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    Garmin Edge 530 and 830 2019

    https://bikerumor.com/2019/04/24/gar...-even-offroad/
    I'm ordering this as soon as it's available. My old edge 500 has needed replaced for over a year now.
    Making shit harder than it needs to be isn't awesome, it's just...harder.

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    Read these:

    https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/...th-review.html
    https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/...th-review.html
    https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/...th-review.html

    The one thing I've always wanted and never got from Garmin was a device where the basic features worked reliably. They always bail on a product before they get it right. The touch screen on the 820 is an abomination. I've had three between buying one, a warranty replacement, and a replacement after breaking one. That's not saying anything about all the bugs. It's very rare I go for a ride and everything works as it should. 520 has plenty of it's own problems. I have one of those too. With previous units I would run down-rev firmware as the final version usually screwed up more things than it fixed.

    With these two new units, they've piled in so many new features I can't imagine them ever working right. None of the simpler previous units ever did.
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    Thank goodness the 530 keeps real buttons. I'm not going anywhere near a touchscreen, even if it functions as intended.

    Most of it I don't care about, though. All those metrics - meh. Also don't care about all the connectivity with the phone. The one exception being the two security functions - find my gps and the "lock" mode.

    Things I do care about:
    Improved battery life - yay! always a good thing! appears this is at least in part due to using a new GPS chipset

    Added more satellites - adding the Galileo satellites is a good move. I was wondering when this was going to happen on more devices. got my answer. Curious which location options perform best under which circumstances, though. which is going to be a massively complicated question, of course.

    Maps - I don't need anything complicated. Just enough memory for maps. One thing not clear is whether the trailforks maps baked into the device ever get updated. the strength of services like TF and MTBProject is that they can be updated if something about the trial network changes.

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    Maybe I got lucky...maybe the 510 doesn't have many problems...but I've not had one issue with mine. It's not the latest and greatest but it has served me well for years and does all I need it to do. When the time comes for something new...not sure I'd go with a Garmin again. They do seem to have a ton of issues with a lot of their products.
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    Most of the "new functions" on the 520+ (vs. the 520) don't work in any meaningful way.

    So I'm not going to bother reading what "newer functions" garmin would have me believe are included on the 530
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    Maybe I got lucky...maybe the 510 doesn't have many problems...but I've not had one issue with mine. It's not the latest and greatest but it has served me well for years and does all I need it to do. When the time comes for something new...not sure I'd go with a Garmin again. They do seem to have a ton of issues with a lot of their products.
    Mine is super slow, it got corrupted somehow and I had to hard reset it and make all my training pages and stuff again, and locks up for 5-10 seconds sometimes. I personally can't wait to get rid of my 510 if the new one is going to be better.

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    ^^^ I fell for that at least 4 times in a row now. Instead each new model was just a whole new can of worms, appallingly bad, especially at the start. I'm looking forward to the 830!
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    My quick review on the Edge 830 and 530

    So I picked up a 830 and 530. It's my first time with a bike computer. My plan is to use it for the following: Bike alarm, incident detection, live track, tracking other riders in my group, looking at trail maps, and overall data collection.

    Here are my initial thoughts: (I DID NOT READ THE ENTIRE MANUAL, so a lot of my complaints might be on me)

    1. Bike Alarm: alarm is not loud enough on the device. The main benefit is the notification on your cell that your bike is being stolen. Not sure about the range since I didn't test it. Overall I'd rate it a C.

    2. The live track feature is supposed to send an email every time it starts, it sends an email 50% of the time. I've only used it for 3 days, but 2 of 3 days, the live track webpage didn't work. Rating of F since it doesn't every time. Rating of B when it does work. I'm not sure if incident detection will work if live track isn't working so that concerns me.

    3. Ease of Use: I consider myself to be a gadget lover - but this thing is NOT intuitive. I can't figure out how to get into the mode where I see the other rider. Did a ride with a buddy and he was in my shared contacts list and we were both connected, but no idea how to get it to work. No, I didn't read the manual, I'll do that next. Rating D.

    How do I get to the mode where I can see other riders?


