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    Fezzari La Sal Peak- Pictures and Discussions

    Now that there is a Fezzari section I figured I would start a page for the La Sal Peak. Let's see your La Sal Peak's. Also feel free to ask questions and share thoughts and experiences.

    Here's my XL Elite build. I had them set it up tubeless and also added the deluxe frame protection. I've got 3 rides on it so far. I'm really happy with it. It's a really solid bike that pedals and climbs well even with the shock full open. The suspension is well balanced. The steering and handling of the front end is awesome. It actually tracks and turns very well even in the slow stuff. I think it has a lot to do with the shorter offset fork. I've ridden it on some longer climbs and fast flowy downhills as well as tighter technical more cross country trails. For me it does it all well. I think this could be a good "one bike" for a lot of people given their terrain and riding style permits a longer travel 29er. I'm in the Pacific Northwest for reference.

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    Are those pictures of you at Tiger?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Are those pictures of you at Tiger?
    This is at Raging River, just to the East of Tiger.

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    Thatís the new place, right?

    We moved to Carson City from Wenatchee the summer before last, miss Tiger, but donít miss the cold and dark.

    Ever get up on Angels Staircase? Thatís a nice bike for that ride.
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    Trying to get my buddy to buy one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Thatís the new place, right?

    We moved to Carson City from Wenatchee the summer before last, miss Tiger, but donít miss the cold and dark.

    Ever get up on Angels Staircase? Thatís a nice bike for that ride.
    Yes, it's the new place. The area used to be, and still is, referred to as exit 27. I've never ridden the exit 27 "illegal" trails though.

    I have lived within 30 minutes of tiger for 35 years and rode it for the first time about 2 months ago. That ride down NOTG on my Trance is what made me start looking at a bigger more capable bike. I've mostly just ridden the trails near me in Black Diamond.

    I had to look up Angel's Staircase. That looks like an all day or possibly a weekend ride?

    I've got a short job tomorrow up north. I'm thinking about throwing my bike in my rig and hitting up Galbraith for the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
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    Trying to get my buddy to buy one.
    What's he riding now and what kind of terrain do you guys ride?

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    He's riding my old stumpy evo. We ride in the Cascades too, so similar terrain to you but we do a lot of backcountry "epic" type rides like Angels Staircase.
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    Right on. I'm super happy with mine. I think it's a great bike for this area. I was worried it may be too much bike for the majority of my rides, but I haven't really found anywhere that I've wished I had my Giant Trance back.

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    5th or so ride in.....nuthin but smiles. Price to grin to ride ratio ticks all da boxes for me so far.

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    That canít be the wet side of Washington state, the skies are blue and it ainít summer yet!

    I swear, we leave the state cuz itís cold and dark, then the weather warms up and the skies are sunny,

    It was a trick!!

    Angels Staircase is a day ride, lots of climbing and lots of descending. The La Sal would be a good bike for that ride.
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    @Nurse Ben if you mean my post that's sunny overpriced CA! sun was out, dirt was brown and moist in the redwoods. that picture was from yesterday in the Santa Cruz mountains at Soquel Demonstration State Forest, Monterey Bay in the background.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    That canít be the wet side of Washington state, the skies are blue and it ainít summer yet!

    I swear, we leave the state cuz itís cold and dark, then the weather warms up and the skies are sunny,

    It was a trick!!

    Angels Staircase is a day ride, lots of climbing and lots of descending. The La Sal would be a good bike for that ride.
    We've had some surprisingly lucky weekends here on the westside. It rains during the week and decent on the weekends. Still wet muddy trails at times. I think I've only missed 4 or 5 weekends riding since August. On all those other weekends I think I've only gotten rained on 3 or 4 times.

    I made it up north to Galbraith finally.



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    Quote Originally Posted by nativeson View Post
    5th or so ride in.....nuthin but smiles. Price to grin to ride ratio ticks all da boxes for me so far.
    Nice! Looks good. I was really close to going with the green. Trails look perfect!

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    How do you guys like it for a little more short punchy kinda stuff. I live in Michigan but travel to Arkansas and the UP so the extra travel would be nice compared to the signal. My local trails are up and down constantly.
    Thanks for any help
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    Quote Originally Posted by evanofd View Post
    How do you guys like it for a little more short punchy kinda stuff. I live in Michigan but travel to Arkansas and the UP so the extra travel would be nice compared to the signal. My local trails are up and down constantly.
    Thanks for any help
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    I've got a few rides on some trails that are constant ups and downs. I have no issues with it. So far for me it's doing great everywhere. I am a bigger guy at 6'3" though, so I think proportionately a bigger bike just fits me well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 05stroker View Post
    I've got a few rides on some trails that are constant ups and downs. I have no issues with it. So far for me it's doing great everywhere. I am a bigger guy at 6'3" though, so I think proportionately a bigger bike just fits me well.

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    Perfect. I'm 5'10 and 210 lbs so trying to find bikes that climb well and don't blow through travel or ride like crap is super hard. Found this bike randomly, priced it out, and it seems perfect after all the reviews online and seeing y'all talk about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by evanofd View Post
    Perfect. I'm 5'10 and 210 lbs so trying to find bikes that climb well and don't blow through travel or ride like crap is super hard. Found this bike randomly, priced it out, and it seems perfect after all the reviews online and seeing y'all talk about it

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    This bike definitely doesn't blow through its travel. It pedals well even with the shock fully open. You can get out of the saddle and crank up short punchy climbs without a bunch of pedal bob. The rear suspension is progressive enough towards the middle and end to keep from bottoming out, yet supple in the beginning to soak up rocks and roots. I think it's a good balance of support throughout the travel really.

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    How do you think it would fare with a coil? I know they offer an MRP coil and I am contemplating seeing if they'll let me upgrade to that suspension package even though it's not an option for the comp.

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    There is a guy with the screen name MTBEU here that put one in his. He said he really likes it. The MRP hazard has a progressive spring option. I'm definitely curious to try one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evanofd View Post
    How do you think it would fare with a coil? I know they offer an MRP coil and I am contemplating seeing if they'll let me upgrade to that suspension package even though it's not an option for the comp.

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    It is amazing with the MRP coil. I have a bunch of rides on the La Sal with it, biggest benefit youíll get is traction. Corners and plows through the chunk so awesome. I love mine.




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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBEU View Post
    It is amazing with the MRP coil. I have a bunch of rides on the La Sal with it, biggest benefit youíll get is traction. Corners and plows through the chunk so awesome. I love mine.




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    How does it pedal in the open mode? I like that I can leave the Super Deluxe open and not mess with the climb switch. Do you get anymore pedal bob with the MRP?

    Also, just curious in case I decide to get one, what spring rate are you running and how much do you weigh? I'd like to try and get the right spring the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evanofd View Post
    How do you guys like it for a little more short punchy kinda stuff. I live in Michigan but travel to Arkansas and the UP so the extra travel would be nice compared to the signal. My local trails are up and down constantly.
    Thanks for any help
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    surprisingly rad for me too. low speed tech like log ride skinnies, check. punchy steep climb (gettin anaerobic), apex is a funky log with other logs piled next to it on both sides, check. fast down, into rutted rock garden, into g-out, back up steep rocky climb w/roots thrown in, take the hard line. climbing out of a creek bed, off camber, multiple lines, holds a line up off camber sections (at least w/the awesome traction the other day). w/the big wheels and momentum it just kinda floats over obstacles once you get it goin. too bad it's rainin this weekend!

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    Look what the FedEx man dropped off yesterday. Elite with a Ribbon coil up front.

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    Even came with a nice note on the box, everyone say "awwww."

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    Excellent packing job

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    My only gripe, and it's very, very small in the overall scheme of things, is that the front brake hose and dropper cable need to be shortened to appropriate lengths. No biggie, I can do that myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryman View Post
    Look what the FedEx man dropped off yesterday. Elite with a Ribbon coil up front.
    How long did it take to receive from the time you put in the order? Currently waiting for my LSP. Pretty excited!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryman View Post
    Look what the FedEx man dropped off yesterday. Elite with a Ribbon coil up front.
    Awesome! I've heard good things about the Ribbon coil. Let us know how it rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bull_dozer View Post
    How long did it take to receive from the time you put in the order? Currently waiting for my LSP. Pretty excited!
    Ordered mine on a Wednesday and it showed up the following Thursday. I received an email from FedEx the Tuesday before it showed up with shipping info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bull_dozer View Post
    How long did it take to receive from the time you put in the order? Currently waiting for my LSP. Pretty excited!
    Ordered 12/28, arrived 1/30. They told me @ a month, which they said was 2 weeks longer than usual since I ordered a 41mm offset on the Ribbon and MRP has to make those. I told them to take their time, I wasn't in a hurry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 05stroker View Post
    Awesome! I've heard good things about the Ribbon coil. Let us know how it rides.

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    Yeah, after messing with and modifying air shocks for the last couple of decades, I'm happy to be back on a coil. Nothing more than driveway rides in yet, I'm looking forward to getting it dialed in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryman View Post
    Yeah, after messing with and modifying air shocks for the last couple of decades, I'm happy to be back on a coil. Nothing more than driveway rides in yet, I'm looking forward to getting it dialed in.
    I hear ya. I'm pretty happy with the Super Deluxe and Lyrik so far, but I'm really thinking about trying that MRP Hazard rear coil shock though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 05stroker View Post
    I hear ya. I'm pretty happy with the Super Deluxe and Lyrik so far, but I'm really thinking about trying that MRP Hazard rear coil shock though.

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    I was on the fence with putting a coil on the rear as well, but decided to start with the SD and see how it goes. IME, because of the leverage ratio, if you run bearings in your rear shock and have it tuned well, it'll be pretty darn supple. In a fork though, it's night and day and only gets worse between rebuilds. With such a new bike too, I want to see what other people think after riding it with a coil before I commit. May work well, may not, may need a progressive spring, may not.

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    I took my La Sal to Tiger Mountain for the first time yesterday. I went up and rode OTG down, then cut across a couple trails and then down East Bound and Down (EBAD). The bike handled it all very well. Tiger has some pretty technical sections and this bike gave me all the confidence I needed to get down. I did swap out the bars, it came with 20mm rise Raceface Turbine R's. I put some Renthal 40mm rise Fatbars on with some ODI grips. Feels much better for me. I was having too much fun rallying down the mountain and didn't take any pics. So I took one when I got home. All covered in mud.

    I went out today on some xc trails and still shocked how well this bike does everything.



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    OTG is a fun trail, good test for a bike like the La Sal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    OTG is a fun trail, good test for a bike like the La Sal.
    I agree, it was a blast. I little wet and slippery to up the intensity yesterday too.

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    Took my new LSP out for the first time today - really awesome bike! Really liking the steep STA and how the bike climbs. I cleared certain climbing sections today that I had NEVER cleared previously. Super impressed! Felt really stable on the descents too. Looking forward to getting some more riding time in and playing with the suspension settings, etc.

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    Anyone consider, or currently, running this in the 27.5+ mode? I was pretty firmly set on getting an aluminum GG Shred Dog this spring, but with the roll-out of their new models, that's put the LSP at the top of the list in the + mode. I'm already running a 150/130 mm + bike that I like. The new Shredd Dog seems, well, nerfed, and close enough to what I'm now running to make a change pointless.
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    If I had money burning a hole in my pocket, I'd consider a 27.5 wheelset with 2.8"s for bushwacking. Which I do from time to time laying out trails, and a buddy I ride with can ride trail-less sideslope on 3" minions that I can't come close to managing on 2.5's. Other than that, I don't really need anything bigger than 2.6". There's a ton of clearance, so why not if that's what you like to ride?

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    I'd totally get a 27.5 wheelset for your La Sal!

    I've got Signal Peak with 29 x 2.6 and 27.5 x 2.8 wheelsets, currently running the 27.5 for snow duty, which really changes the character of the bike, makes it much more of a trail ripper.

