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    And so it begins!

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    oooohhhhhhh. glad to see you went with the truss fork. it'll be a thing of beauty. any other details you care to divulge?
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    man than Jonsie likes to torture people with pics. Better it just shows up on your doorstep a year later.

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    That should be my bike! You owe me a beer man. I gave up my place in line for you...
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    For a moment I thought you bought an Anvil jig. I think those things are cooler than a Jones frame...

    Nice tools to make nice frames...NICE

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_dude
    oooohhhhhhh. glad to see you went with the truss fork. it'll be a thing of beauty. any other details you care to divulge?
    I'll get the story and some preliminary details out soon. I've been waiting for this day 15 months now.


    Bryce, yes...I will gladly oblige, amigo. Thanks!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
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    Ooooh, nice frame fixture! I wonder where he got that?.....
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    Finally, that cat is out of the bag... I guess a few people here have been sworn to secrecy like me. I keep getting random pics of of JJ bikes in my email for months now..........you are such a tease Aqua.

    Enjoy the final wait!
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    - A friend of mine just got one of those............................................. ...Anvil jigs that is

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    Find my bike

    Somewhere in this pile of Ti Tubes, my future steed hides.
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    I was more impressed with the jig...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Bryce, yes...I will gladly oblige, amigo. Thanks!
    Well, I don't think that I could have given it up to a more worthy person. Jeff told me about your rides together. He said that he was quite impressed.

    Besides, I am going to wait for the telescoping chainstays...

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    I like the pile of ti shavings in the corner. Melt it down and you've got a bike right there.

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    I tried to sell him hard on the truss fork while he was up here in the Michigan woods. I thought he wasn't listening...
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    I’m so jealous. I want the same thing 29”, truss fork, and abuse ready.
    Did Jeff just call or email it was your turn?
    I’ve been waiting about 10 months now and have no idea how much longer it will take to make it to the top of the list.
    I have to imagine a lot of folks are waiting that wont be able to make it happen financially when their time comes.
    I have a regimented Jones savings plan going, it’s been hard to stay out of, especially when MC put that Behemoth up for sale earlier this week.

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    Good Choice

    I'm glad to see you found a suitable replacement for the Frankenbike....or has there been one in between? I enjoyed visiting Jeff in his shop and riding one of his bikes just a bit in June. I was still coming off the broken ankle and did not venture out onto serious trails with him. Seeing the drop you did there, assures me I made the right choice. I had Jeff put me on his list too, If I'm still a poor mechanic when my time comes I hope I can afford to follow through with the bike.

    If not, I wonder what I can sell my spot on the list for on ebay
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    More pics

    You guys want to see the pics from my ride with JJ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    You guys want to see the pics from my ride with JJ?
    Yes please. And I heard you had a whole write-up about your ride too...
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    Weekend at JJ's (Oregon)

    Here's part one: This is taken from an email correspondence:








    Saturday.



    So, after getting settled in on friday with the rental car and hotel I grabbed some dinner and hit the sack early. I didn't sleep much as I was so excited to finally meet and ride with Jeff.

    A short 15 minute drive into the forest outside of Medford and I pulled up at JJ's place.
    This must be the place!

    This is Marley.And.......Sheilah. (Jeff's daughter and wife)

    Gnarly Marley takes flight!

    Marley really likes dinosaurs.

    So, with the skies dark and threatening, we head out. Our ride today will be on a heavily forested trail. There's a bit of fireroad climbing, but once on the dirt, I am amazed at the beauty of this place! Lot's of Redwoods and Pines. It is so lush and green here. Such a stark contrast to the sunbaked, martian-like terrain that I have in San Diego.


    JJ was a bit under the weather, but still was able to muster up enough energy to play tour guide. It rained lightly on us off and on throughout the day.
    Saturday, I would spend the entire ride on the 26 inch version of his vertically compliant bike. This bike also had the Truss fork. My primary goal of this trip was to determine if I could deal with a rigid front end.
    The single track was stunning here. Lots of tight switchbacks with a bed of decomposed organic material topped with a coating of Pine needles. Unreal traction!

    JJ playing on a boulder section. These rocks were wet.

    JJ, clearing the gap on this slick, wet bridge. They remove sections of the bridges to keep the motorcycles off the trails.
    JJ, eyes up a stump. It was very slick and slippery!

    After we finished our ride, JJ demonstrates his otherworldly trials skills. No -handed wheelie! The man is amazing!

    Nose hopping!


    After the ride, we returned to base camp (JJ's house). JJ cooked us up some organic pizza breads. They were quite tasty.


    What a day! Afterwards, I headed back to my hotel and cleaned up. I then drove into Ashland for dinner, Ashland is about 10 miles away, It is a destination spot for the Shakespeare crowd. A very nice, scenic, artsy, place.
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    Sunday pics (Mt. Ashland)

    Sunday's ride at Mt. Ashland.

    Again, taken from an email:

    Sunday, the clouds parted and we were greeted with an awesome sunny morning. Jeff's health had deteriorated and I could see that he was digging deep for all the strength he could for this ride. "I'm not having you come up all this way and not ride".

    Not up for climbing today, JJ decided it best to shuttle up to the Top of Mt. Ashland ski resort. After leaving the JJ van back in the town of Ashland, we threw the bikes in my rental car and headed up to the top 6000+ feet.
    The shuttle vehicle. Reassembling the bikes.

    Today, I would be doing the entire ride on JJ's personal 29er.

    This would allow me a good back to back comparison of his two bikes.

    Right off the bat, I could tell this would be a completely different type of ride then the one we did on saturday. I asked for chunk and JJ delivered. After leaving the top we sliced and diced through some amazing high speed alpine mountain singletrack. The dirt once again was blowing my mind. It was the consistency of coffee grounds. There were traces of snow at the top.

    This bike was totally a different ride than the one I rode on saturday.

    When we arrived at this first stunt, I watched JJ session it a few times. I felt a lump in my throat as JJ says "Your turn". I turned around to pedal up for a run in, and noticed that the chain was missing on my bike. "I think we have a small problem".

    I thought that I had felt something hit me in the leg a long way up, near the start of our run, but I thought it was a stick.

    While JJ napped, I hiked (and hiked), back up the trail looking for the chain. Talk about looking for a needle in a haystack. Finally after hiking back up a 1/2 mile or so..I found it! the power link had let go.

    Back at the boulders, we reasembled the chain with a spare link and I tried a few runs at this stunt. But, I wasn't really feeling the bike yet, and I aborted my attempt.

    So, we took off again and this trail starts to rail! Fast swoopy and flowy.....dotted with log jumps and nice rock gardens. I was really starting to get the feel for the big wheels. What a contrast to the 26" bike I rode the day prior. It stuck like glue in the fast corners and switches. Hard braking produced no front wheel slippage and I was really started to understand this bike. Now, I felt confident enough to fly this thing, and just let it all hang out. The rigid Truss fork up front was surprising in that it made things so totally predictable when coming into a corner really hot. There is no brake dive that you experience with a suspension fork. Same thing when entering a chunk filled, rock garden...point the front wheel and things are just predictable. The big hoops just roll over dips that would swallow a 26" wheel and they definetly smooth out the chunk.

