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    So I just order my LSP yesterday. I've read in this thread that the seat post clamp is no bueno. What size clamp do I need? I've tried searching through this thread, but it's a lot to read through on mobile.

    Also, I asked Fezzari about a first responder discount. They didn't necessarily have one, but they did give me a 50$ credit towards accessories. So I though that was cool of them.

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    Here is the new Turquoise colour. I like it but I think seafoam or mint describes it better. So far I have enjoyed the ride. It can climb technical sections better then my Banshee rune but it feels slower to get going. I rode a section today that I've ridden probably 30 times. I was pushing myself harder then normal and I did beat a few of my times on Strava but only by 5-10 seconds. It just feels really slow to get moving. I'm not sure if maybe it's the rear tire 2.4 DHR 2 or if I'm just expecting a much bigger change switching from a 26 inch bike to a 29er. My legs also might just not be used to the different riding position yet. I've noticed it seems to use my glutes more.

    I'll post some more pictures later. The build is SRAM brakes and suspension with XT 1x12 drivetrain, Enve rims with I9 101 hubs and they threw in an Enve bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluble View Post
    So I just order my LSP yesterday. I've read in this thread that the seat post clamp is no bueno. What size clamp do I need? I've tried searching through this thread, but it's a lot to read through on mobile.

    Also, I asked Fezzari about a first responder discount. They didn't necessarily have one, but they did give me a 50$ credit towards accessories. So I though that was cool of them.
    I picked up a 34.9 Wolftooth Components collar and it fits perfect.

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    FWIW I added a bit of assembly friction paste to the seat tube before riding it and haven't had any slippage. The lever isn't very blingy but seems to work fine so far and easily comes off the clamp if you don't need it. I generally try to use minimum tension on adjustable seat post clamps and using the paste is key to keeping them in place. YMMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post
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    Here is the new Turquoise colour. I like it but I think seafoam or mint describes it better. So far I have enjoyed the ride. It can climb technical sections better then my Banshee rune but it feels slower to get going. I rode a section today that I've ridden probably 30 times. I was pushing myself harder then normal and I did beat a few of my times on Strava but only by 5-10 seconds. It just feels really slow to get moving. I'm not sure if maybe it's the rear tire 2.4 DHR 2 or if I'm just expecting a much bigger change switching from a 26 inch bike to a 29er. My legs also might just not be used to the different riding position yet. I've noticed it seems to use my glutes more.

    I'll post some more pictures later. The build is SRAM brakes and suspension with XT 1x12 drivetrain, Enve rims with I9 101 hubs and they threw in an Enve bar.
    For me it took a looong time to adapt to slinging 29" wheels up climbs and I'm still learning several years in. Slow cadence/steep climbing is a chore and spinning up for tech sections felt like jello for a couple years. 20+ years on 26" and there really was a learning curve and some reprogramming to feel like a strong climber again. Sweet bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    For me it took a looong time to adapt to slinging 29" wheels up climbs and I'm still learning several years in. Slow cadence/steep climbing is a chore and spinning up for tech sections felt like jello for a couple years. 20+ years on 26" and there really was a learning curve and some reprogramming to feel like a strong climber again. Sweet bike!
    The other thing I need to get used to is it is a little harder to get the front up when seated and due to that and me being used to my 26er accelerating faster I have ran into things 3 times that I normally do not and bagged myself on the stem...I might pick up one of those BMX stem guards until I adapt to the bike lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by llll Hate llll View Post
    I picked up a 34.9 Wolftooth Components collar and it fits perfect.
    I just got some cheap one on Amazon too. It was like a 3rd of the cost of the Wolftooth and does the exact same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watermonkey View Post
    I'm not sure. I have a request into RWC to see if they know what one fits, and also asked Fezzari to confirm what the size is. The thru pin for the lower shock mount measured 25.0 mm with my digital caliper. I only saw a 25.4 mm size kit listed on the RWC site. To confuse things more, there are bushing and thru pin kits out there (not from RWC) for Rockshox eyelets that are spec'd at 25.0 mm.

    Installing a RWC kit on my other full suspension bike made a big difference - a ton of creaking was coming from this shock eyelet prior to installing the bearing kit.