    Maybe Fezzari could make you a deal on a second wheelset?
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    How is the La Sal for non downhill, non 6+ft drops etc type of riding? Is it a capababke single track / trail type of bike or is it really just enduro / downhill type of bike? My riding is almost all single track and trail level stuff. No super climbing, no 3000 foot elevation changes etc. heck not even a 300 foot elevation change. So no bonbing down mountains etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cue003 View Post
    How is the La Sal for non downhill, non 6+ft drops etc type of riding? Is it a capababke single track / trail type of bike or is it really just enduro / downhill type of bike? My riding is almost all single track and trail level stuff. No super climbing, no 3000 foot elevation changes etc. heck not even a 300 foot elevation change. So no bonbing down mountains etc.

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    That's a tough question to answer. It's kind of a preference thing. What are you riding now? And what got you looking at the La Sal Peak? I've ridden mine on XC type trails and it does great. My local trails just got hammered by snow so I took the family on a ride down the pavement bike path in town. I still had fun bunny hoping over piles of snow and trying to manual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watermonkey View Post
    Anyone consider, or currently, running this in the 27.5+ mode? I was pretty firmly set on getting an aluminum GG Shred Dog this spring, but with the roll-out of their new models, that's put the LSP at the top of the list in the + mode. I'm already running a 150/130 mm + bike that I like. The new Shredd Dog seems, well, nerfed, and close enough to what I'm now running to make a change pointless.
    I have both wheelsets. Itís amazing in 27.5+.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBEU View Post
    I have both wheelsets. Itís amazing in 27.5+.


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    Damnit. Thanks. Ka-ching $!$!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBEU View Post
    I have both wheelsets. Itís amazing in 27.5+.


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    Do they sell it as a 27.5+ option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHROMAG19 View Post
    Do they sell it as a 27.5+ option?
    Yes, in the check out process you pick which size wheels you want it to come with. There's a flip chip in the lower shock mount to switch back and forth.

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    Would any of you that have the bike, mind taking a closeup picture of the lower shock link??

    I'm interested in getting this bike and I have a DB Coil IL that I would like to use as a second shock but Im not sure it would fit with the chip set in low.

    Most of the pictures i see online are from the side so its hard to see what kind of clearance is in there.

    I'm looking at the pictures with the X2 and it looks pretty snug. The DB coil IL is wide at both ends so it may clash with the link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 05stroker View Post
    Yes, in the check out process you pick which size wheels you want it to come with. There's a flip chip in the lower shock mount to switch back and forth.

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    I'm getting really, really close to doing this. If anyone can think of any reason not to, speak up. When my wife kills me for getting another bike, I'm going to blame all of you for not stopping me.

    EDIT: Too late for help. Order placed. I must be doing something right, because my wife didn't bat an eye.

    They were out of the olive color, have a cement 27.5+ comp on order.
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    When you look on their website, how do you know what brakes, bars, saddle, dropper post, etc. that come with each build? I donít see that listed anywhere or even as selectable options.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TermiLVR7 View Post
    When you look on their website, how do you know what brakes, bars, saddle, dropper post, etc. that come with each build? I donít see that listed anywhere or even as selectable options.


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    When you are looking at all the uilds at once there's a button to" see full build". If you hit that it will show you the build for every one


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    Hey - this might seem like an odd question, but Fezzari is claiming that Bikerumor named the La Sal Peak the bike of the year, but I can't find evidence of this on Bikerumor's website... anyone seen that? Don't get me wrong - I own and love the bike, but that's quite an accolade - I'd just like to see it backed up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by powderturns View Post
    Hey - this might seem like an odd question, but Fezzari is claiming that Bikerumor named the La Sal Peak the bike of the year, but I can't find evidence of this on Bikerumor's website... anyone seen that? Don't get me wrong - I own and love the bike, but that's quite an accolade - I'd just like to see it backed up...
    It might be this??

    https://bikerumor.com/2018/12/13/bik...es-gear-picks/

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    The pic below is looking down on the rear triangle of my large La Sal Peak, 27.5+, Maxxis 2.8 recons on i35 wtb rims. There be gobs of room for meatier tires if one was so inclined. Don't think I'll be taking this beyond the 2.8 though. I am curious as to how fat of a 29er will fit in here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by watermonkey View Post
    I am curious as to how fat of a 29er will fit in here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cue003 View Post
    How is the La Sal for non downhill, non 6+ft drops etc type of riding? Is it a capababke single track / trail type of bike or is it really just enduro / downhill type of bike? My riding is almost all single track and trail level stuff. No super climbing, no 3000 foot elevation changes etc. heck not even a 300 foot elevation change. So no bonbing down mountains etc.

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    I've tested many of the new steep seat angle, long travel bikes. They are best going downhill at warp speed. Seated climbing are not their specialty because most of these bikes will be pedaled slowly uphill then at incredibly fun speeds on descents and twisties. I'd hate to spend hours upon hours and 10,000 feet climbing on any steep STA, slack front end, 140mm+ bike. Look at the effective toptube for the most important geometry spec for your needs pedaling on flat terrain. You'll feel like a monkey humping a football.

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    I am seriously considering a LSP as my next bike. The only thing holding me back is a clear answer to this question. I ride a mix of terrain with most of my riding on rocky, rooty singletrack with short, punchy climbs. Stroker05 says that he enjoyed the bike on xc trails, westin thinks riding this bike on flat trails is like a desert romance. Actually I couldn't really understand westin's comment so I will try asking the question in a different way. Does anyone from the northeast own a LSP? If so, how do you like it on your local singletrack?

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    I agree with this guy's review.



    I also live in the west and am a fan of long travel bikes, they suit my local terrain. It might be too big of a bike for you though based on where you ride? Hard to say.

    I don't agree with Westin, but what do I know? I just own one. It takes a bit to get used to the seat angle, since it was a big change from my last bike, but it's fine on flat/rolling terrain.

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    I too like this review, and in fact it was one of the factors that led me to finally make the purchase of the LSP in 27.5+. The shots he showed of punchy, techy, rolling terrain he alluded to in Moab, St. George and Hurricane is the exact type of riding I love to do - on these same trails when we visit family in St. George, and we hit Moab regularly. Thanksgiving riding on Gooseberry Mesa on my other 27.5+ is when I decided I was getting a new ride, either a GG Shredd Dog, or the LSP (both with really steep seat angles). I've only a few short rides on this - currently dodging weather systems trying to get to somewhere between Grand Junction and Moab in the next 3-4 days to get a better feel, but so far I'm digging it. As soon as the terrrain pitches up, at all, the geometry makes total sense for climbing.
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    Thanks for the review and feedback. The comments about popping the front end over rocks addressed my primary concern. I am ok giving up some maneuverability to get more capability to handle the bigger features and reduce the pounding. I hope to find an opportunity to demo a process 153 29er before making my final decision.

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    Hey Stu. Where are you located? There are a couple of us on Long Island that have LSPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stu Pidassle View Post
    I am seriously considering a LSP as my next bike. The only thing holding me back is a clear answer to this question. I ride a mix of terrain with most of my riding on rocky, rooty singletrack with short, punchy climbs. Stroker05 says that he enjoyed the bike on xc trails, westin thinks riding this bike on flat trails is like a desert romance. Actually I couldn't really understand westin's comment so I will try asking the question in a different way. Does anyone from the northeast own a LSP? If so, how do you like it on your local singletrack?

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    Where are you located Stu? There are a couple of us on Long Island that have LSPs that you can demo if you'd like?

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    Thanks for the offer, I am in Mass. LMK if you are ever in the Boston area. I did find this review from a fellow Masshole https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...KxgoVS6UK50_5D

    Very promising if I learn how to use a dropper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stu Pidassle View Post
    Thanks for the offer, I am in Mass. LMK if you are ever in the Boston area. I did find this review from a fellow Masshole https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...KxgoVS6UK50_5D

    Very promising if I learn how to use a dropper.

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    Stu, thanks for the link to the review.

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    If you are on the fence about buying this bike I would say go for it! It has been one of the most fun bikes I have ever ridden. Pedals well descends really well! I bought the frame and fork only and built it up. I think the short offset fork makes a difference in how well the bike handles.
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    If you are on the fence about buying this bike I would say go for it! It has been one of the most fun bikes I have ever ridden. Pedals well descends really well! I bought the frame and fork only and built it up. I think the short offset fork makes a difference in how well the bike handles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gryeti View Post
    If you are on the fence about buying this bike I would say go for it! It has been one of the most fun bikes I have ever ridden. Pedals well descends really well! I bought the frame and fork only and built it up. I think the short offset fork makes a difference in how well the bike handles.
    Nice! It doesn't look like you are having issues getting behind the saddle in the photo.

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    Nice! It doesn't look like you are having issues getting behind the saddle in the photo.

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    No issues at all for me. I do not even think about it.

    I have been riding it in the 27.5+ setting with 29 wheels. It actually climbs better for me over the chunk here in AZ as I have more pedal clearance. I guess I give up a little on the downs with this setting but I might leave until the bike parks open up. It is great having the option to try out different settings.

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    Just got home from camping and riding 4 days in Fruita on my 27.5+ La Sal Peak, Comp build. We hadn't been to 18 road in several years, so just set up camp there, missed the storms and crowds, and rode multiple times a day. As everyone in the family was transitioning onto new to them bikes, camp was more like a race pit, parts were flying between bikes, tire sizes swapped, stems exchanged, bars switched out, saddles moved, droppers swapped between bikes, suspension tokens added, removed, etc. 18 road is perfect for this, as the laps are short and fun (and fast) and its easy to assess changes made. While there's not a lot of techy stuff there (especially compared to lunch loops and the Mary's loop complex nearby), there's enough to get bike fit dialed and suspension set up, and depending on the trail you're riding at the minute, plenty of really steep punchy climbs and descents...and the ability to rack up as many miles as you're non-seasoned nether regions can handle on a saddle this early in the season.

    Here's my take on the La Sal Peak 50+ miles of singletrack later. I did not make a mistake getting this bike. It climbs better than anything I've rode before, is nimble enough for tight and slow speed climbing, and descends ridiculously well.

    Someone mentioned prior about not being able to get behind the seat. Stock, mine came with a 125mm dropper (why? who knows). For the first few days, I did actually find that the saddle was in the way, and affected my ability to move around on the bike - both side to side and fore aft. Once I switched over to a 160 mm dropper, the bike really came alive. It still takes more effort to get the front end up, but it is way easier with the longer dropper - and I suspect this will come with more miles and modified technique. Truly my only complaint.

    I did run 27.5 x 3.0's on this, but its totally overkill and unnecessary. The Maxxis 2.8's (which we all know are smaller than that) were absolutely perfect. I did not like the skinnier 2.6's I tried for a run, but I'll take girth over circumference any day - so likely will not try the 29 x 2.6 route.

    I did find myself flipping into climb (trail?) mode on the the Super Deluxe RC3 for extended climbs, as I was experiencing more pedal bob than I'm used to on my other bikes, but haven't been on a horst link in a while - no complaints, and as I said, this thing climbs better than anything else I've been on.

    I've fought knee issues for the last couple seasons, and limped my way through ski seasons with a meaty knee brace. I come to expect a sore knee after several days of riding, especially when making lap after lap after lap. This was not the case this year, ever. I hoped that the steeper seat tube angle would provide for better pedaling ergonomics for my knee, and I suspect that this is exactly what I experienced.

    The geometry of the this bike is really eye opening for me. So much so, that I moved my 11 year old son from his small framed full suspension to a large frame (same model of full suspension bike - so size was the only difference), reversed the seat clamp on the dropper so the saddle is really far forward (looks goofy) and put a really short (30mm) stem on the front.....basically trying to copy the steep seat tube angle long reach of the Peak. In the morning, he rode his small framed bike. After lunch, he rode the "modernized" large frame set up for him. He dropped his mom and I on the climbs like nothing I've ever seen before. For those of you that have been to 18 road, if you know the entrance climb into Chutes and ladders at the top of Prime cut, you know its a steep s.o.b. My son had been trying to clean that for the entire trip - first time on the "new" geometry and he cranked it out. There's definitely something to this.