    I had to look down repeatedly, to remind myself that there was really a rigid front end on this bike! Another thing about this bike is that the rear seat stays are really squished and the arcing is really exagerated. This along with the 29 inch wheels provides a ride that was in stark contrast to the 26" wheeled bike I rode the day before.

    Unbelievable velcro dirt!

    JJ dropping the steeps.

    It's too bad that these shots are so blurred. The lighting wasn't the best this weekend. That, and my camera skills suck!

    "That dude's an a full rigid bike, Man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

    It was amusing watching these grommet's reaction to Jeff's antics. JJ was putting on a clinic! I should have gotten a picture of their faces.

    Steeper than it looks.

    This was an interesting log ride about 6 feet off the ground that ended with about a 10 foot huck.

    JJ on the rocks. Ultra smooth. I cleaned this on my second attempt. The 29er felt amazing in this section! We're now riding on a trail that is used for sanctioned down hill races. Staying close to JJ though the high speed stuff I was in awe as I watched him get huge air off of waterbars and wall rides. I need to come back with a helmet cam and capture JJ in action. Words don't describe how fast and fluid he rides!

    Towards the end of our ride JJ took me to this stunt filled playground. By this time I felt totally comfortable with the bike. I knew how it reacted on steep rollers as well how it felt to fly it through the air.

    As usual.....way steeper than pictures can convey.

    All too soon the ride came to an end back in Ashland. I was grinning ear to ear like a Cheshire cat. That was one ride I'll never forget. It really delived. I was, however, bummed that it was over. I have it burned into the VCR player of my mind.

    JJ's bike blew my mind! I begged him to just wrap it up and let me take it home with me. The Truss fork and 29 inch wheels are without a doubt the way I want to go on my bike. I basically just asked JJ to duplicate what he has done with this bike on my build.

    Back to JJ's house we feasted on some homemade organic pizza that Sheila and the kids whipped up. I was very sad that my weekend was about to end. I had a great time hanging with JJ and his family. They are such awesome, warm people.

    Marley drew me a picture as a parting gift, and Sheila packed me some homemade chocolate cookies.

    Back to reality.


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    Count yourself very lucky...

    I know I would feel that way, to ride with JJ on his own bike like you did.


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    Holy sh!t, JJ is my new hero. Not only is he an artist, he is a sick rider! I had the same reaction to 29" wheels the first time I rode them too. There was no going back to 26" for me.

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    Incredibly cool to say the least.

    How much are you gonna pay for the frame and fork?
    (or am I not supposed to ask?)

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    Dude!

    You need at least 5" fs to do that sick stuff!

    You so lucky!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Incredibly cool to say the least.

    How much are you gonna pay for the frame and fork?
    (or am I not supposed to ask?)

    Know anybody who wants to buy a kidney?
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    WOW! It looks like it was inspired by the MagicMotorcycle-Cannondale prototype!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic

    Know anybody who wants to buy a kidney?

    Know anybody who wants to buy 2!?!

    But seriously, really, come on, how much?

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    This pic is freaking me out. How'd it go for you? I'm getting an urge to drive down there and try it.
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    un-f-ng believable photos. After this post it will take a couple of years of waiting to get one. I guess my question/ post on the Homer side about his warranty is answered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    This pic is freaking me out. How'd it go for you? I'm getting an urge to drive down there and try it.


    Here's a couple more for ya, Nat. This little "playground" area was at the end of the ride at Mt. Ashland (sunday). I was bummed when JJ told me we were almost done with our descent. But, we played on these boulders for awhile and I gotta say....as usual pictures flatten stuff out. These were way steeper than these shots convey.

    Nonetheless, I felt totally comfortable flying and rolling the bike.

    "C'mon JJ...just wrap it up right now, I'll take it!"

    MovingMountain: It's funny that you mention that. JJ knows that I tend to snap bikes in two. So he is doing some special things for me on my build. For instance, he's going to go with bigger tubes on the seat stays and downtube(I think),and the curved top tube will be slightly thicker as well. The HT will be 20mm taller and that will provide addional strength for the frame. The truss will have a slightly thicker tubeset as well. And, we're going to run an additional crossbrace fore and aft of the seattube.

    JJ: "I can't afford to have you break my frame". These things take way to long to make".



    PS Sorry for the Sh1tty pics...my camera skillz suck.
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    cool

    Way coool pics man !
    I'm jealous Steve I have to wait for several years or so, but if it's worth the wait .....

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    You got mad skilz!

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    So, I just got off the phone with JJ....we went over the parts list and discussed the final geometry,and some detail stuff. Basically, I told him I don't care how the bike rides as long as we get the bottle opener in the right place.

    He's got the tubing, ready to begin cutting and forming.


    He wanted to point out that sometimes he gets people giving him a hard time about the stuff he does on his full rigid bikes,(Like flinging it off of boulders). "Well sure Jeff, you can do that stuff because you're a freak!" So, he says that it warmed his heart to see me abusing, err....I mean flying his bike.

    When we first starting talking about this 15 months ago, I had virtually no experience on a hardtail, Singlespeed, or even 29" wheels.

    I have been riding a 5" travel squish bike, primarily, for the last 5 years....so I really had no frame(pun intended), of reference for any of this hardtail, 29" wheeled stuff.

    BTW, When I committed to this project, I was dead set on going with 26" wheels. I even started gathering the various bits like fork, wheels, and handlebar, etc. I just wanted to get a head start on the build, even though it was more than a year off. I figured that it would help me defray the cost of the build. Well, at least spread it out.

    But, that plan got thrown out the window, when I decided to go with the big wheels and Truss fork.

    This last summer when I went home to visit my parents in Ann Arbor, I got a chance to ride Bob D's Jones and also ride with RobW, who owns that pimped out Dean 29er with Rolhoff hub.

    Spending time on both of these bikes convinced me that the big hoops were the way I wanted to go. It was BobD's idea for me to go visit and ride with Jeff to make sure that this was the right call for me and also to check out the Truss fork.

    This is a shot of me riding BobD's Jones back in Michigan (July). There's also shots of BobD and RobW as well.
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    If i remember correctly I tried convincing you too... But, it definitely takes some saddle time and then you will be hooked on the big hoops. Especially, I am sure, after riding Jeff's personal 26"er and 29"er back to back. I might just have Jeff build mine after he is done with yours... All of this is just killing me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoman711
    If i remember correctly I tried convincing you too... But, it definitely takes some saddle time and then you will be hooked on the big hoops. Especially, I am sure, after riding Jeff's personal 26"er and 29"er back to back. I might just have Jeff build mine after he is done with yours... All of this is just killing me.

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    Bryce:

    Yes, I do remember you trying to convince me, and I was having no part of it.

    Man, I gotta tell you that I was on pins and needles when I caught wind that you were wavering on whether to commit or not. I've got to say that I think you are nuts. But I am grateful that you are nuts.

    You should change your handle to "Runaway Bride".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Bryce:

    Yes, I do remember you trying to convince me, and I was having no part of it.

