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    New question here. Retirement, Where when??

    I am 62 avid cyclist,Road and mountain.Want to retire somewhere where I can do both and hang out with like minded.Have been looking at retirement communities,not old folk homes,but places like saddlebrooke in Arizona.Plan on visiting Bend Oregon,Boise Idaho,St George Utah and others.Open to suggestions.Dont like humidty.That sort of rules out Florida.I think Georgia has some biking north of Atlanta.What are all you old guys thinking?

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    Where? I enjoy mountain biking and skiing. Not a fan of big cities I've been looking at some small towns in western Colorado that will give me access to each.

    When? I'm 52. I'd like to be out there by the time I'm 60. Even if I'm not retired. I hope to be able to work part-time from home by then.

    That's the plan, anyway. It's good to have goals.

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    Idyllwild, CA(4600ft) has 40+ miles combined network of trails you can ride straight out of your front door, 300 days out of the year. Idyllwild has homes, starting at $25k to $450k. The riding locals consists of a 69-year-old singlespeeder, 86-year-old trail rider, a few CAT1 XC pros, a World-Class marathon racer and a bunch of bikepackers, mixed with a few trail enthusiasts. Two excellent bike shops are up there, who can do everything from fork, shock and suspension service....to alloy frame repair.

    For a retired biker - Idyllwild is literally a Country Club: with top dining establishments, hiking, nearby lakes.....all in a Alpine environment.
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    Where I live one can do anything from a rails to trails to stuff that requires a six inch bike with body armor. Not to mention we have skiing. But really, where you plan to live should have the consideration of factors that don't just include biking.

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    55 years young and retired and living in Heber Utah. The wife and I moved here 5+ years ago from Park City. We got tired of our taxes being way to high and the have to have something going on in PC 52 weeks out of the year to keep the dirt pimps and merchants happy. Our taxes are 1/3 of what they were in PC and that was one of the things we looked at with both of us being in our fifties and looking at ways to reduce our overhead. We have hundreds of miles of trails in PC and Heber Valley and when the snow flies we are 20 minutes to PCMR or PCM if you drink the kool-aid. Heber is at 5500' feet so the winters are not quite as harsh as what we used to see in PC which is at 7000'and then again there has not been a real winter here in 5 years.
    Such a long long time to be gone, such a short time to be.

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    My aunt and uncle love Bend, my wife likes Boise and I'm thinking about Laramie.

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    There are so many factors to retirement, family, cost of living, weather, etc. etc. I like biking but that would have to somewhat down on the list of things that are a factor.

    You mentioned North Georgia, let me tell you it is HOT and humid in the summer pretty much everywhere in the south. I used to work in Ringold, GA.

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    Laramie, really. You must like cold and wind.
    I grew up there and I am very happy to not living there anymore.
    I am retired and live in Lakewood, CO. Lots of riding in the area. Best place to retire, I do not know; but my wife is a native of Denver, so I had no choice.
    Good luck in your retirement.
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    My retirement is not going to be decided on mountain biking. I'm buying a sail boat and heading to the Caribbean.

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    After retiring I found out Tucson is building a 130 mile loop around town The Loop - Pima County

    Summers are brutal here, so ride early in the mornings.

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    Don't like the humidity of Florida, but are thinking of moving closer to Kentucky? You're doing it wrong.

    Move west, young man. Like, at least two hundred miles west of the Mississippi.

    Here's a map to help you find areas void of water. Whatever you do, avoid anything near the Gulf of Google.

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    Age 59 and retiring to Prescott AZ in one year from Nome AK. Being near family is the main consideration in the choice of Prescott, but really looking forward to nearby cycling opportunities: Sedona, Flag, PHX, BCT. Prescott itself seems to have embraced mtb with new trails going in every year. If not for family, I would probably be looking at Silver City NM. Can't wait. I ride my fatbike year round up here in AK, but I miss riding real singletrack. Looking forward to buying a couple of new bikes, too. Woot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fog View Post
    Laramie, really. You must like cold and wind.
    I grew up there and I am very happy to not living there anymore.
    I am retired and live in Lakewood, CO. Lots of riding in the area. Best place to retire, I do not know; but my wife is a native of Denver, so I had no choice.
    Good luck in your retirement.
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    I couldn't agree with you more about Laramie. One of the coldest windiest places in the U.S. I have a part time airport shuttle gig I do once a week. I've been doing it for a couple of years now. Every shift that I work I'have to drive from Fort Collins to Cheyenne and over to Laramie via I-80. Sometimes twice in a shift. One miserable place that area is. It's very common to have 60 mph winds in blizzard white out conditions going across I-80 between the two cities. Yet Fort Collins is just 1 hour from Laramie via 287 and it's a night and day difference in weather.
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    North Georgia is not hot ( I can see why someone might think that because ga is beyond hot). Not expensive. With mass mountain trails...

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    My priorities:
    Near my kids, or at least one of them.
    Snow for skiing and fatbiking
    Close to large trail system.

    I might end up in the upper Midwest. Hopefully with an RV so I can ride all over the east coast (and finally learn to kiteboard).

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    I retired four years ago about a week after I turned 62.

    We moved to an "active" adult community this past June. My experience is that the definition of active adult in these communities is "your heart is beating and you have money" and if you have money, they will keep your heart beating. Though there is a hike/bike club, the biking is basically rail trails. Its a fun social event but definitely not the type of biking on MTBR.

    Fortunately, we live in North Jersey so finding like minded people is no problem only you are not going to find them in an adult community. I find rides on Meetup.com and other sites. There are plenty of people our age who want to ride but you have to seek them out.

    I also ski - a lot, like 85 days a season, so living anywhere not near a ski area is not going to happen. Besides our local hills, New England is five hours away and any where else is usually a non-stop flight from Newark Liberty Airport.

    Oh, yeah, I still surf. An ocean better be close and I love NYC too.

    Honestly, if money is an issue, don't move to NJ to retire. It really is a fantastic place to live but there is a reason it was picked deal last as a place to retire. My wife and I are lucky and travel a great deal and I've been to 49 states. Personally, I'd rather vacation in different areas and live here but that is me. We're heading to Norcal next week to ride with friends and have in-laws in Hawaii so we have options other people may not have and both our son's live here.

    Enough though. You are going to have to decide what is most important to you.

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    Year round riding?

    If you are looking for year round riding then you have fewer options. And how much riding do you do, and what type? Some people ride 5 miles per day and put their bikes away in winter. So where they live is not that big a deal. I retired where I could do my kind of mountain biking - 40 miles rides in mountainous terrain, year round. My two choices were the Auburn, CA area and Prescott, AZ. I chose Auburn because Tahoe is my favorite place to ride and it is a reasonable drive to bike there 5 months of the year, and then ride locally the rest of the year. And being a botanist I needed a bit more green than Prescott offered. Being retired I take trips to Arizona in the winter too. Lots of photos and info on these places on my biking site.

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    Consider Reno, NV. Low taxes, full amenity city. Close to Tahoe and all the riding, skiing, and backcountry of the Sierra, but NOT in California. Reno itself has relatively high housing costs. So look at Carson City, Gardnerville/Minden, or one of the outlying Reno suburbs.

    California is NOT a retirement friendly state. Consistently listed as one of the worst states for retirement.
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    Santa Cruz Mountains. Nearest trails, 1/2 mile. San Francisco, 1/2 hour drive. It would be expensive to move here now, but I'm already here and the house is paid for. Property taxes are limited by Proposition 13 here and based on what I bought the place for 23 years ago (in the middle of a recession). Why would I want to move?

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    I love the idea of retiring to the Pacific NW but I'm not sure I can pull it off financially. I will move out of town when I go, though--the main advantage of where I am is that I can bike to work (2miles) but once that convenience is no longer required, there's little else holding me here...

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    Sorry...but...retirement? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! ROTFL!!! LMAO!!!
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    Ahem...well, I don't know about everyone else here...but I have zero intention of retiring for the following reasons:

    1. (the biggest) I can't afford it. Poke fun at me all you want, but life has dealt me a series of setbacks (some self-induced, others not) that have left me with nowhere near the mountain of cash and investments I'd need to kick back for the last 20+ years of my life and goof around.

    2. I'd very quickly get bored in retirement—unless I had a "Mt. Everest" of cash and investments that would allow me to endlessly travel the world.

    3. Work is fun for me. I enjoy challenging myself by staying relevant as I age—and it keeps my brain in better shape.

    4. If were to ever retire from my current career, I'd just launch a different one.

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    Anyway, good thread—but it's also pretty irrelevant for me. (Anyone else?)

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    Retirement means different things to different people. To me it means more freedom and flexibility. Ill have enough retirement income to get by without working, but Ill continue to work part time and stay busy with volunteer work, riding, hiking, trailbuilding, and hobbies like travel, cooking and brewing beer.

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    Oh, the irony....

    LOL....the general premise of "Retirement" is grossly over-rated. Many folks feel just because they paid their dues, busting their asses off for 25-30 years.....they can finally relax and go sedentary, the remainder of their lives. The reality is - once you go sedentary...the weight piles on, the pains increase, new ailments come forward, etc. Next thing you know - you're blowing your entire retirement savings....just to remain alive comfortably. By sitting in front of a TV or movie screen, swinging a golf club, or going on weight gain excursions(ie: cruises), you're basically expediting "waiting to die." Many folks never grasp the "use it or lose it" concept of keeping physically active, for life.

    My final days will be spent either working part-time, and staying as active as I am today....which includes lots of riding.
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    Where do you live now?
    The reason why is to get a baseline for:

    What is humidity to you?

    What are taxes where you are now? ( and are there programs to reduce them in some of your choices)

    What is "year round riding" to you?

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    Live in panhandle of texasPretty windy and dry but can mountainbike Palo Duro Canyon year round and ride road bike 3 seasons pretty well.Property taxes seem high but no state income tax.Thinking snowbird type scenario,Maybe Bend Oregon and Arizona or Boise Idaho and Florida beachReally like retirement community where there is lots of stuff to do and people to do them with.

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    Some place where I can ski, fatbike, downhill, crosscountry, bikepack and go 4 wheeling.
    The only place I can think of is...... Colorado Rockies.
    We are currently looking for places since we are hoping to be semi retiring in a couple years.
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    I'm retired in Gallup, New Mexico, which would not be the place to go if you are thinking of a real civilized retirement. But if you are someone who has to have a mountain to roam, most land here is public, so you can pretty much go anywhere and do anything you want to at any time. My opinion is to retire as soon as possible. Everything changes when you have expanded time options, and the younger you are the more options you will have. My wife and I are both artists and retirement has given us the opportunity spend as much time making art as we want to. As the leader of the local trail advocacy and building group, Gallup Trails, I spend a lot of time designing trail routes, constructing trail furniture and signage, going to meetings, maintaining the website, etc. We have a small cabin/bike house on the nearby mountain that I spend a couple nights a week at, doing lots of riding, camping, hiking, xc skiing and thinking. At some point it is good to be involved in something larger than your own hedonism, and I feel like I'm making a difference here and am loved and appreciated by my community. I cannot imaging having a better life than I do right now, hope it lasts a long time to come.
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    Although I am at least ten years from retiring, I have been thinking Prescott, AZ would be an ideal spot (admittedly biased since I already live in Arizona). Lots of intermediate-level trails and decent weather for a good share of the year. It seems to be a very bike-friendly community where they are always building something new. With Sedona, Flagstaff, and Phoenix all just a short drive away you have a diverse choice of good trails and climate year round. For me year-round riding is pretty important; getting back in shape after a three-month layoff I expect to get more difficult as I get older.

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    Are you guys really basing your retirement on the mountain biking trails? When I retire, I want to see the world, not Prescott.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    Are you guys really basing your retirement on the mountain biking trails? When I retire, I want to see the world, not Prescott.
    You MAy find your outlook is different when you actually retire. I've seen much of the world, plan to see more, but I recommend everyone doing that asap if you haven't. If you are hooked into a donkey job quit and pursue your real life now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    Are you guys really basing your retirement on the mountain biking trails? When I retire, I want to see the world, not Prescott.
    Prescott, yes, and Flag, Phx, Sedona, Utah, New Mexico, Colorado... One has to live somewhere, and the rest world is only a drive, plane ticket away. I've been to the Caribbean. My wife was born there. A visit every five years or so is plenty. And I've lived on a boat... meh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owtdorz View Post
    Some place where I can ski, fatbike, downhill, crosscountry, bikepack and go 4 wheeling.
    The only place I can think of is...... Colorado Rockies.
    We are currently looking for places since we are hoping to be semi retiring in a couple years.
    If you want to get away from the crowds, check out Eagle.

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    I retired at 55 2 years ago and moved to a mtb mecca on Vancouver Island, Cumberland. I don't ski, but there is a local resort, ocean, some of the best mountain biking ever, and a laid back lifestyle while still having all the amenities that I could want nearby. While the area has lots of retirees, Cumberland is chocked full of young families, and a few not so young. Probably 8 mountain bikers live on my 1 block long street. I ride a lot, whenever I want, and have hooked up with a crew that are mostly in their 40s and 50s. I'm the oldest, but not the slowest. Retire, and ride more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I retired at 55 2 years ago and moved to a mtb mecca on Vancouver Island, Cumberland. I don't ski, but there is a local resort, ocean, some of the best mountain biking ever, and a laid back lifestyle while still having all the amenities that I could want nearby. While the area has lots of retirees, Cumberland is chocked full of young families, and a few not so young. Probably 8 mountain bikers live on my 1 block long street. I ride a lot, whenever I want, and have hooked up with a crew that are mostly in their 40s and 50s. I'm the oldest, but not the slowest. Retire, and ride more.
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    Zachariah: Speak for yourself.

    I retired over four years ago and my savings have grown since then, I weight the same now as in college and the army, ride almost every day in the warm months and ski almost every day in the cold months. The sex is better too. What is this sedentary life you talk about? I never had time to have so much fun when I worked. Ailments? Nothing to speak about. Travel? Hell yes! Lots of travel.

    As I said, speak for yourself when you pan retirement.

