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    New Jet Lites HID light

    Here's a sneak peak at the new HID light from the Jet Lites. I just got it and I took a few pics. It looks awesome so far. The light is 13 watts so I think that makes it the most powerful US HID light. Everybody else is at 12 watts. The $900 lupine from germany is 16 watts.

    Battery life is claimed to be 3.5 hours but I haven't tested yet. The retail is $410. The bulb I believe is a Solarc bulb. It's extremely bright and has a beautiful, wide pattern.

    Enjoy...

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    The beam pattern is very similar to the <a href="https://www.mtbr.com/spotlight/lightshootout/beam_patterns/big/802C5504.jpg">Topeak HID</a>. The jet is just a little bit brighter.

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    I am sure that the light is good but the construction looks like something out from the dinosaurs or something. Looks very average I gotta say.

    The beam looks nice though.
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    [QUOTE=Trevor!]I am sure that the light is good but the construction looks like something out from the dinosaurs or something. Looks very average I gotta say.

    The beam looks nice though.[/QUOTE
    I AGREE THE LIGHT IS GOOD (ALL HID LAMPS USE THE SAME 10W SOLARC BULB MADE BY WELCH ALLYN THE DIFFERENT WATTS CLAIMS ITS JUST MARKETING EXCEPT FOR THE LUPINE WHO USES THEIR OWN BALLAST AND CATEYE STADIUM WHO USES A 21 W SOLARC BULB)SO ANY HID MANUFACTURES GIVES AGOOD LIGHT BUT SOME LAMPS LOOK VERY CHEAP MADE VERY PLASTIC, THE CYGOLITE, NITERIDER, LIGHT AND MOTION THIS JET HID BY THE WAY IT HAS AN HORRIBLE INDUSTRIAL DESIGN, THE GOOD ONES ARE LUME LIGHTING(BEAUTIFUL MADE) THE CATEYE STADIUM AND THE LUPINE(ALTHOUGH PLASTIC BUT VERY GOOD QUALITY)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUYOLIN
    I AGREE THE LIGHT IS GOOD (ALL HID LAMPS USE THE SAME 10W SOLARC BULB MADE BY WELCH ALLYN THE DIFFERENT WATTS CLAIMS ITS JUST MARKETING EXCEPT FOR THE LUPINE WHO USES THEIR OWN BALLAST AND CATEYE STADIUM WHO USES A 21 W SOLARC BULB)SO ANY HID MANUFACTURES GIVES AGOOD LIGHT BUT SOME LAMPS LOOK VERY CHEAP MADE VERY PLASTIC, THE CYGOLITE, NITERIDER, LIGHT AND MOTION THIS JET HID BY THE WAY IT HAS AN HORRIBLE INDUSTRIAL DESIGN, THE GOOD ONES ARE LUME LIGHTING(BEAUTIFUL MADE) THE CATEYE STADIUM AND THE LUPINE(ALTHOUGH PLASTIC BUT VERY GOOD QUALITY)
    Your assumption that all HIDs are created equal is incorrect. There are several key differences between the brands. First of all, they don't all use the same bulb and ballast. There are two varieties of the 10W Solarc bulb, one with the built in MR11 reflector and one without. Companies like Light & Motion and Lume are using their own custom reflectors. Next, there are a few different ballasts for different battery configurations. For example, the Lume and L&M are using the 8 cell (9.6V) ballast, NiteRider uses the 11 cell (13.2v) ballast, and Marwi, Trail Tech and Topeak are using the 10 cell ballast.

    Next as with most lights, the HID light output varies depending on the voltage input. For example, the 10 cell ballast gets a full 10W bulb power with about a 13V input. At 12V, the light is on low power 8W mode. And the ballast can be safely driven to an extremely bright 11W with about 13.8V. The HIDs give out more bluish light at lower power levels and more bright white at the higher levels. Now these are just the bulb wattages, the total system power will be higher because you loose some power in the ballast. This is a lot of fuzzy math used by the marketing folks.

    So with that given, all batteries vary in voltage as they go from fully charged to discharged. Some are better than others at staying relatively constant but they all change. This is where the better systems use voltage regulation to give a consistant input to the light for a consistant output. Here is where systems will vary quite a bit. The direct drive unregulated systems may be a bit brighter initially than a well regulated system but that quickly fades. Besides the variable output, the biggest disadvantage with unregulated is they limit the batteries you can use. You are limited to the voltage range of the ballast and exceeding it may cause damage. Most of the ballasts were designed for use with NiMH cells. The newer Li-Ion packs need voltage regulation for safe operation.

