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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    The cursor starts above the quote, but you can move it
    That's what I figured.

    Cursor placement can be an issue in the ride pic threads. People need to hit enter a few times after their caption so the pic falls directly below the text.
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    posting ellohkwently on inernet forums taks scil n faness
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    I get why the image sizing limit was installed. It was just done in a lazy way that sucks. I remember when there wasn't an image size limit, and people posting REALLY large images blew out the site layout. Especially on those photo threads. One bad post would wreck the entire thread, because the buttons to reply to the post would be off the page, and no scroll bars available to retrieve them. It was a mess.
    Sure. But at the very least, increase the minimum to something that makes sense for computer screens in 2018 (I assume stuff gets sized differently for mobile anyway).

    But the current solution is a hack that wrecks images. It sizes UP small images, too. I used to use HTML embeds when those were permitted, and IIRC, those weren't subject to resizing.
    Wow, I didn't realize it also sizes UP small images. Super lame. Most of the other forums I post on work way better with externally hosted images. Please add this one to the list MTBRadmin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Firefox.

    I've noticed that you guys on Tapatalk's quotes are showing up with the quote below your reply, been that way for a few months I think.
    Yeah, it changed with an update to the app. I use both, and on firefox, I have the multiple quote syndrome.

    Tapatalk is much easier to load pictures and quote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcd46 View Post
    Yeah, it changed with an update to the app. I use both, and on firefox, I have the multiple quote syndrome.

    Tapatalk is much easier to load pictures and quote.

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    Yeah, I don't get the multi quote problem on tapatalk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    It is a pain in the ass to manually have to deselect each previously quoted post before quoting someone else. No other forum I have ever posted in requires this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    That's what I figured.

    Cursor placement can be an issue in the ride pic threads. People need to hit enter a few times after their caption so the pic falls directly below the text.
    Like this?
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    Or, like this?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

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    I welcome our new alien overlords with open arms. I already see that Cornfield is one of them.

    They can harvest the organs from all you complainers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBRadmin View Post
    Noted. If you have ideas for how to make the time you spend here better let me know.
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    Welcome!

    Two things come to mind that would make the site a lot easier for me, and hopefully others, to use:
    1. Make the "go to latest post" icon bigger (blue square with 2 white arrows). It's especially tricky to press on mobile
    2. List the newest message from each subscribed thread right in the drop down from Notifications (main bar, always visible), and add a count of subscribed threads with an unread message on the corner of "Notifications". Maybe this would be "Default Thread Subscription Mode:" "Instantly, through notifications"

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    Mulitquote sticks on me, Safari on a Mac.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Like this?
    Looks like you know exactly what I'm talking about, bottom two.

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    I welcome our new alien overlords with open arms. I already see that Cornfield is one of them.

    They can harvest the organs from all you complainers.
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    Maybe check with Imgur and see what it is about MTBR that pissed them off.

    Something happened here and they quit letting photo embeds from there work here about a year ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by net wurker View Post
    Maybe check with Imgur and see what it is about MTBR that pissed them off.

    Something happened here and they quit letting photo embeds from there work here about a year ago.
    Maybe an overabundance of Lana pics?

    Just a thought.
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    Hoping to get the @mention feature soon. Hopefully that cup of coffee gave the IT guy some boost

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    And why can we not embed PinkBike videos?
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    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by net wurker View Post
    Maybe check with Imgur and see what it is about MTBR that pissed them off.

    Something happened here and they quit letting photo embeds from there work here about a year ago.
    All the people using imgur in the classifieds to sell stuff violated imgur's terms of use. The only thing that can be done now is for mtbr to allow embedding, so we can use their "Embed Unit".

    https://help.imgur.com/hc/en-us/arti...743-Embed-Unit


    lol@ "Embed Unit"
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    MTBR would be better if it didn't censor profanity.
    Ya bastard!
    Isn't that what Pinkbike is for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBRadmin View Post
    Noted. If you have ideas for how to make the time you spend here better let me know.
    -Philip
    Can you allow users to post reviews about bikes and components directly, instead of submitting the review and then nothing happens.

    The bike review section is pretty stale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richj8990 View Post
    Can you allow users to post reviews about bikes and components directly, instead of submitting the review and then nothing happens.

    The bike review section is pretty stale.
    There’s a review section on here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    There’s a review section on here?
    Mountain Bike Review's list of bikes for user reviews, editorial reviews, bike deals, used bikes and more - mtbr.com

    It's there, but no way to post a review directly, you have to submit it indirectly and no monitor has the time to approve it, so it's in limbo forever.
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    Before I search for reviews, I search for threads that have enough info on what I need.

    It would be nice for it to work though, it also requires member participation, most people just post threads instead.

