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    Places with good return policies that sell saddles?

    I know of

    1) Jenson USA with a 60 day no questions asked policy

    2) Wallingford Bike with a 6 month return policy



    What places do you know of?

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    Performance Bike (local to me) is real good about saddle returns. I've had to do it a couple times. They know you can't tell much without sitting your ass on it for awhile.

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    REI and Performance...no hassle. Out of the two, REI is abosolutely 100% returns for any reason so you can buy with confidence from them.
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    Competitive Cyclist has a saddle demo program.

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    Check to see if your local authorized Specialized shop will. The one here has an exchange policy. Keep the original packaging. As long as the saddle doesn't show a lot of signs of wear, you can keep exchanging until you find the right size/style saddle for you. They won't return it, but you can exchange. They should also be able to measure you for a proper fit.

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    Places with good return policies that sell saddles?

    Quote Originally Posted by TenSpeed View Post
    Check to see if your local authorized Specialized shop will. The one here has an exchange policy. Keep the original packaging. As long as the saddle doesn't show a lot of signs of wear, you can keep exchanging until you find the right size/style saddle for you. They won't return it, but you can exchange. They should also be able to measure you for a proper fit.
    I can vouch for that. My old shop did the same thing.

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    Lbs. Try it before you buy it.

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    OP let me get this right, you want to buy a saddle, try it, then return it. You want to repeat this process until you get the perfect fit for you. Do you do this with underwear as well.
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    Most LBS's have demo saddles specifically for this purpose - you try them out in the parking lot or nearby trail until satisfied and then purchase the one you prefer. It's not rocket surgery (stolen quote, but I like it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    OP let me get this right, you want to buy a saddle, try it, then return it. You want to repeat this process until you get the perfect fit for you. Do you do this with underwear as well.

    I don't have an LBS and the nearest ones I don't like anyway.

    Also, underwear do not cost hundreds of dollars and the saddle is not placed against my skin as the underwear would be. So, your analogy is crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    I don't have an LBS and the nearest ones I don't like anyway.

    Also, underwear do not cost hundreds of dollars and the saddle is not placed against my skin as the underwear would be. So, your analogy is crap.
    When I go in to buy a "new" saddle I sure as hell don't want one that some strangers rank sweaty ass has been on for 40 miles. That is if the bike shop puts it back on the shelf. But if the shop has any morals they send it back to the distributor. Either way someone gets the ass end of the deal.
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    WTB warrantied my saddle after A YEAR. I guess this isn't really a return policy issue, but just for reference.

    I had the Racer V in brown - and the darn thing cracked and split right down the middle. I took a picture, called, and they sent me a new one.

    Unfortunately, the next one did the same thing. I use nothing but WTB saddles and the black ones don't split - must be the material they use for their brown saddles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    I don't have an LBS and the nearest ones I don't like anyway.

    Also, underwear do not cost hundreds of dollars and the saddle is not placed against my skin as the underwear would be. So, your analogy is crap.


    I'll bet you complain about the high cost of components too. Its stuff like the misuse of return policies that drive prices higher yet. Thanks for being willing to punk a retailer and for being part of the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    I'll bet you complain about the high cost of components too. Its stuff like the misuse of return policies that drive prices higher yet. Thanks for being willing to punk a retailer and for being part of the problem.
    Really? Punk a retailer? Some retailers are actually concerned with people being happy with their products. Take Wallingford Bike. They have a 6 month return policy on all of their saddles. You know why? Because their leather saddles take a while to brake in, and, OMFG, because everyone's tail is different and you don't know what works till you try it.

    I do not misuse return policies. I simply shop at the places that actually give a crap about their customers and don't expect them to waste thousands of dollars just to find the right saddle.

    Also, a twirl around the block at a bike shop isn't going to tell you if the saddle works anyway. My Brooks feels great when I first sit on it for a ride. After 50 miles my dick gets tired of it and the smashing.

    So the advice to go to a bike shop is crap anyway unless they have a demo program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    When I go in to buy a "new" saddle I sure as hell don't want one that some strangers rank sweaty ass has been on for 40 miles. That is if the bike shop puts it back on the shelf. But if the shop has any morals they send it back to the distributor. Either way someone gets the ass end of the deal.
    Not really. With what saddles cost nowadays the shop and the saddle company have obviously included this issue into their pricing. More than included it in fact.

    And I doubt Wallingford Bike just puts their saddles back on the shelf after having been returned. How is it that they have no trouble with a 6 month return policy on saddles but everyone else is supposed to be screwed by saddles being returned?

    Your argument is crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RagerXS View Post
    Most LBS's have demo saddles specifically for this purpose - you try them out in the parking lot or nearby trail until satisfied and then purchase the one you prefer. It's not rocket surgery (stolen quote, but I like it).

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    Refer to my statement about my brooks above.

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    suck it up princess. ******s that wanna do this and the other cheap bastards that scream warranty all the time are the problem behind constantly rising prices...


