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    Reign Long Travel 29er?

    Was in my LBS today picking up my wifeĒs Trance and was mentioning Iíd go back to Giant if they ever 29er Reign. I was told itís coming. Anyone have any info? I loved my 05 Reign. Great all around bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Five0 View Post
    Was in my LBS today picking up my wifeĒs Trance and was mentioning Iíd go back to Giant if they ever 29er Reign. I was told itís coming. Anyone have any info? I loved my 05 Reign. Great all around bike.
    I was told prior to the release of the Trance 29 (which no one would talk about) that "Giant has a new 29er coming, but if it doesn't have enough travel to suit you, wait til after the first of the year." So it would seem that we both have information about a long(er) travel 29er. But that's all I got.

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    My shop didnít have any info either. We both are thinking prob in the area of 170/160mm. I just hope it pedals like other Maestro bikes do. Iíve read the current 27.5 Reign isnít very good pedaler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Five0 View Post
    My shop didnít have any info either. We both are thinking prob in the area of 170/160mm. I just hope it pedals like other Maestro bikes do. Iíve read the current 27.5 Reign isnít very good pedaler.
    Right. I've ridden the 2018 Reign 27.5, and it was a dog pedaling compared to the SC Nomad. If they can't get a 160 bike to pedal better than that, I'd settle for seeing a "Reign 29" come in at 140 and pedal as well as the Trance 27.5.

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    I had the original Reign back in 05. That was a killer bike. I could pedal it all day on 30 mile epics and still mash downhills.

    Iím looking for a long travel trail bike. More then a downhill enduro 29. Curious to see what they bring out.

    My wifeís 18 Trance 27.5 is an awesome bike. A 29 version of that bike would be exactly what Iím looking for.

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    Any news on a 29 Reign?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Five0 View Post
    Any news on a 29 Reign?

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    Any details?

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    I have also heard this summer for release.

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    Three models with different travel. i've heard the front will range from 140-170 for the three. But that could have changed from when i got the info a couple of months ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big country View Post
    Three models with different travel. i've heard the front will range from 140-170 for the three. But that could have changed from when i got the info a couple of months ago.
    Really? That sounds amazing. Back when Reign first came out in 05 it was Giants work horse do all bike. Sounds like you will be able to be able to configure it for Trail, Enduro or Park based on needs. That would be awesome! Come on Giant!!!

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    Some people say giant is boring, too conservative, and maybe they are sometimes late to the gate with certain models, but they are in a great place since they make so many other bike companies bikes.

    They can see what is selling, where the trends go and how fast they die.

    All that plus now that they have their 2 year crash replacement on carbon, I am holding off on a new bike until i for sure see what giant is doing later in the summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big country View Post
    Some people say giant is boring, too conservative, and maybe they are sometimes late to the gate with certain models, but they are in a great place since they make so many other bike companies bikes.

    They can see what is selling, where the trends go and how fast they die.

    All that plus now that they have their 2 year crash replacement on carbon, I am holding off on a new bike until i for sure see what giant is doing later in the summer.

    I think Giant makes some good bikes. You often can get their frames at a very reasonable cost from dealers. Frames also typically include the headset which I've found to be very good. Two of my three main rides are Giants. A Glory 2015 and that thing is just so dialed, and it refuses to die. The bearings are still good and the thing rips. My latest bike, a Trance 29, feels great. Only a few rides so far, but so far I'm very happy. To me, their suspension, at least on all the Giants I've tried, feels great. A year or two ago ran into a Reign with a coil with a remote lock out out back. Real nice bike and felt so glued to the ground.

    Smaller mom and pop bike makers are great too, and my 3rd main ride is a Knolly, but just because a maker is big, doesn't make'm bad.

    If Giant came out out with a modest travel, AM/Enduro, 29 Reign, I'd give it a shot.

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    Given my current experience with my Trance, I'm definitely on board to hear some details on a 29er Reign.
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    Figure out how to slap 29 wheels on the Trance 27.5. Keep the blacked out color. Here take my money...please.

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    A 160mm 29er Reign would be so fast. They will make the seat tube angle steeper for sure, but I hope they donít mess with the leverage curve. I have a 2019 Reign with Super Deluxe coil and itís already so fast. Give this thing big wheels and itís a race bike, for sure.

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    More deets to come in August. But itís official, Giant will be dropping a line of Reign 29ers in a 150/160 configuration.