    Anyway, long story short - awesome bike. Might be hard for the mere mortal to do super trialsy things on, but I love it.
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    So you spun the dropper 180 degrees so the offset is forward? Iíve wanted to do this to correct the actual seat angles on so many bikes. I thought I might run into a problem where the seat itself would be nose up on some posts. You didnít have this problem? The adjustability was good enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by powderturns View Post
    So you spun the dropper 180 degrees so the offset is forward? Iíve wanted to do this to correct the actual seat angles on so many bikes. I thought I might run into a problem where the seat itself would be nose up on some posts. You didnít have this problem? The adjustability was good enough?
    Yep - offset is forward. Its an older Crank Brother's Joplin - surprisingly still running strong. These can be reversed, without any angle issues. Looks hella goofy. Plus, on these old Joplins, you can cut off about 2.5" inches from the bottom to help with insertion depths, especially for kids. Getting droppers that are short enough with short enough stroke for kids that really ride is a problem, especially on most full suspension bikes these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by watermonkey View Post

    Someone mentioned prior about not being able to get behind the seat. Stock, mine came with a 125mm dropper (why? who knows). For the first few days, I did actually find that the saddle was in the way, and affected my ability to move around on the bike - both side to side and fore aft. Once I switched over to a 160 mm dropper, the bike really came alive. It still takes more effort to get the front end up, but it is way easier with the longer dropper - and I suspect this will come with more miles and modified technique. Truly my only complaint.
    Great write-up. For reference how tall are you, and what size bike you got??



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    Quote Originally Posted by Apolonios View Post
    Great write-up. For reference how tall are you, and what size bike you got??



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    5'10" when I'm not slouching, 31" ish inseam, riding a large frame, 160 mm Crank Brothers highline dropper post, set 1 1/2 plus inches above the collar, so its not buried...I have room to work with.

    Another note...seatpost is slipping down, afraid to crank on the qr seat clamp anymore, it being a carbon frame. I'm assuming this is a good application for fiber grip? Please advise.
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    @watermonkey

    Fiber grip/paste should fix that. I dumped the stock QR and got a BikeYoke clamp on my Signal Peak and it holds really good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kloz76 View Post
    Hey Stu. Where are you located? There are a couple of us on Long Island that have LSPs.
    You guys with LSP in the northeast, how do you like it? Im concerned the 78 degree seat angle is going to shift my weight too far forward. Did you have to change how you ride so you dont get pitched over the bars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfl3 View Post
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    Fiber grip/paste should fix that. I dumped the stock QR and got a BikeYoke clamp on my Signal Peak and it holds really good.
    second that - that's actually one of the few weak points on the spec. it shouldn't come with a quick release...

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    Finally got both a day off and a weather window to line up. Home trails are drying out, upper trails still snowy, muddy, closed for critical winter habitat for the rest of the month. Tons of snow left up high - gonna take a while.

    The bike is ridiculous. So very fun, both going up and down. Its just soooo easy to pedal uphill, I can't get over it. Rode from home to the trailhead, 2 miles at most, but usually, this early in the season, the road climb sucks. Not today, it just didn't matter. Spin away, smile on the face, up, up you go. No kidding, I felt both young (which I'm not) and light (also, not). Damn this thing is fun.

    Oh yeah, 3 water bottles mounts is awesomeness. Outside bottle crammed with CO2's and inflator, 27.5 tube, tire lever, quick link, band aids, and something else that I can't remember. Multi tool with chain tool, puncture plugger + bacon strips, spare contact lense, and cell phone in stem bag. 2 water bottles enough for 2 hours and 10+ miles. First ride in many a year without a pack.....love it.

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    I agree, the steep seat tube angle has been a revelation for me. I was expecting it to rip on the downs, and it does, climbing is just... easier. A more efficient position really. I find no downside to it, the bike is fine on the flats and rolling terrain, with the seat up or down.

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    Another good review. Ive been on the fence about ordering one of these. That 78 degree seat tube angle has to have some drawbacks. Are you using mostly your quads when seated like that and not your hammies or glutes? Im a little worried how it might do in pedaly chunky terrain. Especially when you see something unexpected or goof up. Is it more likely to buck you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Another good review. Ive been on the fence about ordering one of these. That 78 degree seat tube angle has to have some drawbacks. Are you using mostly your quads when seated like that and not your hammies or glutes? Im a little worried how it might do in pedaly chunky terrain. Especially when you see something unexpected or goof up. Is it more likely to buck you?

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    The steep seat tube angle has no drawbacks that I can feel. The geometry is actually better on my lower back. I think Fezzari nailed it with this bike between the seat tube angle and the suspension. I have never ridden a bike that tracks up technical climbs so well.

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    Anyone 5'6" ride a small or med? Not sure what size to get. Im getting a frameset so its tricky. Anyone seen the matte green? Hows it look?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gryeti View Post
    The steep seat tube angle has no drawbacks that I can feel.
    Same

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Anyone 5'6" ride a small or med? Not sure what size to get. Im getting a frameset so its tricky. Anyone seen the matte green? Hows it look?

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    I have seen the matte green and I really liked it. Either color is great. I am still happy with the gray.
    Im not much help on sizing but I am just over 5'9" on a large. I am usually on a medium but decided on the large with the steep seat tube. I really like the fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Anyone 5'6" ride a small or med? Not sure what size to get. Im getting a frameset so its tricky. Anyone seen the matte green? Hows it look?

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    https://www.fezzari.com/support/fit

    Check out that link. It describes how to take the measurements they use to size their bikes and components. Give them a call and give them your measurements and see what they suggest. Their customer service is really good.

    I'm 6'3" on an XL. My seat is about 2" higher than my bars without me on it. On technical ups and downs I've never had the sensation that I'm going over the bars or going to get bucked over the bars. I ride it on everything from xc type trails to all mountain type stuff. Also plan on taking it to Whistler this summer. I haven't found anywhere that I'm not happy with it.

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    Anyone try different forks other than a Lyrik or Fox 36 on their La Sal? Im building a La Sal from the frame up and have a Lyrik but was thinking of trying a Mrp Ribbon 160mm (air or coil). The offset is 46mm instead of 44mm. Will that make a difference? What do you think?

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    I've got a ribbon coil on mine, 41 offset. I doubt you'd notice a 2mm difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryman View Post
    I've got a ribbon coil on mine, 41 offset. I doubt you'd notice a 2mm difference.
    Hows the coil working for you?

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    The Manitou Mezzer is coming out in a month. Youíre going to want one. 37mm stanchions and a smart damper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Hows the coil working for you?

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    It's great, and becoming more even supple. I understand that it takes @ 100 miles for the seals to break in. I haven't run a coil since the old Marz bomber days, and while air forks have come a hell of a long way, this is better out of the box than the Pike I heavily tweaked and modified to work well. The MRP had everything I wanted in a fork, if I didn't have a choice, I would have dropped a coil into the Lyrik that it would have come with. Since coils are becoming more available, I don't see ever going back to air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watermonkey View Post
    Finally got both a day off and a weather window to line up. Home trails are drying out, upper trails still snowy, muddy, closed for critical winter habitat for the rest of the month. Tons of snow left up high - gonna take a while.

    The bike is ridiculous. So very fun, both going up and down. Its just soooo easy to pedal uphill, I can't get over it. Rode from home to the trailhead, 2 miles at most, but usually, this early in the season, the road climb sucks. Not today, it just didn't matter. Spin away, smile on the face, up, up you go. No kidding, I felt both young (which I'm not) and light (also, not). Damn this thing is fun.

    Oh yeah, 3 water bottles mounts is awesomeness. Outside bottle crammed with CO2's and inflator, 27.5 tube, tire lever, quick link, band aids, and something else that I can't remember. Multi tool with chain tool, puncture plugger + bacon strips, spare contact lense, and cell phone in stem bag. 2 water bottles enough for 2 hours and 10+ miles. First ride in many a year without a pack.....love it.

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    I appreciate your input on the bike with 27.5+s on it. I have one on order, another 5 weeks or so out though, and am still trying to decide on wheel size. I know the pros and cons of each, I just can't decide if the 27.5s would be more playful and fun or not. I'm getting a Large frame size. I'm just in Northern Utah too, but I plan on riding everywhere. I always wonder if 29s would be "too large" for some areas.

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    Spent a long weekend dodging storms and riding at Klondike Bluffs north of Moab. For the most part, we stayed on the northern end, accessing climbing trails via Dynoflow and one short stint on EKG (monkey no likey EKG much). Had some super fun climbs and downhills, and got to know this bike a little better.

    Climbing - most of the real climbs were done on Megasteps and Babysteps. Fun, chunky, somewhat sustained, and a few rollable but chunky step ups. This bike definitely climbs well, but the long wheelbase takes some management - doable, but it takes work. The front end does like to wander in these situations. Not as nimble as my former, shorter wheelbased 27.5+ behind the LaSal in the pic below. Tight switchback are, well...interesting. I didn't feel the need, nor ever have the desire to be on 29'ers - this things long enough as it is. All that being said, climbing Babysteps was the most fun I've had going uphill in a long time.

    Descending on chunk and bumpy slick rock - The stuff this bike can handle is amazing. Eye watering speeds through stuff that I've never taken as fast before. It just goes. However, for me, this bike needs more stack. Thinking about switching over to riser bars, or at least a riser stem, but those are hard come by in any significant height increase for a 35mm bar. The front end is just too low when bombing down stuff to effectively weight the front end without feeling "over the top" - feel like I'm on a 29er XC race rig. Don't get me wrong, this thing goes, and does it fast, but my ergonomics need more stack. Also thinking about dropping in a DSD runt on the front - could help with the "stack" by riding higher in the fork travel.

    Pedaling chunk - The south end of Dynoflow is fairly smooth and flowy soil trail (for the Moab area), the Northern most mile, which we rode many times accessing other trails, is pretty chunky rock, with a lot of up short ups and downs. This bike sucks on that terrain. The only way I was able to get any steady "flow" was with the saddle down and out of the way and standing and pedaling. My wife and kid just flat out dropped me on this section of trail. I think a part of it has to do with the "lack of stack" I mentioned before. This could be totally different with riser bars and a more upright riding posture...maybe. The other part could have something to do with the long wheelbase. I don't know, but I just couldn't get this bike to go on this terrain. Very herky jerky, and felt like the front end just kept trying to stuff itself. I kept thinking about the east coaster's wondering how this bike would do on the chunky granite strewn trails back there...maybe not so well. Then again, there are those trails where the chunk frequency matches your wheelbase, and it just gets choppy.

    Pedal strikes - galore. I'm just learning to use them as added traction now while climbing. Tons of em. But, my old 27.5+ (blue bike in pic) has a high bb for a 27.5+, and my wife was casing pedals left and right, so maybe its just the trails. First time I've been to this part of Moab, so I don't have a reference point.



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    Quote Originally Posted by watermonkey View Post
    Spent a long weekend dodging storms and riding at Klondike Bluffs north of Moab. For the most part, we stayed on the northern end, accessing climbing trails via Dynoflow and one short stint on EKG (monkey no likey EKG much). Had some super fun climbs and downhills, and got to know this bike a little better.

    Climbing - most of the real climbs were done on Megasteps and Babysteps. Fun, chunky, somewhat sustained, and a few rollable but chunky step ups. This bike definitely climbs well, but the long wheelbase takes some management - doable, but it takes work. The front end does like to wander in these situations. Not as nimble as my former, shorter wheelbased 27.5+ behind the LaSal in the pic below. Tight switchback are, well...interesting. I didn't feel the need, nor ever have the desire to be on 29'ers - this things long enough as it is. All that being said, climbing Babysteps was the most fun I've had going uphill in a long time.

    Descending on chunk and bumpy slick rock - The stuff this bike can handle is amazing. Eye watering speeds through stuff that I've never taken as fast before. It just goes. However, for me, this bike needs more stack. Thinking about switching over to riser bars, or at least a riser stem, but those are hard come by in any significant height increase for a 35mm bar. The front end is just too low when bombing down stuff to effectively weight the front end without feeling "over the top" - feel like I'm on a 29er XC race rig. Don't get me wrong, this thing goes, and does it fast, but my ergonomics need more stack. Also thinking about dropping in a DSD runt on the front - could help with the "stack" by riding higher in the fork travel.

