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    Do you have a bell on your bike?

    One of my buddies was (a long time ago) making fun of me for having such a high regard for the bicycle bell. New riding partners would also joke, "where's the ice cream?"

    But now again, on my new bike I'm looking for the best spot to install one.

    How many of you have a ding ding ding bell on your mountain bike? Where do you have it installed? Within easy reach of your right thumb?

    I'm thinking maybe upside down this time on my handlebar...
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    I see no harm.
    Most my bikes either have a hanging/jingling bell, or one I can ring.
    Round and round we go

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    I have an upside down one on my SS. I pretend it's a shifter sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    I see no harm.
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    You see "no harm?" What kind of perspective is that? Of course there's no harm. How can a bell harm any soul? Maybe making certain species of bird poop uncontrollably?

    J/K

    The reason is that my descents are often fast with blind corners. Surely I never go over any speed limits , but coming up from behind hikers and dog-walkers are common. I'm often in the lead, too, so ding ding ding.

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    i would get a bell, but i spent all my money on handlebar tassels instead

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElDuderino2412 View Post
    i would get a bell, but i spent all my money on handlebar tassels instead
    Yes of course. I'm sure you also have a tall fluorescent flag pole on your coaster seat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solidass View Post
    Yes of course. I'm sure you also have a tall fluorescent flag pole on your coaster seat.
    Are you spying on my bike? WTF?!!! I have sparkly paint too, to go with my purple handle bar tassles. My favorite part is the coaster hand brake, so I can skid all over the trail and do 360s on the ground.

    I do not have a bell like that. I find yelling to be more effective...or screaming like a little girl. I do carry a bear bell now and then, so I jingle. It's not nearly as loud as those super bells though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solidass View Post
    Yes of course. I'm sure you also have a tall fluorescent flag pole on your coaster seat.
    I wish. Ex girlfriend made me take it off. Said it was to much of a chick magnet.

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    I have one...left side, I don't use that shifter as much. I think it is more effective than calling out. I think most hikers these days respond better to the bell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitmenOnlyInc View Post
    I have one...left side, I don't use that shifter as much. I think it is more effective than calling out. I think most hikers these days respond better to the bell.
    My rule for ringing bell:
    1. coming up from behind hikers, dog walkers, etc. (people on foot)
    2. coming up fast from behind slow riders, like in descents

    No need to ring bell:
    3. coming in front of hikers, dog walkers, etc. (unless they clearly dont' see you)
    4. most situations with other riders

    DO NOT RING BELL:
    5. if there are horses! (they seem to prefer human voice)

    Then there are bovines where I ride. So maybe I have to upgrade to this. The label says it all:
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    I have my bell mounted on the left side upright. It seems to be taken
    better than yelling at people.

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    I actually have two, on handlebar mounted to deal with hikers and a bear bell that is hanging under the saddle when going deep in the woods.

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    I have bells on each of my bike because we ride on multi-use trails here. They are just mounted to the handlebar within reach of my thumb. I also migged up a bolt/nut setup so I can mount a bell to the headset preload bolt.
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    Klunker has a Mickey and the Beanstalk bell on the top of the bar. My other mountain bikes have Incredibells under the left side handlebar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HitmenOnlyInc View Post
    I have one...left side, I don't use that shifter as much. I think it is more effective than calling out. I think most hikers these days respond better to the bell.
    Agree, left side ... Also, when getting some pavement spin in, I sometimes run across situations like freeway overpasses, where space is very limited.
    Ring the bell, slow way down, and say thank you as I pass ... Especially if it's a little old lady.

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    I have a bell on my hard trail, which I also use to tow the kids around in their trailer.
    If I am on my XC bike, then I just use the rear hub for making a bit of racket when approaching hikers/slow riders and a polite 'excuse me' and 'thanks' if they still don't get the gist of what is happening. Unfortunately even with all of the above, some people just have no idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiRt DeViL View Post
    I actually have two, on handlebar mounted to deal with hikers and a bear bell that is hanging under the saddle when going deep in the woods.
    357 Magnum for 4 legged things that get agressive, but I'd carry more, if I biked in bear country ... And with the exception of a rabid animal, I'm more concerned with the 2 legged type of back country animal, anyway

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    I have a tiny silver bell on the bar on the left side where my thumb can flick it. it's great for bike paths with slow moving walkers or skinny two-way trails.