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    I'd like to see the return of the option to have only 10 posts per page in the forum. 100 posts per page means lots of scrolling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgltrak View Post
    I'd like to see the return of the option to have only 10 posts per page in the forum. 100 posts per page means lots of scrolling.
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    Yeah, the scrolling gets to be a bit much. Here's what I did: Go to Settings. On the left side, find General Settings under My Settings/MyAccount. Scroll to Tread Display Options and select Linear - Newest First. Everything displays newest first.
    Use it, use it, use it while you still have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richj8990 View Post
    Mountain Bike Review's list of bikes for user reviews, editorial reviews, bike deals, used bikes and more - mtbr.com

    It's there, but no way to post a review directly, you have to submit it indirectly and no monitor has the time to approve it, so it's in limbo forever.
    I was kinda half joking. I stopped looking at the review section years ago once I realized it was pretty lame.
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    The Passion forum certainly hasent changed much.

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    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

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    Cleaned out. Thanks for the heads up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    The Passion forum certainly hasent changed much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgltrak View Post
    I'd like to see the return of the option to have only 10 posts per page in the forum. 100 posts per page means lots of scrolling.
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    You should be able to tailor this in your user control panel. It will certainly be an option as soon as we get the mobile skin working.
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    I have not got to this one yet but will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richj8990 View Post
    Can you allow users to post reviews about bikes and components directly, instead of submitting the review and then nothing happens.

    The bike review section is pretty stale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    And why can we not embed PinkBike videos?
    Do you have a link to a pinkbike video? Are these just youtube/vimeo videos?
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    I am looking into this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    All the people using imgur in the classifieds to sell stuff violated imgur's terms of use. The only thing that can be done now is for mtbr to allow embedding, so we can use their "Embed Unit".

    https://help.imgur.com/hc/en-us/arti...743-Embed-Unit


    lol@ "Embed Unit"

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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    Mulitquote sticks on me, Safari on a Mac.
    Could you explain "sticks on me"? I want to try and replicate this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeggs1993 View Post
    Welcome!

    Two things come to mind that would make the site a lot easier for me, and hopefully others, to use:
    1. Make the "go to latest post" icon bigger (blue square with 2 white arrows). It's especially tricky to press on mobile
    2. List the newest message from each subscribed thread right in the drop down from Notifications (main bar, always visible), and add a count of subscribed threads with an unread message on the corner of "Notifications". Maybe this would be "Default Thread Subscription Mode:" "Instantly, through notifications"
    We will have a new mobile skin launched soon. I was hoping by end of week though the holiday July 1st for the Canadians and 4th for the US is putting us short staffed the last week. I will update as soon as I can on this.
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    If you posted a question or made a request and it was not answered please bump your post. I have been trying to play catch up and may have missed one or two posts. Not ignoring anyone just need your help if I missed anything. Also I have an inbox full of name change requests. I will be working on this today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBRadmin View Post
    Do you have a link to a pinkbike video? Are these just youtube/vimeo videos?
    -Philip
    Personal ride videos would be nice to embed from PB.

    https://m.pinkbike.com/video/362230/
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    Mulitquote sticks on me, Safari on a Mac.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Looks like you know exactly what I'm talking about, bottom two.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBRadmin View Post
    Could you explain "sticks on me"? I want to try and replicate this.
    -Philip
    Hit the multi-quote button on Corn and my quotes, then hit reply with quote to your post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    Mulitquote sticks on me, Safari on a Mac.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Looks like you know exactly what I'm talking about, bottom two.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBRadmin View Post
    If you posted a question or made a request and it was not answered please bump your post. I have been trying to play catch up and may have missed one or two posts. Not ignoring anyone just need your help if I missed anything. Also I have an inbox full of name change requests. I will be working on this today.
    -Philip
    Now I just hit Reply With Quote to you. The earlier two multi-quote clicked comments did not turn off after I quoted them. They will continue to be quoted until I go turn them off. Sometimes, once quoted, they do turn themselves off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    Now I just hit Reply With Quote to you. The earlier two multi-quote clicked comments did not turn off after I quoted them. They will continue to be quoted until I go turn them off. Sometimes, once quoted, they do turn themselves off.
    Yep, it doesn’t matter what device you are posting from either. Once you hit submit the multi quote function should work for that post but automatically shut off but it doesn’t. Once you go to post again in the same thread it posts the quotes you marked earlier until you go back in and manually uncheck those you quoted.

    Hope this helps to explain it, Philip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Yep, it doesn’t matter what device you are posting from either. Once you hit submit the multi quote function should work for that post but automatically shut off but it doesn’t. Once you go to post again the same thread it posts the quotes you marked earlier until you go back in and manually uncheck those you quoted.

    Hope this helps to explain it, Philip.
    I have noticed this as well. Its like an odd cookie behavior. Will look into this.
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    wow, I get busy at work and then take a vacation and everything changes. Welcome Philip! I have a number of structural changes to the forum layout that I have an old thread about in the Mods forum. Perhaps we can speak on the phone soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    wow, I get busy at work and then take a vacation and everything changes. Welcome Philip! I have a number of structural changes to the forum layout that I have an old thread about in the Mods forum. Perhaps we can speak on the phone soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    wow, I get busy at work and then take a vacation and everything changes. Welcome Philip! I have a number of structural changes to the forum layout that I have an old thread about in the Mods forum. Perhaps we can speak on the phone soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBRadmin View Post
    I have not got to this one yet but will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonaid View Post
    My only wish is that the new owners please make the site objective and as free from industry influence as much as possible.

