Who would like to see a KHS Forum?- Mtbr.com

View Poll Results: Would you like to see a KHS Forum?

Voters
215. This poll is closed
  • YES! KHS Needs its own forum!

    129 60.00%
  • NO! Who cares about KHS?

    39 18.14%
  • Don't care. KHS makes bikes?

    47 21.86%
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 200 of 421
  1. #1
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408

    Who would like to see a KHS Forum?

    Lets get a KHS Forum in here!
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  2. #2
    Blue Pig
    Reputation: Blksocks's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    1,553
    KHS? :x

  3. #3
    thread killer
    Reputation: WTF-IDK's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Posts
    751
    I would. I have a Solo one.
    next time

    [QUOTE=spazzy] Might as well sell your bikes, E-riding is much more productive.

  4. #4
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    C'mon folks! Lets get the votes up!
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  5. #5
    mtbr member
    Reputation: JeffSkisMontana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Posts
    2,974

    +1 KHS Solo One

    .....Had the KHS Solo One at one point...nice bike. Also we have many Flagstaffs and Tucsons running around our area. It deserves its own forum.
    There are two paths you can go by but in the long run........

  6. #6
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    243
    Now, that you have 45% of voters say 'no', do you regret making this poll?

  7. #7
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    5,034
    Not much interest in KHS bikes. Not that they are crappy bikes, it just that there is not enough of them. There is a long post in the "Custom Builders & Other Manufacturers " forum and even that was not that long to justify a subforum for KHS.

    My wife has one and I would love to see what others have done to theirs too.

  8. #8
    Bicyclochondriac.
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    13,967
    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    Lets get a KHS Forum in here!
    Why not? We have boards for cargo bikes, fat bikes, vacations, families, electric bikes (are you f-ing kidding me?), Norco bikes (78 posts total), Fugi (107 posts), Sette.......

    I can't see any reason why not.

  9. #9
    Bike Geek
    Reputation: norcalruckus's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    735

    ok

    sure,,,,why not
    RIP AL DAVIS

  10. #10
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by marktomin
    Now, that you have 45% of voters say 'no', do you regret making this poll?
    Nope.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  11. #11
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    4,003
    I think we need a forum for all brands. Another yes vote.
    roccowt.
    rocnbikemeld

  12. #12
    Gravity's Gone
    Reputation: nankerphelge's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    1,384
    I've never owned one, but they look nice and seem reasonably priced. I think they should have their own forum just so I can look at the "post pix of your lucky seven" thread.

  13. #13
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Alright folks!
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  14. #14
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    4,003
    I would like to know about the framesets I've been seeing advertised in MBA all the time. They seem reasonably priced. mmm. ...
    roccowt.
    rocnbikemeld

  15. #15
    It's about showing up.
    Reputation: Berkeley Mike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    12,737

    Are you kidding?

    My High school Team gets as many hits as this in a thread about a ride. So maybe we should get our own Forum, too.

    Actually, what would it hurt. We had a KHS Team frame built into a ride for one of our kids in 2005 and it is still out there holding its own.

  16. #16
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by zarr
    I would like to know about the framesets I've been seeing advertised in MBA all the time. They seem reasonably priced. mmm. ...
    I gave up on MBA a LONG time ago, so I'm not aware of the ads. Which framesets are you talking about, and maybe someone here can shed some light on them.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  17. #17
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Vmax911's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    383
    It would be nice to have all the bike KHS related posts (be it drivetrain, brakes, suspension, etc) in one forum rather than scattered across the board. I've been following a fork thread regarding the KHS XC series in the bike and frame forum, which doesn't really make sense.

  18. #18
    Live 2 Ride
    Reputation: Kona0197's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    6,005
    I'm surprised there is not a KHS forum already. The Razorback I owned once was a great bike.
    My Bike: '18 Giant Talon 3 29er
    My Blog: http://http://kona0197.wordpress.com/

  19. #19
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Now lets just hope a moderator starts follwing the poll.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  20. #20
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Vmax911's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    383
    Oh yeah, searching the board for KHS give zero results. Makes it very hard to find KHS related threads!

  21. #21
    AZ
    AZ is offline
    banned
    Reputation: AZ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    19,198
    Quote Originally Posted by Vmax911
    Oh yeah, searching the board for KHS give zero results. Makes it very hard to find KHS related threads!

    Three letter strings dont work , start entering KHS in longer strings : K-H-S , makes searching for it easier . Just sayin .

  22. #22
    Bicyclochondriac.
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    13,967
    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Three letter strings dont work , start entering KHS in longer strings : K-H-S , makes searching for it easier . Just sayin .
    "K-H-S" also gave me no results. The search function here simply blows. I have better luck going through google.

  23. #23
    AZ
    AZ is offline
    banned
    Reputation: AZ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    19,198
    Quote Originally Posted by kapusta
    "K-H-S" also gave me no results. The search function here simply blows. I have better luck going through google.

    It has to be posted that way , If the guys that are posting about K-H-S bikes would post it as a longer string it will come up in the search . Has to be posted in a longer string like K-H-S bikes.

  24. #24
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    If there was a forum for them, you wouldn't have to worry about search strings
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  25. #25
    AZ
    AZ is offline
    banned
    Reputation: AZ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    19,198
    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    If there was a forum for them, you wouldn't have to worry about search strings


    When you get a forum there is not going to be anything to put in it , it cant be found with the search function . Start by making it easier to find it .

  26. #26
    Haud yer wheesht!
    Reputation: Finch Platte's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Posts
    16,963
    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    I'm surprised there is not a KHS forum already. The Razorback I owned once was a great bike.
    You sure that wasn't a K2 Razorback?

    tRump is SCUM.

    Hogan Lake blog. A section of Hogan Lake trails here.

  27. #27
    Bicyclochondriac.
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    13,967
    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte
    You sure that wasn't a K2 Razorback?

    Wow, even K2 has it's own board.