    Man, I gotta tell you that I was on pins and needles when I caught wind that you were wavering on whether to commit or not. I've got to say that I think you are nuts. But I am grateful that you are nuts.

    You should change your handle to "Runaway Bride".
    I am no longer wavering. I am 100% committed (or is that commitable?). I talked it over with the S.O. and all is cool. I am going the same route as you. Basically Jeff's prototype with an EBB instead of the telescoping CS.
    "Whereas Motoman's bike looks like an industrial, TinkerToy experiment gone horribly wrong." - Aquaholic

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    Good call!

    Quote Originally Posted by motoman711
    I am no longer wavering. I am 100% committed (or is that commitable?). I talked it over with the S.O. and all is cool. I am going the same route as you. Basically Jeff's prototype with an EBB instead of the telescoping CS.

    I was hung up on the telescoping CS as well. I pressed JJ a few times on it and he's just not ready to release it. It really needs long term testing to determine if there are bugs to work out.


    The big issue right now with the sliding CS is that he doesn't have the range of adjustment that he feels comfortable with to accomodate various gear ratios.

    The benefits of the EBB over the sliding CS for my build :

    1. The larger surface area of the BB shell gives him more room to work with as far as joining the seat and down tube. This will be a factor because he's going to use a bigger diameter downtube on mine. The net result will be a stronger frame.

    2. I will be able to adjust my BB height.

    3. I'll be able to run any gear ratio as a SS.

    4. The EBB is time tested and proven.

    Anyway, these bikes are like computers. I can sit around and wait for the next wild idea that pops into JJ's head and then wait some more, for him to deem it usable. In the meantime, more time passes me by, when I can be enjoying this piece of artwork on the dirt.

    You and I have been waiting almost the same amount of time. The waiting is excruciating enough as it is. I have to laugh when I hear of others complaining of waiting 1 -2 months for their custom bikes
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    I'm totally lusting after this.
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    Well, well, well...

    Dude! That's awesome!
    I'm really excited that you're getting this, but a bit hurt that you never mentioned anything. You know I still have pics of you in a skirt...
    Congrats, and welcome to the wonderful world of big wheels.
    Oh, and do you realize that the Jones will be worth the cumulative amount of the rest of the bikes on the Thursday night SS ride?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sslos
    Dude! That's awesome!
    I'm really excited that you're getting this, but a bit hurt that you never mentioned anything. You know I still have pics of you in a skirt...
    Congrats, and welcome to the wonderful world of big wheels.
    Oh, and do you realize that the Jones will be worth the cumulative amount of the rest of the bikes on the Thursday night SS ride?!?

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    I know, it was killing me not being able to tell you about my little project. It's so funny...everytime I would strike up a conversation with you big wheeled, hardtailed, or SS peeps... I would mention that I'm getting a Ti Hardtail. You guys would always inquire:

    "OK, so what builders are you looking at?" I'd always respond with a vague "Ohhh, you know, the usual suspects". Or, "I dunno, who do you recommend?"


    So after a year and a half of this, and still no one pressed me on the subject. It was pretty funny.

    My plan was just to show up at the trailhead with it one day. But, after my trip to Oregon, I had to share the pics and story. I couldn't hold out any longer.


    How's Texas treating ya?


    UNO-Speedo, here's a few more shots of BobD's lusty creation. Pics don't do this bike justice!
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    This is turning out to be one of the coolest bike-geek threads in a long time, Steve. A+ on the composition skilz, not to mention that crazy **** you ride!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    a few more shots of BobD's lusty creation. Pics don't do this bike justice!
    Holy foo, I think that's the most aesthetically pleasing Jones I've seen. I like the straight twin top tubes. I'm not a huge fan of the bowed TT as seen on his Interbike show bike. This one though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Holy foo, I think that's the most aesthetically pleasing Jones I've seen. I like the straight twin top tubes. I'm not a huge fan of the bowed TT as seen on his Interbike show bike. This one though...
    The straight tube frames are more "hardtail" and the curved tube "softtail".

    I think Jeff will still build the former. Easier to make, too.
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    Wanna see something wild?

    Czech this out. For awhile this was the plan. I even had JJ talked into going along with it.


    Pretty trippy, eh?
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    Sacreligious!

    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Wanna see something wild?

    Czech this out. For awhile this was the plan. I even had JJ talked into going along with it.


    Pretty trippy, eh?
    That is just wrong man. The Truss fork is a thing of beauty.

    Yep, Jeff will still build the straight tubed frame. It costs less too because it takes a lot less tube manipulation. You actually get a more laterally rigid frame that way. But, it gives up the smooth ness of the compliant frame (obviously).

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    Maybe the straight-tubed frame reminds me of the Torker bmx that I used to lust after as a young-un?
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    sweet Nat! that was my main ride as a punk kid....versus my rides now as a punk adult

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    Hello Aqua and RobW!

    Hey Aqua and RobW!

    So cool seeing pictures of my bike on mtbr courtesy of Steve!! Sometime in the future I'd like to try it on the trails out SD way. Or at least do some SD State campus riding. After all we got to do UM North Campus and that was pretty fun. And RobW it was a blast riding Highland trail with you and Steve.

    For everyone - I got the chance to ride with Aqua this Summer a few times and RobW once. Aqua brought his Turner full sus bike Huffspot with DUC front end, and RobW had this cool Dean with Speedhub. It was a great time, and a lot of fun swapping bikes. Rob the Speedhub is real nice, and Steve so is the sram drivetrain, but I found I could only use 1 gear!!! I got another chance to ride poto with Steve, and it was great fun to watch him fly my Jones bike off every little bump he could find.

    My bike with the straight tubes is a smoother bike than the 26 Ti Yo Eddy it replaces. It could be the bigger wheels, more exposed seat tube, who knows? It is a good all day machine tho. The credit goes to Jeff and the bike before mine, a 26er for and Englishman named Biff. I got to see Biffs bike and meet him briefly at SSWC. Imagine that, there were 3 Jones bikes there!!

    Now I feel like going out riding........

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    Are you going with those lame handlebars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by r-kelly
    Are you going with those lame handlebars?
    Shut it, Stewie! I can't wait till the day your ride this thing and go, "Man these bars are the SH*T!!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Shut it, Stewie! I can't wait till the day your ride this thing and go, "Man these bars are the SH*T!!!"

    Dude. Did you see "Revenge of the Nerds?" Do you remember Lamar (the Flaming gay black guy). Well, those look like the bars he would have on his bike.

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    Aquaholic!

    Major, MAJOR props to you man. You must be a pretty freaking smooth rider. I was up there earlier this year and couldn't bring myself to do that drop (didn't want to break the stumpy, was my excuse). And here I see a dude doing it on a fully rigid. Awesome.

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    Why does this gallery of Jones bikes in rider's hand disturb me mor than then 18yo kids in the Ferrari's dad just got them? A Jones bike is just like a huge richdom. More bling to me than a sportscar or racemotorbike. Wonderful. Shear power, materialized fun. Want to ride one today, although then no other bike will satisfy me anymore, probably...