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    What happened to the days where you bought a saddle (FROM THE BIKE SHOP) because you wanted it, it looked pretty decent, your FRIENDS had one too and liked it, etc.... and you either got along with the saddle and it was good, or you toughed it out for a bit if it was terrible and sold it?

    Personally, in my many years of riding and racing, I have never had a REALLY bad saddle. Some have been pretty darned comfy, and the ones that weren't that comfy really weren't that bad either. I usually simply bought on looks and weight.

    I'm now riding a Romin. Very comfy. Like it isn't there. I bought it at shop. Had my ass measured. Think I'll buy more.

    Maybe you should give this a shot??



    There is an unfortunate side to unbelievably good deals that Backcountry and Competitive and their ilk provide. And I mean unbelievably. Not all is what it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jochribs View Post
    What happened to the days where you bought a saddle (FROM THE BIKE SHOP) because you wanted it, it looked pretty decent, your FRIENDS had one too and liked it, etc.... and you either got along with the saddle and it was good, or you toughed it out for a bit if it was terrible and sold it?

    Personally, in my many years of riding and racing, I have never had a REALLY bad saddle. Some have been pretty darned comfy, and the ones that weren't that comfy really weren't that bad either. I usually simply bought on looks and weight.

    I'm now riding a Romin. Very comfy. Like it isn't there. I bought it at shop. Had my ass measured. Think I'll buy more.

    Maybe you should give this a shot??



    There is an unfortunate side to unbelievably good deals that Backcountry and Competitive and their ilk provide. And I mean unbelievably. Not all is what it seems.
    I did once. It cost me $75 down the drain.

    And I'm not going to bother with bike shops a great distance from me that aren't even interested in me buying from them anyway. Gave them a chance once and they didn't even get back to me.

    Also, I ain't paying $200 + for the right saddle.

    And also, not everyone has such agreeable parts as you do. I'm sitting on my dick even when riding a B.17! I'm tired of that.

    Just face it, some places are willing to cater to their customer's needs, some aren't. If they aren't willing to do it then why should they get my money? I'm not buying out of charity. I'm buying out of a need to not be sitting on my dick.

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    I'm sitting on my dick even when riding a B.17! I'm tired of that.

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    Try sitting on your sit bones instead. Are you always this disagreeabe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott View Post
    Are you always this disagreeabe?
    yes, he is.

    any decent shop will have a demo program for saddles.

    if not, buy the saddle and sell it to someone else if it's not what you like.

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    sitting on your d!ck is a matter of stupidity, not the wrong saddle...


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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    I did once. It cost me $75 down the drain.

    And I'm not going to bother with bike shops a great distance from me that aren't even interested in me buying from them anyway. Gave them a chance once and they didn't even get back to me.

    Also, I ain't paying $200 + for the right saddle.

    And also, not everyone has such agreeable parts as you do. I'm sitting on my dick even when riding a B.17! I'm tired of that.

    Just face it, some places are willing to cater to their customer's needs, some aren't. If they aren't willing to do it then why should they get my money? I'm not buying out of charity. I'm buying out of a need to not be sitting on my dick.
    200 plus for the right saddle? That's an embellished number to support your irritation with this process. You can get a decent saddle for less than half of that. Check Specialized. They, hands down have the space for your dick well figured out. That way you won't have to sit on it. (It sounds like you could make some money making videos out of this however, as being able to sit on one's own dick is a rarity that common anatomy just doesn't support. Like performing felacio on one's self. Sure, a small few can do it, but...)

    I have seen saddles before that are just simply two independently sprung sit bone supports. This would probably be the best option for you, although you could also give orienting yer, ehem, 'friend' in another direction, to see if that would avoid your proclivity to sit on him.

    Good luck Holmes....

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    Something doesn't sit well with me about buying things with plans to return them.

    But I guess I was raised with... you know... morals??
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    ^^Exactly. It's like chicks buying dresses to wear once or twice to keep up with the Jones's and then return. I know a guy that recently did this with tools from Home Depot. Used the thing, because he needed it, and then returned it on the claim that it wasn't working properly.



    Ironically, at my left, as I type this...is an ad for Butty Buddy. "Real seats for Real comfort." Buttybuddy.com

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    Might not be a saddle issue

    Ever try moving your dick to one side or the other.
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    Its poor form buying and using a saddle for 50km and then sending it back, do your research and buy the right saddle.
    Really some people love taking advantage of others, this is a prime example of exactly that.
    Bite the cost yourself if you wanna buy a saddle, i have a few sitting round the place, im not going to use others and send something back that my ass has been on for 50km, thats just poor form.
    When are some going to take responsibility for their own decisions instead of always expecting others to pick up the slack for them, no wonder society is in the state that it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker. View Post
    sitting on your d!ck is a matter of stupidity, not the wrong saddle...
    If I could sit on my dick I'd be telling all the girls about it instead of complaining
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    Doing the research as you call it involves sitting the saddle and using it. There is no other way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepo5669 View Post
    Something doesn't sit well with me about buying things with plans to return them.

    But I guess I was raised with... you know... morals??