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    Adam Craig seemed to have something new at the Trans-Provence recently...

    https://www.pinkbike.com/photo/17405147/?s6

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    Word is it drops tomorrow.

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    Reign Long Travel 29er?-1149401c-8707-4f1c-b700-d1b8c31a3e53.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountaindrew94 View Post
    More deets to come in August. But itís official, Giant will be dropping a line of Reign 29ers in a 150/160 configuration.
    Make it carbon front, alloy rear and with a threaded BB and I'll buy one tomorrow.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Haha I wish. The days of outboard seem to be behind us as tragic as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountaindrew94 View Post
    Haha I wish. The days of outboard seem to be behind us as tragic as it is.
    The only companies I can think of that make full suspension carbon bikes with a threaded BB are Santa Cruz and Ibis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bronxbomber252 View Post
    The only companies I can think of that make full suspension carbon bikes with a threaded BB are Santa Cruz and Ibis.
    And Transition. And Whyte. And Alchemy. And Evil. And Spot. And, hell, Specialized.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Well, i am a bit disappointed. Mostly by the fact that probably none of those sizes will fit me. There is huge difference between M and L sizes. Also, no bike is equipped with new shimano slx/xt frame.

    On the other hand, the amount of travel and angles would be perfect for me.

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    Sizing concerns me a little, I think Iíd be a medium but wonít know for sure until I get a ride on one. Also disappointed with no SLX drivetrain. My current bike has Sram GX and I canít say Iím too keen on getting that again. Anyone else getting that ignoring clicking sound in only one of the gears?

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    I was hopeful, but it seems this Reign ainít for me
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by clone185 View Post
    Sizing concerns me a little, I think Iíd be a medium but wonít know for sure until I get a ride on one. Also disappointed with no SLX drivetrain. My current bike has Sram GX and I canít say Iím too keen on getting that again. Anyone else getting that ignoring clicking sound in only one of the gears?
    I have a GX Eagle drivetrain as well, and it was only in the 5th-smallest cog that I noticed a clicking sound. There was actually one tooth that the chain was getting momentarily hung up on, so I had my LBS file that tooth a bit - clicking gone!

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    Wow, I own an XL trance 29 and I'd be a solid L reign 29. Initial looks at geo look solid. It's definitely going to be a plow sled, but that's always been the reign's deal anyway. Pretty awesome park, gnar and race bike.
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    I'll be interested to read some feedback from early adopters. But just looking at the numbers/builds/price, I'm glad I didn't wait.
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    I thought there would have been a bigger roll out. Only found one YouTube video so far. I donít even see the bike in Giants webpage. The Trance 29 had a lot of fanfare when it was released.

    Iím really interested in how it climbs. If you can ride this bike on all day epics. Or is just a down hill bike that will get you to the top okay. I really hope it rides like the Trance 27.5

    Edit: I spoke too soon. Giant updated it page to showcase the Reign. Found a YouTube review. FLOW has a pretty good review which touched in my questions. Sounds like Giant decided to go with less travel to make it a better pedal bike then just a down hill sled.

    Iím pretty stoked! I had the original 05 Reign and loved it

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    Very interested in checking one of these out, I currently have a large Reign 2 and being 6'2" I always felt it was a little too small, I was sold on my next bike being an XL.

    But the numbers (Head tube, reach, wheelbase, stack etc) on this new Reign 29er in large are MUCH larger than the 27.5 Reign, and the XL might be HUGE! haha.
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    Reign 29 now on the Giant Australia website.

    https://www.giant-bicycles.com/au/reign29

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimusprime View Post
    Wow, I own an XL trance 29 and I'd be a solid L reign 29. Initial looks at geo look solid. It's definitely going to be a plow sled, but that's always been the reign's deal anyway. Pretty awesome park, gnar and race bike.
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    I was actually talking to one of the guys at my LBS about this yesterday. I told him I felt like the XL Trance was still a little tight, and that I hoped the XL Reign was longer. I'm thinking about putting a 20mm longer stem on my trance 29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    I thought there would have been a bigger roll out. Only found one YouTube video so far. I donít even see the bike in Giants webpage. The Trance 29 had a lot of fanfare when it was released.

    Iím really interested in how it climbs. If you can ride this bike on all day epics. Or is just a down hill bike that will get you to the top okay. I really hope it rides like the Trance 27.5

    Edit: I spoke too soon. Giant updated it page to showcase the Reign. Found a YouTube review. FLOW has a pretty good review which touched in my questions. Sounds like Giant decided to go with less travel to make it a better pedal bike then just a down hill sled.