  28. #28
    Live 2 Ride
    Reputation: Kona0197's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    6,005
    Yeah it was a K2. My bad.
    My Bike: '18 Giant Talon 3 29er
    My Blog: http://http://kona0197.wordpress.com/

  29. #29
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    1,761
    From what I have seen, KHS offers many, many types of mountain bikes. It obviously contributes to the MTB world, so give them a forum.

  30. #30
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Who would actually implement a new forum, if they were to do so? One of the moderators, or someone higher up? (Pardon me, I am not familiar with the forum hierarchy.)
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  31. #31
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    5,034
    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    Who would actually implement a new forum, if they were to do so? One of the moderators, or someone higher up? (Pardon me, I am not familiar with the forum hierarchy.)
    I think it's God. That is as high as it goes.

  32. #32
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    Who would actually implement a new forum, if they were to do so? One of the moderators, or someone higher up? (Pardon me, I am not familiar with the forum hierarchy.)
    KHS has been rocking the bike industry for many years giving many up an coming racers the opportunity to prove themselves. The list of professional racers that came from a KHS is quite long and they still have one of the best female DH/4X racers in the world.

    These are the guys that you need to speak with.

    Francis Cebedo, Founder & GM - [email protected] | Gregg Kato, Site Manager
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  33. #33
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    1,761
    I believe Jerimiah Bishop was running Razorbacks years ago for the team.

  34. #34
    Maaaaan
    Reputation: Ericmopar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    4,256
    I think KHS should have a forum. They'd have more users than some of the others.
    Some of the manufacturer forums are totally dead.

    Besides, I want to see what happens when the "Angry South Africans" start posting around MTBR.
    I know that having them training, in our local riding spot, is always interesting...
    Communist Party Member Since 1917.

  35. #35
    mtbr member
    Reputation: langford's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Posts
    684
    I want a forum becuase I am the proud new owner of a 2001 KHS FXT comp. It kinda found me, I fished it out of a scrap bin, but I know that there's a chance that after I spend $400 getting it back in working order, I might be able to get $400 for it. But...it's a free bike, right??
    Acutally, I never wanted a fully, I'm a steel hard tail kinda guy, but my bike shop buddy says he had a similar KHS and loved it! New rear shock, new tires, new rear wheel, will take care of most of the investment and maybe I can get those fancy Italian hydraulic disc brakes to work!

  36. #36
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by langford
    maybe I can get those fancy Italian hydraulic disc brakes to work!
    Whats the issue with the brakes??
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  37. #37
    mtbr member
    Reputation: langford's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Posts
    684
    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    Whats the issue with the brakes??
    I haven't had a good look at them yet, maybe they just need to be bled, but they don't do much right now. Grimecas seem to be loved by the few that they work for, despised by everybody else according to the reviews here. I don't think they make them any more.
    The KHS is #2 on the work list this winter, I'm doing some upgrades on my hardtail first, and riding it in the little bit of snow we've had so far this winter.
    The KHS is waiting for a new rear shock I've ordered, then I'll get going on the other stuff!
    Last edited by langford; 01-26-2010 at 02:53 AM.

  38. #38
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by langford
    I haven't had a good look at them yet, maybe they just need to be bled, but they don't do much right now. Grimecas seem to be loved by the few that they work for, despised by everybody according to the reviews here. I don't think they make them any more.
    The KHS is #2 on the work list this winter, I'm doing some upgrades on my hardtail first, and riding it in the little bit of snow we've had so far this winter.
    The KHS is waiting for a new rear shock I've ordered, then I'll get going on the other stuff!
    Ya I would swap up on the brakes. Pop the pads out and deglaze them, sand the rotors lightly and clean with Brake/Contact cleaner then bleed if that doesnt help.
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  39. #39
    mtbr member
    Reputation: langford's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Posts
    684
    Thanks Dog, my shock is in at the shop, will start working on the KHS next week, will let you know how it goes.

    How come the only pic in this thread is of a K2???

    I'd post a pic of mine, but it includes too much of my junky basement......

  40. #40
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Too right!
    Here's my baby.


    I covered up my junky basement!
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Who would like to see a KHS Forum?-img_0915-528-x-396-.jpg  

    Last edited by quietcornerrider; 01-28-2010 at 01:32 PM.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  41. #41
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dremer03's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    3,656
    My Friend has that same SID on his GF bike, very nice.
    Big Foot Blue KHS XC704r

  42. #42
    Bicyclochondriac.
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    13,967
    Quote Originally Posted by langford
    How come the only pic in this thread is of a K2???
    OK, I built this for my wife:
    Attached Images Attached Images

  43. #43
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by langford
    Thanks Dog, my shock is in at the shop, will start working on the KHS next week, will let you know how it goes.
    Cool I'll be here
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  44. #44
    Live 2 Ride
    Reputation: Kona0197's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    6,005
    I wouldn't mind a KHS forum now that I am restoring one.
    My Bike: '18 Giant Talon 3 29er
    My Blog: http://http://kona0197.wordpress.com/

  45. #45
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Damn, I should have kept the poll open longer. I'll be emailing the admins.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  46. #46
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by Dremer03
    My Friend has that same SID on his GF bike, very nice.
    Wait, the same SID as mine? Because this SID is known for having MAJOR problems.

    I've been one of the lucky ones, no problems as of yet. Knock on wood.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  47. #47
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    Damn, I should have kept the poll open longer. I'll be emailing the admins.
    Should have been doing that from the gitgo they dont just sit around reading and doing what people suggest.
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  48. #48
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    Should have been doing that from the gitgo they dont just sit around reading and doing what people suggest.
    Well, in my defense, I DID want to see what the poll result would be.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  49. #49
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    Well, in my defense, I DID want to see what the poll result would be.
    56.76% say you need to make it happen.
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  50. #50
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Alright, I emailed. I am waiting for a repsonse. Will keep you all posted on progress.

    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    56.76% say you need to make it happen.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  51. #51
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Vmax911's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    383
    I'll cross my fingers...

  52. #52
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    Alright, I emailed. I am waiting for a repsonse. Will keep you all posted on progress.
    KHS deserves it's own Forum brotha, If you want it you have to be persistent and push for what you want. If you kick back nothing will happen.
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  53. #53
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    I'm still waiting on a response from my first email. I'll try other folks now.