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    Incredibells on all but the road bike. Just a friendly heads up when I find myself on multi-use trails. You also might be surprised how often people will move over for you during a race after a bell ring : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grinderz View Post
    I have a bell on my hard trail, which I also use to tow the kids around in their trailer.
    If I am on my XC bike, then I just use the rear hub for making a bit of racket when approaching hikers/slow riders and a polite 'excuse me' and 'thanks' if they still don't get the gist of what is happening. Unfortunately even with all of the above, some people just have no idea.
    Same, I have Dt swiss 240 hub and they make a fair bit of noise

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    Got a small bell for some right thumb action, I find the sound travels much better that my huffing and puffing self trying to shout out. I tend to give a single ding when I'm 30-40 yards behind people, that normally does the trick and gives them enough time to see me coming without being spooked. If they don't react they get another ding when I'm closer.

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    IncrediBell on every one of my bikes, road, town, three MTBs. Riding singletrack I always ding on blind turns. A bell beats a voice because it has no emotional content, and it is not misinterpreted as hostility. IncrediBell is the only brand to use.

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    I have debated about it.

    I didn't know if ringing a bell would be considered rude or not though so I just yell STRAVA! and people seem to move.

    J/k about the yelling strava part but how do hikers generally perceive the bell?
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    No Bell on my ride

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    Yep. On each bike. I use one of the small bells similar to the that the first poster showed.

    It's a matter of courtesy to use them when you see hikers etc coming. Use the bell well before you get there give them time to react. The number one complaint about us mtbers is startling others. A couple of hundred feet of warning is usually appreciated. In fact, twice now hikers have thanked me for ringing the bell.

    I've kinda been thinking about one of those clown horns for the old mtb. Who knows?

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    Do you have a bell on your bike?

    Titanium, with machined bell and carbon fiber clamp. It was $270 but was 30 grams lighter than my old bell.

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    I have a bell on my trail dog, does that count? It rings whenever he moves so its like a hands free device

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    Back in the day when I had V brakes I would click the levers to get hikers attention. Now I just politely in a raised voice say "Rider!". A lot of hikers and joggers thank me. The trick is to say it well before you pass and in a calm manner.

    The only times I have a problem is with loose kids. They're kinda like deer in headlights. They just freeze up or walk towards you as you try to pass. I don't think a bell would help much with that situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    IncrediBell on every one of my bikes, road, town, three MTBs. Riding singletrack I always ding on blind turns. A bell beats a voice because it has no emotional content, and it is not misinterpreted as hostility. IncrediBell is the only brand to use.

    My bike dues are paid for life. I don't care what other people think about how I set up my bikes.
    The Incredibell website also provides audio previews of their bells.
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    I do the old upside down incredibell trick. Mine is all black, so very unobtrusive.

    I don't know if it's dehydration, or hyperventilation, or the doppler effective, or what, but I've found my voice tends to scare people on the trail.

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    I've broken more bells than I can count. I've switched to bear bells. My favorite set up is an REI bear bell coupled with a rare earth magnet silencer. All my bikes are steel so the magnet stick to the HT and the bell coupled to the HB. When I approach hikers, I just kick it loose.
    I used to be religious about having one, now I only carry one during peak trail hours/days. (we are pretty unpopulated in this corner of the state)

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    I have a jingling bell fastened to a small carabiner I can quickly attach it when the trails are crowded. Almost every ride that I use it, hikers will thank me for having the bell. It seems to give them enough warning that I'm coming.
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    I hate bells and i hate them even more on a bike, just ridiculous stuff lol, i have a mouth that when i open it all sorts of sounds can be made, like please stay to you left, thankyou,have a good one, cheers, etc, a bell says none of that, it just makes an irritating noise that only startles people and makes them confused.
    Bells are over rated..
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    I have one at my roadracing bike. In the Netherlands a bell is very usefull due to heavy traffic at bicycle paths.

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    Here is what i use...



    Its a custom mini air horn. The cartridge goes dead after a few uses, but the volume is equal to a semi truck's air horn. Surprisingly light weight, 73 grams lighter than an actual hand held air horn duct tapped to the handle bars like i used to use.

