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    Quote Originally Posted by singletrackmack View Post
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    However, I still contend that the sport of mountain biking changed with the introduction of suspension.
    Hmmm, as someone who saw, used and abused all the various technologies thru the years that off road cycling developed, yes, I agree any new tech changes the sport, but the rider stays the same. I embraced most all of useful technology because it allowed me personally to reach places that may have been more difficult otherwise. BUT, emphasis on the BIG BUT!!! One thing is very different in this: the sport of CYCLING is different to the sport of MOTOR CYCLING, which is essentially what e-biking is, no matter how much lipstick you smear all over it. I have little doubt that I would enjoy riding one myself, as I do all 2 wheelers, but I would not want to take one out on singletrack trails I use on my MTB. Comparing the advent of suspension to the coming of e-bikes is a non-argument.
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    "But by the time 1994 rolled around, suspension forks were beginning to appear"
    That part of the article is wrong, you started seeing suspension forks in the late eighties, by 1991, pretty much everyone was running a suspension fork. It was around 1994 when rear suspension was starting to come into play, although there were some early designs dating back to the early eighties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff View Post
    "But by the time 1994 rolled around, suspension forks were beginning to appear"
    That part of the article is wrong, you started seeing suspension forks in the late eighties, by 1991, pretty much everyone was running a suspension fork. It was around 1994 when rear suspension was starting to come into play, although there were some early designs dating back to the early eighties.
    Suspension forks were still a very rare sight back in 1991 and almost no one was running one. They were pretty much an aftermarket add on in 1991. I got my first MTB in 1991, a Trek, and that year Trek only offered one bike model that came with a sus fork and that was their very top of the line model. I don’t think suspension correct frames was even a thing until about the mid 90’ and by then, front forks were a more common sight. http://www.retrobike.co.uk/gallery2/...0treksmall.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by singletrackmack View Post
    Suspension forks were still a very rare sight back in 1991 and almost no one was running one. They were pretty much an aftermarket add on in 1991.
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    I started mountain biking in 83, worked in shops since around 1985 and heard all forms of bike gossip daily. The suspension deal has nothing in common with the electric bike controversy.
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    I'm not really sure there is a "mountain bike culture" for most of us. It's not like surfing.

    I don't use mountain bike slang, dress a certain way, base my life on a recreational activity, or stand out in any way as different from non-mountain bikers.

    For the author of that article to lament trail crowding as he is on his way to crowd the trails seems hypocritical and self-serving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailuropoda View Post
    I'm not really sure there is a "mountain bike culture" for most of us. It's not like surfing.

    I don't use mountain bike slang, dress a certain way, base my life on a recreational activity, or stand out in any way as different from non-mountain bikers...
    Couldn’t disagree more. I guess it depends how into it you are. And perhaps where you live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Couldn’t disagree more. I guess it depends how into it you are. And perhaps where you live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    But why would you care about how hard (or not) some total stranger is working?

    The whole 'fitness police' angle is really weird to me.
    I guess because it's not really biking, but it's being presented as such. Biking is done under one's own power. That's why many of us are not fans of e-bikes.
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    "Get off my lawn" sums up that article really well. The author needs to pull the stick out of his @ss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    I started mountain biking in 83, worked in shops since around 1985 and heard all forms of bike gossip daily. The suspension deal has nothing in common with the electric bike controversy.
    I know when I ride, I do all of the work regardless of it being on my gravel bike or FS bike. The e-biker does not do all of the work. I agree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crankout View Post
    I guess because it's not really biking
    That's exactly why you shouldn't give a damn (even moreso than it's none of anyone's damn business how much or little exercise someone else feels like getting at any given time). It's not even the same sport, so why care?

    And even if it was, do you also find yourself getting upset if you see mountain bikers just cruising around rather than trying to win some imaginary 'best exerciser' trophy? How about people just out for a casual walk? Does it bother you that they aren't doing intervals instead?

