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    Quote Originally Posted by richj8990 View Post
    I'd guess he's only about 25% faster than what I would be.
    At what? Making ridiculous claims on the internet?

    LOL!!! You have GOT to be kidding.
    Maybe if you were riding two completely different trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eb1888 View Post
    You got that right.
    Chris Akrigg with a Fox 36 on a hardtail.
    Damn. Is that guy running clips?
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    Pro Tip:

    Buying a Bronson isn't going to make you ride like Josh Bryceland.

    In all seriousness, I feel your pain. I have a son who is 11 and is as fixated on bikes as I am... so not only is he constantly wanting to upgrade, but he's also constantly telling me to upgrade and "building" dream bikes on various websites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hogfly View Post
    Pro Tip:

    Buying a Bronson isn't going to make you ride like Josh Bryceland.

    In all seriousness, I feel your pain. I have a son who is 11 and is as fixated on bikes as I am... so not only is he constantly wanting to upgrade, but he's also constantly telling me to upgrade and "building" dream bikes on various websites.
    Oh I know. I am probably going to stick with the roscoe 8 for a little while longer and possibly upgrade it a little.

    Still haven't even tried clips or anything like that. It would be great to experiment on a HT before I make the plunge into FS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Always remember: this month's $5200 bike is next months $3500 bike.

    MSRP is for suckas!
    I have been buying used for the past 25 years. The combined total MSRP of my 3 main bikes was well over $15k when they were new, but I have less than 10% of that invested in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richj8990 View Post
    LOL because the full-suspension guys covet that extra 2-3 mph downhill. If someone can go 3 mph downhill faster than they could on a hardtail, and they are looking to break some local trail record times, 3 mph is a huge difference. Otherwise, I agree, for normal riding without big jumps and other obstacles, there is no point in buying one.
    I was just joking with the OP but I prefer a FS bike now because I like the gnarlier terrain they let me ride. Those jumps and obstacles are kinda fun. I rarely if ever take note of my speed; I just prefer the experience of a long travel full suspension bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by borisotto View Post
    Slickrock should be fun on hardtail, something like Porcupine Rim is doable, but FS would really help.
    I've ridden Porcupine Rim multiple times on a hardtail and even on a 26" wheeled rigid bike, so it's definitely doable, but I had to go much slower and pick my lines more precisely lest I wreck or pinch flat. I recall getting my hands hammered pretty good on the rigid bike too. FS lets me get more sendy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natejc View Post
    And 5k is a lot to spend on a bike after only riding seriously for less than a year, regardless of your confidence or skill. .
    Same thing after riding seriously for 25+ years.
    5K is a lot of dough for a toy without a motor.
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    Hope you're not throwing away money by buying carbon fiber anything. If money is tight go aluminum. I bought the highest spec Fuel EX that came in an aluminum frame. Came out around $3k. I couldn't be more pleased. I ride it on gravel, trails, road, EVERYTHING. Even sold my gravel bike now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toadmeister View Post
    A lot of us married guys have been down this road one way or another.

    One solution that worked for me, I got my wife into biking . I see that didn't work great for you but you need to try again a little slower.

    When the problem is not a financial one, it's usually a control issue. They don't want to cut your leash to let you out for fun without them. Make sure you are addressing that.
    Half-facetiously, I took it one step further.

    I not only got my wife into biking, but I made sure she had a "entry-level" 26er with an 30mm stanchioned 80mm fork and cable BB5 brakes for the first few months.

    Then I had er demo a 27.5+ Ruze with a new Revelation fork and SLX brakes.
    She loved it so much I bought her one.

    I mean, I didn't want to drop a grand on a sport she might not enjoy, but I also wanted her to appreciate how good a nice RS fork is vs. a cheap Suntour coil.

    Now anytime I say "I was thinking about upgrading my <part>" as long as the money is there, she doesn't hassle me.

    Occasionally I buy her some new parts too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richj8990 View Post
    LOL because the full-suspension guys covet that extra 2-3 mph downhill. If someone can go 3 mph downhill faster than they could on a hardtail, and they are looking to break some local trail record times, 3 mph is a huge difference. Otherwise, I agree, for normal riding without big jumps and other obstacles, there is no point in buying one.
    Have you ever asked them if that's why they ride full suspension? You always throw the term "downhill" around as if it's the only thing that matters to all riders. Almost every post you make has some reference to going "downhill." If I had to guess, you bought that e-bike of yours so you can go faster than the full suspension guys "downhill" too.
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    Here's something that hasn't been brought up, cost per mile . Yes $5000 is a lot ,but if you figure 5000 miles ,that's only a dollar a mile . Much cheaper that most hobbies ,plus the bike still worth something. My Tallboy is down in the .50 cent a mile range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natejc View Post
    Hi Everyone,

    ...........
    Is anyone in a similar position as me? How did you convince your significant other to get your dream bike?
    A couple of random thoughts:

    There is always the used market. I picked up my current Remedy 9.8 29er for just under half of what it sold for, and the original tires weren't even showing any appreciable wear.

    There are plenty of passive ways to save money for a new ride. From adjusting habits (e.g. making your own coffee rather than going to Sarbucks) to using a single credit card for all expenses (credit card points are like free money, yay free money).

    You can improve the feel of your current ride. CushCore inserts will allow you to run much lower pressures, giving the bike a much more supple feel without the mush usually associated with lower pressures. Better brakes on the front. Different tires.

