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    I bought my current full suspension bike when it was a year old from a guy who was selling it to buy an engagement ring. I almost told him he was making the biggest mistake in his life but I didn't.
    Did it slip out after the purchase?
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    Quote Originally Posted by natejc View Post
    She is extremely significant! It's more so about adjusting my own priorities and expectation/skill level realization with respect to MTB.

    I was wondering if anyone really had any good advice and lot of people have responded pretty positively.
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    These spouse approval threads always garner hundreds of responses!

    She may be on some female-oriented forum drumming up a similar amount of replies in her favor.
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    You: Honey, I am thinking about buying a new bike ext year. The one I want runs about $5200

    Her: ARE YOU ****ING CRAZY?

    You: I really would like a new bike

    Her: $5200?

    You: Since I love you so much and really value your input on all our decisions, I could probably find something for more like $3500

    Her: Awww, you'd do that for me?

    You: Of course dear, you mean the world to me

    Her: $3500 doesn't sound too bad

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    OK here's what you do. Sit your wife down and have a discussion about healthy living following your passions and purchasing equipment for your passions. You want to be a fitr healthy person who enjoys life. To do that on occassion you will need to buy gear or want to go on holidays to feed your lifes enjoyemnt. That costs money.

    Negotiate a fair and reasonable amount of money to spend week/year or what ever it is. She should have the same amount of cash to burn on what ever she enjoys.

    Then once negotiated you can go about spending money on bikes or whater you want with in that guide line.

    Negotiate it once for the rest of your life. Then you don't have to negotiate a new bike purchase each time. Its simply and informing process after that.

    You may need to change the negotiated figure as lifes circumstances change. But the overall premise remains. You will spend a fair and reasonable amount of money on your passions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BurkC View Post
    You: Honey, I am thinking about buying a new bike ext year. The one I want runs about $7200

    Her: ARE YOU ****ING CRAZY?

    You: I really would like a new bike

    Her: $7200?

    You: Since I love you so much and really value your input on all our decisions, I could probably find something for more like $5200

    Her: Awww, you'd do that for me?

    You: Of course dear, you mean the world to me

    Her: $5200 doesn't sound too bad

    You: Happy dance
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    I know, tell her Viagra is fn expensive!
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    I've been working on my wife the past month or so about getting a smart trainer. Been trying to sell it as something we both can use over the winter. I think I'm slowly winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twd953 View Post
    Your plan has just one tiny flaw. I fixed it for you above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Did it slip out after the purchase?
    No, I wanted the bike and I was afraid he'd come to his senses and follow me home. I may have muttered "sucker" under my breathe, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    No, I wanted the bike and I was afraid he'd come to his senses and follow me home. I may have muttered "sucker" under my breathe, though.
    Now you got me thinking, I can sell the ring in my night-stand for a steel HT. hmmmm!
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    Quote Originally Posted by frdfandc View Post
    I've been working on my wife the past month or so about getting a smart trainer. Been trying to sell it as something we both can use over the winter. I think I'm slowly winning.
    Iím always winning. No one to sell but myself

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    Just buy it and ask for forgiveness. When she puts you in the dog house, you got your dream bike to go ride and think about your mistake LOL. just kidding. Make wife happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    I bought my current full suspension bike when it was a year old from a guy who was selling it to buy an engagement ring. I almost told him he was making the biggest mistake in his life but I didn't.
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    Did it slip out after the purchase?
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    No, I wanted the bike and I was afraid he'd come to his senses and follow me home. I may have muttered "sucker" under my breathe, though.
    This is how I picture you on your drive home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    This is going to sound cold but at this point it would be smart to divorce her and find a better one. Once you buy a house together and have children there is no going back. You have to ask yourself, Do I want to live like this for the rest of my life?
    I read every post in this thread, and as I kept going, I just kept thinking this more and more and more. And that he should definitely never have kids with her. It isn't about the bike so much as the fact that he started this thread, seeking to have a serious discussion on how to convince his wife that something clearly important to him was worth budgeting for. He doesn't say what he makes or where he lives or if she works, but if he's thinking about buying a brand new carbon enduro bike, it must not be completely unaffordable, just a stretch.

