Winter Riding and Freezing Water- Mtbr.com
Results 1 to 40 of 40
  1. #1
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    88

    Winter Riding and Freezing Water

    So I'm bored at work and was looking for alternatives to keeping water in a framebag in the winter vs. on your back and under your jacket. My initial thought was some type of aquarium heater in a water bladder in your frame bag hooked to a battery and dynamo hub. I did some research and the only USB heaters I could find probably wouldn't be effective. Instead of using a heater, would using this small pump powered by a dynamo hub and battery in an insulated water bladder, work?

    DC 3W USB 4 5V 12V Submersible Water Pump Aquarium Fish Pond Micro Mini Pump | eBay

    My thought being that moving water doesn't freeze. Is this plausible, or am I way off base?

  2. #2
    Rocking on a Rocky
    Reputation: RockyJo1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    1,511

    Celsius Solid Fuel Hand Warmer

    :thumbsup:It doesn't matter what I ride as long as I ride it Rubber Side Down●~●.

  3. #3
    Rocking on a Rocky
    Reputation: RockyJo1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    1,511

    Zippo Hand Warmer

    :thumbsup:It doesn't matter what I ride as long as I ride it Rubber Side Down●~●.

  4. #4
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    166
    After carrying Nalgenes on many winter hikes, I can assure you that moving water does indeed freeze.

    For day trips, I use insulated sleeves and I fill the bottles with hot water before leaving home. They still freeze, but it takes longer overall.

    I have one sleeve from OR and another from EMS. Both work fine.

    Another option may be to put a chemical toe or hand warmer packet at the bottom of the insulated sleeve. I haven't tried that yet.
    Spinymouse

    11 KM SS
    13 CC Rando-Check
    13 Pugsley

  5. #5
    Moderator Moderator
    Reputation: mtbxplorer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    7,561
    A thermos is nice.

  6. #6
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Greenfin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    332
    work harder, get promotion, make more money, by lighter bike, do the same ride in less time, not get as cold
    Still cleaning my Fatback.
    It's a life style.

  7. #7
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Posts
    247
    Start with hot water, drink the water before it freezes, maybe use a thermos.

  8. #8
    aka bOb
    Reputation: bdundee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    8,683
    Keep your water bottle upside down, helps to keep the valve from freezing. Also mix with some kinda sugar drink that helps as well or use Gatorade mixed with Everclear

  9. #9
    Elitest thrill junkie
    Reputation: Jayem's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    31,679
    Snowboarding camelback helps. Insulated hose that is zipped away inside the shoulder strap (instead of outside).
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

    You're turning black metallic.

  10. #10
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    413
    A shot of whiskey in each bottle helps lower the freezing temp of the water.

  11. #11
    Laramie, Wyoming
    Reputation: alphazz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    1,941
    hikernks, for how long are you planning on riding? As Bob pointed out above, using Gatorade helps a lot. Next, use an insulated bottle carrier or put the bottle in the frame bag. At some point they will all freeze. For really long rides, I carry a small ultra light stove for getting more water and thawing what I have. Warm Gatorade tastes great when it's below zero. You shouldn't have much of a problem if you live in Kansas at 1300 feet. Try the JPAKS insulated carrier.

  12. #12
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Posts
    121
    then there is thermosses distant cousin....the insulated waterbottle

    Quote Originally Posted by alphazz View Post
    hikernks, for how long are you planning on riding? As Bob pointed out above, using Gatorade helps a lot. Next, use an insulated bottle carrier or put the bottle in the frame bag. At some point they will all freeze. For really long rides, I carry a small ultra light stove for getting more water and thawing what I have. Warm Gatorade tastes great when it's below zero. You shouldn't have much of a problem if you live in Kansas at 1300 feet. Try the JPAKS insulated carrier.

  13. #13
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Posts
    131
    Anything carbonated, like carbonated water, won't freeze till 14F -10C. You do need to warm it up slightly for a couple minutes in your jacket before you pop the top or it will flash freeze when you do.