    ...and add a MTB skills forum

    Well they do have to post ads to keep the site free, that's kinda the faustian bargain of it all, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimw View Post
    ^^^ Actually glad someone mentioned that, it bugs the crap out of me when someone quotes an entire post (especially if it contains a bunch of pics) only to make a completely unrelated one line comment that you have to scroll through pages of quoted pics to get to. So yeah, anything to help clean up after the lazy people would be great.

    Speaking of pics, pics posted via BBCode tags get resized to a ridiculously small size. This is not the case on many other forums I use. I host all my pics on another site and use BBCode to post them here, I don't need an easier way to post pictures, I just want to be able to post them via BBCode and not have them resized. The horizontal limit appears to be 550 pixels. I resize my externally hosted photos to 800 px in the long dimension. When I post here, this means that landscape pics get resized to the same width as portrait pics, which really makes trip report posts with pics look... lame.

    Example pic, should be 800 px wide but displays here as 550 px wide:



    Here's the actual BBCode (I wrapped it in [PHP] tags, couldn't see any other way to get the BBCode to show up w/o actually trying to display the picture):

    PHP Code:
    [URL=https://s168.photobucket.com/user/jwintermyre/media/Misc_MtnBike/IMG_4511.jpg.html][IMG]https://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u164/jwintermyre/Misc_MtnBike/IMG_4511.jpg[/IMG][/URL] 
    There was actually a thread about this issue on the Site Feedback forum here:
    https://forums.mtbr.com/site-feedbac...s-1067470.html

    Ironically, the initial post apparently got screwed up by a virus so no longer shows the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimw View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    I get why the image sizing limit was installed. It was just done in a lazy way that sucks. I remember when there wasn't an image size limit, and people posting REALLY large images blew out the site layout. Especially on those photo threads. One bad post would wreck the entire thread, because the buttons to reply to the post would be off the page, and no scroll bars available to retrieve them. It was a mess.
    Sure. But at the very least, increase the minimum to something that makes sense for computer screens in 2018 (I assume stuff gets sized differently for mobile anyway).

    But the current solution is a hack that wrecks images. It sizes UP small images, too. I used to use HTML embeds when those were permitted, and IIRC, those weren't subject to resizing.
    Wow, I didn't realize it also sizes UP small images. Super lame. Most of the other forums I post on work way better with externally hosted images. Please add this one to the list MTBRadmin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    I think the sub-forum structure could stand to be re-arranged. for example, you could combine the following pairs of potentially redundant sub-forums:

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    I know the gravel bike forum is still new, but the title of that forum could be "cyclocross and gravel"

    and get rid of the e-bike forum.

    I don't speak for everyone here, but those are mu suggestions.

    Please add a mtb skills forum where people can discuss and critique one another's skills and technique. everyone can post embarrassing videos of themselves failing at being rad and give each other pointers.

    These are good suggestions, but I'm confused when you say you we need a separate forum for all-mountain. Isn't that a forum right now? It already exists. Do you mean differentiating them, like, hardtail AM forum and then FS AM forum or something?

    As far as being objective, certain fellow riders on here have told me there is no 'trail bike' forum because sponsors/advertisers want people to buy either expensive, lightweight XC bikes or huge-forked AM bikes. In other words, cheaper hardtails over 25 lbs and generally under $1700 with 80-120mm forks don't have their own forum because there is no real money to be made from them, and yet a large percentage of people on here ride one or more of them, sometimes exclusively. I guess this would be analogous to the 26" forum, relatively boring but still with a purpose and still exchanging ideas.
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    Another thing about quoting (not sure if this was mentioned before?). Clicking "Reply With Quote" doesn't include nested quotes, it only quotes the text at the top level of the post in question, not any quotes included inside that post. Seems like it should include all quotes from the original post, it's easy to lose context of what you're replying to when previous quotes are stripped. So for my previous post I had to manually edit it to include the quoted text I was replying to in the original response. Without the original quotes to which I was responding, my response would have been confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richj8990 View Post
    These are good suggestions, but I'm confused when you say you we need a separate forum for all-mountain. Isn't that a forum right now? It already exists. Do you mean differentiating them, like, hardtail AM forum and then FS AM forum or something?

    As far as being objective, certain fellow riders on here have told me there is no 'trail bike' forum because sponsors/advertisers want people to buy either expensive, lightweight XC bikes or huge-forked AM bikes. In other words, cheaper hardtails over 25 lbs and generally under $1700 with 80-120mm forks don't have their own forum because there is no real money to be made from them, and yet a large percentage of people on here ride one or more of them, sometimes exclusively. I guess this would be analogous to the 26" forum, relatively boring but still with a purpose and still exchanging ideas.
    I have a ton of ideas about this and other consolidation items we are discussing in the mods forum as well. Frankly the All Mountain section is kinda pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richj8990 View Post
    As far as being objective, certain fellow riders on here have told me there is no 'trail bike' forum because sponsors/advertisers want people to buy either expensive, lightweight XC bikes or huge-forked AM bikes. In other words, cheaper hardtails over 25 lbs and generally under $1700 with 80-120mm forks don't have their own forum because there is no real money to be made from them, and yet a large percentage of people on here ride one or more of them, sometimes exclusively. I guess this would be analogous to the 26" forum, relatively boring but still with a purpose and still exchanging ideas.
    Thinking conspiracy theory when there isn't one. Really, "trail bikes" fall under "everything else" and basically fit into General. The riding style specific subforums began to appear when those sub disciplines got popular.