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    If you are not enjoying retirement, you are doing it wrong.
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    Your choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Zachariah View Post
    LOL....the general premise of "Retirement" is grossly over-rated.... The reality is - once you go sedentary...the weight piles on, the pains increase, new ailments come forward, etc. Next thing you know - you're blowing your entire retirement savings....just to remain alive comfortably. By sitting in front of a TV or movie screen, swinging a golf club, or going on weight gain excursions(ie: cruises), you're basically expediting "waiting to die."
    That's your choice, not mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedyd View Post
    I am 62 avid cyclist,Road and mountain.Want to retire somewhere where I can do both and hang out with like minded.Have been looking at retirement communities,not old folk homes,but places like saddlebrooke in Arizona.Plan on visiting Bend Oregon,Boise Idaho,St George Utah and others.Open to suggestions.Dont like humidty.That sort of rules out Florida.I think Georgia has some biking north of Atlanta.What are all you old guys thinking?
    Come to Haywood County, North Carolina. We are located just west of Asheville, NC, the road biking is great. Although mtbing options within the county are limited, there are unlimited mtb trails located in all directions, you will be living in the hub of mtbing in western North Carolina.

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    Cool thread, so I'm tuning in. Though I am only 44 and plan to never retire - I'm in medicine and like it, and pays too well, but plan to go part time in my 50s.

    Trail work, designing and building and upgrading, are probably my favorite things, and keep me in better shape than riding itself. So, wherever I end up I'll need the freedom to pick up my mattock and saw and hike and build what I want, where I want, when I want. - without being hassled. I've been to areas that are very restrictive (rightfully so) when it comes to this sort of thing, and while the trails may be great, the loss of freedom would be too much for me. I suppose if I did live in an are with an abundance of very dialed trails I might be happy with riding by itself.

    Where I live right now is hardly exotic but I've got twenty plus acres adjacent to a vast tract of remote State Forest that is ripe for both riding, building, and trail skiing, and am in good with the Forestry guy. The family camps and rides from there all the time. I'm working on building my own cabin to live out of, and ride from, when the kids move on. Rough cut lumber mill up the road. I digress...

    So, I'll probably end up staying put, but take the extra time and money I save and spend time in places like BC and the like.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wncbiker View Post
    Come to Haywood County, North Carolina. We are located just west of Asheville, NC, the road biking is great. Although mtbing options within the county are limited, there are unlimited mtb trails located in all directions, you will be living in the hub of mtbing in western North Carolina.
    Oooo plenty of MTB trails and awesome roads to drive, I have an S2000 that is made for that area.

    Sounds tempting

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    I moved to Bend 10 years ago so I already live where I'm going to retire. I don't think I will ever move unless my husband and I find a place that suites us better and I can't see that happening.

    I'm not retiring anytime soon. I help people find houses to buy and I really enjoy that. I also work a bit in the creative field too.

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    I'm buying a 18 acre plot near DuPont State Forest in Brevard NC. It's got over 10,000 acres of land and 100 miles of trails, waterfalls, lakes and streams. Just turned 60 and will hanging it up at 65. Building a new home on this property which has a 1/2 mile border with DuPont, I can work from there during my last few years. It's about 30 minutes SW from Asheville, NC, where deadheads go to retire. The county is about half state or national forest. Fly fishing, kayaking, hiking and biking plus Asheville is home to about 24 breweries including Sierra Nevada and New Belgium. Not a bad plan, if you ask me

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    Quote Originally Posted by SWriverstone View Post
    Sorry...but...retirement? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! ROTFL!!! LMAO!!!
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    Ahem...well, I don't know about everyone else here...but I have zero intention of retiring for the following reasons:

    1. (the biggest) I can't afford it. Poke fun at me all you want, but life has dealt me a series of setbacks (some self-induced, others not) that have left me with nowhere near the mountain of cash and investments I'd need to kick back for the last 20+ years of my life and goof around.

    2. I'd very quickly get bored in retirement—unless I had a "Mt. Everest" of cash and investments that would allow me to endlessly travel the world.

    3. Work is fun for me. I enjoy challenging myself by staying relevant as I age—and it keeps my brain in better shape.

    4. If were to ever retire from my current career, I'd just launch a different one.

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    Anyway, good thread—but it's also pretty irrelevant for me. (Anyone else?)

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    i'm going to retire somewhere that i can bowhunt easily..and have great hospital care.

    haha..i cannot believe how fast life is playing on. crazy.
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    I feel compelled to post up that all you guys retiring in your 40's and 50's are in a VERY elite and lucky minority. Do I envy you? Absolutely. But are you "normal?" Not even close. You're probably part of the 1% (or darn close to it).

    As I mentioned earlier, having enough of a mountain of cash and investments to kick back and goof around for a decade or three means you are FAR above the means of the majority of Americans.

    So enjoy it! :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SWriverstone View Post
    I feel compelled to post up that all you guys retiring in your 40's and 50's are in a VERY elite and lucky minority. Do I envy you? Absolutely. But are you "normal?" Not even close. You're probably part of the 1% (or darn close to it).

    As I mentioned earlier, having enough of a mountain of cash and investments to kick back and goof around for a decade or three means you are FAR above the means of the majority of Americans.

    So enjoy it! :-)
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    true.

    i wasted the early years of earning $ doing stupid things. mostly thinking with my pecker. i finally wised up and got a job. a career.

    i am on schedule to retire at 62, which is the best i can do. i'll be super comfortable.
    currently love my job as a civil engineer. mostly low stress, and i'm not full time behind a desk. i live near some great MTB bike areas..and being in the Bay Area, CA..i am not bored ever. food, shows, friends..mtn biking, and the outdoors is untapped by all the city folk here. i love it. i ride almost everyday now...if i'm not riding a trail, i'm jogging it.

    i learned one thing as i aged..it isnt just money you need to enter retirement..you need a good healthy foundation too. all the money isnt gonna last if you are fat, diabetic..have a bad heart..life will derail fast. really fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SWriverstone View Post
    I feel compelled to post up that all you guys retiring in your 40's and 50's are in a VERY elite and lucky minority. Do I envy you? Absolutely. But are you "normal?" Not even close. You're probably part of the 1% (or darn close to it).

    As I mentioned earlier, having enough of a mountain of cash and investments to kick back and goof around for a decade or three means you are FAR above the means of the majority of Americans.

    So enjoy it! :-)
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    Part of the 1%, ha... hardly! But you are right to a point, and I do feel fortunate to have this opportunity. I'll be retiring from my current job in just under a year at age 60, but I expect to work part-time at a job I enjoy until 64 or 65. Part time work will still leave me plenty of time to ride and travel. Our income will be modest, by many people's standards, but we'll have enough to get by and do the things we enjoy. One of the biggest benefits is that I'll have excellent heath care coverage as part of my retirement package. A small, affordable home and a simple lifestyle centered on outdoor activities is what makes this possible for us. My wife and I simply don't feel like we "need" a lot of the "trappings" (in all senses of the word) of what many people call "success". We also don't have any credit card debt, big loans to pay off, or kids to put through college, etc. The only "extravagance" is what I plan to spend on a couple of new bikes next year, but since riding keeps me young in heart and mind, I can easily justify that expense as a "need."

    I'm not sure what your circumstances are. You mentioned having a financial setback in a previous post. We've weathered a few of those ourselves. But is it possible you, like many Americans, think you "need" more than you actually do? All the best, VB
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    Yeah, you don't have to be obscenely rich to retire before 60. My wife and I together make mid-$70k before taxes-I'm not sure that even counts as middle class any more. All it takes is a little planning, some sacrifices, and learning to live frugally. I've been saving toward retirement for 25 years, Anne's been doing so even longer I think. We have no kids, mortgage is paid off, we have few expenses or debts. I hope and believe we can comfortably retire at or even before age 60. I really want to go while I'm still young enough to ride and enjoy life a bit before I'm too decrepit!
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    This is a great thread. Interesting to see other perspectives, along with the place suggestions.

    Living in Montreal is great in the summers. I hate the cold, so ideally I would love to leave from Jan to mid March every year. Turned 50 this year, my goal would be to leave during those months by the age of 55.

    Love the idea of Arizona, some of the pics other bikers put up are spectacular. Only I also love the ocean, and would love a place with biking and the ocean.

    If I could afford to retire today and spend my time outdoors from this age onward? ABSOLUTELY!

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    1%, hardly. I got a decent pension after serving in the Canadian Army, and RCAF. Could have stayed til age 60 but it wouldn't have increased my pension by much. Smaller house, low taxes, great riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cptjack View Post
    North Georgia is not hot ( I can see why someone might think that because ga is beyond hot). Not expensive. With mass mountain trails...
    That's where i plan on going.Been there abouts a couple of times , beautiful area.
    It's got mtns , streams , and lots of good riding .SHHHHHHHHH don't tell everyone !

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    While it has been hinted at, I'm surprised Durango Colorado has not been mentioned directly.
    I too am biased because I live here, but there is great mountain and road biking, skiing, no interstate nearby, 6 brewpubs, a college, and access to more diverse locations than just about anywhere. In the winter. Moab is only 2.5 hours away, Sedona is only 5. And in the summer, we have some of the best high country riding in the state, just 30 minutes away.
    I don't know that there is anything particularly geared towards retired folks, but if you want a town of like minded, outdoor orientated folks of every age, it is certainly here.
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    Okay, I'll throw in my 2 cents...

    Fountain Hills, AZ(winter) / Durango, CO(summer). The wife and I are in our early fifties and not retired. McDowell Mtn park in our backyard in AZ and Raider Ridge in our backyard in CO. The cost of living is cheap in AZ and the Mayo clinic is down the road. Read the post above for a Durango description. 7.5 hour hi-way drive door-to-door.

    And please don't give me that b.s. about the 1% as both my wife and I have saved since leaving college and continue to bust our asses. If you want to retire at a decent age you need to live beneath your means, set some goals and invest your money wisely. If you're a trust fund baby, inherited a bunch of money or business then good for you otherwise you need to plan wisely for early retirement. 😉

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    Why retire to any one place is my opinion. I am planning on retiring in a couple of more years, sell the house here in Seattle, buy a trailer, and then the wife and I will set out on the 2 year, at least, trip that we have always wanted. I am forever cruising the web checking out the vibe of all the different places we all read about. Keeping a list. Love the vibe of Prescott; "yeah we can give you a map but why don't you stop by the bike shop. I am sure there will be a local hanging out that would love to show you around". Driggs ID, with TetonMTB and TVTAP looks very promising. And of course there is always all of Utah. Price UT springs mind right now. I am very excited about the journey ahead. Glorious, Simply Glorious.
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    Isn't Craig Bierly from Seattle area, and did a similar thing in his sprinter. I believe he hangs out in Sedona mostly.
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    I don't know Craig but I have a friend in Tucson that does the Sprinter thing for half the year when he is not working. I want a little more comfort for me and the wife myself. Plus she doesn't bike (mobility issues) and needs some place nice to hang out when she isn't shuttling me or I am out riding. Plus the trailer makes a great base/hangout when you meet people on the trail.

    Sedona has some really cool stuff but it gets a little hot during the summer. According to the NOAA app, Heber Valley, Ut is just about perfect for me right now. It is hanging right around 55/76 so not too cold and not too hot.

    As a brief aside, one really cool thing about our online community is it makes a great way to hook up with people when you are traveling. Cool stuff.

    Hmmmmm,.....as big believer in lots of forums for more traffic to a site that might be an idea for another one; traveling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba View Post

    Fortunately, we live in North Jersey.
    New Jersey is a beautiful state. Property taxes though are through the roof and I couldn't imagine retiring there unless I had a huge retirement cash cushion just to pay that huge property tax nut. I lived in N. NJ for 20 years, miss the Italian food. It's a great place to enjoy a high professional salary, but at a cost..

    For $hits and giggles I just zillowed my old house in Bernardsville - 2500 sq/ft house on a 19,000 sq/ft lot Zestimate $954K with 2014 property taxes of....ready for it..$14,544!

    As a comparison, my house in western metro Denver area: 3800 sq/ft on 17,000 sq/ft lot zestimate $485K and $2,600 in property taxes.

    Snow sports - take your pick some of the best big mtn terrain in the country. I can be at Loveland/A-Basin in an hour and change, Vail in under 2. GJ/Fruita in under 4 hours, Moab 5.5 hours. Local riding is stellar as well, but getting busy during the weekends.

    What I struggle with is the snow in March and April in Denver. We are all done with it and want to push into spring. The goal is to have the house paid off and I would get a tow-behind RV for some camping in warmer weather during the fringe months. Tucson is an easy 14 hour drive. We ran into a couple from MA rolling through town who just purchased a 2015 Forest River Vibe Extreme Lite 308BH, Little Falls MN - - RVtrader.com and he gets 12 mpg pulling it with a F150 Ecoboost. Said it pulled 65 up Loveland/Vail passes and "barely knew it was there"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbrossman View Post
    Isn't Craig Bierly from Seattle area, and did a similar thing in his sprinter. I believe he hangs out in Sedona mostly.
    Craig has been doing it for awhile now, we always enjoy his visits to the Zuni Mountains!

    Quote Originally Posted by SlimL View Post

    As a brief aside, one really cool thing about our online community is it makes a great way to hook up with people when you are traveling. Cool stuff.

    Hmmmmm,.....as big believer in lots of forums for more traffic to a site that might be an idea for another one; traveling.
    Great idea!
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    Moab

    Hiking, river rafting, fishing/hunting, Lake Powell, 4x4, great backcountry and groomed XC skiing and snowmobiling in the winter in the mountains while it is generally really nice in town, great library, great arts scene, relatively low property taxes and other expenses, small but well equipped hospital, new USU campus will (probably) be built by the time I get there so there will be educational opportunities, etc. etc. etc.

    Oh and there are a few mountain bike trails there, too.

    Not for everyone, but perfect for me. I can't wait to get out of the clusterf**k that the Colorado Front Range is becoming.

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    This November marks 4 years since retirement. I mention this as what WAS supposedly our dream (travel) didn't pan out, and things NEVER considered (Mountain biking) could turn out to be the best part of the day.

    Have several hobbies. doing the same thing every day gets booooooorrrrrrrrring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    Moab

    Hiking, river rafting, fishing/hunting, Lake Powell, 4x4, great backcountry and groomed XC skiing and snowmobiling in the winter in the mountains while it is generally really nice in town, great library, great arts scene, relatively low property taxes and other expenses, small but well equipped hospital, new USU campus will (probably) be built by the time I get there so there will be educational opportunities, etc. etc. etc.