    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    KHS deserves it's own Forum brotha, If you want it you have to be persistent and push for what you want. If you kick back nothing will happen.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  54. #54
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Just last year the Fat Tire riders decided they needed their own forum and they got it.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=495952
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  55. #55
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    I just emailed everybody I could find an email address for, so I'm waiting for responses now. Any other suggestions as to who I should email?

    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    Just last year the Fat Tire riders decided they needed their own forum and they got it.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=495952
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  56. #56
    Haud yer wheesht!
    Reputation: Finch Platte's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Posts
    16,963
    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    I just emailed everybody I could find an email address for, so I'm waiting for responses now. Any other suggestions as to who I should email?
    Francois & Greggg are the only ones you should bother.
    tRump is SCUM.

    Hogan Lake blog. A section of Hogan Lake trails here.

  57. #57
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    KHS owner participation, your on track now, you can also PM the ones that dont have emails open. Every KHS owner you find that has not posted here help them with a link on where to go.
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  58. #58
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    I'm all for it and have e-mailed about it before with zero response back. It's frustrating due to the lack fo search results.

    The other option for vbulletin is to add an exception to include khs as a search term, but if it hasn't been done already, I doubt they'll add it now. (I run a standup jetski site and include SXi, FX-1, X2, etc as search terms)

    Anyway, I picked up a newly built XC-604 a month ago and love it so far, just need some colder weather so I can hit the trails some more.

  59. #59
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    5,034
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJETT
    .............
    Anyway, I picked up a newly built XC-604 a month ago and love it so far, just need some colder weather so I can hit the trails some more.
    Pics or you didn't buy one.
    We all love pictures.

  60. #60
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    Only one I have here. This was a couple of weeks ago, great ride that day.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Who would like to see a KHS Forum?-cherokee_small.jpg  

    Last edited by SuperJETT; 02-18-2010 at 09:48 AM.

  61. #61
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Aresab's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    1,698
    +1 in on the forum.

    Funny, I've been looking for a KHS forum and wind up and the "other manufactures" If' I'd have seen this post, I could have voted earlier. I have an XCT535 and XCT555. Great frame.

  62. #62
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJETT
    Only one I have here. This was a couple of weeks ago, great ride that day.
    Burrrrrr that looks cccooooollllddd.
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  63. #63
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    It was around 23-25F from what I remember. With layers it's not bad at all.

  64. #64
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJETT
    It was around 23-25F from what I remember. With layers it's not bad at all.
    Here in GnarCal 60 is freezing.
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  65. #65
    AZ
    AZ is offline
    banned
    Reputation: AZ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    19,198
    No forum yet ?

  66. #66
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    I hope we can get one, but I'm not very confident.

    However, we can turn this thread into the unofficial KHS thread for sure.

    I did find a pic of my bike from when it was freshly built.

    It's an ok build with a really nice Reba Team dual air fork. It has Shimano dual action hydraulic levers which I wasn't too keen on at first but gave them a try and actually like them now. I may switch to SRAM twisters later but that would require all kinds of new components and for now I'm ok with them.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Who would like to see a KHS Forum?-dscn2719_small.jpg  


  67. #67
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dremer03's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    3,656
    ^nice Build, big fan of black and white bikes.

    I give this topic a at least a few more months and a couple of pages before the Admins decide to make a topic.

    KHS guys could even help out by finding all KHS related topics. I am sure it has been pointed out but its next to impossible to find KHS when you do a search because the site doesn't search for 3 letter words. So even if you got a forum, there would be no old topics moved in to it.
    Big Foot Blue KHS XC704r

  68. #68
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    4,003
    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    I gave up on MBA a LONG time ago, so I'm not aware of the ads. Which framesets are you talking about, and maybe someone here can shed some light on them.
    Go on bobs-bicycles.com. I saw them there. They have KHS complete bikes as well as frames only.
    roccowt.
    rocnbikemeld

  69. #69
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    5,034
    Quote Originally Posted by Dremer03
    .........
    KHS guys could even help out by finding all KHS related topics. ............
    Here you go: http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=234001
    This has some pics in it and some good info.

  70. #70
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    Who else has pics?

  71. #71
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Vmax911's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    383
    I've got pic of my recent build here http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=586957

  72. #72
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    That build looks good. I need to weigh my xc604 to see how it compares---should be about the same.

  73. #73
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    Looks like conditions might be good enough to hit a trail this week with the cold weather/snow that's coming in. I guess I better figure out if my rear rotor is warped or not---have a little drag from it.

  74. #74
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJETT
    Looks like conditions might be good enough to hit a trail this week with the cold weather/snow that's coming in. I guess I better figure out if my rear rotor is warped or not---have a little drag from it.
    Check the caliper alignment could be off a tad from pad wear or a sticky piston.
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  75. #75
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Update - No reply from anyone. I little disappointed no one replied at all. Next up, contact KHS.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  76. #76
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    Check the caliper alignment could be off a tad from pad wear or a sticky piston.
    I've had the caliper off for just a quick check and didn't notice any thing, but it's been so cold I just haven't spent the time needed to see what the problem is. I'll pull the rotor and lay it on a flat surface and may swap it with the front to see if the drag moves with it.

  77. #77
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dremer03's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    3,656
    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    Update - No reply from anyone. I little disappointed no one replied at all. Next up, contact KHS.
    It took about a year for Sette to get a forum, and a topic with over 170 posts...with mostly images and build specs from all the Sette owners.

    Give it some time.
    Big Foot Blue KHS XC704r

  78. #78
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    Post your bikes!

  79. #79
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Vmax911's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    383
    I guess we could start a Monday picture thread. And then a Tuesday picture thread. And then a Wednesday picture thread. And then a . . . .

  80. #80
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    5,034
    I will try to take a picture of my XC-004 and add more content to this thread.