    Pedaling chunk - The south end of Dynoflow is fairly smooth and flowy soil trail (for the Moab area), the Northern most mile, which we rode many times accessing other trails, is pretty chunky rock, with a lot of up short ups and downs. This bike sucks on that terrain. The only way I was able to get any steady "flow" was with the saddle down and out of the way and standing and pedaling. My wife and kid just flat out dropped me on this section of trail. I think a part of it has to do with the "lack of stack" I mentioned before. This could be totally different with riser bars and a more upright riding posture...maybe. The other part could have something to do with the long wheelbase. I don't know, but I just couldn't get this bike to go on this terrain. Very herky jerky, and felt like the front end just kept trying to stuff itself. I kept thinking about the east coaster's wondering how this bike would do on the chunky granite strewn trails back there...maybe not so well. Then again, there are those trails where the chunk frequency matches your wheelbase, and it just gets choppy.

    Pedal strikes - galore. I'm just learning to use them as added traction now while climbing. Tons of em. But, my old 27.5+ (blue bike in pic) has a high bb for a 27.5+, and my wife was casing pedals left and right, so maybe its just the trails. First time I've been to this part of Moab, so I don't have a reference point.



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    Wow. This is the first negative review Ive seen. Makes me wonder about the frame im getting. I ordered a small which has the 2nd shortest WB of bikes i was considering (Niner rip9 and knolly fugitive, but the knolly is super boost in the rear). Maybe you were on the wrong size frame? Are you going to keep the bike or return it?

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    Is the BB lower in 27.5 than in 29? I haven't checked, but I rarely get pedal strikes in 29.

    It's a long bike, but my previous long travel 29er was as well, so it feels "normal" to me and I have no trouble getting around switchbacks. Or maybe I do, but just don't know any better since that's what I'm used to lol.

    Agreed, the faster you go, the better it gets. It's like a boat, once you get it up on plane, obstacles just disappear. I've been working on dialing the suspension to deal with slower speed babyhead chunk, which I feel is suspension bit related and not bike frame related.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryman View Post
    Is the BB lower in 27.5 than in 29? I haven't checked, but I rarely get pedal strikes in 29.

    It's a long bike, but my previous long travel 29er was as well, so it feels "normal" to me and I have no trouble getting around switchbacks. Or maybe I do, but just don't know any better since that's what I'm used to lol.

    Agreed, the faster you go, the better it gets. It's like a boat, once you get it up on plane, obstacles just disappear. I've been working on dialing the suspension to deal with slower speed babyhead chunk, which I feel is suspension bit related and not bike frame related.
    I think it is a little lower in 27.5+. I think pedal strikes are the norm for some of these trails I'm referencing. I feel I hit a little more than I would've on my other bike, but I knew the LaSal has a low BB, so I'm willing to take a few more hits in exhange for the benefits. I agree some of the chunk issue could be suspension related, and working on getting that dialed in. Adding a fair amount of rebound during some of the steeper climbs made a difference - so this bike definitely does respond to different suspension settings.

    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Wow. This is the first negative review Ive seen. Makes me wonder about the frame im getting. I ordered a small which has the 2nd shortest WB of bikes i was considering (Niner rip9 and knolly fugitive, but the knolly is super boost in the rear). Maybe you were on the wrong size frame? Are you going to keep the bike or return it?

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    I wouldn't call it a negative review at all, just not a gushing fanboy review. The climbs were a blast, just a little different and a little more challenging in some instances than on other bikes, but way easier most of the time. I cleaned some techy stuff the first time I tried it, not sure I would've on my other bike. Yes, in some situations, this bike isn't ideal. There were a lot of instances where I was having an absolute blast and my wife and or son were getting beat up - so it goes both ways. Techy, slow speed super chunky crawls might not be its forte, but maybe with some bike fitment adjustments that will change. I've rode this bike in 3 very different locations now, and racked up some decent, repetitive miles in each, and have very little to complain about, but I still need to get it dialed in and fitting right. This bike, to date, is the most capable bike I've ever played on. It is a super fun ride that can go virtually anywhere, up or down, and do it very well. But, I'm also not going to blow smoke and tell everyone that its better than an XC bike when pedaled and also blows away downhill bikes on the descent.
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    From what you describe im guessing on the slow speed techy chunk you need to build up some speed as you approach for the bike to really shine. That goes along with what im expecting anyway

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    I don't have enough miles on mine (<100) where it feels like an old pair of jeans, it's still got that new jeans feel. I'm still figuring out some nuances with weighting and body position in the corners and I have a bunch of fiddling to do with the suspension. I feel like it should be more supple with low speed chunk having as much travel as it does, but like I said earlier, I think I need to work with the shocks themselves. It's starting to feel like my bike, and I'm entering into the fine tuning stage of things. I haven't found anything significant to complain about yet, which quite honestly would likely be the case with any top shelf bike.

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    So I got my La Sal frame today. I was planning on getting the grey but at the last moment changed my mind for the matte green. It looks pretty cool in person. Fezzari did a good job wrapping and shipping it. The size small frame i got does not have the support tube along the seat tube-top tube junction. With the shock, seat collar and rear axle it weighed 6lb 13oz. I have all the other parts I need in a box, I just need to get building.

    One other nice thing about getting a frame is that when my wife asked if i bought another bike I was able to say "no, i bought a frame..."

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    Oohh that looks hot.

    I prefer gray to green but I like mate more than gloss, so I keep going back and forward.

    A least most of the really good looking builds in Instagram are in green.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    So I got my La Sal frame today. I was planning on getting the grey but at the last moment changed my mind for the matte green. It looks pretty cool in person. Fezzari did a good job wrapping and shipping it. The size small frame i got does not have the support tube along the seat tube-top tube junction. With the shock, seat collar and rear axle it weighed 6lb 13oz. I have all the other parts I need in a box, I just need to get building.

    One other nice thing about getting a frame is that when my wife asked if i bought another bike I was able to say "no, i bought a frame..."

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    Awesome! Can't wait to see it all built up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watermonkey View Post

    Thinking about switching over to riser bars, or at least a riser stem, but those are hard come by in any significant height increase for a 35mm bar. The front end is just too low when bombing down stuff to effectively weight the front end without feeling "over the top" - feel like I'm on a 29er XC race rig. Don't get me wrong, this thing goes, and does it fast, but my ergonomics need more stack.




    I had the same feeling with the bar height/ stack. I found these Renthal Fat bars at my local shop. They have a 40mm rise. They made a big difference. I just bought a Kona Big Honzo and bought the same bars for it also.

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    Almost done. Still need to bleed rear brake and run dropper cable. Riding in my driveway feels pretty good. I havent messed with the suspension yet at all though. I feel really upright. Weird pedaling postion but i thinknill get used to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Almost done. Still need to bleed rear brake and run dropper cable. Riding in my driveway feels pretty good. I havent messed with the suspension yet at all though. I feel really upright. Weird pedaling postion but i thinknill get used to it

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    Looks good, are you planning on using frame protection??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apolonios View Post
    Looks good, are you planning on using frame protection??

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    I dont know. Maybe just on the rear triangle. Other than the obvious, are there places that the paint take a beating from small rocks etc?

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    Definitely anywhere cables are close to the frame especially near areas where the cable moves in relationship to the frame. I currently have an aluminum bike where the shift cables actually dug a wedge on the frame that has to be 3mm deep.

    Other places might be

    Anywhere where your thighs or heels are likely to rub against the frame.

    You could also try leaning the bike on the floor and see which parts of the frame are likely to contact the floor 1st.

    If you have a tailgate pad, where the pad meets the frame.

    Look at your previous bike and see where its all scuffed for ideas

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Almost done. Still need to bleed rear brake and run dropper cable. Riding in my driveway feels pretty good. I havent messed with the suspension yet at all though. I feel really upright. Weird pedaling postion but i thinknill get used to it

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    I love the green frame and purple anno. That was risky, but looks sick!

    I think youíll love the seat tube angle too. You got to think itís optimized for steep climbs, which is the worst part of riding imo. So a little weird in the flats is a worthy trade off for the steep ups!

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    It definitely feels weird with the first riding around the driveway test, that goes away once you actually get on the trail. After a ride or two, it feels completely normal. Everyone who tries mine on the trail is "Woah, this is different!" then 5 minutes later "But I like it!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleMtnSlayer View Post
    I love the green frame and purple anno. That was risky, but looks sick!

    I think youíll love the seat tube angle too. You got to think itís optimized for steep climbs, which is the worst part of riding imo. So a little weird in the flats is a worthy trade off for the steep ups!
    Thanks. I was sure i woikd get grey until the last minute but took a chance with the matte green. Glad i did. Looks killer.

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    Flat green looks sweet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Almost done. Still need to bleed rear brake and run dropper cable. Riding in my driveway feels pretty good. I havent messed with the suspension yet at all though. I feel really upright. Weird pedaling postion but i thinknill get used to it

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    Looking great! The purple looks surprising good with the green.

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    Installed a riser stem, that's also a little longer. Has made a really big difference in how the bike handles. Has taken care of the stack issues I felt I was having. The longer stem seemed a little too long at first, but I'm really enjoying the added room in the cockpit with the added benefit of having more weight on the front end when in a neutral attack position. Climbs a little better too, less floppyness of the front end in steeper stuff, and stays on line better, really noticeable in switchbacks.

    Got a chance to ride in Durango early this week. While there, had DSD suspension install a Runt, and tune the damper on the Lyric RCT3 (comp build). Monday afternoon, I rode the 2 buttes trail which finishes with a super fun descent. Tuesday, post Runt install and DSD tune, rode it again. Holy bejeezus, what a huge difference. Love that fork now, and am really glad I didn't spring for a higher $$ build, given that RockShox redid their charger damper again. Buttery smooth now, excellent small bump compliance, great mid stroke support and great use of more travel without dive and bottoming out. The runt does what is says it does, and the new tune is plushy goodness. I'll add more detail in the suspension section on the Runt feedback post.
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    A custom tune can completely transform a fork, that is the truth. I swear they ship forks with god awful tunes for the most part.

    What's the length on the stem? I'm curious. Are you up much higher than your seat now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryman View Post
    What's the length on the stem? I'm curious. Are you up much higher than your seat now?
    I happened to have a 70mm +/- 6į for a 35 mm bar on another bike, so that's what I switched over to. It sounds long, and would be on other bikes, but this cockpit is so short, that it works. The front axle is still way out front. Multiple rides, and given that I am no longer thinking about fit, comfort, etc. probably means its what I needed. Bars are right about level with saddle at full extension now. I could probably just as easily do 60mm, but would need similar, if not more, rise (Still using the stock Fezzari 35mm low rise bars).

    First crash yesterday, deflected the front tire off a stump I didn't see in leaves on the inside of a turn, on singletrack I've ridden a hundred times. I was pushing it, because this bike just likes to go, looking a turn ahead and before I knew what was going on, the bike kicked left and I went right, shoulder and face down on the trail, hard. Been a while. Not hurt, just sore. Sometimes people around here give me some guff for riding the singletrack descent with my elbow pads and chin bar on, but they saved me some flesh yesterday.
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    I know this bike will feel good climbing and great descending when standing and the seat post down. How does it feel and handle when you are on flat or slightly descending trails and you are seated and pedaling hard/hammering? This is where I'm worried about the compact cockpit from the steep seat tube angle. Thanks for any insight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jusweb View Post
    I know this bike will feel good climbing and great descending when standing and the seat post down. How does it feel and handle when you are on flat or slightly descending trails and you are seated and pedaling hard/hammering? This is where I'm worried about the compact cockpit from the steep seat tube angle. Thanks for any insight!
    I went on my first ride on my La Sal today and did exactly what you're drscribing. I had no problem whatsoever. Within the first 50 feet i was hammering and popping off of stuff, thinking this is the best bike ever. Only one ride and new bike excitement but i had your same concerns and was not disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jusweb View Post
    I know this bike will feel good climbing and great descending when standing and the seat post down. How does it feel and handle when you are on flat or slightly descending trails and you are seated and pedaling hard/hammering? This is where I'm worried about the compact cockpit from the steep seat tube angle. Thanks for any insight!

