very low miles and I wasn't asking crazy money for it. I have a hunch that it being a GT drove forks away, since GT overall have gone significantly down market. The last time I saw a GT bike was at Dick's Sporting Goods, and not even Performance carries them anymore (at least in my area). GT's customer service is not good either, as even getting a hold of anyone is not an easy task. Best of luck to you all on your Grades!
    Best of luck? What's that suppose to mean? It's a sweet ride, and most of the people that I know that own them don't want to trade it for anything. I've owned two, and you can complain a lot about some of the GT models, but about the Grade is just nonsense, It's a reliable bike and it works great, sure it would benefit with an update, but I don't get all the hate. Now, you know, the US is not the world, I can inform you as much as the owners of GT try to, they still are good enough on the rest of the world, Europe, Asia, and good enough to have a proper Factory Team.
    And by the way, cheap models every brand has them. I'm disappointed by some of the choices made by a brand that I like, but most of the criticism could be applied to most of the brands nowadays.

    Check how many views this two (there's a ton more) have about the horrible Grade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t-stoff View Post
    Best of luck? What's that suppose to mean? It's a sweet ride, and most of the people that I know that own them don't want to trade it for anything. I've owned two, and you can complain a lot about some of the GT models, but about the Grade is just nonsense, It's a reliable bike and it works great, sure it would benefit with an update, but I don't get all the hate. Now, you know, the US is not the world, I can inform you as much as the owners of GT try to, they still are good enough on the rest of the world, Europe, Asia, and good enough to have a proper Factory Team.
    And by the way, cheap models every brand has them. I'm disappointed by some of the choices made by a brand that I like, but most of the criticism could be applied to most of the brands nowadays.

    Check how many views this two (there's a ton more) have about the horrible Grade.

    https://www.facebook.com/Extreme/vid...4466752561746/

    https://www.facebook.com/22077277466...2186503191201/
    That's awesome that you like the Grade, but facebook videos and sales figures in other countries were not going to help me to sell my bike. Yes the world doesn't revolve around the US, but saying "GT is great in other countries" doesn't negate the perception the brand has here in the US. If you're the type of rider that keeps their bikes forever, then this doesn't matter one bit. But with ever-changing bike industry standards or just changes in types of riding preferences, some may need or want to sell their bikes in the future and I was sharing my experience and opinions. For the record, I never said the bike itself sucked but--in the US and from my experience--GT has a brand image problem and it's not helped by their customer service and poor market penetration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matadorCE View Post
    That's awesome that you like the Grade, but facebook videos and sales figures in other countries were not going to help me to sell my bike.
    This is not a topic for bikes for sale, it was just to show you it is still praised around the world. In Europe they even advertise it in the big road cycling mags.

    Quote Originally Posted by matadorCE View Post
    Yes the world doesn't revolve around the US, but saying "GT is great in other countries" doesn't negate the perception the brand has here in the US.
    Yes, that was exactly my statement. Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by matadorCE View Post
    If you're the type of rider that keeps their bikes forever, then this doesn't matter one bit. But with ever-changing bike industry standards or just changes in types of riding preferences, some may need or want to sell their bikes in the future and I was sharing my experience and opinions.
    I buy and I sell. But you just complained that you couldn't sell your bike, assuming that was a brands problems, a Grade problem. I was just saying that based on what your perceptions were, that wasn't the case on the REST of the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by matadorCE View Post
    For the record, I never said the bike itself sucked but--in the US and from my experience--GT has a brand image problem and it's not helped by their customer service and poor market penetration.
    Well, as I've said it before, you can basically say the exact same thing about 100% of the brands, "men I love Canyon" - "dud Canyon is the worst" there's always people that complain and others that say the opposite.

    It's not about you, I just felt I need to reply cause in a topic about a certain type of bike that has been praised everywhere - and it was a in fact at some point a bench marker, it's kind useless to hit and repeat the same exact nuisances lived everywhere.



