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    2021 Giant Trance X 29

    Might as well start a new thread since the info is officially out there for the 2021 Trance X 29. Looks like two models so far (Aluminum 2 & 3) for the US.

    https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/bi...ance-x-29-2021

    And some first impressions/reviews from the press...

    https://www.bikemag.com/gear/mountai...GbkwoCwcE40rTA

    https://flowmountainbike.com/tests/f...trance-x-29-2/

    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/giant-...re-travel.html

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    Good Review from Wil - he always does detailed reviews

    https://flowmountainbike.com/tests/f...trance-x-29-2/

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    I think I'll get TX1, can get a good deal here and already have a buyer for my TA1.

    Looking at the flow preview and the weight, TX1 should be much lighter.

    Little analysis:
    X2 weighs 15kg with heavy 36 Rhythm (around 2.3kg kg), 2.5kg wheels, relatively heavy cockpit, brakes and groupset.

    X1 should have 300gr lighter fork, 600-700gr lighter wheels, 200-300gr lighter groupset and 100gr lighter cockpit.

    Take the mrp bash off (150gr), total weight with relatively chunky tires should be around 13.5-13.7kg (with pedals?) which is quite light for such bike.

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    I wonít be buying a bike for a few more months, but Iím a little underwhelmed by the X 3. I am trying to keep the bike under $2500 which that hits, but Iíve heard so many negatives about the SX Eagle. I wish they did the Shimano drivetrain. The rest of the bike is on point with the 2021 Trance 27.5 which is probably going to be my first choice at this point. To get the Eagle drive train decent with the GX spec, I will be spending almost $2500 on the X 3. Maybe I will bite the bullet and spend another $500 on the X 2. That bike looks very nice. I like the color too.

    Now how will I convince myself I need to spend $800 more than the trance 27.5 on this new model!?!

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    I'm curious about the Trance X1, specs on the Croatian distributor site state it comes with Fox Performance Elite 36 GRIP2, however the photo on the Pinkbike article it looks to be FIT4 variant? It's odd.

    Here's a composite I made comparing Trance to Trance X
    Trance X is at 50% opacity and orange one is regular Trance.
    The bikes have been matched at rear axle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave_rh View Post
    Good Review from Wil - he always does detailed reviews

    https://flowmountainbike.com/tests/f...trance-x-29-2/
    Thanks Dave! That was supposed to be my second link, but somehow I linked to the Bike Mag article twice. I have edited my original post to include the Flow article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kxfracer108 View Post
    I wonít be buying a bike for a few more months, but Iím a little underwhelmed by the X 3. I am trying to keep the bike under $2500 which that hits, but Iíve heard so many negatives about the SX Eagle. I wish they did the Shimano drivetrain. The rest of the bike is on point with the 2021 Trance 27.5 which is probably going to be my first choice at this point. To get the Eagle drive train decent with the GX spec, I will be spending almost $2500 on the X 3. Maybe I will bite the bullet and spend another $500 on the X 2. That bike looks very nice. I like the color too.

    Now how will I convince myself I need to spend $800 more than the trance 27.5 on this new model!?!
    SX Eagle is a pretty standard spec on full suspension bikes retailing for under $2500 these days. Before SX was released, you would probably get NX, but the differences between the two seem to be pretty minor. As you stated, GX seems to be a bigger step up. There are a few bikes out there around the $2500 price point that have better drive trains, but it typically comes at the cost of sacrificing on other components.

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    What a disappointment. TX1 comes with Fit4 damper, shop confirmed it today. This puts a damper on my order (pun intended). Seems like X2 is a better buy and then just get even better wheels, decent fork (grip2, pike or lyrik) and ride the groupset till it wears down. The only trouble is the dps shock which is pretty bad even on regular Trance and I wouldn't use it on anything other than xc bike.

    Hmmm I think I'll keep my Trance Advanced Pro, it's fantastic with new Pike 140 and I couldn't care less for few millimeters or half a degree here and there.

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    I mentioned it in the Giant 2021 thread, but I contacted my local dealer and their system is telling them first week of November for availability. I assume if shops had already pre-ordered they'll likely have them sooner.

    Also, I added the info for the 2021 Trance X 29 to the Geometry Geeks database. This should make it a little easier for those wanting to compare geometry with other bikes.

    https://geometrygeeks.bike/bike/gian...e-x-29-2-2021/

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    Quote Originally Posted by rton20s View Post
    SX Eagle is a pretty standard spec on full suspension bikes retailing for under $2500 these days. Before SX was released, you would probably get NX, but the differences between the two seem to be pretty minor. As you stated, GX seems to be a bigger step up. There are a few bikes out there around the $2500 price point that have better drive trains, but it typically comes at the cost of sacrificing on other components.

    I just would have preferred to see the Deore 12 speed instead. I will wait until my LBS gets a few in and Iíll test ride both 27.5 and X 29er and make my decision then.

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    Seems a good step forward in geometry and I like the flip-chip. Presumably that's not all they have done though? Giant never seems to give out much information like whether the frame is stiffer or if the suspension performs better somehow. To my semi untrained eye it looks like the linkage has been tweaked to resist pedalling forces and increase anti-squat over the regular Trance 29?


    Not sure how much I trust those Flow reviews. I sort of got a Trance 29 partly off the back of their positive reviews and pretty photos. Straight away I noticed a few immediately obvious ride characteristics which hadn't been mentioned, like how on earth did they miss this stuff.

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    Care to share what you feel they missed on the Trance 29?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarinCRO View Post
    Hmmm I think I'll keep my Trance Advanced Pro, it's fantastic with new Pike 140
    Is that the regular trance 29? The paint job on the 2021 29er trance advanced pro 2 looks pretty sick! I've heard a lot of good things about the trance 29. My mate has one and he does pretty technical trails. How does the shock go with only 115mm? Ive heard that it feels pretty plush for what it is. A 140 fork on the trance 29 would be interesting. I'm also been checking out the norco optic which has a 140mm pike and the trek fuel ex. I'm thinking a 29er with 130-140mm of travel front and rear would be more than adequate for my needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Bob View Post
    Care to share what you feel they missed on the Trance 29?

    Well, starting to head a bit off topic and this possibly won't be popular on a Giant forum but I had the orange aluminium 2019 Trance 1 and...


    - The rear hub slips badly. A fairly common problem, Giant has known about issues with this DT Swiss freehub for at least 10 years but keeps specing it. Took months to get this sorted out. Obviously I'm not expecting Flow to mention this if they didn't have the issue.
    - The carbon wheels are harsh and not even particularly light. Seems like some companies, not just Giant, are using carbon wheels as window dressing to attract buyers when there's no performance advantage, at least not with these ones, some carbon wheels are amazing. Probably find in a few years Giant brings out new carbon wheels with 'added compliance'. The money would have been better used upgrading the brakes and having a DT ratchet hub to begin with.
    - The frame is flexy around the lower link/BB area. Everything tight and too new for wear. Bikeradar's review noted this as well. Look down while putting some power in and there's noticeable side to side wiggle going on. This is odd as my last Trance was fine.
    - The Giant 35mm bars are stiff as hell. I really don't get 35mm bars, maybe for a heavy rider but otherwise a smooth and comfortable rider is a fast rider. The bars combined with the wheels made rattling down usually easy trails a bit of a handful.
    - The paint chips very easily.
    - Part of the chainstay protector sticks out exactly where my heal passes and taps it.
    - The rear suspension is spongy under pedalling. I think this is the result of low anti-squat but not helped by the flexy lower link/BB area and a shock tune where the middle setting does next to nothing so the choice is either soft or rock hard. It's also harsh and way too progressive with the volume spacer in.


    Some of these were easy enough for me to fix, some weren't. It looked lovely, the geometry was nice and the suspension was poppy but in the end I sold the bike.

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    Interesting to hear what you have to say. Doesnít jive with a lot of use have experienced with the bikes, but we all experience these things differently

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    Yep, undoubtedly a lot of riders will love the Trance and won't notice those things, even prefer it that way. I also imagine it depends what else people have ridden to compare with. Maybe I'm just a serial complainer. Dunno if the normal Trance got reviewed before Will joined Flow from Singletrack. His reviews since have been very detailed and overly stiff wheels came up in the Fuel EX write-up.

    But I do wonder if the Trance X might solve a few of those things. Definitely looks like the linkage is a bit different...but I ain't buying one just to find out.

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    Here are my thoughts on your remarks

    Quote Originally Posted by DenyEverything View Post
    - The rear hub slips badly. A fairly common problem, Giant has known about issues with this DT Swiss freehub for at least 10 years but keeps specing it. Took months to get this sorted out. Obviously I'm not expecting Flow to mention this if they didn't have the issue.
    I never experienced slipping, but I upgraded my hubs to ratchet relatively early on. Are you saying DT Swiss 370 is inherently faulty? Because it's specced on loads of bikes and I can't say there are major issues with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DenyEverything View Post
    - The carbon wheels are harsh and not even particularly light. Seems like some companies, not just Giant, are using carbon wheels as window dressing to attract buyers when there's no performance advantage, at least not with these ones, some carbon wheels are amazing. Probably find in a few years Giant brings out new carbon wheels with 'added compliance'. The money would have been better used upgrading the brakes and having a DT ratchet hub to begin with.
    I'd say TRX wheels are one of the best carbon wheels I've ridden. All carbon wheels are stiff but the Sapim D-Light spokes offer a bit of flex and I can't say they feel particularly harsh and I ride very rocky and chunky terrain. There's very little difference in terms of compliance between these wheels and previous DT Swiss aluminium wheels I've been riding. Just because their advertising isn't up to scratch like some others mentioning "compliance", it doesn't mean the wheels are too stiff.