    4. The trail maps are ok. Rating C. There is a feature when you get to a fork, it's supposed to show you the options, didn't happen for me. Since the trails are wooded, it's hard to tell if you're facing the correct direction. When I did a road ride, the maps were great.

    5. Accuracy. On a trail ride, strava on my phone showed 9.6 miles, the Garmin 7.2 miles. Not sure which one is more accurate.

    6. Touchscreen vs Not: I much prefer the touchscreen. Easier to navigate the menus which are already confusing and too many. The touch didn't seem to recognize the swipe 100% of the time while on the trail and that was annoying.

    7. I have SRAM AXS shifting. I was told Garmin can show data from AXS, not sure how since I didn't see anything in the Garmin store about AXS.

    8. I wish I could see the map and current speed in one screen.

    9. I like txt messages showing up on screen.

    10. The screen in daylight is amazing.

    I'll keep playing with it but wanted to share some initial feedback.

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    Looks like some of the complaints are related to unrealistic expectations, potentially due to being insufficiently aware of how these things actually work, especially on a mtb. Some, because RTFM. Others, because Garmin produces shitty manuals, anyway, that don't describe every feature on every device. To learn everything about them, you have to spend time digging through the menus and exploring. You just have to.

    And, of course, I'm jaded enough that I know that all these extra features are on the device to begin with because of people like you who always want more more more out of a device. Little computers like this work better when they have fewer features. They have limited processing power and battery life, anyway, and the more extras you enable and use, the worse the performance will be.

    And that's not even considering whether all of those extras are well-implemented. There's a long history of device manufacturers putting something on a device just to have some new feature, but then that feature doesn't really work all that well. Navigation on mtb trails is a good one for these computers. The computer will let you navigate mtb trails like roads, but it's not going to work as well that way. Live Tracking is another. That feature has existed for years, and it doesn't work that well. This is one of those things that is easy enough to learn about if you'd done your research. There are a whole lot of hardware reasons why. And then the software just appears to not work very well, either. The list just goes on.

    I can see the current speed on the map screen of my Edge 520 if I want. I do not, so I do not display it. But I bet your Edge 530 will, too.

    I don't GAF about messages from people while I'm riding. Riding is my "me" time and everybody else can go f*ck themselves if they can't wait until I'm done. My friends and family are aware of this and expect that I'll return messages or calls when I can. I ride in an area with extremely erratic reception and I work jobs where I cannot respond immediately, anyway. My wife's parents don't get this and she has issues with them calling because she won't just put her foot down.

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    Got mine last week and it's acting wonky. doubling the mileage and giving crappy gps data. I'll post up a review in the next week or so.
    Making shit harder than it needs to be isn't awesome, it's just...harder.

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    Lots of reviews about defective units on retail websites. I cancelled my order til they sort it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Rager View Post
    Read these:

    https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/...th-review.html
    https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/...th-review.html
    https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/...th-review.html

    The one thing I've always wanted and never got from Garmin was a device where the basic features worked reliably. They always bail on a product before they get it right. The touch screen on the 820 is an abomination. I've had three between buying one, a warranty replacement, and a replacement after breaking one. That's not saying anything about all the bugs. It's very rare I go for a ride and everything works as it should. 520 has plenty of it's own problems. I have one of those too. With previous units I would run down-rev firmware as the final version usually screwed up more things than it fixed.

    With these two new units, they've piled in so many new features I can't imagine them ever working right. None of the simpler previous units ever did.



    DC says the 530 is garmins best unit yet and didn't seem to find any major flaws with it. I picked up a 520 about a month ago and so far it's been perfect but I only use a small portion of it's features.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alias530 View Post
    Lots of reviews about defective units on retail websites. I cancelled my order til they sort it out.
    Any links?
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexbn921 View Post
    Any links?

    Go to the REI website and look up the 530. There are a half dozen 1-2 star reviews, one 3 star, and one 5 star.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahkim View Post
    2. The live track feature is supposed to send an email every time it starts, it sends an email 50% of the time. I've only used it for 3 days, but 2 of 3 days, the live track webpage didn't work. Rating of F since it doesn't every time. Rating of B when it does work. I'm not sure if incident detection will work if live track isn't working so that concerns me.
    It won't. At least, it didn't the time mine went off randomly and the button presses to cancel it didn't work in the cold. It said the distress message had been sent. It hadn't.