    I do feel like quite a few subforums need to be condensed. Frankly, I think ALL of the wheel size specific forums should go away completely. The truly wheel and tire discussions should go in wheels and tires, and all the rest can go into their respective forums. No discussions in those forums really need their own spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBRadmin View Post
    I nearly bought a pair of gravel bike tires for my commuter but only cause they looked like snake skin and had better road performance reviews than most of the other tires I looked at. So do more people here hate the gravel bike forum, the e-bike forum or the fat bike forum? I am trying to understand where most of you stand here.
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    I don't understand why gravel bikes would be separate from cyclocross, and so I agree with Mack Turtle that many on here should be combined. Fat bike forum should stay for sure because some people are in cold climates and that's the only bike/tire they can ride on in winter, so they need it.


    Below you can see an example of an e-biker arguing with a pedal biker, so that's the most contentious forum (besides the access/local forums where there is a lot of finger pointing about who forced what trail to close down). As someone who is in the middle of an e-bike conversion, I really am trying to keep out of all of their for/against arguments, and trying to see it from an outside, neutral perspective. A few sprinkles of facts/opinions below:

    1. Pedal bikers see e-bikes as a corruption of biking in general, and especially mountain biking. They look at it as cheating. These pedal bikers often work hard to get the best Strava time on a trail and then some e-biker destroys their time. It's a bit of an ego thing.

    2. This has not happened in my area, but supposedly many trails have been shut down for ALL biking because e-bikers were a bit too aggressive with walkers/hikers, or rode on restricted parts of the trail, or damaged property/trees/bushes, etc. So the pedal bikers are upset about this and want all e-bikes to be banned from their trails. This appears to be the main reason why pedal bikers hate e-bikers.

    3. While there are some e-bikers who are reckless and don't care about the rules at all on the trail, to the detriment of us all, there are also some e-bikers that are respectful, and ride responsibly and they should not be lumped in with the antisocial ones that are taunting the rangers and destroying the trails. A lot of e-bikers are overweight and I think it's great that they can ride and lose weight with an e-bike. Or they are older and can't do an epic ride anymore without some help. Don't discourage them from riding just because someone else on an e-bike was a jerk yesterday on the same trail. Don't blacklist all e-bikers as antisocial jerks that don't care about trails closing. They are not all like that. Some of them have ridden for decades and have multiple pedal bikes, and choose to e-bike for specific reasons in addition to their pedal biking. Those riders are real mountain bikers who just happen to own an e-bike. Get over it. Accept e-bikes as something that's here to stay.

    4. However, with that said, the demand to delete the e-bike forum is so great on here that maybe it's for the better. You can always find plenty of info. on other sites about e-bikes anyway.
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    Another thing about quoting (not sure if this was mentioned before?). Clicking "Reply With Quote" doesn't include nested quotes, it only quotes the text at the top level of the post in question, not any quotes included inside that post. Seems like it should include all quotes from the original post, it's easy to lose context of what you're replying to when previous quotes are stripped. So for my previous post I had to manually edit it to include the quoted text I was replying to in the original response. Without the original quotes to which I was responding, my response would have been confusing.
    These primarily relate to the way vBulletin software functions. I will see if there are any easy fixes with settings but some of what is described would need the code to be hacked to change it or a plugin found that would make this happen. Cant make any promises yet but can look into this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richj8990 View Post
    I don't understand why gravel bikes would be separate from cyclocross, and so I agree with Mack Turtle that many on here should be combined. Fat bike forum should stay for sure because some people are in cold climates and that's the only bike/tire they can ride on in winter, so they need it.

    I agree there are probably too many sub-forums but gravel/cyclo-cross isn't the best combo IMO. Cyclo-cross is a pretty specific cycling discipline and would be a better fit in the xc-racing forum than gravel.
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    Gravel riding is a category that is growing. Be it on a hardtail, a cyclocross or a dedicated gravel bike, but is growing for several reasons.
    The Gravel Bike forum should stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richj8990 View Post
    I don't understand why gravel bikes would be separate from cyclocross, and so I agree with Mack Turtle that many on here should be combined. Fat bike forum should stay for sure because some people are in cold climates and that's the only bike/tire they can ride on in winter, so they need it.


    Below you can see an example of an e-biker arguing with a pedal biker, so that's the most contentious forum (besides the access/local forums where there is a lot of finger pointing about who forced what trail to close down). As someone who is in the middle of an e-bike conversion, I really am trying to keep out of all of their for/against arguments, and trying to see it from an outside, neutral perspective. A few sprinkles of facts/opinions below:

    1. Pedal bikers see e-bikes as a corruption of biking in general, and especially mountain biking. They look at it as cheating. These pedal bikers often work hard to get the best Strava time on a trail and then some e-biker destroys their time. It's a bit of an ego thing.