    Futhermore, I'd gladly take these wheels over any other carbon wheels with some generic pawl hub because these can be easily and relatively cheaply converted to Ratchet System which is fantastic and easy to work with.

    I've been abusing them for over a year with numerous rock strikes and they have been bulletproof, and I'm no lightweight.

    Quote Originally Posted by DenyEverything View Post
    - The frame is flexy around the lower link/BB area. Everything tight and too new for wear. Bikeradar's review noted this as well. Look down while putting some power in and there's noticeable side to side wiggle going on. This is odd as my last Trance was fine.
    I'm riding Advanced Pro 1 so I don't know about alu version, but this one is stiffer than the supposedly stiff Pivot Switchblade that I've had with all the SuperBoost nonsense.

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    - The Giant 35mm bars are stiff as hell. I really don't get 35mm bars, maybe for a heavy rider but otherwise a smooth and comfortable rider is a fast rider. The bars combined with the wheels made rattling down usually easy trails a bit of a handful.
    I can't say they're that bad, but most 35mm bars are stiff and these are generic alu bars that work well. I would've liked if they had specced 31.8mm bars like Specialized does but "standards"...

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    - The paint chips very easily.
    That's true, but so does paint on most new bikes. Not that that's an excuse but I guess that's consequence of general industry penny pinching.

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    - Part of the chainstay protector sticks out exactly where my heal passes and taps it.
    I had issues with that but some multipurpose glue fixed it permanently. The bigger issue is that chainstay protector doesn't extend far enough towards the rear derailleur cable port, but it can be fixed with some 3M tape or rubber adhesive tape..

    Quote Originally Posted by DenyEverything View Post
    - The rear suspension is spongy under pedalling. I think this is the result of low anti-squat but not helped by the flexy lower link/BB area and a shock tune where the middle setting does next to nothing so the choice is either soft or rock hard. It's also harsh and way too progressive with the volume spacer in.
    I guess it depends on your weight and shock setup, but I found it excellent and very efficient for me. If you're light, go for smallest or no volume spacer in the shock. Generally I don't have very good opinion about Fox DPS shock so it's probably better to use some other shock or have DPS tuned to your weight.

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    I'm not saying they aren't good strong wheels but they are vertically harsh, no doubt about it. Mostly this is down to the rim but the spokes play a part. I'd be surprised if mine had D-Lights, that would indeed change the feel and drop a good chunk of weight. Looked more like Sapim Race or DT Comp. Maybe you have a higher model wheelset? What I can say is swapping to Traverse SL carbon, Stans aluminium or any other wheels I've had and riding over some roots feels like 5-10psi taken out of the tires.

    In the end I upgraded to the ratchet as well. I've had DT 370 before and they've been fine, this time not. Look around the interweb and way too many riders find they slip or fail, including this forum. First I read about them slipping was Grannygear on Twenty Nine Inches 10 years ago, funnily enough also reviewing a Giant at the time. Think they've had long enough to sort it out.

    I should imagine your carbon frame is stiffer, the aluminium one not so much.

    I'm 72kg so not that heavy. Tried a few different volume spacers but ended up taking it out completely. Should really have gotten the shock re-tuned so the middle setting did something but in light of the other issues and the fact that I wasn't short on bikes at the time I decided to sell.

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    Don't agree on the wheels. The trx1 wheels that came on my trance adv 29 pro 2 are just about as good as the SC reserves I have in my fleet. I have 3 carbon wheelsets at the moment and have ridden many carbon wheelsets in my career. The TRX1's are up there in terms of ride quality and durability. They make some odd resonance and noises from time to time, especially if the chain is slapping them, but they perform admirably. Weight is average, but I haven't broken them yet, so I'd say weight is in line with other durable wheel sets.

    Regarding pedaling performance, the trance 29 is a pretty solid pedaler. Maestro has been always a little vague in the mid stroke, but that's what gives it the quality of erasing small trail chatter at mid speeds.

    The trance 29 is quite flexy across the board. Not really in a bad way in my opinion, but the carbon model is more flexy then other bikes in the category. the aluminum bike is noticeably more flexy then the carbon model. My only experience with the aluminum model was at the industry launch event here in socal. Since then I've been riding the carbon bike and while I notice the frame flexing when climbing off my megatower and onto my trance, i never perceive it as being detrimental to the ride.

    Regarding paint... yeah, this generation of giant is allergic to paint. It's advisable to put frame protection on the bike as soon as you get it if you're particular about that. The choice to use a white primer under a color coat was not a good one.

    Regarding suspension tuning and volume reducers... you are 8kg (16lbs) lighter then I am. I too chased removing volume reducers as I was initially tuning my trance 29. Overall, I found that the bike performs the best when I start ignoring the amount of travel used and pay more attention to sag and how hte bike feels. Yes, you can remove volume spacers in the shock so that you start bottoming it out more often and usually that also brings with it starting to feel the bottom out events. For me, It's best if I leave some progression in the suspension and let the shock ride high in its' travel. I only use full travel when I really screw up. In my opinion, after living with the trance for over a year, that's what the giant engineers were going for. They seem to have wanted a bike that hide it's 115mm of rear travel and would allow you to go bigger then the numbers would suggest. To that end, I think they are intending to leave 5mm of travel on the table for when things go completely sideways and you inevitably remember at the last second, that you're on a bike with 4.5" of travel.

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    I think really the ride quality of wheels depends what else you've ridden to compare them to and personal preference. If you like stiff and built to last then these or the SC Reserves will be great. If you want a smoother feel like aluminium and lighter then carbon Mavic, Stans, the older Rovals I have are a lot lighter and smoother without loosing much in lateral stiffness. A lot of carbon wheels now prioritise durability over weight or ride feel and compliance. I know Santa Cruz did this from the start. Possibly in Giant and Trek's case they've also gone this way due to the large number of failures with the previous generation carbon rims. It's a bit like steel frames, go back a few years there used to be plenty of springy, relatively light frames with a great ride feel. Now they're mostly built like bricks to pass tests brought in a few years ago that are basically based on a 250lb rider treating it like a dirt jumper. As designs and engineering improve ride feel will come back into consideration like we're seeing from Zipp and Crank Brothers. Generally pro enduro or downhill riders don't favour the stiffest wheels.

    Yeah I noticed the white primer made scratches look worse than they otherwise would. It seemed to chip or flake off way too easily even for this kind of paint. Once there was a small chip I could pick more off with my fingers, not a whole lot holding it on the aluminium. Bit surprised about this and obviously found out too late for frame protection. I've actually had 5 previous Trance models, most have been anodized or clear coat over brushed, much tougher. So Giant knows how to do things properly lol

    Had no problems with the mid stroke support or bottoming out without volume spacers. For me no spacers with the correct sag was about right as it used most of the travel when needed but didn't bottom out. The soft sluggish pedalling is the shock tune, some wasted energy going into frame flex and the slightly low anti-squat. It's just not as crisp and solid to pedal as many other bikes these days.

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    Regarding TRX-1 wheels. They weigh about 1750gr converted to ratchet system including tape and valves.
    That is around the same weight as new carbon DT Swiss XMC 1501 - wheelset that costs over 1000Ä and which comes with lighter centerlock hubs (but carries a penalty of slightly heavier rotors) and comes with 120kg system weight limit.

    The very same rims are the same as ones on more expensive TRX-0 wheelset.

    You can sell the hubs or delegate them to some other bike and rebuild a wheel using ZTTO M1 ratchet hubs that are under 370gr a pair and feature 54T ratchet.
    Pair of those can be had for just 100$ and if the ratchets turn out to be made out of cheese, you can just replace them with original DT Swiss.

    I would gladly take 100gr heavier wheelset over flimsy one that's prone to cracking and so far TRX-1 have proven very durable and care free.

    You'd be hard pressed to find such good wheelset on a bike that's priced so low, heck any decent carbon wheelset is >1000Ä.

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    XMC 1501 are actually 1639g in the same configuration, with heavier spokes. Roval were 1560g, considerably cheaper and with a DT ratchet hub. As it turns out the specs list Sapim Laser spokes for the TRX1 wheels, assuming that's the same as what comes on the bike. Which given the overall claimed weight indicates the rim must be fairly heavy for carbon. So, heavy rims with a harsh ride quality and freehub issues...what's the point? As above, I think it's window dressing. The bike would ride nicer with a decent set of aluminium wheels, which could easily hit the same weight for less cost and the remaining money used to upgrade something else.