    Oh and there are a few mountain bike trails there, too.

    Not for everyone, but perfect for me. I can't wait to get out of the clusterf**k that the Colorado Front Range is becoming.
    What's happening to the FR to make it a CF? I honestly am curious...

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    What's happening to the FR to make it a CF? I honestly am curious...
    The bottom line is too many people. This affects mountain biking in that all of the accessible trails are crowded after working hours and on weekends, sometimes so crowded you can't even park at the trailheads. Even if you can find a place to park, you end up only being able to ride a minute or two at a time on singletrack because you are constantly having to stop to yield to hikes/horses/other riders. So, you have to drive to get away from everyone, but the highways are jammed, too. You don't dare go to the high country unless you can go Monday-Thursday, unless you like sitting in traffic jams. Like to ski? Forget that for the same reasons, unless you are rich enough to buy a condo near a ski area. Even then, you can forget DH skiing on weekends or holiday periods. Too crowded.


    If you were retired right now, today, you could deal by riding/skiing/hiking during the week, but my retirement is 5-7 years out. When I moved here in the late 80's, the population on the FR was about 1.5 million. Now, it is over 3 million, by the time I retire it will be 4 million, and by the time I die it will likely be 6-8 million. The main close in trails are on the west side of the Denver metro, and between Lakewood and Longmont there are over 30,000 houses already approved and in the process of being built. The trail use has doubled just in the past few years in Jeffco and Boulder, and another 75,000 people will be landing in the next 2-4 years as those houses are built. Add to that the population growth in the eastern metro, at least a few of those people drive out and ride, and it is just not enjoyable any more.

    I do many other things besides ride, and they all have the same issues. I used to shoot trap, and when I moved here there were three gun clubs within thirty minutes of my house, and two designated National Forest ranges. EVERY SINGLE ONE has closed. The closest public trap is now over an hour away, and there are ZERO sanctioned shooting areas in the National Forest.

    They finally opened Gross Reservoir to kayaking a few years ago, so I bought a kayak. The first few years were fine. Now, if you aren't parked at the ramp by 9 AM, you can't get within a mile of it.

    DH skiing? Even if you want to deal with the traffic, even discounted lift tickets are $50-70. I used to go to Eldora a lot, but they close the parking lot on good days now, due to being at capacity.

    I moved here for the outdoor rec opportunities, and I decided I could put up with the city/suburb life for the job opportunities combined with the convenient and relatively uncrowded rec. It has all changed. People from the east and west coasts love it when they move here, but they are used to being ******* to elbow everywhere they go. I grew up in a small town in the midwest, my wife grew up on a farm, and we just aren't cut out for this crap. On top of all of this, the cost of living is getting stupid. Yes, property taxes are low, but CO has figured out how to get the money back through fees, tolls and sales taxes. Housing is ridiculous now, but since we bought many years ago, we are OK with that aspect. I can't believe what people are paying to live in extremely poorly built houses on postage stamp lots next to highways, train tracks, superfund sites, garbage dumps, etc. The builders here cut corners at every phase, and the owners are stuck with the issues 10 years down the line. I saw it when they built Rock Creek, and I see it now with all of the crap they are building between Lakewood and Longmont. Not to mention the very idea of having a $500,000 "single family" house so close to the one next door you can hear your neighbor fart. You would be better off in a townhouse or apartment where they at least have sound barriers.

    Think Silicon Valley. Chicago suburbs. Houston. Dallas. That is what the FR has become.

    Not. For. Us.

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    I retired three years ago at age 61 and live in a little town in Marin County called San Anselmo. I've lived here my entire life and my wife is still employed as the Pastry Chef at a local restaurant/deli.

    Gary Fisher lived in the neighborhood before moving to San Francisco and the weather is perfect for riding all year long. I rode the Hoo Koo E Koo trail two days ago that was the name of one of Fisher's mountain bikes and ride Mount Tamalpais three days a week.

    I own my home so I can live off my pension and my wife's income. Life is prertty good so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matuchi View Post
    I retired three years ago at age 61 and live in a little town in Marin County called San Anselmo. I've lived here my entire life and my wife is still employed as the Pastry Chef at a local restaurant/deli.

    Gary Fisher lived in the neighborhood before moving to San Francisco and the weather is perfect for riding all year long. I rode the Hoo Koo E Koo trail two days ago that was the name of one of Fisher's mountain bikes and ride Mount Tamalpais three days a week.

    I own my home so I can live off my pension and my wife's income. Life is prertty good so far.
    A little crowded for my taste, but a nice area for sure. Love the climate in Marin. But with a median home price of over $1 million, it's hard for average Joes to retire there, unless you were raised there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by veloborealis View Post
    A little crowded for my taste, but a nice area for sure. Love the climate in Marin. But with a median home price of over $1 million, it's hard for average Joes to retire there, unless you were raised there.
    I was born in Ross Hospital in 1951 and grew up here and lived my entire live in Marin. Many years ago you could afford to buy a home with a decent full time job. I could not afford to move here if I was buying now.

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    I was born in Boulder, CO in 1951.
    My wife and I are retired 2 years now in the PacNW. We sold the house in the mountains but not just because the snow sucked last year. Hoping to hang out in Whistler and Whitefish in winter, and summer on the sailboat we live on in Puget Sound. Last summer included some bluegrass in Ladysmith, BC, and crabbing in Sucia. Sailing (like mountain biking) is a lot more awesome when you don't have deadlines.
    Just returned from 3 months in Europe and waiting for the snow to dump! Mt Biking fills in any time in the NW. We do ride in the rain and sleet!
    Bought a cargo bike for grocery shopping and riding to the pub! I keep it on the deck when cruising.
    I still work as custodian on our investment properties on occasion to beat the doldrums of drinking too early! not that it always wins (wink, wink, know wha aye mean)
    I am trying to get my wife to move to Bellingham, WA. We lived there many moons ago! Great snowboarding and mountaineering, great sailing and biking, small college town with a great attitude and close to Seattle and Vancouver, BC (not to mention Whistler!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    The bottom line is too many people. This affects mountain biking in that all of the accessible trails are crowded after working hours and on weekends, sometimes so crowded you can't even park at the trailheads. Even if you can find a place to park, you end up only being able to ride a minute or two at a time on singletrack because you are constantly having to stop to yield to hikes/horses/other riders. So, you have to drive to get away from everyone, but the highways are jammed, too. You don't dare go to the high country unless you can go Monday-Thursday, unless you like sitting in traffic jams. Like to ski? Forget that for the same reasons, unless you are rich enough to buy a condo near a ski area. Even then, you can forget DH skiing on weekends or holiday periods. Too crowded.


    If you were retired right now, today, you could deal by riding/skiing/hiking during the week, but my retirement is 5-7 years out. When I moved here in the late 80's, the population on the FR was about 1.5 million. Now, it is over 3 million, by the time I retire it will be 4 million, and by the time I die it will likely be 6-8 million. The main close in trails are on the west side of the Denver metro, and between Lakewood and Longmont there are over 30,000 houses already approved and in the process of being built. The trail use has doubled just in the past few years in Jeffco and Boulder, and another 75,000 people will be landing in the next 2-4 years as those houses are built. Add to that the population growth in the eastern metro, at least a few of those people drive out and ride, and it is just not enjoyable any more.

    I do many other things besides ride, and they all have the same issues. I used to shoot trap, and when I moved here there were three gun clubs within thirty minutes of my house, and two designated National Forest ranges. EVERY SINGLE ONE has closed. The closest public trap is now over an hour away, and there are ZERO sanctioned shooting areas in the National Forest.

    They finally opened Gross Reservoir to kayaking a few years ago, so I bought a kayak. The first few years were fine. Now, if you aren't parked at the ramp by 9 AM, you can't get within a mile of it.

    DH skiing? Even if you want to deal with the traffic, even discounted lift tickets are $50-70. I used to go to Eldora a lot, but they close the parking lot on good days now, due to being at capacity.

    I moved here for the outdoor rec opportunities, and I decided I could put up with the city/suburb life for the job opportunities combined with the convenient and relatively uncrowded rec. It has all changed. People from the east and west coasts love it when they move here, but they are used to being ******* to elbow everywhere they go. I grew up in a small town in the midwest, my wife grew up on a farm, and we just aren't cut out for this crap. On top of all of this, the cost of living is getting stupid. Yes, property taxes are low, but CO has figured out how to get the money back through fees, tolls and sales taxes. Housing is ridiculous now, but since we bought many years ago, we are OK with that aspect. I can't believe what people are paying to live in extremely poorly built houses on postage stamp lots next to highways, train tracks, superfund sites, garbage dumps, etc. The builders here cut corners at every phase, and the owners are stuck with the issues 10 years down the line. I saw it when they built Rock Creek, and I see it now with all of the crap they are building between Lakewood and Longmont. Not to mention the very idea of having a $500,000 "single family" house so close to the one next door you can hear your neighbor fart. You would be better off in a townhouse or apartment where they at least have sound barriers.

    Think Silicon Valley. Chicago suburbs. Houston. Dallas. That is what the FR has become.

    Not. For. Us.
    Sounds like Seattle to me. Born and raised here and can't wait to get out. I understand that it is great for some but you know; different spokes for different folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matuchi View Post
    I was born in Ross Hospital in 1951 and grew up here and lived my entire live in Marin. Many years ago you could afford to buy a home with a decent full time job. I could not afford to move here if I was buying now.
    I have family scattered along the stretch of coast between Pacifica and Half Moon Bay. I love the Coast Range trails between there and SC, as well as the climate. I would love to retire there, but there's just no way. The little 900 sq. ft. cottage my grandfather built for $5K in 1955 (land included, 1/4 acre lot), just sold for $775K, one of the cheapest properties in the area. Sold to family, so it's still standing. Most potential buyers would have torn the house down and rebuilt. Makes me wish (kinda) I'd followed by Bay Area cousins into the building trades instead of going off to college and moving to Alaska. Still looking forward to heading south to AZ in a year, though, where I can ride year round AND afford to live.
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    [QUOTE'.......Still looking forward to heading south to AZ in a year, though, where I can ride year round AND afford to live.[/QUOTE]

    Got that right. While Tucson still seems a little hot for me right now, Prescott looks just about perfect.

    Heber City in Utah also.
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    sold our place in PC Feb 2014 and have not got back except to visit. we live in the mid atlantic and have been thinking about finding a community in PC. My wife does not ride and thinks we need one of the golf club communities to really meet people...what are your thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcitron View Post
    sold our place in PC Feb 2014 and have not got back except to visit. we live in the mid atlantic and have been thinking about finding a community in PC. My wife does not ride and thinks we need one of the golf club communities to really meet people...what are your thoughts?
    I don't golf so I don't know what a golf community would be like. But as long as there are other people that are doing the things that you enjoy also, there probably would be a group that you could hook up with. I do a few different things so I always find ways to hook up with people. Though the other side of that coin is I am one of my favorite people to spend time with.

    This is specially true with the tourist based town. Prescott's MTB club provides an email addy to get in contact with someone to ride with. Driggs, ID has the TVTAP which is both bike and X-Country skiing. Just to name a few.

    If you're a joiner, you probably could meet people any where you go. Sign up for a few newsletters and you will see what I mean.
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    In the EastBay in N. Cal and am basically retired. I plan on doing some part time stuff but I find plenty to do around the house. I ride daily as I'm only a mile from trails and quiet. I have one in college and one still in HS so until the wife and I know where they might end up we are staying put. We have traveled the entire coast and every state west of Colorado with our trailer to see where we might like to move someday. Weather wise N.Cal is hard to beat but our $'s go so much farther elsewhere. We loved the Boise area, parts of Colorado, and AZ but all have limitations for riding during the year. Bend,OR is fantastic but overall cost isn't much different then the BayArea.
    I guess we could stay as a home base and just invest in a big RV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    Not for everyone, but perfect for me. I can't wait to get out of the clusterf**k that the Colorado Front Range is becoming.
    Half the people moving to Durango are from that side of the hill, including myself. I travel back for work occasionally, I can hardly wait to leave once I'm there.
    And with like 1000 brew pubs, why can't I find one with a happy hour?
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    I am trying to get my wife to move to Bellingham, WA. We lived there many moons ago! Great snowboarding and mountaineering, great sailing and biking, small college town with a great attitude and close to Seattle and Vancouver, BC (not to mention Whistler!)

    Retirement sucks!
    Bellingham has always interested me, I spent some time there with friends when I was a graduate student at WSU. Our children are on the west coast now, so it Bellingham would put us closer to them.
    So while me and my asthma would appreciate the abundance of air out there, it is sure would be a difficult transition from SW weather to PNW weather.
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    Half the people moving to Durango are from that side of the hill, including myself. I travel back for work occasionally, I can hardly wait to leave once I'm there.

    And with like 1000 brew pubs, why can't I find one with a happy hour?
    You cannot find a brewpub with a happy hour for the same reason you can't find a studio apartment for $1000/mo: (some) businesses are booming, and people are spending money like there is no tomorrow. Why sell for $3.50 when you can get $5?

    There was an article in the Denver Post last weekend about just how urban the Front Range has become. No surprise here, but I'm guessing many people from "elsewhere" would be surprised:

    Colorado rurality an urban legend - The Denver Post

    We've had a good run on the Front Range, but believe me, we are counting down until we can GTFO. I can't imagine anyone retiring here, but obviously I am in the minority, because there are 55+ retirement communities popping up.

    The next five years are going to be a challenge for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbrossman View Post
    Bellingham has always interested me, I spent some time there with friends when I was a graduate student at WSU. Our children are on the west coast now, so it Bellingham would put us closer to them.
    So while me and my asthma would appreciate the abundance of air out there, it is sure would be a difficult transition from SW weather to PNW weather.
    A good friend of mine who is a Colorado native and who has never lived anywhere else, just retired to Bellingham, and five years ago our next-door neighbors, also CO natives, retired there. They love it.