    How is it immoral to use the return policy for what it was designed for.

    They advertise it explicitly for the purpose of guiding people like me to buy from them instead of someone else. They have already factored the costs of the risk of this policy into their figures, willingly. Many others have not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ridealot View Post
    Ever try moving your dick to one side or the other.
    One's penis tends to run between one's sit bones before the area where it begins to protrude. That is the area I am concerned with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jochribs View Post
    ^^Exactly. It's like chicks buying dresses to wear once or twice to keep up with the Jones's and then return. I know a guy that recently did this with tools from Home Depot. Used the thing, because he needed it, and then returned it on the claim that it wasn't working properly.



    Ironically, at my left, as I type this...is an ad for Butty Buddy. "Real seats for Real comfort." Buttybuddy.com
    There is one key difference. You're examples bought things that worked and then returned them.

    I would agree that it would be wrong to return a saddle that worked for me. But if it doesn't work for me, why shouldn't I return it just as I would anything else that didn't do what it's supposed to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    One's penis tends to run between one's sit bones before the area where it begins to protrude. That is the area I am concerned with.


    At anatomy you fail, just like this thread.

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    OP, please post which retailer you decide to do this with so the rest of us can shop elsewhere. TIA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott View Post
    OP, please post which retailer you decide to do this with so the rest of us can shop elsewhere. TIA.
    So... what I am doing is not ethical to you because it may harm the shop I am buying from so you plan to boycott the shop I am buying from?

    Isn't that a tad on the insane and stupid side of things?

    I mean, how does hurting that shop even more right my supposed wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    Not really. With what saddles cost nowadays the shop and the saddle company have obviously included this issue into their pricing. More than included it in fact.

    And I doubt Wallingford Bike just puts their saddles back on the shelf after having been returned. How is it that they have no trouble with a 6 month return policy on saddles but everyone else is supposed to be screwed by saddles being
    returned?



    Your argument is crap.
    Oh wow I forgot about this thread. I just came
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    you end every post that you don't agree on with an
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    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Oh wow I forgot about this thread. I just came across your profound response. I really like how you end every post that you don't agree on with an insulting "your argument is crap" or "your analogy is crap". Very intellectual and I bet your a great Guy to ride with.

    The argument was crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    The argument was crap.
    Crap this and crap that. Because you disagree of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    I'm sitting on my dick even when riding a B.17! I'm tired of that.
    Aren't you just supposed to move it aside? I've seen guys do it all the time rather than just sit on them.

    edit: looks like everybody else said the same as well. It's moveable!

    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    They have already factored the costs of the risk of this policy into their figures, willingly. Many others have not.
    They factor in the cost of people returning things that they shouldn't and now we all have to pay more for it.

    I buy saddles. If I don't love it, I sell it. Sure, I lose money but when we decide to buy something, we oughta honor that commitment unless something is broken or misrepresented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jochribs View Post
    200 plus for the right saddle? That's an embellished number to support your irritation with this process. You can get a decent saddle for less than half of that. Check Specialized. They, hands down have the space for your dick well figured out. That way you won't have to sit on it. (It sounds like you could make some money making videos out of this however, as being able to sit on one's own dick is a rarity that common anatomy just doesn't support. Like performing felacio on one's self. Sure, a small few can do it, but...)

    I have seen saddles before that are just simply two independently sprung sit bone supports. This would probably be the best option for you, although you could also give orienting yer, ehem, 'friend' in another direction, to see if that would avoid your proclivity to sit on him.

    Good luck Holmes....


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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    One's penis tends to run between one's sit bones before the area where it begins to protrude. That is the area I am concerned with.
    I have never had that problem with any saddle...ever! Good luck tho
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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    So... what I am doing is not ethical to you because it may harm the shop I am buying from so you plan to boycott the shop I am buying from?

    Isn't that a tad on the insane and stupid side of things?

    I mean, how does hurting that shop even more right my supposed wrong?
    I think he's more concerned about waiting in line behind you while you're crying about your dick being smushed.
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    Places with good return policies that sell saddles?

    So do you start measuring from the sit bones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    One's penis tends to run between one's sit bones before the area where it begins to protrude. That is the area I am concerned with.
    That's called your taint. Now here's an exercise for you: take a big rubber band, stretch it nice and tight, aim it at your taint and let it rip. Let us know how it goes.

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    aBike, just in case you haven't seen this photo...take a close look. These guys, who are ride for a living, won't be sitting on anything they hope to use later.




    As for what to do, simply ride more. You'll soon know what you want in a saddle. You might also try shifting the nose of the saddle +/- 5 degrees to relieve the pressure on the nerve if that is the issue.

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    It's an itty bitty penis parade. Poor guys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    One's penis tends to run between one's sit bones before the area where it begins to protrude. That is the area I am concerned with.
    You are incorrect on this. Your sit bones are further towards the rear and tend to be located on either side of your anus. I suggest it is the other bloke penis you appear to have inserted that is giving you the grief when you sit on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    The argument was crap.
    No, crap is what comes out of the exit hole you appear to have said penis inserted in.

