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    Where is my ice cream truck?

    I have been awaiting the arrival of the Ice Cream Truck since it was announced, all of the articles I have read said that it would be coming in July… its August and where is the ICT?



    Just wondering if anyone has some inside info on when I can get one?

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    I've got one on the way too. My LBS told me mid-late August, so I've tried to be patient. They'll get here soon enough I reckon.

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    If they say july you'll be lucky to get it in october.

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    The lack of any news has been driving me crazy too. I haven't seen any new reviews or impressions online in the past couple months. Surely somebody must be riding one, right?

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    the next street over.

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    QBP never releases products on time, and if its a product that people are excites about, they wait even longer.

    Bikesdirect will have already stolen the design, and their child laborers will be halfway through welding up the first batch of new "Frozen Yogurt Truck" frames by the time QBP sets down their PBRs and finally releases the Ice Cream Truck.

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    there's one at my lbs but it's a demo. none in stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    Bikesdirect will have already stolen the design, and their child laborers will be halfway through welding up the first batch of new "Frozen Yogurt Truck" frames by the time QBP sets down their PBRs and finally releases the Ice Cream Truck.
    That ship has already sailed. Take a look at Bikes Direct Lurch.
    Everyone says it is a Pugsley copy, but only the frame geometry is similar.

    The Lurch is symmetric with 190mm rear 150mm front hubs, just like the Ice Cream Truck. Take away the press fit BB with its wider chainstays to stiffen the rear, and you have a Lurch.

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    Re: Where is my ice cream truck?

    Quote Originally Posted by rex615 View Post
    That ship has already sailed. Take a look at Bikes Direct Lurch.
    Everyone says it is a Pugsley copy, but only the frame geometry is similar.

    The Lurch is symmetric with 190mm rear 150mm front hubs, just like the Ice Cream Truck. Take away the press fit BB with its wider chainstays to stiffen the rear, and you have a Lurch.
    Well, its the geometry that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    Well, its the geometry that matters.
    I can't tell if you are being serious or not.

    the biggest difference in geometry between the two is that the Ice Cream Truck has a slacker head angle; 68 degrees vs 70 for the Pugsley (and the Lurch).

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    I'll be your Ice Cream Truck....big boy!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    I'll be your Ice Cream Truck....big boy!!
    Thanks, but apparently I am more of a Lurch kinda guy.

    It's those two extra degrees, you understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    Well, its the geometry that matters.
    Quote Originally Posted by rex615 View Post
    I can't tell if you are being serious or not.

    the biggest difference in geometry between the two is that the Ice Cream Truck has a slacker head angle; 68 degrees vs 70 for the Pugsley (and the Lurch).
    That's a huge difference. The geometry, along with stiffer tubing is what really differentiates the ICT from the Lurch, which is really just a pugsley copy with a few upgrades.

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    Once you throw a suspension fork on the ICT, the headtube angle will go down a bit for normal riding.

    Every time I hear of the Ice Cream Truck, all I can think of is the playstation game Twisted Metal and the evil icecream truck vehicle with its obnoxious laugh. Need to get that laugh programed into a speaker and mount it on the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    That's a huge difference.
    I guess I still have a lot to learn about fat bikes, where 2 degrees is a huge difference.

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    That's the difference between a XC race bike and an All mountain/enduro bike. Half of a degree of head tube angle change is very noticeable. 2 full degrees is a completely different kind of bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    Well, its the geometry that matters.
    Quote Originally Posted by rex615 View Post
    I guess I still have a lot to learn about fat bikes, where 2 degrees is a huge difference.
    it's the difference between feeling like you're going OTB and being able to bomb downhills with confidence- 2 degrees makes an enormous difference in rake and trail and massively effects stability and handling. this is basic chassis dynamics for any kind of bike: fat, skinny, road, mtb and even/especially motorcycles, where a 1/2º can make the difference between a great handling bike and an unrideable death-machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rex615 View Post
    I guess I still have a lot to learn about fat bikes, where 2 degrees is a huge difference.
    it's not really. i have yet to be held back AT ALL, by my 71 degree head angle vs the mid upper 60's ha bikes that i've owned/ridden when things get steep/techy. the 71 is hella quick through the tight twisties tho!

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    Geometry matters for sure.
    But I've gotten used to whatever geometry my bikes have had over the years and it hasn't held me back or kept me from having any fun. I don't get too concerned about the numbers, as generally bike designers know what they're doing. Especially Surly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watts888 View Post
    Once you throw a suspension fork on the ICT, the headtube angle will go down a bit for normal riding.