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    Albuquerque for a medium sized city. You can ride all year or go skiing in the winter (depends on the winter). Outstanding road riding as the shoulders are huge and bike paths extensive plus excellent mtb. No humidity, no bugs, limited culture, cheap housing, 2.5 hour drive from Mexico and 6 hours to Sedona or Moab.
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    Prescott or Sedona for a small town.

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    Retired last May and just turned 61. Loving ever minute of it so far, but it was definitely a change from a well paying, but relatively high stress position. Felt like jumping out of a moving vehicle at first!

    We were fortunate enough to have a solid plan that we have been working on for quite some time, and also sought professional guidance with Financial Planning.

    Surprised to see the negative comments on retirement, but it is definitely a very personal choice. One post in particular seems to think that retirement is a binary choice. You retire and you sit and await the grim reaper, or you keep working! I'm sure there are people that do that, but there are tons of levels in-between. I gave my self one year to just play and do whatever the hell I want to and then I plan to either work part time or get significantly involved with a volunteering effort. I have plenty to keep me busy!

    In regards to location we're in the Sierra Foothills on Lake Folsom. I can roll out of my garage and be on the trails in about 4 minutes. Its awesome and I ride 2-4 times a week locally with trips to the multitude of other areas in-between. I'm also a big motorcycle guy and the riding around here is spectacular. Yosemite to the south, Tahoe, Lassen, out to the coast, wine country, all lots of fun. If you ski, Tahoe is a little over an hour away. Sacramento and the Bay Area 90 minutes provide just about anything you can think of from an entertainment, arts and dining experience.

    Great year round MTB riding with the exception of a couple of months in the summer that get pretty toasty, but our group is usually out on the trails by 6:30am so its still great.

    CA isn't for everyone, as pointed out. It is not retirement friendly from a financial perspective, but the majority of Northern CA is a pretty cool place to live. East of Sacramento in the foothills is pretty affordable compared to the Bay. The Bay Area is just nuts price wise and the bubble keeps growing. Scary stuff.

    The only other place we would consider is the Portland, OR area since we spent 8 years there and loved it except for the gray and overcast winter. If you don't ride in mud and rain, you don't ride, but the summer months are spectacular. We lived across the river in Vancouver so no state income tax and Oregon has no sales tax, so its the best of both worlds. We also lived in Seattle, but that was even worse weather wise and I need sun!

    Good luck to all the future MTB retirees figuring out which locale makes the most sense to their particular situation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by granpa View Post
    Albuquerque for a medium sized city. You can ride all year or go skiing in the winter (depends on the winter). Outstanding road riding as the shoulders are huge and bike paths extensive plus excellent mtb. No humidity, no bugs, limited culture, cheap housing, 2.5 hour drive from Mexico and 6 hours to Sedona or Moab.
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    Prescott or Sedona for a small town.
    The problem with ABQ is the crime rate, real or perceived. I know that north of ABQ there are some great places, but my friend who lives up there has a super expensive security system on his house and packs heat everywhere he goes. I asked him if things were really that bad, and he just looked at me and "Yes!". He is retiring to Pagosa Springs.

    One thing I can say about the FR that is positive is that the overall crime rate is not terribly high, and most of the crime is predictable in both location and situation. Yes, if you make a habit of hanging in LoDo until the bars close you are going to have some issues, and Denver has its 'hoods that you want to steer clear from but outside of that, crime is not that bad.

    If you live in the burbs and have a "normal" life, you will probably be OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    The problem with ABQ is the crime rate, real or perceived.

    Can't argue with a local that say's that, however I've talked with numerous "locals" that say that the crime is more relegated to the "high crime areas" that most cities have. IE, don't go there and you won't have problems.
    I don't know personally, but I think ABQ has everything I'm looking for in a community, re recreation, sufficient airport (SWA...yeah), proximity to other recreation, dry, temperate climate. Just wished I knew more about the real crime scene.
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    Well put Abq. on your list to visit and we'll do a ride. The state is poor and burglary is random and rampant. Violent crime is (mostly) confined to criminals shooting/stabbing each other. If you're not prone to bar hopping at 2 in the morning your OK.

    There is a huge road riding community and large mtb. community. The closest mountain biking is in the foothills east of the city and in many places its an easy ride to the trails out of your door.

    There is a huge hispanic community which may be a bit of a culture shock depending on where your from.

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    70's, sunshine and 60+ miles of single track and not a soul in sight...

    For you guys tired of the crowded front range, Cali, etc, here's an option for you... Fountain Hills, AZ. Blow up the pic. Do you see crowds on the trail looking down the mountain ? I thought not ! Also, you have Prescott, Sedona, Tucson and Flagstaff all within a two hour drive. ALL of these areas are at different elevations and have different types of riding terrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ob1Hoagie View Post
    For you guys tired of the crowded front range, Cali, etc, here's an option for you... Fountain Hills, AZ. Blow up the pic. Do you see crowds on the trail looking down the mountain ? I thought not ! Also, you have Prescott, Sedona, Tucson and Flagstaff all within a two hour drive. ALL of these areas are at different elevations and have different types of riding terrain.
    Is that McDowell Park? I put it on list to check out. Right along side your name :-)
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    What about Pine/Strawberry? I think they have a pretty extensive Mtb trail system. Downsides?
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    It's actually a view from the Scottsdale preserve which has trails that are directly connected to McDowell Mtn park. You can look at online maps for the Scottsdale preserve, McDowell Mtn park and the Fountain Hills preserve and view all of the interconnected trails. Scottsdale is continually adding land to their preserve which is going north right into Tonto National forest.

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    I'm just not that familiar w/the trails around Pine/Strawberry. I'd page some guys on this thread -> http://forums.mtbr.com/arizona/pine-...ls-866164.html
    and see if they can help you out.

    "Some" folks like to keep trails on the down-low in AZ ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ob1Hoagie View Post
    It's actually a view from the Scottsdale preserve which has trails that are directly connected to McDowell Mtn park. You can look at online maps for the Scottsdale preserve, McDowell Mtn park and the Fountain Hills preserve and view all of the interconnected trails. Scottsdale is continually adding land to their preserve which is going north right into Tonto National forest.
    Looks like a great place to ride. Ginie is already talking about going to Phoenix next year so I may hit you up for a place to ride or where to rent a bike. It's Tucson this year for Thanksgiving and a ride with SDMB.

    The only thing about Strawberry that I have on my list is Strawberry Mountain. Just time to go exploring I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ob1Hoagie View Post
    It's actually a view from the Scottsdale preserve which has trails that are directly connected to McDowell Mtn park. You can look at online maps for the Scottsdale preserve, McDowell Mtn park and the Fountain Hills preserve and view all of the interconnected trails. Scottsdale is continually adding land to their preserve which is going north right into Tonto National forest.
    We spend time in the Scottsdale area during late winter/spring. Have you ridden Brown's Ranch yet? I was mostly riding McD Mtn and Phx Preserve until this yr when someone told me about Brown's. Worth adding to your list of tracks to check out if haven't already.

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    I have Brown's Ranch on my list under Phoenix. I have heard that between McDowell Mountain, Scottsdale Preserve and Brown's Ranch there is over 100 miles of single track up there. I will never get that all done.
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    Interesting. I spent almost 3 years on sailboats, two of those years were on my own sloop. I preferred the South Pacific but that is a big step since you only really sail one way, with the wind. I'd love to hear how this works out.

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    3 years until I hang it up at 59.5 Palisade, western Colorado is where we live and where we'll stay. Lots of bike trails close here in the desert and the high country. Moab is 2 hours away. Bike 9 months of the year or more, ski our butt's off when we can't ride. hunt, fish, and live in a town with no stop lights. There's always New Zealand if winter gets too long.

    I don't get the retire and die attitude, they must not have enough curiosity and creativity.

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    Yup, Durango is where I'm headed. Retiring in a year and happy. I bought a house there a couple of years ago and have been fixing it up. I won't be bored because there is still plenty of work to do on the property. For the last 20 years work has seriously gotten in the way of my projects. So, I'll be busy.

    Travel the world? I know many disagree but traveling is way overrated (unless its to ride new trails). Been around the world and Like Dorothy said, "There's no place like home." We've arrived! Now what? I guess we eat.

    What can I say about cruises?, Been on several. Food was good. Now what?
    I found I was always wishing I was home and cycling, improving my home, flying RC, driving my Cobra, restoring my Land Cruiser, playing guitar, cooking, spending time with friends. Did I mention cycling?

    Yes, I think it's a good idea to include activities you like when deciding where to live. Hmm, Durango will shorten my Cobra driving season...Time for a fat bike.
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    Ha-ha...."top dining establishments"? That's comical. "Excellent bike shops"? Maybe talented, helpful employees but the "shops" are pathetic compared to a quality shop such as The Path or Bike Bling for starters. The best riding up there (by far) burned two years ago and will NEVER come back the way it was *per the guys at The Hub*.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zachariah View Post
    Idyllwild, CA(4600ft) has 40+ miles combined network of trails you can ride straight out of your front door, 300 days out of the year. Idyllwild has homes, starting at $25k to $450k. The riding locals consists of a 69-year-old singlespeeder, 86-year-old trail rider, a few CAT1 XC pros, a World-Class marathon racer and a bunch of bikepackers, mixed with a few trail enthusiasts. Two excellent bike shops are up there, who can do everything from fork, shock and suspension service....to alloy frame repair.

    For a retired biker - Idyllwild is literally a Country Club: with top dining establishments, hiking, nearby lakes.....all in a Alpine environment.

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    I'm going to guess you're not retired eh since you couldn't be more wrong. Admittedly, as someone posted above, retirement means something different to everybody but I retired last December after 31 years in my profession. I've lost weight, ride or workout in some way (6) days a week, many times twice a day. In just 10 months, I've been on MTB trips to Oregon, Sedona, Durango, St George twice on top of vacations to Cancun, Cabo twice, Chicago and Texas. For 2016, I already have MTB trips planned for St George, Moab and Durango on top of rafting the Grand Canyon and house boating on Lake Powell. So much for sitting around and waiting to die.

    As far as money, I have TRIPLE the money in my bank account now than I used to carry. it's all proper planning on going on trips with like minded folks to split the costs.


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    LOL....the general premise of "Retirement" is grossly over-rated. Many folks feel just because they paid their dues, busting their asses off for 25-30 years.....they can finally relax and go sedentary, the remainder of their lives. The reality is - once you go sedentary...the weight piles on, the pains increase, new ailments come forward, etc. Next thing you know - you're blowing your entire retirement savings....just to remain alive comfortably. By sitting in front of a TV or movie screen, swinging a golf club, or going on weight gain excursions(ie: cruises), you're basically expediting "waiting to die." Many folks never grasp the "use it or lose it" concept of keeping physically active, for life.

    My final days will be spent either working part-time, and staying as active as I am today....which includes lots of riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    If you are not enjoying retirement, you are doing it wrong.
    Exactly!! Ride on!!!

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    I have family out in Bayfield so I'm there every year for 10-14 days. I bike every other day when I'm there and generally like the area but Durango is too over-run and built up for my tastes. Real estate is also pricey compared to many other areas people are mentioning. If Phil's World was in Durango instead of Cortez, I may change my mind


    Quote Originally Posted by cbrossman View Post
    While it has been hinted at, I'm surprised Durango Colorado has not been mentioned directly.
    I too am biased because I live here, but there is great mountain and road biking, skiing, no interstate nearby, 6 brewpubs, a college, and access to more diverse locations than just about anywhere. In the winter. Moab is only 2.5 hours away, Sedona is only 5. And in the summer, we have some of the best high country riding in the state, just 30 minutes away.
    I don't know that there is anything particularly geared towards retired folks, but if you want a town of like minded, outdoor orientated folks of every age, it is certainly here.
    YMMV

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    I checked out last December after 31 years in law enforcement. We live in North San Diego County and I can ride 350 days a year. As it is, I ride one form of bike, go to the gym or hike/walk (6) days a week. But it's crowded, traffic sucks, CA taxes are ridiculous and the political scene is turning into a Bernie Sanders nirvana. My wife has an awesome job with great pay and benefits which is what keeps us here...and content for now. Once she gets burned out, we're outta here.

    Between mountain biking and/or skiing/snowboarding, I've been all over the Western US including 90% of the places mentioned over these (4) pages. I have family in Durango, a kid in Boise, another in the Texas Hill Country. I ride in Utah, AZ and Oregon every year and every place has their pluses and minuses. When the time comes, I'll make some sort of chart to compare the places I'm interested in (and where my wife is willing to live). MTB riding, proximity to a decent ski resort are important and I will also factor in where the kids are currently stationed as they are both officers in the Army.

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    Very good. Fact is life can be awesome if you want it to be that way. Good job People!

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    I love this thread! I am getting more good ideas on where I want to visit then I ever thought I could have. There are good trails everywhere. Maybe I won't ever stop being a gypsy. Specially now that my wife is buying into it.

    One of the things I really like is that we all are a little different, but all really enjoy good trails what ever we as individuals think they are. Ride On Old Guys

    My buddy from AZ suggested I look at Payson for some good places to ride. Hmmmmmm, sounds like a Google Challenge.

    As far as the downer guy on retirement, sounds like he might not have planned ahead.
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    We have friends that moved to Payson from North County San Diego 7-8 years ago and they love it. It's similar to the "wooded" ares of Prescott with very similar weather as well. Real estate prices are lower than Prescott but it's also more "secluded" which you may or may not like and your a long way from places like Costco which once again, may or may not be important to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    We have friends that moved to Payson from North County San Diego 7-8 years ago and they love it. It's similar to the "wooded" ares of Prescott with very similar weather as well. Real estate prices are lower than Prescott but it's also more "secluded" which you may or may not like and your a long way from places like Costco which once again, may or may not be important to you.
    Are your friends in Payson bikers? I do like the area, but I find it surprisingly devoid of biking trails. It is closer to me than Prescott or Flagstaff when I want to get out of the Phoenix heat, but it doesn’t have a lot of mountain biking trails. The geography and climate seem like they would be ideal, but the story I heard was that most of the decent trails got gobbled up by development. There are a few in-town trails that I think they want to continue to expand, and then a few things on the Mogollon rim, but living there I think I would have to develop some more outdoor hobbies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29er4ever View Post
    Are your friends in Payson bikers? I do like the area, but I find it surprisingly devoid of biking trails. It is closer to me than Prescott or Flagstaff when I want to get out of the Phoenix heat, but it doesn’t have a lot of mountain biking trails. The geography and climate seem like they would be ideal, but the story I heard was that most of the decent trails got gobbled up by development. There are a few in-town trails that I think they want to continue to expand, and then a few things on the Mogollon rim, but living there I think I would have to develop some more outdoor hobbies.
    No, no riding for them. He is a pastor at one of the churches (Mountain Bible) up there. I'm trying to plan a trip out to Prescott with the Mrs so we can look at some land. I want to get something sooner rather than later because Prescott is only getting more and more popular. Worst case scenario, I can sell the lot later as prices have only be going up there for years and will continue to do so as people age and look to flee the Phoenix metropolis.