    Self improvement. From watching Skills videos to following faster riders, there are plenty of resources for improving rider skill available. Improved skills makes riding more rewarding.

    Kids are expensive and time consuming. That doesn't mean you stop riding altogether, but riding habits will change. It may be more worthwhile to have some sort of trainer set up at home to be able to maintain fitness in the face of reduced saddle time. Personally, I picked up a used commercial exercise bike from a local gym for about the same cost as a trainer.

    Last thought. I bought my previous bike about a year before I met my wife. By the time the bike was old enough that I felt it was ready to be replaced we were buying a house, getting married, having kids, etc. I ended up on that bike for 13yrs before replacing it. Just something to keep in mind if you're vacillating between buying and not buying.
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    My wife rides as much as I do. She even pushed me to go with carbon fiber rims when I was debating how much extra money to dump into the crash replacement when my Pivot broke outside of warranty.

    Then she went out and bought herself a brand new Juliana.

    Maybe I got played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rangeriderdave View Post
    Here's something that hasn't been brought up, cost per mile . Yes $5000 is a lot ,but if you figure 5000 miles ,that's only a dollar a mile . Much cheaper that most hobbies ,plus the bike still worth something. My Tallboy is down in the .50 cent a mile range.
    I have always wanted to track this, and also with time. I'm pretty sure that while I like new gadgets and a good bike my spend per mile and per hour is really reasonable.

    I think my BMC Four-stroke is somewhere around $.75 per mile including all maintenance... Worth it for two years of fun!

    OP, I do not recommend you get a 'dream bike' and blow your budget on it. It's unlikely that after a couple of years you won't want something new, then just for the sake of having something different.

    There's a ton of value in the used market for a $2-$2.5k bike, and you won't piss off the SO or blow your budget

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    Hey, I'm curious.. Did you actually demo the Bronson? I've heard plenty of newer riders tell of their 'dream bike' only to find out they never even rode it. I've demoed what I thought was my ideal bike, but went away a bit disappointed on more than 1 occasion. I'm sure the Bronson is good, but there are sooo many good choices out there now.. and plenty less than $5.2k, especially if you check pinkbike for used. Whenever you're ready to upgrade, make sure you ride a bunch of bikes first. Btw, I just bought my wife a Roscoe.. waiting til spring so we can ride. She's not into mtb ( I tried for 3 years before I came to my senses and realized she just wasn't very comfortable.. not her thing ) We'll ride together on some flat, hard packed dirt/gravel rail trails when I'm not mtbing with my buddies. Anyway, good luck..

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    5K is a lot of dough for a toy without a motor.
    5K is a pittance when you consider the motor you're investing in ;-P

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    Quote Originally Posted by targnik View Post
    5K is a pittance when you consider the motor you're investing in ;-P

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    But do you need to spend $5k for the same result?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcd46 View Post
    But do you need to spend $5k for the same result?
    If spending 5K means I live 5 years longer... It's a no brainer ;-P

    Or, you could be a couch potato, spend 5K on that triple bypass & spend the next 5 years trying to get into shape i.e. inevitably spending 5K on that bike >.<

    Wait!! That's 10K for option 2!?

    I'll take option 1 ^^

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    In order to get my latest bike, I got the girlfriend a car a few months ago before bringing up me purchasing a new bike. I don't recommend this method but it worked for me, pricey though.

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    I'm in a similar boat. Got married three months ago, just came to terms on our first house today (friggin' scary) and I am clearly more into biking than my wife (look at my bike list.. and that's including my BMX or road bikes).

    I've accepted the fact that my Kahuna is gonna be my trail bike for a while. Would I like a Process? Sure. But realistically none of my bikes are limiting my fun or enjoyment. (Quite the opposite - my Stab puts a huge smile on my face every time I ride it.)

    I'd recommend just riding your bike! You have a pretty good bike for a n00b. You'll become a better rider with more time on it. You can always upgrade parts as you have a little extra scratch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by natejc View Post

    Unfortunately, my wife thinks any form of cycling beyond an easy 3 miler through your neighborhood roads is insane and dangerous. When on vacation this past year, I rented her a mountain bike and tried to take her on a bit of single track and she ended up in tears after making it about 20 feet into the trail.
    How are you going to provide an example to your kids to lead a healthy lifestyle if you don't remain active? How are you going to give them an appreciation of the natural world? This is a huge problem in America right now. I wouldn't even think about having kids until you can guarantee that you can maintain a healthy lifestyle yourself, and cycling is an excellent way to do it.
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    Not sure what you do for a living but what about side jobs to help save up some money? In my relationship I am the one interested in a new bike, I have got my boyfriend to ride with me a few times I bought a 2nd bike (used) for that purpose. We might as well be married coming up on 6 years. Between us we have 5 kids. What I have learned from my first marriage is have separate bank accounts, each person has the bills they are accountable for, set some aside for savings and the rest can be budgeted how that person sees fit without the other person tapping into it. If I want to save mine I can, if he wants to buy airplane parts he can, works great. I have been going in ladies rides/ group rides and even though it takes up the whole day he has been super supportive. I get back and apologize for it taking all day and he asked me why I am apologizing.
    Riding is great for my mental health, itís my de stressor and keeps my anxiety down why better then other things I have tried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natejc View Post
    All good points! Thanks for the reply.