    If form follows function, with theat sideshot of Jeff's 29" bikes looking just like a supermodel spreading up all just for you...hard to imagine about the ride....

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    Embryonic stage

    "It's been raining up here, so instead of riding, I thought I'd get started on your frame".

    Like an embyro taking shape.


    I hope it continues to rain!
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    I like the tool that seems to visualize tire clearance with 24, 26 or 29x2.5" tires.
    Man does building a Ti bike seem like something that takes utter patience! The way that tube looks after being cut to size...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    "It's been raining up here, so instead of riding, I thought I'd get started on your frame".

    Like an embyro taking shape.


    I hope it continues to rain!
    I just wanted to hear the tone of your voice when you called Jeff and he was already talking to me... We finalized alot of the details of my frame... TASTY!
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoman711
    I just wanted to hear the tone of your voice when you called Jeff and he was already talking to me... We finalized alot of the details of my frame... TASTY!

    "Well, yeah Steve, I'd like to get some work done on you're frame but, Bryce keeps ringing me".

    Put down the phone!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    "Well, yeah Steve, I'd like to get some work done on you're frame but, Bryce keeps ringing me".

    Put down the phone!!!!
    Hey, he called me... Your frame is looking good. Is he running the set screws pointing towards the rear wheel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoman711
    Hey, he called me... Your frame is looking good. Is he running the set screws pointing towards the rear wheel?
    Yeah sure. If you were really my friend you would say, " Now JJ, I would feel terrible if Steve's build was delayed, cause of me.... so BUH BYE".


    Top, and rearward facing set screws were deciding upon because of this...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Yeah sure. If you were really my friend you would say, " Now JJ, I would feel terrible if Steve's build was delayed, cause of me.... so BUH BYE".


    Top, and rearward facing set screws were deciding upon because of this...........
    OK, that makes sense. Now how do you explain away the misaligned down tube?
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    Them some cool fvcking bikes!

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Wanna see something wild?

    Czech this out. For awhile this was the plan. I even had JJ talked into going along with it.


    Pretty trippy, eh?
    I really like the "two" tires up front, prototype Maverick - Jones. A kind of Titanium SS hardtail long nosed tricycle thingamajiggy.

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Wanna see something wild?

    Czech this out. For awhile this was the plan. I even had JJ talked into going along with it.


    Pretty trippy, eh?
    I really like the "two" tires up front on the Prototype Maverick - Jones ride. A kind of Titanium SS hardtail long nosed tricycle thingamajiggy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smudge
    OK, that makes sense. Now how do you explain away the misaligned down tube?
    That is just the first down tube. Wait until all three are on there.


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    Aquaholic: That is the best bike porn I have ever seen.

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    Put some muscle into it, JJ!

    More progress to report. Seat stays are now taking shape. He also has the mitered seat tube ready to mock up. We have a unique way that we're going to do the seat tube....stay tuned!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    More progress to report. Seat stays are now taking shape. He also has the mitered seat tube ready to mock up. We have a unique way that we're going to do the seat tube....stay tuned!
    Cool, keep 'em coming.

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    Snow Bound

    JJ took a break today from fabbing my bike and decided to go for a ride.

    He didn't get very far as you can see. Good thing I didn't wait until now to go up and visit him. This is on the way to the trail that he took me on 1 month ago!


    Time to design a Jones with those fatty wheels. Jonesly?
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    Wow - that pic flat out blows my mind...

    It was 85deg and sunny today here in TN...went on a quick 13 mile trail ride to take advantage of the weather...

    The snow is cool though...

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    Does Jeff always supply this many progress pics, or are you just special Aquaman? Did you two share some sort of "deliverance" bond up there in the woods?

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    truss fork ride

    is there anyway to describe how the 29er truss fork rides?

    All these pictures and I may have to get in line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-Funk
    Does Jeff always supply this many progress pics, or are you just special Aquaman? Did you two share some sort of "deliverance" bond up there in the woods?
    Jeff sends lots of photos. Here's a picture of my frame tubes in a bag before putting in the frame fixture. I like this one!

    My frame was the one before Aquaholic's. Should be almost ready to ship over to England now. Can't wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    We have a unique way that we're going to do the seat tube....stay tuned!
    Interesting...
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    Man, this thread just kicks fockin' ass. This deserves thread of the year for sure. Keep it coming Aqua. I love seeing the whole process from birth to ride. You think you can keep this up for what?, 1-2 years? Dayum. Now you got me lusting for a Jones.

    I'm with you Nat, DonD's frame really does it for me. I'd happily jump on that and ride away giggling like a little girl.
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    Mini Blog?

    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~
    Man, this thread just kicks fockin' ass. This deserves thread of the year for sure. Keep it coming Aqua. I love seeing the whole process from birth to ride. You think you can keep this up for what?, 1-2 years? Dayum. Now you got me lusting for a Jones.
    Thanks, man! I am beyond stoked.

    What do you guys think? Should I just keep appending pics and story to this thread? I realize that some of you Luddites with dial up, may find it incredibly time consuming to load the thread.

    It is fun to be documenting the process. It's evolved into a mini blog of sorts. I look forward to the day when I can post some ride shots.

    Pacerider, I fondled your frame when I was at JJ's. Very nice!

    singlespeedwi: Lemmee think about that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Thanks, man! I am beyond stoked.

    What do you guys think? Should I just keep appending pics and story to this thread? I realize that some of you Luddites with dial up, may find it incredibly time consuming to load the thread.

    It is fun to be documenting the process. It's evolved into a mini blog of sorts. I look forward to the day when I can post some ride shots.

    Pacerider, I fondled your frame when I was at JJ's. Very nice!

    singlespeedwi: Lemmee think about that one.

    Aquaholic - definitely keep posting. Sharing is good.

    I hope the fondling gave you pleasure. I thought I would be the first! Jeff said my bike was the first 'normal' one he'd done. 26" wheels, 27 speeds, 100mm fork. Yours sounds decidely different. It will exceed your expectations I'm sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Thanks, man! I am beyond stoked.

    What do you guys think? Should I just keep appending pics and story to this thread? I realize that some of you Luddites with dial up, may find it incredibly time consuming to load the thread.

    It is fun to be documenting the process. It's evolved into a mini blog of sorts. I look forward to the day when I can post some ride shots.

    Pacerider, I fondled your frame when I was at JJ's. Very nice!

    singlespeedwi: Lemmee think about that one.
    I would definately keep documenting the story, but maybe an actual blog format would be better. That way we could read straight through w/o having to look at all the questions and responses and jive talk (like this reply). All that stuff would start showing up in the questions/comments sections of your daily blog posts. We could get Clox to sticky your blog to this forum.

    The format might just be a little more manageable that way.

    But yeah - definately keep us up to speed.

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    Yep. I'd direct you to starting up a full on blog. Its super easy: http://www.blogger.com/start
    It may take a bit of time to get it started, but like lanpope said, you'll save the bandwidth here, and you won't see the general banter we provide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    What do you guys think? Should I just keep appending pics and story to this thread? I realize that some of you Luddites with dial up, may find it incredibly time consuming to load the thread.
    One thing that would help is when you post a new pic, reply to your original post, that way the child threads are a little more organized and your pictures don't get buried in another child thread. Each of your pics will be at the top of it's own child thread.