    2. This has not happened in my area, but supposedly many trails have been shut down for ALL biking because e-bikers were a bit too aggressive with walkers/hikers, or rode on restricted parts of the trail, or damaged property/trees/bushes, etc. So the pedal bikers are upset about this and want all e-bikes to be banned from their trails. This appears to be the main reason why pedal bikers hate e-bikers.

    3. While there are some e-bikers who are reckless and don't care about the rules at all on the trail, to the detriment of us all, there are also some e-bikers that are respectful, and ride responsibly and they should not be lumped in with the antisocial ones that are taunting the rangers and destroying the trails. A lot of e-bikers are overweight and I think it's great that they can ride and lose weight with an e-bike. Or they are older and can't do an epic ride anymore without some help. Don't discourage them from riding just because someone else on an e-bike was a jerk yesterday on the same trail. Don't blacklist all e-bikers as antisocial jerks that don't care about trails closing. They are not all like that. Some of them have ridden for decades and have multiple pedal bikes, and choose to e-bike for specific reasons in addition to their pedal biking. Those riders are real mountain bikers who just happen to own an e-bike. Get over it. Accept e-bikes as something that's here to stay.

    4. However, with that said, the demand to delete the e-bike forum is so great on here that maybe it's for the better. You can always find plenty of info. on other sites about e-bikes anyway.
    Maybe you should actually read the ebike threads before posting your "sprinkles". If you did, you'd find very little mention of "cheating". I also haven't seen a lot of mention of Strava time and ebikes destroying anyone's time. You also won't find much mention of trails that HAVE been shut down, just fears of it happening.

    Most discussion is if electric bicycles are just an advance in bicycles or if they are no longer bicycles due to having a motor. And if ebikes should just get automatic access to all mountain bike trails or if the land manager should decide if they are given access or not. A lot of the bicyclist are fine with ebikes on the road and think they should have some access but that ebikers need to form their own advocacy groups and not just try to gain access as mountain bikers. Many of the mountain bikers point out that on most trails, there is no one to check that an ebike is an unmodified class 1 ebike and thus if access is given to class 1 ebikes, it is effectively giving access to all ebikes.

    I agree completely with #4. But since this is a commercial site, I'm sure the bean counters would prefer to have the traffic than give the forum the boot.
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    Apparently, no one is going to put a stop to the Korean spam attacks. They are beating down passion, being the 1st forum on the board. Can we just make a new subforum above passion, at the top of the list, for them to attack? Just call the damn thing “Korean Spam”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowpoker View Post
    Apparently, no one is going to put a stop to the Korean spam attacks. They are beating down passion, being the 1st forum on the board. Can we just make a new subforum above passion, at the top of the list, for them to attack? Just call the damn thing “Korean Spam”.
    Nope. Annoying AF. All this talk of fixing things and yet even this simple thing they haven’t stopped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowpoker View Post
    Apparently, no one is going to put a stop to the Korean spam attacks. They are beating down passion, being the 1st forum on the board. Can we just make a new subforum above passion, at the top of the list, for them to attack? Just call the damn thing “Korean Spam”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikej View Post
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    Page clicks are traffic through the site.....good or bad, it is still traffic.
    My suggestion doesn’t take away from this ridiculous excuse I keep hearing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowpoker View Post
    Apparently, no one is going to put a stop to the Korean spam attacks. They are beating down passion, being the 1st forum on the board. Can we just make a new subforum above passion, at the top of the list, for them to attack? Just call the damn thing “Korean Spam”.
    So Passion is worse than post #226 of this thread from 13 hours ago?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    So Passion is worse than post #226 of this thread from 13 hours ago?
    Poor passion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowpoker View Post
    Poor passion...
    The Koreans are passionatelyattackingPassionwithspam.
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    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stripes View Post
    Nope. Annoying AF. All this talk of fixing things and yet even this simple thing they haven’t stopped.
    I wouldn't be surprised if the new owners started cleaning up the back end of the site, and disabled some plugin or such that did reduce the spam in the past. 'cause I haven't seen spam attacks this bad in quite some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if the new owners started cleaning up the back end of the site, and disabled some plugin or such that did reduce the spam in the past. 'cause I haven't seen spam attacks this bad in quite some time.
    Holy crap! Yesterday when we were bich-n & moaning about it, it was only 3/4 of the front page. Now it’s the entire 1st page, 2nd page and half of the 3rd page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Holy crap! Yesterday when we were bich-n & moaning about it, it was only 3/4 of the front page. Now it’s the entire 1st page, 2nd page and half of the 3rd page.
    Maybe the site has been bought by the spammers?

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    Combine...