    When it's cold carry a stove or a handwarmer like has been said. Everclear is a great multi use item that can double duty as stove fuel under the right conditions....preferably before you drink much of it.... ;>)

    And no, carbon frames aren't carbonated.....

  14. #14
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Posts
    2,271
    Heads-up guys: Hot water can freeze faster than cold water. Called the Mpemba effect.

    Insulated bottle helps. Hydrating before the ride also helps.

    I've had good luck with a camelback with insulated tube. Sometimes the bite vavle freezed up, but a bite down or sucking on it works.
    Oh noes. I'm going to drink the Kool-Aid.

  15. #15
    Hybrid Leftys aren't real Moderator
    Reputation: MendonCycleSmith's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    15,944
    Another vote for a shot of vodka, whiskey etc.

    One for the water bottle too of course....
    This is a Pugs not some carbon wannabee pretzel wagon!!

    - FrostyStruthers



    www.mendoncyclesmith.com

  16. #16
    Lord Thunderbottom
    Reputation: TitanofChaos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    907
    hydroflask, I stopped 3 hours into a 15deg F ride and still had hot soup and room temp water
    Today I will do what others won't, so tomorrow I can do what others can't

  17. #17
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Posts
    106

    Winter Riding and Freezing Water

    A Thermos, when pre heated with boiling water for a few minutes before actually filling it will hold heat for longer than you'll want to be out on your bike at well below freezing. And modern thermos' can be surprisingly light.

    Edit: don't use anything other than stainless lined, obviously.



    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  18. #18
    aka bOb
    Reputation: bdundee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    8,683
    And serious about keeping the bottle upside down to keep the nipple (he he) clear.

  19. #19
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    17
    Hydroflask is your friend. I have four of them.

  20. #20
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    886
    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    And serious about keeping the bottle upside down to keep the nipple (he he) clear.
    Bob; I know that water freezes from the top down...but in a water bottle with all areas exposed to the air...has me scratching my head. Also, water expands as it freezes, there goes that nipple...and the remaining liquid water? But can see a limited possibility under which this trick could be worth a try.

    Can you relate personal experiences and conditions under which this held true?

    Edit: Or was this the method used to keep that nipple clear and free flowing?

  21. #21
    aka bOb
    Reputation: bdundee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    8,683
    Quote Originally Posted by Sand Rat View Post

    Edit: Or was this the method used to keep that nipple clear and free flowing?
    Yes this^^^ It doesn't help the water from freezing any faster but it does keep it flowing longer and there have been a few on here that tried this and reported back with good results.

  22. #22
    Laramie, Wyoming
    Reputation: alphazz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    1,941
    Quote Originally Posted by Sand Rat View Post
    Bob; I know that water freezes from the top down...but in a water bottle with all areas exposed to the air...has me scratching my head. Also, water expands as it freezes, there goes that nipple...and the remaining liquid water? But can see a limited possibility under which this trick could be worth a try.

    Can you relate personal experiences and conditions under which this held true?

    Edit: Or was this the method used to keep that nipple clear and free flowing?
    I often ride in temps near or below zero in the winter. Already, my ride this evening was nearly four hours of riding below 30 F. With a Strong Gatorade mixture, I don't usually have issues until the temps are below 10 F. If I notice that the bottles are starting to get slushy, I will turn the spare bottle upside down if I have one. I also use the Camelback bottles with the nipples that lock so that water doesn't get in the valve until I'm using that bottle (I usually have at least two bottles).

    On a side note, I was riding beside someone last year during a long race who had both of his bottles freeze (mine were slushy but not frozen). It had been near or below zero since the race started, it was several hours later. Water had frozen in his nipple and his cap was frozen on. He was hoping to get some of the frozen water out of his bottle I guess and he hit his bottle on his bars to try to loosen the cap. I watched the bottle shatter. Just a thought about what not to try.

  23. #23
    Elitest thrill junkie
    Reputation: Jayem's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    31,679
    Quote Originally Posted by alphazz View Post
    With a Strong Gatorade mixture...
    The opposite of hydration IMO, that's just too much sugar.
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

    You're turning black metallic.

