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    Good job! Reign VS. 6.6 ride impression

    I did the 1st ride on my newly built Reign.
    Here's what I thought based on the 10+ miles of singletrack / DH (shuttle assisted, but has about 3 miles of climb) comparing to the VPP bikes I used to ride (5.5 and Uzzi VPX) and currently ride (6.6) .
    Bike set up- Z1 Light, XTR drivetrain, Marta SL 160mm, King HD hubs/Sapim CX Ray/Mavic 823/Spec Enduro 2.4 UST F/ Nobby Nic 2.25 UST R, Thomson 50mm, EC 70 post, WTB Rocket V Ti. Weight= 32lbs same as 6.6 with similar build

    Frame geometry:
    18" Reign's stand-over height is identical to medium 6.6
    Slack head tube and seat tube= more confidence when descending
    but have to bend my elbows more when climbing
    Taller BB height= 3 rings and less pedal smacks
    Longer wheelbase= compensate the taller BB, and pretty stable at speed
    but a little bit more work at switchbacks

    Pedaling:
    It's really really efficient, can't tell if it's more efficient than VPP or not
    It seems smooth, no pedaling kick back( which happens to 6.6 a tiny bit ) over bumps
    I need more miles on Reign to say...

    Descending:
    I set the sag to about 30%ish, however I still have 1/4 of travel unused according to the rubber rim
    The suspension remains linear and active over small and medium stuff
    but it ramps up quickly on bigger stuff, not like 6.6 which has bottomless kind of feel
    Not quite fair to compare Swinger 3 way to DHX-A & CCDB tho
    Reign rides pretty similar to 6.6, sometimes I don't even realize I'm on a different bike on most parts of the trail ( considering I only utilized 3/4 of the suspension travel! )
    I'll report back after riding RP23 for the more appropriate comparison

    Build quality:
    Nice welding job and beefy construction
    Pivot bearings seem pretty smooth
    Shiny paint job, but get chipped easily (got some already)
    It's not like 6.6's frame details, but not cookie cutter either, the construction of Reign makes sense

    Bottom Line:
    *Love the frame (hate the shock), Reign is just plain amazing and really easy to get used to
    *It costs much less than what it worths!
    *I am glad to see some affordable quality frames other than boutique bikes
    *6.6 is still faster and smoother, but Reign is just fun and easy to handle, who's the winner? depends on what you value. (dang... I sound like MBA editor...)

    It's just first impression, please don't take it too seriously. I'll follow up in a month or two with more valid feedbacks. Wrote this up while the memory is still fresh. That's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TC3
    Descending:
    I set the sag to about 30%ish, however I still have 1/4 of travel unused according to the rubber rim.
    The Reign uses a 7.875x2.00 shock, but the length of the shock shaft is 2.5" so you will never push the rubber ring to the "bottom" of the shock. - Don't worry, I think this confuses everyone at first. More than likely, you are bottoming out the suspension, the reign is very linear, and goes thruogh its travel pretty quickly.

    I don't think the swinger is a great shock, but I also don't think it's quite as bad as everyone makes it to be. The swinger is very sensitive to set up pressure. Most people seem to set it up with the lowest platform - ie: 50psi in the SPV (red) chamber. I have had better luck running mine with a higher SPV - 60-65psi - The main chamber for me is 120psi, and I weigh 143-145lbs. with gear. Adding to the SPV chamber helps in getting that "bottomless" feel.

    All that being said - I'm waiting for Giant to release the Reign X - 6.67" travel, and can use a coil piggyback shock. If I were going to stick with the 05 frame I'd be all about getting a PUSH'ed RP3 for my 05 frame.
    Last edited by deoreo; 08-07-2006 at 07:41 AM.

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    nice

    Nice write up and review. Looking forward for the follow up.

    Hopefully they wont run out.

    p.s. did you let matt ride it, if so what was take on it.

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    deoreo,
    I didn't measure the shaft length.
    So... I did bottom the shock!
    and the sag is off.
    Thanks for the correction.

    Hanzo90802,
    No, Matt didn't ride my bike, he is too busy with his 6.6 with my CCDB

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    Thanks for the review.
    Sounds like the 6.6 is more refined and has better singletrack behaviour, but you can't look past Reign's affordability. Too bad the Reign is limited in shock selection.