    Also, I can't imagine buying a $5000+ bicycle if I didn't own a house already. I might complain about being broke, but I always have the equity in my house (where I live alone with my dog and I own the dirt under my feet!).

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    For those of you who propose lying to your spouses about the cost of bike gear, do you really think they are stupid enough to fall for that? Does anyone look at credit card and bank statements?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twodownzero View Post
    I read every post in this thread, and as I kept going, I just kept thinking this more and more and more. And that he should definitely never have kids with her. It isn't about the bike so much as the fact that he started this thread, seeking to have a serious discussion on how to convince his wife that something clearly important to him was worth budgeting for. He doesn't say what he makes or where he lives or if she works, but if he's thinking about buying a brand new carbon enduro bike, it must not be completely unaffordable, just a stretch.

    Also, I can't imagine buying a $5000+ bicycle if I didn't own a house already. I might complain about being broke, but I always have the equity in my house (where I live alone with my dog and I own the dirt under my feet!).
    As you indicated, you aren't married. I imagine a big part of it is that he just bought a new bike this year. And they are trying to save for a house. He didn't really indicate that she doesn't think that he should mountain bike, just that she thinks it is dangerous; my wife thinks the same thing. All couples that have kids are going to have disagreements that they have to work through. Actually, all couple regardless of if they have kids or not.

    My first reaction to the cost of her Crossfit was "wow, that's ridiculously expensive". But thinking about it, if it keeps her healthy and that is how she wants to go about it, it's worth the money; and I imagine she thinks the same thing about his biking. But bikes have a dimensioning return on the cost of investment after a certain price point. OP is fine with scaling back his dream bike to be something less expensive, such as the aluminum model. And it seems he has decided to just keep riding his current bike with some upgrades for now. House/kids; it's all about priorities; maybe he can work in a new bike in a couple of years, maybe he'll be too busy with kids. How many of us drive our dream cars? I still don't have a 427 Cobra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    For those of you who propose lying to your spouses about the cost of bike gear, do you really think they are stupid enough to fall for that? Does anyone look at credit card and bank statements?
    The trick is to buy so much other stuff that any bike purchases are camouflaged in the middle of the six page bank statement. Science!

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    Back in the 90s I was friends with a LBS owner. He had sold a bike to a local Ontario Provincial Police officer for $1500 and the guy asked for a 2nd receipt for $500. The owner didn't really know this guy and was hesitant until the man explained that the 2nd receipt was the one he leaves on the dresser for his wife to find. She would be a bit angry about $500, but not nearly as bad as $1500. He must have had a separate account or been skimming cash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Back in the 90s I was friends with a LBS owner. He had sold a bike to a local Ontario Provincial Police officer for $1500 and the guy asked for a 2nd receipt for $500. The owner didn't really know this guy and was hesitant until the man explained that the 2nd receipt was the one he leaves on the dresser for his wife to find. She would be a bit angry about $500, but not nearly as bad as $1500. He must have had a separate account or been skimming cash.
    Probably collecting "protection" money.
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    I'll offer this advice that I gave from a previous thread; go out and buy a $10,000 Yeti and if she doesn't leave you, then she's a keeper.

    And if she does leave you, at least you can go out and drown your sorrow on a very sweet bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcd46 View Post
    I know, tell her Viagra is fn expensive!
    Cialis is cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Picard View Post
    Cialis is cheaper.
    I'm confused, where do ED med's fit in with the MGTOW scene? Are they going their own way "together"?


    Wait...do I need to move this to the "Ask Picard" thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOJO K View Post
    I'm confused, where do ED med's fit in with the MGTOW scene? Are they going their own way "together"?


    Wait...do I need to move this to the "Ask Picard" thread?
    yes. you need to ask post thread in Ask Picard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    I'll offer this advice that I gave from a previous thread; go out and buy a $10,000 Yeti and if she doesn't leave you, then she's a keeper.