    Every time I hear of the Ice Cream Truck, all I can think of is the playstation game Twisted Metal and the evil icecream truck vehicle with its obnoxious laugh. Need to get that laugh programed into a speaker and mount it on the bike.

    stupid question, but how does a suspension fork change the head tube angle? I was looking at geo charts and am not figuring it out totally. Is it because the sus fork is longer, dropping the angle by a bit? I've seen HTA measured with respect both to the ground and a horizontal line from the skewer/hub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyriverag View Post
    stupid question, but how does a suspension fork change the head tube angle? I was looking at geo charts and am not figuring it out totally. Is it because the sus fork is longer, dropping the angle by a bit? I've seen HTA measured with respect both to the ground and a horizontal line from the skewer/hub.
    If you raze the bottom of the head tube(to put a taller fork in) , you decrease the head tube and the seat tube angles...you also increase the load on the head tube with the longer leverarm.....
    The bike is never to heavy, you are just to WEAK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    it's the difference between feeling like you're going OTB and being able to bomb downhills with confidence- 2 degrees makes an enormous difference in rake and trail and massively effects stability and handling.
    I have ridden an ICT on a steep, rooty downhill with step-downs and some rocks and in my opinion the slacker HA makes a difference. In only one ride, my time on the ICT was only 6 seconds slower (over about 7.5 minutes) than my best time on my bike (El Mar Ti with Ardent 2.4 and 100mm up front), with which I am very familiar. In my case there was a 3 degree head-angle difference, but the difference is huge in the "I don't feel like Im gonna go over the bars" department. With a suspension fork (and XT brakes) I would have exceeded my best time.
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    i too cannot wait to experience the subtle differences provided by this new model of fat bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newmarketrog View Post
    it's not really. i have yet to be held back AT ALL, by my 71 degree head angle vs the mid upper 60's ha bikes that i've owned/ridden when things get steep/techy. the 71 is hella quick through the tight twisties tho!

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    Thank allah we have fatbikes with geometry designed for tight twisties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boogman View Post
    i too cannot wait to experience the subtle differences provided by this new model of fat bike.
    lol

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    Here's your answer directly from Surly, just replace "Straggler" with "Ice Cream Truck":

    Gilligaaaaaaaan!! Where?s My Straggler??? | Blog | Surly Bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJones View Post
    Here's your answer directly from Surly, just replace "Straggler" with "Ice Cream Truck":

    Gilligaaaaaaaan!! Where?s My Straggler??? | Blog | Surly Bikes
    So full of awesome...kinda makes me wish I bought an ICT too.

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    Re: Where is my ice cream truck?

    Quote Originally Posted by CJones View Post
    Here's your answer directly from Surly, just replace "Straggler" with "Ice Cream Truck":

    Gilligaaaaaaaan!! Where?s My Straggler??? | Blog | Surly Bikes
    That was a nice Surly tap dance

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJones View Post
    Here's your answer directly from Surly, just replace "Straggler" with "Ice Cream Truck":

    Gilligaaaaaaaan!! Where?s My Straggler??? | Blog | Surly Bikes
    This "aw, shucks guys, we're just a buncha bike lovers from da nort' woods, we don't know about this stuff" schtick wears thin pretty quick.

    Oh, golly der, I don't know when the bikes are commin' from tha China, that's what fancy people do and lord knows we aren't fancy here.

    I'm guessing that 90% of the job at Surly is logistics. Strange that they're getting their asses beat on logistics by the idiots at BikesDirect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Thank allah we have fatbikes with geometry designed for tight twisties.
    Eh go build a wheel or something. Do you accept tips?

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    We saw the same thing happening this year with Singular's fatbike.

    The moral of the story is keep production close to home - wherever that may be.
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    This Pug ate them all

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    Re: Where is my ice cream truck?

    Quote Originally Posted by rex615 View Post
    I guess I still have a lot to learn about fat bikes, where 2 degrees is a huge difference.
    It's a huge difference on any bike. Especially when you've got a long suspension fork amplifying the difference. The Ice Cream Truck is also going to be a lot stiffer. Whether or not that is desirable is up to you. The lurch is their Pugsley copy. Hub spacing has nothing to do with it. Like I said, I'm sure they'll rip off the ICT, too.

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    I think their blog post was a step in the right direction at least they weren't flipping us off

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post

    The moral of the story is keep production close to home - wherever that may be.
    Amen!!

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    Re: Where is my ice cream truck?