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    Update on my Grade: Since I had tubeless ready wheels after my upgrade (as a refresher, I upgraded my Claris Grade to full 105+Rolf ECX wheels - you'll have to look back a couple years to find pictures) I decided to try some tubeless tires since my Gatorskins needed replacing. I picked up some 32c Maxxis Re-fuse tires, and they went on easy, sealed up well, and ride like a magic carpet compared to the 28c conti tires with tubes in them. I kept pressure around 70 PSI to prevent pinching with the tubes, and I've got these tires around 58 PSI and haven't had any rim strikes or anything yet. Gravel is much less jarring to ride, and road vibration is basically zero on paved roads with these tires.

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    Checking in here to see if any Grade owners out there have tried or fitted "road plus" wheels and tires? That would be 27.5 wheels and anywhere from 45-47mm, WTB Byway or Horizon tires....or even a 1.9 to 2.1 650b tire for a more offroad setup. I like the geo on the Grade just not sure if it will accept the wider tire size front and rear. Looking for a gravel frame and this is on the radar for a build. Check out the tire and builds below for a better idea on the road-plus buzz that's out there!....

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    Unfortunately I don't recall seeing anyone using a road plus wheelset, but I suspect it will work fine. The frame and fork have massive amounts of clearance.

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    I built up a set of 'road plus' wheels for another bike (Salsa Vaya) several years ago, back when they were just called 650B. The situations in which they provide any benefit over a high quality 700x35 tubeless tire on a bike like the Grade are pretty narrow. How often do you need more float or cush on a bike like the Grade? I use them only when there is deep, freshly crushed limestone rock on the roads, and that stuff is so miserable to ride on that I usually just skip it and go for a road or MTB ride. They are the worst investment I ever made in wheels.

    All that said, I suspect you might have some clearance problems with a 2.0 650B tire on the front. I'm pretty close on my Vaya and it has considerably more room than the Grade fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlipperyToad View Post
    I built up a set of 'road plus' wheels for another bike (Salsa Vaya) several years ago, back when they were just called 650B. The situations in which they provide any benefit over a high quality 700x35 tubeless tire on a bike like the Grade are pretty narrow. How often do you need more float or cush on a bike like the Grade? I use them only when there is deep, freshly crushed limestone rock on the roads, and that stuff is so miserable to ride on that I usually just skip it and go for a road or MTB ride. They are the worst investment I ever made in wheels.

    All that said, I suspect you might have some clearance problems with a 2.0 650B tire on the front. I'm pretty close on my Vaya and it has considerably more room than the Grade fork.
    I hear ya and still on the fence with this road plus concept. Why do it if a bike can already fit a 56-40 full size 700 tire/wheel combo? You say that, but apparently the road-plus setup needs to ridden to be appreciated. I wonder why GT did NOT make the cut on the WTB list of compatible frames?....

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    I have ridden 'road plus' - probably put several hundred miles on a road bike with fat 650B tires. I'm not someone to shy away from the added comfort - the narrowest tires I run on any of my bikes is the 35mm Compass Bon Jon on the Grade. I just don't see the benefit to a 47mm 650B tire that weighs 550 grams on a road going bike, unless the road is mud, deep gravel, or sand. It's just too much weight to haul around at the worst possible place to add weight. I'd be adding a pound of rotating weight, for what? A little more comfort and cornering capability on a bike that already feels like a magic carpet ride.

    I'm not saying there aren't circumstances where the 650 wheel with a fatter tire makes sense, touring comes to mind. For me, personally, I just wouldn't bother with it on a bike like the Grade.

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    Edit - Sold my frameset guys. Enjoyed this bizarre "roadie" thread with ya
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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    Hey all, I'm pretty set on going back to a "racier" road frame soon. I'm looking to sell my size 53 carbon frame and fork. It's pretty much flawless and has the gray graphics. Only 847 road and rail trail miles. I'll be including the praxxis BB and the gt flared bars. May also let the shimano hydro calipers go with it real cheap if the buyer wants them. Looking for $500 NET to me. Only want to ship within the US. PM if you want to chat. Can take close up pics of any area you want before I tear it down.
    How tall are you on the 53cm? How does it feel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacobray View Post
    How tall are you on the 53cm? How does it feel?
    I'm 5'9", 30" inseam. Feels perfect with the seat right in the center of the stock post and a 90mm stem. Stock stem was 100 I think. There's a pic of my bike in post 619

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    the jenson tiagra carbon looks like a good buy
    is it worth the jump to ultegra carbon?
    I have a Grade Alloy Sora 55cm
    I am 5' 8" tall with 30" inseam
    I like the way it fits me