    Updates as I have them.
    Someone else has installed a Real World Cycling NBKRWC2540, 25.4 mm kit in their LSP, and RWC is relaying the info on that it fits. Parts ordered.
    New shock mount bolt and swing link on the way from Fezzari (warranty) to address play in the rear end. I'll update w/pics when all the parts are here.
    I had mad creaking coming from somewhere during pedaling, both standing and seated. I systematically worked my way from the saddle rail pockets to the bottom bracket, cleaning and greasing literally every single part, test riding, then moving onto the next locations (saddle, saddle clamps/bolts etc, dropper internals, seatpost clamp and hardware, all the suspension pivots and axles, from top to bottom, pedals and threads, bottom bracket, and finally chainring mount and mounting bolts). The creak was coming from the DUB bb. These have rather large plastic dust covers that double as bushings the cranks ride on - from somewhere in here, the creak was originating - greased with slick honey and a small, curved syringe tip the best I could. The bike is totally silent now, so much so, you can hear how terrible the chainline sounds on 12 speeds in the lowest gear.
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    Im thinking of ordering the RWC kit too. I have it on other bikes and its great. No creaks on my la sal though

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    Has anyone here set up their bike with a frame mounted pack? One that would fit farthest forward on the frame, stopping right in front of the shock mount or so is what I am thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YogurtProblems View Post
    Has anyone here set up their bike with a frame mounted pack? One that would fit farthest forward on the frame, stopping right in front of the shock mount or so is what I am thinking.
    I have an Blackburn outpost corner bag that fits pretty well in a large. It's not as big as you'd think, or I'd like, but it's handy to add a bit of storage. I only use it when I need it, it goes non and off in a snap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryman View Post
    I have an Blackburn outpost corner bag that fits pretty well in a large. It's not as big as you'd think, or I'd like, but it's handy to add a bit of storage. I only use it when I need it, it goes non and off in a snap.
    That's actually the exact bag I ended up looking at. Seems like it fits fairly well, and I'd rather put all the little tools and backup things in there than in my pack, since I take them every ride anyway.

    Thanks for the info and picture!

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    I like to snug it up into the upper corner, but it tends to slide down a little like droopy socks after riding a while. Things like that trigger one of my very few ocd tendencies. I might add in a Voile strap or two which should solve the problem. It's a nicely made little bag.

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    Can you send a pic of where you greased the BB slash guard. Mine is creaking on the right and it feels like itís in the BB/crank arm for sure on the right. Also my rear shock linkage kept coming loose. I noticed it when walking my bike up a steep hill I could hear it rattling as it bounce with no weight on it. Then I could repeat the sound by unloading the weight of the bike of the shock and I could see play in the rear shock mount. I hope it hasnít messed up my linkage for riding on I for a few miles being so loose.

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    Fezzari has provided a warranty replacement swing link and shock mount bolt. They are installed, and I am happy to say that wherever the play was coming from in the rear linkage is now gone. Side by side, the original and replacement swing links looks the same, installed the same, but there's obviously a difference in tolerances somewhere - Thank you Fezzari. The bike feels really solid now.

    As far as the RWC needle bearing kit for the rear shock mount, it didn't fit for me, on either swing link. For reference, the shocks on the LSP's are the newer metric size, and the thru axle width, both front and rear shock mounts, are 25.0 mm. The really close size, 25.4 (1 inch) is the width of the older Standard sizing of shock axles. The 25.4mm wide RWC kit prevented the flip chips from seating solidly in the swing link pockets they're designed to nest into. Full torque was achieved on the shock mount bolt, but the chips were still floating. As such, that extra width, .4mm, resulted in play. While physically, yes you can install this, and due to minor variations in production of the links themselves, it may appear to fit, but my guess is that over time will loosen up and the flip chips will wear away at the link pockets they sit in. To that end, I spent time slowly narrowing the width of the 25.4 mm thru axle down to just under 25.0 mm (caliper readings said 24.95, 24.97, and 24.97 mm). Upon reinstalling, all play was gone and there's now really, really smooth rotation. The width of the rubber seals inboard of the anodized seal collars seem to be able to accommodate the .4mm width decrease without binding, but I've yet to get a full ride in. Updates as I have them.
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    I've got 7 rides in now on the new setup. The real world cycling kit is working great with my mods. RWC is looking into the kit's fit on my "spare" parts. I'm loving this bike now. I just can't stay off it. It's getting real pretty out there.
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    Anyone know of a rear mud guard that ffits the LSP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by watermonkey View Post
    I've got 7 rides in now on the new setup. The real world cycling kit is working great with my mods. RWC is looking into the kit's fit on my "spare" parts. I'm loving this bike now. I just can't stay off it. It's getting real pretty out there.
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    Glad you got the issues sorted. Chris at RWC is a great guy to work with, I'm looking forward to him figuring out what's going on, and then getting bearings myself.