    I have never noticed any issue with it at all. I have ridden it hard on some fast seated trails and it is just fun and fast.

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    Just ordered my LSP Elite with the fox upgrade a week ago, they quoted a lead time of 3-4 weeks, has anybody received their bike faster than the lead time they were quoted? (Iím sure hoping I do!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by greedy View Post
    Just ordered my LSP Elite with the fox upgrade a week ago, they quoted a lead time of 3-4 weeks, has anybody received their bike faster than the lead time they were quoted? (Iím sure hoping I do!)
    If it helps, I ordered mine back on Apr 22, and was quoted roughly 6 weeks, since they did not have frames in stock. I checked again this past Saturday, and they said it would still be another 2 weeks roughly, which is in line with what they said. I gather they are selling the bike in much higher quantities than expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greedy View Post
    Just ordered my LSP Elite with the fox upgrade a week ago, they quoted a lead time of 3-4 weeks, has anybody received their bike faster than the lead time they were quoted? (Iím sure hoping I do!)
    I was quoted 6 weeks but received it in 4. However I was frame only so I think that helps speed things up a bit.

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    I was quoted 3 weeks, got it in 11 days, but that was at the end of February, and it was still snowing. Petty much no-one was thinking about riding yet. I'm sure they're way busier now.
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    What have people done to make their suspension better on their La Sals? Ive got 2 rides in so far and have my RS super delux at about 35% sag and it feels pretty good. My Lyrik is at 29% sag with 3 clicks or slow speed compression and 2 clicks of high speed compression adjustment. Anyone try putting a MRP ramp control cartridge in. I havent changed the stock volume spacers yet. Im trying to get the fork to feel poppy but not dive through its travel. I have a Shockwiz that im using but honestly think the shockwiz makes stupid suggestions like keep lowering air until your at 40% sag. Anyway, what have people done to their bike to make it better?

    So far its the most fun bike ive ridden.

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    I ordered mine with a ribbon coil....

    I'm neutral on the Superdeluxe, I figured I'd give it a whirl, it's ok. I wish I had ordered a topaz instead, but it'll be fine until I start itching for something else. Maybe a coil next time
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    I have the Lyrik and Super Delux on mine. The Lyrik came with two spaces in it and the SD came with no spacers. I'm 230 pounds and running 245 psi in the rear to get 30% sag and around 105 psi in the front. I don't remember the sag number on the front. Both lsc and hsc are at 0 clicks. Looking for a little more liveliness I added 2 spacers to the rear and 2 spacers to the fork. It makes the bike much more lively, but I definitely did not use near s much travel. I took one spacer out of each and just haven't had a chance to get out again. I'm hoping it will be the happy medium. Not that I'm unhappy with the bike at all though.

    I've considered the MRP ramp control and talked to a couple people about them. I think the biggest benefit is that you can adjust the volume reduction on the trail without opening it up. I've heard it does feel a little more supple in slower speed stuff though than a stack of spacers.

    Check out the DSD Runt. It's a cartridge like the MRP but you fill it with air. It essentially gives you two separate air chambers. The smaller chamber will be set at a higher pressure. Once the shock compresses enough and the large chamber and small changed equalize the small chamber piston will start to move. They say it gives better midstroke support and a more linear feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 05stroker View Post
    Check out the DSD Runt. They say it gives better midstroke support and a more linear feel.
    It does.
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    Havenít got my bike yet, but I want to order a seatpost clamp so I can swap out the quick release when it gets here; anybody happen to know the correct size for the clamp? Iím looking at getting the Deity one and they make them in 29.8, 31.8, 34.9, and 36.4mm sizes.

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    So I was going over my La Sal after my 3rd ride and noticed this at drive side chainstay pivot. I scratched the area a bit and the paint kinda flaked off. I havent crashed and have never tightened the pivot bolt. I emailed Fezarri and their engineering people are going to look into it.

    Does this look normal? Im loving how the bike rides so far. If its just cosmetic i will live with it. I could send it back but i would have to take all the parts off as I built it myself. Pain in the butt to have to that and then rebuild a new frame when it could happen again i guess.

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    Looks like a superficial paint chip flaking off the epoxy substrate. If so thatís common for carbon bikes. Super annoying tho.

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    Let us know what you find out. I think it likes like a paint chip also but who knows. Its good you had them look into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greedy View Post
    Havenít got my bike yet, but I want to order a seatpost clamp so I can swap out the quick release when it gets here; anybody happen to know the correct size for the clamp? Iím looking at getting the Deity one and they make them in 29.8, 31.8, 34.9, and 36.4mm sizes.
    34.9

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    What tires are you all running on you La Sals? I have a hans dampf 2.4 rear and a magic mary 2.6 front. I had those tires so just put them on. Great traction but a bit heavy. Im going to try Kenda Hellkats 2.6 or maybe a Helldriver 2.4 if it ever gets dry around here. Does a 2.6 really fit in the rear of this frame?
    Im a bit of a tire junky so like to hear what others have tried

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    What tires are you all running on you La Sals? I have a hans dampf 2.4 rear and a magic mary 2.6 front. I had those tires so just put them on. Great traction but a bit heavy. Im going to try Kenda Hellkats 2.6 or maybe a Helldriver 2.4 if it ever gets dry around here. Does a 2.6 really fit in the rear of this frame?
    Im a bit of a tire junky so like to hear what others have tried

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    I am running 2.5 DHF up front and 2.5 aggressor rear on 30mm internal rims. I have enough room on the back with this set up. I do believe they say you can run a 2.6 on the rear but to sure how wide your rim can be. Hopefully someone can chime in and help us out!

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    For those of you have the LSP with the Fox Float X2 rear shock - does the O-ring go all the way to the end of the shaft for you? I've been playing with the air pressure a fair bit in my shock and can't seem to get the o-ring all the way to the end of the shaft... wondering if this is just the max that the shock extends with the LSP or if I am just not doing big enough drops to use the full stroke?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bull_dozer View Post
    For those of you have the LSP with the Fox Float X2 rear shock - does the O-ring go all the way to the end of the shaft for you? I've been playing with the air pressure a fair bit in my shock and can't seem to get the o-ring all the way to the end of the shaft... wondering if this is just the max that the shock extends with the LSP or if I am just not doing big enough drops to use the full stroke?
    I don't have the X2 on mine, but The frame is set up for a 210x55 shock. After a ride you could measure the distance between the o-ring and the bottom of the can to see how much travel you used. Some shocks use internal spacers on the shaft to limit travel so you may not see it ever get all the way to the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gryeti View Post
    Let us know what you find out. I think it likes like a paint chip also but who knows. Its good you had them look into it.
    Fezzari has offered to send me a new chainstay for free. I wasnt expecting that but its pretty cool of them to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Fezzari has offered to send me a new chainstay for free. I wasnt expecting that but its pretty cool of them to do that.

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    Thats great news! Sounds like they really do have great customer service. Thanks for the update!

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    Finalized my LSP order yesterday. Ended up going with just frameset + fork Matte Olive. Fox suspension bits. Was planning on doing the grey color initially but looking on the site think the kashima coat looks pretty sick with the green.

    Will pull some 11sp XT off my current bike to build it up. Hopefully replace with new 12sp XT later this year. I can't give up my Shimano shifting, also previous bike with SRAM was a warranty galore masterpiece. I hear that's improved but one bad experience was enough (3 brake warranties, 2 shifter, and 1 rear derailleur in 2 years).

    Bike is such an absurdly good value, 2500 for a frameset that comes with a top of the line 700$ aftermarket shock? Plus their 30 day return policy and such. Seems hard to beat if it fits what you are looking for, and is anywhere near as good as reviews. If I decide to get another short travel and the LSP is anywhere near as good as everyone says, I'll probably have to look at the signal.

    Anyways I'll post build photos when I get stuff.

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    FWIW, a Blackburn Outpost Corner bag fits on a large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    So I was going over my La Sal after my 3rd ride and noticed this at drive side chainstay pivot. I scratched the area a bit and the paint kinda flaked off. I havent crashed and have never tightened the pivot bolt. I emailed Fezarri and their engineering people are going to look into it.

    Does this look normal? Im loving how the bike rides so far. If its just cosmetic i will live with it. I could send it back but i would have to take all the parts off as I built it myself. Pain in the butt to have to that and then rebuild a new frame when it could happen again i guess.

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    I had a similar thing happen with my Signal Peal at the rear pivots when I checked tighteness. I don't think it's structural, just paint flaking off due to metal on carbon contact. Fezzari shoudld probably not coat that area to prevent flaking.
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    So if im riding my La Sal and shift my weight back like when riding off a drop or a jump the rear wheel end up hitting me in the ass. Im on a small and it feels like the inertia of my body coming down make my rear end hit the wheel. This had never happened on any other bike. Is it a technique or setup issue?

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    Anyone with a 32 inseam running a 150mm dropper on a size large? Any issues? I ordered one and fezzari recommended a 125mm but I really want to run a 150mm. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    So if im riding my La Sal and shift my weight back like when riding off a drop or a jump the rear wheel end up hitting me in the ass. Im on a small and it feels like the inertia of my body coming down make my rear end hit the wheel. This had never happened on any other bike. Is it a technique or setup issue?

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    A lot of companies donít make small 29ers, I think for this issue. You could be a maverick and try a 27 rear, you could raise the back end with an offset bushing. If you want to improve your back tire awareness ride around on the street practicing getting low and way way off the back for a controlled ass buzz. Maybe do sum mo squats?

    Fwiw Iím 179 cm tall, on a large and still get the buzz at bike parks in all my bikes sometimes. One of the reasons Iím into mixing wheels sizes.

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    32Ē inseam for me on a large with the 125mm dropper gives only a quarter inch of room to spare.
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    Anyone with a 32 inseam running a 150mm dropper on a size large? Any issues? I ordered one and fezzari recommended a 125mm but I really want to run a 150mm. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by jusweb View Post
    Anyone with a 32 inseam running a 150mm dropper on a size large? Any issues? I ordered one and fezzari recommended a 125mm but I really want to run a 150mm. Thanks
    You should check out the OneUp components dropper. They have a pretty low stack height for the travel

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    Measure your saddle height to rails on current bike, subtract seat tube length of size you are ordering. Gives max stack height for dropper.

    Then look at specs and see what you can fit. The one up will have some of the lowest stack heights.

    Note: a little flexibility is good in case you switch to a taller saddle. The one up you can also adjust between sizes which is pretty rad (ie if you ordered a 150, but can only run 140mm of drop you can do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    So if im riding my La Sal and shift my weight back like when riding off a drop or a jump the rear wheel end up hitting me in the ass. Im on a small and it feels like the inertia of my body coming down make my rear end hit the wheel. This had never happened on any other bike. Is it a technique or setup issue?
    I think I'm a little taller than you and have had this experience before a little bit with 29ers. When I first got my current bike it was happening frequently, had a friend record me going over a drop to see what was happening.

    Basically when riding the drop I was riding off the drop well making sure wheel didn't dive off with a bit of a manual/pump... but then I wasn't getting into a good position to land in. So ass was already just above the tire. Shifting weight in air, getting centered on bike, keeping legs straighter to have more ability to absorb impact there helped me and haven't done it since but YMMV.

    Honestly you could have any variety of things going on, it could just be the large wheels + big travel, but see if you can get a recording of you going off some drops and make some improvements from it? It's helped my riding a lot, it turns out like other sports a little bit a video analysis helps.

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    Anyone riding the ďElite RaceĒ build have an opinion on the Reynolds carbon wheels? Nice specs (30mm inner width, asym spokes, 6 pawl/5 degree hubs, etc.), but I canít find any real user reviews.

    Just starting to shop, and wondering if the step up from the regular ďEliteĒ build is worth it.


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    Just saw this today: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bydne1Elmpz/

    Officially only the large and XL can fit two bottles, but based on lack of upper support she has a medium or small bike, and has two bottle cages, looks like room in there for two bottles in those as well.