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    Quote Originally Posted by deckard2 View Post
    the jenson tiagra carbon looks like a good buy
    is it worth the jump to ultegra carbon?
    I have a Grade Alloy Sora 55cm
    I am 5' 8" tall with 30" inseam
    I like the way it fits me
    if you're talking about the models tiagra vs ultegra, they're somehow different, the most obvious differences (apart from the groupset) are the wheels and the front fork, QR vs 15 mm Axle. Still, I had a alloy tiagra but it was to big for me, so I found a nice deal on a carbon tiagra and slowly upgraded to ultegra drivetrain/DT wheels, kept the TRP brakes on and also the wheels, witch I use for gravel. so I really don't mind having a QR fork - actually I haven't suffered from the vibrations issue that others have. If you go that path, tiagra + upgrade, the only big issue is (for me) the frame color. The ultegra version is bare carbon and all the scratches are almost unnoticed, can't say the same about my grey beauty.... ;x
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    How is the rear "stiffness" on these Grade frames without a 142mm thru axle? I know that some compliance and give is good to a degree but wanted to find out if anyone can predict any "noodle" traits regarding the rear end of the bike. Looking at one with the carbon front fork that IS thru axle. I do like the ease of 135 dropouts when taking the rear wheel off, just seem to be seeing more and more gravel/road bikes with thru-axle....for a reason. This is my only reservation on this frame right now. Thoughts!
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    Just finished some winter upgrades. Started with wanting a lower gear than 25T, and ended upgrading most of the drivetrain (from Claris) because why-not.

    Ended up with:
    • Tiagra 4700 STI
    • Tiagra 4700 FD
    • Ultegra 6800 RD
    • Ultegra 6700 cassette, 12-30T


    And with somewhat of a weigh-weenie mindset on parts, was able to drop 2.2 lbs, the biggest chunk from the tires. Here are some stock component weights for your convenience, if any one is interested:
    • Saddle: 341g
    • Seatpost: 327g
    • Stem, 100mm: 134g
    • All aluminum fork: 707g
    • Carbon Fork with aluminum steerer: 721g
    • Handle bar, Droptune RS, 10 degree flare, 6061: 309g


    I don't care too much for gravel-on-a-road-bike as it turns out (and also why I'm useless to answer the question above my post..), so it's paved only with the Conti GP2k tires.

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    Mine is also a gravel-on-the-road! lol
    well, you have a beautiful bike there!

    In terms of stiffness mine is a carbon frame but with both QR front and rear (the frame from the tiagra model), it flexes a bit under power, on sprints, but nothing serious. But yeah thru axle is the trend, and it is a noticeable one (at least from my experience going from 90s bikes to enduro ones), but not my main concern.
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    About the rear end stiffness... the grade definitely isn't as efficient at putting power to the ground as my Ridley X-Night, which is also a 10mm qr rear end. But that's what makes it a nice bike to be on all day, where the X-Night is not. The chainstays are fairly beefy, and I know a few people who ride them (carbon frames) and have never heard of anyone being able to get the rotor to rub the caliper in the rear. I'd prefer a thru axle rear end, but mostly for ease of rear wheel alignment reasons. I still don't think there's a value bike out there like the closeout deals you can get on the Ultegra Grade. The thing I'd point out is what others here have found... GT has a bit of an image problem, at least here in the US, so if you're the kind of person who buys a new bike every couple years and tries to get maximum dollar for the one on its way out, you're better off with something else. This is especially true now that the gravel/all-road segment seems to be settling in on 142/12 and 100/12 as axle standards.
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    I've never had an issue with the stiffness (or lack thereof) on the Grade. Mine is from the first year they made them, QR front and rear. Mine is a mixed use bike for "non-MTB" rides, meaning roads, paved and gravel, greenways, paved and gravel, and even a bit of exploring trails I've found along greenways where I know they're still on public land. I consider myself an avid, but not high performance rider. I also weigh 220lbs, so if you're lighter than that, I'd say odds are in your favor.