    Go to a specialised dealer, they have test saddles that measures you pressure points and then recommends a saddle based on those pressure points.

    Seriously just buy the saddle that works best, if after 50km you aren't happy with it then sell it second hand and recover most of your money. The shop has been paid for the service they have provided. The saddle has cost you a little for the little use you have made of it and best of all a bloke that doesn't mind riding someone else's saddle has got a near new one at a fair price, comfortable in the knowledge that it has had your appendage rubbing against it.

    A question for thought though. Are you sure the problem is the saddle and not the entire bike? Maybe you need one with a few more inches in the rear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    One's penis tends to run between one's sit bones before the area where it begins to protrude. That is the area I am concerned with.
    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    So... what I am doing is not ethical to you because it may harm the shop I am buying from so you plan to boycott the shop I am buying from?

    Isn't that a tad on the insane and stupid side of things?

    I mean, how does hurting that shop even more right my supposed wrong?
    It would be more about the fact that said shop has priced their "We're dealing with richard cranium's return policy" into their general shop pricing and would, as a result, be selling items at a higher price than may be had elsewhere. Maybe this is why the saddles you are looking at are so expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    So... what I am doing is not ethical to you because it may harm the shop I am buying from so you plan to boycott the shop I am buying from?

    Isn't that a tad on the insane and stupid side of
    things?

    I mean, how does hurting that shop even more

    right my supposed wrong?
    It takes an ethical person to recognize an unethical situation. Sorry OP but you will never get it.
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    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    One's penis tends to run between one's sit bones before the area where it begins to protrude.
    I just went to bathroom to take a dump and was staring at my manly bits for a second trying to visualize how the heck I can run it between my seat bones while riding a bike.

    First of all, it would require having no balls. Second, I cringed at the thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    I just went to bathroom to take a dump and was staring at my manly bits for a second trying to visualize how the heck I can run it between my seat bones while riding a bike.

    First of all, it would require having no balls. Second, I cringed at the thought.
    I think, what he's getting at is, that it is so short he can't help but sit on it.

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    Places with good return policies that sell saddles?

    I guess you would have to sit on your balls too which I am told could hurt.

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    the right seat angle for your body is what is important, not the particular seat so much. not like it's rocket science or anything. play with seat angle and i can pretty much guarantee you will solve your problem. i've been at this since the 70's, i've seen a few different seats along the way and can't really say i've ever really disliked any of them based on feel. not liking a fair bit of them because they looked gay, now that's a whole different story...


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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    I guess you would have to sit on your balls too
    Said the actress to the bishop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    I guess you would have to sit on your balls too which I am told could hurt.
    Not if he's sans balls. See where I'm gettin' at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker. View Post
    the right seat angle for your body is what is important, not the particular seat so much. not like it's rocket science or anything. play with seat angle and i can pretty much guarantee you will solve your problem. i've been at this since the 70's, i've seen a few different seats along the way and can't really say i've ever really disliked any of them based on feel. not liking a fair bit of them because they looked gay, now that's a whole different story...
    This is so true. I learned that with my Tioga Spyder. I had it set perfect and it was very comfy. I put on a new fork with 20mm more travel and I had to adjust the saddle to make it comfy again.

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    I'd suggest going through with the surgery instead of tucking it back while riding. You're probably not fooling anyone anyways.

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    All this thread seems to be missing is a picture of a convicted ''saddle sniffer'' anybody got a pic ?
    Dont ever let the truth get in the way of a funny story....:cool:

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    Finch Platte...

    You got it, LMAO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    All this thread seems to be missing is a picture of a convicted ''saddle sniffer'' anybody got a pic ?
    I'd volunteer a photo but I haven't been convicted yet.
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    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    All this thread seems to be missing is a picture of a convicted ''saddle sniffer'' anybody got a pic ?
    I'm gonna volunteer this dick.

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    Places with good return policies that sell saddles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Said the actress to the bishop.
    I tuck mine in thank you very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    I tuck mine in thank you very much.



    Here ya go, OP ... It's called an exchange plan, at least that's how my LBS explained it, when I bought my last saddle.

    They offered advise on the selection, and stated that if within 30 days, I wanted to exchange it for another width, from the same manufacturer, to bring the old saddle in, UNDAMAGED, and they would do an exchange.

    BUT ... Only for this brand - https://www.serfas.com/products/inde.../e-gel-saddles

    I'm still riding their suggestion, and had no need to take them up on the offer.

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    An exchange is quite different than a refund

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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    It would be more about the fact that said shop has priced their "We're dealing with richard cranium's return policy" into their general shop pricing and would, as a result, be selling items at a higher price than may be had elsewhere. Maybe this is why the saddles you are looking at are so expensive.
    Actually, the places they are most expensive are the places where the return policy is the most strict. The place I bought from gave me something like $100 off and a 100% satisfaction guarantee. So... apparently it doesn't drive up the price.

    :/

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    Here ya go, OP ... It's called an exchange plan, at least that's how my LBS explained it, when I bought my last saddle.