  81. #81
    mtbr member
    Reputation: langford's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Posts
    684



    Here's mine, my camera is broken, can't wait to take a new pic, excuse the messy basement parts and the poor quality pic. This is raw, as fished from the bin with rear wheel added and new derailleur hanger. 2001 KHS FXT comp

  82. #82
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    I can't believe you fished that from the trash. Great score.

    I've convinced my brother to get http://wheelworld.com/product/khs-08...frame-6814.htm .

    Just in time for spring!

    Quote Originally Posted by langford
    Here's mine, my camera is broken, can't wait to take a new pic, excuse the messy basement parts and the poor quality pic. This is raw, as fished from the bin with rear wheel added and new derailleur hanger.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  83. #83
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dremer03's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    3,656
    ^I like me some burnt oj please
    Big Foot Blue KHS XC704r

  84. #84
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Vmax911's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    383
    That's the frame I have (Burnt Orange). My hard tail is a Iron Horse also in Burnt Orange, though the KHS seems to be a bit more "burnt" than the IH. I thought it was a fairly uncommon color, but now I have two.

  85. #85
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Hehe. I actually chuckled at something you wrote Dremer.

    Nice job.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dremer03
    ^I like me some burnt oj please
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  86. #86
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    5,034
    In case you didn't see on the front page, some KHS love.
    http://reviews.mtbr.com/blog/2009-kh...lights-part-1/

  87. #87
    Drinking the Slick_Juice
    Reputation: nuck_chorris's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    1,809
    yes i want more information on there single speeds
    "If women don't find handsome , they should at least find you handy."-Red Green

  88. #88
    Live 2 Ride
    Reputation: Kona0197's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    6,005
    Don't feel bad. Raleigh doesn't even have it's own forum.
    My Bike: '18 Giant Talon 3 29er
    My Blog: http://http://kona0197.wordpress.com/

  89. #89
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    Don't feel bad. Raleigh doesn't even have it's own forum.
    Who feels bad??? Just asking for a KHS forum simple.
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  90. #90
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    After stripping and painting a Hardrock frame for my wife, it has me wanting to do the same to my XC-604. I may not strip it since it's in almost new condition, just some self-etching primer and paint. I like the white, but not the black rear end.

    My wife's bike is going to be a pink/white/black poodle skirt theme.

  91. #91
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJETT
    After stripping and painting a Hardrock frame for my wife, it has me wanting to do the same to my XC-604. I may not strip it since it's in almost new condition, just some self-etching primer and paint. I like the white, but not the black rear end.

    My wife's bike is going to be a pink/white/black poodle skirt theme.
    I can honestly say, I have NO idea if you're joking or not.

    Post pics though.

    I think I too will strip down my 904r, as the cream color on the main triangle is flaking in spots. I think a matte olive drab with a matte black rear triangle. Or a burnt orange main triangle.

    How did you strip the paint?
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  92. #92
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    Wal-mart has some great stripper, it's Klean-Strip Premium Stripper. http://www.wmbarr.com/product.aspx?catid=72&prodid=112 The Spec frame was painted, are our KHS frames powdercoated?

    I tried some aircraft stripper from Autozone but it must have been a bad can, didn't do much to the paint and would barely spray sometimes.

    Spray it on, wait 15 minutes or so and hit it with some steel wool. I worked in sections and it took just over one can to do the whole frame. I'd say if the frame isn't too bad to just scuff it up and use self-etching primer and paint it---that's what I'll do next time.


    And yes, I'm serious about the poodle skirt theme---that's what she wants.

  93. #93
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    No, our KHS frames aren't powdercoated, at least not my 2003 I still bomb around on. Anyone know if the modern day KHS's are powder coated?

    I had used Jasco gel based stripper on my brother in laws old 1984 Trek, and it worked fine on the main tubes, but the rear triangle was stubborn as hell, so it took a wire wheel, a dremel, and some patience to get the rest off.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  94. #94
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Vmax911's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    383
    I haven't posted a pic in this thread, so here's one from my Presidents Day ride.

    Need to keep hope alive for our own forum!
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Who would like to see a KHS Forum?-volcsm.jpg  


  95. #95
    AZ
    AZ is offline
    banned
    Reputation: AZ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    19,198
    Guys , post links to all the KHS stuff you can find in this thread , make it easy to find .

  96. #96
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Guys , post links to all the KHS stuff you can find in this thread , make it easy to find .
    And hope that KHS cares enough about their supporters to back a KHS forum. If KHS rolls over and says they dont need more followers or supporters and wont back a KHS forum then it wont happen which will royally suck. Bad part about KHS not supporting a forum is it would show they dont respect customers which is the opposite of what they have shown in the past.
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  97. #97
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    That's a pretty bike.

    Thanks for the support!
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  98. #98
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Vmax911's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    383
    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    And hope that KHS cares enough about their supporters to back a KHS forum. If KHS rolls over and says they dont need more followers or supporters and wont back a KHS forum then it wont happen which will royally suck. Bad part about KHS not supporting a forum is it would show they dont respect customers which is the opposite of what they have shown in the past.
    Does that mean KHS has to support (pay $$) to MTBR to get it's own forum?

  99. #99
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    I've been wondering the same thing myself.

  100. #100
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dremer03's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    3,656
    Quote Originally Posted by Vmax911
    Does that mean KHS has to support (pay $$) to MTBR to get it's own forum?
    Its not about money, its about the number of people riding KHS. Out of all the Manufacturer forums, only one of them is sponsored and its not even by the manufacturer.
    Big Foot Blue KHS XC704r

  101. #101
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Nothing is free their is always a payment somehow for something, their are advertisements all over any forum, got ta pay the bills somehow.
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  102. #102
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJETT
    Only one I have here. This was a couple of weeks ago, great ride that day.
    Fixed the color balance on my pic---my blackberry didn't handle the snow/overcast conditions very well.

  103. #103
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by Vmax911
    Does that mean KHS has to support (pay $$) to MTBR to get it's own forum?
    You know, I'm not sure they have to pay, but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt. I can't imagine every manufacturer has paid mtbr to get their own forum.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  104. #104
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    You know, I'm not sure they have to pay, but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt. I can't imagine every manufacturer has paid mtbr to get their own forum.
    Barter system, perts, rub elbows.
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  105. #105
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    Barter system, perts, rub elbows.
    "Wink wink say no more...I bet she likes photography, eh?"

