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    Stages Dash

    Anyone running one?
    How limited are they if you don't pay Stages lots of money per year?

    Expecting mine to arrive for testing any day...

    Totally customisable display, landscape and portrait modes and no navigation.
    Got it cheap just to have a play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NordieBoy View Post
    Anyone running one?
    How limited are they if you don't pay Stages lots of money per year?

    Expecting mine to arrive for testing any day...

    Totally customisable display, landscape and portrait modes and no navigation.
    Got it cheap just to have a play.
    Hm, looks interesting for the metrics folks.

    But yeah, the pages are slim on the nitty gritty deets.

    https://stagescycling.com/us/the-sta...rmance-system/

    Especially vague about the Stages Link software, which seems like it's the critical component to the question you're asking. I had to dig just to find out what the software does at all, and even that was mostly marketing-speak. I can't find a simple chart anywhere that outlines what the software does in the basic vs paid plans. Go here and all you get is the option to login or sign up.

    https://www.stages-link.com/en/calendar

    I guess you've gotta download the software and login to find out. Which sounds like you'll be doing soon enough.

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    Will be interesting to see how far the free software goes.
    Only cost about $90us instead of the RRP of $299us so even as a cheap head unit with a good clear screen, good battery life, totally customisable layout, it should be fun.
    I don't use a "proper" power meter (Powertap PowerCal HR belt) so realtime power isn't really useful, but it works well after a ride looking at the data.
    Will still use the Garmin 935 to do the recording and uploading.

    One thing that might be useful is the Stages Link website's ability to grab incoming data from Garmin Connect and strip out erroneous HR & power data and replace it with either a null, a set value, or the last known good value and then send that data on to Strava.
    No manual intervention required.
    To be seen if that works on the free version.
    If so, that might be useful for anyone riding with power.

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    One thing I like the idea of, is the training calendar that can sync to the device and also include notes about the interval/effort like "Sub-maximal here until you puke" or whatever.
    I think that might be one of the pay options though.

    One of the pay options that should be free is the ability to sync phone notifications like every other head unit on the market at the moment...
    $200us a year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NordieBoy View Post
    One thing that might be useful is the Stages Link website's ability to grab incoming data from Garmin Connect and strip out erroneous HR & power data and replace it with either a null, a set value, or the last known good value and then send that data on to Strava.
    No manual intervention required.
    To be seen if that works on the free version.
    If so, that might be useful for anyone riding with power.
    This DOES work.
    No more loading the GPX in Golden Cheetah, error correcting, and uploading it to Strava manually.

    The Dash was sent last Thursday and hasn't arrived yet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NordieBoy View Post
    This DOES work.
    No more loading the GPX in Golden Cheetah, error correcting, and uploading it to Strava manually.

    The Dash was sent last Thursday and hasn't arrived yet...
    What sorts of errors were you getting from Garmin (which Garmin?)?

    I know Strava is fairly sensitive to errors, and I have used devices that had PLENTY of them, which resulted in unfavorable results in Strava and RideWithGPS. But my Edge 520 has been solid in that regard, and I haven't noticed Strava scrapping a bunch of my data because it's full of errors.

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    Not so much errors, never had a ride rejected, more like erroneous spikes in power or heart rate.
    Heart rate has been pretty good for the last few years, power gets a bit spikey right at the start of a climb that follows a descent that's long enough for your heart rate to drop. One of the pitfalls of the PowerCal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NordieBoy View Post
    Not so much errors, never had a ride rejected, more like erroneous spikes in power or heart rate.
    Heart rate has been pretty good for the last few years, power gets a bit spikey right at the start of a climb that follows a descent that's long enough for your heart rate to drop. One of the pitfalls of the PowerCal.
    Ah, so more a sensor problem than a head unit problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NordieBoy View Post
    The Dash was sent last Thursday and hasn't arrived yet...
    Still not here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NordieBoy View Post
    Still not here...
    2 weeks in transit? what is this, 1985?