    They offered advise on the selection, and stated that if within 30 days, I wanted to exchange it for another width, from the same manufacturer, to bring the old saddle in, UNDAMAGED, and they would do an exchange.

    BUT ... Only for this brand - https://www.serfas.com/products/inde.../e-gel-saddles

    I'm still riding their suggestion, and had no need to take them up on the offer.

    P.S.
    An exchange is quite different than a refund

    And an exchange works just fine as long as they have a saddle that does work.

    But...

    1) It hurts the company just the same as the return

    2) They'd better return me the price difference if I exchange for a cheaper saddle!

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    Quote Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker. View Post
    the right seat angle for your body is what is important, not the particular seat so much. not like it's rocket science or anything. play with seat angle and i can pretty much guarantee you will solve your problem. i've been at this since the 70's, i've seen a few different seats along the way and can't really say i've ever really disliked any of them based on feel. not liking a fair bit of them because they looked gay, now that's a whole different story...
    I've tried it all. This saddle just doesn't work for long distances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    I've tried it all. This saddle just doesn't work for long distances.
    Most saddles "just don't work for long distances", you have to train your butt to get comfortable with it and that comes from time in the saddle built up over period of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    It takes an ethical person to recognize an unethical situation. Sorry OP but you will never get it.


    Ethical?

    What are the ethics behind selling customers saddles they can't return knowing damn well that there's a high risk of the saddle not working out?

    Why should I choose ethics that favor the seller over ethics that favor the buyer?

    With either set of ethics one is choosing to view the unproductive depletion of the others resources as an acceptable form of "collateral damage".

    From an outsider's perspective they both appear unethical.

    So, how does one resolve this dilemma?

    By free choice.

    If there is no deception involved then how can the situation be unethical?

    After all, if the company can't handle returned saddles it can easily just have a strict return policy, as many do. Those people I don't purchase from when it comes to things I don't know that I will for certain be able to use.

    And if the company can handle a very generous return policy, and even views such a return policy as beneficial to their business, then why shouldn't they be able to attract people, such as me, who can make use of such a policy? If you are condemning me for liking and using such a policy, then are you not at the same time condemning them for enabling me to make use of such a policy?

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    Places with good return policies that sell saddles?

    I just want to know if you've figured out the difference between your dick and your taint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    I've tried it all. This saddle just doesn't work for long distances.
    Here is an idea. Instead of looking for stores with the best return policy, why don't you try spending your energy finding the store with the best fit specialist. Take your bike up there when you go and get things dialed in. If you are properly fit and you butt can't take it, you simply need to ride more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    I just want to know if you've figured out the difference between your dick and your taint.
    Part of the taint is the dick. And the dick is the part of the taint that causes the taint to be so large as to be smashed. Therefore, my terminology is still correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    Here is an idea. Instead of looking for stores with the best return policy, why don't you try spending your energy finding the store with the best fit specialist. Take your bike up there when you go and get things dialed in. If you are properly fit and you butt can't take it, you simply need to ride more.
    Good idea, but not an option at this point unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    Part of the taint is the dick. And the dick is the part of the taint that causes the taint to be so large as to be smashed. Therefore, my terminology is still correct.
    Using this logic one could say that the anus is also part of the taint so you could in theory stick your dickn in your anus and all would be right in your world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    Good idea, but not an option at this point unfortunately.
    Sorry, you are going to have to put a little skin in the game if this going to work out for you. Why not plan a day trip to the area you need to go. Schedule an appointment so you don't cause much distraction when you roll into the shop. Then ride a couple of hours where you end up and then head back. You'll get a good saddle fit and a ride in on a new trail or road. What's not to like about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott View Post
    Using this logic one could say that the anus is also part of the taint so you could in theory stick your dickn in your anus and all would be right in your world.
    Are we just ignoring balls? Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    Are we just ignoring balls? Lol
    I found a new sig.

    And this thread sucks what everyone is ignoring. Balls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    I guess you would have to sit on your balls too which I am told could hurt.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Not if he's sans balls. See where I'm gettin' at?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
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    Hey, are you tryin' to bust my balls? We referenced balls yesterday!

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    this thread just keeps delivering

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    I just want to know if you've figured out the difference between your dick and your taint.
    This. Best response to anything, in any thread, ever.

    (as others have alluded to, the right angle is key. i'm digging selle italia slr saddles on all my rides at the moment. a good pair of shorts coupled with a comfy seat angle works wonders. and moving around. if you're riding 50 mile-ish rides, i hope you're moving your ass around on the seat, getting up off it once in a while, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    And an exchange works just fine as long as they have a saddle that does work.

    But...

    1) It hurts the company just the same as the return

    2) They'd better return me the price difference if I exchange for a cheaper saddle!
    I'm sure that for some, this is true ... But ... Based on the LBS recommendation, I didn't need to return the saddle ... It fit properly, and both LBS and manufacturer made a profit.

    All I needed to do was install, and adjust it to suit my fore/aft position, and required tilt.