    Sorry, I can't help a Monty Python reference.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  106. #106
    melman
    Reputation: melman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    32

    Good job! definetely

    I have just recently joing mtbr. and think this is an absolutely wonderful site. Helps us all to communicate and share information. I was trying to connect with other KHS riders. Found a few riders working on KHS bikes and have involved myself with their forum. I have noticed that there is no KHS forum. Have read a few comments that other riders would like to have a KHS forum. Definetely think their should be a KHS forum!thumbsup:

  107. #107
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Best thing you can do is post a pic of your ride. Show 'em we mean business!
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  108. #108
    It's about showing up.
    Reputation: Berkeley Mike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    12,737

    Okay. 1 month of nursing this topic

    and we have amassed 42 votes. The conclusion is......

  109. #109
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike
    and we have amassed 42 votes. The conclusion is......
    The poll was closed early...

  110. #110
    It's about showing up.
    Reputation: Berkeley Mike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    12,737

    Thanks for the clarification

    Makes more sense now. Still.....

  111. #111
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    If I'd known, I'd have kept the poll open indefinitely. I think we'd be up quite a few votes.

    I wonder if the mods can reopen a poll.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  112. #112
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Yup. I contacted everyone I could find an email for. Twice. No responses. Maybe if more than one person writes emails. And I think having the poll reopened would be great. 42 votes is great, but imagine if it said 342 votes. It might just grab the attention of someone.

    I also notice a glaring absence of any moderators commenting in this poll. You think they stay out of it when someone is asking for a site change?

    If you feel like emailing people, here is:
    Francis Cebedo's email: [email protected]
    Gregg Kato's: [email protected]
    KHS's contact: [email protected]
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  113. #113
    melman
    Reputation: melman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    32
    If you can reopen the poll, I'll do my best to get the word out!

  114. #114
    melman
    Reputation: melman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    32
    Hello, I have sent an email to mtbr and sounds like they are passing on the message. Here is what I have so far.
    Forrest ([email protected]),
    I have just recently joing mtbr. and think this is an absolutely wonderful site. Helps us all to communicate and share information. I was trying to connect with other KHS riders. Found a few riders working on KHS bikes and have involved myself with their forum. I have noticed that there is no KHS forum. Have read a few comments that other riders would like to have a KHS forum. This would make it easier for us to find each other to communicate. Could you please add a KHS forum. Sincerely, Melman

    His reply,
    I have sent your request to Gregg Kato. [email protected].

    Thank you

    Hopefully this will help to add the KHS forum!
    maybe they will get tired of hearing about it and give in!

  115. #115
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Thanks for the support!
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  116. #116
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    4,003
    Anybody riding a KHS Flagstaff 29er? (just curious)
    roccowt.
    rocnbikemeld

  117. #117
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Melissa rippin it in Brazil on the street DH course.

    http://reviews.mtbr.com/blog/melissa...h-street-race/
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  118. #118
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    Melissa rippin it in Brazil on the street DH course.

    http://reviews.mtbr.com/blog/melissa...h-street-race/
    That's a lot of stairs. Holy crap.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  119. #119
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Ben_M's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    588
    Only just found this thread and agree would love to have a KHS forum. Ill add my support with my KHS.

    It a XC-604 SE (special addition). I think it is an Australain only model. It was the same as the standard 604 but with a different paint colour and better speced components. KHS is not very popular over hear. Last year they only had one bike on offer and that was a 29ers SS rigid.



    I love it. Have done everthing from 100k marathons to running some downhill trails on it.

  120. #120
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    5,034
    Here's an update on the wife bike she never rides:
    RS Revelation
    BR-M486 brakes
    RS SID XC shock w/ rebound
    Bontrager Race crank


  121. #121
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    5,034

  122. #122
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    They're tough as hell aren't they?
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  123. #123
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    5,034
    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    They're tough as hell aren't they?
    Who? The wife or the bike.

  124. #124
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Ben_M's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    588
    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    They're tough as hell aren't they?
    Yep, last time I got it serviced one of the mechanics commented that it looked like its hard a hard life. Its been reasonably hard and it still runs like a dream .

  125. #125
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1
    Who? The wife or the bike.
    yukyukyuk...
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  126. #126
    max_29
    Reputation: max_29's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    265
    Quote Originally Posted by zarr
    Anybody riding a KHS Flagstaff 29er? (just curious)
    yup, had it for 2 seasons.
    sweet ride

  127. #127
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by Ben_M
    Yep, last time I got it serviced one of the mechanics commented that it looked like its hard a hard life. Its been reasonably hard and it still runs like a dream .
    I have to say, for a superlight frame like my xc904r, its taken QUITE a beating. I am not gentle on my bike in any way shape of form, and everything is running quite nicely. I'm gonna have to FIND a way to kill it just so I can get a new one.

    Damn you KHS and your dependability!!!
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  128. #128
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    I have to say, for a superlight frame like my xc904r, its taken QUITE a beating. I am not gentle on my bike in any way shape of form, and everything is running quite nicely. I'm gonna have to FIND a way to kill it just so I can get a new one.

    Damn you KHS and your dependability!!!
    Component up grades are better than frame replacement but then again might be time for a 2nd bike build.
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  129. #129
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    Component up grades are better than frame replacement but then again might be time for a 2nd bike build.
    Considering it's a 2003, it might be time anyway; but I have NO complaints about the components. Top of the line XTR. Super light wheels too (WTB laser XC's), but radial spoked front wheel, so no disc brake, I'm stuck with v-brake.

    Unless someone wants to trade a heavier wheelset and Avid BB5's or 7's for my wheels and brakes (Avid Ti V-Brakes).
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  130. #130
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    Considering it's a 2003, it might be time anyway; but I have NO complaints about the components. Top of the line XTR. Super light wheels too (WTB laser XC's), but radial spoked front wheel, so no disc brake, I'm stuck with v-brake.