    It's all too predictable that fanboys should pop up as soon as someone dares to post what I did on a forum like this. You guys don't need to pick apart my honest findings from the bike, I wasn't here to bash Giant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DenyEverything View Post
    XMC 1501 are actually 1639g in the same configuration, with heavier spokes. Roval were 1560g, considerably cheaper and with a DT ratchet hub. As it turns out the specs list Sapim Laser spokes for the TRX1 wheels, assuming that's the same as what comes on the bike. Which given the overall claimed weight indicates the rim must be fairly heavy for carbon. So, heavy rims with a harsh ride quality and freehub issues...what's the point? As above, I think it's window dressing. The bike would ride nicer with a decent set of aluminium wheels, which could easily hit the same weight for less cost and the remaining money used to upgrade something else.

    It's all too predictable that fanboys should pop up as soon as someone dares to post what I did on a forum like this. You guys don't need to pick apart my honest findings from the bike, I wasn't here to bash Giant.
    I'm not trying to pick anything apart, I just disagree with you. I can't own wheelsets with carbon hoops that are under about 450g and aluminum hoops around 500-520g. There may be a few out there, but I've broken enough rims of both kinds to know what my riding style and terrain will allow.

    To me, carbon wheels that do not break are not window dressing. Carbon wheels add stiffness and directness to the bike that can be felt in many different places. There are certainly carbon wheels out there that are genuinely harsh (original enve's, original light bicycle wheels, etc) but the giant wheels are not what I would call harsh.

    They are comparable and competitive to many wheels on the market for harder hitting bikes. The trance x 29 and the trance 29 (despite the travel category) are very much, hard hitting bikes. They are worthy of wheels that can handle a few rim strikes without exploding and have current trend width and weights.

    You listed some wheel brands that have had massive problems with carbon wheel durability, "Mavic, Stans, the older Rovals" All of those manufacturers are wheel brands I will not touch because I am certain (and i say this from experience, not a hunch) that I will destroy them. Likewise, you mentioned bontrager's carbon wheels and again, those are some of the most fragile wheels that I am aware of.

    Overall in the last 12 months, there is a general trend of carbon products gaining in weight when compared to the comparative alloy products. Despite this, the current breed of products is an improvement in durability, performance and ride feel. Weight is simply something that is less of an issue as it previously was. My hunch, is that you won't see rims under 400g for very long as consumer's patience for brittle, expensive wheels is waning. Evidenced by the introduction of wheels like the Zipp 3-Zero motos.

    I digress... just because I/We disagree with you, does not make any of us fanboi's. I have no brand loyalty other then what's available at my local bike shop. I simply do not find carbon wheels of this caliber as window dressing. Light weight wheels are a huge upgrade to any bike and are far more expensive and difficult for new consumers to upgrade. I think it makes decent sense to give up some spec/cost/weight in say drivetrain, to provide consumers with a lighter weight wheelset where rolling and un-sprung weight is reduced and the bike feels snappier as a result.

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    Actually Roval Traverse rims aren't known for failing. Where they saved weight was less/lighter spokes and plugs instead of rim tape. The rim is already on the heavier stronger side for carbon. Stans carbons are also fairly strong.

    As I say these wheels are harsh, I'm not imagining that. Maybe some day you will ride wheels that bring realisation. Passed a certain point laterally excessively stiff wheels are not desirable for cornering control. There needs to be some movement to track the ground when lent over. This is designed into motorbikes so they don't slide out at high speed crossing road undulations. Dirt bikes have rims that tilt like Zipp now do. But really more noticeable with these is vertically over bumps TRX rims are unforgiving. The carbon layup and deep rim profile cause this. This makes the bike slower, more difficult to control and less comfortable. Maybe a heavier rider would get more out of them. Aluminium wheels can be built just as strong, same weight, cheaper but with a smoother ride. If they do take a big impact it's more likely to cause a small dent that can often be pulled back out rather than a crack.

    If you're destroying rims and consider the Trance hard hitting you need a beefier bike. It's a short travel trail bike. Remember the frame is fairly light, even the aluminium version. Some riders are getting confused as geometry is modernised as to what the bikes are really intended for. One clue is in the fork. If it was meant to be ridden like a Transition Smuggler it would come with a 36.

    The drivetrain is a consumable wear and tear item that can be upgraded over time. Better brakes would make a more worthwhile upgrade over carbon wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DenyEverything View Post
    XMC 1501 are actually 1639g in the same configuration, with heavier spokes. Roval were 1560g, considerably cheaper and with a DT ratchet hub.
    DT are 1639g according to manufacturer without tape and valves, so probably over 1700 with those and that's with new EXP ratchet.

    Rovals with DT Swiss 350 are around 1800, so heavier than these and Traverse SL are around 1600$ and weigh 1735gr, same as Giant, so I don't know where you're coming from.

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    A detailed video of the Trance X 29 2:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSm-xC6E45Y

    Edit: Not my video, but the presenter does a bang-up job.
    Last edited by voices; 08-11-2020 at 05:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarinCRO View Post
    DT are 1639g according to manufacturer without tape and valves, so probably over 1700 with those and that's with new EXP ratchet.

    Rovals with DT Swiss 350 are around 1800, so heavier than these and Traverse SL are around 1600$ and weigh 1735gr, same as Giant, so I don't know where you're coming from.
    No, as noted above I have older Rovals which are 1560g, 30mm and cheaper than all of these just last year. The same ones their EWS team used and couldn't break where other teams needed new wheels every race. The new ones have heavier spokes and hubs and now use tape rather than plugs.

    Don't see where it says DT weigh without tape, that's silly, but as above, they're using much heavier spokes than Giant which means more weight must be in the TRX rim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voices View Post
    A detailed video of the Trance X 29 2:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSm-xC6E45Y
    I really enjoyed the vibe and content of this review. I don't know that trail system, but the guy seemed like the kind of rider I can identify with, and I really liked that he compared to the Trance Adv Pro 29 1 (which happens to be my current bike).

    Edit: I realize it's possible that *you* are the content creator, so maybe "the guy" wasn't the right way to address the reviewer.

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    It's a shame this wasn't the Trance 29 that came out in 2019. It has suspension travel that seems more fitting of a bike with the Trance name. Everyone raised an eyebrow when the Trance 29 came out with "only" 115 mm, while the Trance 27.5's had 140mm. It was such a big difference. Something like this new Trance X with 135mm would've been a much more natural fit back then. A lot of people said Giant couldn't figure out how to put more than 115mm of quality suspension at the back in 2019, so now that the Reign and this Trance X are out, it looks like they figured it out.

    The 115mm Trance 29 was one of top contenders when I finally bought a new bike last year, but ended up getting a 2020 Orbea Occam (and not a single regret). Had I known the Trance X was right around the corner, I may have waited. Always had a soft spot for Giants - my first 2 serious bikes were Giants and its what got me into this love affair with bikes.
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    Some prefer the light, fast bikes and Trance 29 fits that role perfectly, but it's still capable of getting rowdy.
    Personally I'm not a fan of "endurificating" trail bikes where you're left with 15kg porker with 2.5Ē 1kg+ tires, 2kg+ wheels and fork that feels dead everywhere except on very steep terrain at high speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarinCRO View Post
    Some prefer the light, fast bikes and Trance 29 fits that role perfectly, but it's still capable of getting rowdy.
    Personally I'm not a fan of "endurificating" trail bikes where you're left with 15kg porker with 2.5Ē 1kg+ tires, 2kg+ wheels and fork that feels dead everywhere except on very steep terrain at high speed.
    I totally get it and agree, being over-biked can quickly take the fun out of a trail. The light weight (for aluminum, compared to similar bikes) was another reason the regular Trance 29 was so high on my list. Looking at the parts spec of a Trance X, the fact that it only comes with >34mm forks set the tone for what they think this bike can do.

    At the same time, my paradigm got shifted pretty hard when I got the Occam. It's 3 lbs heavier than my old 26er Trance, and yet I'm faster and less tired on every climb. The 2 bikes are 11 years apart. Maybe it's the 29er momentum, maybe it's the new-school geo, or maybe it's the anti-squat and kinematics voodoo, but it's made me rethink what I thought about bike weight.
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    It's huge leap from old 26" bikes to new modern 29er and couple of pounds don't matter much.

    However, riding modern short travel 29er that's around 12kg (my Trance Advanced 29 Pro) vs more aggressive trail-duro bike such as Trance X that's 3kg heavier doesn't mean new bike is better at everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarinCRO View Post
    Some prefer the light, fast bikes and Trance 29 fits that role perfectly, but it's still capable of getting rowdy.
    Personally I'm not a fan of "endurificating" trail bikes where you're left with 15kg porker with 2.5Ē 1kg+ tires, 2kg+ wheels and fork that feels dead everywhere except on very steep terrain at high speed.
    Itís all relative, itís just a continuum. Some might use the same logic to pick the Trance X as a lighter, nimbler alternative to the Reign.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarinCRO View Post
    However, riding modern short travel 29er that's around 12kg (my Trance Advanced 29 Pro) vs more aggressive trail-duro bike such as Trance X that's 3kg heavier doesn't mean new bike is better at everything.
    Itís hardly fair to compare the weights of an aluminum Trance X 2 to a carbon Trance Advanced model. Letís see where the Trance X Advanced models end up and then we can debate whether the as-of-now-unknown weight difference between bikes at the same pricing tier is worth it.