    And yes I agree it is a ton of money. Maybe I can only get like an AL jeffsy or something

    My thought too is to work with her on what a reasonable amount of money to spend on a bike would be. She does CrossFit at like $2k a year.
    I'd go with the middle ground on the likes of a Jeffsy or a Canyon Spectral, safe a ton of cash, still give you a well capable rig to get you through the house and kids stuff era and then look at the dream machine. They're like $2,2-2,500 in Al and $3500 for base spec carbon. The al is about a gym membership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abaughman View Post
    Not sure what you do for a living but what about side jobs to help save up some money?
    I am an engineer plus I do photography on the side as well.

    It is a lot of money, but it's not an insanely time consuming task for me to save that amount. My reason for this thread was to ask pretty much to hear other people's stories as well as to see if I was a little dumb by looking to upgrade while only riding for one half season on my roscoe (which I found out I was).

    So I will probably end up keeping my roscoe for another year at least, get a used fox 34 or pike for it and probably new brakes.
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    If you have to "convince" your wife to let you buy your "dream bike" you need to stop looking at bike porn... 'cause when you start talking about how you want to try something long. low and slack with lots of rear end squish, she's gonna think you been looking at something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    If you have to "convince" your wife to let you buy your "dream bike" you need to stop looking at bike porn...
    You're right. There are certain instagram tags I think we should all as a community stay away from...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MozFat View Post
    I'd go with the middle ground on the likes of a Jeffsy or a Canyon Spectral, safe a ton of cash, still give you a well capable rig to get you through the house and kids stuff era and then look at the dream machine. They're like $2,2-2,500 in Al and $3500 for base spec carbon. The al is about a gym membership.
    Honestly the Jeffsy might be an option. I'm wondering when they are going to release the 2019 models with an updated spec? If I upgrade, it needs to have a 1x12. There is no sense in upgrading to another 1x11 if I throw down some cash.

    Though I would still love to actually ride the bike before I buy. Maybe I can find someone on the forum who is local that has one I could try out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by natejc View Post
    Honestly the Jeffsy might be an option. I'm wondering when they are going to release the 2019 models with an updated spec? If I upgrade, it needs to have a 1x12. There is no sense in upgrading to another 1x11 if I throw down some cash.

    Though I would still love to actually ride the bike before I buy. Maybe I can find someone on the forum who is local that has one I could try out.
    I passed on a Yeti for the Jeffsy CF. Range is fine on the rear cassette. I was weary of it, dropping cash on a direct brand but I have rode the hell out of it and am totally satisfied. If one extra gear is gonna make that much of a difference, ride more and build your legs. Drop to a 30t up front if you need to. Fitness is basically free. Do I get the I get the wow factor of having a yeti in the garage, no but it is a good looking bike that I am very proud of. The extra 2800 in my pocket is nice. Plus that money is now in my wife and I travel funds, because it was set aside to blow on a hobby any way. We have taken three road trips since October to new trails and states since I bought the bike with one more coming in January. Had I bought the yeti I would be riding my local trails saving money wishing to go out of town.

    Old school car saying we have is... Chrome don't get you home no matter how shiny it is, the most important factor is being able to get out and ride. Pissed wife no ride, busted budget no ride etc...... Don't get caught up in the hype that "x" bike by marketing terms is the latest greatest end all until two hours after the press release of the new one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2obscura View Post
    Had I bought the yeti I would be riding my local trails saving money wishing to go out of town.
    I think I am in the same boat. We will see what happens when the 2019 YT models get released. I wonder if Canyon has gotten over their frame issues....
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    Quote Originally Posted by natejc View Post
    I think I am in the same boat. We will see what happens when the 2019 YT models get released. I wonder if Canyon has gotten over their frame issues....
    We are watching Canyon For my wife and after the frame recall we decided to hold off for a while. Searching for other options and previous year price drops.
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    It seems as though you have made up your mind to keep your Roscoe and upgrade it which is definitely the least expensive option for you. Others have suggested and I agree to checkout the used market such as on PinkBike.

    I was in the same boat you are (Salsa Timberjack) and wanting my dreambike after doing an Ibis demo over the summer. My wife scoffed at the price of any of their bikes. Every day I would go through the used section of Pinkbike seeing if there was anything new. I found a used top end 2017 Ibis Mojo HD3 for way less than half of what it costs new. Told the wife and she agreed to it since it was such a good deal. Great deals are out there if you're patient and keep your eyes open.

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    I am mid 50's and we just received a Christmas card from a college buddy. My wife said "he looks horrible" (huge ponch). 7+ hours on a bike per week helps keep my weight in check. Now would be the time to ask for a new bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natejc View Post
    My reason for this thread was to ask pretty much to hear other people's stories as well as to see if I was a little dumb by looking to upgrade while only riding for one half season on my roscoe (which I found out I was).
    First year I was riding on friends FS bike (well, rear susp was on a spring that was worn out pretty bad), that bike got sold a year later for 200 bucks on used list. After that I've got brand new alloy Spec Epic Comp with 100/100 travel for around 2k and rode it for 4 years as of now. Crashed it quite a few times, especially in the early days. After 2 years figured out what I want to change on the bike, so changed drivetrain from 2x10 to 1x11, replaced brakes & rotors and added dropper, all together for about 600-700 bucks. Saved probably 30-40% by waiting for sales online in the offseason and installing/servicing everything (apart from fork and shock) myself. Went to Moab's Outerbike event twice, demoed/rented few pretty decent bikes and still was pretty happy to ride my old rig. I'm getting a new toy this winter, but will keep old one as a backup and loaner for friends trying/starting to MTB, just like it happened to me 5.5 years ago.