    Unless someone wants to trade a heavier wheelset and Avid BB5's or 7's for my wheels and brakes (Avid Ti V-Brakes).
    Sounds like a same ol bike time to change nothing wrong with that other than some Hayes Strokers would be cool.
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  131. #131
    Live 2 Ride
    Reputation: Kona0197's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    6,005
    I am thinking about trading for a KHS. It would be nice to see a KHS forum.
    My Bike: '18 Giant Talon 3 29er
    My Blog: http://http://kona0197.wordpress.com/

  132. #132
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    I am thinking about trading for a KHS. It would be nice to see a KHS forum.
    http://www.khsbicycles.com/01_dh_200_08.htm
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  133. #133
    Live 2 Ride
    Reputation: Kona0197's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    6,005
    Not the model I was looking at. Thanks anyhow.
    My Bike: '18 Giant Talon 3 29er
    My Blog: http://http://kona0197.wordpress.com/

  134. #134
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Meh. I've used, and prefer the Avids. Nothing against Hayes, but I'd like to stick to what I know.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  135. #135
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    I took the 604 out yesterday with my wife for her first ride on the Hardrock I built up for her. It was really nice to not ride in 6 weeks then get back on it and notice how nice the suspension is. I have a Reba Team up front and with everything set for my weight it's a really nice ride over even little bumps.

    On the other hand, I'm about to give up on ever getting a forum here. I'd be happy if they'd just add an exception into the search index for khs so we can at least search for it.

  136. #136
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Vmax911's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    383
    Don't give up! I'm sure they are waiting for this thread to reach at least 10 pages. We're only on 2! I'll have to post more pictures I guess.

  137. #137
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    MORE PICS!!!!!

    I'll take some action shots when my brother and I go out later this week, as soon as this stupid cold is gone.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  138. #138
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Ben_M's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    588
    Quote Originally Posted by Vmax911
    Don't give up! I'm sure they are waiting for this thread to reach at least 10 pages. We're only on 2! I'll have to post more pictures I guess.
    Just change the amount of posts per page and we'll have 10 before we know it, i'm already up to 8 pages

    Anyway, a few trail pics to push this thread along

    Muddy KHS




    On the trail




    Enduro mode




    Will try to find some better riding pics, i'm normally the one behind the camera so I dont have too many shots.

  139. #139
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    4,003
    Excelent thread!! Voon-da-vah!!
    roccowt.
    rocnbikemeld

  140. #140
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by Ben_M
    Muddy KHS



    .
    Very nice.
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  141. #141
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Ugh. I couldn't find a riding buddy, so no pics from the first ride of the season. Will take some Tuesday.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  142. #142
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    I took my XC-604 to Fort Duffield yesterday to try some light downhill and loved it. I'll definitely be back over there often when they're running shuttles.

  143. #143
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    Ugh. I couldn't find a riding buddy, so no pics from the first ride of the season. Will take some Tuesday.
    Trail pics, views all good!!!
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  144. #144
    too cold to ride
    Reputation: BigSharks's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    1,130
    Some of the bikes in this topic are very sexy. Brand definitely needs its own forum.
    Now go home and get your ******* shinebox.

  145. #145
    mtbr member
    Reputation: AndrewTO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    3,949
    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    "Wink wink say no more...I bet she likes photography, eh?"

    Sorry, I can't help a Monty Python reference.
    Does she go, eh? I bet she likes to go!



    Chalk up another KHS owner here - Flagstaff - what I personally consider the flagship model. LOVE it, can't imagine another bike to be on. Being 6'3" I need the height that this 29er offers. Thinking about making longer travel rockers to get a bit more travel out of the rear. Maybe it'll happen, maybe it won't - dunno right now.

    No KHS forum does suck, even worse when MTBR abandoned 3-character search phrases. Two of the numerous reasons I "gave up" on MTBR a few years ago. But hey, **** happens, life goes on.
    I ..... need ..... DIRT!!!!!

    ... and cookies. :D

  146. #146
    Live 2 Ride
    Reputation: Kona0197's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    6,005
    Now that I own a KHS I would really like to see a forum for KHS.
    My Bike: '18 Giant Talon 3 29er
    My Blog: http://http://kona0197.wordpress.com/

  147. #147
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by BigSharks
    Some of the bikes in this topic are very sexy. Brand definitely needs its own forum.
    I have to agree. Not only are KHS's very functional, but they look damn good too.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  148. #148
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    52
    my share......
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Who would like to see a KHS Forum?-dsc06730.jpg  

    Who would like to see a KHS Forum?-consocep12.jpg  


  149. #149
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    5,034
    Does the rear triangle of this Orbea look exactly like the KHS XC series?



    They might have got it from the same maker.

  150. #150
    Live 2 Ride
    Reputation: Kona0197's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    6,005
    Does the rear triangle of this Orbea look exactly like the KHS XC series?
    It looks more like a Cannondale Scalpel.
    My Bike: '18 Giant Talon 3 29er
    My Blog: http://http://kona0197.wordpress.com/

  151. #151
    mtbr member
    Reputation: EGF168's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    3,418
    Got a KHS coming soon so a forum for the brand would be great!

  152. #152
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    5,034
    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    It looks more like a Cannondale Scalpel.
    I meant the chain stay, seat stay, drop out and Horst link. It's identical to the XC series.

  153. #153
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Vmax911's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    383
    Pic from todays ride. Lovin' the bike. Wish we had a forum.

    Edit: resized pic, it was ginormous!
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Who would like to see a KHS Forum?-khs_rocksmer.jpg  

    Last edited by Vmax911; 03-14-2010 at 09:52 AM.

  154. #154
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1
    I meant the chain stay, seat stay, drop out and Horst link. It's identical to the XC series.
    Well, I believe Specialized licensed out the FSR design, and a lot of companies use it. I know mine says Specialized FSR Technology in the inside of the seat stay drivetrain side.