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    Wasn't even close to thinking of upgrading my 2018 Trance 2 27.5, but boy has this thing got me thinking.
    Seems to address my only complaint with the 27.5, which is the seat angle.
    Can't wait till I can get a ride on one to compare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarinCRO View Post
    It's huge leap from old 26" bikes to new modern 29er and couple of pounds don't matter much.

    However, riding modern short travel 29er that's around 12kg (my Trance Advanced 29 Pro) vs more aggressive trail-duro bike such as Trance X that's 3kg heavier doesn't mean new bike is better at everything.
    I'm sure the dramatic improvement in getting a bike 10+ years newer has got me in a honeymoon phase. I imagine if I started riding all sorts of modern bikes, I can start to see their differences relative to each other. Those differences come out the more things we have to compare with.

    I almost ended up on am aluminum Trance 29. I test rode one in a bike shop parking lot for a few laps. If felt good, but that doesn't reveal much about how it would do on a trail. The shop didn't rent out bikes, so I never would've known. It was the last model in their inventory, and the next day it sold. There were no other Trance 29s nearby during this Great Bike Shortage of 2020, so I had to find another bike.
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    Oh Boy......

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    ^That looks great.
    I'm picking up a Trance X 3 soon. Took it for a test ride and it felt nice, can't wait to get it on some trails.
    Lots of bike for the money.
    I'm not worried about weight, and it was considerably light for what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by damond View Post
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    Definitely more info required! Where are those pics from? I tried a few different locations on Giant's website, and they donít seem to be posted yet.

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    What is that little box under the top tube? on the blue bike.

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    Fox Live Valve battery and controller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarinCRO View Post
    What a disappointment. TX1 comes with Fit4 damper, shop confirmed it today. This puts a damper on my order (pun intended). Seems like X2 is a better buy and then just get even better wheels, decent fork (grip2, pike or lyrik) and ride the groupset till it wears down. The only trouble is the dps shock which is pretty bad even on regular Trance and I wouldn't use it on anything other than xc bike.

    Hmmm I think I'll keep my Trance Advanced Pro, it's fantastic with new Pike 140 and I couldn't care less for few millimeters or half a degree here and there.
    what is wrong with Fit4 damper?

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    I talked to my dealer again over the weekend and it looks like availability on the Trance X 29 2 is pushed out to March of next year.

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    Hi guys,
    I plan a big upgrade and I am in my selection process, trying to understand what will fit to me best, and I am choosing between the Trance and Trance X.
    I am an average not a pro rider, weight about 60kg and ride mostly XC terrain 80%, but despite I ride trail terrain not often I like it very much and in MTB I prefer to have a little bit more travel and more relaxed sit position rather than very aggressive speedy position like XC. So for sure, the Trance won't be a bad choice for me but I wonder - may be the Trance X will be pretty interesting also.
    Since 2010 I ride the only bike - 2010 Reign 1 which is [email protected] and [email protected] and has way different old school geometry, and one of the main thing is - that I want the new bike, that must not be much harder to ride for a long distances over 60km as my current Reign on a flat terrain. Even though 2010 Reign has 150mm of rear travel which is crazy for XC, I pretty much like it and have a little worries about 115mm on Trance, so the Trance X I think is perfect for me in terms of rear travel.
    But the most worries I have about the fork, about the thing that 36 type fork is pretty dead in short travel so it will perform poorly as an XC fork. Can some one describe the difference, between the 34 vs 36 fork on XC/trail terrain? Is 36 fork will perform really bad in first 80mm of travel than 34 fork? Or am I getting this wrong, and 36 fork will be more plush than the 34 or XC fork in short travel range?
    The other thing is I like about Trance X, is a flip chip. I donít think that I really much need the 65.5 angle on a flat and low speed terrain and that flip chip will allow to change it for more suitable angle.
    My current bike is 14.5kg and after changing the tires on Trance X it will be around 14.8kg, so I am ok with it.
    At last, I do like the look of the Trance X frame more than the Trance.
    So what is your thoughts on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaumaturge View Post
    Definitely more info required! Where are those pics from? I tried a few different locations on Giant's website, and they donít seem to be posted yet.
    I spoke to an LBS today and they gave me a bit of info on the upcoming Adv Pro 1. Didnít have exact spec list but expected a 36 elite/dpx2, either xt or gx and carbon wheels. $6600 CDN. Seems to jive with what I can see from the pics posted.

    Just in ďpreorderĒ status with no ETA yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatMike1912 View Post
    I spoke to an LBS today and they gave me a bit of info on the upcoming Adv Pro 1. Didnít have exact spec list but expected a 36 elite/dpx2, either xt or gx and carbon wheels. $6600 CDN. Seems to jive with what I can see from the pics posted.

    Just in ďpreorderĒ status with no ETA yet
    Awesome info, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatMike1912 View Post
    I spoke to an LBS today and they gave me a bit of info on the upcoming Adv Pro 1. Didnít have exact spec list but expected a 36 elite/dpx2, either xt or gx and carbon wheels. $6600 CDN. Seems to jive with what I can see from the pics posted.

    Just in ďpreorderĒ status with no ETA yet
    I just posted this in the Giant 2021 thread:

    https://forums.mtbr.com/giant/giant-...l#post14938483

    Info is likely incorrect on those links but it does state geometry has been updated, so here's hoping some of it is correct.

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    Kinda skimmed through this, but didn't see that any of you got yours yet. I received mine this past Saturday and have one ride on it. I put my order in the Friday after it was announced (so 2 days later) and got it a week later. They originally told me I'd have to wait until November, but when the owner of the shop talked to their rep, they said they could get one in much, much earlier.

    I bought the 3. I'm neurotic and change components out to what I know I vibe with. I like Magura brakes, already had an unused Yari meant for my hardtail laying around that I'm putting on the Trance X instead now, and am planning on going with Advent X because I'm a broke medical student (I know... I just dropped $2k on a bike, but I worked my ass off during this last summer break since I have to jump into rotations after my second year ends). I could've done Deore 12 with a Sunrace cassette to closely match the weight of doing Advent X, but this is still cheaper and I don't care about the very, very little loss in range and spacing. I just don't mess w/ plastic derailleurs anymore and I wanted to drop ~200g off the swingarm. All in all, the upgrades I've already ordered are Magura MT5s with Storm HC rotors, Advent X, new Yari with new Debonair and a charger 2.1 on the way.


    Anyway, it rides great. I'm not getting rid of my Trek Stache for flowy, smooth trails and all day rides. I was going to get the Trance 29 (non-X) because I love the idea of downcountry but right before I was gonna head to my bike shop I saw the rumors about this bike the week before it came out. I went with this because I don't own a bike that I can take to CO or AZ and do the bigger stuff. KS is also really technical and rocky around the KC area so I still have a use for it (although I've been killing it on my Stache and I feel bad). I'm excited to try it in high mode.

    Regarding how it rides, it's not like a toned down enduro bike. I've ridden the Jeffsey which is definitely like a toned down enduro bike, and this is more trail oriented. It pedals really well and the suspension is more playful than the Jeffsey. My only experience with Giant before this is renting a Trance 29 every time I ride in Scottsdale, AZ. I would say this pedals pretty damn close to it's efficiency in firm mode. Like I said though, I've only got one ride so far because this is my exam week. I'm gonna see how it pedals in open mode because I know the Trance 29 pedaled pretty damn well in that mode too. I understand this is all over the place; sorry, it's late.

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    I'll be getting the Trance x 29 2 later today, and I was able to demo it yesterday at my shop where I live. Its a really bouncy bike, and it seems to really wants to do as much as possible. In my opinion, the coloring (dark green and black) are really nice. It is definitely a very comfortable bike to ride.

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    I'm gonna see how it pedals in open mode because I know the Trance 29 pedaled pretty damn well in that mode too.

    Will be waiting for your opinion, how it pedals comparing to the Trance.

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    Looks like you guys are pretty fortunate to be getting the bikes so quickly. My local dealer is telling me they won't be able to get one until spring of next year. I want to support them as they are always good to work with, but I think at this point, I'm going to pass on the Giant and go a little bigger with a Ripmo AF from a different dealer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rton20s View Post
    Looks like you guys are pretty fortunate to be getting the bikes so quickly. My local dealer is telling me they won't be able to get one until spring of next year. I want to support them as they are always good to work with, but I think at this point, I'm going to pass on the Giant and go a little bigger with a Ripmo AF from a different dealer.
    Yeah, I wouldn't blame you. I had a of bad luck with bikes I was wanting disappearing literally on my drive to the bike shop because people are buying them like crazy.

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    Video over viewing the Trance X 3 for US market:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt3FNj81khU

    2300 US..

    So Trace 3 or Trance X 3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwaarna View Post
    So Trace 3 or Trance X 3?
    I got the Trance X 2 and it rides like a dream; maybe try something new and take a run for your money.