    Again, who give a damn how hard someone else exercises?
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    Doesn't actually get added to your reputatiion Slaphead but, it is there in spirit. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by rynomx785 View Post
    Doesn't actually get added to your reputatiion Slaphead but, it is there in spirit. LOL

    "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to slapheadmofo again."
    Thanks man.

    It's my contribution to trying to get MTB culture back on track.

    Next up, a rant about how many people seem to confuse shopping with mountain biking these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    ...Next up, a rant about how many people seem to confuse shopping with mountain biking these days.
    Guilty as charged. I am currently on a mad spending spree...

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post

    It's my contribution to trying to get MTB culture back on track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOJO K View Post
    Leadership!!! Slapheadmofo is like the Braveheart of mountain biking!
    That sounds aggressive. He better not be skidding! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by rynomx785 View Post
    That sounds aggressive. He better not be skidding! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    That's exactly why you shouldn't give a damn (even moreso than it's none of anyone's damn business how much or little exercise someone else feels like getting at any given time). It's not even the same sport, so why care?
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    Quote Originally Posted by og-mtb View Post
    Trail access.
    I keep hearing people talking about how E-bikes are going to hurt trail access but I have yet to hear of someone on an E-bike getting caught where they weren't supposed to be and a governing body proposing to close trails to bikes because of it. Has this actually happened?

    Currently, I don't know of any local MTB trails in my area that are E-bike legal so E-bikes are clearly classified differently for trail use so they aren't hurting future trails being opened to bicycles .

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    That's exactly why you shouldn't give a damn (even moreso than it's none of anyone's damn business how much or little exercise someone else feels like getting at any given time). It's not even the same sport, so why care?

    And even if it was, do you also find yourself getting upset if you see mountain bikers just cruising around rather than trying to win some imaginary 'best exerciser' trophy? How about people just out for a casual walk? Does it bother you that they aren't doing intervals instead?

    Again, who give a damn how hard someone else exercises?
    Worry about your own self.
    If I spent my time worrying about what anyone is doing with their time, I would not be able to do anything myself! The issue here is not about what people choose to do or how, but rather where. If the advent of e-biking gets more people out on the trails with unhindered access, then we need more trails. preferably more trails specifically for e-bikers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by og-mtb View Post
    Trail access.
    I like a good non-sequitur as much as the next guy, but you know that has exactly nothing to do with caring about how hard someone is exercising (or not) right?

    Might need to go back and follow the conversation from the beginning...

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    I really try to remain open minded about e-bike trails users (where allowed) but can't get over the 'easy way out' vibe to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    I like a good non-sequitur as much as the next guy, but you know that has exactly nothing to do with caring about how hard someone is exercising (or not) right?

    Might need to go back and follow the conversation from the beginning...
    Right after you go back and read the quote that you replied to.

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    I guess because it's not really biking

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    Quote Originally Posted by og-mtb View Post
    Right after you go back and read the quote that you replied to.
    Which still had nothing to do with trail access.

    Context is a thing.
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    Just adding another useless (amusing) vid to another useless thread

    Really enjoying the devolving conversation that's turning into yet another E-bike argument

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlx john View Post
    Just adding another useless (amusing) vid to another useless thread

    Really enjoying the devolving conversation that's turning into yet another E-bike argument
    That's the funny thing; I'm not arguing for or against e-bikes in any way.

    More saying I find it weird that in mountain bike culture these days, there are people who look down on people that aren't all about being some sort of fitness purist. 25-30 years ago, it was a lot more about fun and exploration and even socialization. Then at some point mofos started buying HRMs left and right...all downhill from there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crankout View Post
    I know when I ride, I do all of the work regardless of it being on my gravel bike or FS bike.
    I recall my first ride on a FS bike like it was yesterday.

    I remember feeling a bit more weight but at the end of a ride (northeast root and rock strewn trails) I was noticeably less fatigued and with none of the usual back pain I experienced on my rigid bike. It took less focus to get up technical climbs since I didn't need to steer/balance the bike so precisely in order to maintain traction or avoid get stopped by a bad line choice.

