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    low trail/longer stem vs higher trail/short stem

    Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

    On a bike that is ridden with and without a load, 650b 48mm tires and a rando/all roady style geometry leaning more towards road.

    Say the low trail bike is around (72 HTA/65 Rake) 40mm of trail with a 90-110mm stem.

    vs a high trail bike with a longer reach/ front center and a shorter stem(35-70?) how do you keep the balance between offset and head tube angle to go for the handling your looking for?

    How would these bikes handle differently loaded and unloaded? and how high would you go on the trail of the high trail bike to keep things quick and lively while compensating for the shorter stem length? Hoping to also eliminate TCO with the longer front center on the high trail bike as the low trail bike has none due to the 65mm fork rake.

    Sorry, if this is confusing. let me know if it needs any explanation. Thanks

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    The first bike will have adequate grip and front wheel weight seated. But unstable standing. The second bike is set up for standing but seated it can wash out in the front. How much seated turns do you ride fast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerberus75 View Post
    The first bike will have adequate grip and front wheel weight seated. But unstable standing. The second bike is set up for standing but seated it can wash out in the front. How much seated turns do you ride fast?
    The bike will mostly ridden on paved/dirt/gravel roads double traxk occasional single track.

    I forgot to mention itís also fixed gear with occasional single speed freewheelin but not much. So always climbing standing and always descending sitting altho while spinning down hills fast weight seems to move forward a bit into hands

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    Same handlebar width?

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    How much load is "loaded"?

    I'm not really sure what the question is. It seems to be "how do you make a high trail bike handle like a low trail bike" and the answer is you can't.

    If the question is really "how can I make a low trail bike and minimize toe overlap", the basic answer is longer top tube, shorter stem, slacker head angle, and even more fork offset than the usual low trail design.

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