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    What were you riding prior to the LSP? Did you buy the LSP to replace it or to add a bike to the quiver?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatTurtle View Post
    What were you riding prior to the LSP? Did you buy the LSP to replace it or to add a bike to the quiver?
    I had 2 bikes, a Cannondale Scalpel which I was using as a trail bike and a Pivot Mach 6 which I would mostly use for shuttle/park rides. I got the LSP to be my all around trail bike and move the Scalpel over to XC duty. My initial impressions from riding the LSP on local trails in Vegas and my trip to Mammoth is it can do 90% of what the others can do, which leaves me wondering when I'm really going to pull them out of the garage.

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    has anyone considered trying to long shock this bike? 210 x 60 maybe? seems like it could be a candidate for it considering the reports that it pedals so well already.

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    36t or 34t oval chainring?

    Currently running a 34t chainring, but I would like to try a 34t oval ring. Anybody know if a 34 oval or 36 round (should be about the same as far as clearance) fits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3D2 View Post
    has anyone considered trying to long shock this bike? 210 x 60 maybe? seems like it could be a candidate for it considering the reports that it pedals so well already.
    It seems that travel in a 210 shock isn't available.
    FWIW Now that I've had this bike a few months it has been more versatile than I expected. A few bike park days, some fire road climbs single track and the ease of climbing. Steep dirt roads or tight uphill/downhill single track turns are shockingly easy. It also works really well on the bike park berms, not sure if it's the reduced offset fork or frame geometry but for a long wheelbase big bike is sure hides it well. Heading to Utah in a few weeks for some square edge rapid fire bumps for further testing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by greedy View Post
    Currently running a 34t chainring, but I would like to try a 34t oval ring. Anybody know if a 34 oval or 36 round (should be about the same as far as clearance) fits?
    I just installed a 34t round chaingring on my bike when I upgraded to 12 sp shimano. Fits fine not sure if a 36 would fit with the smallest of shimano's chainline options.
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    170mm fork

    Is anybody running a 170mm fork? Obviously youíll get .5 degree slacker angles and a slightly higher bottom bracket, but I would be much more interested in if thereís a discernible difference (positive or negative) in feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greedy View Post
    Is anybody running a 170mm fork? Obviously youíll get .5 degree slacker angles and a slightly higher bottom bracket, but I would be much more interested in if thereís a discernible difference (positive or negative) in feel.
    I am running my Lyrik at 170mm with a push coil. Bike still climbs great. No float on the front end at all on the steep uphills. I also put a coil the MRP Hazzard coil on the back last week. The bike is even more amazing with the coil. I don't think I will be going back to air anytime soon.

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    2nd ride on my new LSP and loving it but it needs help massively.
    Rear suspension is awful, worst I've ridden.
    It has to be my setup bit I'm baffled as to how it's that far off. I have one of the only X2 equipped LSPs I've seen and I think this might be the reason. Bike was set 30% sag at about 240psi. About 10 clicks of everything per fox's recommendations at my weight and pressure. I'm not one to really use guides but I figured it would be a good starting point. Bike felt fine in parking lot but like a rigid on the trail ,a super mello blue trail. Backed of the compression about clicks and it made a barely noticeable difference. Second ride I did was vorsprung recommend and set the HSC and HSR to min and maximum and then set the low speeds. Bike possibly felt worse. What blows my mind is I used 80% travel and was struggling to almost stay on the bike when I'd be lucky to encounter 5" Terrain . On my old bike I "slash 29" I wouldn't have spilled a latte. I road my freinds bike at the same time and it's aired up for him 50lbs heavier and it even felt massively more compliant. Any ideas as to what my issue is ?
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    Iíve got an X2 as well, about 190lbs. I tuned with a shockwiz extensively and ended up at a much higher pressure than the fox guides with HSC/LSC full open and no volume spacers. Static sag is at about 26-27%. What I noticed is that at the lower pressures the bike would have too much dynamic sag and as I increased pressure it actually felt better.

    Setup at 190lbs riding weight: 255psi, HSC/LSC open, HSR 7 from closed (full clockwise), LSR 7 from closed, 0 volume spacers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greedy View Post
    Iíve got an X2 as well, about 190lbs. I tuned with a shockwiz extensively and ended up at a much higher pressure than the fox guides with HSC/LSC full open and no volume spacers. Static sag is at about 26-27%. What I noticed is that at the lower pressures the bike would have too much dynamic sag and as I increased pressure it actually felt better.