    And if she does leave you, at least you can go out and drown your sorrow on a very sweet bike.
    That's a win-win if I ever heard one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    It's just not a requirement to spend top dollar on the newest and shiniest of everything in order to get some exercise.
    Exercise is not the reason I bike.
    My motives and rewards from biking far exceed just getting exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSU Alum View Post
    Exercise is not the reason I bike.
    My motives and rewards from biking far exceed just getting exercise.
    No kidding, mine too.
    But again, that isn't the point that others brought up that I was disagreeing with. Take a look back at how the conversation originated. People were saying to justify spending $5k on a bike by saying it was needed to get fit. It's not. OP can easily get just as fit on the bike he has. That's my entire point. Nothing whatsoever to do with you or your motivations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    I'll offer this advice that I gave from a previous thread; go out and buy a $10,000 Yeti and if she doesn't leave you, then she's a keeper.

    And if she does leave you, at least you can go out and drown your sorrow on a very sweet bike.
    There is option 3 outcome in this example. She doesnt leave you and remains ****ed off for the next 35 years! And you pay and pay and pay and pay emotionally until your soul is sucked dry and dusty and all that is left is salt crystals.

    But you are happy because you have your dream bike!

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    or you can buy the missis and even more expensive bike... Thats what i did. The missis is outfruiting me with Chris king and Envies and Thomson Dropper.............

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    1. If you use it 2x3 week for 3-5 years worth it
    2. Full suspension sooo worth it.
    2. Your wife is right mtb is dangerous especially wen you are in the early stages of pushing your limits. I got old (44) and a few years ago decided my tech skills are what they are and main goal is to avoid injury, get out regularly, explore the world on a bike, ride till Iím 80. Unfortunately it takes a few falls and old age to get there. Enjoy the thrill of pushing past fear on new obsticles while your body is young and bounces - elbow knee guards apart if you are learning new skills/ pushing yourself.
    3. Bronson is your dream bike now. This will change as itís your first full suspension. Peoples riding goals / styles change. Especially at the beginning.You will want more/less suspension etc.
    4. How to hide cost. Hoard cash, anything you sell keep cash. Take out a little more each week for a few months. Then pay for bike partially in cash and partially in credit card. My shop says I am not the only one.
    5. I love how life advice threads go on for so long after op has left. So many idiots just have to let the world know their 2 cents.

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    Does #5 come with a mirror? ^^^
    oops I wasn't clipped in

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    Oh the irony!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim c View Post
    Does #5 come with a mirror? ^^^
    Of course! I guess irony and sarcasm donít come through on posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim c View Post
    does #5 come with a mirror? ^^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones2 View Post
    2. Your wife is right mtb is dangerous especially wen you are in the early stages of pushing your limits. I got old (44) and a few years ago decided my tech skills are what they are and main goal is to avoid injury, get out regularly, explore the world on a bike, ride till Iím 80. Unfortunately it takes a few falls and old age to get there. Enjoy the thrill of pushing past fear on new obsticles while your body is young and bounces - elbow knee guards apart if you are learning new skills/ pushing yourself.
    this is pretty much where I am at now too...no more need for proving anything to myself. I just want to get out and ride....and by doing that, things will get better anyways...it just won't be 30foot drops, but maybe more like 3 footers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones2 View Post
    Of course! I guess irony and sarcasm donít come through on posts.
    I'll fess up, I figured you were laughing as you typed #5. I had just read some of Picard's posts and had 'self-aware' on my mind so I couldn't resist.
    oops I wasn't clipped in

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    Quote Originally Posted by plummet View Post
    There is option 3 outcome in this example. She doesnt leave you and remains ****ed off for the next 35 years! And you pay and pay and pay and pay emotionally until your soul is sucked dry and dusty and all that is left is salt crystals.

    But you are happy because you have your dream bike!
    I guess fitting in with option 3 is the rolling pin to the head when she sees how much you spent.