    Iím pretty stoked! I had the original 05 Reign and loved it
    Looks much more progressive than the last generation of Reign. With the seat tube almost 4 degrees steeper than the old 27.5 rendition I would think your seated power position would be a lot more efficient for climbing. It does have a 65 head angle which is pretty slack up hill but still a much better position for climbing I'd think

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    I like what they done wth the bike (except for the L being too long). Iwould buy this frame only though:

    Manitou Mara and Mezzer for supension
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    Some decend 30mm alloy wheels


    On the other hand my Trance 27.5 is a much better bike than I'm a rider, so I'll stick with it.

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    Giant's frame only options are hard to beat for price.

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    Iím looking at the AL since this will be my second bike and only used 20% of the time. I doubt I can get my CFO to authorize a second 5k bike.

    Plan is to the swap the giant wheels to a set of Stans Flows I have and prob upgrade from NX to GX.

    I am familiar with Fox products. Not so much with RS. How is the RS stuff that is specd on the AL bike? What would be the equivalent to the Yari RC and RS Deluxe select + in the Fox line up?

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    Probably DPS shock and Ryt series fork equivalent

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    Probably DPS shock and Rhythm series fork equivalent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountaindrew94 View Post
    Probably DPS shock and Rhythm series fork equivalent
    Thanks. That helps

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    Have they started showing up in LBSí yet? My shop placed an order they day before the release

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    Have they started showing up in LBSí yet? My shop placed an order they day before the release
    I have confirmation that the advance pro 1 will arrive in shops week 41 and the sx will arrive week 44 in British columbia.

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    For us yanks. What are the dates?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    For us yanks. What are the dates?
    According to Giantís website, October. Week 41 (of 52) would be mid October, so that seems to jive.

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    Is anybody else here 183cm (6 feet, inseam 88cm - 34.6 inch, long legs, shorter torso) that is unsure about the sizing of the new Reign?

    It is pretty much exactly the same size as Mondraker Foxy 29 L and Orbea Rallon XL.
    Visual geo comparison

    Mondraker is still considered on the progressive, longer side, and Reign is actually 1cm longer in wheelbase.

    On the other hand, if I insert my height and inseam measurements in the ORBEA Rallon size calculator, it suggests me XL one.

    So I don't know, it shouldn't be that (too) big, but I haven't ridden bike this size on the trail. Currently, I have giant trance 27.5 L (latest geo, WB is 1183mm, and reign 29 is 1258...), and I find it a bit to small. I just feel, that especially in high speed turns, hands are a bit too close to the feet and I feel like COG is too high above the bike and I feel like a pendulum, where I am too forward or too much back, it feels hard to be centered over the bike. This could be remedied with longer bike.

    yeah, I like to overthink stuff..

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    Anyone know when they will show up in USA shops?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    Anyone know when they will show up in USA shops?
    See my last response to your last post.

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    I only know from the Advanced Pro 1 build, but when I went to the shop to buy they only had 3 XL's left for the October shipment on the Giant dealer site they checked. I went ahead and pulled the trigger as the shipments after that where in November.

    They only had a small batch of XL's total, not sure what the other builds and sizes look like. I'm sure you can call one of the dealers and they can let you know. Mine was pretty cool.

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    I think that is why it took so long for me to be able to EP a trance 29 advanced 1 in XL. Demoed it at launch in early august, finally came available on ep site in February.
    Kinda thinking if I get a reign, I'll get the advanced 1, even though I find the black incredibly boring. Just bang for buck is too good. And I can add accent colors elsewhere. Hoping to demo to see if L or XL is the ticket.

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    Yeah I'm just shy of 6'2" and currently riding a 2018 Reign size large, I was totally sold on my next bike being an XL based on feeling like my current reign is a little too small, but the sizing of the reign 29 on paper is making the XL seem HUGE haha, really need to sit on one sometime hopefully.

    Quote Originally Posted by s-master View Post
    Is anybody else here 183cm (6 feet, inseam 88cm - 34.6 inch, long legs, shorter torso) that is unsure about the sizing of the new Reign?

    It is pretty much exactly the same size as Mondraker Foxy 29 L and Orbea Rallon XL.
    Visual geo comparison

    Mondraker is still considered on the progressive, longer side, and Reign is actually 1cm longer in wheelbase.