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    I'm entertaining the possibility he hasn't sent it yet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NordieBoy View Post
    I'm entertaining the possibility he hasn't sent it yet...
    What vendor did you order from?

    Sent from my VS995 using Tapatalk

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    2nd hand.
    About $80us

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    Status moving from "miffed" to peeved".

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    Quote Originally Posted by NordieBoy View Post
    Status moving from "miffed" to peeved".
    time to get your money back (via a credit card complaint - I doubt you'll get anything from the "seller" at this point)

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    Got my refund from the seller yesterday (wasn't paid for by credit card).
    Would have rather had the Dash

    So now I'm waiting for the Stages Dash L10 to be released

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    Released and will be ordered as soon as I get paid for the 810 I just sold by auction.

    Christmas already!

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    Interesting...
    With the Stages Dash series, 1s recording is the "low resolution" recording and there is no "smart".
    They also do "live" recording of all packets at about 0.25s.

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    My race day Edge 25 is above reserve with 30min left on the auction.

    So going from an:
    Oregon 680 (cheap - 2nd hand)
    Edge 810 (new)
    Edge 810 (really cheap - 2nd hand)
    Edge 130 (new)
    Edge 25 (new)
    Forerunner 920XT (2nd hand)

    to:
    Oregon 680
    Edge 810 (really cheap - 2nd hand)
    Edge 130
    Edge 25
    Forerunner 935 (new)

    To:
    Oregon 680
    Dash L10 (new)
    Edge 130
    Forerunner 935

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    Speak of the devil.
    Look what just arrived...

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    Well, teething issues aplenty.
    The main one was the sensors wouldn't stay attached to the activity profiles (old style Garmin profiles with sensors attached to each instead of the newer pool of sensors).
    You had to attach the sensors EVERY ride.

    Finally worked out that if you create a new profile OR play with a profiles attached sensors on the Stages Link web site, it would stuff up until 1 specific file was copied back from the backup you've made onto the device.

    Any settings you change via the device itself are sweet.

    The simplicity and customizability of the screen is brilliant.
    Large fields for HR & Cad, smaller for time, dist etc.
    Easily readable without my bi-focal Tifosi sunnies.

    Feeling very much like an alpha tester rather than a retail customer, but I enjoy this sort of stuff

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    Raining and heavy tree cover.

    Stages Dash L10
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    Garmin Forerunner 935
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    First race today since getting the Stages Dash.
    As I don't trust the safety of the Dash on the out front mount on an unknown track, I'll be using the Edge 130.
    Which is much smaller and much more expensive...

    Oh and just found I've forgotten my HR belt.
    Should be a good test of the 935's OHR then

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    17 min of reading low (climbing in the 120's - I don't think so) and then it was good for the next hour.

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    Ordered 2 over-the-stem mounts from a local bike shop.
    Only available on pre-order from the importers in Australia.
    Arrived overnight to New Zealand from Australia!

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    Been refining the layouts.
    Got the race layout pretty nailed, this is the latest iteration of the training layout (I don't have a power meter).
    Stages Dash-img_20190918_163238.jpg
    The screen is the same size as the Garmin 810, but the clarity is much better and landscape is brilliant.

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    Stages have kindly suggested I may be interested in complaining about their L50 instead of the L10.
    They prefer to call it "beta testing"

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    It seems they're focusing on the colour (M50 & L50) units for at least the next few months and as I'm the only one nagging them and logging issues with the L10, they'd rather I focus my immense brain on the L50.

    Well, that's what I got reading between the lines

    Only bummer is I have to send my L10 back
    Thing is, it's much smaller and half the price of the L50 ($500au) and I don't mind racing with it on my bars.
    The bigger, more expensive, colour unit? My old Garmin 130 may be pressed into race duty again.
    For training? Hell yeah! This beastie should be fantastic!