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    TC3,

    can you measure your bottom bracket height on your bike? i didn't see any published specs, but i am interested in how high it is with the z1 light... the good news is WW called me today to let me know my frame is ready to pick up

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkblazer
    TC3,

    can you measure your bottom bracket height on your bike? i didn't see any published specs, but i am interested in how high it is with the z1 light... the good news is WW called me today to let me know my frame is ready to pick up
    Sure, it's 14 3/4" from the ground to the center of BB
    Congrats! You gonna build it with Z1 Light as well?
    It shines on Reign.

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    Post some pics please, would like to see the z1 on the reign

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    I did, actually. Here's the link

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    Nice build-up TC3. Welcome to Giant Forum .

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    Quote Originally Posted by TC3
    Sure, it's 14 3/4" from the ground to the center of BB
    Congrats! You gonna build it with Z1 Light as well?
    It shines on Reign.
    thats not too bad then, heck my tracer is at 14.5" .. one of my friends just picked up a reign and a z1 light and i'm pretty sure i'm gonna go with the same setup.

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    TC3, tx for the link. Nice looking ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by InaMtb
    Post some pics please, would like to see the z1 on the reign
    OK


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    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
    Sounds like the 6.6 is more refined and has better singletrack behaviour.....
    Sounds like TC3 didn't have the shock setup correctly (easy mistake to make), so I wouldn't draw any conclusions just yet

    TC3, thanks for the review so far, do post a follow up when you get the rp23 on there

    BTW while I do agree that the limited shock selection is a drawback, a Pushed RP3 is one hell of a shock. Push don't work on DHX-A (stock it wouldn’t be a good match for the Reign due to the lack of mid-stroke support), so that leaves the DHX coil or Cane Creek Double Barrel or Roco.
    Happiness is a warm 2 stroke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71
    Sounds like TC3 didn't have the shock setup correctly (easy mistake to make), so I wouldn't draw any conclusions just yet

    TC3, thanks for the review so far, do post a follow up when you get the rp23 on there

    BTW while I do agree that the limited shock selection is a drawback, a Pushed RP3 is one hell of a shock. Push don't work on DHX-A (stock it wouldn’t be a good match for the Reign due to the lack of mid-stroke support), so that leaves the DHX coil or Cane Creek Double Barrel or Roco.
    My RP23 will be here today, I'll report back next week on how it rides.
    DHX-A won't fit into the cage... no matter how I flipped the shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TC3
    My RP23 will be here today, I'll report back next week on how it rides.
    DHX-A won't fit into the cage... no matter how I flipped the shock.
    RP23 on it's way..... Woohooo!!

    Re-reading my post I wasn't very clear. What I was trying to say is that it is no great loss that the DHX-A doesn't fit. A pushed RP3 would out perform it for trail riding. I think the DHX-A works well with bikes that have a mechanical rising rate (like the Nomad). It would be nice to have the option to throw on a DHX-C, a CC DB or a Rocco..... However, who knows how well they would work with the Reign's linkage.......
    Happiness is a warm 2 stroke.

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    TC3 - I don't know if you're going to run into the same problem as I did with your rp23, but you might want to check out this thread.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=171687
    Happiness is a warm 2 stroke.

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    Thanks for the info.
    Did you install a longer valve? or just use a valve extension?
    It could be annoying when you wanna check the shock pressure.
    I hope mine will come with a longer valve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TC3
    Thanks for the info.
    Did you install a longer valve? or just use a valve extension?
    It could be annoying when you wanna check the shock pressure.
    I hope mine will come with a longer valve.
    I just ordered a longer valve stem from fox. $16 with shipping

    I doubt that yours will come with the longer valve stem, but being a different model (rp23 vr rp3) it might fit just fine anyhow.
    Happiness is a warm 2 stroke.

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    I just did the same trail on my Reign with RP23, except no shuttle this time.
    The new shock delivers as I expected, just smooth.
    It bobs a little when the PP is off, simply flipping the lever cures the problem.
    Reign climbs really well, no pedal kick back or bobing (with PP on).
    I let my buddy (with a spanking new Highline) ride it for a little bit,
    he loves the bike geometry and how both shocks perform like I do.
    Definitely more confidence inspiring than our 5.5s (we both have / used to have 5.5)
    and almost as plush as my 6.6 with coil shocks.
    The swallows everything nicely today, no more sudden ramping up on bigger stuff like last week.
    I set the sag right this time, by the end of the ride, the rubber rim rests at 1/4" from bottom out (nothing too big today)

    Bottom line: Nice frame, plush, balanced and predictable, it deserves a better shock than a Swinger

    That's all I can think of so far...

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