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    Let's ditch full rigid

    Y'all,
    Time to set the record straight. There are three main types of bikes:
    • Full suspension (front & rear suspension)
    • Hardtail (front suspension)
    • Rigid (no suspension)

    That's it. It makes no more sense to say "full rigid" than it does to say "full hardtail" and nobody says that. If you ride rigid -- and good on ya if you do -- just say, "I ride a rigid bike." It's badass enough.
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    P.S. No doubt someone will come along to ask what about suspension seatposts. Well, like grips with wings, bar ends, weird saddles and the like, bolt-on rear suspension doesn't actually count, it just makes your bike look weird. It's actually fake suspension. Either hold your head up high and say "I ride rigid" (actually lying a little bit) or be more honest & say, "I'm semi-rigid right now." Be sure to wink if you do say this.
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    I not only ride rigid, I install leg braces to prevent my knees from bending. Now that's riding rigid!

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    What about fully limp recumbents?

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    If person rides rigid bike out of saddle, then isn't that less rigid than riding from saddle (riding full rigid when on saddle)?

    Then again, hard tail is not rigid at all when riding out of saddle.

    Quite often I ride my hardtail almost rigid though as front forks did seize up.

    I think that it is too dangerous to box different bikes into tight categories, much better to just ride them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat View Post
    What about fully limp recumbents?
    I'm fairly certain that's redundant, as the adjective is implied by the noun itself.
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    Even if you’re an EnduroBro you can’t say “full rigid”? That’s harsh brah
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    I'm with you on this one. Also add "forks" to the list of words to ditch when you're talking about a single fork.

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    I ditched fully rigid in 1996, then ditched hardtail for trail riding in 1998. Haven't looked back since.

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    yeah but what about soemthing like a flext stem or suspension seatpost, or softride. ... rigid frame with a suspension component...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mik_git View Post
    yeah but what about soemthing like a flext stem or suspension seatpost, or softride. ... rigid frame with a suspension component...
    You just broke the internet.
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    What do you call a "full suspension" mtb that is down to its frame alone?

    I think ebay had options for full, rear, and maybe dual when I listed one.

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    This must be part of "Festivus", the airing of grievances?
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    Full rigid = no dropper on your rigid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    Full rigid = no dropper on your rigid?

    full rigid = no tires on your rigid
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    full rigid = no tires on your rigid
    You can have tires but they must be solid rubber

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    This is why I don’t ask and don’t care what bike you ride, I just want to see pictures
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    I'm with you on this one. Also add "forks" to the list of words to ditch when you're talking about a single fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    I'm with you on this one. Also add "forks" to the list of words to ditch when you're talking about a single fork.
    Right on. How many forks? One. So it's a fork. Thanks, OHM.

    And since we've already started down this road, let's go all the way. It's a suspension fork, not a "front shock."
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    There is a 4th type of bike I will call a combo. My hardtail has a lock out fork, making it a rigid and a hardtail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kuhl View Post
    There is a 4th type of bike I will call a combo. My hardtail has a lock out fork, making it a rigid and a hardtail.
    Does that make my FS with F/R lockout a FS, hardtail, and rigid?

    No. You have a hardtail. I have a FS.

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    guilty as charged.

    will keep OP's intent in mind when making future posts re my karate monkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kuhl View Post
    There is a 4th type of bike I will call a combo. My hardtail has a lock out fork, making it a rigid and a hardtail.
    No, it’s still a hardtail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Y'all,
    Time to set the record straight. There are three main types of bikes:
    • Full suspension (front & rear suspension)
    • Hardtail (front suspension)
    • Rigid (no suspension)

    That's it. It makes no more sense to say "full rigid" than it does to say "full hardtail" and nobody says that. If you ride rigid -- and good on ya if you do -- just say, "I ride a rigid bike." It's badass enough.
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    P.S. No doubt someone will come along to ask what about suspension seatposts. Well, like grips with wings, bar ends, weird saddles and the like, bolt-on rear suspension doesn't actually count, it just makes your bike look weird. It's actually fake suspension. Either hold your head up high and say "I ride rigid" (actually lying a little bit) or be more honest & say, "I'm semi-rigid right now." Be sure to wink if you do say this.
    Why say “full-suspension “, then?
    Suspension
    Hardtail
    Rigid.

    There.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downcountry View Post
    Why say “full-suspension “, then?
    Suspension
    Hardtail
    Rigid.

    There.
    Hey, yeah. We don’t say “half suspension” or “partial suspension.”