    On the other hand, if I insert my height and inseam measurements in the ORBEA Rallon size calculator, it suggests me XL one.

    So I don't know, it shouldn't be that (too) big, but I haven't ridden bike this size on the trail. Currently, I have giant trance 27.5 L (latest geo, WB is 1183mm, and reign 29 is 1258...), and I find it a bit to small. I just feel, that especially in high speed turns, hands are a bit too close to the feet and I feel like COG is too high above the bike and I feel like a pendulum, where I am too forward or too much back, it feels hard to be centered over the bike. This could be remedied with longer bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lwkwafi View Post
    I think that is why it took so long for me to be able to EP a trance 29 advanced 1 in XL. Demoed it at launch in early august, finally came available on ep site in February.
    Kinda thinking if I get a reign, I'll get the advanced 1, even though I find the black incredibly boring. Just bang for buck is too good. And I can add accent colors elsewhere. Hoping to demo to see if L or XL is the ticket.
    I agree black is boring, but I did see the black 19 Giant Fathom 2 in the shop yesterday and it has this kind of Black/Grey slate looking thing going on with metalicish blue decals. It actually looked pretty darn sweet in person.

    The Reign Pro 1 seems to have the same black paint job as that Fathom and I'm guessing the same kind of accent's would look pretty cool too. I actually sold myself on doing it just by looking at the Fathom.

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    Good to know. I will have to see if we have a fathom at the shop.
    And still will need to ride one. Based off reach, a Large is good and close enough to my jekyll. But tt length for seated pedaling size, it would be pretty short due to the steeper sta. Then XL tt is same as jekyll, but reach is also 516 (20mm longer than the jekyll).

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    I have the advanced pro frame coming. (L, I'm just over 6'. ) Was originally going to get the 1 even though the black is boring, but it looked like it was going to be months before they'd be available (Oct and Nov shipments already sold out). So doing a frame up build. The bronze will be hopefully be very nice.

    Very excited about this bike. I had an 05 Reign, and that thing was a blast. I expect this one will be as great for descents and drops, but go uphill even better. I can't wait to be back on Maestro suspension.

    Hopefully, the frame all the parts will show up in the next few days. I'll post pics when I've got it built.

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    Rode a large reign pro advanced 1 around the shop parking lot today and at 6'2" it felt near perfect at pedaling height. So excited for my reign sx to come in.

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    As the OP of this thread I have been waiting with so much anticipation for the Reign 29. Having too owned the original 05 Reign and my wife having the Trance 27.5 (which is an amazing do all bike). I couldnít wait to get on a LT maestro 29er.

    Then the Ibis Ripmo AF dropped! I am looking at the al Reign as this will be my second bike and only used about 30% of the time. With the Ripmo 3k gets you full DVO high end suspension. The Reign at 3k get you a low end fork and shock. The shock doesnít have a piggy back reservoir.

    I think that Maestro will ride plusher then DW link. But the RIpmo build kit is hard to beat.

    Damn you Ibis!

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    What's so good about DVO?
    I'd rather take new Fox Performance over it, it's reliable, easy to service and get parts for.

    DVO doesn't have that good of a track record in my experience, plus much smaller service network and support isn't the greatest.

    Now, if they performed significantly better or were offered at cheaper prices over some de-facto standard that is Fox, but it's not the case.

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    I look forward to your build and first impressions.

    I hope you plan on putting some Diety bronze bling on that thing. Stem would look killer.

    Enjoy.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jwiffle View Post
    I have the advanced pro frame coming. (L, I'm just over 6'. ) Was originally going to get the 1 even though the black is boring, but it looked like it was going to be months before they'd be available (Oct and Nov shipments already sold out). So doing a frame up build. The bronze will be hopefully be very nice.

    Very excited about this bike. I had an 05 Reign, and that thing was a blast. I expect this one will be as great for descents and drops, but go uphill even better. I can't wait to be back on Maestro suspension.

    Hopefully, the frame all the parts will show up in the next few days. I'll post pics when I've got it built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-AIR View Post
    I look forward to your build and first impressions.

    I hope you plan on putting some Diety bronze bling on that thing. Stem would look killer.

    Enjoy.
    I did order the bronze stem!