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    do we need a separate forum for All Mountain - Mtbr.com

    I know the gravel bike forum is still new, but the title of that forum could be "cyclocross and gravel"

    and get rid of the e-bike forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBRadmin View Post
    Cyclo-Cross and Gravel we can look at but it was always my understanding that one is competitive racing for those who think everything in life should be that much harder and Gravel cycling is more adventure sport that requires more time with your butt in the saddle than CX?
    Not exactly. The term Cyclocross gets used very loosely by the cycling industry. Not all cross bikes are race bikes, in fact most aren't. Example: Surly Cross Check. Huge tire clearance, extremely versatile, built strong, cult following, excellent at a lot of things but not a race bike.

    Likewise Gravel bikes also come in the form of race bikes, but again most aren't race specific.

    I agree having a cross sub forum and a gravel sub forum is redundant. They should all be part of the same conversation as they're extremely similar.
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    I've only skimmed the last few post on the thread, but it has occurred t me that there are two ways to approach the re-ordering of the sub forums. If you consider the features of the design, it makes sense to combine gravel bikes with 'cross bikes. The randonneuring gravel tour thing is contrary to what a 'cross race is. All-mountain bikes and enduro bikes could be in the same discussion on the product side, but closed course enduro racing and recreational trail riding as activities are a world apart. Either draw the lines around the gear or around the activities.

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    What are the chances the new owners can stop the onslaught of spam this place sees on the daily? Out of more than a dozen forums I visit often...this is the ONLY site that sees this much spam. And the other sites it's fairly rare to see any at all.
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    I think it would make sense to have a "racing" category with the various disciplines having subforums, or at least logical groupings.

    The bike sub category forums make less sense than activity related forums. Because the product subcategories have always been pretty vague.
    Quote Originally Posted by MOJO K View Post
    I've only skimmed the last few post on the thread, but it has occurred t me that there are two ways to approach the re-ordering of the sub forums. If you consider the features of the design, it makes sense to combine gravel bikes with 'cross bikes. The randonneuring gravel tour thing is contrary to what a 'cross race is. All-mountain bikes and enduro bikes could be in the same discussion on the product side, but closed course enduro racing and recreational trail riding as activities are a world apart. Either draw the lines around the gear or around the activities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott O View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    I think it would make sense to have a "racing" category with the various disciplines having subforums, or at least logical groupings.

    The bike sub category forums make less sense than activity related forums. Because the product subcategories have always been pretty vague.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    What are the chances the new owners can stop the onslaught of spam this place sees on the daily? Out of more than a dozen forums I visit often...this is the ONLY site that sees this much spam. And the other sites it's fairly rare to see any at all.
    And go on a sodium free diet? I’m afraid this would be a drastic change and a shock to our system. Maybe best to ease us into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowpoker View Post
    Apparently, no one is going to put a stop to the Korean spam attacks. They are beating down passion, being the 1st forum on the board. Can we just make a new subforum above passion, at the top of the list, for them to attack? Just call the damn thing “Korean Spam”.
    I am looking into this. The attack last night was clearly a bot or twelve. We have not even moved the site onto our own servers yet so major changes I want to make (you will not ever notice) to the site are delayed.

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    Nope. Annoying AF. All this talk of fixing things and yet even this simple thing they haven’t stopped.
    I did just get here, gimmie a little time.

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    On the contrary, google will down rank you for having too much spam on a site.

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    I wouldn't be surprised if the new owners started cleaning up the back end of the site, and disabled some plugin or such that did reduce the spam in the past. 'cause I haven't seen spam attacks this bad in quite some time.
    Not made any changes to the site yet. I have a list drafted up with plugins I need to add to help this situation.

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    Holy crap! Yesterday when we were bich-n & moaning about it, it was only 3/4 of the front page. Now it’s the entire 1st page, 2nd page and half of the 3rd page.
    This was a bot attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    What are the chances the new owners can stop the onslaught of spam this place sees on the daily? Out of more than a dozen forums I visit often...this is the ONLY site that sees this much spam. And the other sites it's fairly rare to see any at all.
    I am looking into this. There are a number of plugins that I am planning to install here as soon as we get the site cut over to our servers.

    Quote Originally Posted by MOJO K View Post
    If they could split the current set-up of the forums between product/consumer content and activity/experience content, I'm curious what the numbers would show about how the site gets used based on the traffic.
    I would be curious to see this too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    And go on a sodium free diet? I’m afraid this would be a drastic change and a shock to our system. Maybe best to ease us into it.
    Yeah...I mean they can start by limiting it to only 100 spam threads a day and slowly reduce it from there. Wean us off the spam nice and slow. I'd hate to see anyone get sick from spam withdrawal.
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    MTBRadmin, least night I was frustrated and I took matters into my own hands, was this the wrong way to go about dealing with spam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    MTBRadmin, least night I was frustrated and I took matters into my own hands, was this the wrong way to go about dealing with spam?

    http://forums.mtbr.com/off-camber-of...l#post13729072
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Pig View Post
    Maybe the site has been bought by the spammers?
    Uh oh....
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    I would be curious to see this too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
    shimano 12 speed discussions have been getting killed ? are you serious ?

    holy moly if this is true.