    There seem to be some very broad issues with pretty much all of garmin's units staying connected to android phones. Previously Garmin support blamed my old beat-up android-m phone, and I was tempted to believe them.... but a year later, I just bought a pixel 3... Which so far has improved absolutely nothing about Garmin's phone connection issues.

    As I've mentioned before, my old 520 worked perfectly with livetrack in 2015.

    At least, I think it did... because the 4 years of hardware and software "upgrades" made since then have been so dysfunctional, I'm seriously starting to wonder if I imagined the whole thing.
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    The official Garmin 530 and 830 user forums are a good place to get an idea of what going on with these devices.

    https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fit...ing/f/edge-530

    https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fit...ing/f/edge-830
    Do the math.

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    does the 830 touch screen work well with normal mtn bike gloves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitnessgeek View Post
    does the 830 touch screen work well with normal mtn bike gloves?
    Yea - it's ok. I had some issues with not swiping left and right every time but it happened last night without gloves. But overall it's not bad, just not smartphone good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahkim View Post
    Yea - it's ok. I had some issues with not swiping left and right every time but it happened last night without gloves. But overall it's not bad, just not smartphone good.
    thanks! I was just reading some other comments online and folks were saying it works so long as the glove has some rubber on the tip of the finger. This may be my next bike computer.

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    I think an important note on the touch screen is not to compare it against sensitivity with a smart phone and other mobile devices. Just think about how often your screen would be changing if it was uber sensitive. I believe it was by design that it is less sensitive to avoid accidental screen input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Rager View Post
    The official Garmin 530 and 830 user forums are a good place to get an idea of what going on with these devices.
    Indeed.

    https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fit...trava-segments

    So the Strava segment feature they have been advertising since 2015 still doesn't work most of the time.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
    Indeed.

    https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fit...trava-segments

    So the Strava segment feature they have been advertising since 2015 still doesn't work most of the time.....
    Works fine on my 810, 130 and 935.

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    So i'm looking for a computer that will do GPS on trails as I am starting to plan trips to locations I've never been to, more complicated routes etc. Was hoping that the 530 with the trailforks stuff was going to be the ticket but maybe not? What else (short of riding with my iphone X strapped to my handle bars) should I look at for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjc155 View Post
    So i'm looking for a computer that will do GPS on trails as I am starting to plan trips to locations I've never been to, more complicated routes etc. Was hoping that the 530 with the trailforks stuff was going to be the ticket but maybe not? What else (short of riding with my iphone X strapped to my handle bars) should I look at for this.

    J-
    I'm slowly getting my 830 to work as I hoped. However, trailforks on the 830 isn't great. It's hard to see or understand the trails unless you zoom in a lot. IMO, an iphone mounted on the bars would be far superior and more useful than the Edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NordieBoy View Post
    Works fine on my 810, 130 and 935.
    I honestly can't remember if it ever worked on my 520....I recall success on a really short segment on a really straight road, and a few failures, but I'm not sure I tried anything much before I lost that head unit.

    On the 520 plus, I'm batting .000 lifetime, including short segments on straight roads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjc155 View Post
    So i'm looking for a computer that will do GPS on trails as I am starting to plan trips to locations I've never been to, more complicated routes etc. Was hoping that the 530 with the trailforks stuff was going to be the ticket but maybe not? What else (short of riding with my iphone X strapped to my handle bars) should I look at for this.

    J-
    Don't expect any computer to be a magic bullet for trail navigation. For mtb purposes, navigation heavily depends on the quality of the data you're working from, and not all digital data is of the same quality. I've been burned too many times by poor quality digital data that I don't expect much from it. My Garmin contains mostly just topo reference maps and some trail maps.

    I also carry high quality paper maps where available (which means I've spent a pretty penny on them, and have a dedicated map storage area). Beyond that, I also have access to the mtbproject and trailforks apps on my phone. None of the digital maps are reliable enough for me to abandon all the others.