    We don’t need to specify “full suspension motorcycle” or “full suspension car” do we, so at this point are mountain bikes with suspension on both front and rear standard enough to just call them “mountain bikes?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by downcountry View Post
    Why say “full-suspension “, then?
    Suspension
    Hardtail
    Rigid.

    There.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nat View Post
    Hey, yeah. We don’t say “half suspension” or “partial suspension.”
    Truth! Now we're gettin' somewhere. Although technically one might argue that a hardtail is a suspension bike. But in common use, no one would do that. No one would refer to their hardtail as a suspension bike, so yeah, "suspension," "hardtail" and "rigid" are essential terms. Let's go with it.
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    Let's not forget about soft-tails.

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    I reserve the term "full rigid" for when I'm talking to the wifey.
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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Curveball again.
    For this exclusive purpose, the phrase "full rigid" shall remain! Best yet, for wifeys everywhere to exclaim as excitedly and as frequently as possible.

    Okay, let's tie this up with a bow on this Christmas Day. Whenever some unsuspecting, out-of-the-loop MTBR poster employs the phrase "full rigid" to describe his/her bike, please set them straight (ahem) by pointing them (ahem) at this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    I reserve the term "full rigid" for when I'm talking to the wifey.
    Long hard fully rigid night rides?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Whenever some unsuspecting, out-of-the-loop MTBR poster employs the phrase "full rigid" to describe his/her bike, please set them straight (ahem) by pointing them (ahem) at this thread.
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    The comment is not about how you are riding, but rather what you are riding.

    If you are riding rigid, it differs from riding a rigid.

    Therefore, standing is removed from this example of bike style.


    Somebody tells me they are riding rigid, depending on the person/context, I assume they are either riding too tight or um....never mind.

    Somebody tells me they are riding a rigid, I say "Yeah, I'm looking at your bike and noticed that".


    Lockouts don't count on a fork, on forks or suspension fork(s). That's selectable and is therefore void.

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    Let's ditch full rigid

    Or, maybe ditch "hardtail" and start saying "half-rigid".
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    Quote Originally Posted by net wurker View Post
    Or, maybe ditch "hardtail" and start saying "half-rigid".
    Is the hardtail half-rigid or half-suspended?
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    I guess it depends on your worldview.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    Let's not forget about soft-tails.
    What do I call the bike I have with a soft-tail frame and a rigid fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgltrak View Post
    What do I call the bike I have with a soft-tail frame and a rigid fork?
    A curiosity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgltrak View Post
    What do I call the bike I have with a soft-tail frame and a rigid fork?
    I'd probably go with "Frank"
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgltrak View Post
    What do I call the bike I have with a soft-tail frame and a rigid fork?
    That's a hard nose.

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    I have an old Hardrock FS. It's a hardtail.
    Let's ditch full rigid-img_20190618_122104199_hdr%7E2.jpg
    Should I add springs to the back, or sand off the "FS"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat View Post
    Hey, yeah. We don’t say “half suspension” or “partial suspension.”

    We don’t need to specify “full suspension motorcycle” or “full suspension car” do we, so at this point are mountain bikes with suspension on both front and rear standard enough to just call them “mountain bikes?”
    Sure. As long as no one rides a rigid Mountain bike or a hardtail Mountain bike.
    Maybe what needs to be dropped is the term "Mountain bike".
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    I'm with you on this one. Also add "forks" to the list of words to ditch when you're talking about a single fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    I'd probably go with "Frank"
    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    That's a hard nose.
    Quote Originally Posted by downcountry View Post
    A curiosity?
    So "Frank, the Hard-nose Curiosity" it is. Thanks for the naming assistance.
    Let's ditch full rigid-capture-_2019-12-26-19-24-02.jpg
    The bike has been fitted with a bikepacking fork and demoted to gravel duty since I cracked the frame last spring in Moab.

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    Full rigid= no seat or grips on your rigid..

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    do people still actually say "fully rigid"? do these same people also insist on calling all stems "gooseneck" and refer to call road bikes as "ten speed"?

    most bicycles (tandems notwithstanding) only have one fork and one handlebar. maybe it's a handlesbar. Unless it's some kind of mad scientist-created mutant, a frame with suspension has a shock, not shocks. I don't understand the need to make singular things sound plural. it just makes us sound ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgltrak View Post
    So "Frank, the Hard-nose Curiosity" it is. Thanks for the naming assistance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    do people still actually say "fully rigid"? do these same people also insist on calling all stems "gooseneck" and refer to call road bikes as "ten speed"?

    most bicycles (tandems notwithstanding) only have one fork and one handlebar. maybe it's a handlesbar. Unless it's some kind of mad scientist-created mutant, a frame with suspension has a shock, not shocks. I don't understand the need to make singular things sound plural. it just makes us sound ignorant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    Is the hardtail half-rigid or half-suspended?
    i vote for this.
    suspension
    half suspension
    non suspension



    or maybe just "bike"

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    Quote Originally Posted by be1 View Post
    i vote for this.
    suspension
    half suspension
    non suspension



    or maybe just "bike"
    You're looking at it backwards, as though suspension were the default.
    I say this makes more sense:
    Bike
    Half or front suspension
    Full suspension.