    I would argue that, at least on rough trails, FS takes a lot of "work" away from the rider. In that regard, E-bikes are similar.

    I also recall an quote from some industry guy (Keith Bontrager, IIRC) that FS was the worst thing to happen for MTB access up to that time due to the increased level of control - hence speed - it allowed. So, there's that similarity.

    As for the e-bike thing overall, I agree with the poster who questioned the need for "fitness police" and pointed out that other people's mode of transport doesn't detract one iota from me enjoying mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rynomx785 View Post
    That sounds aggressive. He better not be skidding! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailuropoda View Post
    I'm not really sure there is a "mountain bike culture" for most of us. It's not like surfing.

    I don't use mountain bike slang, dress a certain way, base my life on a recreational activity, or stand out in any way as different from non-mountain bikers.

    For the author of that article to lament trail crowding as he is on his way to crowd the trails seems hypocritical and self-serving.
    Dude, guess you don't shred the gnar. I live and breathe it. 9 bikes. I hide my bike socks under my dress pants. All my t shirts are mt bike related. Riding is my sport, my hobby , my workout and my past time. That and trail work. Dresser has 5 drawers, socks, underwear, bottom 3 are bike stuff. The other dresser is all bike stuff. The entire garage is full of bikes, parts, tires, tools and some lawn stuff. So much better than surfing. No sharks. Are you a roadie?

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    There is too a mountain biking culture. Here's the manual in video form:


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    if anyone is interested, I have some old copies of Dirt Rag going back to issue #2. I can find the first mention of "suspension forks" for ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailuropoda View Post
    I'm not really sure there is a "mountain bike culture" for most of us. It's not like surfing.
    Depends on how much your into it, but there is a very big mtb culture out there. I know surfing is popular for some, but I don’t see a huge culture for surfing either, maybe the die hards who only surfand nothing else? For example, my brother inlaw and whole family live on the Hollister Ranch and surf pretty much every single day in the morning before going to work.Other than a surf board and a few pics of him and his wife, or sister or brother surfing in his office, that is all that indicates he is interested in surfing. That’s is about pretty much the same you would see for someone who is into mtb.

    But as for mtb culture, there is a shit ton if you want....

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    That's exactly why you shouldn't give a damn (even moreso than it's none of anyone's damn business how much or little exercise someone else feels like getting at any given time). It's not even the same sport, so why care?

    And even if it was, do you also find yourself getting upset if you see mountain bikers just cruising around rather than trying to win some imaginary 'best exerciser' trophy? How about people just out for a casual walk? Does it bother you that they aren't doing intervals instead?

    Again, who give a damn how hard someone else exercises?
    Worry about your own self.
    Thanks for agreeing that it's not the same sport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dir-T View Post
    I recall my first ride on a FS bike like it was yesterday.

    I remember feeling a bit more weight but at the end of a ride (northeast root and rock strewn trails) I was noticeably less fatigued and with none of the usual back pain I experienced on my rigid bike. It took less focus to get up technical climbs since I didn't need to steer/balance the bike so precisely in order to maintain traction or avoid get stopped by a bad line choice.

    I would argue that, at least on rough trails, FS takes a lot of "work" away from the rider. In that regard, E-bikes are similar.

    I also recall an quote from some industry guy (Keith Bontrager, IIRC) that FS was the worst thing to happen for MTB access up to that time due to the increased level of control - hence speed - it allowed. So, there's that similarity.