    Quote Originally Posted by buckfiddious View Post
    This "aw, shucks guys, we're just a buncha bike lovers from da nort' woods, we don't know about this stuff" schtick wears thin pretty quick.

    Oh, golly der, I don't know when the bikes are commin' from tha China, that's what fancy people do and lord knows we aren't fancy here.

    I'm guessing that 90% of the job at Surly is logistics. Strange that they're getting their asses beat on logistics by the idiots at BikesDirect.
    They've got QBP money behind them so I reckon the sense of urgency just isn't there. Hence all the yammering about beer and what not. I imagine bikes direct is a smaller venture and trying much harder to keep their lights on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    I think their blog post was a step in the right direction at least they weren't flipping us off
    this part kinda felt like a flip off....
    If you wanted to buy one of our new bikes, and you don’t want to buy it anymore because you won’t be able to buy it by October the 7th, then probably you shouldn’t buy it in the first place.
    but I am always wrong....just ask my wife.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    especially motorcycles, where a 1/2º can make the difference between a great handling bike and an unrideable death-machine.
    Interesting.

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    QBP says Ice Cream Trucks are arriving in September.
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    Pro Tips:

    #1 - keep your current bike until the new bike shows up and you are sure you love it

    #2 - assume any product ETAs are optimistic by several months

    #3 - 2 degrees difference in HTA is huge in any bicycle
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    I think I'm going to go ahead and order one. I've given up on being able to read any reviews or impressions before getting one. I think if I wait any longer I won't be able to ensure one will be available for me.

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    the bike will be super sweet. better than custom. you'll be stoked!

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    Quote Originally Posted by newmarketrog View Post
    the bike will be super sweet. better than custom. you'll be stoked!

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    And you're basing that on?


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    Quote Originally Posted by newmarketrog View Post
    the bike will be super sweet. better than custom. you'll be stoked!

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    read it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by racefit View Post
    And you're basing that on?
    But he's right.

    I've ridden one. The drive is very direct and the slow speed handling feels precise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    But he's right.

    I've ridden one. The drive is very direct and the slow speed handling feels precise.
    Well don't leave us hanging! Give us more details!

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    Alright, I've got an order in! University Bikes in Boulder did it without even asking for a deposit, which was really nice of them.

    Now I just need to decide if I should get a 29+ wheelset or a bluto first.

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    Where is my ice cream truck?

    So what's the word, Sept/Oct


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    Quote Originally Posted by rjedoaks View Post
    So what's the word, Sept/Oct


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    My LBS is claiming September still, we'll see how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asollie View Post
    Well don't leave us hanging! Give us more details!
    Surly brought a couple over to Scotland earlier this year so I had a short ride.

    My testing was empirical to say the very least. The first thing I noticed was that the back end seemed very connected.

    I did the old stand on the pedal with the brake wheel locked to see how far I could make the chainstays flex. Not very far, so good point No 1.

    Then I rode it in very tight figure 8s to check its steering at the sort of speeds I want my bike to be dead accurate. That was very good, so good point No 2.

    I have complained in the past about the feeling of squirm in forks wider than 100mm under heavy braking, so I tried to induce that. No luck, and good point No 3.

    I didn't take it on any high speed runs, suicidal downhills, or mighty leaps because there's very little of that in my normal riding - all that sort of stuff tends to happen when I'm not paying attention. However the general feel of the bike is well sorted so I would have no qualms using it like that, but the definitive word would have to come from someone more heroic than me.

    Edit: forgot to mention I immediately tried the same stuff on my Pug to make a direct comparison. I was impressed enough to order a ICT as soon as I got home. (However I later cancelled it because the UK importer has stuck a hefty early adopter tax on its price - maybe when it's been around a bit longer)<script type="***************" src="safari-extension://com.ebay.safari.myebaymanager-QYHMMGCMJR/fee4c2e/background/helpers/prefilterHelper.js"></script>
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    From Forrest at Bikeman
    This just in:
    “Ice Cream Truck ops should be shippable within the next few weeks and the 5" version should be likely late September/early October.”

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    Saw someone on another forum claim to be getting theirs this week. Anyone else hear about them shipping?

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    Haven't heard from my LBS in Vermont... time to give 'em a ring I reckon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by willapajames View Post
    Haven't heard from my LBS in Vermont... time to give 'em a ring I reckon...
    Are you getting an ICT? I ordered a frame and fork only for Old Spokes Home. Waiting for it to come. I was most recently told in of Sept / early Oct

    Can't wait. Sold my Necro to fund this.