    So I will probably end up keeping my roscoe for another year at least, get a used fox 34 or pike for it and probably new brakes.
    Sounds like a plan.

    Money-wise - people are all different, so its all personal: different income, different expenses, different tastes and requirements. My SO doesn't care much about how much I spend on my hobbies, but overall we keep it balanced - if I want to spend 7k on a new bike - she has a right to spend similar amount on something she wants. I'm a bit lucky she's not into designer's dresses and bags though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcd46 View Post
    But do you need to spend $5k for the same result?
    Not even remotely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    Putting family ahead of self + mutual respect of each other's passions + fiscal responsibility + open communication + work-life balance + patience.

    I may be missing a couple of minor items, since coffee.exe is still loading.
    You missed, always buying black bikes to hide any upgrades from your spouse.
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    This is going to sound cold but at this point it would be smart to divorce her and find a better one. Once you buy a house together and have children there is no going back. You have to ask yourself, Do I want to live like this for the rest of my life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    This is going to sound cold but at this point it would be smart to divorce her and find a better one. Once you buy a house together and have children there is no going back. You have to ask yourself, Do I want to live like this for the rest of my life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    This is going to sound cold but at this point it would be smart to divorce her and find a better one. Once you buy a house together and have children there is no going back. You have to ask yourself, Do I want to live like this for the rest of my life?
    Sounds like you've had a rough time. Hope things improve for you. Marriage and family with a good person can be the best thing in life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    This is going to sound cold but at this point it would be smart to divorce her and find a better one. Once you buy a house together and have children there is no going back. You have to ask yourself, Do I want to live like this for the rest of my life?
    For reals. Better set up that secret savings account now, before you completely lose the ability to make decisions for yourself.

    Good luck wit dat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    This is going to sound cold but at this point it would be smart to divorce her and find a better one. Once you buy a house together and have children there is no going back. You have to ask yourself, Do I want to live like this for the rest of my life?
    Dude he's an engineer. Do you have any idea how hard it is for them to get a girl??!!

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    This is going to sound cold but at this point it would be smart to divorce her and find a better one. Once you buy a house together and have children there is no going back. You have to ask yourself, Do I want to live like this for the rest of my life?


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    You missed, always buying black bikes to hide any upgrades from your spouse.
    LOL, that was more of an accident than a strategy. Kinda hard to pull it off with a blue Nimble 9, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by natejc View Post
    I think it has a lot to do with the fork. I'm always bottoming out. I think that with the proper adjustment or a fork upgrade, I can probably send it off of bigger features and have a little more comfort on the way down.

    For example: I really liked riding a couple of flow trails on Cady Hill a couple months ago. I feel like I could have ridden a little longer if I had a full-sus to absorb some impact. But I do know that most of it comes down to skill on my bike and will probably stick with the roscoe for 2019 + maybe a fork upgrade.

    (Playing devil's advocate): if you take DH parks out of the question, why would anyone spend more money on a full-sus when a hardtail can do all of the same stuff? Same thing in the watch industry: why spend 8k on a rolex sub when you can spend 20 dollars on a casio to tell you the time?
    Guessing you don't have old man back or ride on giant rocks all day? Full sus is much more comfortable on the chunk and gnar, with better traction and control. Plus i'm not beat up at the end of the day. Dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natejc View Post
    All good points! Thanks for the reply.

    And yes I agree it is a ton of money. Maybe I can only get like an AL jeffsy or something

    My thought too is to work with her on what a reasonable amount of money to spend on a bike would be. She does CrossFit at like $2k a year.
    I honestly cant see how someone who does crossfit can consider biking dangerous. Not say biking the safest sport. But Crossfit is pretty dangerous. Especially when most instructors teach jerky bad form lifting. Id start with looking at slightly used bikes. Plenty of 2 year old bikes that can handle what a Broson can and sell the hard tail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natejc View Post
    My thought too is to work with her on what a reasonable amount of money to spend on a bike would be. She does CrossFit at like $2k a year.
    Find out what her real concern is. Money? Time away from children/spouse? Injuries?
    If her concern is just the money, then having a talk could work out well. Go over what the bike will cost vs what you need to save for a house and kids. You can easily get 5 years out of the new bike. Your total cost over 5 years is half of what she will spend on CrossFit. Why does she get to spend $10k over the next 5 years on Crossfit, but you can't spend $5k on something that will have similar health benefits?


    Riding is pretty much my sole form of exercise, entertainment, and hobby. I am in much better shape than 95% of the people around me. My family also has history of heart disease, so like someone else said previously, a bike is cheaper than a heart attack. I'm also pretty frugal otherwise.
    In the end, it makes me happy, makes me healthier, and entertains me. That was good enough for my spouse.

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    Guys, I think the OP has it under control. Keeping the Roscoe, upgrading it, buy new bike later.

    He made it clear his wife is the one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerberus75 View Post
    I honestly cant see how someone who does crossfit can consider biking dangerous. Not say biking the safest sport. But Crossfit is pretty dangerous. Especially when most instructors teach jerky bad form lifting. Id start with looking at slightly used bikes. Plenty of 2 year old bikes that can handle what a Broson can and sell the hard tail.
    Cuz mountain biking is Xtreeeeeeem! Haven't you seen the ads featuring krrrazy mountain bikers? Where's my Dew?