    Setup at 190lbs riding weight: 255psi, HSC/LSC open, HSR 7 from closed (full clockwise), LSR 7 from closed, 0 volume spacers.
    Thanks I'll give that a shot. Given the travel usage and harshness I was wondering if it was packing up, some air could help. X2's ways feel glacier slow to me but this is extreme.

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    OK I've been lurking about and reading a LOT. I just got off the phone and ordered my LSP. It will be about three weeks for delivery (yuck) but ok, it is what i is and I got the black Friday pricing. So anyway, here are my questions and I am desperately hoping the group here can answer based on some things I am about to say.

    First, I am 50. Once upon a time 25 years ago I was riding 200 miles per week between road and mountain bikes. I got a career, married, kids and fat. Ultimately split with the wife, raised the three kids on my own and got fatter. Spent the last 18 months losing a LOT of weight. When I say a lot I mean a lot. I wasn't enjoying life. Now I'm much much closer to being where I wanted to be, but still have a solid 50 lbs to lose. Fortunately, I am back on a bike. Starting this last summer, I was back on my old 2007 FSR Comp, but wow...that bike was so outclassed by the trail, and my skills are crap. I upgraded to a slightly used 2018 Trek Fuel EX 9.7. So, carbon bike (mostly) with better suspension. I upgraded to a Fox 36 front fork with 150mm of travel, the back is stock with the 130mm of travel in the Fox ReActive. Bike is a 29er.

    So, I'm out riding my Northern California Trails pretty regularly now and doing 25-30 miles per week of pretty hardcore, somewhat technical (roots, rock gardens, 2 +foot drops,etc) with about 1000 feet of climb with every ride. Sections I had to walk back in July, I am enjoying the work of actually riding up. There are some uphill sections (two of them) I still have to walk, because I just don't have enough oomph to clean them.
    They are uphill, technical with rocks and roots, with a bend in the trail. I attribute my lack of climbing ability to both my lack of pure riding fitness as well as certain bike limitations related to travel and geometry. Obviously, the bulk of the issue is me, not the bike and I accept this...which is part of the reason I regularly ride!

    Anyway, back to my bike. It's a great bike, (forgot to mention its a size medium) but the front is steeper and the seat slacker than I would prefer. Of course I didn't really know this when I bought it (lightly used) and started my upgrades. Carbon bars, better pedals, XO drivetrain, PNW dropper, etc. The bike was getting better while I was getting better. Still though, I lack a certain amount of confidence on the bike. My friends are all on Santa Cruz Megatowers and Hightowers and they are sailing over and down giant (like the size of your garage) granite rocks, while I am too afraid to do it. My primary reason for not going, is because I feel too big for the size medium bike. I feel very cramped in the cockpit and very "over the bars" feeling. Forgot to mention, I am 5-9, almost 31" inseam, 27.5" arms, 29" torso, 26" shoulder width and 262 lbs (yeah I know...please don't judge!) The trek just feels small. I demoed a size large Megatower and it felt AMAZING! What I really liked about this big bike, was the sloped down top tube that gave me TONS of standover clearance whole the size overall made me feel "in" the bike rather than "on" it. So, I am really concerned about the LSP because the specs show the medium with a 790 standover, and 795 for the large. By contrast, my trek is at 740 while the large MT in the high position is only 717?? Now, I cannot believe the bikes are this different because the seat still has to be the same height, so I cannot help but wonder if this different standover is relative to where on the frame/top tube this measurement is taken? Does anyone have photos of the LSP adjacent to any other bikes that I can see for comparison? Also, the reach of the large LSP is identical to the large MT. The stack is 4mm more than the MT. The Medium LSP stack is 13mm less and the reach is 25mm less. So...I LOVED the large Megatower fit. Am I going to hate the medium LSP fit? More importantly, am I going to hate the LSP because of the much bigger standover dimension?

    Someone...anyone...I know this is a lot to take in but please help me! I am in the Sacramento CA area, if anyone near here has an LSP I could try!

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    Comparison on 99spokes.com for references

    It's possibly just a weird measurement point, as there obviously shouldn't be much of a difference.

    As a data point, I am 5'9", roughly same inseam as you, on a Large LSP. The big feels pretty much great to me, if maybe a bit big. Sometimes I wouldn't mind a smaller bike for whipping around and stuff, but I did expect that when I made the purchase. It's a 29er that is meant for ripping around and monster trucking over things.