    But just because a system has regulation, doesn't mean it's done right. For example, I had a Marwi Extreme Pro HID. I measured the voltage output at 12V under load. With the given ballast, this was basically running the light on low power the whole time. Comparing with my current regulated Trail Tech light which I measured at 12.9V (on target for the standard 10W out), the Trail Tech is much whiter and brighter with the exact same bulb and ballast. I would guess that companies like Lupine and from what it sounds like, Jet, are pushing the upper end of the specs instead for maximum output. I really don't know why more of the other companies aren't doing the same.

    Batteries and chargers are another story for another day but needless to say, there are some big differences there as well. And then there are features, like power settings and battery levels. And then you get into mounting brackets and where the power button is located. Anyway, I just wanted to disprove the myth that all HIDs are the same. Hopefully this will shed some light on...nevermind, now I'm trying to be punny.

    Back to the regularly scheduled program...

    I've owned the Jet halogens and they were top notch. I'm sure the new HID will be excellent as well. It seems they took their time to do the research and not rush to market with a halfass product like NiteRider.
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    Offtopic slightly : Homebrew,
    Where did you measure you trailtech output ? before or after the PWM ?

    I measured mine at 13W, before the PWM or 15.5V 0.83A, I didn't measure after the PWM since I assumed PWMs are pretty efficient . Did you measure the PWM's output voltage ?

    I wonder if WA 10W rating is at the bulb or ballast input? i.e is TT overvolting the lamp ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heatstroke
    Offtopic slightly : Homebrew,
    Where did you measure you trailtech output ? before or after the PWM ?

    I measured mine at 13W, before the PWM or 15.5V 0.83A, I didn't measure after the PWM since I assumed PWMs are pretty efficient . Did you measure the PWM's output voltage ?

    I wonder if WA 10W rating is at the bulb or ballast input? i.e is TT overvolting the lamp ?

    I measured 12.9V at the input to the ballast (output of the regulator) with the light on. This puts it in the normal operating range of 12.8V-13.2V for 10W bulb power and 13W system power.
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    My $0.02

    I have the Jet Lites Halogen light. I think the product design /ergonomics are outstanding.

    I recently built a HID light setup using the TrailTech light. The product design/ergonomics are shite, comparatively. However, for $200 (including Li-Ion battery for 3.5+hrs runtime), I'll put up with the rapwithtom-onomics.
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    Good job!

    WOW its good to get all that information from you (very useful)
    i got a question for you
    which one is more powerful the 21w cateye stadium or the 16w lupine edison?
    have you seen them face to face?
    what is your opinion of lume lighting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUYOLIN
    WOW its good to get all that information from you (very useful)
    i got a question for you
    which one is more powerful the 21w cateye stadium or the 16w lupine edison?
    have you seen them face to face?
    what is your opinion of lume lighting?
    There's nothing as bright as the Edison 16w today.

    We tested the Cateye stadium light in 2001. It was good but it seemed like the beam was just about as bright as a Jet lites 32 watt light. The color was very blueish-white.

    I checked them out and it doesn't seem like they've updated that product since 2001. It's still got hideous box-ballast that goes between the bulb and the battery. I'll send them an email though and see if they'll send us a new set to test.

    francois

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    Thanks, I was unaware that the ballast consumed 3watts..

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    What do I do with

    my updated and maintained 3 lights, 2 new batteries, 2 chargers (one new in box) and all the adapters and wire and mounts and.....

    And they still work as well as the day I got them.

    Hmn, is there an www.excuse.com site to go to offer uniques excuses that will trick my wife?

    Jim

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    Marty Goodman from the BikeCurrent list did some testing with the Cateye Stadium and found it to be grossly underpowered. He found that if you put a much higher voltage to it, it was much brighter. Stock, it wasn't worth the price and weight. It would be a major undertaking to DIY a better solution with the Cateye. I don't remember all the details but you could search the list archives if you're really interested. I really don't think there is any need for more light than a well regulated standard HID.
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    There's nothing as bright as the Edison 16w today.

    We tested the Cateye stadium light in 2001. It was good but it seemed like the beam was just about as bright as a Jet lites 32 watt light. The color was very blueish-white.

    I checked them out and it doesn't seem like they've updated that product since 2001. It's still got hideous box-ballast that goes between the bulb and the battery. I'll send them an email though and see if they'll send us a new set to test.

    francois
    I checked with Cateye and they discontinued the Stadium light a year ago.

    frc

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