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    I do have to admit that my buddy who told me about Payson was not a biker when he lived there. He just liked the area. It is in close proximity to Pine and Strawberry which I believe have a few trails going for it.
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    I retired from Proctor & Gamble in 2013 at age 58. They gave me the Trek 7.3 as a retirement gift so I started riding. I lost 42 pounds in the first 10 months. I bought the Specialized Jynx last February with part of my income tax refund because some of the places I ride around here are not compatible with the Trek. It also gave me more options of where I could ride.

    I live in S.E. Tennessee in the foothills of The Great Smokey Mountains so I ride a lot of rolling hills. We have a 44-acre farm WAY back in the country so I have miles and miles of rolling country roads. If you can't ride hills, well, you can't ride here! There are some I still can't ride over but I have plenty of miles I can ride. I can also put a bike in the truck and head to the MUT in the next town if I want to ride easy.

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    Yeah , I was thinking on the No. Georgia Mtns. Near the border of Tn. and N.C.
    How are the winters down there ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RIDESLOW View Post
    Yeah , I was thinking on the No. Georgia Mtns. Near the border of Tn. and N.C.
    How are the winters down there ?
    That would be really close to me. I'm between Knoxville and Chattanooga. Chattanooga has Enterprise South for paved and off-road trails. Knoxville has nice trails too.

    Weather in winter here is mild, especially compared to other places. We don't have a lot of snow or ice and what we do get is gone in a day or two. Beware though, we can't drive in it worth a flip. Snow here is extremely wet. We are still in the 60's during the day right now but have had a few nights in the upper 20's and 30's. Most of our really cold weather, 0-32, is in January and February. We rarely go below zero. I ride all winter in a light hoodie type jacket, knit hat under the helmet, and gloves. Summers here are brutal with high sticky humidity but early mornings and late evenings are fine.

    If you want to ride off-road trails they are plentiful, especially in our state parks. When I want to ride easy I go to the Cleveland Greenway in Cleveland TN since it's only 18 miles from me. It is 8-miles of riding/running/walking end to end (round trip) and has a lot of nature and wildlife.

    Here is a link to Enterprise South in Chattanooga.

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    Congrats on your somewhat recent retirement and newfound love of MTBing. Good for you...and beautiful country to live and ride in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGringo View Post
    Congrats on your somewhat recent retirement and newfound love of MTBing. Good for you...and beautiful country to live and ride in!
    Thanks! I am loving it. I have ridden off and on all my life for fun but the last 10-20 years I worked I didn't have time. I was working 12-hours a day on rotating shifts and work consumed my life. I have taken control of my life by retiring and have become very serious about my riding. I get seriously depressed if a day or two goes by that I'm not on the bike. I especially love the MTB since I can do anything and ride anywhere on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PineyRose View Post
    I have taken control of my life by retiring and have become very serious about my riding.
    Words to live by...literally.

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    Here I am, 20 minutes from DuPont State Forest and 20 minutes from Pisgah National Forest. DuPont is ready with 80 miles of trails/gravel roads for hikers, bikers and equestrians and Pisgah has more trails than I can ride in my lifetime. Numerous LBS and decent weather most of the time and I am home. Western North Carolina has been good to me. If I were somewhere else, I'd want to give this area a good look for retirement. This is as good as it gets, at least for me.

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    No one has mentioned our proposed retirement location so I'm hoping we're the only ones that want to go there. Maybe home prices and property taxes will still be low by time we semi-retire in 7-10 years.

    It's small (which is fine with us) but has world class riding and is 30 minutes from a bigger city for medical care, shopping, and entertainment.

    It's a little hot in the summers but not as bad as many places and cooler temps and snow in the winter for skiing are only 45 minutes away.

    One of my favorite National Parks (actually one if my favorite places on earth that I've visited so far) is thirty minutes away, Lake Powell is only 100 miles way. I'm a Mormon so living close to a temple is important and I won't mind living amongst them (although I may be wrong about this part).

    I'm an optometrist and enjoy my work so when I sell my practice and "retire" I won't mind working a couple days a week for someone else if I get bored or need to supplement our income.

    Yes, we're thinking about lowly Hurricane, UT.

    But first things first. When my son graduates from Optometry school in 2017 we want to take 2-3 months off and live/tour/ride in Europe.

    If I thought I could stand the wet weather and could figure out a way to stay in Canada full time as an American I'd love to live in Squamish BC too.
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    Yes, we're thinking about lowly Hurricane, UT.
    I love the Hurricane (and surrounding) area. I've entertained the idea of buying a home there to use as a rental for several years. If I was single, I'd move there in a second so I could live cheaply and ride as much as possible. I'm totally okay with what the area has to offer as it has Over the Edge & Costco which is pretty much anybody needs. Las Vegas is only (2) hours away for extreme entertainment.

    However, I'm not single and I do worry about "the Mormon equation". I have no issue with Mormons as where I grew up in SoCal, at least 50% of my friends were Mormon. That being said, I constantly read on the internet (and this board) about non-Mormon's having a hard time becoming part of the community as a whole. I hear the same thing about Boise so it's not just a Mormon thing. My wife is a very social person and I wouldn't want her feeling like an outsider wherever we decide to settle down.

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    Let me put in a good word for southern Oregon, specifically Ashland. We have been considering moving from CA to OR for a year or two and have been looking very closely at the Willamette Vally up north for its wine and woods. The abundance of rainy grey weather there caused us to look down by the CA/OR border instead.

    Ashland is great biking town with lots of infrastructure and trails. It gets a bit warmer than the Willamette, but it is still a lot cooler than most all of CA. Land and homes are still a relative bargain for those who have ridden the CA property value escalator up. The town is full of craft beer pubs and great restaurants as well as being the home of Southern Oregon University and the Shakespeare Festival, which brings in the visitors to support all the pubs. No OR sales tax either.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodlandHills View Post
    Land and homes are still a relative bargain for those who have ridden the CA property value escalator up...
    I also looked at Ashland (Maybe even Oakridge). So much fun riding in OR and weather is more mild and dry in Ashland and Medford than the coast. But you're right about relative bargains. I checked home prices in Ashland and quickly crossed it off my list as average homes were $300-400K which is a lot relative to where I'd be moving from. If you can sell your home in the Bay Area for $900K to 1m then that is a bargain. My 3200 sq foot home on 1/4 acre in rural Nevada OTOH will be lucky to go for $275-300K when I'm ready to sell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    I love the Hurricane (and surrounding) area. I've entertained the idea of buying a home there to use as a rental for several years. If I was single, I'd move there in a second so I could live cheaply and ride as much as possible. I'm totally okay with what the area has to offer as it has Over the Edge & Costco which is pretty much anybody needs. Las Vegas is only (2) hours away for extreme entertainment.

    However, I'm not single and I do worry about "the Mormon equation". I have no issue with Mormons as where I grew up in SoCal, at least 50% of my friends were Mormon. That being said, I constantly read on the internet (and this board) about non-Mormon's having a hard time becoming part of the community as a whole. I hear the same thing about Boise so it's not just a Mormon thing. My wife is a very social person and I wouldn't want her feeling like an outsider wherever we decide to settle down.
    Not to turn this into a "can you live with Mormons" discussion, but I've lived in a town where I'm a minority as a Mormon all my life which I think I prefer, but I've heard some of these small Utah towns can be a bit cliquish and I also think Utah Mormons have their own "we're special" attitude sometimes. For the most part though I think we're a pretty friendly people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    For the most part though I think we're a pretty friendly people.
    ABSOLUTELY agree with this statement and I've said many times that even though nobody is perfect and based on MY experiences "if everybody was Mormon, the world would be a much better place". Like I said, that cliquish behavior exists in many forms outside of Utah and outside of any particular religion. I only brought up the issue since you made a point in your OP about being Mormon and commented "I won't mind living amongst them".

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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post

    However, I'm not single and I do worry about "the Mormon equation". I have no issue with Mormons as where I grew up in SoCal, at least 50% of my friends were Mormon. That being said, I constantly read on the internet (and this board) about non-Mormon's having a hard time becoming part of the community as a whole. I hear the same thing about Boise so it's not just a Mormon thing. My wife is a very social person and I wouldn't want her feeling like an outsider wherever we decide to settle down.
    Consider Moab. Moab is one of only three municipalities in Utah in which the population is not majority Mormon (SLC and PC are the other two). In fact, the Mormons are pissed because Moab just became the first place in Utah with a government council (City Council, County Commission, etc.) that is not completely dominated by Mormons.

    I have no problem with Mormons in general, the vast majority are great, but they are cliquish, for certain. Not a problem in Moab at this point, as there is a vibrant arts scene, festivals, beer, coffee, ethnic food, charter schools, etc. It really is Colorado without the weed. YMMV.

    We are targeting Moab, but if something changes, there are many places in the four corners area I could deal with. Mancos, Montrose, Fruita, Flagstaff, Pagosa Springs, Dolores, even Monticello, although the Mormon influence still rules there.

    I've thought about other parts of the country, but I can't find anywhere as outdoor friendly, great weather, small enough to ride to everything, and inexpensive enough to consider, while still having a live and let live attitude. Jeesus, I can't stand what Boulder and the rest of the Front Range have become. The government has no bounds, and no checks in Colorado, and they won't stop until they become even more whacked and controlling than California, in fact, Boulder itself is already there. I can't stand social engineering. Boulder is one big social engineering experiment, and mountain bikes are one of the key targets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    Consider Moab. Moab is one of only three municipalities in Utah in which the population is not majority Mormon (SLC and PC are the other two). In fact, the Mormons are pissed because Moab just became the first place in Utah with a government council (City Council, County Commission, etc.) that is not completely dominated by Mormons.

    I have no problem with Mormons in general, the vast majority are great, but they are cliquish, for certain. Not a problem in Moab at this point, as there is a vibrant arts scene, festivals, beer, coffee, ethnic food, charter schools, etc. It really is Colorado without the weed. YMMV.

    We are targeting Moab, but if something changes, there are many places in the four corners area I could deal with. Mancos, Montrose, Fruita, Flagstaff, Pagosa Springs, Dolores, even Monticello, although the Mormon influence still rules there.

    I've thought about other parts of the country, but I can't find anywhere as outdoor friendly, great weather, small enough to ride to everything, and inexpensive enough to consider, while still having a live and let live attitude. Jeesus, I can't stand what Boulder and the rest of the Front Range have become. The government has no bounds, and no checks in Colorado, and they won't stop until they become even more whacked and controlling than California, in fact, Boulder itself is already there. I can't stand social engineering. Boulder is one big social engineering experiment, and mountain bikes are one of the key targets.
    No Moab in my future. I've vacationed there and will be going back next October but I couldn't live there year round. A little too desolate for me and I'm not a huge fan of the town itself. I like downtown Fruita and Palisade but not sure my wife would like that area. I like Pagosa alot during the Summer but we have family with acreage in Durango so we'll be there several months per year if necessary to escape heat wherever we end up. To be honest, I'm personally all over the map and the biggest reason is because I'm personally not too picky...give me a "smaller" town and a community that has paved streets with city water & sewer and I can find good stuff about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    No Moab in my future. I've vacationed there and will be going back next October but I couldn't live there year round. A little too desolate for me and I'm not a huge fan of the town itself. I like downtown Fruita and Palisade but not sure my wife would like that area. I like Pagosa alot during the Summer but we have family with acreage in Durango so we'll be there several months per year if necessary to escape heat wherever we end up. To be honest, I'm personally all over the map and the biggest reason is because I'm personally not too picky...give me a "smaller" town and a community that has paved streets with city water & sewer and I can find good stuff about it.
    I'm pretty sure all of the streets in Moab are now paved.

    As for "desolate", the La Sals are 20 minutes away and are almost exactly like the San Juans. You can't get any better than the desert/mountains/water (mountain lakes,Colorado River, Lake Powell, other reservoirs) combination IMHO.

    To each his own. Moab is starting down the path taken by a lot of other resort towns in some ways, and no one really wants that. But no one knows how to stop it, either. Thank God Moab is four hours from the nearest large city, or it would be another Vail by now.

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    As for retirement plans, not for about another 10-11 years which is fine by me. I'm in no hurry, like what I do, and want to maximize my retirement benefits via longevity.

    As to where, possibly south of NYS. We get taxed up the ass and the cold weather may be a bummer when I hit the age of 60 or so. North Carolina comes to mind; great riding down there both off and on the road.
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    While I'm probably 10 years out for both financial (last kid in college next year) and life goals (though the job is taxing at the moment, I love it and want to keep doing it) I do know that the town we end up in will need to have a University or a legitimate 4-year college. I've spent my entire life in a college or University town and know I can't live without that atmosphere. Even a few days in some place without that particular form of energy makes me go dead inside. I have a lot of history and family ties in Durango and even my "non-academic" parents and siblings take advantage of Fort Lewis College offerings (sports to arts). I gave a research seminar at Fort Lewis once and there were a couple of old guys in the audience who weren't on the faculty -- they were retired chemists from industry who would just come to the weekly seminars to stay mentally engaged and drink beer with faculty and students afterwards. That'll be me in 10 years, but I will certainly have ridden there on a bike. And I have to be able to ski too. So, places like Durango, Laramie, Bozeman, Missoula and maybe Flagstaff (but AZ politics make WY seem progressive by comparison) top the list. Grand Junction maybe, but the skiing is too far away. Gunnison perhaps, but Wasted State might not be "real enough".
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeT View Post
    Grand Junction maybe, but the skiing is too far away. Gunnison perhaps, but Wasted State might not be "real enough".
    Living on the Front Range, I'd kill to have the skiing as close as they have it in Grand Junction. Powderhorn is actually pretty fun, and is less than an hour. Sunlight 1:45, Snowmass 2:15, Telluride 2:30. Hell, it often takes three hours each way to Summit County from Boulder, and then you are skiing with the hoards. Also, the XC skiing on Grand Mesa is awesome. I'm not sure Mesa State is any more "real" than Western though. As far as I'm concerned, the only real college towns in Colorado are Boulder and Ft. Collins, and Boulder is such a cluster you'd be a fool to retire here.