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    Thank you so much for the insight! How do you feel about the standover? Do you feel like it's up in your crotch or do you have room to breathe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jafount View Post
    So...I LOVED the large Megatower fit. Am I going to hate the medium LSP fit? More importantly, am I going to hate the LSP because of the much bigger standover dimension?
    Keep in mind that you are newly getting back into riding without much experience with modern bikes, and the Trek was too small, so anything bigger would probably feel "right". Maybe the large is the right size for you in the MT, maybe it just felt like it because it had a longer reach than the Trek.

    I'd trust that Fezzari is putting you on the correct frame size, if you hate it, you can always return it.

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    That's my problem. Fezarri said I'm so close based on my measurements to the large, that it comes down to preference. I'm certain everything else will feel right, I'm just concerned about standover. if I jump off the bike am I going to crush my tender bits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jafount View Post
    That's my problem. Fezarri said I'm so close based on my measurements to the large, that it comes down to preference. I'm certain everything else will feel right, I'm just concerned about standover. if I jump off the bike am I going to crush my tender bits?
    I just lower the dropper whenever I want to get off. Makes it easier and I don't worry about smashing my dangles trying to get on or off with the post all the way extended.

    Not sure if that is considered poor form or not, but I haven't had a single issue with it. I figure the functionality is there, so I might as well use it.

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    I'm some kinda freak. 6"0, 29" inseam . Large is great for me if that helps . No clearance issues and still can use 1up 180 dropper.

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    Still really like this bike! I've had it about a year now and still digging it. A trail gnome installed a front derailer in the front chain ring on my last ride lol.

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    Derailleur hanger alignment hack

    Maybe this is something everybody already knows, but if not I stumbled upon a super easy method of aligning the derailleur hanger. Get a bolt that fits the hole where the derailleur bolts onto the hanger (I think it is a M10 x 1.0 super fine, Loweís had one). Then thread your axle in from the outside. Use calipers to measure the distance between the axle and bolt at two points and bend the hanger using the bolt until they align. Sight along the axle from the top and bend as required to align fore/aft. Fezzari La Sal Peak- Pictures and Discussions-31db7bd3-b7cd-4e92-837e-375e91b7122b.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by jafount View Post
    That's my problem. Fezarri said I'm so close based on my measurements to the large, that it comes down to preference. I'm certain everything else will feel right, I'm just concerned about standover. if I jump off the bike am I going to crush my tender bits?
    i am also in the same category. WHen i ordered mine i was on the border of going up to a large and ultimately i went with the Med because my other bike was the same size. I did try a friend large (not fezzari) and it felt BIG...so i went with the Med and feel more comfortable with that size and got use to the seating position and steering feel.

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    Just ordered a large frameset in carbon (aka black). I've never had a carbon longer travel bike.

    I heard these frames are pretty light. I will be building a lightweight version for my rolling, rocky and rooty trails here in MI.

    I really just bought the frame because I heard this was a climbing machine and I have found that sitting and climbing is just as fast around here as out of the saddle climbs. I also was sick of scooting forward on my saddle when I do climb seated.

    Let's hope I can get this below 26 lbs otherwise it doesn't make sense to haul a 27 lb bike around my trails.

    I will also be heading to Utah and CA once a year and will use this bike for those trips - with heavier duty tires of course.

    Anyone weigh their large frameset?
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    Getting a large build with pedals to end up under 26lbs is going to be tough I think.

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    Well I did build up the lightest Santa Cruz Blur. Size Large at 20.5 pounds.
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    I'm carbon everything and over 30lbs in a large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    Well I did build up the lightest Santa Cruz Blur. Size Large at 20.5 pounds.
    That is super light. Still going to be tough on this bike but I am curious to see how close you do get. List your build spec so that others could possibly accomplish it as well. I will stay tuned. .

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    My bad, actually the Blur was 19.5 lbs.
    Fezzari La Sal Peak- Pictures and Discussions-screenshot_20200215-192509_photos.jpg

    So my new fork is approximately 2 pounds heavier, add a dropper and that's another pound.

    At 22.5 pounds, I only have 2.5 pounds for the frame.

    Add another pound for my different wheels (200g difference) and the difference between AXS and my XX1.

    So, doesn't look like I'll make it running a dropper.

    26.5??? Let's hope.
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    La Sal Peak frame weight

    Size large frame with shock:
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    Final weight with pedals.
    Fezzari La Sal Peak- Pictures and Discussions-20200302_144939.jpg

    This won't be the setup I use around here on my local trails. I really don't need a dropper and will run lighter tires. But it will be how I run it when I travel with the bike.

    So max weight is 27 pounds and I can probably drop close to 2 for my local trails.