    So that would be why many look identical. Hell, they may all come from the same factory in China/Taiwan/etc.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  155. #155
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by Vmax911
    Pic from todays ride. Lovin' the bike. Wish we had a forum.
    Yup, that is my favorite color of ALL time. I wish I could get my hands on one.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  156. #156
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    I know mine says Specialized FSR Technology in the inside of the seat stay drivetrain side..
    Time for a seat stay repaint.
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  157. #157
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    :deleted:
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  158. #158
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    Time for a seat stay repaint.


    I was actually considering a repaint since the decals and paint are flaking due to much abuse.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  159. #159
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    5,034
    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    Well, I believe Specialized licensed out the FSR design, and a lot of companies use it. I know mine says Specialized FSR Technology in the inside of the seat stay drivetrain side.

    So that would be why many look identical. Hell, they may all come from the same factory in China/Taiwan/etc.

    I don't mean the suspension design. I know it's an FSR licensed piece. I mean the actual structure. It looks like it came out of the same mold. I'm just wondering who actually makes that piece.

  160. #160
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1
    I don't mean the suspension design. I know it's an FSR licensed piece. I mean the actual structure. It looks like it came out of the same mold. I'm just wondering who actually makes that piece.
    Twenty bucks says they all come from the same factory in Taiwan, and bike companies all buy them from the same place. So essentially, it would be the same mold.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  161. #161
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Vmax911's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    383
    Since this seems to be where KHS owners gather...

    Does anyone know the bolt size for the shock mounts on the XC-x04 frames. I'm guessing 6mm top and bottom. I measured the space as 50mm top, 22.3mm bottom. Can anyone else confirm?

  162. #162
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by Vmax911
    Since this seems to be where KHS owners gather...

    Does anyone know the bolt size for the shock mounts on the XC-x04 frames. I'm guessing 6mm top and bottom. I measured the space as 50mm top, 22.3mm bottom. Can anyone else confirm?
    My 904r uses M5's for the mounts, but it's a 2003, so they might have changed on the more current models.

    Any owner of a more current model year know what size?
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  163. #163
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Vmax911's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    383
    I pulled the bolts and measeured. Diameter is 5.88mm So I guess that's a 6mm bolt.

  164. #164
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by Vmax911
    I pulled the bolts and measeured. Diameter is 5.88mm So that's a 6mm bolt.
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  165. #165
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Posts
    241
    Owner of a Solo One SE 29 here.
    I got some extra parts around from other bikes so my next upgrades are:
    BB7 cable disc brakes
    Got a XT 770 crank I am going to put on
    Oury Grips
    Might change the rear tire to a Kenda small block 8

    This bike is very fun to ride and I am extremely happy with it!

  166. #166
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by El_Duderino
    Owner of a Solo One SE 29 here.
    I got some extra parts around from other bikes so my next upgrades are:
    BB7 cable disc brakes
    Got a XT 770 crank I am going to put on
    Oury Grips
    Might change the rear tire to a Kenda small block 8

    This bike is very fun to ride and I am extremely happy with it!
    Sounds like a nice project!
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  167. #167
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    76
    I know voting is closed but I'm for a KHS forum as well. I will be ordering an XC-204 soon and will post some build shots.

  168. #168
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    I maybe have mentioned this before, but does anyone else get a lot of chainstay slap from the rear derailleur? I have an LX on my XC-604 and it bangs the heck out of the chainstay. There just isn't much tension on it even with the B screw almost all the way in. I'm planning on getting a SLX mid-cage (I'm 2x9 with a bash) soon to hopefully fix this.

  169. #169
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    jedc, you'll like it, it's a great proven frame design.

  170. #170
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    76
    Yea I can't wait to put my '09 Reba on it and other parts I have waiting. I'm probably gonna pick up a Sram X7 mid-cage RD for my 2x9 setup as well.

  171. #171
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    5,034
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJETT
    I maybe have mentioned this before, but does anyone else get a lot of chainstay slap from the rear derailleur? I have an LX on my XC-604 and it bangs the heck out of the chainstay. There just isn't much tension on it even with the B screw almost all the way in. I'm planning on getting a SLX mid-cage (I'm 2x9 with a bash) soon to hopefully fix this.
    Is it hitting the Horst link? If so, a DR with more tension will stop it from hitting since it does not flop around when riding over bumps.

  172. #172
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    Yeah, it's bouncing and hitting the back of the link. The der. has a rubber piece on it where it hits, almost like Shimano knew it would do it...

  173. #173
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJETT
    Yeah, it's bouncing and hitting the back of the link. The der. has a rubber piece on it where it hits, almost like Shimano knew it would do it...
    I too get a lot of slap. Maybe I'll sell my whole drivetrain and get an Alfine.

    No more slap!
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  174. #174
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Just to remind people, email these guys until they get sick of seeing our emails!

    Francis Cebedo's email: [email protected]
    Gregg Kato's: [email protected]
    KHS's contact: [email protected]
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  175. #175
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail
    put it in your sig!
    Done.
    (Why didn't I think of that? )
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  176. #176
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail
    I'll teach you how to be a pest

    good luck guys
    Alright Jedi, teach us something.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  177. #177
    Doesntplaywellwithmorons!
    Reputation: DeeEight's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    10,879
    I can't believe this thread got to 4 pages and no forum.... meanwhile baby boutique brands like Banshee and Knolly have forums, and K2 which is basically all but deceased as anything other than a box-store brand still has a forum.

  178. #178
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    Alright Jedi, teach us something.
    Be careful what you wish for MT is a trained Professional.
    Attached Images Attached Images  
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  179. #179
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    The poll is back up, so vote now!
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  180. #180
    Live 2 Ride
    Reputation: Kona0197's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    6,005
    I maybe have mentioned this before, but does anyone else get a lot of chainstay slap from the rear derailleur? I have an LX on my XC-604 and it bangs the heck out of the chainstay. There just isn't much tension on it even with the B screw almost all the way in. I'm planning on getting a SLX mid-cage (I'm 2x9 with a bash) soon to hopefully fix this.
    Try a SRAM derailleur.