  24. #24
    mtbr member
    Reputation: solarplex's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    1,585

    Winter Riding and Freezing Water

    I ride in the mountains snowmobiling. The water bag doesnt freeze in your pack the hose and valve does. The neoprean covers are a joke, geiger rig makes one called a garage that you put a hand warmer in.
    Fatbike, XC bike, Gravel Bike....

  25. #25
    mtbr member
    Reputation: PedroK's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Posts
    18
    Last winter, I used this bottle.
    Wiggle | Elite Iceberg Thermal 650ml Bottle | Water Bottles
    It worked wery well. Really cold weathers i used warm water.

  26. #26
    mtbr member
    Reputation: mhelander's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    146
    I've used 5dl thermos bottles filled with room temperature Gatorade last winter. Tried to buy Elite stainless thermo bottle but got one which didn't hold threaded cap property and didn't insulate at all. Money back instead of working replacement...

    Then purchased CamelBak stainless thermos and team Better Bottle, made working insulated plumbing and had chance to test it couple of times in sub-freezing temps. Works.

    Let's see when colder how well with plumbing, if problems then back to stock nipple and maybe neoprene cap on top.

    Sent from Lumia phone using Tapatalk
    Cheers,
    -Mika

  27. #27
    Anchorage, AK
    Reputation: anortherncrazy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    658
    half jameson, half diet coke. not the best mixture but it works!
    two wheel livin'..

  28. #28
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    88
    Quote Originally Posted by anortherncrazy View Post
    half jameson, half diet coke. not the best mixture but it works!
    Why would you do that to perfectly good Jameson? Good God man. There are only two things you can mix Jameson with and they are ice and water! The humanity.

  29. #29
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Posts
    2,271
    Quote Originally Posted by hikernks View Post
    Why would you do that to perfectly good Jameson? Good God man. There are only two things you can mix Jameson with and they are ice and water! The humanity.
    And ginger beer.
    Oh noes. I'm going to drink the Kool-Aid.

  30. #30
    Hybrid Leftys aren't real Moderator
    Reputation: MendonCycleSmith's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    15,944
    Quote Originally Posted by hikernks View Post
    Why would you do that to perfectly good Jameson? Good God man. There are only two things you can mix Jameson with and they are ice and water! The humanity.
    Come now, there's simply nothing better than a big snort of nasty, cancer causing artificial sweetener with your liquid gold....
    This is a Pugs not some carbon wannabee pretzel wagon!!

    - FrostyStruthers



    www.mendoncyclesmith.com

  31. #31
    EAT MORE GRIME
    Reputation: 127.0.0.1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    4,508
    aerogel bottles


    a) elite nanogelite bottles, I have two and they work great

    but they are not 100% leak proof, so as a bottle they suck

    b) Camelbak Podium Ice is my next purchase...apparently they are for sale on camelbak website. podiums do not leak... but I am not ready to decommission my elites yet


    and a big box of 100 handwarmers from costco....I am sitting on about 200 toewarmers and 200 handwarmers ready for winter !!!!

  32. #32
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    34

    Winter Riding and Freezing Water

    ....I am sitting on about 200 toewarmers and 200 handwarmers ready for winter !!

    I just got a visual of that. Wouldn't you burn up?

  33. #33
    Elitest thrill junkie
    Reputation: Jayem's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    31,679
    Quote Originally Posted by gjbiker View Post
    ....I am sitting on about 200 toewarmers and 200 handwarmers ready for winter !!

    I just got a visual of that. Wouldn't you burn up?
    Value Jet.
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

    You're turning black metallic.

  34. #34
    Laramie, Wyoming
    Reputation: alphazz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    1,941
    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    The opposite of hydration IMO, that's just too much sugar.
    It is some sugar but I'm not talking about for powder puff riding. At the temps most are going to ride in and for no longer than most ride, freezing water isn't very hard to deal with. Jayem, if you are in California, you probably don't ride for months where every ride is under 20 F, most are under 10 F, and many are below zero. I rode only snow for eight months last year. At those temps while riding for hours, the last thing I think about is too much sugar.