    Looks like due to difference in piggyback location with x2 and super deluxe shocks, might be more bottle clearance with x2 (limiter seems to be upper piggy back on super deluxe).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DETarch View Post
    Anyone riding the ďElite RaceĒ build have an opinion on the Reynolds carbon wheels? Nice specs (30mm inner width, asym spokes, 6 pawl/5 degree hubs, etc.), but I canít find any real user reviews.

    Just starting to shop, and wondering if the step up from the regular ďEliteĒ build is worth it.
    I've always like outdoor gear lab reviews: https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/revie...arbon-wheelset

    And the pinkbike review (https://www.pinkbike.com/news/review...-sal-peak.html) has a blurb about them:
    Reynolds Carbon wheels: The Reynolds wheels are rolling just as smooth and straight as when they arrived, but it's nice to know they have a lifetime warranty should anything go wrong. I do wish they used a 6-bolt rather than Centerlock rotor mount, though; I'm not a fan of using a Centerlock to 6-bolt adaptor. Fezzari also offers the La Sal Peak with the same build kit and aluminum Stan's Flow MK3 wheels. It's a matter of personal preference, but I'd probably save some cash and go with aluminum wheels if I was deciding which boxes to select on the online order form.
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    I swear someone asked about this a while ago, but I can't find it - perhaps in another forum. Anyway, question was about fit and finish of the frame. I was doing some work the other day - changing chainring and was impressed by the cable routing and the ports and attachments points. It's all very nice and while I haven't changed any lines yet, the routing, attachment, etc, is all well thought out and attractive. Others have commented about other bikes having rattly lines - I can't say I'm noticed that with this bike but I'm probably less aware than some...

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    Funny how pros and bike reviewers are starting to praise aluminum wheels and frames for their durability and compliance after praising carbon for the last five years.

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    Anyone try 27.5+ wheels on their La Sal? I have some rims lating around and thought of building a 27.5 wheelset. Whats the widest tire that would fit, 2.8? Anyone have experience with how it rides set up that way? Im thinking more playful

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    I bought the bike as a 27.5+ and have been running it that way from day one. I have run 3.0's on i35 rims with clearance, but it was too much rubber- back to 2.8 Maxxis on the same i35's. Its definitely fun, and do not find myself wishing for 29'ers, but that being said, I get A LOT of pedal strikes while seated and spinning unless I'm in full climb mode on the shock - working on getting that dialed in somehow. More shock air = less pedal strikes, but less shock travel, vice versa = pedal strikes abound.
    I would advise not taking my advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watermonkey View Post
    I bought the bike as a 27.5+ and have been running it that way from day one. I have run 3.0's on i35 rims with clearance, but it was too much rubber- back to 2.8 Maxxis on the same i35's. Its definitely fun, and do not find myself wishing for 29'ers, but that being said, I get A LOT of pedal strikes while seated and spinning unless I'm in full climb mode on the shock - working on getting that dialed in somehow. More shock air = less pedal strikes, but less shock travel, vice versa = pedal strikes abound.
    Is the flip chip in the high position? I'd assume it is as you ordered it 27.5+, but maybe something they overlooked during assembly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 05stroker View Post
    Is the flip chip in the high position? I'd assume it is as you ordered it 27.5+, but maybe something they overlooked during assembly?

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    Dumb question but which way is the high position? I ordered a frame and built it up as a 29er and get alot of pedal strikes. How do i know its in the correct position?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Dumb question but which way is the high position? I ordered a frame and built it up as a 29er and get alot of pedal strikes. How do i know its in the correct position?

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    See picture. This would be the low position. Pull the bolt out and flip both of those oval pieces around and put the bolt back in for the high position. Mostly meant to change the bottom bracket height between wheels sizes. Looking at the two wheel sizes on the geometry chart there is an 8mm difference between high and low. You can still run it in the high position with the 29ers. The head angle and seat angle steepen to 65.5 and 75.5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 05stroker View Post
    See picture. This would be the low position. Pull the bolt out and flip both of those oval pieces around and put the bolt back in for the high position. Mostly meant to change the bottom bracket height between wheels sizes. Looking at the two wheel sizes on the geometry chart there is an 8mm difference between high and low. You can still run it in the high position with the 29ers. The head angle and seat angle steepen to 65.5 and 75.5.

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    Do you mean 78.5 for the seat tube angle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Do you mean 78.5 for the seat tube angle?

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    Sorry, yeah 78.5. For some reason I was thinking the actual angle of 75 degrees plus the .5 not the effective STA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 05stroker View Post
    Is the flip chip in the high position? I'd assume it is as you ordered it 27.5+, but maybe something they overlooked during assembly?

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    It's been in the high position the whole time - one of the first things I checked, then checked again, and then again just in case.
    What are the chances the shock shipped with volume reducers installed? Common for forks, but not sure about the air cans. If I could remove air spacers, then I could up the pressure but not have as much ramp up. It seems as if the flip chip needs a larger degree of change to accommodate the difference between 29 and 27.5+.
    I would advise not taking my advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watermonkey View Post
    It's been in the high position the whole time - one of the first things I checked, then checked again, and then again just in case.
    What are the chances the shock shipped with volume reducers installed? Common for forks, but not sure about the air cans. If I could remove air spacers, then I could up the pressure but not have as much ramp up. It seems as if the flip chip needs a larger degree of change to accommodate the difference between 29 and 27.5+.
    I figured it probably was already in the high position. I've had my fair share of strikes too. Less and less as I ride the bike more. Maybe just getting used to it.

    My shock had zero spacers in it. The fork had 2.



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    So i got this from Fezzari without even asking. The t shirt is too big for me but thats ok. Great bike and company so far.

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    Just my frame in the mail yesterday. Added a couple parts on here (bash guide, dropper is inserted. I have a couple parts coming in Friday that I need to do the build. Planning to, for now, move over me M8000 XT. I have a full new 12sp XT groupset coming at some point after release, but given the unknowns around that timeline and wanting to get on this sooner rather than later I will build it up by stripping down my existing bike and then do the full rebuild on both bikes when new parts come in (I have a Fuel EX I'm keeping). Want to get as much of 30 day return policy in on the bike as possible to make sure I love it and give it fair shot in that time.

    Build will eventually be new XT wheels and groupset (except SLX cranks), DHF/Aggressor tire combo. One up dropper/lever, bash guide, bars, and stem.

    Couple notes:
    a) This a medium frame that is a 170mm One Up dropper (v1) it can nearly be fully inserted. About .75cm away from fully inserted. I might need to shim a hair to get my saddle height, but not much (probably will end up with a 165mm dropper or so)
    b) The downtube bottle cage that is currently on here is problematic (piggy back hits the top of a 21oz bottle). I have a super small bottle coming in that I'm hoping solves this. If it does, two bottles will fit. The seat tube easily fits a 21 oz bottle.
    c) I'd heard a couple people talk about how cheap the downtube and chainstay protectors feel, but it still was a bit surprising to feel, I suppose there are some corners cut to hit the target price point. As long as it does it's job will be fine

    Really love the green with the kashima coat color. I would generally prefer a gloss (easier to clean), but the gold with the green just looks so great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    So i got this from Fezzari without even asking. The t shirt is too big for me but thats ok. Great bike and company so far.

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    Nice! Their customer service is awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joroshiba View Post
    Just my frame in the mail yesterday. Added a couple parts on here (bash guide, dropper is inserted. I have a couple parts coming in Friday that I need to do the build. Planning to, for now, move over me M8000 XT. I have a full new 12sp XT groupset coming at some point after release, but given the unknowns around that timeline and wanting to get on this sooner rather than later I will build it up by stripping down my existing bike and then do the full rebuild on both bikes when new parts come in (I have a Fuel EX I'm keeping). Want to get as much of 30 day return policy in on the bike as possible to make sure I love it and give it fair shot in that time.

    Build will eventually be new XT wheels and groupset (except SLX cranks), DHF/Aggressor tire combo. One up dropper/lever, bash guide, bars, and stem.

    Couple notes:
    a) This a medium frame that is a 170mm One Up dropper (v1) it can nearly be fully inserted. About .75cm away from fully inserted. I might need to shim a hair to get my saddle height, but not much (probably will end up with a 165mm dropper or so)
    b) The downtube bottle cage that is currently on here is problematic (piggy back hits the top of a 21oz bottle). I have a super small bottle coming in that I'm hoping solves this. If it does, two bottles will fit. The seat tube easily fits a 21 oz bottle.
    c) I'd heard a couple people talk about how cheap the downtube and chainstay protectors feel, but it still was a bit surprising to feel, I suppose there are some corners cut to hit the target price point. As long as it does it's job will be fine

    Really love the green with the kashima coat color. I would generally prefer a gloss (easier to clean), but the gold with the green just looks so great.

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    Nice! You're going to love it. Get rid of the QR seatpost clamp while you're ordering stuff, it's junk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryman View Post
    Nice! You're going to love it. Get rid of the QR seatpost clamp while you're ordering stuff, it's junk.
    What do you use? I got my bike last week, and needed to bump the height of the seatpost up a bit, but it keeps sliding down. I don't want to over tighten the QR clamp and risk cracking something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YogurtProblems View Post
    What do you use? I got my bike last week, and needed to bump the height of the seatpost up a bit, but it keeps sliding down. I don't want to over tighten the QR clamp and risk cracking something.
    I put a wolf tooth clamp on. Works great

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    I put a wolf tooth clamp on. Works great
    Awesome, thanks for the info

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryman View Post
    Nice! You're going to love it. Get rid of the QR seatpost clamp while you're ordering stuff, it's junk.
    Yeah I'll definitely do that. Think I might pull the one off my other bike, I have another spare but it's a thinner clamp band and bike isn't painted under the clamp. My other bike is black so it doesn't really matter there.

    I don't understand why you would send a carbon bike with a QR seatpost clamp ever personally. Seems like a bad product decision but what do I know.
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    Edit: nevermind. Thought fork was long let air out it isn't just long uppers.
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    I had a problem with piggyback clearance with the X2 for a bottle as well (Iím using Fidlock 20oz), I ended up moving it down by using the bottom cage boss and the boss below it that I think was intended for a live valve mount. FWIW, on a large, a bottle would fit on the seat tube, but at least the 20oz Fidlock would interfere with the seat stay / shock linkage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joroshiba View Post
    Just my frame in the mail yesterday. Added a couple parts on here (bash guide, dropper is inserted. I have a couple parts coming in Friday that I need to do the build. Planning to, for now, move over me M8000 XT. I have a full new 12sp XT groupset coming at some point after release, but given the unknowns around that timeline and wanting to get on this sooner rather than later I will build it up by stripping down my existing bike and then do the full rebuild on both bikes when new parts come in (I have a Fuel EX I'm keeping). Want to get as much of 30 day return policy in on the bike as possible to make sure I love it and give it fair shot in that time.

    Build will eventually be new XT wheels and groupset (except SLX cranks), DHF/Aggressor tire combo. One up dropper/lever, bash guide, bars, and stem.

    Couple notes:
    a) This a medium frame that is a 170mm One Up dropper (v1) it can nearly be fully inserted. About .75cm away from fully inserted. I might need to shim a hair to get my saddle height, but not much (probably will end up with a 165mm dropper or so)
    b) The downtube bottle cage that is currently on here is problematic (piggy back hits the top of a 21oz bottle). I have a super small bottle coming in that I'm hoping solves this. If it does, two bottles will fit. The seat tube easily fits a 21 oz bottle.
    c) I'd heard a couple people talk about how cheap the downtube and chainstay protectors feel, but it still was a bit surprising to feel, I suppose there are some corners cut to hit the target price point. As long as it does it's job will be fine

    Really love the green with the kashima coat color. I would generally prefer a gloss (easier to clean), but the gold with the green just looks so great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YogurtProblems View Post
    What do you use? I got my bike last week, and needed to bump the height of the seatpost up a bit, but it keeps sliding down. I don't want to over tighten the QR clamp and risk cracking something.
    A niner clamp off ebay, works great. I don't understand why they specced it either. A QR clamp on a bike that comes with a dropper? What? Easy fix though

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    Just placed an order for an elite build with Rockshox suspension.