    I have found it very useful. Trail users wearing ear buds can still hear me. Very effective for clearing trail in front of me. Avg air under the feet of hikers is 7-8 inches but ive seen people jump as far as 3 feet laterally. Equestrians are fond of it as well, i am helping their horses acclimate to new noises on trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRingGrinder View Post
    Here is what i use...



    Its a custom mini air horn. The cartridge goes dead after a few uses, but the volume is equal to a semi truck's air horn. Surprisingly light weight, 73 grams lighter than an actual hand held air horn duct tapped to the handle bars like i used to use.

    I have found it very useful. Trail users wearing ear buds can still hear me. Very effective for clearing trail in front of me. Avg air under the feet of hikers is 7-8 inches but ive seen people jump as far as 3 feet laterally. Equestrians are fond of it as well, i am helping their horses acclimate to new noises on trail.
    BWAHAHAHAHA, Bigring, im starting to really warm to your humour and style mate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott In MD View Post
    Titanium, with machined bell and carbon fiber clamp. It was $270 but was 30 grams lighter than my old bell.
    Can you tell me where you got this bell? I installed a regular aluminum bell and due to the tremendous weight gain and wind drag I lost 0:47 on one of my Strava segments. Something with less mass would probably be best to to retain my KOM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat Again??? View Post
    ...I don't know if it's dehydration, or hyperventilation, or the doppler effective, or what, but I've found my voice tends to scare people on the trail.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    ... i have a mouth that when i open it all sorts of sounds can be made, like please stay to you left, thankyou,have a good one, cheers, etc, a bell says none of that, it just makes an irritating noise that only startles people and makes them confused.
    Bells are over rated..
    Thank you for your comments!

    I'm also in the "my yelling is ineffective" camp. When hikers, bird watchers and dog walkers hear me give vocal warning, they tend to ignore "outside conversation" until it's too late. At best it takes them a second or two to interpret the message (that I'm on a bike and I'm fast approaching).

    A single *DING*, however, gets the message across instantly. And usually from much further out.

    No need to interrupt my aerobic breathing.

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    funniest post I've read in a while!

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    Should your tassels match your bell, or is contrast better ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    I hate bells and i hate them even more on a bike, just ridiculous stuff lol, i have a mouth that when i open it all sorts of sounds can be made, like please stay to you left, thankyou,have a good one, cheers, etc, a bell says none of that, it just makes an irritating noise that only startles people and makes them confused.
    Bells are over rated..
    I don't blame you hating bells, especially the ones that turn the user into a mute.
    Consciousness, that annoying time between bike rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRingGrinder View Post
    Here is what i use...



    Its a custom mini air horn. The cartridge goes dead after a few uses, but the volume is equal to a semi truck's air horn. Surprisingly light weight, 73 grams lighter than an actual hand held air horn duct tapped to the handle bars like i used to use.

    I have found it very useful. Trail users wearing ear buds can still hear me. Very effective for clearing trail in front of me. Avg air under the feet of hikers is 7-8 inches but ive seen people jump as far as 3 feet laterally. Equestrians are fond of it as well, i am helping their horses acclimate to new noises on trail.
    This is awesome! IF it's real, got a link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAmHolland View Post
    This is awesome! IF it's real, got a link?
    Sure. Here ya go:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    I hate bells and i hate them even more on a bike, just ridiculous stuff lol, i have a mouth that when i open it all sorts of sounds can be made, like please stay to you left, thankyou,have a good one, cheers, etc, a bell says none of that, it just makes an irritating noise that only startles people and makes them confused.
    Bells are over rated..
    I could not disagree more. When you yell at people, it is often misinterpreted. When you say something about "...your left," people don't know whether you are passing on the left or you want them to move left. If you expect verbal instructions to be understood, you are delusional. Even people who do not speak English understand the language of a bike bell.

    A bell does not issue instructions that need to be understood and complied with. It has no "tone of voice" that can be interpreted as hostility. It is not interpreted as male or female, with attached emotional baggage. WTF is not to like about a bell? As I said, every bike I own has an IncrediBell, the best I have ever found. I'm hardly a beginner at this, a cyclist for over 40 years and a mountain biker for 35.