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    I agree that DVO isnít better then high end Fox or RS. But I do think the DVO stuff on the 3k AL Ripmo is superior to what you get on the 3k AL Reign

    What concerns me most is the low end rear shock on the Giant

    I might be wrong. Iím not too familiar with RS products

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwiffle View Post
    I have the advanced pro frame coming. (L, I'm just over 6'. ) Was originally going to get the 1 even though the black is boring, but it looked like it was going to be months before they'd be available (Oct and Nov shipments already sold out). So doing a frame up build. The bronze will be hopefully be very nice.

    Very excited about this bike. I had an 05 Reign, and that thing was a blast. I expect this one will be as great for descents and drops, but go uphill even better. I can't wait to be back on Maestro suspension.

    Hopefully, the frame all the parts will show up in the next few days. I'll post pics when I've got it built.

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    Completely disagree.

    Granted, DVO had some hiccups on the OE Giant stuff. But their open market product is at least AS good as anything from RS or Fox. Plus, it can be rebuilt by any competent LBS or home mechanic. Try that with your nitrogen-charged Fox shock.

    It's not more expensive.

    And, if you do need to send stuff to DVO, a human will answer the phone, talk to you and get your stuff fixed and back quickly. Try that with warranty repair from Fox, which will take anywhere from weeks to months.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarinCRO View Post
    What's so good about DVO?
    I'd rather take new Fox Performance over it, it's reliable, easy to service and get parts for.

    DVO doesn't have that good of a track record in my experience, plus much smaller service network and support isn't the greatest.

    Now, if they performed significantly better or were offered at cheaper prices over some de-facto standard that is Fox, but it's not the case.
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    I can confirm the CS is awesome. Called them just before we went to Moab to ask some questions about my buddies Ripmo. No pressing buttons and waiting on hold. Employee picked up and helped out right away. Awesome CS!

    But I have had just as good as help with Fox. Never called RS

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    Maybe in the USA but not in Europe.
    Here, I send the shock to Fox to another town and it gets serviced in about 1-2 days or in extreme cases I had to wait a week for parts.
    They also revalved for free, serviced the shock completely under bike's warranty. Parts are easily accessible and I can get seals, oil locally whereas it would involve ordering online for dvo parts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    Completely disagree.

    Granted, DVO had some hiccups on the OE Giant stuff. But their open market product is at least AS good as anything from RS or Fox. Plus, it can be rebuilt by any competent LBS or home mechanic. Try that with your nitrogen-charged Fox shock.

    It's not more expensive.

    And, if you do need to send stuff to DVO, a human will answer the phone, talk to you and get your stuff fixed and back quickly. Try that with warranty repair from Fox, which will take anywhere from weeks to months.

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    Hey guys,

    I had a look in the reign 29 geometry charts.

    1. According to the chart S has 100mm headtube and M and L have 110 head tube. Considering, S and M have the same stack and L has a bigger stack, S and M probably have 100mm headtube and L has 110mm one.

    2. wheelbase for the XL is off. If reach is correct, It is more like 1280mm and not 1265mm.

    3. On Facebook, there is a private group called "Giant Reign Owners". One member posted, that he did some measurements of M size. Headtube is in fact 100mm, not 110 that is stated in the chart.
    The bigger finding is, that according to him, the top tube of M is, in fact, 585mm, not 600mm. That would mean, that the virtual seat angle is 78.1į and not 76.8į (1.3į difference). I did some measurement of SA on online pictures of the bike and results are in fact around 78į, whitch is quite steep. If we extrapolate this data to size L, the top tube would be 625 and not 640. Does anybody have access to the L size frame and can measure top tube on it?

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    My XL should be arriving at the bike shop Tuesday for assembly. Iíll pick it up later this week and if no one has answered by then I can try and provide numbers.

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    Haven't seen any follow up on the "first ride" reports of the rubbing rear brake. Anyone else? Seems like it was a universally reported issue, and odd that there hasn't been an update...

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    Iím really confused by the sizing. Having short legs ,30Ē inseam. With a long torso. 5-10Ē. I will probably be forced to ride a medium. The M has a relatively short reach of 455 but the L is super long at 495. Does that seem odd to anyone else?

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    Jup, to me as well. Initially, I was looking at bikes at around 475mm reach and was quite bummed when giant dropped the new reign with such a big gap between medium and large. But I am 6 feet with a rather long inseam (35 inch), so I hope I can make the L work for me.