    YMMV

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    I just want to know if you've figured out the difference between your dick and your taint.
    I'm beginning to realize where ... Taint nuth'n but a thing comes from LOL

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    I found a new sig.

    And this thread sucks what everyone is ignoring. Balls.
    Signature worth, for sure ... All of them.

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    When I go in to buy a "new" saddle I sure as hell don't want one that some strangers rank sweaty ass has been on for 40 miles. That is if the bike shop puts it back on the shelf. But if the shop has any morals they send it back to the distributor. Either way someone gets the ass end of the deal.
    even if the sweaty ass belongs to Emily Batty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    Part of the taint is the dick. And the dick is the part of the taint that causes the taint to be so large as to be smashed. Therefore, my terminology is still correct.
    there is some resistance in the scientific community with regards to including the wiener in the taint. care to explain why you are so sure that the sausage is part of the taint? this is very controversial topic, but nonetheless, very important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jochribs View Post

    I'm now riding a Romin. Very comfy. Like it isn't there. I bought it at shop. Had my ass measured. Think I'll buy more.
    i'd buy more too, if they measured my ass every time i buy... i must say - i admire your rationale...
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Aren't you just supposed to move it aside? I've seen guys do it all the time rather than just sit on them.

    edit: looks like everybody else said the same as well. It's moveable!
    it is not always moveable. that could be the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    there is some resistance in the scientific community with regards to including the wiener in the taint. care to explain why you are so sure that the sausage is part of the taint? this is very controversial topic, but nonetheless, very important.



    Oh, how I wish I could be a fly on the wall in the room in which a bunch of PhDs or MDs discussing taints. I think I would die of asphyxiation from laughing so hard I wouldn't be able to breathe.
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    Taint nobody got time for that

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    i'd buy more too, if they measured my ass every time i buy... i must say - i admire your rationale...

    LMAO!!! I'll bring that up next time I go in for one! Actually, I'll buy two next time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    there is some resistance in the scientific community with regards to including the wiener in the taint. care to explain why you are so sure that the sausage is part of the taint? this is very controversial topic, but nonetheless, very important.

    Um, because the inner shaft of it is not segmented...






    like a sausage would be LOL.


    In other words, how can there be multiple names for the same part? The if the part is a wanger here it's a wanger there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    Um, because the inner shaft of it is not segmented.
    eeewwww.

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    eeewwww.
    That's because you're picturing the wrong thing. Try picturing ground up animals inside intestines. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    there is some resistance in the scientific community with regards to including the wiener in the taint. care to explain why you are so sure that the sausage is part of the taint? this is very controversial topic, but nonetheless, very important.
    My guess is, that people with small sausages try to include the taint in order to make the whole package seem bigger then it really is. In my opinion, the taint, sausage, ball sack and anus are all separate body parts. All easily recognizable from the others. Chances are if it has a different name, it's a different thing. Although, some people, as a hole are big sausages, if you know what I mean.

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    Specialized takes them back no questions asked. Every one is different, but the Henge is fantastic! And I do 12 hour rides.

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    You have to measure your dick from the top. It gets all too complicated if your ruler is touching the dangly bits. IE you are not sitting on your dick and you should just live with your seat choice.

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    If seats don't work, just take the seat off!

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    There's no room for that MCS, his dick is in the way, remember.

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    competitivecyslist.com or the equivalent backcountry.com both have a return policy like REI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    If seats don't work, just take the seat off!
    Then use the seat post clamp and some good clip-on's to really get connected to the bike

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    Places with good return policies that sell saddles?

    You can tell who doesn't read threads before posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Aren't you just supposed to move it aside? I've seen guys do it all the time rather than just sit on them.

    edit: looks like everybody else said the same as well. It's moveable!



    They factor in the cost of people returning things that they shouldn't and now we all have to pay more for it.

    I buy saddles. If I don't love it, I sell it. Sure, I lose money but when we decide to buy something, we oughta honor that commitment unless something is broken or misrepresented.
    Quoted for honesty and integrity. People pay big money to move their junk, or to store it elsewhere. OP has pretty much confirmed he is a big deutschsack.

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    You mean I should be including the taint when quoting my dick size? So that makes me somewhere around 13-14"

    Thank you sir, you made my day

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    Quote Originally Posted by nwbikur View Post
    You mean I should be including the taint when quoting my dick size? So that makes me somewhere around 13-14"

    Thank you sir, you made my day
    you should not have posted your numbers. everyone knows that the size of one's taint is 10".

    with your disclosure - the math is merciless.

    on a positive note - i am sure your technique is second to none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy View Post
    Quoted for honesty and integrity. People pay big money to move their junk, or to store it elsewhere. OP has pretty much confirmed he is a big deutschsack.
    i had to look it up. now i know that deutschsack includes taint.

    thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    You can tell who doesn't read threads before posting.
    oops, we are supposed to read threads before posting???

    i guess it is never too late to learn something new...

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    you should not have posted your numbers. everyone knows that the size of one's taint is 10".

    with your disclosure - the math is merciless.

    on a positive note - i am sure your technique is second to none.