    Very cool to watch. I'm "in the que" for a Curtlo with a El Capitan rear suspension, and I hope to post some build pics too. Might not be as chi chi as a Jones, but it's mine, and it's steel. Well, mostly.

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    More seat stay manipulation

    One good bend deserves another.


    Hey guys, Thanks for the 411 on the blog idea. I probably will go that route as there will be many more pics and the story is just getting started. My friend Termie has a blog arena on his website (Fooriders.com)
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    Please keep posting the pictures. I am in awe at the quality of the frame and the care taken to build this bike

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    Are you kidding me? You'd better keep posting the pics. Dial-up users be damned! (who's still on dial-up anyway? Didn't that go the way of rotary phones and beepers?)

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    Connection

    That is why I went to work early. The library has a t1 connection. Makes the pictures come up so much faster. And I can save them for future drooling while at work.

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    Hey wait...since they're two uninterrupted full-length tubes are they still "top tube(s)" and "seatstay(s)?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Hey wait...since they're two uninterrupted full-length tubes are they still "top tube(s)" and "seatstay(s)?"
    Maybe they are called 'topstays'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Hey wait...since they're two uninterrupted full-length tubes are they still "top tube(s)" and "seatstay(s)?"
    All of this fine bike porn is dangerous to many guy's marriages!

    As for the top/seat tubes, here's an example of Rabbit's version. Not exactly new (I had them on Haro's first freestyle bike back in '83), but they are still coolish. Jones is the undisputed mahsta though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by motoman711
    Maybe they are called 'topstays'
    or "twice-pipes?"

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    Rabbit? Who/where/when are they?

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    Wow, neat pics. I had a piece of pizza with Jeff once. He's a nice, thoughtful guy. I think his kids will grow up to be 'free spirits'!

    Keep posting the pics, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Rabbit? Who/where/when are they?
    Who: Rabbit Cycles
    Where: http://www.rabbitcycles.com
    When: NOW!

    The price is nearly the same for the Rabbit dual top tube as for a Jones fully compliant though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Rabbit? Who/where/when are they?
    They're a new (I think) Ti builder out of Northern Cal that displayed a few bikes at this year's Handmade Bicycle Show https://www.handmadebicycleshow.com/
    I don't know anything else about them, but their work looked good in person.

    https://www.rabbitcycles.com/

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    Hey All:

    I need some feedback here:

    Where do we stick the bottle opener? I'm not totally feeling it on the bottom of the chain stay, so I suggested we move it to the dropout.

    This is a huge decision, probably the one aspect of this build that I am losing sleep over.

    Please...your thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoman711
    ...The price is nearly the same for the Rabbit dual top tube as for a Jones fully compliant though.
    Have you priced a Jones?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Hey All:

    I need some feedback here:

    Where do we stick the bottle opener? I'm not totally feeling it on the bottom of the chain stay, so I suggested we move it to the dropout.

    This is a huge decision, probably the one aspect of this build that I am losing sleep over.

    Please...your thoughts?
    Easy. Your keychain. Bottle openers on frames are one thing you see a lot of and rarely, if ever, get used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    Easy. Your keychain. Bottle openers on frames are one thing you see a lot of and rarely, if ever, get used.
    agree... BUT have jeff make you a super custom keychain bottle opener.

    OR, you can have bottle cage bosses on there and bolt one of these on, they fit perfectly:
    they come labeld with all different things

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    I would keep it away from the disc rotor - Its just too easy to get touched or splashed with brew.

    what about up top on the seat tube? no bending over...
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    These just in from JJ.



    "Enjoy the pictures. I’m enjoying the build".

    "I’m very excited about your bike. I know it’s going to be one of my favorites".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    "Enjoy the pictures. I’m enjoying the build".

    "I’m very excited about your bike. I know it’s going to be one of my favorites".

    Ahhh, I bet he says that about everybodies frame...
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    It makes my heart so happy to see that even on a $3k frame, Jeff is still using tried and true Avid Mechanicals.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoman711
    Ahhh, I bet he says that about everybodies frame...
    HA HA. So says the "Runaway Bride".

    Pad: I gotta say that when I rode Jeff's bike, those turn of the century style mechanical's felt every bit as good as me hydros.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    These just in from JJ.



    "Enjoy the pictures. I’m enjoying the build".

    "I’m very excited about your bike. I know it’s going to be one of my favorites".
    cOoL. I welded up my own trailerhitch on my truck, Jeff would be appalled.

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    I nominate Steves bike for best of 2006!

    Steve it looks awesome. The finish treatment to the pipes looks great. I like the mitered seattube. Jeff is doing a fantastic job. And fast! This is a real treat for us all to view. But your posts may be counterproductive, as Jeff is probably fieldong many calls and therefore slowing down your Baby! Ha!!!

    Jeff if you read this pls make mine same but 1/2 shorter TT!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tig
    They're a new (I think) Ti builder out of Northern Cal that displayed a few bikes at this year's Handmade Bicycle Show https://www.handmadebicycleshow.com/
    I don't know anything else about them, but their work looked good in person.

    https://www.rabbitcycles.com/

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    That was my booth the Rabbits were displayed in so I must of met you Tig. Rick Hibbard is the man behind Rabbit and they were being built in Alma, Colorado. Not sure right what's going on with them right now, last I heard Rick was in NYNY for a couple of months but I'm sure he's checking his email and his site.

    I've known Rick for quite a while and ridden the bikes, they're wicked cool. Of the two we had at the show, one was the regular twin spar design from dropout to headtube, the other used Ti "lugs" so there two different size tubes being used on the twin spars. Rick was going to do the same but use CF tubes joined to the Ti lugs but don't know if he's done it yet.
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    More progress

    These just in from JJ:

    Things are really coming together fast, eh?

    Fitting the top tube.

    Machining the BB shell.
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    Who's taking all the pics, Mrs. Jones?

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    I think I am cheating on my bikes but oogling over these pictures...

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    OK. I think I may have to interrupt your build too Steve. It's you're own fault for posting all these pics you know!

    I don't know what the bike costs but it's probably worth it when you factor in the fact that you get to watch it being built.

    Keep 'em coming or post the blog address!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    These just in from JJ:

    Things are really coming together fast, eh?

    Fitting the top tube.

    Machining the BB shell.
    I reached for the safety glasses in that first pic!!

    once again thanks to you and Jeff for sharing the process.

    I can't wait to see the final pics... "C'mon, keep pushing... I can see the head..., push!!"
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    5-10years?

    So all this talk of Jeff's work has got him busy. I emailed regarding getting on the list - expet 15months or so... He is quoting years... with really no certainty if it would be 2 or 10.

    Aguaholic: Cant wait to hear about the ride!

    For me the Wily will be here in 3 weeks or so.

    I need to let Jeff know if I want on the list - as I imagine a lot of people will fall off.