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    Sizing guide Trance X

    I may be opening up a can of worms here but I'd appreciate some feedback on what size new Trance X owners chose, based on their own dimensions!
    I'm generally smack bang in between M and L Giant bikes; around 5'10" or +-178cm tall.
    My 2015 Reign (27.5) is a medium with a reach of 444mm. It's too small for me.
    In the "low" setting (can't imagine myself running anything else ) the Trance X M has a reach of 456mm and the L 486mm.
    However...the seat angle is way steeper on the new Trance X. I have a major amount of seatpost outside the frame which effectively slackens my Reign's seat angle even more. Also have the seat moved a little further back on the rails plus running 800mm bars for stretch...
    Any thoughts on a M + 50mm stem (stock is 40mm) or L + 40mm (stock is 50mm) stem?
    First prize is to size them both in the LBS of course!
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    Quote Originally Posted by goatman View Post
    I'm generally smack bang in between M and L Giant bikes; around 5'10" or 178cm tall.
    My 2015 Reign (27.5) is a medium with a reach of 444mm. It's too small for me.
    I have a very similar problem. I currently have a Trance 2015 M which is also too small for me (179cm), also because my inseam is quite long at 89cm, so I too have my seat post all the way out. I am almost certainly going to get an L Trance X. I'll try to test one before buying, though.

    How long are your legs compared to mine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaxe View Post
    How long are your legs compared to mine?
    My inseam measures 81cm
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    Quote Originally Posted by mwaarna View Post
    Video over viewing the Trance X 3 for US market:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt3FNj81khU

    2300 US..

    So Trace 3 or Trance X 3?
    Trance 29 3 is a better value IMO than the X. The Z2 is a better fork than the 35 Gold, and Deore drivetrain is better than SX, and it's a less expensive bike out of the gate. Nice to see the regular Trance get an upgrade to 4 pot front brakes and wider rims for 2021. The 2021 is a better value than even the 2020 model! If I were to get the X, I'd easily jump to the X2 for the $700 difference. Id stick with the 3 though for the non X.

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    I got my Trance X 3 the other day - what a fun bike. It really climbs and pedals well. It's comfortable and stable. Still messing around with the fork air pressure - I've never had a fork with more than 100mm travel, so it's a new experience.
    Honestly, quite the bang for your buck bike too.

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    Here's my Trance X 3

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    Second ride in (same route as my first one) and I flipped the shock switch some. I think in my previous post I said I had it in firm? I had it in whatever other shocks call trail (middle setting) on my first ride. Here's what I found doing all sorts of different sections. I'll compare it to the 5 rides I've done on a Trance 29:

    "Locked" (most firm): Uh, yeah what you'd expect. Not that useful unless it's a fire road. Even the most minimally technical climbs should be done in the middle setting.

    Middle/medium/trail/whatever: Great. Definitely should be here most of the time. I notice very, very little difference (if any) in efficiency between this and locked. Keep in mind, I've only ever owned hardtails so I'm pretty sensitive to anything that sucks energy. I'd say this rides just as efficiently as the T29 in this setting.

    Open: Sucks for pedaling. On flat ground it's incredibly noticeable more difficult. I didn't really even like it for a super rocky technical climb. I'd rather have it in the middle setting. When descending though, it's fantastic.

    Overall, I prefer middle and open to be different. It actually allows you to be specific in how it rides. I'm not a huge fan of these longer wheelbase bikes for a lot of my trails, but it's still perfectly doable. Once I get comfortable with the tires and leaning it harder just to get around some stuff I could just lightly lean on with my Stache then I'm sure I'll be happier. With the larger changes the flip chip makes compared to other bikes with flip-chips, I'll try it in high and see what that does. Still love the bike.

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    I'm 177 cm and I bought a medium. I have a 31 inch inseam. It fits perfectly. I wouldn't have ever wanted to size up to a L.

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    For what it's worth, I went to a local shop on Saturday to look at the Trance X. They have both the 2 and 3 in my size (XL), but only the 3 is built up. We threw it on a scale, and with some cheap aluminum test platforms installed it came in at 24 lb 11 oz, which is lighter than I expected for the cheaper model, after having read the Flow review. Is it possible that the 3 actually weighs less than the 2? Is the Gold 35 lighter than a Fox 36?

    Weight isn't the deciding factor for me--if I buy it this week, I'm being the 2 without a doubt, but I'm curious about what to expect once it's built.

    EDIT - 34 pounds, not 24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ejeppsen View Post
    For what it's worth, I went to a local shop on Saturday to look at the Trance X. They have both the 2 and 3 in my size (XL), but only the 3 is built up. We threw it on a scale, and with some cheap aluminum test platforms installed it came in at 24 lb 11 oz, which is lighter than I expected for the cheaper model, after having read the Flow review. Is it possible that the 3 actually weighs less than the 2? Is the Gold 35 lighter than a Fox 36?

    Weight isn't the deciding factor for me--if I buy it this week, I'm being the 2 without a doubt, but I'm curious about what to expect once it's built.
    You surely mean 34 lbs? There is absolutely no way anyone could get this bike to 24 pounds and be ride-able.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conman1395 View Post
    You surely mean 34 lbs? There is absolutely no way anyone could get this bike to 24 pounds and be ride-able.
    Yes, yes I did mean 34 pounds

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    This seems exactly like the bike I was looking for for a while. Was really split between the 2020 Trance 29er and the Reign but could not really warm up to either.
    The 2021 Trance X seems the perfect fit in between for me. However really looking forward to the carbon versions... any ideas when the specs on those might be known and, in particular (considering the weight of the X2 and X3), what might be the weight savings with better specced carbon models?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowman1235 View Post
    This seems exactly like the bike I was looking for for a while. Was really split between the 2020 Trance 29er and the Reign but could not really warm up to either.
    The 2021 Trance X seems the perfect fit in between for me. However really looking forward to the carbon versions... any ideas when the specs on those might be known and, in particular (considering the weight of the X2 and X3), what might be the weight savings with better specced carbon models?
    I have seen some European distributors webpages with all the specs and photos for the advanced versions.... as well as for the Trance X E+.

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    Got really lucky, my local shop had one large and one medium left. Which worked out perfect because I'm 5'11" and was split on sizing.

    Ended up going with the large. I have shorter legs (30" inseam) so I have the dropper slammed to the collar, but I have longer torso and arms so the reach felt much better. Medium felt okay but a little cramped overall. The large felt longer and like it would be more stable when the trail gets rowdy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcgmc View Post
    I have seen some European distributors webpages with all the specs and photos for the advanced versions.... as well as for the Trance X E+.
    Can you tell us what those distributors names are? Or maybe a link to their website?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeeyeemtb View Post
    Can you tell us what those distributors names are? Or maybe a link to their website?
    I would also love to see that!
    @mcgmc pls share some links if you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WY228 View Post
    Got really lucky, my local shop had one large and one medium left. Which worked out perfect because I'm 5'11" and was split on sizing.

    Ended up going with the large. I have shorter legs (30" inseam) so I have the dropper slammed to the collar, but I have longer torso and arms so the reach felt much better. Medium felt okay but a little cramped overall. The large felt longer and like it would be more stable when the trail gets rowdy.
    Thanks for your feedback, bike looks great
    I'm waiting for LBS to get some models in, might end up on a large with a 40mm stem! Other option is a medium with a 50mm stem...
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    I found only this french page with Trance X 1 and prices:
    https://www.giant-bicycles.com/fr/bi...ance-x-29-2021

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    Quote Originally Posted by goatman View Post
    Thanks for your feedback, bike looks great
    I'm waiting for LBS to get some models in, might end up on a large with a 40mm stem! Other option is a medium with a 50mm stem...
    Thanks! I'll probably end up with a 40mm stem on mine also just because that's what my previous bikes had and I love the steering feel of short stems. But want to give the 50 a try first.

    With the medium I was thinking I'd likely need a 60mm stem to get comfortable but I think a longer stem wouldn't mesh with this bike and the type of riding I do.

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    Still no Advanced models specs?

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    Based on the photo above and lots of speculation:

    Advanced 0 - XTR/XT build (aka just an XTR rear derailleur), Fox Factory 36/DPX2 with Live Valve, carbon wheels with at best a DT 350 (star ratchet) hub - $10kish?

    Advanced 1 - GX build with Guide , Fox Performance 36/DPX2, carbon wheels with probably the DT 360 (3 pawl) wheel - $5500-6000?

    Advanced 2 - SX or NX build, Rock Shox Pike Select/Deluxe (no piggyback), carbon wheels (hopefully!) with a DT 360 or lower hub (definitely pawls, hopefully not a Dimension hub) - $4000ish

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    Iíll probably be chasing the model Advanced Pro 1 (0 is out of my budget).

    From these guesses and other similar builds, what could be weaknesses & upgrade opportunities? And the eternal question: what is your take on GX instead of XT? Similar value & performance or a significant compromise? Itís been quite some time since I bought a new bike and there seems to be a continuius tweaking to the GX and XT lines...

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    Quick update. I bought the 2 on Saturday, size XL. The guy at the shop threw it on the scale, and it weighed 33.8 pounds with the cheap alloy tester pedals on. Not a featherweight, but that seems pretty reasonable for such a large bike.

    This is my first mountain bike in about a decade, since I'm getting back into things but for comparison, I believe my 2009 Anthem X1 (with 26 inch wheels) weighed a bit under 28 pounds with an XL frame. An extra 6 pounds or so for a burlier, longer travel bike with properly sized wheels seems great, especially since I no longer have any racing aspirations.