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    Not as big or as... precision feeling? As I thought it was going to be.
    From all the online pics, it looked like a huge unit and very much something you wouldn't want on the bars of your MTB whereas in reality, it's only 20mm taller than the L10, not much heavier and doesn't give that feeling you'd get strapping a phone to your bars.
    It feels like a bike computer. Like a Garmin 810 in a much bigger case but only weighing 30g more.
    Not as polished in the screen detail as the Garmin's, but much brighter and more colorful!
    Booting it up and it's cool to see it's running on Linux
    Which is why I think I ended up with one.
    Comparing the L10 and L50 when setting the L50 up and it's immediately apparent they're running different OS's and are completely different families of devices and the L10 feels very old school compared.
    The wording in the data fields and even the data field names themselves are different which was confusing when setting them up side by side to get the screens the same.
    The L10 feels very old tech under the hood compared.
    Already got a few niggles though, so the bug tracker will still be getting a workout



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    Not as obtrusive on the bars as I thought it might be.

    The colour outlines around the HR data field are cool. Shows you more easily what zone you're in without detracting from the HR number.

    The mapping is based on Open Street Maps and showed all the forestry tracks as I rode today.

    The L10's monochrome screen is really clear with no backlight, but the extra clarity and information density a really good colour screen gives is something else again.

    Battery draw was about 10% per hour with the backlight on auto.

    The GPS trace is quite jagged, like someone was drawing the line with a vibrating pen (jagged, but only 1m each way), but that could be that it uses live recording and 1s smoothing might help a lot there.

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    Garmin Forerunner 935 (GPS + GLONASS)
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    Stages Dash L10 (GPS)
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    Similar to Garmin in the pre-high resolution days.

    Stages Dash L50 (GPS + QZSS)
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    Of course my Dash L50 hiccuped and now displays the "Exiting USB mode, please wait" pop-up now.
    All The Time
    Just when all the support staff are on holiday.

    They wanted me to test it. They're going to get their moneys worth

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    2 weeks of fiddling and I think I've solved it!

    I rename all my devices so it shows a friendly name on the PC.
    An external drive would get renamed from "Western Digital blah blah" to "BACKUP", that sort of thing.

    I renamed the Dash L50 from "DASH" to "DASH L50" and my L10 to "DASH L10".
    Otherwise they both appeared as "DASH".
    As soon as the L50 was renamed back to "DASH" it worked fine.
    Change the name again - stuck on "Exiting USB mode, please wait".
    Change back, and we're away again.

    Have logged it with Stages.

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    Becoming a "tester"

    Hi there, how did you connect with Stages to kind of test things out for them? I actually just ordered a unit because I think they are a great idea, at least in theory. But I keep having this feeling that I should just send it back, and order an Edge 530.

    What are your thoughts after using it for a few weeks?


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    2 weeks of fiddling and I think I've solved it!

    I rename all my devices so it shows a friendly name on the PC.
    An external drive would get renamed from "Western Digital blah blah" to "BACKUP", that sort of thing.

    I renamed the Dash L50 from "DASH" to "DASH L50" and my L10 to "DASH L10".
    Otherwise they both appeared as "DASH".
    As soon as the L50 was renamed back to "DASH" it worked fine.
    Change the name again - stuck on "Exiting USB mode, please wait".
    Change back, and we're away again.

    Have logged it with Stages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by candyspan View Post
    Hi there, how did you connect with Stages to kind of test things out for them? I actually just ordered a unit because I think they are a great idea, at least in theory. But I keep having this feeling that I should just send it back, and order an Edge 530.

    What are your thoughts after using it for a few weeks?
    The screen is huge. And bright.
    The 530 is more fully featured and more polished, but the Stages is more customisable.
    The Stages does the things I need. HR, Cad, maps, speed, distance, climbing.
    I don't use power, but if course it does that VERY well.
    The training side is brilliant too.
    I can read it without my glasses.
    It doesn't do Stava Segments. Yet.
    I've still got a Garmin 130, but haven't used it since the Stages L50 arrived...

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