    Nonetheless, my advice should always be trusted if you want to live a full and complete life. Always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones2 View Post
    Of course! I guess irony and sarcasm donít come through on posts.
    So was having two #2s also on purpose?

    I got your irony btw, but it took me a second.
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    Curious- how many of you pay off your credit card balance every month? Putting off paying student loans? Leasing a car? Massive mortgage or high rent?

    Maybe the reason I have not purchased my dream bike is that I have zero debt other than my house (about $200k, which we will have paid off on our modest income in 15 years instead of the typical 30) and a home-improvement loan we used to replace the crap windows on our house. Otherwise, we own two cars and pay off the cards every month. We'll retire early even though we are DINKs ("dual income, no kids", which makes a big difference for certain) who make OK money for where we live.

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    Hate to say it, but if she's super anti bike and won't let you spend your dough on the things you love (within reason) perhaps rethink the whole marriage thing. You're gonna be arguing about it your whole life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    Curious- how many of you pay off your credit card balance every month? Putting off paying student loans? Leasing a car? Massive mortgage or high rent?

    Maybe the reason I have not purchased my dream bike is that I have zero debt other than my house (about $200k, which we will have paid off on our modest income in 15 years instead of the typical 30) and a home-improvement loan we used to replace the crap windows on our house. Otherwise, we own two cars and pay off the cards every month. We'll retire early even though we are DINKs ("dual income, no kids", which makes a big difference for certain) who make OK money for where we live.
    I had never had a credit card till about 10 years ago...I always lived by the rule of: if i don't have the paper money, I can't own it. what forced me to get a card - which is actually a debit card, was buying a house, and having to set up an account where I do direct deposit at work. I had not done that either until then. My credit union would not let me do a mortgage without direct deposit/auto payment ability. Now all of my bills are "auto pay" out of the account, so technically, I live by the rule of if I don't have the money, I don't get to have it.

    I did open one card to use for when I reserve hotel rooms and things like that, but it only has a $1000 limit on it. It is my car emergency card mostly.

    My wife knew about my "weird", old school views on money when we were dating, so she knew what she was getting into. She has multiple credit cards and lives in that world. We both agreed to keep our personal money issues separate, but also have a joint account that the utilities come out of...the stuff we share.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    For those of you who propose lying to your spouses about the cost of bike gear, do you really think they are stupid enough to fall for that? Does anyone look at credit card and bank statements?
    My wife hasnt looked at a bank or cc statement in over 10 years.


    People can have separate accounts and joined too... i know lots. Also people generally have separate cc cards too.



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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    For those of you who propose lying to your spouses about the cost of bike gear, do you really think they are stupid enough to fall for that? Does anyone look at credit card and bank statements?
    Pretty sure most are being sarcastic about the lying part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe_510 View Post
    Hate to say it, but if she's super anti bike and won't let you spend your dough on the things you love (within reason) perhaps rethink the whole marriage thing. You're gonna be arguing about it your whole life.

    I totally agree with you! I guess spouses shouldn't be so stubborn or should just discuss their options before. Like I undertsand sometimes some interests are just stupid but then there should be line which shouuldn't be crossed

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    My wife manages the cc paying so she'll come to me with things circled and ask "what is this?" Maybe I should avoid places with "Bike" in the name. "Uh that charge from Chain Reaction? Umm, new chain for the chainsaw so I can cut those trees for you. Yeah, chains are expensive".

    We always 100% pay off our cards, only loan currently is our mortgage, though I'm about to buy a new car. I've always bought used and paid cash but my wife wants me to buy a new car. We bought her a new car a few years ago and paid it off early.
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    The only debt I donít pay off every month is my car loan. I do use credit cards because I get paid once a month so I put most things on them and then pay it off when I get paid. I also usually save $300 a month that I can use in large purchases and also have a emergency fund.