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    Like pieces of a puzzle

    Today's email brought more images from JJ. Each time I receive these pics, I am more intrigued. I mean.... I've seen these same images before with prior builds...but knowing that these pieces of a puzzle, that are coming together to form my bicycle, is kinda surreal.

    Go JJ, GO!
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    Good job!

    this is just like watching a striptease, but in reverse hehe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Today's email brought more images from JJ. Each time I receive these pics, I am more intrigued. I mean.... I've seen these same images before with prior builds...but knowing that these pieces of a puzzle, that are coming together to form my bicycle, is kinda surreal.

    Go JJ, GO!
    I'm curious, what's going on with the seat tube. It doesn't look like it's lining up with the angle gauge correctly. Wrong mitre angles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet
    I'm curious, what's going on with the seat tube. It doesn't look like it's lining up with the angle gauge correctly. Wrong mitre angles?
    Most likely because the seat tube is not a one-piece straight tube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    .....
    Maybe I should give Jeff a call and see how everything is going today. He does like to talk...
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    Boyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

    Quote Originally Posted by motoman711
    Maybe I should give Jeff a call and see how everything is going today. He does like to talk...

    You 'bout to use my last good nerve!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    You 'bout to use my last good nerve!
    Don't worry homey. I won't be bothering him. Afterall, it just pushes my bike back too. (the IMPORTANT bike)
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    I wonder how long the wait list is for one of those pencil & scissors holders on the desk...

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    Anyone know why Jeff is wearing a respirator, or what he is doing to the tube in the picture above? It looks like he's trying to get the tube "finished" a bit before he welds it in.

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    Tom I think I know...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom
    Anyone know why Jeff is wearing a respirator, or what he is doing to the tube in the picture above? It looks like he's trying to get the tube "finished" a bit before he welds it in.
    I'm pretty sure he's using an air or power tool to do the surface finish. You can see a scotch pad nearby. When you're doing a scotchbrite finish, there are a lot of particles in the air. When I do my frame I also use a respirator.

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    Don't Stop JJ!!

    Don't stop JJ...Don't Stop!!! Ohhh .....please don't stop!



    Tacked up and ready for welding!!!!

    Tom:

    He's finishing and preparing the tubes for welding. Breathing Ti dust is probably not good for the 'ol lungs.
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    Steve, man that is looking awesome!

    Steve

    You and Jeff have scored a home run on this bike!!! It looks great! I'll mail you a gift certificate for a box of Depends as you are waiting!!

    BTW Apple Rocks. I picked up the new imac and in a matter of minutes I was hooked up, and maybe 5 more minutes surfing the web. Having cable modem enables me to view your megapicture threads easily!

    I am very interested to see the front end on that baby!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet
    I'm curious, what's going on with the seat tube. It doesn't look like it's lining up with the angle gauge correctly. Wrong mitre angles?
    Rivet:

    As Shiggy mentioned it looks that way because of the miter in the seat tube. All is well.

    The seat tube angle comes off of the BB at about 74 1/2 degrees and then after the miter it ends up at an effective 72 degrees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobde
    Steve

    You and Jeff have scored a home run on this bike!!! It looks great! I'll mail you a gift certificate for a box of Depends as you are waiting!!

    BTW Apple Rocks. I picked up the new imac and in a matter of minutes I was hooked up, and maybe 5 more minutes surfing the web. Having cable modem enables me to view your megapicture threads easily!

    I am very interested to see the front end on that baby!

    Bob

    Hey Bob:

    Why are you not watching that Johnny Cash special instead of playing on here???!!

    Just you wait till you see what JJ has cooked up for the front end of this beast.
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    wow.

    are you getting water bottle bosses? i am just curious if he does those before or after the bike is welded.
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    Seat tube?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    The seat tube angle starts out at about 74 1/2 degrees and then after the miter it ends up at an effective 72 degrees.


    Is there a reason Jeff doesn't custom bend a one piece seat tube? As flowing as his bikes are I'm a little surprised. BTW, the bike looks great, congratulations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jh_on_the_cape
    wow.

    are you getting water bottle bosses? i am just curious if he does those before or after the bike is welded.
    Negative on the bosses. I never ride with a water bottle. And if I need to use lights, I'll put the battery in my Camelbak.

    The seat tube has to be mitered that way to achieve the desired ST angle and still provide tire clearance. You'll see the same thing in other frames, it's just typically a bend.


    One thing interesting that JJ has done here, is to offset the seat tube towards the rear of the BB shell. Note how it wraps around the rear of the shell. Since I'll never be running a front derailluer, we can get away with this. This gives more surface area to weld(more contact area), and results in a stronger joint. He's actually done the same thing with the downtube.
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    Now I'm drooling............

    It will be a thing of functional beauty and art. You are sooooo lucky!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Don't stop JJ...Don't Stop!!! Ohhh .....please don't stop!



    Tacked up and ready for welding!!!!

    Tom:

    He's finishing and preparing the tubes for welding. Breathing Ti dust is probably not good for the 'ol lungs.
    I like how when you look to the side the seat stay...err TT...er that wavy thing covers the seat tube angle. Very Slick

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoSS

    Is there a reason Jeff doesn't custom bend a one piece seat tube? As flowing as his bikes are I'm a little surprised. BTW, the bike looks great, congratulations.

    I agree with you and so does JJ, that asthetically it may look better without the miter.

    However:

    1. Seat post insertion would be limited. It would not be able to be lowered to desired depth.

    2. Bending such a large tube would weaken it as opposed to mitering it.


    JJ's mantra: "Function Over Form".
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    Very, very beautiful. Keep `em coming!
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    We are all blessed..

    Watching this beautiful creation come together in the hands of a Master Craftsman in Ti is an incredible treat.

    I honestly think that JJ is at the top of the list for Ti frame builders. Those curved tubes are beautiful work...a masterpiece in metal.

    I just wish that his waiting list wasn't so long, as i'm fast running out of time..

    Ah well, at least I can enjoy seeing him build your frame.


    Thanks for the pics,


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    One thing interesting that JJ has done here, is to offset the seat tube towards the rear of the BB shell. Note how it wraps around the rear of the shell. Since I'll never be running a front derailluer, we can get away with this.
    Looking very cool. If no front der, what's the rear hanger and ebb for? Maybe I missed a post or 2 and you've already mentioned all this earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monte
    Looking very cool. If no front der, what's the rear hanger and ebb for? Maybe I missed a post or 2 and you've already mentioned all this earlier.

    Monte
    Monte:

    The bike will split time as a SS and a 4 speed. The "studio" shots of the finished bike will probably be in SS mode.


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    So what's the deeeeeeeal with the Cogs??? - A JJ one-off or a Boone item? Is that a SS Cassette Hub or just a standard Hub? The spacing looks a little funny at that angle.
    Do tell.....What's instore for your Fork??? Don't tease!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMFT
    So what's the deeeeeeeal with the Cogs??? - A JJ one-off or a Boone item? Is that a SS Cassette Hub or just a standard Hub? The spacing looks a little funny at that angle.
    Do tell.....What's instore for your Fork??? Don't tease!
    Originally it was a Boone/ Cannibalized Sram creation. But JJ found a new source for the 4 speed. That's just a garden variety CK SS hub.