    Gunnison is just too damn cold.

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    Cool thread, alot of good ideas.
    I'm surprised no one has mentioned Arkansas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimitrin View Post
    Cool thread, alot of good ideas.
    I'm surprised no one has mentioned Arkansas.
    Isn't that where Deliverance was filmed? Only kidding. I I spent some time in AR during college...had a couple friends from the Hot Springs area. I recall that part of the Ozarks being beautiful country & having a lot to offer. What's the MTBing like?

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    I have liked what I read so far about Arkansas and I have dear friends in Heber Springs. I think the humidity is what would get me. I am looking forward to spending a lot of time around Hurricane, Price, Ceder City, etc. On account of Ginie and I playing gypsy for a couple of years at least we are looking for good camping for the trailer and a trailhead close by. That way I can ride off in the morning and come back and make us breakfast after a morning ride. Both Hurricane and Price of that in spades.

    Never been to Moab, but with the 250,000 people that visit there every year, don't know if I could stand the population increase.

    Maybe Stanley, ID. Population 67.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowdownhill View Post
    Here I am, 20 minutes from DuPont State Forest and 20 minutes from Pisgah National Forest. DuPont is ready with 80 miles of trails/gravel roads for hikers, bikers and equestrians and Pisgah has more trails than I can ride in my lifetime. Numerous LBS and decent weather most of the time and I am home. Western North Carolina has been good to me. If I were somewhere else, I'd want to give this area a good look for retirement. This is as good as it gets, at least for me.
    Heads up western NC MTBers...this doesn't sound good.

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    After fifteen years in Knoxville (Oak Ridge) I finally escaped the humidity and moved back West. I can appreciate the riding, I helped many trails in the area, but even though there's year round riding, the humidity makes the riding miserable six months of the year.

    We looked in a lot of places, could have moved anywhere, chose a small town on the dry side of the Cascades. Wenatchee has a growing riding community, skiing fifteen minutes from town, hiking out my back door, housing prices are moderate, so much sunshine in the summers it's amazing, striking distance to Seattle riding, BC, etc... Low elevation means relatively warm winters, summers can be hot. I rarely see another rider on the trails.

    There's no perfect place, if there are lots of trails, there are lots of riders, most places are either hot, cold, wet, or overpopulated. Wenatchee is like pre-Bend, but not as cold, better skiing, less isolated, and no bro culture.

    If I had to choose differently, I'd look at GJ/Fruita or Durango, maybe Bend.

    Oh, and those looking at the PNW, be very aware of the dark, it is waaaay more real than you can imagine, not for southerners, so be wary if you haven't lived here through a winter. I like the dry side of the Cascades, but you'd never get me to live in Bellingham or anywhere on the Puget Sound: wet, dark, cold.

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    I live in S.E. Tennessee in the foothills of The Great Smokey Mountains so I ride a lot of rolling hills. We have a 44-acre farm WAY back in the country so I have miles and miles of rolling country roads. If you can't ride hills, well, you can't ride here! There are some I still can't ride over but I have plenty of miles I can ride. I can also put a bike in the truck and head to the MUT in the next town if I want to ride easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    After fifteen years in Knoxville (Oak Ridge) I finally escaped the humidity and moved back West. I can appreciate the riding, I helped many trails in the area, but even though there's year round riding, the humidity makes the riding miserable six months of the year.
    I can surely relate to that! We moved here from Pompano Beach Florida when I started high school. I swear summers here are hotter than they were in S. Florida. I don't ride well in the humidity. With my asthma it's almost impossible. When I ride in summer I'm out at the crack of dawn because by 9:00 or 10:00 it's miserable. I think that's why I started riding the MTB more. At least being back in the woods under the tree canopy and off the hot pavement makes it more bearable. I ride all winter though. It doesn't get too cold for me to ride as long as it's not wet and windy.

    My sister left here about five years ago and moved to Colorado. She loves it! She said she doesn't think she could survive the heat back here anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Yes, we're thinking about lowly Hurricane, UT.
    Any town like that in the SW sounds like the best solution. Year round riding, within range of a whole lot more riding while still somewhat close to a WalMart (meaning that it isn't "that" remote) and hasn't become a "place to be," like Prescott or something similar with a retirement-unfriendly cost of living.

    Even bigger cities in the SW are a pretty good choice with the added convenience of more services and the ability to dodge the crowds by riding popular spots during the week.

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    Ashland is a nice area, kinda touristy, central to water, mountain, sea, snow, we considered it but work opportunities are limited; unlike some folks, retiring for me is more of a taper, more play and less work. I like working, my work feels good and gives me a greater purpose.

    If I stopped working as an NP, I'd like a job building trails, not the political stuff, just the diggjng and teaching.

    It's interesting the various plans and perspectives, some want travel, some want a home, some want exotic climes.

    The FR is over, it's not the place to be, hasn't been healthy for years, I'd sooner deal with Seattle where rain washes things clean and Canada is just a hop away.

    No one has mentioned Spokane, it's not my cup of tea being a city and all, but the surrounding area has the goods, not too extreme weather.

    Quote Originally Posted by WoodlandHills View Post
    Let me put in a good word for southern Oregon, specifically Ashland. We have been considering moving from CA to OR for a year or two and have been looking very closely at the Willamette Vally up north for its wine and woods. The abundance of rainy grey weather there caused us to look down by

    Ashland is great biking town with lots of infrastructure and trails. It gets a bit warmer than the Willamette, but it is still a lot cooler than most all of CA. Land and homes are still a relative bargain for those who have ridden the CA property value escalator up. The town is full of craft beer pubs and great restaurants as well as being the home of Southern Oregon University and the Shakespeare Festival, which brings in the visitors to support all the pubs. No OR sales tax either.....

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    ^richde- Good point about the SW, no cold, dark, wet, long winter. You can live in full blown prickly desert or in a mountain meadow, depending on your preference. I have four seasons, including a flirting bit of xc skiable snow, but the weather here makes north mid-westerners snicker. Just a month or two of mild winter, a long delicious spring and fall, a "hot" month or two in summer but no need for ac, with few insects. Pick your preferred altitude, landscape, population density, other interests, etc. I like the high deserts with mountain ranges interspersed, because of the quality of light and the variety dramatic landscapes within my vicinity. I really don't need anything more than my beat up '93 ranger pickup to haul my much more valuable bikes to Moab or Sedona or SanteFe or Tucson or Durango or Flagstaff. I like that, and going to Shalako at Zuni Pueblo, or skiing a mountain meadow at midnight under a shimmering canopy of stars.
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    Just checked in with a realtor today in Prescott to go check out some land around town. We won't be moving for several years as my wife has too good of a job to walk away from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    Just checked in with a realtor today in Prescott to go check out some land around town. We won't be moving for several years as my wife has too good of a job to walk away from.
    Everything that I have read about Prescott has been good. And they have a great online biking "vibe". I mean like, who can't love a bike club that says; yeah we can give you a map but drop us an email and we'll go riding with ya.
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    Totally correct, Bellingham sucks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimL View Post
    Everything that I have read about Prescott has been good. And they have a great online biking "vibe". I mean like, who can't love a bike club that says; yeah we can give you a map but drop us an email and we'll go riding with ya.
    Like somebody mentioned above, the housing prices in Prescott seem to be on the high side if you ask me. It's frequently on "best places to retire" lists plus I presume more & more Californians are cashing out and moving there for the favorable weather patterns. The realtor I was speaking with today said that people he speaks with frequently have Bend, Coeur d'Alene and Durango on their retirement location list.

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    Like someone earlier mentioned the SW has one thing that not much of the country has, and that is the ability to live in the mountains but still be able to drive 90min or less for year around riding. I lived in Flagstaff for 20+ years, and if the sun is shining, you can generally drive 90 min or less to get to some riding. I now have lived in Bend about 13 years, great riding here, but I sure miss having winter options.

    I'm about three years from retirement, at one time I thought about staying in Bend but now that we are firmly in winter again I find myself thinking more about the SW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jing View Post
    Like someone earlier mentioned the SW has one thing that not much of the country has, and that is the ability to live in the mountains but still be able to drive 90min or less for year around riding. I lived in Flagstaff for 20+ years, and if the sun is shining, you can generally drive 90 min or less to get to some riding. I now have lived in Bend about 13 years, great riding here, but I sure miss having winter options.

    I'm about three years from retirement, at one time I thought about staying in Bend but now that we are firmly in winter again I find myself thinking more about the SW.
    Or you can live where winter never gets worse than late fall/early spring and drive to the snow at higher elevations.

    Here in Las Vegas, I haven't seen snow that lasted more than a day or two in the five years I've lived here. Hurricane gets a little more, but not much. I was up there in the first week of January this year riding in a short sleeved jersey.

    OTOH, the ski resort 45 minutes away at Mt. Charleston is currently open and I was riding in snow at ~8000ft two weeks ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crankyone View Post
    Totally correct, Bellingham sucks!
    If you like warmer/dryer year round riding that leans XC instead of AM, then yes it does. It's really nice here, but I want to retire somewhere warmer. The older I get, the more the climate in the pnw gets me down. Ymmv.

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    It's that thing everyone looks forward to because they think they'll be happier even though they didn't save up for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Ashland is a nice area, kinda touristy, central to water, mountain, sea, snow, we considered it but work opportunities are limited; unlike some folks, retiring for me is more of a taper, more play and less work. I like working, my work feels good and gives me a greater purpose.

    If I stopped working as an NP, I'd like a job building trails, not the political stuff, just the diggjng and teaching.

    It's interesting the various plans and perspectives, some want travel, some want a home, some want exotic climes.

    The FR is over, it's not the place to be, hasn't been healthy for years, I'd sooner deal with Seattle where rain washes things clean and Canada is just a hop away.
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    Retirement? Whats that?
    1 Year, 6 Months, & 6 Days. And yes I have been saving for it all my life.
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    Ben, I'm not aware of problems with the FR, can you say a little more? Are you talking about the fires/polluted rivers?



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    Not the guy you are addressing, but I'll jump in. The Front Range has jumped the shark for a lot of people at this point, especially as a retirement destination.

    As far as pollution goes, when I moved here in the 80's air pollution was much worse than today, it got a lot better until about five years ago, now it is getting bad again. What is different now is that it is much more widespread. 20 years ago you didn't see a brown cloud north of Denver, now it is worse up there on some days than it is down in the city. A combination of growth, traffic, and oil and gas production. Hell, even Wyoming exceeds ozone levels now. The only way to escape it is to live above it, 6500 feet or higher.

    Water is another issue, not pollution but quantity. The Front Range is all teed up for a water crisis that will dwarf the one in California. We came within a year of major reservoirs going completely dry back in the last drought (2001-2003), and there were a million fewer people on the Front Range then. The next drought is going to be a real wakeup call, but until then, they keep building and building. An article the other day said Colorado added 100,000 people last year, most right here on the Front Range. They just produced a "water plan" that does absolutely nothing to address the real issues. One day, the crap will hit the fan, and the impacts will go far beyond not being able to water your lawn. Douglas County south of Denver is the place that will really hurt someday. The get a lot of their water from a shrinking aquifer, and when that goes dry, there is no unallocated surface water to bail them out. It is going to be ugly, folks. Google up the situation in Sao Paulo, and that place is in a freaking tropical rain forest area! As Brazil's Largest City Struggles With Drought, Residents Are Leaving : Parallels : NPR

    Meanwhile, the traffic is getting terrible, the rents and housing costs are skyrocketing, and the same urban issues that places like Dallas, Atlanta and Phoenix have dealt with for years are ramping up here.

    I would not retire here. I will be leaving as soon as I retire.

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    I didn't dig through the whole thread, but some comments.
    Auburn is a good idea
    Idyllwild comments are generally accurate, but it's a small town, kind of an island really, kind of like Big Bear. You could live/ride year round on the lower slopes of Big Bear. Don't go too low. Smogtown and oppressive heat.
    If you can afford it, riding/living is fantastic in Mendocino. I suppose you could head East into Ukiah too.

    Santa Rosa and places North is more like a super-suburb for San Francisco. Lots of idle rich gambling and losing on wine up there. It makes living up there expensive.
    You could go far Northern California against one of the mountain ranges and find great riding/people.

    I have non-LDS relatives living in Utah. My experience has been, outside of downtown Salt Lake City, the church is everywhere. That's not a bad thing. It's just, unless you are a church member, it can be a little lonely. The higher elevations of Southern Utah might be worth checking out.
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    The communities in Utah have lots of active people in them. IMO, way above average.

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    Southern Utah is great. We moved here from SoCal about 11 yrs ago. Non-LDS and haven't had any real issues at all. Very active biking community here. Lots of world class trails and more planned around the area. Our kids are active on the High School MTB race team here and Utah has the largest involvement of any state in the nation, last year over 1000+ racers across the state so lots of volunteer opportunities if that's your thing. Lots of retirees in this area. The main community (Sun River) is all golf driven. We have two small nice reservoirs in the area that are big enough to ski/wakeboard on. Powell is 2 1/2 hrs away, Vegas 1 1/2 hr away. Local airport with flights to Salt Lake and Denver. You can drive to LA in about 5hrs. Very low key community in regards to nightlife (there is none), small college here as well Dixie State University. If you're into skiing then 1 1/2 hrs north above Cedar City is BrianHead Ski Resort that's really nice, or 30 min past that is Eagle Point Ski Resort.