    Quote Originally Posted by ahkim View Post
    I'm slowly getting my 830 to work as I hoped. However, trailforks on the 830 isn't great. It's hard to see or understand the trails unless you zoom in a lot. IMO, an iphone mounted on the bars would be far superior and more useful than the Edge.
    phone on the bars? shoot me now. That's a terrible system for navigating mtb trails.

    Honestly, the thing that is most useful to keep my map consultation time on the trail to a minimum is studying maps at home before I go anywhere. And occasionally a refresher at the trailhead to discuss plans with the group that may or may not involve pulling the map out. It might just be a quick discussion of the route, depending on how familiar the group is with the area.

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    Since I've been dumping on Garmin a fair bit lately, I'll try to say something upbeat:

    Livetrack is now working and auto-starting for the first time in a year, and it's good to have it back. Hopefully future software updates do not undo this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
    Since I've been dumping on Garmin a fair bit lately, I'll try to say something upbeat:

    Livetrack is now working and auto-starting for the first time in a year, and it's good to have it back. Hopefully future software updates do not undo this.
    I'll add that my Edge has been much better about Livetrack starting most of the time, and also the email link working nearly all the time. The day I got it, Garmin must've been having server issues.

    I was able to get Group Track to start with a buddy but it wasn't working well. Wouldn't show him sometimes or update. I'll have to play with that more.

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    ^^^ what's changed? Yesterday my 820 wouldn't connect to my phone until I opened Connect on the phone and tapped the 820 icon at the top of the page. It won't connect on its own. That's what it's been doing for a while.

    Something that should have been working 3+ years ago is finally, maybe, working! Amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Rager View Post
    Yesterday my 820 wouldn't connect to my phone until I opened Connect on the phone and tapped the 820 icon at the top of the page. It won't connect on its own. That's what it's been doing for a while.
    That's where I was at with the 520+. Garmin support blamed my crappy old phone, and I recently bought a pixel3 which did the exact same thing....

    ...Until Monday. I am now auto-starting live track, and sending my wife a map that works (not the south Atlantic Ocean). Without even opening the app.

    It's throw-back week at Garmin... livetrack works just like my old 520 used to do with my Blackberry in 2015.
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    I've only had the 520+ for a few months so take this for what it's worth. 1st bike computer. Also, I've no mt bike time with it (yet). Only road so far.

    On the road, it is pretty awesome. turn by turn (audio as I have a blutooth earpiece) as well as on the device itself. Fantastic.

    I tried group track once (albeit in a hasty 5 min before ride start in parking lot). Didn't get it to work, but maybe I'm just doing something wrong - likely.

    No, you cant have speed (or any other data) and map on same screen, but I don;t think any device does that.

    course load is a little slow but I usually load my course before I get to the trailhead, parking lot so this is not an issue (so far) for me.

    I've loaded openstreet maps (thanks DCRM). Awesome! Garmin's base map was upgraded recently and is now also very detailed.

    Again, no time on trail but I do have trailforks loaded and looks to be very easy to use. No need to have cell service (obviously). Just sat's which shouldn't be a problem anywhere.

    I've not used live segments and so can't comment. I am on strava and have my ride auto upload which is nice.

    Battery life is good (so far). Longest ride I've been on is 30 some miles and both device and iphone plenty charge left.

    Never have problem pairing iphone se with garmin conenct. shrug ymmv

    garmin has updated the 520 + so now can pan (albeit a little clunky as have to use buttons) but I'd rather that then f with a touch screen with gloves on.

    mt bike has a remote which allows easy (ier) toggling through the main screens. luv it.

    i'd never consider mounting my iphone on my mt bike for obvious reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetta2010 View Post
    ...No, you cant have speed (or any other data) and map on same screen, but I don;t think any device does that....
    Edge 705, 520 and 820 can have data fields on the map screen. I'd be surprised if the 520+ can't.
    Do the math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetta2010 View Post

    No, you cant have speed (or any other data) and map on same screen, but I don;t think any device does that.
    The much bigger screen on the 1030 allows you to have two data fields on the map screen. It's quite nice for navigation as there's more space on top to show upcoming directions and how far they are as well as still showing a good chunk of the map. Then again as long as you know which direction to take you don't really need much else, I only use it for the road bike and keep the smaller 520 for the road bikes.