    I'm curious as to what you do on blind turns on singletrack. Do you yell every time you approach one, dozens of times on each ride? I ding the bell and I never surprise anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    This is what I have on mine

    And you ride behind that? I see
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    I could not disagree more. When you yell at people, it is often misinterpreted. When you say something about "...your left," people don't know whether you are passing on the left or you want them to move left. If you expect verbal instructions to be understood, you are delusional. Even people who do not speak English understand the language of a bike bell.

    A bell does not issue instructions that need to be understood and complied with. It has no "tone of voice" that can be interpreted as hostility. It is not interpreted as male or female, with attached emotional baggage. WTF is not to like about a bell? As I said, every bike I own has an IncrediBell, the best I have ever found. I'm hardly a beginner at this, a cyclist for over 40 years and a mountain biker for 35.

    I'm curious as to what you do on blind turns on singletrack. Do you yell every time you approach one, dozens of times on each ride? I ding the bell and I never surprise anyone.
    Well said!

    If we get serious about it (this topic and sharing the trails in general), then using a bell is a no brainer.

    The basic fact that any courteous vocal callout has to be YELLED OUT to get most people's attention becomes a hostile bark. There's no effective way around it.

    By comparison, a simple *DING* is totally cool.

    But I'm glad for Tone's honest comment here. We can then discuss it. The greater danger is when posers and wannabes run the humor mill with snide remarks, discreetly embarrassed by the thought of a bell, and we never know if they're just enjoying the forums or truly out there ruining it for all mountain bikers. We don't want an adversarial relationship with non biking people on the trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    I hate bells and i hate them even more on a bike, just ridiculous stuff lol, i have a mouth that when i open it all sorts of sounds can be made, like please stay to you left, thankyou,have a good one, cheers, etc, a bell says none of that, it just makes an irritating noise that only startles people and makes them confused.
    Bells are over rated..
    I hate bells, too. Very annoying when someone just dings it at you smugly. Or worse, rings the bell and says nothing to you. If I was ringing a bell going into every corner, I'd drive myself crazy.

    I deal with the lack of a bell on my bike by riding under control on single track where I can't see ahead of me, and speaking (nicely) to people when I am approaching them. I find that slowing and asking "can I get by on your left, please ... how's it going .. have a good one" works pretty well. At least, in 14 years of riding, I haven't hit anyone yet, and the only people I can tell I've made mad at me for passing in this manner were just plain mad that I was riding on "their" walking trail -- not sure a bell would have helped there.
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    I run a bear bell in hiker popular areas. If they are surprised its only because they're too dialled into their granola lifestyle. I usually ask if they like the bell as I roll past...

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    Passed a couple of pedestrians and dinged the bell. As I rode on, I heard the man say to the woman, "I GOTTA get a bell!"

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    Do you have a bell on your bike?

    Nothing ends the day with more happiness than an argument about bells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tystevens View Post
    I hate bells, too. Very annoying when someone just dings it at you smugly. Or worse, rings the bell and says nothing to you. If I was ringing a bell going into every corner, I'd drive myself crazy...
    But for argument sake, how do you know they're doing it smugly? Maybe they're doing it gratefully and cooperatively.

    And why is it worse when they say nothing to you? Don't you know a *DING* is merely a universal signal to announce one's presence? Just like a car horn. Or a fog horn. Why do you need an oral conversation?

    So when you add it up, announcing your presence at every blind corner to alert someone who may *just happen* to be approaching on the blind side should be common sense and helpful not driving you crazy.

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    It was a wise man who once said that people who don't like bells generally don't like puppies or chocolate ice cream too.

    My man Ravin' EPO had a rap on that, went kinda like this, gimme a beat, uh-one, uh-two:

    Hear the sledges with the bells -
    Silver bells!
    What a world of merriment their melody foretells!
    How they tinkle, tinkle, tinkle,
    In the icy air of night!
    While the stars that oversprinkle
    All the heavens, seem to twinkle
    With a crystalline delight;
    Keeping time, time, time,
    In a sort of Runic rhyme,
    To the tintinnabulation that so musically wells
    From the bells, bells, bells, bells,
    Bells, bells, bells -
    From the jingling and the tinkling of the bells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    It was a wise man who once said that people who don't like bells generally don't like puppies or chocolate ice cream too.