    I'm re-considering, switching to the Fox suspension mainly for the X2, but Im not sure if it's worth it. I'm not sure I 'need' it, and I really have no frame of reference to decide. No experience on either. I'm not necessarily looking for a magic carpet, but that helps me stay in control and that's reliable.

    Does anyone here have any experience riding both the X2 and the SD? How is the performance?

    How reliable has the X2 been? Have you had to service it often?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apolonios View Post
    Just placed an order for an elite build with Rockshox suspension.

    I'm re-considering, switching to the Fox suspension mainly for the X2, but Im not sure if it's worth it. I'm not sure I 'need' it, and I really have no frame of reference to decide. No experience on either. I'm not necessarily looking for a magic carpet, but that helps me stay in control and that's reliable.

    Does anyone here have any experience riding both the X2 and the SD? How is the performance?

    How reliable has the X2 been? Have you had to service it often?
    I asked the same question in another post before I ordered mine. This was the answer I got from Tyler. I have the Elite build with the Rockshox. To throw more options in, I've heard the MRP Hazard coil is pretty awesome on the rear.


    "In my opinion the Fox 36 grip2 and Lyrik RC2 are near identical. I feel the Lyrik rides a bit higher in the travel and has more for big hits. The Fox is more supportive for all out race mode.

    Same on the shocks. The X2 has a ton of adjustments which is awesome and is it downfall. It is a race shock and is amazing at sing active and hugging the ground. The Super Deluxe, in my opinion, is a set

    -it-and-forget-it setup and makes the bike lively and playful. Youíll spend a little time gettin the Fox dialed in. If you like to find the little extra hits and play around on the bike the super deluxe is a good setup. The X2 wants to go fast and take big hits. That being said I have set numerous PRs and top 10s on descents on the Lyrik/Super Deluxe combo. Both setups are amazing that is why we offer both.

    We sell about a 60/40 split Rockshox to Fox on the Elite and Pro builds if that is any help."

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    Quote Originally Posted by 05stroker View Post
    I asked the same question in another post before I ordered mine. This was the answer I got from Tyler...
    Thanks for the feedback. I honestly don't think I need the X2 and was more concerned since its cheaper to change now than after I buy it. I've also heard people describing the SD as harsh, but that was on other bikes, so I don't know how much it applies to this one, since the factory tune can change from bike to bike.

    Most reviews I've read on this bike have been with the SD and haven't read any complaints, so it must be a non issue, I suppose.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Apolonios View Post
    Thanks for the feedback. I honestly don't think I need the X2 and was more concerned since its cheaper to change now than after I buy it. I've also heard people describing the SD as harsh, but that was on other bikes, so I don't know how much it applies to this one, since the factory tune can change from bike to bike.

    Most reviews I've read on this bike have been with the SD and haven't read any complaints, so it must be a non issue, I suppose.


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    Iím sure youíll be fine with the SD, but if it was me Iíd keep the Lyrik and have Fezzari swap the SD for a coil shock. Itíll have far better compliance and need servicing far less often.

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    Got the bike built up. Ended up moving bottle cage to the seattube for clearance purposes. I live in an area with lots of running water and the bag has a water filter in it, so water shouldn't be a huge issue.

    Get a proper maiden voyage in tonight, spent some time working on suspension settings last night around the neighborhood. Overall really impressed from that with pedaling (feels better than my fuel ex does in a parking lot). I still think I would probably feel fine on a large but this size definitely feels playful. I was able to run the 170mm dropper at full extension on the frame too. For now I'm using the included clamp, but I removed the quick release lever and just tightening a bolt.

    Cable routing around the bash guide was interesting, and there was plenty of clearance for a stages PM on the non drive side. Totally unnecessary but it is the crankset I have from back when I raced road and wanted to track every bike ride. Someone doing enduros might appreciate that.

    I'm also running a non boost 30t XT crankset right now and there is plenty of ring clearance. My new groupset will be correct, but with M8000 165mm cranks were only available non boost, and after 10 years of pedaling short cranks anything else feels wrong.

    Right now it's a kinda odd build in that I've got my trail/XC tires and 1 piston brakes on it, but will work until I get new parts in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 05stroker View Post
    I asked the same question in another post before I ordered mine. This was the answer I got from Tyler. I have the Elite build with the Rockshox. To throw more options in, I've heard the MRP Hazard coil is pretty awesome on the rear.

    "In my opinion the Fox 36 grip2 and Lyrik RC2 are near identical. I feel the Lyrik rides a bit higher in the travel and has more for big hits. The Fox is more supportive for all out race mode.

    Same on the shocks. The X2 has a ton of adjustments which is awesome and is it downfall. It is a race shock and is amazing at sing active and hugging the ground. The Super Deluxe, in my opinion, is a set

    -it-and-forget-it setup and makes the bike lively and playful. Youíll spend a little time gettin the Fox dialed in. If you like to find the little extra hits and play around on the bike the super deluxe is a good setup. The X2 wants to go fast and take big hits. That being said I have set numerous PRs and top 10s on descents on the Lyrik/Super Deluxe combo. Both setups are amazing that is why we offer both.

    We sell about a 60/40 split Rockshox to Fox on the Elite and Pro builds if that is any help."

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    FWIW, mostly heresey but some of the lighter people I know like the Fox stuff more because they feel they can get the compression a little lighter. It's part of why I went with Fox as someone who is around 130lb.

    Also a nice review of the two forks, which seems to say to me at least most wont notice the difference https://www.pinkbike.com/news/review...-rc2-fork.html
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    Got the maiden voyage in on this yesterday.

    Given all the reviews I was expecting a bike that pedaled well so I wasn't surprised there, but still impressed. Great support in the midstroke, climbing technical sections suspension reacts but doesn't dive like I have seen some do. I made it over some technical rocky sections I haven't before. Overall just felt really efficient.

    What really impressed me was the playfulness. Might be down to how I have shocks setup, but the bike really pops well; so easy to get the wheels off the ground when I want to and planted when I don't. Was able to hit some gaps and and such easily that I usually struggle with. Unexpected to get a bigger bike and have it be more playful.

    I'll have to spend some time playing around with suspension settings, but I actually think I'm pretty close already. Probably set up a bit on the firm side, but coming off a 130mm travel trail bike still felt more plush.

    Size wise, I'm 5'7", 30" inseam. On the medium, they said I was borderline on their charts for a small but I definitely would not go smaller. Medium feels good, I could ride a larger bike but medium is probably ideal.

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    Been pretty quiet around here lately. Everybody must be out riding their La Sal Peak's I guess. Here's a pic of mine with the Mac Ride on it. My daughter loves riding the La Sal too!

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    I've made a couple posts to my Instagram with pics. Here's the latest:

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bz64YFUh...VSLQc3Rc-hqU0/

    Bike handles extremely well going uphill, as well as downhill. Did a ~9 mile ride this past Sunday, with the first half being uphill. Bombed downhill with no problems. Smooth and fast. I'm not into jumping yet, but it seemed willing to if I wanted it.

    As a note, the quick release seat post clamp that came on the bike just was not sufficient for keeping things in place. I ordered an 8 dollar, non-QR clamp from Amazon, and it's held things in place exactly how you'd expect one to.

    I really don't know why they went with a QR clamp with a dropper post, but it's really the only "flaw" I've found on the bike so far.

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    I have about 15 hrs in on the LSP (its mountain biking so miles feels like a weird measurement for me).

    I've done 1500 ft climbs, flowy singletrack, and a day at a lift serviced bike park. It is cliche, but there is nowhere it really feels lacking.

    On non technical climbs I do reach for the climbing switch, but it is a small improvement. Not a lot of bob, but when you are climbing a lot of feet on pretty smooth stuff it can be worth it.

    I got the bike partially to go to lift serviced parks near me. This was only my second time in the park and by the end of the day I had nothing but a huge grin on my face. I feel like I somehow nailed the suspension setup on first go as well, so I'm very happy with that.

    This bike is seriously confidence inspiring, I've ridden features I was never willing to and trails I would have backed down on before. I was originally going to keep the trail bike, but I'm seriously thinking I might get rid of it now. There just isn't any trail I've ridden that I would prefer that bike on, and honestly I think this bike might be faster in a XC race because it does pedal pretty well and is not all that much heavier than the old bike.

    And yeah, the Seatpost clamp it comes with NEEDS to be replaced. Even after i removed the release mechanism, used a torque wrench and post was slipping, new clamp solved it.
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    Threw caution to the wind and just ordered a Large Matte Olive Comp. Upgraded to the Fox 175 dropper and Stanís S1 wheels. Though, Iím not sure Iíll keep the Stanís wheels. They are pretty much out of all the Olive color but getting one more small shipment in. Im 6í1 and couldnít decide on size but went with the Large. Hopefully it works out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by joroshiba View Post
    On non technical climbs I do reach for the climbing switch, but it is a small improvement. Not a lot of bob, but when you are climbing a lot of feet on pretty smooth stuff it can be worth it.
    I really haven't even noticed a difference on my shock and climbing switch. Even standing still, just putting pressure on the seat with my elbow, I don't notice any bit of difference. I do wonder if it could somehow be set up wrong, but I don't see how that could be really.

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    This might be a reach but anyone here ridden a Signal Peak? I was wondering how one might be as a marathon xc bike. Do you suppose it handles like a la sal with less travel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    This might be a reach but anyone here ridden a Signal Peak? I was wondering how one might be as a marathon xc bike. Do you suppose it handles like a la sal with less travel?

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    I have both the La Sal and Signal Peak. They really don't ride the same in my opinion. The Signal is really fast and comfortable up and handles most downhill without issue. I am racing it in a 50 mile race the end of July. It just loves to go far fast. The La Sal climbs well but rips the downhills. I rode the La Sal 30 miles today and it is just a great bike but not the long mile bike the Signal Peak is. The La Sal gets better the faster I let it go where the Signal Peak gets a little overwhelmed if its get rough. I am running the Step Cast 34 on the Signal. I think it would be great with a 140 travel front fork. Maybe someone with experience would chime in on this.

    To answer your question I think the Signal Peak is a great marathon bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YogurtProblems View Post
    I really haven't even noticed a difference on my shock and climbing switch. Even standing still, just putting pressure on the seat with my elbow, I don't notice any bit of difference. I do wonder if it could somehow be set up wrong, but I don't see how that could be really.
    FWIW I have the X2 on my bike, and it is a small but noticeable difference to me. There is little bob from just pedaling with the switch open and none (noticeable to me at least) in 'trail', but still decent small bump compliance. I come from a background of road racing so i might be slightly more sensitive than most to losing watts pushing the pedals uphill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joroshiba View Post
    FWIW I have the X2 on my bike, and it is a small but noticeable difference to me. There is little bob from just pedaling with the switch open and none (noticeable to me at least) in 'trail', but still decent small bump compliance. I come from a background of road racing so i might be slightly more sensitive than most to losing watts pushing the pedals uphill.
    I have the X2 as well. I'll have to give it another try and really pay attention to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gryeti View Post
    I have both the La Sal and Signal Peak. They really don't ride the same in my opinion. The Signal is really fast and comfortable up and handles most downhill without issue. I am racing it in a 50 mile race the end of July. It just loves to go far fast. The La Sal climbs well but rips the downhills. I rode the La Sal 30 miles today and it is just a great bike but not the long mile bike the Signal Peak is. The La Sal gets better the faster I let it go where the Signal Peak gets a little overwhelmed if its get rough. I am running the Step Cast 34 on the Signal. I think it would be great with a 140 travel front fork. Maybe someone with experience would chime in on this.

    To answer your question I think the Signal Peak is a great marathon bike.
    I agree that the la sal does better the faster you go. Im considering the signal with a SC34 120mm fork for racing but dont to feel like im in the attack position the whole ride. Im also looking at the Spot Ryve 115. Hard to know without demo

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    I agree that the la sal does better the faster you go. Im considering the signal with a SC34 120mm fork for racing but dont to feel like im in the attack position the whole ride. Im also looking at the Spot Ryve 115. Hard to know without demo

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    I have ridden the Signal on some fairly steep root infested lines with the step cast and it does ok but I am more comfortable on the La Sal. Im fine with this as I am not typically riding it on that sort of terrain and I am using it more for long distance rides/races. I think both bikes cover all of the terrain I like to ride. Good luck with your decision!