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    Getting a complete from Onion River in Montpelier. Now they're saying late September. This'll be my first fat bike. Obviously I'm stoked to get it, but I'm not too upset because I don't know what I'm missing...

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    My bike shop is still saying late September for a standard complete ICT. Fingers crossed! It will be my first fat bike as well, so I have no idea what to expect either. I'm really looking forward to trying some of the local trails in the winter though. If that works out I'll be so happy.

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    I noticed the Ice Cream Truck Ops on the Surly site no longer has the Coming Soon graphic over it. Might be a good sign for anyone who ordered one of those.

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    Someone on the Fat Bike facebook page put up a pic of what looks like one, or at least the stickers...?




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    Quote Originally Posted by willapajames View Post
    Getting a complete from Onion River in Montpelier. Now they're saying late September. This'll be my first fat bike. Obviously I'm stoked to get it, but I'm not too upset because I don't know what I'm missing...
    It'll be worth the wait. Where do you live? Maybe a group of us can meet up this winter for some riding. Night time fat biking at Catamount in Williston this winter. Fun times!

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    Where is my ice cream truck?

    Quote Originally Posted by oops View Post
    Someone on the Fat Bike facebook page put up a pic of what looks like one, or at least the stickers...?



    That looks like the ops version on their website, no reason to think it's just stickers.


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    I saw an Ice Cream Truck at the Bike Doctor in Saskatoon today. They also had a single speed Pugs. Usually Canada is way behind the curve on deliveries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gecho View Post
    I saw an Ice Cream Truck at the Bike Doctor in Saskatoon today. They also had a single speed Pugs. Usually Canada is way behind the curve on deliveries.
    Good news! Was it the blue version or the Ops version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by asollie View Post
    Good news! Was it the blue version or the Ops version?
    Blue, I didn't pay much attention to it until the direct mount rear derailleur caught my eye.

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    Looks like a couple shops around the US are getting models in. Not sure if they send out demo units earlier, but I'm starting to get my hopes up. We shall see!

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    Or, plunk down $3650 plus tax and the complete bike is yours.
    ... inflation much? With them charging $1000 more than msrp, makes me wonder if they know about the actually release timelines and just how far out it really is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkzhao View Post
    ... inflation much? With them charging $1000 more than msrp, makes me wonder if they know about the actually release timelines and just how far out it really is.
    Canada tax, a lot of bike stuff here is ridiculously expensive. My LBS said they are going to stop carrying Surly fat bikes all together and just sell Fat Boys. They deal with Specialized directly, but for Surly there is an extra Canadian distributor in the middle.

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    That much of a markup? Wow. Would make sense to stop carrying Surlys. I have a hard time imagining many people willing to pay that much for Surly bikes.

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    Put a blue one together at the shop yesterday and took it out in the back alley. Amazing looking and even better ride. Definitely more slack than the Pugs or Moony. Felt like a 29er.

    The blue sparkle paint job is rad as well.

    36lbs stock

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    According to the Surly Blog they'll start sending out blue ones now. But it sounds like some shops are getting them already. Anyone know of any shops in Colorado that have them yet?

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    Looks like Surly is receiving 5" ICTs now. Woot-Woot!

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    My LBS said next week. yay!

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    Still have a few more Orange bits to go on, but I couldn't help snapping a couple pictures as it is!Where is my ice cream truck?-ict.jpg

    The color much lighter than this picture makes it look, BTW.
    Love this thing!
    Last edited by Rednblackbike; 10-01-2014 at 02:57 PM.

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    Nice ICT. That thing looks like a limo though....dat WB.

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    Looks good! Where do you live, and when did you get it? Did you order the complete bike or the frame?

    Any more impressions?

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    Woohoo! Can't wait to get mine! Will post pics once I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Nice ICT. That thing looks like a limo though....dat WB.
    Yeah that bluto kicks the front wheel out a bit. But the chainstays are relatively short. 450mm ain't bad for a 5" bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asollie View Post
    Looks good! Where do you live, and when did you get it? Did you order the complete bike or the frame?

    Any more impressions?
    Haven't had a chance to really ride it but the short little test ride was a hoot. I'm up in Burlington, VT. at The Old Spokes Home. More impressions after I get a ride on it tomorrow

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    Great looking ride!
    Would you mind posting your height and inseam info for us. I am torn between a 18" and 20" at 5'11" w/ 33" inseam and have to purchase sight unseen.
    Is that a Large 20" frame? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rednblackbike View Post
    Haven't had a chance to really ride it but the short little test ride was a hoot. I'm up in Burlington, VT. at The Old Spokes Home. More impressions after I get a ride on it tomorrow
    Sweet, in Vermont! Hopefully they got mine in at Onion River Sports in Montpelier!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bone Shaker View Post
    Great looking ride!
    Would you mind posting your height and inseam info for us. I am torn between a 18" and 20" at 5'11" w/ 33" inseam and have to purchase sight unseen.
    Is that a Large 20" frame? Thanks.
    This is the XL (22"). I am 6'2 with a 34" Inseam and long monkey arms.