    My man Ravin' EPO had a rap on that, went kinda like this, gimme a beat, uh-one, uh-two:

    Hear the sledges with the bells -
    Silver bells!
    What a world of merriment their melody foretells!
    How they tinkle, tinkle, tinkle,
    In the icy air of night!
    While the stars that oversprinkle
    All the heavens, seem to twinkle
    With a crystalline delight;
    Keeping time, time, time,
    In a sort of Runic rhyme,
    To the tintinnabulation that so musically wells
    From the bells, bells, bells, bells,
    Bells, bells, bells -
    From the jingling and the tinkling of the bells.
    WTF, say what?

    Dude, just say no, or at least no more and step away from the bong.
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    Do you have a bell on your bike?

    I run a bear bell, got it from R.E.I.
    http://www.rei.com/product/721998/co...netic-silencer

    Comes with a cover to quite the bell.
    A few bucks, simple and clean.

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    Re: Do you have a bell on your bike?

    I have an Incredi-bell. Love it. Comes in handy a LOT on the tow path/canal going into DC. Lots of foot traffic and everyone respects that you use it instead of yelling. Comes in handy on the trails too.

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    No bell.
    I have Avid Elixrs. Same difference.

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    HAHAHA! I have to admit, I have some squealing cantilevers on my errand bike that I use with the same effect.

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    Yes, bell ringer here.

    "Ring, ring!"... In other words, GTFOOTW!!!
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    Incredibell, on every recent bike I've owed. Hikers react well to bikes, they react poorly to shouts or being surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    Yes, bell ringer here.

    "Ring, ring!"... In other words, GTFOOTW!!!
    I have loud hubs. No, wait, that's a different thread. Yeah, I have a bell. No one ever hears it though, because they're all wearing ear buds. Smugly.

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    Do you have a bell on your bike?

    People who hate bells are the same ones who said "nobody's gonna make me wear a damn seatbelt in my own f'in car!" 30 years ago.

    Ding ding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solidass View Post
    Do you have a bell on your bike?
    Truck/marine horns:
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    The bell didnt seem to work all that well.
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    The other thing is "on your left" and similar shout results in people moving (oftentimes JUMPING) to the left about 1/3 of the time.

    The bell isn't a direction to move in any particular direction--that responsibility stays with the walker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    It was a wise man who once said that people who don't like bells generally don't like puppies or chocolate ice cream too.

    My man Ravin' EPO had a rap on that, went kinda like this, gimme a beat, uh-one, uh-two:

    Hear the sledges with the bells -
    Silver bells!
    What a world of merriment their melody foretells!
    How they tinkle, tinkle, tinkle,
    In the icy air of night!
    While the stars that oversprinkle
    All the heavens, seem to twinkle
    With a crystalline delight;
    Keeping time, time, time,
    In a sort of Runic rhyme,
    To the tintinnabulation that so musically wells
    From the bells, bells, bells, bells,
    Bells, bells, bells -
    From the jingling and the tinkling of the bells.
    Sounds like Jerry lyrics to me.
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    Do you have a bell on your bike?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    I hate bells and i hate them even more on a bike, just ridiculous stuff lol, i have a mouth that when i open it all sorts of sounds can be made, like please stay to you left, thankyou,have a good one, cheers, etc, a bell says none of that, it just makes an irritating noise that only startles people and makes them confused.
    Bells are over rated..
    Off road, yes. On road maybe not. New York State law requires them. I live in nose bleed upstate and very few riders have them. But in NYC different story. If you ride across the Brooklyn Bridge it will become crystal clear. Especially if you are a hipster on a fixie.

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    Re: Do you have a bell on your bike?

    Here is mine.

    I feel pretty strongly that bells are the best way to let people know that you are there. In my circle, road cyclists have gotten a very bad name in Anchorage for yelling at people on multi-use trails.

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    My wife has one of these on her Tallboy.....it rings forever, and you can hear it a looooong way away.




    I use a Bear Bell and an Incredibell on the SS.......and a Bear Bell on the Tallboy.

    Cant use a bar mounted bell on my Tallboy because I use Gripshift.