    My in-laws, who live in the midwest, still think of mountain biking as hucking off of cliffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    This is going to sound cold but at this point it would be smart to divorce her and find a better one. Once you buy a house together and have children there is no going back. You have to ask yourself, Do I want to live like this for the rest of my life?
    That's shallow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCheesehead View Post
    That's shallow.
    Absolutely not. Not directed at anyone, but a lot of knee-jerk defensive reactions to that, but it's spot on. Society, businesses, churches, all tell us we "have to get married" and "have to have kids". Why? So businesses can have us buy more stuff? No, do what you want. If he really thinks this is the one and it's worth sacrificing his health for, then go for it. For many of us on this site, bikes keep us in the outdoors and connected with nature, active and healthy. You have to have someone that understands that connection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Same thing after riding seriously for 25+ years.
    5K is a lot of dough for a toy without a motor.
    $16,000 snowmobile and no one batts an eye.

    $4000 fat bike and everyone loses their mind.

    I put more km on my fatbike a winter than i did on my sled... and is healthier as it burns fat, not gas/cash.




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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    $16,000 snowmobile and no one batts an eye.

    $4000 fat bike and everyone loses their mind.

    I put more km on my fatbike a winter than i did on my sled... and is healthier as it burns fat, not gas/cash.
    Not saying there's anything wrong with it.
    Just saying it ain't necessarily necessary.
    Not many people one year into snowmobiling runs out and spends 16k either, with good reason.
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    If you have to ask your significant other for permission to buy a bike then you might have married the wrong girl .

    5800 might seem like a lot to her or anyone for that matter, but have you priced cancer lately? Any investment into your health is a wise investment.... and thatís exactly what a bike is. If it gets you off the sofa and out exercising then I say go get your bike.

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    Stop calling it a toy and start referring to it as an investment in your health for starters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Absolutely not. Not directed at anyone, but a lot of knee-jerk defensive reactions to that, but it's spot on. Society, businesses, churches, all tell us we "have to get married" and "have to have kids". Why? So businesses can have us buy more stuff? No, do what you want. If he really thinks this is the one and it's worth sacrificing his health for, then go for it. For many of us on this site, bikes keep us in the outdoors and connected with nature, active and healthy. You have to have someone that understands that connection.
    How is not buying a expensive bike sacrificing his health? He already has a bike. He never said his wife won't allow him to ride, just not to buy an expensive bike. The new bike isn't going to make him healthier

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    Quote Originally Posted by Len Baird View Post
    Stop calling it a toy and start referring to it as an investment in your health for starters.
    How can we abreiviate that and still come out with others knowing what it means? If we can get it even close to ďtoyĒ we might be on to something.
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    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    This is going to sound cold but at this point it would be smart to divorce her and find a better one. Once you buy a house together and have children there is no going back. You have to ask yourself, Do I want to live like this for the rest of my life?
    No way I would live like that, I'd buy a used Bronson and retain a good divorce lawyer with the rest.
    Bicycles don't have motors.

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    Divorce doesnít sound expensive at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Len Baird View Post
    Stop calling it a toy and start referring to it as an investment in your health for starters.
    You call it whatever you want; it's a toy to me, and more so the higher the price goes.
    You get the exact same health benefits of a $5000 bike with a $500 bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    You call it whatever you want; it's a toy to me, and more so the higher the price goes.
    You get the exact same health benefits of a $5000 bike with a $500 bike.
    Walk/run and it's free. I want a bike. I want a really nice bike. It's a toy, but so what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSU Alum View Post
    Walk/run and it's free. I want a bike. I want a really nice bike. It's a toy, but so what?
    There is no 'so what'. Like I said, nothing wrong with it; I've got ~20 of the damn things myself, along with a bunch of other toys. It's just not a requirement to spend top dollar on the newest and shiniest of everything in order to get some exercise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacon Fat View Post
    How is not buying a expensive bike sacrificing his health? He already has a bike. He never said his wife won't allow him to ride, just not to buy an expensive bike. The new bike isn't going to make him healthier
    His wife or wife-to-be thinks mountain biking is constantly hucking off of cliffs. Go re-read the OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    His wife or wife-to-be thinks mountain biking is constantly hucking off of cliffs. Go re-read the OP.
    But nowhere does it say she won't let him ride

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    After 25 years of marriage my non riding wife has given up. Don't buy new bikes often but when a new one shows up she just asks if its mine, we don't even engage in discussions about cost or how I paid for it.

    Recently my son got a new fatty and after she noticed it she asked me if it was mine, just told her to look at the color scheme and she immediately realized it was our sons then she said "whatever, he's just like you".

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    You call it whatever you want; it's a toy to me, and more so the higher the price goes.
    You get the exact same health benefits of a $5000 bike with a $500 bike.
    A $5000 bike will always get ridden more than a $500 bike. So the health benefits arenít equal after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALimon View Post
    A $5000 bike will always get ridden more than a $500 bike. So the health benefits arenít equal after all.
    Wildly untrue. When I used to ride trail 6-7 days a week, even took my car off the road completely for a few years and was by far in the best shape of my life, it was on much less expensive bikes than I have now.