    Looking forward to riding it this spring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    Final weight with pedals.
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    This won't be the setup I use around here on my local trails. I really don't need a dropper and will run lighter tires. But it will be how I run it when I travel with the bike.

    So max weight is 27 pounds and I can probably drop close to 2 for my local trails.

    Looking forward to riding it this spring.
    Ok that is crazy, I have Carbon rims, bar and the xt 1x12 and mine comes in around 33lbs.......

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    Got my La Sal a few months back and got some riding done..... although not as much as I'd like due to the weather. So far so good, it's a great bike! I'm having lots of fun tuning the Fox suspension setup.

    I'm really looking to get a 27.5 wheelset to play around with. I'd really prefer to not go plus sized to keep the weight down. However, I'm concerned with some folks talking about the flip chip not offering enough bottom bracket clearance. So I have a few questions.....

    1) Has anyone run 27.5 with non plus size on there la Sal? Has it worked out? I was thinking of running 2.5s...

    2) If I made some custom flip chips with more BB adjustment would people be interested? As a mechanical engineer it sounds like a fun little project

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    Quote Originally Posted by CT_Rider View Post

    2) If I made some custom flip chips with more BB adjustment would people be interested? As a mechanical engineer it sounds like a fun little project

    -Jon
    Depends on how well they work really. I do like the idea of a 27.5 wheelset.

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    New Flip Chip Design

    Had some spare time this weekend so I modeled the stock flip chip, and a proposed design for the new one. Quick math says it should be a 5-6mm increase in BB clearance, which would be at least enough to run 2.6's. Not sure if it's going to be worth the cost and effort, but it's a fun project nonetheless. I'm going to order the hardware and 3d print the new flip chip design. That should let me measure the BB height change before I machine the new flip chips out of aluminum.

    I'll keep you guys posted
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    Quote Originally Posted by CT_Rider View Post
    I'll keep you guys posted
    Please do, if it turns out well enough and let's you run 27.5s and have no real downsides, I'd be interested in giving you dinero to make me one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CT_Rider View Post
    Had some spare time this weekend so I modeled the stock flip chip, and a proposed design for the new one. Quick math says it should be a 5-6mm increase in BB clearance, which would be at least enough to run 2.6's. Not sure if it's going to be worth the cost and effort, but it's a fun project nonetheless. I'm going to order the hardware and 3d print the new flip chip design. That should let me measure the BB height change before I machine the new flip chips out of aluminum.

    I'll keep you guys posted
    I'm not sure I'd want to mess with the flip chip interface in this way. Having just gone through a pretty lengthy process to get a Real World Cycling roller bearing kit to fit my LSP, and having a 2nd generation swing link under warranty due to play in the original design with flip chips that just barely seated incorrectly, I think this could wear into the swing link somehow. Why not just go with offset shock bushings to accomplish the same thing?
    https://www.ebay.com/i/283141885049?...CABEgJ8JfD_BwE

    *note, I don't know if this is the correct bushing for the LSP, just putting up something as an example of an offset bushing*



    I may give it a try, as I'm running a mullet rig, re: 29 front, 27.5 + rear, in the HIGH position, and still get too many pedal strikes.
    I would advise not taking my advice.

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    Alright,
    I had my first ride on the bike yesterday in some techy single track. The ground was pretty much leaf covered, wet, and a bit soft (spring thaw).

    This trail has a lot of slow tech climbs that kill you lungs and makes you want to spit blood - LOL.

    I have to say, I wasn't overly impressed but that's not to say I don't like the bike.

    My other bikes are an Orange Stage 4, and an Orbea OIZ so that is what I have to compare it to. I feel like my Orange is just as plush, and climbs just as good. And at 1.5 to 2 pounds lighter I'm not sure where I'm going to use the La Sal outside of if I go out west.

    So, today I took the dropper off - not really needed around here, and swapped to some lighter tires. Now the bike is in the 25 lb range and we'll see how it does.

    I know this bike is overkill for where I live, but I was hoping to get a smoother bike for my old body, and something that climbed decently.

    It does climb decently, especially when the fork is locked out, and maybe I just have to run more sag. Currently at 28-29% (not quite 30).

    Will increasing the sag to say 32-35% provide more traction and a smoother ride without sacrificing the climbing?Fezzari La Sal Peak- Pictures and Discussions-20200313_084925.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    Alright,
    I had my first ride on the bike yesterday in some techy single track. The ground was pretty much leaf covered, wet, and a bit soft (spring thaw).

    This trail has a lot of slow tech climbs that kill you lungs and makes you want to spit blood - LOL.