    The fork? I can't give it away now...you'll just have to stay tuned. It will be trick!
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    And speaking of H-bars...

    ....I was riding on 'em long before JJ!
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    Aqua,

    That is one beautiful set of tubes you got going there. What do you expect the weight to be on this thing when its done (just frame and fully built)?

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    Good gravy, what a thing of beauty. It almost defies description. I'd have to say that it's the most beautiful piece of functional art I've ever seen.

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    Chills up me Spine!

    Here's the latest. I'm getting chills up my spine looking at these.Seriously.

    Cross members.

    Tacked up and ready for welding.

    JJ's gonna put this thing in a condom at this point and start in on the Truss next. That way he can just do a weld-a-thon.

    I'm getting GEEKED!
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    Uhuh...

    Is that toptube brace welded into he seattube the novelty I think your frame would have?

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    Stop it, You’re killing me. I'm starting to think my kids don't need to go to college (they're only 5 and 2). I wonder how long it would be until my wife figured it out. Any divorce proceedings in the next 2 years are your fault.

    If this thread doesn't double JJ already long a$$ wait, I don't know what will.

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    Cross members.

    Tacked up and ready for welding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinch
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    That is one beautiful set of tubes you got going there. What do you expect the weight to be on this thing when its done (just frame and fully built)?

    Pinch:

    I asked him that the other day. It's not going to be weight weenie light at all. This beast will get ridden, flown, and flogged hard. So, he's using extra big tubes and beefy, proven components. Projected weight should be in the 25 - 25.5 pound range.

    JJ's fully aware of my track record with bikes...so this is gonna be a "Freeride Jones".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    JJ's fully aware of my track record with bikes...so this is gonna be a "Freeride Jones".
    "I gotta Freeride Jonesssssssss, I gotta Freeride Jones, OOOOOOOO, Baby-Baby, I gotta Freeride Jones."

    I really look forward to seeing this frame built up. Simply fantastic. Curious if you are gonna run BB7s though. Personally, I'm hoping you run Hopes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki
    Uhuh...

    Is that toptube brace welded into he seattube the novelty I think your frame would have?
    I am not understanding this J-G. I am not seeing any "new" construction/pieces on the frame yet.
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    Again, beautiful pictures of an incredible frame. The way the lit frame is protruding from the dark shop... Very nice. Can`t wait to see how the fork is turning out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Here's the latest.
    I love the old vs. new in that last picture. That is his first Ti frame in the background.
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    holy. crap.

    i know there are a few naysayers on this board when it comes to JJ's work, but i can't imagine anyone with the gift of sight looking at the picture of your frame from the rear and NOT getting wood. i say it's impossible!

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    Had enough?

    So, I'm thinking that perhaps you guys don't want to see any more pics, right? You know..hold off on the welding and fork fabrication shots. I could just wait and show you the finished bike. You know, save it all for the big finish.


    Cool?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    So, I'm thinking that perhaps you guys don't want to see any more pics, right? You know..hold off on the welding and fork fabrication shots. I could just wait and show you the finished bike. You know, save it all for the big finish.


    Cool?
    Stop being a tease you Jones whore and keep those pics rolling.
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    Fork Me!

    The Truss has begun to take shape!
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    Is this the best thread in the history of the internet? I think so.
    Keep those pics coming.
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    Omg..

    Is it possible to be in love with a frame?

    Seriously, that frame is absolutely delicious.

    Great pics...the 'birth of a classic'.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    The Truss has begun to take shape!
    Fork you Steve, fork you...
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    Cheaper and much more effective marketing than buying full-page ads, wouldn't you say?

    It actually does a great service to serious framebuilders everywhere. JJ can't possibly satisfy the current demand for frames without changing the way that he works (and I hope that he doesn't do that), but other savvy builders should learn from this and provide this kind of experience for their customers.

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    I think I need a new keyboard, mine is full of drool after looking at all those pictures!!! I bet even Dave Turner gets a FMB looking at those.
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    Is that a static phase converter on the wall running your mill?

    I never thought those worked all that well and always went with a rotory. How's yours working for you?
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    Congrats on 10000 views bud. Is that some sort of record?

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    Something like this should help set your Jones apart from all the others, they are everywhere you know

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoman711
    Is that some sort of record?

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    Actually, this thread is in 3rd behind the Picture Thread and the FAQ. NOT BAD!
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoman711
    Congrats on 10000 views bud. Is that some sort of record?

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    i'm sure at least half of those are from me.
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    Haha, everyday i check this thread just to see if any more pics has surfaced... None!
    Can`t wait to see how the truss works out.
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    I'm not sure which day Aqua will resurface...

    I know he is visiting family and has no computer access, so that is why no new pics. I wonder how far along the fork is today? What a Holiday stress to have!

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    Omg Wtf Lol

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    Steve - With the amount of advertising you're doing for him JJ should just give you this bike. I'm serious, there's got to be a way to track how many orders JJ's getting for his bikes from this thread. He should give you a discount at least!

    Awesome thread. Thanks for sharing!

    Cheers and Happy Holidays to all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Here's some pics I just received of the new style truss fork that JJ cooked up. "This fork will be substantially stiffer laterally than my current fork". "It will pretty much take anything you can throw at, Steve". "Bombproof".

    All this and only a few grams heavier!

    It's a design that he's had in mind for awhile and he says he is itching to ride this bike and test this fork out.
    cool... awesome place to mount a light for night riding, too.

    where do you mount the brakes?
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    New Style Truss

    Here's some pics I just received of the new style truss fork that JJ cooked up. "This fork will be substantially stiffer laterally than my current fork". "It will pretty much take anything you can throw at, Steve". "Bombproof".

    All this and only a few grams heavier!

    It's a design that he's had in mind for awhile and he says he is itching to ride this bike and test this fork out.

    BTW Ian, JJ decided that since this story has done so much to promote his company, he has decided to do this build for me, gratis!!! What an awesome guy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    gratis!!! What an awesome guy!
    Free eh? That is awfully nice of him... Nice to see you finally back at the grind...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jh_on_the_cape
    cool... awesome place to mount a light for night riding, too.

    where do you mount the brakes?
    Very clean looking!
    If that was my fork there would be a light mount that would tuck the lamps inside the truss (in front of the head tube) for protection.

    I am assuming disc brakes.
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    I wonder if Jeff has thought of making a one-piece steer tube/stem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoman711
    Free eh? That is awfully nice of him... Nice to see you finally back at the grind...

    Yes, however, he will make up for it on your build. Sorry, Man!

    Shiggster: Disks? Oh Yeah...Big ones.