    As for the e-bike thing overall, I agree with the poster who questioned the need for "fitness police" and pointed out that other people's mode of transport doesn't detract one iota from me enjoying mine.
    I don't know one can consider themselves a cyclist and ride one. But that's just me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crankout View Post
    I don't know one can consider themselves a cyclist and ride one. But that's just me...
    e-biker...
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    Quote Originally Posted by leeboh View Post
    Dude, guess you don't shred the gnar. I live and breathe it. 9 bikes. I hide my bike socks under my dress pants. All my t shirts are mt bike related. Riding is my sport, my hobby , my workout and my past time. That and trail work. Dresser has 5 drawers, socks, underwear, bottom 3 are bike stuff. The other dresser is all bike stuff. The entire garage is full of bikes, parts, tires, tools and some lawn stuff. So much better than surfing. No sharks. Are you a roadie?
    I try my very best to never ride bikes on blacktop unless there's a motor between my legs so I can get out of trouble if necessary. I've been riding bicycles off road for over half a century and have been riding mountain bikes since they became a thing. I did own a MTB related shirt a couple of times in my life, I quite often 'shred the gnar', and I do enjoy a distinct lack of sharks on the trails around here... but to wear MTB sock under dress pants?!? My friend, sartorially speaking, you are doomed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crankout View Post
    I don't know one can consider themselves a cyclist and ride one. But that's just me...
    One probably doesn't care if they present themself as "a cyclist" or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat View Post
    One probably doesn't care if they present themself as "a cyclist" or not.
    Nor do I, for that matter.
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    "Hi. I'm a mountain biker."

    "Well, aren't you special."

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Nor do I, for that matter.
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    the 29er killed mountain biking culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by langster831 View Post
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    Ah! Yes! Exactement! Nail #1...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    Ah! Yes! Exactement! Nail #1...
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    Quote Originally Posted by langster831 View Post
    the 29er killed mountain biking culture.
    Video Killed The Radio Star

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    Brew pubs killed mountain biking culture. Before bland food and beer that you eat with a spoon everyone ate Mexican food after biking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat View Post
    Brew pubs killed mountain biking culture. Before bland food and beer that you eat with a spoon everyone ate Mexican food after biking.
    You must be in the southwest somewhere...try finding a good burrito in Massachusetts

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    Quote Originally Posted by langster831 View Post
    You must be in the southwest somewhere...try finding a good burrito in Massachusetts
    Ha! You don't have Mexicans in MA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat View Post
    Ha! You don't have Mexicans in MA?
    Not the burrito rolling kind, that's a tex-mex thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by langster831 View Post
    Not the burrito rolling kind, that's a tex-mex thing
    Hmmmmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by langster831 View Post
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    Mais oui!
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    Quote Originally Posted by langster831 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by langster831 View Post
    You must be in the southwest somewhere...try finding a good burrito in Massachusetts
    Not MA, but really close, try Los Olas in Hampton or Exeter (after riding Ft Rock or Rye Airfield of course).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crankout View Post
    I don't know one can consider themselves a cyclist and ride one. But that's just me...
    I definitely do NOT want to be called a cyclist. (I don't ride e-bikes though.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDwayyo View Post
    I definitely do NOT want to be called a cyclist. (I don't ride e-bikes though.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by langster831 View Post
    make up your mind, you're in or you're out!
    I'd love to say I'm an outdoorsman, but apparently since I rarely (and never intentionally) kill things while in the outdoors that doesn't apply...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDwayyo View Post
    I'd love to say I'm an outdoorsman, but apparently since I rarely (and never intentionally) kill things while in the outdoors that doesn't apply...
    Could you feed yourself if you were forced to live in the woods for a month? Killing and hunting are different things.

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    I didn't see anything specific about e-bikes in the linked site.

    Every culture changes sooner or later, radio was evil to those who played live instruments, tv was evil to those who listened to radio shows, the internet was evil tot hose who grew up on tv, etc. The Roman empire isn't still around, their culture grew, changed and died. happens often in history.

    We also face increasing population over and increasing population density around cities and suburbs as people move from rural to those cities. So you have more people overall leaving work at 5:00 to hit the trails.

    Also I think we have more people able to have more than one hobby. I'd bet in the 90's if you were a mtb'er then that was your main or only hobby but now a days we might have half a dozen hobbies so that means more people are into each hobby and therefore more people crowding the trails.