    I have to say, I wasn't overly impressed but that's not to say I don't like the bike.

    My other bikes are an Orange Stage 4, and an Orbea OIZ so that is what I have to compare it to. I feel like my Orange is just as plush, and climbs just as good. And at 1.5 to 2 pounds lighter I'm not sure where I'm going to use the La Sal outside of if I go out west.

    So, today I took the dropper off - not really needed around here, and swapped to some lighter tires. Now the bike is in the 25 lb range and we'll see how it does.

    I know this bike is overkill for where I live, but I was hoping to get a smoother bike for my old body, and something that climbed decently.

    It does climb decently, especially when the fork is locked out, and maybe I just have to run more sag. Currently at 28-29% (not quite 30).

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    I like supple suspension and with air shocks, I run as much sag as I can until it feels wrong. Either it mucks with the geometry, or wallows like it has flat tires. That's the starting point, then I'll work on the ramp and mid range. I can go check mine, but it's like tire pressure, it's really individual based on your weight etc. Unless you end up changing the seat angle drastically, it should climb the same. Full disclosure, I rarely or never lock out my suspension and don't care if it moves a bit while climbing. Better traction right? I mainly don't because I always forget to unlock it...

    I also like to replace my bushings with roller bearings, but I'm waiting for Watermonkey to finish ginuea pigging that process. It's been nothing but snow and mud here since October, so I haven't been on my mtb in at least a month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryman View Post
    I also like to replace my bushings with roller bearings, but I'm waiting for Watermonkey to finish ginuea pigging that process. It's been nothing but snow and mud here since October, so I haven't been on my mtb in at least a month.
    Just got the parts last week, will install over the weekend and give an update. RWC had my surplus swing link, and came up with this solution below - he said its a perfect fit and would post in the suspension forum this info in the near future.

    Chris @ RWC, "1 pcs NBKRWC2185, 3 pcs Stainless Steel Shim Kit 8 x 17 x 0.5mm, Theoretically, it takes it to 24.85mm but it allows the bolt to be fully tightened with the flip chip extending inside the swing link and the inner ring locked down, with the shock able to pivot smoothly."

    Headed to Sedona next week, will give it a go and report back.

    EDIT---------Haven't been on here much lately, just noticed that Chris from RWC posted this info in the https://forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspe...me-998670.html forum, post # 612.
    I would advise not taking my advice.

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    I destroyed the driver on my first Stan's wheel. They took care of it and replaced it which was awesome of them! The new one has been good, but I wanted something stronger. I had my LBS build me a new wheel set with DT Swiss EX511 rims and Hadley USA hubs. These should be bulletproof!

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    So is the clamp a 34.9/35.0? Thanks

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    So, after 14 months and around 1200 miles I decided to sell my La Sal Peak.

    As much as I loved the geometry, I was starting to have reliability issues with the frame. I had to have the rocker link and flip chips replaced as they had developed play. In addition, the chainstay pivots (especially the drive side) were developing play. Fezzari was great with the warranty parts but I didn't want to be calling them every month to get new parts.

    My biggest concern with the frame was that the rear triangle had a ton of lateral flex. So much that the tire would rub on the chainstay (especially on the drive side) and sometimes on the seat stay. Fezzari thought it was tire or wheel flex but I have an identical set of tires and wheels in my Evil Following (light bicycle carbon rims with Onyx hubs) and they don't rub that frame and it has a lot less clearance.

    Granted I am heavy (around 200 lbs suited up with hydration pack) and I am an aggressive but smooth (top 10) descender on Northern Colorado's steep and chunky trails. I think that perhaps I was just too much for the bike? I don't know. The flex was really unnerving, though. Maybe I just had a whippy rear triangle and others haven't had the same issue.

    After much research, I ended up going with a 2020 Santa Cruz Hightower frame and swapped my parts over. I'm really liking the Hightower so far as the geometry is very similar but it has a much more stiff, solid, planted feel than the LSP did.

    I wish Fezzari the best. I think the second generation of this bike could be improved and a real hit when it comes out. It's a good bike and I really liked the way it rode and handled. Carved corners great and the rear suspension was probably the best I've ridden but it was just too flexy in the rear for me and I worried about the long term viability of the pivots and other moving parts. Plus, as silly as it sounds, I was never really that stoked on how it looked but I didn't have to look at it while I was riding.

    Anyway, there's a bit of a long term report for anyone who is interested.