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    I had been reading this thread a week or so ago, seeing if these unicorns existed, how they fit size wise, etc....thought I'd give an update on my experience on just getting one

    If you want an X - call around. The industry is a madhouse and all shops might not have, want, or be getting up-to-date info. For weeks, I got varying versions of the same story from the local shops I tried - no idea, week 17 (next year), Giant shouldn't have announced it so soon, you should try a Trance 29 - but we don't have those either...

    I gave up on the X and on advice from a friend, looked for the Trance 29, in fact it was probably a better bike for my riding style, but at 200lb and a gift for finding bad lines, I can appreciate a little more travel if I could find the X

    I found a shop in SoCal/L.A. area that had Large Trance 29 3 on their site, and ordered it for pick-up on a Friday and brought it home...and the next Monday at work my browser still had Giant's X 29 page open and I noticed the page was different... in a weekend, the Trance X went from "Email me when available" to a drop down for sizes and shops.

    Stocks and Bikes - I guess my timing sucks on both

    So I re-checked the shop I just got the Trance 29 from and on-line and they now showed an X's' in stock, every size - that changed in 2 days also

    I called and by luck got the manager, he listened, asked what model and size I wanted, confirmed he was able to get it and swapped out the bike I just took home and I now have a Large Trance X 29 2.

    In summary , they are out in the wild.

    As for sizing - I'm sort of a tweener also - but decided to go with a L (never sat on a medium BTW)

    I'm 5'9" (177cm) with 29" (73.5cm) inseam , 71" (180cm) wingspan - so shorter legs longer torso and the Large seems comfortable cockpit wise

    The dropper, however, is too long for me, it's a 170cm and even slammed, it's full extension is about an inch too much - so I ass adjust it on the fly for now

    After taking this home, here is my $.02 on the size and if you're a tweener
    If you want a L and want to get a shorter dropper post - that easily $200+
    If you want a M and want 10-20 mm of stem - that's alot less

    If you want more wheelbase, go with the L, the wheelbase is almost 1.5" difference between the two.

    Hope that helps

    Good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by uglyweld View Post
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    I found a shop in SoCal/L.A. area that had Large Trance 29 3 on their site, and ordered it for pick-up on a Friday and brought it home...and the next Monday at work my browser still had Giant's X 29 page open and I noticed the page was different... in a weekend, the Trance X went from "Email me when available" to a drop down for sizes and shops.
    I mean, my local dealer didn't even list the Trance x 29 2 before I went to the shop. I was just there really to demo some bikes to find my fit, and the guy at the shop all of a sudden says "yeah, we also have the new Trance X if you wanna try it." I was completely taken by suprise since I thought that bike wouldn't be in shops until later. After I got the bike, I took a look at the site again and saw that the three was listed.

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    Looking through this thread yet again, the Trance X 29 seems to be a pretty elusive bike to me. What do you guys think when it comes to how hard it is to find this bike in a shop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ekoostick View Post
    Based on the photo above and lots of speculation:

    Advanced 0 - XTR/XT build (aka just an XTR rear derailleur), Fox Factory 36/DPX2 with Live Valve, carbon wheels with at best a DT 350 (star ratchet) hub - $10kish?

    Advanced 1 - GX build with Guide , Fox Performance 36/DPX2, carbon wheels with probably the DT 360 (3 pawl) wheel - $5500-6000?

    Advanced 2 - SX or NX build, Rock Shox Pike Select/Deluxe (no piggyback), carbon wheels (hopefully!) with a DT 360 or lower hub (definitely pawls, hopefully not a Dimension hub) - $4000ish
    I'm international - European market. I visited local shop, they showed me a document with mark - information embargo - until today, I suppose I don't break any law by posting this. From what I remember, the cheapest carbon version has NX build with carbon rims on DT 370 (TRX-2). Advanced 1 is GX with G2 with (TRX-1) carbon rims on DT 350. Exchange says it is 6000$ according to today's rate.

    Advanced 0 is mostly on XT if I remember correctly with TRX-1 wheels with almost exact 10k$ price.

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    After starting this thread, thinking I had found my Goldilocks bike, I gave up due to availability. I now have my name on an Ibis Ripmo AF Deore build with a dealer and expect it in November. I'm done shopping, searching, calling and being disappointed.

    Having said that, I did find that the Giant site listed one dealer in California that is supposed to have the Trance X 29 2 in stock. They are about 150 miles away in Newbury Park. (Not to far from Giant's US headquarters location.) I didn't bother calling them to confirm, but based on the website and the experience of some others in this thread the bikes are out there if you're willing to travel. And unless you have an existing relationship with a dealer, I wouldn't go in expecting any sorts of deals right now.

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    After posting I realized I didn't tell where I got it

    WheelWorld in Culver City (Southern California) had it, and they still look to have them on-line directly on their website.

    I have no affiliation other than my purchase and experience.

    If you want to be sure, ask for Brad the manager.

    Have some patience though, when I went to pick mine up , I was able to get in early for the pick-up and there were still people milling around the front door like zombies.

    I said "wow, they line up to come and look" and he said "No, they line up to come and buy"

    Hope it works out for everyone - good luck!

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    Anyone know if a Fox X2 will fit on these? Its offered in trunnion 185x55.

    Planned on eventually throwing on a DPX2 but may go with the X2 if it'll fit.

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    Here are the specs for the Trance X 29 1....which unfortunately is unavailable in the US.

    https://www.giant-bicycles.com/int/b...ance-x-29-2021

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    Does anyone have any information on the mrp bash guard and chain stay in the flow review?

    https://flowmountainbike.com/tests/f...trance-x-29-2/

    I am assuming that it does not come on the US version? All the youtube videos of the US version do not have it (the guy in Australia mentioned he took it off).

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    Quote Originally Posted by C-man23 View Post
    Does anyone have any information on the mrp bash guard and chain stay in the flow review?

    https://flowmountainbike.com/tests/f...trance-x-29-2/

    I am assuming that it does not come on the US version? All the youtube videos of the US version do not have it (the guy in Australia mentioned he took it off).
    Looking at the Australia Giant site and its not listed or pictured on the Trance X. Wonder if it was dropped after press release due to price or supply issues. Bought mine in the US and can confirm it was not included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C-man23 View Post
    Here are the specs for the Trance X 29 1....which unfortunately is unavailable in the US.

    https://www.giant-bicycles.com/int/b...ance-x-29-2021
    Dear Giant,

    If you bring this bike to Canada, I will buy one.

    Sincerely,
    Still puzzled as to why this is not available in North America

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    Can anyone comment on the difference between the wheels on the Trance X 2/3 vs the 1? The 2/3 have the Giant AM and the 1 has the TR-1 wheelset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaumaturge View Post
    Dear Giant,

    If you bring this bike to Canada, I will buy one.

    Sincerely,
    Still puzzled as to why this is not available in North America
    The lower model Trance X Advanced will retail for around the same price (~$4k USD) as the alloy 1 model so Giant didn't want the alloy cannibalizing carbon sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WY228 View Post
    The lower model Trance X Advanced will retail for around the same price (~$4k USD) as the alloy 1 model so Giant didn't want the alloy cannibalizing carbon sales.
    Sure, but I'm not stoked on a lower-end carbon model, whereas I would buy the well-specced alloy model. So now I'm very likely to keep running my current Trance Adv Pro 1 for another year instead of hopping on a Trance X, since the spec I want will be priced outside of my budget.

    Personally, I'm not hung up on carbon as a frame material when considering the overall system performance and price. Unfortunately, carbon seems to be the only way to get a good spec, these days.

    But, I also know I'm only one person. I assume Giant has done their homework and you're right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaumaturge View Post
    Sure, but I'm not stoked on a lower-end carbon model, whereas I would buy the well-specced alloy model. So now I'm very likely to keep running my current Trance Adv Pro 1 for another year instead of hopping on a Trance X, since the spec I want will be priced outside of my budget.

    Personally, I'm not hung up on carbon as a frame material when considering the overall system performance and price. Unfortunately, carbon seems to be the only way to get a good spec, these days.

    But, I also know I'm only one person. I assume Giant has done their homework and you're right.
    I agree completely. If they offered the 1 model here I would've gone for it over my 2 without a doubt.

    We can thank the North American consumer base for falling for all the carbon hype over the years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WY228 View Post
    I agree completely. If they offered the 1 model here I would've gone for it over my 2 without a doubt.

    We can thank the North American consumer base for falling for all the carbon hype over the years...
    That Trance X 2 is a nice bike, but not quite an auto-buy when I'm generally happy with my current bike.

    Too bad there isn't a larger portion of the consumer base that agrees with us about spec and frame material. I like carbon as much as the next guy, but I don't NEED it.

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    Should have my Trance x 3 next week, coming off a 98 26er hardtail with 80mm fork anything is an upgrade. Decided I wanted a 29er due to my type of riding, was looming at the Trance but wanted more travel (at least 130/130) there are a ton of options in that range. Wasnít convinced on the Trance.