    I have learned so much through the thread! Thanks you, OP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    I have learned so much through the thread! Thanks you, OP!
    no. thanks you.

    seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    I'll bet you complain about the high cost of components too. Its stuff like the misuse of return policies that drive prices higher yet. Thanks for being willing to punk a retailer and for being part of the problem.
    Actually, this makes no sense since I don't tend to return other components as I would with saddles (supposing this one doesn't work. This would be my first saddle return actually.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    Actually, this makes no sense since I don't tend to return other components as I would with saddles (supposing this one doesn't work. This would be my first saddle return actually.)


    It makes perfect sense to me and I'm not the brightest bulb in the strin, you must be exceptionally dense not to be able to reason it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    no!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    no!!

    Nooo!!!
    14" doesn't do it for you?

    I would never refuse natural double D.

    Never.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    natural double D.
    = rocks in your socks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    oops, we are supposed to read threads before posting???

    i guess it is never too late to learn something new...

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    for a forum full of cyclists, I'm surprised more people didn't support this thread


    what's this crap about morality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ehigh View Post
    for a forum full of cyclists, I'm surprised more people didn't support this thread


    what's this crap about morality?
    Something I don't think you'll ever understand. You're under 30 aren't you? One of the entitled generation.

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    Re: Places with good return policies that sell saddles?

    solid
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    Quote Originally Posted by ehigh View Post
    It's weird how enculturation works-specifically how one generation adapts and develops aspects of previous generations.

    Good assumption though; I'm under thirty. Nice work.

    You must be over thirty. One of them older types. Must be your time to feel entitled to generalizing other generations.

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    actually ehigh I must apologise. I posted that from my mobile and believed I was replying to the OP, ehigh, abicycle, aeunuch, an easy mistake for us old farts to make when using modern technology. You have said nothing here to have me lump you in with a lack of understanding morals in the way the op has.

    Sorry, I'll put my reading glasses on before I respond on the phone next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    actually ehigh I must apologise. I posted that from my mobile and believed I was replying to the OP, ehigh, abicycle, aeunuch, an easy mistake for us old farts to make when using modern technology. You have said nothing here to have me lump you in with a lack of understanding morals in the way the op has.

    Sorry, I'll put my reading glasses on before I respond on the phone next time.

    Speaking of morals, why do you think it's moral for the shop to expect a customer to keep something that doesn't work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    Speaking of morals, why do you think it's moral for the shop to expect a customer to keep something that doesn't work?
    Because the said customer is an adult who executed a purchase contract in good faith. Don't like the terms, don't buy it.

    They are not responsible for you hidden shaft issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    I'll bet you complain about the high cost of components too. Its stuff like the misuse of return policies that drive prices higher yet. Thanks for being willing to punk a retailer and for being part of the problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    ...Actually, this makes no sense...
    apparently you need to be reminded of your own stupidity, since you seem to be too dense to remember on your own...


    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    ...I ain't paying $200 + for the right saddle...


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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    Speaking of morals, why do you think it's moral for the shop to expect a customer to keep something that doesn't work?
    Saddles are kinda like tampons, you get advice from someone else before buying. Do you take your used tampons back because hey didn't fit? I know the first time I bought condoms, I didn't take them back because they were to small. I just went back and bought the bigger size!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    ....I just went back and bought the bigger size!
    you're stretching them over the wrong head...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Because the said customer is an adult who executed a purchase contract in good faith. Don't like the terms, don't buy it.

    They are not responsible for you hidden shaft issues.
    Best response yet [that didn't use the word taint, anyway]

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    Are we just ignoring balls? Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    Speaking of morals, why do you think it's moral for the shop to expect a customer to keep something that doesn't work?
    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Because the said customer is an adult who executed a purchase contract in good faith. Don't like the terms, don't buy it.

    They are not responsible for you hidden shaft issues.


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    Quote Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker. View Post
    you're stretching them over the wrong head...
    I thought you weren't going to tell anyone!

    Quote Originally Posted by zeppy View Post
    Best response yet [that didn't use the word taint, anyway]

    /thread.
    Taint to late to use the word taint! Hold on I gotta scratch my taint........oh yeah, that's better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    Speaking of morals, why do you think it's moral for the shop to expect a customer to keep something that doesn't work?
    This...

    This sums up why you are being maligned in this thread.

    The saddle DOES work. It isn't defective. It works just fine. YOU are returning it because it doesn't suit your fancy...AFTER you have USED it.

    You remind me of a spoiled, self-absorbed person that I use to call a friend. Him and his wife are the cheapest, most superficially gaudy people I have ever met. All image and no substance at all. This is the same person who buys tools at stores and returns them after he uses them, receiving full refund, on the merit of a fraudulent return.

    The issue isn't that you can't see the moral flaw of what it is that you think you are entitled to...it's that you don't give a schit. You see it fully, and you just don't give a schit. It's all about you getting ahead at the end of the day, right?