    I know some people seem to need constant fancy purchases to motivate them, but there are also a lot of us who don't. Shopping and riding are two completely different things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by natejc View Post
    When on vacation this past year, I rented her a mountain bike and tried to take her on a bit of single track and she ended up in tears after making it about 20 feet into the trail.
    It's kind of your fault. Maybe you should've picked a different trail?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALimon View Post
    If you have to ask your significant other for permission to buy a bike then you might have married the wrong girl .
    Not when more expensive, more important family expenses (i.e. house and child) are on the horizon. Especially if you're about to take out a home loan, having a large new purchase on the credit card can screw with your ability to get financing for a house. Typically that would be something like a car but, depending on your credit score an expensive bike might also be a complication.

    You could flip this around and tell the wife that, "if your husband is blowing money on overpriced toys instead of using it for a down payment on the house without discussing it with you, you married the wrong guy".

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Wildly untrue. When I used to ride trail 6-7 days a week, even took my car off the road completely for a few years and was by far in the best shape of my life, it was on much less expensive bikes than I have now.

    I know some people seem to need constant fancy purchases to motivate them, but there are also a lot of us who don't. Shopping and riding are two completely different things.
    Why do you ride more expensive bikes now? Are you lacking motivation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dir-T View Post
    Not when more expensive, more important family expenses (i.e. house and child) are on the horizon. Especially if you're about to take out a home loan, having a large new purchase on the credit card can screw with your ability to get financing for a house. Typically that would be something like a car but, depending on your credit score an expensive bike might also be a complication.


    You could flip this around and tell the wife that, "if your husband is blowing money on overpriced toys instead of using it for a down payment on the house without discussing it with you, you married the wrong guy".

    We have no idea what their financial situation is, so to make up scenarios is kinda ridiculous. I will say if you have to buy a bike on a credit card maybe you shouldnít buy it in the first place.

    Most woman cant fathom spending 5800 on a bike, but they have no issues spending that on shoes and make up. Go figure.

    Happy wife, happy life right? Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALimon View Post
    Why do you ride more expensive bikes now? Are you lacking motivation?
    Nope, I'm lucky enough to occasionally get offered deals I can't refuse.

    I'm definitely less motivated than I was 10-15-20 years ago though. Or at least I don't have as much free time on my hands, which is probably a bigger factor. How much I spent on my bikes isn't even remotely a factor as to how much I get out, nor is it for anyone I can think of. Hell, we even sometime do 'retro' or 'junker' rides on old/cheap bikes and have just as much fun as on newer fancy bikes. Maybe more. Not everyone is a gear weenie, thank gawd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Wildly untrue. When I used to ride trail 6-7 days a week, even took my car off the road completely for a few years and was by far in the best shape of my life, it was on much less expensive bikes than I have now.
    Now is the key word here. Assuming you have 5yo and a brand new (all bells and whistles included) bikes now, which one would you ride more now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALimon View Post
    A $5000 bike will always get ridden more than a $500 bike. So the health benefits arenít equal after all.
    Hmm...I have ridden more than a 100,000 miles in my 49 years (I would imagine), and NONE of it was ever on a bike more expensive than my current Krampus ($1400 in 2015). In fact, you could total the sum of all the bikes I have ever owned, and it would probably not breach $4000

    I feel like I have invested well in my health in this area

    now food on the other hand...there have definitely been some bad choices in that world...that is a volatile market!
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    I know some people seem to need constant fancy purchases to motivate them, but there are also a lot of us who don't. Shopping and riding are two completely different things.
    This ^

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    Quote Originally Posted by borisotto View Post
    Now is the key word here. Assuming you have 5yo and a brand new (all bells and whistles included) bikes now, which one would you ride more now?
    Some combination of the right one for the job/the one I'm currently in the mood to ride/the one that is the least broken at the moment.
    Right now, I ride my newest bike the most for MTB. It's not even close to my most fancy/expensive bike, but it lets me keep avoiding some overdue maintenance. I've typically found many of the 'latest and greatest' 'must have' bells and whistles are more hype than anything I actually find a lot of benefit from.

    I probably spend almost as much time riding my hammered 6 year old BMX bike as my MTBs too, even though I have 2 nicer and much newer BMX bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Nope, I'm lucky enough to occasionally get offered deals I can't refuse.

    I'm definitely less motivated than I was 10-15-20 years ago though. Or at least I don't have as much free time on my hands, which is probably a bigger factor. How much I spent on my bikes isn't even remotely a factor as to how much I get out, nor is it for anyone I can think of. Hell, we even sometime do 'retro' or 'junker' rides on old/cheap bikes and have just as much fun as on newer fancy bikes. Maybe more. Not everyone is a gear weenie, thank gawd.
    I can ride cheaper bikes on the road, but not on the trails. I ride pretty aggressive, steeps, big hucks, park, all of that. So for me, once you go top shelf, I just canít go back. Perhaps when my riding style chills out, the quality of my ride wonít matter as much. But for now, a $500 beater wonít get it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALimon View Post
    I can ride cheaper bikes on the road, but not on the trails. I ride pretty aggressive, steeps, big hucks, park, all of that. So for me, once you go top shelf, I just canít go back. Perhaps when my riding style chills out, the quality of my ride wonít matter as much. But for now, a $500 beater wonít get it done.
    That wasn't the angle that was being pushed earlier though - it was fitness. I stand by the argument that you can get just as fit on a cheaper bike as on an expensive bike, because it's obviously true.