    I find that the Bear Bell gets the most attention. Have had more hikers/equestrians thank me for having it.
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    I tried riding with a bell for a season. Didn't really work. Most of that is my fault as I always forgot I had it and I would just resort to calling out ahead as I rode up on other trail users. The few times I did use it, they either wouldn't hear it until I was right up on them or they would just look around confused, wondering where the sound came from. It tended to scare horses and hikers around blind corners would just have kept on walking towards me because they didn't understand what the sound meant. If I was riding in the city or on a m.u.p. then I could see where it would be useful. I finally just took it off. I'd rather talk to people.
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    I have an early warning system, bells on my 2 dogs. They let people know that they (and me) are there. I also have a bell on the bar which I use for the dogs. One ding means get out of the way, 2 dings means we are changing direction.

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    Hear the story about the mountain biker who got killed?

    Oddly, it didn't have anything to do with a bike bell.

    Instead, it was a cow bell. Or many cow bells. He heard them ringing from over a hill, but couldn't figure out what they were. So he jumped the ridge, got airborne, then noticed too late the massive cows crossing.

    He landed awkwardly, to say the least, and crushed his you know what, tear open his. Two cows were hurt but survived. He died on the long agonizing way to the hospital.

    Moral of the story you suffer if you can't figure out the meaning of a ringing bell.

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    No bell for me. I mostly ride on 1 direction bike trails. Even so, I doubt anyone will hear you while they are running with their IPODS blasting in their ears.

    Regardless I would never put a bell on my bike for many reasons a few of which I will not comment on. The biggest one is I'm sort of a minimalist. Don't need it so why have it....something else to break. Number 2 is there is no way I'd be dinging a bell going down a trail.

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    those bear bells would drive me nuts
    Kind of ruins the whole nature serenity vibe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElDuderino2412 View Post
    those bear bells would drive me nuts
    Kind of ruins the whole nature serenity vibe.


    After a while, you no longer hear it.

    After a while, it is no more noisy than your bike.
    Bicycles dont have motors or batteries.

    Ebikes are not bicycles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    I tried riding with a bell for a season. Didn't really work. Most of that is my fault as I always forgot I had it
    What with brake levers, trigger shifters, dropper post remote and shock lockout remote, don't blame anyone forgetting they have a bell, let alone using it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironsinker View Post
    No bell for me. I mostly ride on 1 direction bike trails. Even so, I doubt anyone will hear you while they are running with their IPODS blasting in their ears.
    The trails I ride are two direction, and I never see anyone on it with earbuds. What would you do on a two-direction trail?

    Regardless I would never put a bell on my bike for many reasons a few of which I will not comment on. The biggest one is I'm sort of a minimalist. Don't need it so why have it....something else to break. Number 2 is there is no way I'd be dinging a bell going down a trail.
    No way I wouldn't be dinging my bell on blind turns. Is your "minimalist" bike a SS with no front brake? I ride a 29er FS with seat dropper, tool kit, pump, spare tube (even though it's tubeless), and...a bell. I carry in my pockets my phone, camera and a tripod. How much extra does that bell weigh?

    If you believe a bell is one more thing to break, how would you break it? You seem to be suggesting that you spend a lot of time under rather than on the bike. Mine seem to last forever.

    Funny, in the '80s when I rode in REAL "bear country," Canada's Northwest Territories, hundreds of miles from a telephone or a paved road, it was before I had a bell on the bike, so I had to whistle all dang day. I'll take the bell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    The trails I ride are two direction, and I never see anyone on it with earbuds. What would you do on a two-direction trail?

    No way I wouldn't be dinging my bell on blind turns. Is your "minimalist" bike a SS with no front brake? I ride a 29er FS with seat dropper, tool kit, pump, spare tube (even though it's tubeless), and...a bell. I carry in my pockets my phone, camera and a tripod. How much extra does that bell weigh?

    If you believe a bell is one more thing to break, how would you break it? You seem to be suggesting that you spend a lot of time under rather than on the bike. Mine seem to last forever.

    Funny, in the '80s when I rode in REAL "bear country," Canada's Northwest Territories, hundreds of miles from a telephone or a paved road, it was before I had a bell on the bike, so I had to whistle all dang day. I'll take the bell.
    I think you may be misinterpreting what I'm saying but no one cares so I won't make a long post. I guess my point is you will not see or hear me dinging a bell whether I'm busting down Whistler or riding on a fire trail. I'm not a dinger. Now if I ever had a problem not being a dinger or if having one was a state law guess I would try it (minimalist - don't have it if I don't need it. Has nothing to do with weight or whatever else you are implying).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironsinker View Post
    No bell for me. I mostly ride on 1 direction bike trails. Even so, I doubt anyone will hear you while they are running with their IPODS blasting in their ears...
    Runners (aka joggers) are a different breed altogether. They're athletically moving, so regardless of earbuds on, I don't worry about startling them as I ride by. They should be able to control themselves from peeing in their pants OR hear my *DING* warning. Not much else I can do if they're tuned out.