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    I feel for you. I really do. I've been married more than a decade to my wonderful wife who does not like to ride more than those same 3 miles on paved paths, as you put it, and who is also a penny-pincher. My only saving grace in this arena is that my wife once admitted that she'd probably not notice if I bought a new bike given how much shit is in our garage.

    That said, I'll echo what some others have said and say that after only one year on that bike, I'd spend at least another year riding it before making my "dream" purchase. That's big bucks and you've not been riding that long.

    And I would definitely NOT buy and ask for forgiveness. You're at the beginning of your marriage. Don't start off that way.

    Focus on that 2k she spends each year on Cross Fit.

    Good luck.

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    natejc, your Roscoe is QR141 so it will take a Chariot trailer hitch just fine, and since it has eyelets at the dropouts it's compatible with kid seats that install like racks too (I recommend Copilot brand). I know 'cause when I was shopping I tried it with an X-Caliber which is the same frame or nearly so. I ultimately bought a Timberjack which doesn't do so well with the rack, but the Roscoe was out of stock at the time. I sold my FS bike to buy it... FS bikes are great at going over bumps but other than that, they're just not that useful. Just enjoy your bike. Upgrade and customize it if you want to stay under the "new bike" radar. Start with contact points (tires, fork, grips, saddle, pedals). Try it single speed. Play with the colors. Get bikepacking bags, and try that. Lots of wheelsets can be adapted from Boost 148 to QR141 by changing the endcaps.


    Alllso it helps to beat the drum for a while in advance. I'm 41.5, I've told her I'm getting an offroad tandem for my 43rd birthday... since that's about when the youngest kid will be able to reach the pedals with crank shorteners

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    My wife and I made a deal - I bought a new fatbike in November and she's going with a friend to Ireland next fall for a few weeks... I win twice, but don't tell her!

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    Marital advice from an anonymous stranger on the internet:

    1. Don't take marital advice from anonymous strangers on the internet. Seek out people whose marriages you are envious of, and ask them for advice.

    2. Don't lie to your wife - her BS detector is better than yours. Don't try to manipulate your wife - she is better at that than you are. Just accept these as fact.

    3. Married math is different than regular math. A $5000 bike, once every 5 years is WAAAAYYYY more expensive than $300 worth of crap every month for 5 years. Don't argue this, just accept it.

    4. Any money your wife spends to make herself look better (even if only in her mind) does not count towards the $300 in #3. This includes money spent on shoes, clothes, makeup, etc. It also includes money spent on Crossfit. Don't argue this, just accept it.


    All that being said, if your financial ducks are all in a row, then just get the bike.
    It is better to regret something you have done, than to regret something you haven't done...

    Re-read point # 1.


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    Iíll give some marital advice and Iíve never been married.

    DONíT DO IT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by djlee View Post
    Riddle: Why is divorce so expensive?
    Because it's worth it. Badabum. (Henny)
    Use it, use it, use it while you still have it.

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    I think this fits here
    The Steel Fleet:


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    TBA - There is a hint in the Purchase thread

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    ^^ that's not how it works in my house.

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    Don't buy toys on credit. If you can't pay cash, you can't afford it.

    My wife is a sucker for a spreadsheet when it comes to my bike budget and expenditures. She doesn't ride, but she takes as many pottery classes as she wants.

    I currently have 2 decent mountain bikes, a cheap one and a nice one. We've got a 3.5 year old kid and I ride more frequently than before the kiddo was born, including a season pass at a downhill park.

    If it's important to you and you're not being irrational about it, it will be important to her too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALimon View Post
    Iím always winning. No one to sell but myself

    I won. She got it for me for Christmas. My sales pitch worked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frdfandc View Post
    I won. She got it for me for Christmas. My sales pitch worked.
    Well done!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by frdfandc View Post
    I won. She got it for me for Christmas. My sales pitch worked.
    Did you show her this thread?


    Congrats!
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    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Did you show her this thread?


    Congrats!
    Perhaps we should forward this thread to his lovely wife

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    I should be a marriage counselor because I'm full of brilliant advice.
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