    Saw the trance X and was immediately interested, checked my boxes. LBS called and they had and Xl (6í 205) was not my size especially coming from my 90s xc bike. Went and checked it out def was big but def was nice... couple days later I get the call, can have one in 4 weeks... pulled the trigger, canít wait to try it. I think the travel will. Be perfect for
    How I ride, allows for bigger stuff but still handles my day to day.

    I havenít bought a bike in almost 25 years I did a lot of research, is it perfect for everyone? Nope, will it be perfect for me? I hope but I am excited for the new purchase, went to called LbS today to get an update (hoping for a ďhey itís here give us 2 daysĒ) and they were closed!. Will call tomorrow!

    My biggest worry is the 780 bars, never had anything that wide, I know I can cut them down, do you usually try them for a bit then cut or straight cut? How do I know if they are too wide for me?

    Anyways will update after her maiden voyage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaumaturge View Post
    That Trance X 2 is a nice bike, but not quite an auto-buy when I'm generally happy with my current bike.

    Too bad there isn't a larger portion of the consumer base that agrees with us about spec and frame material. I like carbon as much as the next guy, but I don't NEED it.
    I'll jump on the train as well. Would love to have the 1 model, but likely will have to settle for the 2. I would like the carbon version of course, but it is hard to justify the 66%+ increase in price...unless someone can convince me Also, there isn't an "X" version in carbon (yet, I assume it will be in the pipeline).

    Coming from a 2011 Trance X1, I am just looking forward to making the jump into the modern world. With the current used bike prices at a high, I figured I would capitalize and get the extra $300 more out of my current bike and get a new one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C-man23 View Post
    I'll jump on the train as well. Would love to have the 1 model, but likely will have to settle for the 2. I would like the carbon version of course, but it is hard to justify the 66%+ increase in price...unless someone can convince me Also, there isn't an "X" version in carbon (yet, I assume it will be in the pipeline).

    Coming from a 2011 Trance X1, I am just looking forward to making the jump into the modern world. With the current used bike prices at a high, I figured I would capitalize and get the extra $300 more out of my current bike and get a new one.
    Saw some leaked photos of the carbon X advanced models so they're apparently on the way, looked really good too. Agreed though carbon isn't worth the price increase considering the poor spec level you'll get on the lower models. If I had the budget I'd splurge on a higher spec carbon model. Mid-range though alloy is the way to go.

    I just made the jump to the X 2 to modernize and am loving it so far, you won't regret it. Its the perfect "do it all" bike IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rton20s View Post
    I did find that the Giant site listed one dealer in California that is supposed to have the Trance X 29 2 in stock. They are about 150 miles away in Newbury Park.
    Bummer to be in California right now, I guess. I found Trance 29 X2s in stock in my size (XL) at four shops within 25 miles of my house (Salt Lake area) a couple of weeks ago. Last night I was at one of the shops buying my daughter a kids bike, and they had four X2s in stock (2 medium, 2 large), plus a couple of X3s (medium and large).

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    For all you X 2 owners, does anyone elses Fox fork have a little bushing wobble. (And no I'm not imaging it from reading 1 review a month ago and no it's not the headset)

    Mine has a little knock and I'm scratching my head wondering if it came that way or has developed it.

    Never had a new fork with loose bushings out of the box, but I've never had a new Fox 36 either, so hard to compare it to others.

    Thought I'd ask before I contact LBS


    Thanks,

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    Trance X1 Sample photos

    Hello Guys,
    I was lucky to pick Trance X 1, you can find plenty of photos here:

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/aWHuqzmSyQ4cHNA2A

    2021 Giant Trance X 29-20200912_175426.jpg

    Enjoy!

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    @rupert83 How much does a bike weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by plonx View Post
    @rupert83 How much does a bike weight?
    I don't have very accurate scale, need to buy one, just regular digital body weight scale, each time I try I get different figures :/ more or less bike with XT 8120 pedals is about 15kg, so without pedals it's ~14.6kg

    I will post wheelset weight once I have a chance to do some maintenance around them.

    I would like to drop weight to ~14kg, I will switch to PRO carbon bar soon (200g), likely will swap cassete.

    Cheers!

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    I have swapped bar today, Giant's 780mm alu bar is 336g, carbon PRO Tharsis 800mm weighs 202g.

    Giant's 40mm stem is pretty lightweight: 138g

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    Quote Originally Posted by plonx View Post
    @rupert83 How much does a bike weight?
    I donít think you ride this bike if weight is a concern
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    Quote Originally Posted by grubetown View Post
    I donít think you ride this bike if weight is a concern
    Personally I would like to make this bike as light as possible, whenever parts wear out I will swap them to something lighter.

    My previous bike '08 Trance X3 was 12.9kg without pedals, my new '21 Trance X1 climbs and descends way better although it's 14.5kg. In this travel category it's good, nothing to complain about. I can only tell it's heavier when I set it on car roof stand or when I have to push the bike up the hill due to too many rocks.

    I did 60km and 2000m up/down so far - this bike shreds!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rupert83 View Post
    Personally I would like to make this bike as light as possible, whenever parts wear out I will swap them to something lighter.

    My previous bike '08 Trance X3 was 12.9kg without pedals, my new '21 Trance X1 climbs and descends way better although it's 14.5kg. In this travel category it's good, nothing to complain about. I can only tell it's heavier when I set it on car roof stand or when I have to push the bike up the hill due to too many rocks.

    I did 60km and 2000m up/down so far - this bike shreds!
    Did you consider to wait a little bit longer and grab a carbon version with carbon rims as a standard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resta_puronvb View Post
    Did you consider to wait a little bit longer and grab a carbon version with carbon rims as a standard?
    No, my wallet won't stretch that much. My local trails are full of rocks, I've heard stories about rocks making cracks or holes in the frame Carbon frame would make bike 0.5-0.7kg lighter,for the extra money I prefer better components, next big upgrade may be aluminium DT wheelset.

    For those reasons I'm very happy Giant offers Trance X1 in EU, it's great deal

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    The Liv Intrigue Adv Pro 29 specs were released today, so assuming they carry over to the Trance X adv pro (if it ever gets released), the Adv Pro 1 will have: 36 Fit4, DPX2 performance, G2 R brakes and TRX2 wheels.

    Colour me underwhelmed. Iíd take an alu 1 with full XT over that spec, too bad itís not available here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatMike1912 View Post
    Colour me underwhelmed. Iíd take an alu 1 with full XT over that spec, too bad itís not available here...
    I have a gut feeling Giant is going to regret not offering the aluminum 1 model in NA. I seriously think it would've sold like crazy.

    I'm sure they get more ROI on carbon sales but still... a hot selling alu bike can generate plenty of $$$ too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WY228 View Post
    I have a gut feeling Giant is going to regret not offering the aluminum 1 model in NA. I seriously think it would've sold like crazy.

    I'm sure they get more ROI on carbon sales but still... a hot selling alu bike can generate plenty of $$$ too.
    Yup, just look at the Ripmo AF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatMike1912 View Post
    Yup, just look at the Ripmo AF!
    Exactly! Modern geo is helping heavier bikes climb easier now. Most people (aside from the XC crowd) aren't dying for bikes under 30 lbs. anymore so the weight penalty for alu over carbon isn't the deal breaker it used to be. Not to mention the lower carbon builds usually regain most of that weight with heavy lower spec components.

    Just set a new PR this morning on my local with the Trance X. Trail is a good mix of punchy climbs paired with some fast chunky descents. Previously set it on my Trek Fuel EX which was also alu but a bit lighter. This bike rips even with all its heftiness.

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    Trance X carbon models listed on the giant Australia website. They look nice!

    https://www.giant-bicycles.com/au/bi...dvanced-pro-29

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    Hell, it looks good, but I am not willing to spend 8500 for an electronic suspension system. Pinkbike already has the X Pro Advanced 0 ready for a Field Test, yet they don't have the basic Trance X's ready for a field test. Do the more expensive over the cheaper one.

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    2021 Giant Trance X 29

    Writeup on bikeradar too


    https://www.bikeradar.com/news/giant...vanced-pro-29/

    I was pretty interested in this as my next bike until I got to the specs being offered. XTR with live valve or mediocre sram gx/nx builds. Big whiff from Giant IMHO. Give me an XT build preferably with factory suspension and take my money ....


    EDIT: Actually looks like that high end $8,500 build is almost entirely XT with an XTR rear derailleur - wow, even less appealing. Live valve is just so damn expensive.

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    You might as well get the regular Trance X 29 2. Its probably going to be the closest thing you'll get to the specs you want. Either that or buy one of the lower Pro Advanced models and change the drivetrain to XT.

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    Flexy Rear end?

    Iím pushing 200 lbs, Is this bike pretty stiff compared to other bikes people have ridden?
    I was also looking at a YT Izzo.

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    also curious, we need some more reviews in this thread

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    Okay, seems some of you wanted a review, so here I go:

    This is a great bike. Hands down, if you aren't going to hit massive jumps or extremely difficult terrain, this is the bike for you. Obviously, it has the flip chip which is a nice addition. I have the Trance X 29 2, and the 36 fork - DPS Float combination works really well. All and all, this bike keeps stuff simple; no Live Valve, no complicated geometry, regular wheels, and it definitely holds up nicely. When it comes to ride feeling, definitely feels like a really good flexible bike. I suggest this bike to anyone who doesn't want to break the bank while getting a good quality bike.