    The other special category is horse riders. I don't touch my bell around them. I slow to a crawl and talk to the riders on horseback. This is the best way to NOT spook the horses. This is also from experience.

    So the bell is mostly for all others human walkers (hikers, dog walkers, bird watchers, kids, etc.) that you have to alert from a distance. And other bikers coming the other way on a blind corner. It's up to them to recognize the meaning of *DING*. Some may not recognize, but that's not your fault as a biker with a bell. It's only a courtesy on your part.

    Currently, I don't know of any laws REQUIRING a bell.

    But just one collision or close call will change your mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    I tried riding with a bell for a season. Didn't really work. Most of that is my fault as I always forgot I had it and I would just resort to calling out ahead as I rode up on other trail users. The few times I did use it, they either wouldn't hear it until I was right up on them or they would just look around confused, wondering where the sound came from. It tended to scare horses and hikers around blind corners would just have kept on walking towards me because they didn't understand what the sound meant. If I was riding in the city or on a m.u.p. then I could see where it would be useful. I finally just took it off. I'd rather talk to people.
    Post of the thread, bells are a stone age way of getting attention, they have no tone like the human voice, i suppose they are ok if you want to drive around like Mary Poppins, but there will never be one going on my bike regardless if some law maker tells me i need one or night, i dont like em, they irritate me, but i suppose thety are good for little kids on their first bikes..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat Again??? View Post
    "on your left" and similar shout results in people moving (oftentimes JUMPING) to the left about 1/3 of the time.
    Quite probably more than 1/3.
    I have a bell on my "bike path bike" - and frequently use it when approaching people who clearly don't know I'm there. If there are children or dogs involved, I use the bell more often than with adults who are looking purposeful.

    I don't use a bell on trails. I don't tell people to move over either. I'm not in a rush on trails, so I have time for "Hi, I'd like to pass when there's a good spot for it".

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    Re: Do you have a bell on your bike?

    A bell for every bike in the house :thumbup:

    Trail bike or commuter, they all benefit from a little ring-a-ding

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    I have a bell on my motorcycle, it's tradition, it wards off the Gremlins. True story. Not a little handlebar bell though, a real bell that hangs from something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    Post of the thread, bells are a stone age way of getting attention, they have no tone like the human voice, i suppose they are ok if you want to drive around like Mary Poppins, but there will never be one going on my bike regardless if some law maker tells me i need one or night, i dont like em, they irritate me, but i suppose thety are good for little kids on their first bikes..
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    Some of you might of seen this allready:
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElwoodT View Post
    Some of you might of seen this allready:
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    Hilarious! Nice.

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    Don't have one. My daughter does. Too much extra weight.... Like the thirty pounds around my abdomen.

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    Got one on my multi-purpose trail bike. It's a safety issue and I'm glad to have it. Its unique sound cannot be mistaken for anything else and therefore is effective as a warning. I combine a ding with a "thanks" as passing, and get no harsh looks. Of course, my wife is with me, so her smile always makes my path smoother on the trail (and life, in general, for that matter).
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    Quote Originally Posted by solidass View Post
    But for argument sake, how do you know they're doing it smugly? Maybe they're doing it gratefully and cooperatively.

    And why is it worse when they say nothing to you? Don't you know a *DING* is merely a universal signal to announce one's presence? Just like a car horn. Or a fog horn. Why do you need an oral conversation?

    So when you add it up, announcing your presence at every blind corner to alert someone who may *just happen* to be approaching on the blind side should be common sense and helpful not driving you crazy.
    Wow, I can't believe this thread has gone this far; I thought we were mostly joking. I really couldn't care less about bells and if people want to use them.