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    Man..I bet that thing is gonna be fast downhill!!!!

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    Saw one built up in a store tonight....beautiful color. Well, my fat bike decision just got a little more difficult....

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    Re: Where is my ice cream truck?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Nice ICT. That thing looks like a limo though....dat WB.
    All the better for getting rad, my dear.

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    Patiently waiting for a frameset. I just want it in my grubby little paws. Old Spokes has a couple in stock if there are any Vermont locals looking for one. (I assume that they are not all sold already)

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    Just got one in for a customer and I got to play around on it for a little while. Seems to ride a lot like my Krampus but with waaaay bigger tires. Felt pretty nimble for how big the tires are.

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    Just got notified that they're about to come in stock here in Sweden.

    Now comes the hard part - choose between this and a 9:ZERO:7.

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    Just received ours. Really nice I like the blue/flake finish and silver/flake rims.

    Where is my ice cream truck?-997064_10152805428929742_7407639635407922962_n.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolution Bicycles View Post
    Just received ours. Really nice I like the blue/flake finish and silver/flake rims.
    Is that the uncut length of the steerer tube? That's promising for guys whose height is in their legs rather than their torso/arms, such as myself.

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    With the mountain bikes we cut the steerer tubes unless it's a ordered sold bike. This Truck is a 18" -medium the portion of steerer cut was about 2.5 inches. Leaving 30mm of stack spacers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnee View Post
    Just got notified that they're about to come in stock here in Sweden.

    Now comes the hard part - choose between this and a 9:ZERO:7.
    tough decision to make, would choose the ict....

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    Man, after all the activity yesterday I was really hoping my LBS would give me a call today. Doesn't seem like its going to happen though.

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    they are busy test riding your bike ��

    heck they are probably busy test riding MY bike!��




    Quote Originally Posted by asollie View Post
    Man, after all the activity yesterday I was really hoping my LBS would give me a call today. Doesn't seem like its going to happen though.

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    Here is MY Ice Cream Truck :-)


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    Got this email from my LBS yesterday evening: "Your ICT should be shipping from Surly today! Please allow a week for shipping and assembly, although there is a small chance it could be ready before the weekend - fingers crossed. We will contact you as soon as the bike is ready."

    Sweet! Looks like they're in stock at Universal Cycles too, so I think the end is in sight.

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    Mine is waiting for me to pick it up at the LBS.ss

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    Quote Originally Posted by asollie View Post
    Got this email from my LBS yesterday evening: "Your ICT should be shipping from Surly today! Please allow a week for shipping and assembly, although there is a small chance it could be ready before the weekend - fingers crossed. We will contact you as soon as the bike is ready."

    Sweet! Looks like they're in stock at Universal Cycles too, so I think the end is in sight.
    Quote Originally Posted by willapajames View Post
    Mine is waiting for me to pick it up at the LBS.ss
    That is awesome! I hope you can post a impression/review and fit info when you get a ride on them. I have to purchase unseen and am unsure about sizing. Any info from owners is a great help.
    Thanks so much.

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    I'm 6'1" and I bought a large. I test rode an XL and it was too big. Someone start a photo thread, mine is going to be pretty sick. Waiting on some parts still, I purchased just frame/fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bone Shaker View Post
    That is awesome! I hope you can post a impression/review and fit info when you get a ride on them. I have to purchase unseen and am unsure about sizing. Any info from owners is a great help.
    Thanks so much.
    I'm 6'7" with a 41" cycling inseam, so I doubt my fit impressions will be useful at all for you. I ordered an XXL. I'll definitely post impressions and lots of high def pictures though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bone Shaker View Post
    That is awesome! I hope you can post a impression/review and fit info when you get a ride on them. I have to purchase unseen and am unsure about sizing. Any info from owners is a great help.
    Thanks so much.
    you are a large.

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    Thank you all.
    I'm starting to think large too. Hoping someone here is my size and has waffled over a medium or large but, has actually swung a leg over both to come to a decision. I guess it will be some time yet.
    Got to get the pic fix in the meantime. What a great color scheme.
    Again, thank you for your info. Keep em coming.

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