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    Have never heard the rear rotor rub while climbing on the grade carbon I had. However, I used a dt rws skewer and cranked it down pretty tight. That may have helped. If you bounced your butt on the seat you could see the seatstays flex, yet the frame responded pretty well to out of the saddle power bursts; So they really did a good job with that.
    The annoying thing that took a while to get used to was the shudder from the fork when braking on higher speed descents.

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    I've never had fork shudder while braking; but I've only ridden it in the mountains a few times, so I might not be going fast enough. I don't know that I've ever been on the brakes over 40mph; I can say that in the mid-high 30s mine responds well to clamping down on the binders when a deer jumps out in front of you. A time when I was thankful for hydraulic discs too! That said, I'm not a huge fan of the fork either because I don't particularly like how it handles washer board type gravel. That's probably more personal preference than anything though, and no rigid fork feels very good over it. I can say the Grade is way more forgiving than a steeper CX bike on gravel. I rarely get the almost bucked off, oh shit sort of moments.

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    I picked up a 53cm 2016 GT Grade Alloy X w/Rival 1 for approx $1,060 USD. It's hard to purchase the shifters/calipers and all-carbon through-axle fork for that price alone. For reference I was seriously considering a Trek Domane SL Disc build, where just the frameset was $500 Cdn more than this entire bike.

    Not only is the Grade a great deal, but it's a surprisingly nice ride! Stiff where it needs to be and compliant as well (@ mid 30psi). Those Rival 1 disc brakes are 'spooky strong' as per a road buddy's feedback. Rival 1 disc hoods are typical SRAM super-comfortable. Note the hood's length appears to be 5-10mm longer than my Force 22 levers - which has increased the reach somewhat.

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    First ride was in Kelowna/Okanagan BC where I purchased it while on business travel. Right away I knew the bars were too narrow and the stem too long. Stock Fizik Aliante saddle wasn't bad but too hard & slippery for my needs.

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    I've since swapped out to a used Cannondale carbon seatpost and WTB Rocket V saddle (the ONLY saddles I ride). I have Eggbeater 3 mounted, the front is 90mm 0 degree EA90 stem along with new Fizik Cryano 00 44cm carbon bars along with Fizik 3mm bar tape (too hard, will replace with 3mm Lizard Skin).

    Coming next week is a wider range 11-36 1170 cassette and tubeless conversion kit where I'll try to mount a used set of 35mm Schwalbe G-Ones I have sitting around.

    For reference I'm 5'8" and typically aim for 545mm ETT bikes. I was a little concerned the 53 might be 10mm short, but a higher offset seatpost and my new bars with 5mm wider and longer reach, along with the longer Rivals hoods, helped the bike fit me perfect.

    The plan is to use the bike for travel, road and gravel rides.
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    Hey all, just purchased a GT Grade Sora and coming from a 1997 Kona Kapu with campy parts that are impossible to find/replace, I'm pleased at the array of availability for it. I'm sort of new to replacing parts though, so I need to ask. My FSA Velo 50t chainring has some of the teeth sharkfinned, some are altogether snapped 1/3 of the way down. I'm debating whether I should replace the ring with a shimano 3550 50t 9 speed for $60 or the whole crank for $110. Also I'm getting a small rub sound from the crank - and need to know if the bottom bracket is the square tapered or something else? This is my daily commuter so I can't afford down time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canx2k View Post
    Hey all, just purchased a GT Grade Sora and coming from a 1997 Kona Kapu with campy parts that are impossible to find/replace, I'm pleased at the array of availability for it. I'm sort of new to replacing parts though, so I need to ask. My FSA Velo 50t chainring has some of the teeth sharkfinned, some are altogether snapped 1/3 of the way down. I'm debating whether I should replace the ring with a shimano 3550 50t 9 speed for $60 or the whole crank for $110. Also I'm getting a small rub sound from the crank - and need to know if the bottom bracket is the square tapered or something else? This is my daily commuter so I can't afford down time.
    Take it to the shop
    They can answer all your questions and even compare the parts you are considering

    I would consider the lightest part for the lowest price and it may include upgrading the entire assembly

    Good luck to you

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    Anyone on a 2020 Grade? Looks like it has addressed my only two niggles with my 15, tire clearance and rear thru axle. I'm super curious about how much more compliant the new rear end of the bike is.

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    I saw the new design as well and wondered the same. Tire clearance was frustrating on what was an overall awesome bike.

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