    But yeah, I wouldn't want to DH day in and day out on burly trails on a crappy hardtail either, and when I did a lot of that stuff, it was on high end bikes (that I got cheap ).

    I've had no problem going back to lower end bikes for regular trail riding though.
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    Don't ask me how I know this, but if your wife says, "Do whatever the f**k you want".

    She might not be giving you the thumbs up to buy a new bike, even though it kinda sounds like she is.

    Just sayin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALimon View Post
    We have no idea what their financial situation is, so to make up scenarios is kinda ridiculous.
    I didn't make up anything. The OP said, "we intend on having kids in a couple years so this would be my last toy purchase for a long time... now am working to save for a house (prospective first time home buyer in this market is not a fun time)".

    My statement no more ridiculous than someone suggesting he get a divorce over buying/not buying a bicycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dir-T View Post
    My statement no more ridiculous than someone suggesting he get a divorce over buying/not buying a bicycle.
    Not exactly setting the bar very high there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by myt1 View Post
    Don't ask me how I know this, but if your wife says, "Do whatever the f**k you want".

    She might not be giving you the thumbs up to buy a new bike, even though it kinda sounds like she is.

    Just sayin'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Some combination of the right one for the job
    I'm with you on that. My point is that if you have two bikes for the similar riding setup/conditions - you'd probably ride the better one to enjoy your ride more. And usually a new bike is better than an old one.

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    Perhaps a MF Huffy Warhawk instead. Have the gears dialed in and marriage saved...

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    It's kind of your fault. Maybe you should've picked a different trail?

    There was a similar incident I saw last Sunday. I was riding back from 'the hill' on a gravel road and this male biker is talking to a family walking along. He mentioned that he had his girlfriend behind him and she 'gave up' and is waiting for him to finish his ride. He said he didn't understand it, they just both hiked a different mountain last week with no problem, and then she just gives up 1.5 miles into this easy road. I thought maybe he was riding and she was walking or something.

    So I leave and see her sitting down about 1/4 mile down the road. She's got a bike next to her, she's sitting right down in the middle of the road, doing nothing. I said 'your partner is coming back soon', she said OK, a bit sarcastically. I don't get it. My wife did this too several years ago, didn't want to push a bike up a small incline. We had to switch bikes because mine was lighter. I know they can do it but they just decide they don't like it after they have already committed to a ride. Pretty flaky. My wife runs marathons, but she can't ride a bike 5 miles. I wonder how common this is; this thread is probably just the tip of the iceberg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by borisotto View Post
    I'm with you on that. My point is that if you have two bikes for the similar riding setup/conditions - you'd probably ride the better one to enjoy your ride more. And usually a new bike is better than an old one.
    Maybe...see my point re: my BMX bikes. My go-to is neither better or newer than others have, I just enjoy riding it more.

    I've also got a couple older 26" bikes that I still take out regularly, even though I've got a much newer 27.5 plus bike sitting right next to them. I really don't care whether I run 8-9 speed or 10 or 11, I don't give care if I run tubes or not, don't care if I have a dropper, definitely don't give a damn about carbon or SLX vs XTR, 100mm travel or 130 or 160...I dunno, I find I can enjoy riding whatever bike I grab after a mile or two adjustment period. Variety is good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALimon View Post
    A $5000 bike will always get ridden more than a $500 bike. So the health benefits arenít equal after all.

    I dunno about that. I was looking at any Performance Bike closeout deals...they have some hardtails at $5000, and even with a $1-2K discount they are still not selling them. They are sitting there, not being ridden. $500 bikes get sold and ridden. Just not on here.
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    Buy used or look at other brands that are not so expensive if you're dead set on the bike being new. I don't subscribe to the whole "asking your spouse for permission" thing, so I won't comment on that part of your post but will share a tip that has been very useful: keep at least 3 bank accounts--one shared, one just for you, and one just for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matadorCE View Post
    Buy used or look at other brands that are not so expensive if you're dead set on the bike being new. I don't subscribe to the whole "asking your spouse for permission" thing, so I won't comment on that part of your post but will share a tip that has been very useful: keep at least 3 bank accounts--one shared, one just for you, and one just for her.
    This isnt bad advice. And it doesn't need to be sneaky. My wife and I both bike. And have other hobbies and interest. Hobbies or nessasary stuff comes out of our own accounts. My wife is in a band that has gotten expensive. So instead of buying a lot of new bike parts. She waits till I replace something. Since I normally replace and sell off or she raides my spare parts bin lol.

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    Oh yeah, and always buy black bikes and parts.
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    For us, marriage is a partnership. We don't ask each other for permission to make large purchases, but instead we do discuss purchases that are over a certain amount before making them to determine if we are spending the money wisely and if it will affect our budget or future financial plans.

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    If I may offer an alternative where you can get your dream bike and maybe even for a fraction of the cost of the new bike - you can get the same bike!

    I did this back in 2008 with a dream bike - 2006 Yeti AS-X which at the time was about $4200 new (give or take), the frame alone went for around $1600 - $1900 new. I found a frame on Craigslist for $800 and in excellent shape.

    Since you have the Roscoe, you have something to ride around while you do this, this will take you some time so patience will be key here. It took me a year to get the parts and such and get the bike built but I saved about 50% of what the bike would have cost new.