    New Shimano XTR 12-speed: What you need to know - Mountain Bike Review- Mtbr.com

    Pretty cool. They also offer a 10-45t 11-speed cassette that's compatible with the 12-speed XTR derailleur and hub. So now 8-10 and 11-12 are compatible with each other. The article said at this time there is no Shimano wheel (rim) for 12-speeds but DT Swiss is making one, I'm sure others will follow. But for the conversion, with the rear wheel, I'm sure it's going to be a lot of money right, like over $600? Around twice as much as a 10-speed conversion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by j102 View Post
    Gravel riding is a category that is growing. Be it on a hardtail, a cyclocross or a dedicated gravel bike, but is growing for several reasons.
    The Gravel Bike forum should stay.
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    I don't understand why not just ignore a forum you don't like. i.e. I don't visit the Clydesdale forum because I have little to contribute at 5'11" and 160lbs.

    I don't commute so I don't visit that forum.

    I don't have a whole a lot to contribute, period! but I just participate in forums of my choice.

    I do follow some forums just to learn, like the bikepacking forum or the vintage forum.

    I would go nuts if I followed everything on this site.

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    ...yawn...I'm sleepy...


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    Quote Originally Posted by net wurker View Post
    Maybe check with Imgur and see what it is about MTBR that pissed them off.

    Something happened here and they quit letting photo embeds from there work here about a year ago.
    Ditto! Pictures from IMGUR are hit and miss, sometimes even a link doesn’t work. Only method that seems consistent is copying the link and posting it to your browser to see the image on their site.

    Definitely keep eMTB’s, geezzz... If haters can’t handle a forum they don’t like and can’t simply ignore it, that’s clearly their personal problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    Maybe you should actually read the ebike threads before posting your "sprinkles". If you did, you'd find very little mention of "cheating". I also haven't seen a lot of mention of Strava time and ebikes destroying anyone's time. You also won't find much mention of trails that HAVE been shut down, just fears of it happening.

    Most discussion is if electric bicycles are just an advance in bicycles or if they are no longer bicycles due to having a motor. And if ebikes should just get automatic access to all mountain bike trails or if the land manager should decide if they are given access or not. A lot of the bicyclist are fine with ebikes on the road and think they should have some access but that ebikers need to form their own advocacy groups and not just try to gain access as mountain bikers. Many of the mountain bikers point out that on most trails, there is no one to check that an ebike is an unmodified class 1 ebike and thus if access is given to class 1 ebikes, it is effectively giving access to all ebikes.

    I agree completely with #4. But since this is a commercial site, I'm sure the bean counters would prefer to have the traffic than give the forum the boot.

    Much of the bad stuff about e-bikes on here is actually on other forums, where people feel more free to bash on them I guess. I still don't understand the access problem. Very, very few trails around here have all bikes banned, and most of those trails you would not want to bike on anyway, too narrow/steep, etc. So e-bikes for the most part do have access, and a gazillion people on here including you don't want them to be considered in the same category as mountain bikes, and to ride the same trails, even if the e-bike is a mountain bike that happens to have a motor and battery. So that goes back to (1), you think, consciously or not, that e-bikes are either a corruption and/or are inferior to pedal bikes. I just don't see any other reason for segregating them away from pedal bikes.

    Now the real question is, if in an alternate universe, where e-bikes never broke any rules and shut any trails down, would you still want to treat them as a completely separate biking class, and not group them at all into mountain bikes. Because if you look at it purely from a component perspective, an e-mountain bike shares way more with a pedal mountain bike than with a gravel bike, cyclocross bike, rigid singlespeed, dirtjumper, etc., and yet there is 100x more clamor to get e-bikes off the site than those bikes. From a shared component perspective it's not rational; there is an emotional, tribal instinct to the e-bike antipathy. There is a threat to pedal bikes from them that there is not from the other 'innocent' bikes mentioned above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richj8990 View Post
    Much of the bad stuff about e-bikes on here is actually on other forums, where people feel more free to bash on them I guess. I still don't understand the access problem. Very, very few trails around here have all bikes banned, and most of those trails you would not want to bike on anyway, too narrow/steep, etc. So e-bikes for the most part do have access, and a gazillion people on here including you don't want them to be considered in the same category as mountain bikes, and to ride the same trails, even if the e-bike is a mountain bike that happens to have a motor and battery. So that goes back to (1), you think, consciously or not, that e-bikes are either a corruption and/or are inferior to pedal bikes. I just don't see any other reason for segregating them away from pedal bikes.

    Now the real question is, if in an alternate universe, where e-bikes never broke any rules and shut any trails down, would you still want to treat them as a completely separate biking class, and not group them at all into mountain bikes. Because if you look at it purely from a component perspective, an e-mountain bike shares way more with a pedal mountain bike than with a gravel bike, cyclocross bike, rigid singlespeed, dirtjumper, etc., and yet there is 100x more clamor to get e-bikes off the site than those bikes. From a shared component perspective it's not rational; there is an emotional, tribal instinct to the e-bike antipathy. There is a threat to pedal bikes from them that there is not from the other 'innocent' bikes mentioned above.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jcd46 View Post
    I don't understand why not just ignore a forum you don't like. i.e. I don't visit the Clydesdale forum because I have little to contribute at 5'11" and 160lbs.