  35. #35
    mtbr member
    Reputation: brentos's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    1,756
    For anyone who does use a hydration pack. Blow air back into the hose when done drinking. The hose is what freezes, and won't freeze when filled with air.

  36. #36
    Elitest thrill junkie
    Reputation: Jayem's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    31,679
    Quote Originally Posted by alphazz View Post
    It is some sugar but I'm not talking about for powder puff riding. At the temps most are going to ride in and for no longer than most ride, freezing water isn't very hard to deal with. Jayem, if you are in California, you probably don't ride for months where every ride is under 20 F, most are under 10 F, and many are below zero. I rode only snow for eight months last year. At those temps while riding for hours, the last thing I think about is too much sugar.
    No, I live in Alaska.

    I remember though back in AZ when I used to down gatorade like it was going out of style. I also remember how when I went back to straight water it felt like I had cleared out my "filter" and my body was much more efficient and would go further/faster. The "electrolytes" are kind of a sham and more modern supplements are far superior these days. A sugary gatorade mix is simply bad for you IMO, the wrong kind of energy intake IME and doesn't do as well hydrating as water. I'll eat salty stuff and a variety of foods/supplements as necessary for electrolytes, but never gatorade again. HFCS is not part of my riding nutrition.
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

    You're turning black metallic.

  37. #37
    Laramie, Wyoming
    Reputation: alphazz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    1,941
    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    No, I live in Alaska.

    I remember though back in AZ when I used to down gatorade like it was going out of style. I also remember how when I went back to straight water it felt like I had cleared out my "filter" and my body was much more efficient and would go further/faster. The "electrolytes" are kind of a sham and more modern supplements are far superior these days. A sugary gatorade mix is simply bad for you IMO, the wrong kind of energy intake IME and doesn't do as well hydrating as water. I'll eat salty stuff and a variety of foods/supplements as necessary for electrolytes, but never gatorade again. HFCS is not part of my riding nutrition.
    Jayem, I ageee with you, but I eat precious little sugar in anything else. I work with a lot of people who are obese (some morbidly) and mostly it's because of an excess of poor diet, which often means too much sugar.

    The problem is, most people struggle with water in true winter conditions, I usually don't. There have to be some sacrifices made to ride for more than an hour when it's 15 degrees or less. For me, it's Gatorade.

  38. #38
    mtbr member
    Reputation: SundayRiverRider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    153
    I have this Camelback thing that can fit under a jacket and also has a thermal covered hose. It works very well in the winter. They don't make that particular model anymore though. I bring it with me to the mountain occasionally and have also used it for snowshoeing and xc skiing. I anticipate using it for the fat bike this winter.

  39. #39
    is buachail foighneach me
    Reputation: sean salach's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    6,589
    Hydroheater, an insulated bladder sleeve and a couple of handwarmers for the bladder should work perfectly for in the frame bag at frigid temps.

    And moving water will end up being frozen water eventually if it's cold enough. Rivers and parts of the ocean freeze.

  40. #40
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,742
    Blowing back through the hose helps to keep the bite valve from freezing, but I started using a scoop of random tropical flavor hydration mix with a shot of rum last winter. Throughout our "polar vortex" (what wussies call winter) I never had any freezing issues. The insulated hose works well also.

Similar Threads

  1. Provisions for Riding Ice Over Deep Water?
    By AllMountin' in forum Fat bikes
    Replies: 38
    Last Post: 01-23-2014, 10:34 AM
  2. Replies: 17
    Last Post: 08-22-2013, 04:16 AM
  3. winter/water proof flat peddel MTB shoes
    By miggy in forum Apparel and Protection
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 07-10-2013, 06:05 AM
  4. Riding through water.....
    By JeffSkisMontana in forum Riding Passion
    Replies: 32
    Last Post: 12-28-2012, 08:57 PM
  5. Favorite water for riding
    By Mtn-Rider in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 71
    Last Post: 05-05-2012, 10:30 AM

Members who have read this thread: 0

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

THE SITE

ABOUT MTBR

VISIT US AT

© Copyright 2019 VerticalScope Inc. All rights reserved.