    Start with the frame - you have a dream bike so you know what frame you need. Do you absolutely need the 2019 model? Can you get by with a year or two older model? If you are flexible on the year, you can peruse the internet (online shops, craigslist, etc) to find someone selling the size frame of the bike you are dreaming about and eventually you will find a good match for you bike and price wise.

    Then it is just search the internet for parts as you can afford them. I got a $240 set of Avid Hydro 3s for $60 with rotors brand new (complete set) off a guy who was selling it locally on the bike forums. I found a $700 fork for $299 on sale at a website. If you are patient, you can find some great parts for very cheap and on your timetable of affordability.

    In addition, you get to pick the components of your bike so you can get the best of all worlds on your build and save money in the long run.

    Just an idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    That wasn't the angle that was being pushed earlier though - it was fitness. I stand by the argument that you can get just as fit on a cheaper bike as on an expensive bike, because it's obviously true.

    But yeah, I wouldn't want to DH day in and day out on burly trails on a crappy hardtail either, and when I did a lot of that stuff, it was on high end bikes (that I got cheap ).

    I've had no problem going back to lower end bikes for regular trail riding though.
    I still disagree. My first bike was a cheap Gary fisher hardtail. I didnít ride that bike as often as I would have liked to because it beat the crap out of me. Then when I upgraded to the much more pricey full suspension I rode 5 days a week and much further than I would ever want to on the hardtail.

    I got 10x more exercise on the more expensive bike than I ever would have on the cheapy bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALimon View Post
    I still disagree. My first bike was a cheap Gary fisher hardtail. I didnít ride that bike as often as I would have liked to because it beat the crap out of me. Then when I upgraded to the much more pricey full suspension I rode 5 days a week and much further than I would ever want to on the hardtail.

    I got 10x more exercise on the more expensive bike than I ever would have on the cheapy bike.
    No reason you couldn't have ridden plenty on a cheaper bike though.
    You just chose not to.

    Many millions of people get fit and have lots of fun riding without spending thousands, so obviously a fancy bike is a 'want' not a 'need'. Simple facts, there's nothing to agree or disagree with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Maybe...see my point re: my BMX bikes. My go-to is neither better or newer than others have, I just enjoy riding it more.

    I've also got a couple older 26" bikes that I still take out regularly, even though I've got a much newer 27.5 plus bike sitting right next to them. I really don't care whether I run 8-9 speed or 10 or 11, I don't give care if I run tubes or not, don't care if I have a dropper, definitely don't give a damn about carbon or SLX vs XTR, 100mm travel or 130 or 160...I dunno, I find I can enjoy riding whatever bike I grab after a mile or two adjustment period. Variety is good!
    You're like me, a just get on the damn bike and ride it type.

    Rode my 26er this afternoon, I was about to be late for a meeting and it was the easiest to grab and throw in the back of my car as I was leaving. But I wasn't wishing that I was riding my most expensive bike or my newest bike. Though the 26er had the highest MSRP of them all (even more so considering that it is a hardtail), I have the least amount of money in it as I bought it used a couple of years ago and it is a 2006; less than $500 invested with purchase and upgrades. If it was my only bike, I wouldn't ride less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALimon View Post
    I still disagree. My first bike was a cheap Gary fisher hardtail. I didnít ride that bike as often as I would have liked to because it beat the crap out of me. Then when I upgraded to the much more pricey full suspension I rode 5 days a week and much further than I would ever want to on the hardtail.

    I got 10x more exercise on the more expensive bike than I ever would have on the cheapy bike.
    This is right, but I think it's more than just price or type of bike. If you hit the nail on the head and get what you truly want, will use, and works for you, you'll ride the crap out of it. If it's something you are lukewarm about, you probably won't. I don't ride my XC bike on non-race stuff much just because of this, or I ride my AM bike a lot more because we just built a bunch of new downhill trails with jumps and gaps where it's the right tool for the job, I'm always stoked to go out and ride it because it's so much fun. I like the XC race stuff too and railing uphills fast, but not as much as the other stuff. Everybody is a bit different and there is a certain level you need to pass to have a functional bike that'll work well in most conditions, if the brake are significantly inadequate, or the suspension significantly junky, then you may be back in the "lukewarm" status, but these things aren't hand in hand with price either. You could have a kickass AM hardtail that you like to rail the trails on that's way cheaper than a $8000 dentist enduro machine.

    The problem is that a lot of inexperienced riders don't know what to get, don't have enough experience or knowledge to know, don't understand why or where to spend the money. It doesn't have to be 8K even though they might be able to afford it. Lots of high end bikes sit around because the users don't ride them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgltrak View Post
    For us, marriage is a partnership. We don't ask each other for permission to make large purchases, but instead we do discuss purchases that are over a certain amount before making them to determine if we are spending the money wisely and if it will affect our budget or future financial plans.
    I believe when most people mention "getting permission," ^this is really what is happening (more or less).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Lots of high end bikes sit around because the users don't ride them.
    Very true, and lots of affordable bikes get the hell ridden out of them. (And vice versa or course.)
    Like almost everything MTB, it's far more about the rider than the bike, and you simply can't buy fitness (or skills).
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    I wonder how much his significant others ring set cost? How much is the wedding going to cost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kuhl View Post
    I wonder how much his significant others ring set cost? How much is the wedding going to cost?
    Weddings.... probably the worst money a man could ever spend.

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    I bought my current full suspension bike when it was a year old from a guy who was selling it to buy an engagement ring. I almost told him he was making the biggest mistake in his life but I didn't.
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