    Never have problem pairing iphone se with garmin conenct. shrug ymmv
    This seems to vary a lot for people as I'm the same as you, no issues connecting my Fenix 5s, 520 or 1030 to my Android phone.

    garmin has updated the 520 + so now can pan (albeit a little clunky as have to use buttons) but I'd rather that then f with a touch screen with gloves on.
    The buttons can be a bit clunky but not only do they work well with gloves they also work well in the rain and mud as well which the touchscreens don't. In particular cancelling the incident detection on the 1030 in the rain can be a real challenge as you have to hold part of the screen for five seconds but it doesn't register continuously so the timer keeps counting down.

    i'd never consider mounting my iphone on my mt bike for obvious reasons.
    Agreed, would much rather have the smaller Garmin on the bars and my phone safely tucked away.

    Good to hear livetrack is working again as that's been my only frustration with Garmin recently.
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    I just got my 530. Anyone got a good mount for a 35mm mtb hb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daxdagr8t View Post
    I just got my 530. Anyone got a good mount for a 35mm mtb hb?

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    I use the the k edge adjustable one. I tend to hit the cap mounted one.
    https://www.singletracks.com/blog/mt...garmin-mounts/
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexbn921 View Post
    I use the the k edge adjustable one. I tend to hit the cap mounted one.
    https://www.singletracks.com/blog/mt...garmin-mounts/
    Lools good, i have a 35mm stem so we shall see.

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    Posting another update on my Edge 830:

    1. The livetrack continues to initiate some of the time. Pretty disappointing as I rely on it for incident detection when I ride alone. I'm assuming if livetrack doesn't start, incident detection doesn't work either.

    2. I rode some paved trails with my family tonight and the maps were actually useful!

    3. I picked up the Varia RTL 510 Radar and love it. So far, it's 100% for detecting cars (about 30 cars so far). It also picks up other bikers, some of the time. Here's a video that shows how early it picks up cars. I don't plan to use this on MTB trails, I'll use it for riding to work.

    4. I used my bike alarm feature for the first time. Rode to the Gym and forgot my lock so I left it in the hallway with the alarm on. I set off the alarm intentionally and popped up an alert on my phone.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ahkim View Post
    Posting another update on my Edge 830:

    1. The livetrack continues to initiate some of the time.
    Yep, after going 5/5 last week it dropped back to 1/3 over the weekend. I now think that auto-starting livetrack at the same time my phone is switching out of my home wifi to LTE might be a factor in some, but not all,of the failures.


    Quote Originally Posted by ahkim View Post
    3. I picked up the Varia RTL 510 Radar and love it. So far, it's 100% for detecting cars (about 30 cars so far). It also picks up other bikers, some of the time.
    Mine seemed to have more false positives in the winter when the air was colder, the RTL has settled down now that it's summer. I tend to get the false positives in the same spot every day, and since one of the two is in a location where no car could possible be behind me.... it's annoying me less.

    I think the true value of the RTL is on long road rides on very low traffic roads, when I basically phase out (since I haven't seen a car in 30 minutes), and that beep snaps me back well before the car passes. Unfortunately, I don't do many rural road rides any more these days.
    The above statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahkim View Post
    ... 4. I used my bike alarm feature for the first time....
    It would not be nice to 'accidentally' nudge a bike equipped with one of these parked outside a restroom.

    I have an 820 and between blue tooth randomly not connecting to the phone and/or Livetrack not starting I gave up relying on it. It's nice to see that the new 530 and 830 are carrying on the fine tradition. I use the free Glympse app on my phone. Strava Beacon is another option if you subscribe to the Summit Safety pack at $2/mo.

    Agree Varia can be useful on very low traffic roads. Less so otherwise.
    Do the math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daxdagr8t View Post
    Lools good, i have a 35mm stem so we shall see.

    Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk
    I've been really happy with the Barfly 4 for mounting on 35mm bars.
    https://barflybike.com/collections/m.../bar-fly-4-mtb

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