    I don't commute so I don't visit that forum.

    I don't have a whole a lot to contribute, period! but I just participate in forums of my choice.

    I do follow some forums just to learn, like the bikepacking forum or the vintage forum.

    I would go nuts if I followed everything on this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcd46 View Post
    I don't understand why not just ignore a forum you don't like. i.e. I don't visit the Clydesdale forum because I have little to contribute at 5'11" and 160lbs.

    I don't commute so I don't visit that forum.

    I don't have a whole a lot to contribute, period! but I just participate in forums of my choice.

    I do follow some forums just to learn, like the bikepacking forum or the vintage forum.

    I would go nuts if I followed everything on this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBRadmin View Post
    Do some of you just want a user group you can join that just hides the ebike forum from your view?
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    That would be nice if it would work. The ebike spew winds up everywhere now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBRadmin View Post
    Do some of you just want a user group you can join that just hides the ebike forum from your view?
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    Somewhat related, we need something in tapatalk that shows the sub forums. When someone posts on the women’s lounge it needs to be clear it’s there and not anywhere else.

    That sub forum has some different rules since it’s supposed to be a more understanding place for the female rider to post but it ends up on tapatalk on the front so everyone and their brother replies, which defeats its purpose.
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    That would be nice if it would work. The ebike spew winds up everywhere now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stripes View Post
    Somewhat related, we need something in tapatalk that shows the sub forums. When someone posts on the women’s lounge it needs to be clear it’s there and not anywhere else.

    That sub forum has some different rules since it’s supposed to be a more understanding place for the female rider to post but it ends up on tapatalk on the front so everyone and their brother replies, which defeats its purpose.
    This is a problem related to tapatalk not being owned or operated by us. They are a third party and because of this we are limited to what custom we can do with tapatalk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richj8990 View Post
    Very, very few trails around here have all bikes banned, and most of those trails you would not want to bike on anyway, too narrow/steep, etc. So e-bikes for the most part do have access'
    #1. What you apparently fail to understand is that there are many riders that seek out very narrow and steep “hiking” trails because they are really fun and because that’s what we started riding on long before purpose built riding/multi-use trails came to be. In other words, what you consider “too narrow/steep” is easily rideable for many non-beginners.

    #2. You are also wrong when you claim motor bicycles “for the most part do have access.” The fact is that motor bicycles are banned by many land managers. Your claims about your local area don’t reflect the truth on the ground in many jurisdictions across the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    So, Philip. Have you ever seen a grown man naked?


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    Quote Originally Posted by singletrackmack View Post
    Getting rid of the ebike forum could reduce potential user hits for this site, so wouldn’t make any sense to get rid of it.... unfortunately

    But, how about moving the ebike forum out from under the “Classic Mountain Bike” subforum and creating a new subforum just for ebikes like the “regional bike trails” and “mtb manufactures forums” have?

    That way there could be specific sub forums under ebike forum like; factory built ebikes, diy ebikes, ebike specific components, ebike accessories, great legal ebike trails, ebike advocacy, ebike tuning, class 1 & 2, class 3, ebikes for ohv only, batteries & chargers, ebike motors, ebike programming and controllers, ebike computers, etc.
    Good point.
    This and other's that could be "rearranged" might bring some peace.

    I believe a lot of the griping about any forums that are thought to be useless or not of MTBR topic/caliber is likely just b!tching because people run into them by accident when they are not located in a more intuitive area.
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    The ebike controversy is because that use is a threat to what is core to our sport. Trail surface condition and the respect for trails.
    Ebikes belong with electric motorcycles. In their forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eb1888 View Post
    The ebike controversy is because that use is a threat to what is core to our sport. Trail surface condition and the respect for trails.
    Ebikes belong with electric motorcycles. In their forums.



    Golf clap. Only the dishonest or willfully ignorant will not acknowledge that motors are, will be and always have been the line of demarcation, one in which many working and access agreements have been based on. The rush to acceptance pushed by the less than honest industry put much access at risk and I find it hypocritical that a "mountain bike" centric site cant see that or chooses to ignore it in the quest for a few dollars.
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    1) Keep the ebike forum strong!, we ARE current and former MTBRS btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutch View Post
    1) Keep the ebike forum strong!, we ARE current and former MTBRS btw who really want a separate site rather than being on a bicycle site.
    2) IPhone continually “freezes” when typing.
    Finished it for you since your iPhone obviously froze when typing there, Gutch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by life behind bars View Post
    Golf clap. Only the dishonest or willfully ignorant will not acknowledge that motors are, will be and always have been the line of demarcation, one in which many working and access agreements have been based on. The rush to acceptance pushed by the less than honest industry put much access at risk and I find it hypocritical that a "mountain bike" centric site cant see that or chooses to ignore it in the quest for a few dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutch View Post
    Keep the ebike forum strong!, we ARE current and former MTBRS btw.
    It's good that you differentiate between riding a mountain bike and riding an eBike at least.

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