    One piece steerer/stem? He did do an experimental prototype early on. I think Bryce posted a picture of it in that Truss fork discussion a few weeks ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    One piece steerer/stem? He did do an experimental prototype early on. I think Bryce posted a picture of it in that Truss fork discussion a few weeks ago.
    Nah, I didn't post it. But, I know the bike you are talking about. It is a one piece fork, stem, h-bar combo. According to jeff it is silly rigid. The probel with it was that everything is fixed in place. Which obviously means limited cockpit adjustments. It would really be a pain to take on an airplane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    ...JJ decided that since this story has done so much to promote his company, he has decided to do this build for me,[/FONT] gratis!!! What an awesome guy!
    You do need to collect this thread and set it up as a stand-alone web page/site. A "Birth of a Bike" sort of thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    ...One piece steerer/stem? He did do an experimental prototype early on...
    I was thinking about something like a WTB/Potts/Cunningham LD stem. It would be custom fit, of course. You could have a couple different stem/steerer sizes.
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    Shiggy that is a cool idea!

    I had to do a triple take (I guess I'm slow). But now that I see it, I like it! It'd be the only steer tube in which you trim the bottom of it off! I suppose the only hitch is if Jeff could and/or would do a removable faceplate to clear the H-bar. One other nice part is that you wouldn't have 2 clamps on top of the headtube (Upper truss clamp and the stem clamp).
    I guess another method would be to take say a moots removable faceplate stem of the correct length/angle and weld it onto a Ti Tube and then grind off the binder bolts. Not as pretty as the "Nessie" neck that Shiggy has drawn tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoman711
    Nah, I didn't post it. But, I know the bike you are talking about. It is a one piece fork, stem, h-bar combo. According to jeff it is silly rigid. The probel with it was that everything is fixed in place. Which obviously means limited cockpit adjustments. It would really be a pain to take on an airplane.
    I linked to the shots from the gallery on his website. The "truss" uprights are long, straight, unbraced tubes from the front dropout to the handlebar. Looks to be a step over the line when it comes to practicality and potential crashworthiness.

    I think this is the bar/stem combo that you are looking for:



    That is Josh Ogle holding it. I'd want the curved extensions myself.
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    Finally more pics! Great looking fork albeit not as curvy looking as his past efforts. But it is all good. Very nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    JJ decided that since this story has done so much to promote his company, he has decided to do this build for me, gratis!!! What an awesome guy!
    Back up a second.

    Are you saying that your frame will be on the house from Jeff?

    If so, that is ultra cool, jeff must reeeeaaaaallly be a standup guy...and this thread must have reeeaaaaally generated some business for him...which is good...

    The tough thing with respect to a guy working alone in a garage, is that even if the backlog of orders goes out for years into the future, how do you increase you income without increasing the speed of which you produce frames, or hiring someone to help you weld? Lets say on a wild hare that he makes a frame a month (judging by the length of this thread, it's less than that), that only comes out to 40k/yr or so, not counting expenses...of course there's the Hbar, and maybe parts to spec out the bikes if someone buys more than a frame, but still, that's a hard living...

    I wonder if having an apprentice or helper is a future option?

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    I always like to think it's the neighbourhood kids welding up the H-Bars now, cranking out ten of them between school and diner for a buck a pop. I wish I had such a job as a kid.

    Building custom bikes won't make anyone rich. Good think for Jeff is that the world's best bike frames to him are just tubing costs and some free hours of his time. He does seem to build up most customer frames up as complete bikes, possibly doubling turnover. But then, which shop lives off one bike a month?

    I can't believe Jeff is giving away that frame. Did he need any extra publicity? Most of us have clicked on this thread 30 times or more, making up for those 12k views.

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    Whoa! Hold on guys...I was just kidding about JJ giving me a free bike. I hate using those stupid little emoticons, but in hindsight, perhaps I should have.


    Anyway, No freebies for me.

    For the time that JJ puts into these bikes, he should be charging a lot more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic

    For the time that JJ puts into these bikes, he should be charging a lot more.
    i agree. i thought you were serious at first, and it just boggled my mind. for a builder who can crank out a frame a week, and may not have little mouths to feed, a free frame isn't out of the realm of possibility. but for a guy like JJ who takes weeks to craft a frame, and who also has to worry about putting food on the table for his little ones (plus college someday!), it seemed a bit unreal. not to mention his several year waiting list already. it's not like the guy's starving for business!

    btw - tell him to send you more pictures. of anything really. this thread needs constant pictures. on second thought, maybe he could just set up some live streaming video on his site...
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    Even at his retail prices, I assume he's making a very modest living. with 1" ti tubing costing roughly $45/ft; 1.5" tubing at $65/ft, plus the cost of fittings (bottle mounts, dropouts, BB shell, EBB) at another $100 or so; the material costs might not be as much as you think. It's all the hardware required to build that makes it a bit tougher to make a living. That Anvil frame jig is in the $7K neighborhood. Plus any tubing and stay mitering fixtures, tube benders and jigs that he uses, not to mention the cost of that Bridgeport and additional hardware I've seen in the pictures. You're easily looking at $30K and up in hardware that he had to purchase. Plus there's the TIG welder and consumables, waste, alignment table, work space (even from home, it has a cost)...
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    Oh Steve, if only you charged 50cents a view....

    You might have REALLY had a free bike after it was said and done! I'm voting for 20,000 views!

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    Can that fork be built with....

    4130 Cromo? (thin wall of course) Looks like a very nice bike AQ. One more questions about your fork: Is the steer tube plain, as in there is no lip on the bottom of the tube?(it's hel together by clamping force alone?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29inch

    I wonder if having an apprentice or helper is a future option?
    Holy sh!t. I'd be there in a heartbeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Tractor
    4130 Cromo? (thin wall of course) Looks like a very nice bike AQ. One more questions about your fork: Is the steer tube plain, as in there is no lip on the bottom of the tube?(it's hel together by clamping force alone?)

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    The Jones truss forks use a headset "upper" cup top and bottom. The steer tube is a simple straight tube the gets clamped to the fork on each end.

    Could it be built in cro-mo? Sure, just not by Jeff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Tractor
    One more questions about your fork: Is the steer tube plain, as in there is no lip on the bottom of the tube?(it's hel together by clamping force alone?)

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    Straight gauge, non butted, no lip. Here's some pics to help visualize how the Truss goes together.
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    Truss assembly - more.


    Note the last two pics. You can see the difference between my new "Freeride Truss" vs the conventional configuration.

    BTW, we're staying with an aluminum steerer as opposed to Ti. JJ feels that the added strength of the thicker aluminum steerer will be better for me. "It's not worth it to shave a few grams in this area".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Whoa! Hold on guys...I was just kidding about JJ giving me a free bike. I hate using those stupid little emoticons, but in hindsight, perhaps I should have.


    Anyway, No freebies for me.

    For the time that JJ puts into these bikes, he should be charging a lot more.

    Dude, I told you that sarcasm doesn't come through on the web! I almost passed out when you said you were getting it for free. Especially after I gave up my spot for you.
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    I am addicted to this thread. I may need a twelve step program.

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    Haha, me too. Interesting to compare AQs FResque fork versus JJs "old" one.
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    Apprentice

    Could be the newest reality show. I for one would be happy to go. Or maybe a movie Weekend at the Jones. I am sure it would never happen, but likes a real Jones bike one can always dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smudge
    That Anvil frame jig is in the $7K neighborhood.
    Well, the new Super Masters are, that one wasn't. Based on this thread, I'll be expecting Jeff to trade up any day now.....
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