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    So is the clamp a 34.9/35.0? Thanks
    Yes, Either 34.9 or 35.0 will work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarmerTed. View Post

    My biggest concern with the frame was that the rear triangle had a ton of lateral flex. So much that the tire would rub on the chainstay (especially on the drive side) and sometimes on the seat stay. Fezzari thought it was tire or wheel flex but I have an identical set of tires and wheels in my Evil Following (light bicycle carbon rims with Onyx hubs) and they don't rub that frame and it has a lot less clearance.
    Interesting this came up.

    I just bought this frame and as I was building it up, I thought the rear end looked rather minimalist.

    Placing some weight on the seat and moving the rear end back and forth it does seem flexy. However, I didn't notice any flex while riding it, and maybe it was designed that way. I can see how this would place loads on the pivots/ chips which may lead to problems eventually.

    But, like I said, mine is new so I'll ride it this summer and sell it like I do the other 4 bikes I buy an sell every year.

    I have to say that FarmerTed did just crush the resale value of our frames/ bikes now and moving forward for anyone who reads this thread. - thanks.

    Personally, bikes are disposable objects and a hobby so I'm not too concerned, but I can see how some people would be now.
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    I wanted to give some feedback to fellow LA Sal owners out there as I have owned this bike for 1 year and it strikes such a good balance of between a trail & enduro.
    I thought i was crazy about the rear flex as i was getting the same tire rub problem. Thought it was the flimsy exo casing or stock alloy wheels. Fezzari did their best to troubleshoot but just rode on as there was no play in the pivots or swing link. Check pivot torque as mine were a bit loose....it happens on all bikes at some point I guess
    The upside was that this is the the 1st bike that allowed me to do a 2 wheel drift....I attribute this to rear flex but it felt ohhh soo good. This could also be because the flimsier 29 wheels and tire casing.....either way the frame rubbing was significant.

    After being a squeaky wheel, Fezzari did send me a new beefed up version of the chainstay. Initial comparisons is that this new chainstay is stiffer. Due to covid and lots of snow I did not try it out yet.

    So if you experience frame rub check your torque setting on all pivots. I would not be bothered with the flex as it made me look & feel like a pro.

    Great brand with great support so don't despair just yet about comments above. Will update when I can ride again.

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    So i just installed my RWC kit from Chris. Just bouncing around in my garage, I noticed it was way smoother. Like super smooth. The install was pretty easy. I have the Rockshox shock and I removed it completely from the bike and just used my bench mounted vice as a press. I used the "0" size axle, and it went in super easy with no front and back play. I may have to go up a size axle after it all sets in though. I did order the RWC green press tool as well, and it made it easier since I don't have a bike bearing press. The hardest part was getting the shims and shock lined up when I put it all back together.

    This is my first FS bike, and although there was nothing wrong with the bushings, I figured why not take a chance on this since it has such great reviews and it's pretty cheap. Unfortunately, I won't be able to take it out for a spin anytime soon due to Oregon getting a bunch of rain for the next 10 days or so.

    Also, if you use the code Bikeariously at checkout, you get 20% off. Saw that on some guys youtube video about the bearing and the code still worked for me

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    Interesting this came up.



    I have to say that FarmerTed did just crush the resale value of our frames/ bikes now and moving forward for anyone who reads this thread. - thanks.

    Personally, bikes are disposable objects and a hobby so I'm not too concerned, but I can see how some people would be now.
    If I destroyed the resale value of a whole model of bike by sharing a single personal experience on one forum then, wow, I'm way more powerful than I thought. I must be in the wrong business.

    Seriously, YMMV. I shared my experience and I think it's interesting that others have already shared theirs and it's enough of an issue that Fezzari apparently has a beefed up chainstay ready to ship out to folks who are complaining?!? Wow, I wish I had known that. Instead of trying to save a few bucks shipping a warranty part, they could have kept a customer.

    Every time I called them, they just said it was tire or wheel flex. I was pretty sure that it wasn't when my drive side crank arm was hitting the outside of the chainstay in rough sections ( I descend left foot forward and have never had that happen in 30+ years of mountain biking). I could actually squeeze the drive side crank arm and chainstay with one hand and get them to touch. I can't do that on any of my other bikes.

    Oh well, It was never really an issue when riding. I could only really tell when I got on a different bike and the rear end just felt so much more stiff and I'm not one who can normally tell that kind of stuff. I have never really been able to tell the stiffness of parts (wheels, forks, frames, etc.) until now...and an old Giant Reign that I used to have but that's another story.

    Anyway, I seriously doubt my honest assessment is going to kill the resale for a whole bike. Get on a forum for any other bike brand and you'll find people bashing some aspect of them left and right. I think you're all safe.

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