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    RHale, are you south of St George? I see the golf course there on Googles map. I am looking forward to spending a lot of time down in that area. A little north is Cedar City which IMBA is touting as the next big thing. Hurricane and Gooseberry Mesa; man, the options and opportunities are endless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimL View Post
    RHale, are you south of St George? I see the golf course there on Googles map. I am looking forward to spending a lot of time down in that area. A little north is Cedar City which IMBA is touting as the next big thing. Hurricane and Gooseberry Mesa; man, the options and opportunities are endless.
    I'm in St George. Cedar is 44 miles north of us. I have heard that new trails are going in around the Cedar area as well as east of St George in Kanab. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 miles of singletrack! The beauty of St George is we get the best weather(very little to no snow, not as much wind, etc) when compared to Cedar City. St George is growing at a steady pace and expected to hit 500K in 2050, its around 120K now. Cost of living is more than Cedar, but we also have more amenities like a mall (albeit small) and Costco more restaurants.

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    I am assuming with a place that size that medical services would be decent too. My wife has mobility issues that some times require a doctor's help. Our doctor here said the safest thing to do when traveling is to make the acquaintance of a local doctor where ever you go.
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    Cliff Notes on this topic so far:

    Midwest: not on the radar
    Upper Midwest: ditto
    NE: would be nice (VT/NH/ME) but unaffordable for most and cold winters
    CA: unaffordable for most
    CO: FR is a POS, possibly western CO. Cold winters
    South: if you can handle humidity
    AK: not on the radar
    PNW: depends. Can you handle dreary wx?
    SW: many options. Sunny.
    Utah: Mormons. Affordable other than SLC and PC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimL View Post
    I am assuming with a place that size that medical services would be decent too. My wife has mobility issues that some times require a doctor's help. Our doctor here said the safest thing to do when traveling is to make the acquaintance of a local doctor where ever you go.
    Yes. Intermountain Healthcare has a very nice hospital here. Lots a good local docs as well. My wife and I are both Chiropractors in private practice here and have met most of the local Docs. The hospital is rated as high as it can go without the affiliation of a 4yr university. They also just announced they're doubling the size over the next few years.
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    Outstanding! I have a great chiro here in Seatac so it's nice to know another one. I can't wait to get down in that area for good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crankyone View Post
    Totally correct, Bellingham sucks!
    Bellingham has some good trails and it's near the Sound and Vancouver Island/BC, admittedly it's quite lovely when it's sunny and dry, but I can't do the rain and dark anymore. It also a little bit touristy and it has more than it's fair share of people "moving through".

    We could have moved anywhere in the USA or CAN, we only looked west of the "humidity line": Durango, ABQ/SF, Flagstaff, Logan, Boise, Bend, PA/PT, Bellignham, Corvallis, Mt Shasta, Humboldt, but chose Wenatchee Washington. We wanted a small town with minimal amenties (coffee shops, yoga, Thai), it needed to be a "lived in place" where families are raised and the parks are full of kids, and we wanted to be closish to the ocean.

    I'm at work now (only fifty, not ready to retire quite yet) looking out the window at the Cascade Foothills rising up from Wenatchee (elevation 980'), snow covered (12-18"). but this much snow is rare in town, it'll melt off in the next couple weeks.
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    Every day at lunch I drive across town (7-8 minutes depending on traffic), I hike out my back door onto the Saddle Rock reserve (protected by the Foothills Association), my dogs run free and no one cares.
    => I live at the base of the cliff band, on the far right of this picture ^

    Today after work I'm going to pack snow trails and ride fat bike at Squilchick State Park (ten minutes from town).
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    This weekend I'll put in some laps at Mission Ridge (elev. 6850, 2000+ac, season pass $275), located a scant fifteen minutes from town. https://missionridge.com/about-mission-ridge

    Next weekend I'll drive over to Seattle, drop my wife at the airport, then ride some stuff around Seattle; there are a few decent trails over there
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    Wenathee is the Apple Capital of the World, and the central fruit growing area for WA
    Colombia River: Runs through town, paddle boarding, skull, kayak.
    Sage Hills, Castle Rock, Saddle Rock Multiuse Trails: Ride/hike from town
    Twin Peaks Trail System (under development): Ride from town or drive ten minutes.
    Squilchuck State Park Trail system (under development): 10 minutes
    Mission Ridge Ski Resort, trail system, BC access: 15 minutes
    Cashmere Trail System (Red Hill): 20 minutes
    Leavenworth WW paddling, XC skiing/snowbiking, mtb trail riding: 20 minutes
    Ancient Lakes Trail System (year round mtb riding): 45 minutes
    Stevens Pass Ski Area: 1 hour
    Snoqualamie Pass Ski Area: 1.5 hours
    Winthrop WA (largest XC area in NA): 2 hours
    Spokane: 2.5 hours
    Seattle/Puget Sound: 3 hours
    Bellingham WA; 3.5 hours
    Vancoubvcer Island: 4 hours
    Vancouver BC; 4.5 hours
    Portland OR: 5 hours

    The best part of being in Wenatchee is that I can stay working as long as I want (health care jobs rock), I can ease into retirement as I see fit, I can enjoy the localities listed above ^^, no traffic, no high cost of living, no competition for recreational resources, and no cold/wet weather.

    ...and no bro culture!

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    Summer Riding at Mission Ridge (Clara Lakes)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sisu View Post
    Cliff Notes on this topic so far:

    Midwest: not on the radar
    Upper Midwest: ditto
    NE: would be nice (VT/NH/ME) but unaffordable for most and cold winters
    CA: unaffordable for most
    CO: FR is a POS, possibly western CO. Cold winters
    South: if you can handle humidity
    AK: not on the radar
    PNW: depends. Can you handle dreary wx?
    SW: many options. Sunny.
    Utah: Mormons. Affordable other than SLC and PC.
    If you are really into being different from everyone else, there are some really nice areas of Southern Illinois/Western Kentucky/SE Missouri that have trails, fishing, hunting, etc, and you can buy a pretty decent house for $25,000 in some smaller towns, at least in So. Ill. I'm not kidding. A real house, not a trailer. Or, you can get killer acreage with a pond of your own, and your own awesome hardwood forest for less than a condo in St. George.

    Yes, it is humid in the summer, but winters aren't terrible. A/C was invented for the midwest and southeast, it is how people survive there.

    Of course, you have to want to live there. No cultural amenities to speak of other than traveling to St. Louis or maybe what is at SIU in Carbondale, and there are almost no jobs at all. But if you just want to be on your own and outside most of the time, it is one of the few places left that an average middle income person can retire gracefully. You have to be careful about property taxes, but IL does have a few homestead exemption provisions, I don't know about KY or MO.

    There are some good trails in Shawnee National Forest and around Kentucky Lake, I'm sure there are a lot of unpublished rides in that part of the country, too. It is very isolated and unknown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    No cultural amenities to speak of other than traveling to St. Louis or maybe what is at SIU in Carbondale, and there are almost no jobs at all. But if you just want to be on your own and outside most of the time, it is one of the few places left that an average middle income person can retire gracefully. You have to be careful about property taxes, but IL does have a few homestead exemption provisions, I don't know about KY or MO.

    Of course, you have to want to live there.
    Sounds like a great place to retire if you like to live deep in the woods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSJ1973 View Post
    Sounds like a great place to retire if you like to live deep in the woods.
    The strip from SW Indiana through So. Ill to SE Missouri and down to NW Kentucky is some of the least populated wooded country in the US. It gets no recognition because it does have a name.

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    500K people or an average home price of 500K by 2050? If St George ever has 500K people, it's going to be as bad as LA because traffic already sucks in that city once you get off the freeway.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhale View Post
    I'm in St George. Cedar is 44 miles north of us. I have heard that new trails are going in around the Cedar area as well as east of St George in Kanab. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 miles of singletrack! The beauty of St George is we get the best weather(very little to no snow, not as much wind, etc) when compared to Cedar City. St George is growing at a steady pace and expected to hit 500K in 2050, its around 120K now. Cost of living is more than Cedar, but we also have more amenities like a mall (albeit small) and Costco more restaurants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    500K people or an average home price of 500K by 2050? If St George ever has 500K people, it's going to be as bad as LA because traffic already sucks in that city once you get off the freeway.
    There is 150,000 people in the St George SMSA, it could easilly go 500k in 35 years, not sure what they're gonna drink, perhaps they will be recycling water by then.

    I'm just wondering if we can find work on Cedar City now, then just stay there...

    First, the kids gotta decide where they're going to settle

    In the meantime, Wenatchee is not too bad.

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    I will be retiring in 9 more months, We moved into our ACTIVE retirement community 5 years ago, Park City. We had moved from San Diego to the Salt Lake valley in 2003, but spent so much of our time in P.C. that we moved here. We actually live in the county outside of town but we still ride out the back door or catch the free bus to the resort trailheads and then ride there and back to the house. You have to like snow but the number of activities there are here are amazing. We ride Fat Bikes, ski and xc ski. There are lots of volunteer opportunities as well to keep you busy year round. The saying here is "my garage is my trailhead" and it really is true. Housing prices are high, but nothing like California. It is a resort town and we prefer to stay away from the center of town when it gets busy, but it has all the amenities you need.

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    We have a condo in Park City and even though I never planned to move into the condo full time, I look at houses in the area every now and then. The problem now is I think I've decided I don't want to love in an area where snow is on the ground for months at a time....and no, riding a fat bike doesn't equate to *mountain biking* for me. The other huge problem for Park City is they screwed the pooch years ago when they chose to ditch the "mining town" vibe and went all "trendy" instead. Downtown now sucks all the the time and not just when it's crowded.



    Quote Originally Posted by mactweek View Post
    I will be retiring in 9 more months, We moved into our ACTIVE retirement community 5 years ago, Park City. We had moved from San Diego to the Salt Lake valley in 2003, but spent so much of our time in P.C. that we moved here. We actually live in the county outside of town but we still ride out the back door or catch the free bus to the resort trailheads and then ride there and back to the house. You have to like snow but the number of activities there are here are amazing. We ride Fat Bikes, ski and xc ski. There are lots of volunteer opportunities as well to keep you busy year round. The saying here is "my garage is my trailhead" and it really is true. Housing prices are high, but nothing like California. It is a resort town and we prefer to stay away from the center of town when it gets busy, but it has all the amenities you need.

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    The snow on the ground thing is rough, I went twenty years between living in snow zones, now that I'm back it seems a lot more harsh and humbling than it did in my youth.

    Retirement for me will be warm, sunny, and dry.

    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    We have a condo in Park City and even though I never planned to move into the condo full time, I look at houses in the area every now and then. The problem now is I think I've decided I don't want to love in an area where snow is on the ground for months at a time....and no, riding a fat bike doesn't equate to *mountain biking* for me. The other huge problem for Park City is they screwed the pooch years ago when they chose to ditch the "mining town" vibe and went all "trendy" instead. Downtown now sucks all the the time and not just when it's crowded.

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    My husband and I looked for something bordering DuPont but settled for a small cabin in Dunns Rock. Practicing retirement with long weekends and telecommuting. Got "hooked" on Tenkara fishing - now the rods go with us when we hike and bike. Love our little dog-friendly affordable par 3 course for chasing a little white ball.

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    Yeah, that's my plan as well though living in SoCal, we've had truly great weather our entire lives. The politics and traffic on the other hand are deal breakers for me and I want better access to limitless outdoor options. We have pockets of trails here between the masses of homes but you have to drive 60+ miles to get in an area where you can ride a "legitimate" 20-25 mile loop. We're going to look at Prescott next month and while I think I can live in Southern Utah (Hurricane, Santa Clara), my wife may not agree. Tucson and PHX aren't off the table because my wife's Dad lives in Durango and has (2) houses on 40 acres where we could (WOULD!!) go during the scorching Summer months.

    The reality is I have no idea where we'll end up since I'm open to so many options (Hurricane, Fruita, Prescott, etc...) and get excited about new places all the time. I was set on Bend, Oregon after a trip there in 2013 but after spending a week there this Summer, I was put off by the traffic, crowds and all the trendy/foo-foo restaurants. Areas around Flathead Lake in Montana look enticing too...except for the months of extended snow cover. I could get excited about buying snowmobiles though.



    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    The snow on the ground thing is rough, I went twenty years between living in snow zones, now that I'm back it seems a lot more harsh and humbling than it did in my youth.

    Retirement for me will be warm, sunny, and dry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    ... I was set on Bend, Oregon after a trip there in 2013 but after spending a week there this Summer, I was put off by the traffic, crowds and all the trendy/foo-foo restaurants. Areas around Flathead Lake in Montana look enticing too...except for the months of extended snow cover. I could get excited about buying snowmobiles though.
    Bend is trendy, lots of bros, many second homes, cold and dark in the Winter (typical PNW), lots of company on the trails during high season.

    It's hard to find perfect unless you got a hot tub time machine, cuz the very best place to live and ride is expensive and crowded (California).

    Fruita/GJ are on my top five list, it can get pretty hot and it does get cold /snow , but then Wenatchee is not exactly cool in the summer.

    I think you hit on a key component: finding a place that has proximity to places where you can cool off/warm up/dry out. Even though Wenatchee is snowed in now, I can drive to Seattle and get some warm on; that's the plan on Sunday (Tiger Mountain).

    The problem with Bend and GJ/Fruita is their isolation. I don't want to drive hours to have fun, the whole point of retiring in one place is to have fun in that place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    The snow on the ground thing is rough, I went twenty years between living in snow zones, now that I'm back it seems a lot more harsh and humbling than it did in my youth.

    Retirement for me will be warm, sunny, and dry.
    Then you're looking at AZ, maybe NV. I'm with you on that as well as my tolerance for heat and humidity is gone. I have looked at Albuquerque and while it ticks many of my boxes, there is something that I can't put my finger on that keeps me searching.
    My current short list iincludes Tucson, Sedona, and that "other place" nobody knows about (including me)!
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    Tucson is ridiculously hot in summer and it is not getting any cooler. The winters are nice, but the town fills up with snowbirds then and the terrible traffic gets worse. My wife and I met while living there in the 70's and 80's and my mother is still in care there so I am in and out of town often. We also had a second home there from 2005 to 2010. Like a lot of places it used to be a lot nicer a few years ago.......