    But to the extent we are not joking about bells, I guess I would add that a bell doesn't absolve someone of the responsibility to ride under control - one cannot just hit the bell and plow through a blind corner, expecting anyone who might be in the way to have moved due to the bell. When it really comes down to it, common sense dictates that I would ride pretty much the same whether I rang a bell before a turn or not -- if I can't see down the trail, I slow down enough so I can stop or move out of the way if there is a need to. I don't over ride my line of sight, and I don't "expect" that someone on the trail has removed themselves from my path.

    Which is why I don't use one -- I don't really see the need. The instant I see someone else on the trail, I'm on the brakes hard, slow to a walking pace (if not stop), and talk to them as I pass, letting them know where I'm going (right, left, stopping, whatever), that I hope they're having a good time, and thanking them, to the extent they have gotten out of my way and not required me to stop. Again, many years of this practice, never a single issue on the trail.

    But of course, I don't ride super crowded California trails, and the foliage here in Utah isn't usually thick enough that I can't see around a corner or where I'm going. And I do probably 1/2 my riding on downhill only, or at least downhill preferred trails, partly because they're really fun, and partly because I don't have to worry about someone coming up the trail at me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tystevens View Post
    Wow, I can't believe this thread has gone this far...
    Indeed, this is a very interesting topic. Not only does it reveal where people ride (sparse or populated), but also shows how people ride and what attitude they hold even what attitude they expect others to hold.

    Perhaps not too off topic, but one thing I notice in society's neurotically twisted dysfunction is the overcompensation of misplaced, misinterpreted and irrelevant annoyances, maybe from childhood. Such would be something like constant car honking.

    Imagine if we all abided by the purported "common courtesy" of yielding to all others first upon any hazard or haphazard, and ended up removing all automobile noise making devices such as horns. So instead of tapping on the horn to alert a backing vehicle that you're passing behind, you just stop and wait.

    Quite a utopic Pollyanna!

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    Quote Originally Posted by solidass View Post
    Perhaps not too off topic, but one thing I notice in society's neurotically twisted dysfunction is the overcompensation of misplaced, misinterpreted and irrelevant annoyances, maybe from childhood. Such would be something like constant car honking.
    so you're one of those constant honkers too. I love having a pleasant meal outside a city cafe listening to you guys honk. Makes it so much more enjoyable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solidass View Post
    Indeed, this is a very interesting topic. Not only does it reveal where people ride (sparse or populated), but also shows how people ride and what attitude they hold even what attitude they expect others to hold.

    Perhaps not too off topic, but one thing I notice in society's neurotically twisted dysfunction is the overcompensation of misplaced, misinterpreted and irrelevant annoyances, maybe from childhood. Such would be something like constant car honking.

    Imagine if we all abided by the purported "common courtesy" of yielding to all others first upon any hazard or haphazard, and ended up removing all automobile noise making devices such as horns. So instead of tapping on the horn to alert a backing vehicle that you're passing behind, you just stop and wait.

    Quite a utopic Pollyanna!

    Ringing a bell doesn't mean that you have the attitude that you want other users to get out of your way. Ringing the bell just gives other users a heads up that you are behind them, or that someone is around a blind turn. Gives them plenty if warning rather than just riding up behind them in ninja mode and scaring the crap out of them.

    I have been thanked by more non-cyclist users that I have the bear bell on my bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElDuderino2412 View Post
    so you're one of those constant honkers too. I love having a pleasant meal outside a city cafe listening to you guys honk. Makes it so much more enjoyable.
    Errr... No. You misread. But you can fear whatever you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikej View Post
    Ringing a bell doesn't mean that you have the attitude that you want other users to get out of your way. Ringing the bell just gives other users a heads up that you are behind them, or that someone is around a blind turn. Gives them plenty if warning rather than just riding up behind them in ninja mode and scaring the crap out of them.

    I have been thanked by more non-cyclist users that I have the bear bell on my bike.
    Indeed. That's precisely the point.

    And it's either the non-cyclist thanking me or I'm the one thanking them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by solidass View Post
    Errr... No. You misread. But you can fear whatever you like.
    Sorry.....but that's what i inferred from your last post

    BTW i don't suffer from phonophobia as you implied.

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    I think Mtnbikej has the right idea.

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    Suitable end to this thread?

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    Does a bell helmet count ?

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    Rei bear bell is perfect for tight singletrack.

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