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    I really want the plushness of Maestro. I just donít think you get that with DW or similar bikes. My Niner is super plush too. But Iím not paying Niner prices anymore. And the new Rip is too short in reach.

    I know DW pedals amazing. But Iím looking for a lazy boy ride over the ruff stuff.

    So disappointing. I really wanted a new Reign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    I really want the plushness of Maestro. I just donít think you get that with DW or similar bikes. My Niner is super plush too. But Iím not paying Niner prices anymore. And the new Rip is too short in reach.

    I know DW pedals amazing. But Iím looking for a lazy boy ride over the ruff stuff.

    So disappointing. I really wanted a new Reign.
    dude.... Maestro and DW are essentially the same thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    I really want the plushness of Maestro. I just donít think you get that with DW or similar bikes. My Niner is super plush too. But Iím not paying Niner prices anymore. And the new Rip is too short in reach.

    I know DW pedals amazing. But Iím looking for a lazy boy ride over the ruff stuff.

    So disappointing. I really wanted a new Reign.
    I'd not write it off until you try it. Geo numbers can only tell you so much, especially if people are finding some posted numbers to be off.
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    Knowing that DW and Maestro are basically the same thing.. so much that there was a lawsuit. Then why does DW link seem to get described as harsh and Maestro as plush? Iím not arguing, I am asking. My personal opinion is people just repeat what they read on the internet. Iím guilty of this very thing. Having never risen a DW bike, but reading often that they ride harsh or firm.

    Any yes I agree. I need to actually sit on a M and L Reign to test the fit.

    Lastly if DW and link and Maestro are the same, then the Reign and Ripmo AF are very similar bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    Knowing that DW and Maestro are basically the same thing.. so much that there was a lawsuit. Then why does DW link seem to get described as harsh and Maestro as plush? Iím not arguing, I am asking. My personal opinion is people just repeat what they read on the internet. Iím guilty of this very thing. Having never risen a DW bike, but reading often that they ride harsh or firm.
    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    Lastly if DW and link and Maestro are the same, then the Reign and Ripmo AF are very similar bikes.
    i have had a couple of both DW & Maestro and its more about how the engineers place the pivot points for leverage and the shock tuning for which is harsh or plush

    i have a 2016 Giant reign which is harsher than my old linkage driven Single pivot Commencal it replaced.

    but the Iron horse team Sunday was better than a Giant Glory i use to ride

    the difference with the Reign and Ripmo AF...... as described above its all leverage ratios and shock set up even for bikes in the same travel and category

    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    Any yes I agree. I need to actually sit on a M and L Reign to test the fit.
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    You can't making sweeping generalizations regarding suspension style. They're not all the same. Pivot's version of DW feel different than Ibis, which feels different than Turner, etc. You need to ride them to feel the difference and decide what's best for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    Iím really confused by the sizing. Having short legs ,30Ē inseam. With a long torso. 5-10Ē. I will probably be forced to ride a medium. The M has a relatively short reach of 455 but the L is super long at 495. Does that seem odd to anyone else?
    Keep in mind that the Reign 29 has a seat tube angle that is 2.3 degrees steeper than the Trance 29, plus comes stock with a shorter stem. Given the different characteristics of a trail vs enduro bike. I'm guessing that most riders will be okay with the same size between the two. My 2019 Trance Advanced Pro 1 is a large, and I'm anxious to get my hands on a Reign of the same size for a demo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    Knowing that DW and Maestro are basically the same thing.. so much that there was a lawsuit. Then why does DW link seem to get described as harsh and Maestro as plush? Iím not arguing, I am asking. My personal opinion is people just repeat what they read on the internet. Iím guilty of this very thing. Having never risen a DW bike, but reading often that they ride harsh or firm.

    Any yes I agree. I need to actually sit on a M and L Reign to test the fit.

    Lastly if DW and link and Maestro are the same, then the Reign and Ripmo AF are very similar bikes.
    Antisquat values at sag. Pivot's are designed in pheonix for ledgey, desert style riding. Ibis is designed in santacruz where there is a mixture of flowy riding and rooty sustained power climbing. Giant's are (were) mostly designed and tested in socal (thousand oaks) where there are loose conditions and techy climbing which require less antisquat so you maintain traction.