    Our call is Oregon for most of the year, either the Willamette or Rogue valleys. If the Grey Months get us down we know we can rent a 3bd/2ba home in Loreto, Baja California for $600 to $1000 a month. It's a very tidy, quiet little town with lots of expats and well off the beaten path.

    Now we have to decide between Ashland, McMinnville or Corvallis.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    I checked out last December after 31 years in law enforcement. We live in North San Diego County and I can ride 350 days a year. As it is, I ride one form of bike, go to the gym or hike/walk (6) days a week. But it's crowded, traffic sucks, CA taxes are ridiculous and the political scene is turning into a Bernie Sanders nirvana. My wife has an awesome job with great pay and benefits which is what keeps us here...and content for now. Once she gets burned out, we're outta here.

    Between mountain biking and/or skiing/snowboarding, I've been all over the Western US including 90% of the places mentioned over these (4) pages. I have family in Durango, a kid in Boise, another in the Texas Hill Country. I ride in Utah, AZ and Oregon every year and every place has their pluses and minuses. When the time comes, I'll make some sort of chart to compare the places I'm interested in (and where my wife is willing to live). MTB riding, proximity to a decent ski resort are important and I will also factor in where the kids are currently stationed as they are both officers in the Army.
    My brother just retired from Riverside Sheriff's Department after 30 years and California isn't good to it's retirees.

    I'm retired from the Operating Engineers and I lived all over southern California and I got out awhile before I retired and made a move to Minnesota and I'll tell you we have that same type of BS mind set here as well, I can live with it because we're way up north but we're done with all the crazy cold weather, we have fat bikes but we are sick and tired of putting on all the clothes.

    We are looking at moving to Ocala Florida or The Village in Ocala. We also have a nice travel trailer and we can get out of Florida in the Summer months.

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    Our requirements are:

    1) Warm, but not oppressive summers. 85 degrees max
    2) Low humidity. Mostly sunny days.
    3) Not too much snow in the winters. Short drive to great skiing.
    4) Small town, but not touristy. The type where people raise their families.
    5) Mountain biking trails that I can ride to from my driveway.
    6) Plenty of other outside activities. (Kayaking, hiking, concerts).
    7) Beautiful scenery.

    This is where we will retire. Bought the land last year. Hoping to build in a few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camp10 View Post
    Our requirements are:

    1) Warm, but not oppressive summers. 85 degrees max
    2) Low humidity. Mostly sunny days.
    3) Not too much snow in the winters. Short drive to great skiing.
    4) Small town, but not touristy. The type where people raise their families.
    5) Mountain biking trails that I can ride to from my driveway.
    6) Plenty of other outside activities. (Kayaking, hiking, concerts).
    7) Beautiful scenery.

    This is where we will retire. Bought the land last year. Hoping to build in a few years.

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    Nice list, good choice. Similar to what brought us to Durango 15 years ago.
    We have also found that it is wonderful living far from an interstate. If you are in Durango, it is on purpose!
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    Nice....except for the average lows of 22, 12, 10.5 and 17 degrees between November and February. No thanks. Bundling up in several layers of clothing to ride is not my idea of fun. It's one of the reasons I don't miss my dirt bike.

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    1) Warm, but not oppressive summers. 85 degrees max
    2) Low humidity. Mostly sunny days.
    3) Not too much snow in the winters. Short drive to great skiing.
    4) Small town, but not touristy. The type where people raise their families.
    5) Mountain biking trails that I can ride to from my driveway.
    6) Plenty of other outside activities. (Kayaking, hiking, concerts).
    7) Beautiful scenery.

    This is where we will retire. Bought the land last year. Hoping to build in a few years.

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    I am 63 and will retire in about 1 year at 64. We plan to stay where we are which is in the hot Heart of Texas (and I'm not kidding about the heart of Texas, we live in the middle of the State, called West Texas). I will still be ranching and plan to ranch until 80 unless a cow kills me before then. The ranch is a good place for mountain biking and we have the San Angelo State Park which has great trails nearby.

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    Yeah, but the average highs are 44, 32,32 ,38. Might sound cold to many, but that's balmy to us that have lived our whole lives in the MN/WI area!

    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    Nice....except for the average lows of 22, 12, 10.5 and 17 degrees between November and February. No thanks. Bundling up in several layers of clothing to ride is not my idea of fun. It's one of the reasons I don't miss my dirt bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camp10 View Post
    Yeah, but the average highs are 44, 32,32 ,38. Might sound cold to many, but that's balmy to us that have lived our whole lives in the MN/WI area!
    Having lived in nw Iowa, I totally agree. The Four Corners region has as fine a weather as I've seen, all the options but mostly sunny. Really crappy weather is celebrated as a novelty, as a reason to be out in it, just to experience it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by camp10 View Post
    Our requirements are:

    1) Warm, but not oppressive summers. 85 degrees max
    2) Low humidity. Mostly sunny days.
    3) Not too much snow in the winters. Short drive to great skiing.
    4) Small town, but not touristy. The type where people raise their families.
    5) Mountain biking trails that I can ride to from my driveway.
    6) Plenty of other outside activities. (Kayaking, hiking, concerts).
    7) Beautiful scenery.

    This is where we will retire. Bought the land last year. Hoping to build in a few years.

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    I wonder how much snow they do get at 6600 ft elevation. Isn't that the elevation of Eagle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    Nice....except for the average lows of 22, 12, 10.5 and 17 degrees between November and February. No thanks. Bundling up in several layers of clothing to ride is not my idea of fun. It's one of the reasons I don't miss my dirt bike.
    Temps in CO vary radically by elevation and location in the state. From Eagle you can be in Grand Junction in two hours with temps 20 degrees warmer, or 1:30 to Leadville with temps 20-30 degrees cooler.

    Eagle sits in a valley and doesn't get a lot of snow. About the same as Denver I would guess.

    I personally like Rifle (45 minutes west) better than Eagle, but to each his own. Rifle is warmer, cheaper and less touristy. Eagle is closer to Denver and has its own airport (the Vail airport is actually in Eagle).

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    I retired to the mountains of Western Honduras. My pension goes a long way, and every road is a nice dirt road...perfect for biking through great scenery.

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    Any other comments on Tucson from residents? I know it's grown, as most "desirable" locales have, and it's hot in the summer, but what else? What is the MTB and road biking scene like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simplemind View Post
    Any other comments on Tucson from residents? I know it's grown, as most "desirable" locales have, and it's hot in the summer, but what else? What is the MTB and road biking scene like?
    Try checking out Mountain Biking Tucson - Tucson MTB - alot of good info when I looked and I presume most of them are locals

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    And check out the Sonoran Desert Mountain Bikers and Southern Arizona Mountain Bike Association for more info on Tucson. They have over 600 miles of bike paths and more triathletes train in Tucson then anywhere else. The one down side that I would say about Tucson is that it is so spread out that it takes at least 45 minutes to get anywhere. Tucson Mountain Park and Sweetwater Trails is another one. I spent 3 hours wandering around Fantasy Island and still didn't see all of it. Yeah, I am pretty sold on Tucson. Ginie and I went down twice last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    Try checking out Mountain Biking Tucson - Tucson MTB - alot of good info when I looked and I presume most of them are locals
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    And check out the Sonoran Desert Mountain Bikers and Southern Arizona Mountain Bike Association for more info on Tucson. They have over 600 miles of bike paths and more triathletes train in Tucson then anywhere else. The one down side that I would say about Tucson is that it is so spread out that it takes at least 45 minutes to get anywhere. Tucson Mountain Park and Sweetwater Trails is another one. I spent 3 hours wandering around Fantasy Island and still didn't see all of it. Yeah, I am pretty sold on Tucson. Ginie and I went down twice last year.

    Thanks guys, since it's "spread out", any idea of the better parts to live in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simplemind View Post
    Thanks guys, since it's "spread out", any idea of the better parts to live in?
    Here's another great source of info. Be careful, it's addictive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    Eagle sits in a valley and doesn't get a lot of snow. About the same as Denver I would guess.

    I personally like Rifle (45 minutes west) better than Eagle, but to each his own. Rifle is warmer, cheaper and less touristy. Eagle is closer to Denver and has its own airport (the Vail airport is actually in Eagle).
    Correct, Eagle gets about 60 inches of snow per year, similar to Denver.

    Rifle is very nice. We've stopped there on trips to Moab/Grand Junction.

    But what drew us to Eagle was the emphasis on mountain biking. There is a trail that runs behind the lot that we bought. It connects to 50 or 60 miles of beautiful trails. Heck, there is even singletrack that runs along the sidewalks, so that the kids can ride trails to school.

    We also like the quick and easy access to alpine hiking. It's just a short drive up Brush Creek Road to many trailheads in the Sawatch Range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simplemind View Post
    Thanks guys, since it's "spread out", any idea of the better parts to live in?
    I personally like the north side of town. Towards the west. The east side is great to with good access to Coronado National Forest. But it all depends what you want. Take a trip down and check it out. It would be time well spent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sisu View Post
    Cliff Notes on this topic so far:

    Midwest: not on the radar
    Upper Midwest: ditto
    NE: would be nice (VT/NH/ME) but unaffordable for most and cold winters
    CA: unaffordable for most
    CO: FR is a POS, possibly western CO. Cold winters
    South: if you can handle humidity
    AK: not on the radar
    PNW: depends. Can you handle dreary wx?
    SW: many options. Sunny.
    Utah: Mormons. Affordable other than SLC and PC.
    For California, maybe consider points North and East?

    The problem with the SW is the heat. It's relatively easy to stand around in it, but climbing in it is TOUGH. It's like that for months. I guess if you are retired, you can just hit it whenever.

    What works for Utah is the Mormons are quite active. In one sense, it can be lonely and there's quirky stuff in local law, in another, lots of others as interested in athletic stuff.

    I'm not disagreeing at all. Just trying to stay open to places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asphalt_jesus View Post
    The problem with the SW is the heat. It's relatively easy to stand around in it, but climbing in it is TOUGH. It's like that for months. I guess if you are retired, you can just hit it whenever.......
    The people that I have talked to that live down there say they either get up before daylight or do a lot of night rides. But I don't know if that would help when some places don't get below 90 degrees at night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimL View Post
    The people that I have talked to that live down there say they either get up before daylight or do a lot of night rides. But I don't know if that would help when some places don't get below 90 degrees at night.
    Just get acclimated to the heat and adapt to it, because it's really not that bad, even here in Las Vegas.

    From June until Sept just pace yourself, drink tons of water and don't plan on any epic rides much longer than 3 hours. Then you can enjoy perfect riding weather in the fall and spring and put on some arm warmers for the depth of winter from mid-Dec to mid-late Jan.

    Lots of places in the SW also have high and low elevation riding opportunities, which makes a real difference when you consider that temps drop 2C for every 1,000' of elevation gain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    I'm not letting a bicycle dictate the rest of my life. I want to see the world.
    Live your dream, I say, but if you want to own something that will dictate your life for certain get a boat. Unless you're rich enough to hire a crew to handle the maintenance. Question, though, do you really think the cycling crowd is letting bikes "dictate their lives" rather than simply living their passions?
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    Maybe sailing is my passion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    Maybe sailing is my passion.
    Sounds like it is from your posts on this topic, and that's great, but you seem to be passing judgement on the passion of others. Your perogative.
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    You are obviously too sensitive. I have not passed judgement. Simply stated my feelings. if those bothered you, that's your problem not mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    You are obviously too sensitive. I have not passed judgement. Simply stated my feelings. if those bothered you, that's your problem not mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richde View Post
    Lots of places in the SW also have high and low elevation riding opportunities, which makes a real difference when you consider that temps drop 2C for every 1,000' of elevation gain.
    This ^^^^

    As an example, Moab is in the 90's three months out of the year, but it is totally fine. Moab is at 4000 feet above sea level and most of the riding is higher than that. If you want to ride in summer, just get it done before noon. It is in the 50's at sunrise, so you have six hours to ride your brains out. (cooling off overnight also allows you sleep with the windows open, which I love.) If you can't make it out in the morning, you can be at a trailhead at 9000 ft in 35 minutes where it is sure to be cool. Just watch out for thunderstorms.

    Honestly, I've ridden in the middle of the afternoon in the summer out there in temps up to 105F, and as long as you drink tons of water and don't overdo it, it is totally fine. I lived on the west coast of Florida for six years where the temperature never goes above 94F, and I'd rather ride in 105F in Moab than 94F in Florida, hands down. In the SW, shade and a breeze actually cool you off, whereas in Florida, the heat and humidity permeate the air. Standing in the shade even with a breeze did very little for me in Florida.

    Another big win for the SW is that you don't need A/C. Swamp coolers work great there, and are way less expensive to run than A/C. A/C is great when you want to remove humidity, but you want to ADD humidity in the SW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    Another big win for the SW is that you don't need A/C. Swamp coolers work great there, and are way less expensive to run than A/C. A/C is great when you want to remove humidity, but you want to ADD humidity in the SW.
    You might want to research that a bit. Come visit and see how many people are actually using swamp coolers. I can't remember seeing one in years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    You might want to research that a bit. Come visit and see how many people are actually using swamp coolers. I can't remember seeing one in years.
    Are you actually in Moab? Drive down the street someday and look at the houses. See a big vented box on top of the roof? That's a swamp cooler. See a big vented box in a window with a water line running to it? That's a swamp cooler. If you aren't actually there, go on Google Streetview. They are everywhere. This time of year they likely to be covered with a canvas cover or even just a tarp.

    I lived in Moab one summer and have been going out there for almost thirty years. The house I lived in had a single window swamp cooler and it kept the entire house cool. Tons of people use swamp coolers in the southwest. There is a reason Walker's and Turner's sell swamp cooler pads by the pallet load.

    I even know a lot of people using swamp coolers on the Colorado Front Range. They don't work quite as well here because the humidity is often higher than optimal, but they still get a lot of use on the dryer days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    ...Drive down the street someday and look at the houses. See a big vented box on top of the roof? That's a swamp cooler. See a big vented box in a window with a water line running to it? That's a swamp cooler..... The house I lived in had a single window swamp cooler and it kept the entire house cool. Tons of people use swamp coolers in the southwest. There is a reason Walker's and Turner's sell swamp cooler pads by the pallet load...
    Good thing to remember.
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    If I were going to move at this point it would be to Mendocino county.

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