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    One of these things is not like the other

    Trying something a little different. Meanwhile, here in Maxxis mtb tire world, apparently 2.6 = 2.6 while simultaneously 2.8 = 2.6.
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    Hmm, interesting....

    The engineer responsible for Maxxis tire sizes moonlights for Five Ten.

    I just bought 3 pairs of shoes from them, all different models. I wear 10.5, based on other peoples feedback, I ordered one in 11.5, one in 11, one in 10. All fit.

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    Mullet first ride report

    Somehow, I think we're inadvertently zeroing in on the universal constant, all shoes and tires are really the same size. I'm now afraid that when I get on this bike in 97.5 mode wearing my size 10.5 5.10's that I'll make a tear in the space time continuum.

    Edit: added content.

    So, got the first ride in today in Mullett mode. 29 x 2.6 Recon front, 27.5 x 2.8 Recon rear (both are virtually the same width - within less than a 1/10th of inch of each other). Frame is a Large, with the flip chip in the "high" setting.

    What a truly massive difference in the way this bike behaves. Initially, the point of this was to get a little more pedal clearance as I'm flat out sick of pedal strikes. What I've come to realize is, that this bike in 27.5+ mode in the high setting has some wonky geometry numbers and way, way too low of a bottom bracket - and the use of a flip chip alone does not compensate for the difference between running 29 and 27.5+. All of the issues I was having trying to get this bike dialed in are now almost completely alleviated. Saddle isn't slammed all the way back on its rails, pedal strikes minimized to a significant degree, lack of stack and weird front end issues all but solved, and I no longer feel like I'm stuck over the front of the bike trying to weight the front end. And, you can ride this thing XC style now over chunk.

    I had significantly more front end traction today on a Recon 2.6 on the front than with my usual 27.5+ 2.8 DHF...how the hell does that work, the tire doesn't have any side knobs? As I'm just borrowing this front wheel from a friend, I don't have the ability to go full 29er mode, but I suspect that the bike in the "low" setting with 29'er front and rear gives similar numbers to the mullet in high mode, re: seat/headtube angles and bb height. 5 months into riding this bike, today was the first day it felt truly right....and damn was it fun, both up, flat, and down.
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    Anyone that has had their La Sal Peak long enough ( or a similar Fezzari bike since the LP hasn't really been out that long )

    I'm looking for information on maintenance of the suspension pivots and bearings. As someone that keeps frames for "life", rides a lot and does their own maintenance work this is important to me. Can I remove and replace the bearings easily? How do the suspension pivots hold up over time? I am not familiar enough with the fezarri line-up to know which other bikes have the same setup to try to get a long-term review of that aspect.

    any info is appreciated, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by watermonkey View Post
    29 x 2.6 Recon front, 27.5 x 2.8 Recon rear (both are virtually the same width - within less than a 1/10th of inch of each other).
    Is the width of the rims significantly different? I would not be surprised if the 2.8's are designed to measure 2.8 on a 40mm internal rim, and the 2.6 say a 30mm rim. Since the 2.8 should be a plus width rim, and the 2.6 for something wide but normal. So if the 29er tire is say a 25mm internal and your 27.5 is fat then I would expect the sizes to be more similar.
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    hi all,
    anyone in Orange County have a L or XL they'd let me check out and pedal around for a minute? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joroshiba View Post
    Is the width of the rims significantly different? I would not be surprised if the 2.8's are designed to measure 2.8 on a 40mm internal rim, and the 2.6 say a 30mm rim. Since the 2.8 should be a plus width rim, and the 2.6 for something wide but normal. So if the 29er tire is say a 25mm internal and your 27.5 is fat then I would expect the sizes to be more similar.
    I'm running the 2.8's on i35's. The 29er wheel/tire combo I borrowed was 2.6 on i35mm, so the measurements were apples to apples, and virtually identical. I wouldn't run the 2.8's on 40's, to0 square of a profile. The wheel and tire I bought are DHF 29 x 2.6 on an i30 rim, and it is a little smaller width. Would've liked the front to be an i35 as well, but couldn't find a reasonably priced one, so went with a DT swiss TRS+ front. Absolutely loving the mullet setup. For me, the trails I ride, and my particular body mechanics, this setup just clicks. YMMV.
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    I'm 6ft with a 33 1/2 inseam so they recommend a large to me. I placed my order Friday for the large with code brakes and an XT 1 X 12 drivetrain with the M630 rims and 101 hubs. Now I just have to wait! Oh and I ordered the lyrik and super Deluxe but I'm still on the fence about that. Anyone have much experience on both RockShox and fox? I'm more of a jumper when I am at a bike park, I prefer that over crazy Rocky Rooty steep runs so I don't know if 1 would be better off with one or the other at those types of runs. Around my house the trails are mainly Rocky and rooty but not a lot of downhill so daily rides I need something that's firmer in the mid to upper range. Right now on my Banshee rune I run a Cane Creek double barrel but I mainly ride it around here in the locked setting.

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    still feeling my lsp. where I live it's pretty hard not to get caught up in the hype in the sea of mega/hightower, tallboy, Ripmo/ripley, spesh enduro....and so many other cool brands and all the new new. we live about 25 miles south of Santa Cruz, and have been riding sc trails since the 90's (hardtails for life) so I've definitely seen a lot of the evolution of the local brands.

    took my lsp up to the Sierra this summer and it rode everything very good, at least for me. as much as I get the upgradeitis bug seeing newer bikes or pedaling other folks new Hightower's and ripmos in the parking lot trailhead, the price of the frames is just so steep. not to mention all the gnarly lower linkages that get rocks caught in them and look like a pain to service.

    had a few issues breaking rear shock bolt as well as a defective tetra link (there was a little play where the flip chips are). called fezzari and they sent out new rear shock bolts (supposedly stronger) as well as a new tetra link. swapping out tetra link was super easy and really nice to see how simple the design is in the new world of lower link dirt trapping puzzles. super rad customer service, easy maintenance, and a nice all arounder for some of the steeper local trails, as well as bigger mountain Sierra trips (downieville, lakes basin, Tahoe) are the reasons I chose the bike w/out demoing. seems to have worked out pretty good so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nativeson View Post
    had a few issues breaking rear shock bolt as well as a defective tetra link (there was a little play where the flip chips are). called fezzari and they sent out new rear shock bolts (supposedly stronger) as well as a new tetra link. swapping out tetra link was super easy and really nice to see how simple the design is in the new world of lower link dirt trapping puzzles.
    Interesting. My LSP is down for the time being due to a cratered freehub body...waiting on warranty parts now. While its down, I've been trying to chase down some crazy creaks. Haven't contacted customer service yet, as I'm still doing the shakedown. Here's what I've come across.

    The rear shock mount bolt is fairly hammered - had to drive it out with a punch just to free the lower half of the shock. The bushing in the shock feels seized - I can't get it to turn at all, not even with rubber lined plier jaws. As such, since this bushing isn't turning in the shock, its grinding against the inside of the drive side flip chip, which is now showing wear. Considering a RWC needle bearing kit (just installed one on the wife's bike - these things make a big difference). This may be one of the sources of creaking going on, with the bushing being seized in the DU bushing, and slightly rotating and squealing under load.

    Bottom bracket may be creaking like mad too - but I can't isolate the creaks from the shock mount, so I'll have to investigate further.

    There is now significant play at the main pivot just above the bb - you can feel it as you gently lift and lower the bike. Can you please elaborate on what (or specifically what part) was wrong with the tetra link you referred to?

    Thanks for the feedback. Awesome picture too. Those forests as soooo different from Colorado. We might be headed that way late fall.
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    Those roller bearings are great no matter the reason for replacing the bushing. They last much longer too IME, can't recommend them enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watermonkey View Post
    Bottom bracket may be creaking like mad too - but I can't isolate the creaks from the shock mount, so I'll have to investigate further.

    There is now significant play at the main pivot just above the bb - you can feel it as you gently lift and lower the bike. Can you please elaborate on what (or specifically what part) was wrong with the tetra link you referred to?

    Thanks for the feedback. Awesome picture too. Those forests as soooo different from Colorado. We might be headed that way late fall.
    I believe when I called and spoke to a tech he asked me to hold the rear tire down, pull up on the saddle, and see if there was any play around the tetra link area. I'm pretty sure he said it's where the rear shock bolts into the flip chip g-links, maybe those were out of tolerance.

    at first I thought it might be the rear hub, I felt I was getting some lateral movement. he asked me to do the link check first and just diagnosed that problem over the phone, sent the new link out. now it still feels like the rear hub is definitely loose/whacked out, I can still feel excessive lateral movement grabbing the rear tire and just moving it laterally by hand. it definitely has lateral play compared to the front wheel, Reynolds carbon 29r wheelset. I'll probably try and pull of the wheel/cassette and see what's up, and move onto customer service from there.

    my crank arm came loose during ride and I pulled it apart/regreased it, but still getting some creaking. ugggghhhh.

    is it me or does the whole rear swingarm flex laterally when checking for play in the rear hub (wheel on bike)?

    what's the RWC bearing part # for the shock bushing? I've actually met the machinist for all the bearings, he lives fairly close to me, and I met him perch fishing one day on the beach. he's a cool dude. hope everything works out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nativeson View Post
    what's the RWC bearing part # for the shock bushing? I've actually met the machinist for all the bearings, he lives fairly close to me, and I met him perch fishing one day on the beach. he's a cool dude. hope everything works out!
    I'm not sure. I have a request into RWC to see if they know what one fits, and also asked Fezzari to confirm what the size is. The thru pin for the lower shock mount measured 25.0 mm with my digital caliper. I only saw a 25.4 mm size kit listed on the RWC site. To confuse things more, there are bushing and thru pin kits out there (not from RWC) for Rockshox eyelets that are spec'd at 25.0 mm.

    Installing a RWC kit on my other full suspension bike made a big difference - a ton of creaking was coming from this shock eyelet prior to installing the bearing kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nativeson View Post
    I believe when I called and spoke to a tech he asked me to hold the rear tire down, pull up on the saddle, and see if there was any play around the tetra link area. I'm pretty sure he said it's where the rear shock bolts into the flip chip g-links, maybe those were out of tolerance.

    at first I thought it might be the rear hub, I felt I was getting some lateral movement. he asked me to do the link check first and just diagnosed that problem over the phone, sent the new link out. now it still feels like the rear hub is definitely loose/whacked out, I can still feel excessive lateral movement grabbing the rear tire and just moving it laterally by hand. it definitely has lateral play compared to the front wheel, Reynolds carbon 29r wheelset. I'll probably try and pull of the wheel/cassette and see what's up, and move onto customer service from there.

    my crank arm came loose during ride and I pulled it apart/regreased it, but still getting some creaking. ugggghhhh.

    is it me or does the whole rear swingarm flex laterally when checking for play in the rear hub (wheel on bike)?

    what's the RWC bearing part # for the shock bushing? I've actually met the machinist for all the bearings, he lives fairly close to me, and I met him perch fishing one day on the beach. he's a cool dude. hope everything works out!
    I had a knocking sound a while back - turns out my rear axle had come loose. I tightened it back up, and it's been fine since. But the knocking came back. It felt like the hub had some lateral play. After a quick check, I tightened the pivots on the seat stay near the axle maybe 1/4 turn on one side, and 1/8 on the other, as well as where the shock mounts, and it's been fine since. I should check them more often obviously.
    I do have a bit of paint chipping around the seat stay pivot bolts though, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it - I've seen it on several bikes lately - Orbeas, Santa Cruz, etc. I do wonder - are companies not considering paint thickness during design?
    I don't see flex in the rear stays when I pull - just normal wheel flex, and I can't believe your crank came loose - mine needed a snipe to break it free!
    ETA: I tried holding the wheel down and pulling on the saddle, but I'm wary of the play that crops up in so many seat posts - might rather grab near the seat post clamp on the frame.

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