    On a side note I find it funny that most of the custom build manufactures and some low end manufactures have a sub forum and KHS does not.
    My Bike: '18 Giant Talon 3 29er
    My Blog: http://http://kona0197.wordpress.com/

  181. #181
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    Try a SRAM derailleur.
    I use Shimano dual control levers, not an option with them.

  182. #182
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJETT
    I maybe have mentioned this before, but does anyone else get a lot of chainstay slap from the rear derailleur? I have an LX on my XC-604 and it bangs the heck out of the chainstay. There just isn't much tension on it even with the B screw almost all the way in. I'm planning on getting a SLX mid-cage (I'm 2x9 with a bash) soon to hopefully fix this.
    Cut the chain and set it up so the derailleur works as a tensioner, small-big big-small the rear der should be pulled towards the cranks.
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  183. #183
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Vmax911's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    383
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJETT
    I use Shimano dual control levers, not an option with them.
    I had that same problem with my Deore rear derailleur (derailleur would hit the back of the lower pivot on rough trails). I swapped that out for an XT shadow and it has been working great. I think any of the shadow style derailleurs would solve the problem (they make then in Deore, SLX, XT, and XTR) as it provides a lot more room.

  184. #184
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    The poll is back up, so vote now!
    Just wanted to send many thanks to Shiggy for reopening the poll! Lets vote guys and gals!
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  185. #185
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    SLX Shadow is the one I'm planning on getting once I get my freehub issue straightened out.

    I spent 2.5 hours last night repacking the rear hub and taking the freehub off to clean/relube it but got zero improvement out of it. The freehub is just done and the wheelset is fairly old---it was the only thing not new on the bike. I bought a barely used set that should be here Monday so as long as they're decent I'll use them and use this set for road tires.

  186. #186
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    394
    This is my first KHS, it's a 08 Alite 2000, IMO a very nice bike for the $ spent. KHS has a nice line of mountain bikes and has been around along time, they deserve their own forum.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Who would like to see a KHS Forum?-khs-alite-2000-005.jpg  


  187. #187
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SuperJETT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    540
    So I did pick up a SLX rear der. off Ebay in perfect condition for $31 shipped and my issue is solved. No more derailleur slapping against the chainstay plus my shifts are much more crisp now.


  188. #188
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Very Slix looking.
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  189. #189
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Me likey. I might replace my aging XTR with one for that price.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  190. #190
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    3,046
    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1
    I don't mean the suspension design. I know it's an FSR licensed piece. I mean the actual structure. It looks like it came out of the same mold. I'm just wondering who actually makes that piece.
    I disagree. BUT, the rear triangle of my KHS is nearly identical to my buddies Titus Switchblade.

  191. #191
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by mnigro
    I disagree. BUT, the rear triangle of my KHS is nearly identical to my buddies Titus Switchblade.
    KHS pays S for the use of the FSR just like every other company using that style except one of the original designers Turner.
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  192. #192
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    5,034
    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    KHS pays S for the use of the FSR just like every other company using that style except one of the original designers Turner.
    No, I wasn't talking about the suspension design (fsr, horst....). I'm talking about the actual structure and welds and length and shape. Just like how a GMC Sierra is the SAME thing as a Chevy Silverado.

    I disagree. BUT, the rear triangle of my KHS is nearly identical to my buddies Titus Switchblade.
    I searched for pictures of the Titus and from the looks of it, it is beefier than the KHS rear end.

  193. #193
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1
    I searched for pictures of the Titus and from the looks of it, it is beefier than the KHS rear end.
    If I read correctly, and I'm not 100% sure of this, but it's the design of the system that differentiates it from others, not the quality of welds or material involved. By design I mean, suspension pivots, locations of said pivots, etc.

    Perhaps someone with more suspension knowledge could chime in...
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  194. #194
    BMX:Our Shining Future
    Reputation: davidarnott's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    875
    Oh I love her. Love her to the bottom of my heart.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Who would like to see a KHS Forum?-wr7.jpg  


  195. #195
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    Quote Originally Posted by davidarnott
    Oh I love her. Love her to the bottom of my heart.
    Would you be kind enough to let us in on what model that bike is? I couldn't find it on the KHS website.

    That's exactly what I want for towing the kid around the bike paths!

    *edit* Yeah! 200 posts!
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  196. #196
    ride hard take risks
    Reputation: dogonfr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    25,412
    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1
    No, I wasn't talking about the suspension design (fsr, horst....). I'm talking about the actual structure and welds and length and shape. Just like how a GMC Sierra is the SAME thing as a Chevy Silverado.
    Soooo some of us have reading issues.
    Formotion Products
    http://www.formot

  197. #197
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    3,046
    yes, I was talking about the rear tubing as well. the switchblade and the khs both have square tubing, same lines, weld points, etc.

  198. #198
    XC Ground Pounder
    Reputation: quietcornerrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    408
    I'm not sure if this thread has gone off course...

    I guess not. We're still talking KHS bikes, no matter the subject.

    Speaking of KHS, does anyone know what their sales quotas are like?
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

  199. #199
    It's about showing up.
    Reputation: Berkeley Mike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    12,737

    3 months and counting. This process caught my interest.

    3 guys do 51% of the responses, 5 do 65% of the responses. A significant amount of response has nothing to do with KHS but about searches, how to get a forum, pushing for the forum and componentry. Outside of direct support for KHS there is a vague sense of "why not have a KHS forum?" Votes for the Forum lead 3 to 2 but that is a lot of opposition. THAT is interesting in and of itself. Hardly a tidal wave of support.

    I doubt Gregg will come back from Sea Otter to push this one through. Somehow this thread keeps surviving. It must be the boosters. I wouldn't mind seeing it disappear; we have some folk interested in the space on the page.

    Good luck guys.

  200. #200
    Live 2 Ride
    Reputation: Kona0197's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    6,005
    You miss the point. Lesser know brands have a sub forum and KHS, a major player in the MTB world, does not.
    My Bike: '18 Giant Talon 3 29er
    My Blog: http://http://kona0197.wordpress.com/

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Members who have read this thread: 1

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

THE SITE

ABOUT MTBR

VISIT US AT

© Copyright 2020 VerticalScope Inc. All rights reserved.