    I'll never see eye to eye with the likes of you. Unfortunately, the world over is filled with your ilk. Second quality peddlers like Competitive/Backcountry cater to your self-serving ideals, and the rest of us pay the price.

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    Oh and one more thing...

    How'd you get the beans above the frank???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Because the said customer is an adult who executed a purchase contract in good faith. Don't like the terms, don't buy it.

    They are not responsible for you hidden shaft issues.
    The terms are that I can return it if I don't find it suitable per the retailer's return policy. So, in light of that what you've said is not applicable to this situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    The terms are that I can return it if I don't find it suitable per the retailer's return policy. So, in light of that what you've said is not applicable to this situation.
    Then why are you whining about morals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jochribs View Post
    This...

    This sums up why you are being maligned in this thread.

    The saddle DOES work. It isn't defective. It works just fine. YOU are returning it because it doesn't suit your fancy...AFTER you have USED it.

    You remind me of a spoiled, self-absorbed person that I use to call a friend. Him and his wife are the cheapest, most superficially gaudy people I have ever met. All image and no substance at all. This is the same person who buys tools at stores and returns them after he uses them, receiving full refund, on the merit of a fraudulent return.

    The issue isn't that you can't see the moral flaw of what it is that you think you are entitled to...it's that you don't give a schit. You see it fully, and you just don't give a schit. It's all about you getting ahead at the end of the day, right?

    I'll never see eye to eye with the likes of you. Unfortunately, the world over is filled with your ilk. Second quality peddlers like Competitive/Backcountry cater to your self-serving ideals, and the rest of us pay the price.

    Um, no, if it hurts (unless it's the sit bones themselves that hurt. Those toughen up) or causes numbness it doesn't work, sorry.

    It's not a matter of morality for you. It's a matter of you wanting to feel good about yourself for saying other people should pay for things and keep them even if they do not function as they should.

    It is no more moral to screw the customer than it is to screw the shop.

    And BTW, how is the shop being screwed if it knows the saddle may be returned and goes about creating a return policy specifically for the purpose of allowing people to return things, such as saddles?

    It's not.

    Places like Back Country thrive specifically, in part, for this reason. Their customers don't have to worry about whether or not the thing they just blew a wad on not working for what it's intended to. If it doesn't work, they just send it back.


    Also, Wallingford Bike is not second rate, and they have the best saddle return policy in existence, that being one of 6 entire months.

    I guess they're immoral for helping people like me drive up the cost of saddles though, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Then why are you whining about morals?
    I wasn't. The various lunatics here blathering about how returning a saddle is immoral were. I am logically explaining how they are full of crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    I wasn't. The various lunatics here blathering about how returning a saddle is immoral were. I am logically explaining how they are full of crap.
    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    why do you think it's moral for the shop to expect a customer to keep something that doesn't work?
    You had been whining, and you are full of hidden shaft.

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    Wtb has a saddle trial program at some shops. They let you try out every one of their saddles so you can determine which one you like the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    Speaking of morals, why do you think it's moral for the shop to expect a customer to keep something that doesn't work?
    Because the saddle works fine, it just doesnt fit your ass properly after a 50 mile ride.
    You cant buy clothes and wear them for 50 hours and take them back, its unethical, same goes for something that fits under your ass.
    We live in a very 'ENTITLED' society, imo your attitude is a prime example of that.
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    Hi guys!

    There are stores that let you try out saddles so you can pick out whichever one fits you best!

    I hope that helps!

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    By the way....good writtens to you.

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    Hi girlonbike, is it good writtens to the oc, the op, or those that have replied in this thread?

    Hope we aren't loosing another young lady with a good sense of humour.

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    To this thread, silly. If I were to ever leave, it'll be in classic style.....GOODBYE PASSION! Anyhow, I love carousels but I've had enough. Unsubscribed.

    I'll see ya a little south of here....

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    Sometimes, I question the value of my content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    To this thread, silly. If I were to ever leave, it'll be in classic style.....GOODBYE PASSION! Anyhow, I love carousels but I've had enough. Unsubscribed.

    I'll see ya a little south of here....
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    Places with good return policies that sell saddles?

    Is she heading down south......to the taint?

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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    Hi girlonbike, is it good writtens to the oc, the op, or those that have replied in this thread?

    Hope we aren't loosing another young lady with a good sense of humour.
    Young lady with a good sense of humour? Ok. I dig that. But the fact that she is not a Leafs fan is a total turn on for me. I love converting girls to cheer for the best hockey team in the universe.
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    I am lucky. My brother-in-law gave me the seat from his road bike because he bought a lighter one and it fits me perfect. Very comfy and very free.

    It looks like this one:

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxforce View Post
    I am lucky. My brother-in-law gave me the seat from his road bike because he bought a lighter one and it fits me perfect. Very comfy and very free.

    It looks like this one:
    Maybe you can give it to the OP so he can send it back for a refund. He'd proly do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    By the way....good writtens to you.
    and good riddance...


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    Competitive cyclist, lifetime unlimited return policy...the best. No taxes either!

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