    Then the general overall issue of people just being more rude and careless than ever and tossing their trash (red bull can) anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rynomx785 View Post
    Could you feed yourself if you were forced to live in the woods for a month? Killing and hunting are different things.
    I get that. In no way did I mean killing animals is always wrong, I just often run into the mindset that mountain biking is not a hobby a true outdoorsman should enjoy... Then when I ask what is the examples that follow tend to all involve killing something.

    Not really meant to be argumentative, just a fact; I don't consider myself an outdoorsman because the vast majority who do do not enjoy the outdoors in the same way that I do.

    I'm not a cyclist because if I couldn't ride in the woods I wouldn't ride at all. Cycling is not my passion, being outdoors is... Cycling (specifically mountain biking) just provides me with my favorite way to see and interact with the outdoors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOJO K View Post
    The first run of the RockShox RS-1 was in the second half of 1990....they produced 100 units.
    Yep. And I'd bet that mine was one of those 100. I put it on my 1990 stumpjumper. Probably didn't start running it til early spring of 1991. I recall the big debate back then being about loss of climbing efficiency while standing. Not an unfair criticism considering the lack of damping on that fork.

    It was quite the conversation piece at the local trail heads since nobody had ever seen one before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by langster831 View Post
    the 29er killed mountain biking culture.
    No no; 27.5" PLUS killed it.

    It is THE wheel size especially for e-bikes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDwayyo View Post
    I get that. In no way did I mean killing animals is always wrong, I just often run into the mindset that mountain biking is not a hobby a true outdoorsman should enjoy... Then when I ask what is the examples that follow tend to all involve killing something.

    Not really meant to be argumentative, just a fact; I don't consider myself an outdoorsman because the vast majority who do do not enjoy the outdoors in the same way that I do.

    I'm not a cyclist because if I couldn't ride in the woods I wouldn't ride at all. Cycling is not my passion, being outdoors is... Cycling (specifically mountain biking) just provides me with my favorite way to see and interact with the outdoors.
    Gotcha. All my archery hunting buddies give me a hard time because I have been spending all my free time riding a bicycle lately. I enjoy both hobbies but hunting requires a lot of time and dedication (to be successful) that I just don't have anymore since I had kids. Much easier to get away on the bike for a couple hours.

    I agree completely though, riding off-road is the only way to go. I have 0 interest in road cycling. I am somewhat of an adrenaline junky. Although, almost getting hit by a car would get surely get my adrenaline going. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDwayyo View Post
    I get that. In no way did I mean killing animals is always wrong, I just often run into the mindset that mountain biking is not a hobby a true outdoorsman should enjoy... Then when I ask what is the examples that follow tend to all involve killing something.

    Not really meant to be argumentative, just a fact; I don't consider myself an outdoorsman because the vast majority who do do not enjoy the outdoors in the same way that I do.

    I'm not a cyclist because if I couldn't ride in the woods I wouldn't ride at all. Cycling is not my passion, being outdoors is... Cycling (specifically mountain biking) just provides me with my favorite way to see and interact with the outdoors.
    I guess you could be called a naturalist.

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    I generally carry a couple of cans of culture in my pack.

    One for me at the top of the climb and another in case I run into someone doing trailwork or random maintenance. Good work should always be rewarded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    I generally carry a couple of cans of culture in my pack.

    One for me at the top of the climb and another in case I run into someone doing trailwork or random maintenance. Good work should always be rewarded.
    Just waiting for the "you are putting everyone else on the trail at risk" comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rynomx785 View Post
    Just waiting for the "you are putting everyone else on the trail at risk" comment.
    At risk of not having enough beer to go around!
    Should carry at least a 6 pack at all times. Just in case!



    I wish Curveball rode around here. I hate running out of beer when I'm doing trailwork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rynomx785 View Post
    Just waiting for the "you are putting everyone else on the trail at risk" comment.
    Before anyone posits such a thing, they should probably realize that I put everyone else on the trail at risk without beer too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    At risk of not having enough beer to go around!
    Should carry at least a 6 pack at all times. Just in case!



    I wish Curveball rode around here. I hate running out of beer when I'm doing trailwork.
    While I'm generally not fond of the idea of e-bikes, it might be nice to have one to drag a keg in a Bob trailer around the woods.