    Edit: It also doesn't have the Giant logo printed everywhere so showing this bike off to your friends means that they will have to get up close

    Edit 2: The flexibility of this bike will depend on your criteria; see if your local Giant shop has one and demo it. Also, the YT technically has higher quality parts (as said by 99Spokes's spec chart) so if you are looking for a high quality cheap bike, then the YT will be good for you.

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    I'm really interested in the Trance X, but I'd like to keep all the parts from my Trance Advanced 29er and just get the frame. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be an option.

    Since I already have high quality parts, there's no point in shelling $$$ to get worse equipment and comprable model costs way too much.

    Unfortunately, inexpensive models such as TX2 or TX3 come with unattractive components that are hard to sell if I were to try and keep the frame and sell the parts, although TX2 is decent in that regard.

    Thinking out loud: TX2 costs ~2650Ä and if I were to sell off fork, brakes, wheels, cockpit and dropper while keeping the drivetrain I might recuperate 1000Ä and get the frame, drivetrain for ~1500-1600Ä which isn't bad but the DPS shock is kind of 'meh and I'd probably want to upgrade that.

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    Giant gives the option for the Pro Advanced frame; not sure if you are interested in that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarinCRO View Post
    I'm really interested in the Trance X, but I'd like to keep all the parts from my Trance Advanced 29er and just get the frame. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be an option.

    Since I already have high quality parts, there's no point in shelling $$$ to get worse equipment and comprable model costs way too much.

    Unfortunately, inexpensive models such as TX2 or TX3 come with unattractive components that are hard to sell if I were to try and keep the frame and sell the parts, although TX2 is decent in that regard.

    Thinking out loud: TX2 costs ~2650Ä and if I were to sell off fork, brakes, wheels, cockpit and dropper while keeping the drivetrain I might recuperate 1000Ä and get the frame, drivetrain for ~1500-1600Ä which isn't bad but the DPS shock is kind of 'meh and I'd probably want to upgrade that.
    What I usually do when faced with that problem is to buy the new bike, tear both bikes down to parts, rebuild the new bike that I'm going to keep with all of the parts I want, and rebuild the the bike I'm going to sell with the leftovers.

    I know this is more cash of out pocket up front and comes with some risk, but it usually nets me a better bike for less money in the long run.

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    Proud new owner of a Trance X 2!

    Going to Virginia key tomorrow and will take pictures from the ride to post sometime this weekend.

    Link to the trails if anyone is interested:
    https://www.trailforks.com/region/vi...&lon=-80.14841

    FYI anyone in Miami FL looking for a X3 in Medium Mack cycle has one in stock on the floor.

    I was originally looking for a Trance 3 a bit ago but with Covid all bikes vanish upon arriving in stores.

    It did increase my budget quite a bit from the trance 3.

    I did a 5 mile warm up around the neighborhood and it pedals really really nice.

    This is by far the best bike I have ever owned.

    I had a 26" giant hard tail iguana which I actually sold the same night I got this new bike.

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    I just ordered my X 2. I'll be happy to provide feedback regarding ride feel and sizing.

    Would someone be able to measure the width of the downtube, so I know which width protective tape I need? Thanks a lot

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    What are the negatives with Trance X 29 2?
    Is the rear end stiff enough for a 200 lb rider? Does the Paint chip easily?

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    I've noticed the new Trance X 29, even just the aluminum version, comes with an installed downtube protector. Does anyone know if that would fit my 2020 Trance 29 2?

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    Here's my review:

    What I got - Trance X 29 2, size XL.

    What I had - 2006 Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Expert.

    What I am - Almost 50-year-old, 6'2", 200lb. dude (w/gear), ride 3 - 4 days per week between road and MTB.

    Where I ride - Northern New Jersey. Lots of ups, lots of downs (neither too long, though). ROCKS.

    OK - I was in the market for a new bike for the last several weeks and was content riding the Stumpjumper. I was considering the Trance X, Fuel EX8, and the SC Tallboy. My LBS that I have been loyal to for the past 20 years is a Trek dealer. Long story short - no Fuel EX 8s until May of '21. Figured I would wait seeing as I'd been on the Specialized for 15 years; what's a few more months. Then I cracked the frame two weeks ago...not waiting until May. Started calling other reputable shops in the area and came up empty.

    In any case, I had been very interested in the Trance X as the bang-for-buck equation seemed to be the best of the bikes I was looking at. Ended up finding a shop in Pennsylvania about an hour from where I live that received a big shipment (Giant concept shop). Went there, took it for a spin and drove away with it.

    The first thing I will say is that it is significantly heavier than the bike I was coming from.
    I never weigh bikes so I don't know the exact weight. The fit of the bike is perfect for my dimensions (34" inseam, kinda long arms). Keep in mind I am coming from an old geometry, 2x9, 26" wheel bike that I rode hard for almost 15 years, but the Trance rides beautifully (may be new bike euphoria, but whatever). I do notice the weight on some of the steeper climbs, but the thing pedals so well that I am able to keep moving - the stability is amazing. On downhills and technical flat terrain the bike is a beast. The suspension soaks up the big an small hits and the traction on loose, technical climbs is dramatically improved over my old bike. Also, I found the bike to be more nimble than I thought it would be, especially coming from a 26.

    I saw some people asking about flex in the rear. Honestly, I don't know if I'd even notice it given the bike I came from. There are a couple of downsides, most notably the dropper post, in my case. It was slow on the return from the get-go and non-functioning toward the end of the first ride (stuck down). Got it to work again that night at home, but the same thing happened early on the second ride, managed to get it in the extended position and left it there. Now it neither goes down nor up. Going to get that taken care of this week. The second is my pedal-strike count is way up. Not a big deal really, just need to adjust my riding style to compensate for that. Going to flip the flip-chip for the next ride to see how that feels, but I do like the slack head angle for the downs and technical stuff. Got my first scratch on one of the chainstays today, so I may look into some additional protection for the frame, but I can't say I'm overly concerned about that.

    As for upgrades that I am looking at, the obvious one is a lighter wheelset. At this price point for FS bikes, the wheels are going to be heavy - really no way around that. Not rushing to do it at the moment, but that would drop some weight. The second would be the dropper - seems to be a fairly common issue with the Giant branded posts. In the immediate future I am going to get a more substantial dropper lever, though, like a Wolf Tooth. The plastic one that came stock is really weak-feeling Beyond that, may plan is to replace things when they wear out with comparable or upgraded components - lighter cassette, better headset, etc.

    All-in-all, I am digging the bike so far. Am I slightly over-biked for the kind of riding I'm doing? Perhaps a little, but the bike checked all the boxes so I went with it. Hoping it's not another 15 years before I get a new mountain bike, though...

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    Had my X 2 for about a month now and have a couple small issues, wondering if anyone else has the same.


    First is the collar to the Giant dropper has been chewed up by the saddle bolt. At max drop the bolt drops low enough to hit the collar. Can't find a way to keep this from happening, I tend to slam the seat down in a hurry but never had this issue with another dropper, seems like a design flaw. Ironic that Giant named it the "Contact" dropper.



    Second issue is the Romero saddle, its developed a horrific creaking when seated and pedaling. I've isolated the noise to the saddle because it only occurs when seated. Even tried cleaning the saddle clamp and seat post clamp. I swapped out to another saddle and it went away. Not the end of the world since I intended to carry over my saddle from my last bike anyway but I wanted to give the Romero a chance and was liking it until this...

    Again only minor issues on parts I knew I'd be upgrading or swapping anyways. Loving the bike so far overall.
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    Can someone post their XL bike? I'd like to see how that size looks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WY228 View Post
    First is the collar to the Giant dropper has been chewed up by the saddle bolt.
    Is it possible that the collar is not screwed on all the way and is therefore higher? That has happened to me before I my current bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaxe View Post
    Is it possible that the collar is not screwed on all the way and is therefore higher? That has happened to me before I my current bike.
    Its on as snug as it will go by hand. It will occassionally come loose while riding, hence the scratches that are off center. I'm thinking maybe the contact with the bolt pushes it loose. But the main deepest scratch is aligned dead center when tightened all the way.

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    I have hard time believing that bolts touch the collar. Dropper seems like any other and maybe bolts that hold the saddle are not aligned well. The saddle clamp fits only one way and maybe it's inverted moving the bolt towards the seatpost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarinCRO View Post
    I have hard time believing that bolts touch the collar. Dropper seems like any other and maybe bolts that hold the saddle are not aligned well. The saddle clamp fits only one way and maybe it's inverted moving the bolt towards the seatpost.
    Believe me, I did too. But its hitting it. Also just to clarify its only the front bolt, rear bolt clears with no issues.

    I've disassembled and reinstalled a few times now and can't find anything wrong. Clamp is oriented the correct way (clearly marked so its easy to tell), bolts are slotted into their threading on the clamp correctly...

    I can't find any issue other than either the bolts by design sit too closely to the post and the post is able to drop too low thus resulting in the contact.

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    Take a look at this photo and compare.
    https://cdn.bike24.net/i/mb/ed/22/6b...0-d-642570.jpg

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