    I'd wager that there are far more bikes without suspension than with. Remember that all terrain cycling is just a niche in the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Truth! Now we're gettin' somewhere. Although technically one might argue that a hardtail is a suspension bike. But in common use, no one would do that. No one would refer to their hardtail as a suspension bike, so yeah, "suspension," "hardtail" and "rigid" are essential terms. Let's go with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusBrody View Post
    We are going to have so much more time for riding this year!
    Time for riding? Riding what?
    • DH
    • Enduro
    • Downcountry
    • All mountain
    • XC
    • Etc, etc, blah, blah, blah...

    More defining to be done!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bronxbomber252 View Post
    You can have tires but they must be solid rubber
    LMAO

    "Always usually" come with solid rubber wheels, solid saddle without any form of padding, no dropper and, no grips for full rattle experience...
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    Quote Originally Posted by edubfromktown View Post
    LMAO

    "Always usually" come with solid rubber wheels, solid saddle without any form of padding, no dropper and, no grips for full rattle experience...
    Lol now we've finally found the definition of a dentist's bike: one that rattles your teeth out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Okay, let's tie this up with a bow on this Christmas Day. Whenever some unsuspecting, out-of-the-loop MTBR poster employs the phrase "full rigid" to describe his/her bike, please set them straight (ahem) by pointing them (ahem) at this thread.
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    I get the idea here and like to be a team player but I might often ignore this calling out just because the 'pants' or 'forks' point of view makes me think of things going in the direction of Grammar Police. For me, it's sometimes a quagmire in the way of most things mtb I'm hunting down or perusing.
    Definitely not bad here as some forums I've seen, yet I sometimes see tight-a$$ policing calling out of some minor things and although I'm sure it's difficult for some to let it slide or not take the spotlight, I'll keep my focus on things more to my interest.

    That said, I DO understand there are often times correct designation of a style, type or component can be crucial for understanding or not mis-informing. Where safety is related or correction will 'fix', I'll def try to keep in the spirit of intentions.

    -Someone may have posted or asked but I'm wondering if 'a dually' is acceptable for full sus ?

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    So full squish, half squish and no squish is what we're going with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Y'all,
    Time to set the record straight. There are three main types of bikes:
    • Full suspension (front & rear suspension)
    • Hardtail (front suspension)
    • Rigid (no suspension)

    That's it. It makes no more sense to say "full rigid" than it does to say "full hardtail" and nobody says that. If you ride rigid -- and good on ya if you do -- just say, "I ride a rigid bike." It's badass enough.
    =sParty

    P.S. No doubt someone will come along to ask what about suspension seatposts. Well, like grips with wings, bar ends, weird saddles and the like, bolt-on rear suspension doesn't actually count, it just makes your bike look weird. It's actually fake suspension. Either hold your head up high and say "I ride rigid" (actually lying a little bit) or be more honest & say, "I'm semi-rigid right now." Be sure to wink if you do say this.

    LOL @ full hardtail, that's really funny, have not heard that one yet.

    I was looking at dropper posts earlier this week (my 100mm one is not cutting it on steep climbs), and came across a Suntour 'suspension post' with 65mm of travel. As in you hit a bump and the seat bounces. They advertised it as "It feels just like having full suspension". LOL. People actually complain about the feeling of full suspension, because they say it feels like their rear tire is going flat. So I dunno if that's a good thing to feel like it's full suspension when it isn't.

    As far as rigid is concerned, I wish they made cheaper bikes rigid instead of putting on a cheap coil fork like a Suntour XCT (or worse). They could then put on wide tires, like a 2.6 or a plus tire and get 'some' suspension, maybe 10-20mm directly from the tires. The cheapest decent air fork is $250+ so that's too expensive for an entry-level bike; they should just make them rigid instead of putting beginners through the never-ending pogo stick torture.
    40% of the population doesn't even understand what a dictatorship is. Or worse...far worse...they don't care.

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    Fully rigid seems aluminum. Maybe we term it hard-ass rigid?
    Comfort rigid - steel
    Springy rigid - carbon
    Lively rigid- ti

    I've met some Full Rigid personalities.
    I'll bet you have too.
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