    I'm all for providing trailbuilders with whatever beverage that they desire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    While I'm generally not fond of the idea of e-bikes, it might be nice to have one to drag a keg in a Bob trailer around the woods.

    I'm all for providing trailbuilders with whatever beverage that they desire.
    The correct use of e-bikes is for cargo duty, hauling kegs of beer and whatnot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    Before anyone posits such a thing, they should probably realize that I put everyone else on the trail at risk without beer too.
    LOL

    I prefer to say: "I am showing everyone what NOT to do on the trail..." like a rolling real time clinic/Youtube vid
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    The Culture of Mountain Biking has Gone Astray-djc26g-609b9769-3889-4d98-85da-6978d2494b41.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOJO K View Post
    Brett Tippie, Richie Schley, and Wade Simmons. I think they were the first mountain biking "stars" who made money by having fun on the bike instead of racing the bike.
    They were not bros, but they were the Proto-Bros that led to the problem mountain bikers we have today. Not intentionally, but they were what every Bro afterwards modeled themselves on.

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    such awesome!!! I forgot about those guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by richde View Post
    They were not bros, but they were the Proto-Bros that led to the problem mountain bikers we have today. Not intentionally, but they were what every Bro afterwards modeled themselves on.
    Hmmm... Those guys seem like they’d be fun to hang out with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat View Post
    Hmmm... Those guys seem like they’d be fun to hang out with.
    Some people think there should only be one way to have fun mountain biking...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 93EXCivic View Post
    Some people think there should only be one way to have fun mountain biking...
    The Dirt Roadie faction is still with us.
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    Kudos for this exchange boys:

    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    I generally carry a couple of cans of culture in my pack.

    One for me at the top of the climb and another in case I run into someone doing trailwork or random maintenance. Good work should always be rewarded.
    Good plan!

    Quote Originally Posted by rynomx785 View Post
    Just waiting for the "you are putting everyone else on the trail at risk" comment.
    People say that about a beer on a ride? Sheesh.

    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    At risk of not having enough beer to go around!
    Should carry at least a 6 pack at all times. Just in case!
    Correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    Before anyone posits such a thing, they should probably realize that I put everyone else on the trail at risk without beer too.
    Also correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDwayyo View Post
    People say that about a beer on a ride? Sheesh.
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    Prime example of culture gone astray right there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Prime example of culture gone astray right there!
    Right? If having a beer before a descent makes people uncomfortable, I don't want to know what they'd think about my snowboarding days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDwayyo View Post
    Right? If having a beer before a descent makes people uncomfortable, I don't want to know what they'd think about my snowboarding days.
    Seriously. Back when I used ride DH regularly, we'd leave a loaded cooler right at loading platform so we could easily replenish for the ride up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat View Post
    Hmmm... Those guys seem like they’d be fun to hang out with.
    Right, they weren't bad, but people took a superficial look at them and said "I want to do that."

    So we get bad illegal trail building, an attitude that encourages "I should be able to do this without working on it (fitness OR skill) and everything that goes with it...dumbing down obstacles, shortcuts, general buffoonery like running down uphill riders, etc.

    They were athletes, and professionals, the Bros want the appearances, but don't want to do the work or understand that what we saw in New World Disorder isn't what you do on public trails.


    Quote Originally Posted by 93EXCivic View Post
    Some people think there should only be one way to have fun mountain biking...
    Some people understand there's a right way and a wrong way to have fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    At risk of not having enough beer to go around!
    Should carry at least a 6 pack at all times. Just in case!



    I wish Curveball rode around here. I hate running out of beer when I'm doing trailwork.
    I still can't add to your reputation. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDwayyo View Post
    People say that about a beer on a ride? Sheesh.
    If you watch Tommy Huynh's YouTube channel ever, he get's hammered in the comments every time he mentions his "go juice".

    This went better than I anticipated here. I could ride with you guys. LOL

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