    All are similar bikes from the perspective of dual, counter rotating link frames (dw link and vpp) and all feel very different because of where they are designed. Harshness is purely subjective and it depends on what riding style we're talking about here. If you're a heals down, monster trucker, then DW Link and VPP are going to feel harsh at times. If you're a pump, flow, and float rider that's boosting trail features and un-weighting the bike when appropriate, dw link and vpp are going to feel supportive and not harsh.

    Different strokes for different folks. Never rule out a bike or design until you ride it.

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    Thatís prob the best explanation I have heard. Incidentally I started riding Giants when I lived out in T.O. Havenít made the move to Pivot now that I am in Phnx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    Iím really confused by the sizing. Having short legs ,30Ē inseam. With a long torso. 5-10Ē. I will probably be forced to ride a medium. The M has a relatively short reach of 455 but the L is super long at 495. Does that seem odd to anyone else?
    Let me know how you get on, im the exact same as you. I ride a medium reign 27.5 and it always feels to small for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    Iím really confused by the sizing. Having short legs ,30Ē inseam. With a long torso. 5-10Ē. I will probably be forced to ride a medium. The M has a relatively short reach of 455 but the L is super long at 495. Does that seem odd to anyone else?
    I stopped by the Giant shop in town yesterday and they had a Medium in stock and let me take it out to the parking lot. It actually felt pretty good. When I would move from standing to seated my tendancy was to sit too far back on the seat, but that's probably due to the steeper seat angle than I'm used to. The shop is gonna call when they get a large in stock (hopefully next week) and I'll go try that one out too. I think a 465-470 reach would have been perfect, but I think I could get along with a medium with a 10mm longer stem.

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    I did a parking lot test ride on a Large yesterday. It didn't feel too big or stretched out at all. I was almost surprised that it didn't feel bigger. At 5'10" the large felt like I could ride it as is and the medium felt like I'd like to add another 10mm or so to the stem. I hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aflax View Post
    I did a parking lot test ride on a Large yesterday. It didn't feel too big or stretched out at all. I was almost surprised that it didn't feel bigger. At 5'10" the large felt like I could ride it as is and the medium felt like I'd like to add another 10mm or so to the stem. I hope that helps.
    The steep seat tube angle keeps the effective top tube length to that of a standard large around 640mm or so, that's what you feel when seated. The reach number is more associated with your descending posture.

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    Those of you riding Larges. What is your inseam? Iím not worried about the long reach. Itís the inseam. I have a 30Ē inseam.

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    For those who are interested, OneUp 210mm dropper fits into an aluminum L sized frame fully inserted. It feels miles better, being able to drop seat 210mm instead of stock 150mm. It is finally really out of the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s-master View Post
    For those who are interested, OneUp 210mm dropper fits into an aluminum L sized frame fully inserted. It feels miles better, being able to drop seat 210mm instead of stock 150mm. It is finally really out of the way.
    That's really good to know, thanks. I was trying to find out whether I could run the 210 dropper or if I would have to go with the 180.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aflax View Post
    I stopped by the Giant shop in town yesterday and they had a Medium in stock and let me take it out to the parking lot. It actually felt pretty good. When I would move from standing to seated my tendancy was to sit too far back on the seat, but that's probably due to the steeper seat angle than I'm used to. The shop is gonna call when they get a large in stock (hopefully next week) and I'll go try that one out too. I think a 465-470 reach would have been perfect, but I think I could get along with a medium with a 10mm longer stem.
    Reach is one thing and might feel ok in the parking lot but it would be good to try it on some tight switch backs because that Large is loooong! Depending on the bike your coming from It would take some getting used to, it's 70mm longer then my Large 2016 Norco Range!

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    Anybody in here play with spring weights on a reign sx, mine will hopefully arrive in a week or two and I want to get an idea of what spring rate I should be looking at.

    Just to get an idea, I am 235 lbs geared and I have an aggressive riding style. Either setting king of the mountains on Strava descents or chasing them.

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    Does any one have weight readings for a 2020 Giant Reign Advanced Pro 1, preferably in Medium?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivers2648 View Post
    Does any one have weight readings for a 2020 Giant Reign Advanced Pro 1, preferably in Medium?
    I went to my local shop and pedaled an advanced 1 med around the parking lot and they weighed it 31.58 pounds with some plastic pedals

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    anyone have weights for aluminum frame and/or sx complete?

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    Quote Originally Posted by murrdogg11 View Post
    anyone have weights for aluminum frame and/or sx complete?
    Medium sx weighs in at 35lbs 4oz with no pedals.

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