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    the thread in which new tires are discussed

    Didn't want to detract from the conversation of the Krampus/Knard/Rabbit Hole. These pics were posted there by jncarpenter and BoogieMang

    4.8 Surly Lou


    4.8 Surly Bud


    I want them both.

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    Ha!

    We both posted pretty much the same thread at the exact same time! I'll redirect here since you have pics.


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    we knew they were due, but what are the due dates for release, fingers crossed its soon!
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    I really hope someone finds out the weights, costs and ETAs!!!

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    rumours are early winter for the new surly bike so wonder if its the same with these?
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    Wish fat tires would come down in price before more are released........

    Either way, nice to have options
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    Wohoo, new tyres, the "bud" could be a goer here with the tight fast center knobs for hardpack and the spaced side for grip in loose corners.

    Was holding out for a BFN (big fat nate)
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    Just want a studded one too
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    It might just be camera angle...

    ...but is the front tire more upright whereas the rear is spread out? Would make since if that was the case, rear drives, front steers!

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    I’m just looking forward to the ride reports on the tires. I ride my 9:zero:7 on technical and non-technical stuff on singletrack as well as fireroads. I am looking for a front tire with just a tad more predictability. Hoping something positive will come from these new developments.
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    looks like front & rear specific moonlander versions of the Nate genre. you could do some serious destruction with those!

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    did 45north announce anything new? I was hoping for an additional fat tire (perhaps the studded one they teased at Frostbike) beyond the Surly stuff.

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    We're all going to get much fitter pushing those monsters around.
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    The wife was already shocked seeing the HuskerDu's mounted on the rims ... I wonder what she will think of these and the Knard

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    The nates on my moonlander, proved themselves as a very useful and do anything tire, especially on sticky ground and boggy terrain.

    They worked well on rocks and loose stone trails, both climbing and gave you confidence on the descents too.

    Also liked the way they self cleaned themselves.

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    I think 45Nrth said they were releasing something else soon. Surprised they didn't show it with their Q brothers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volsung View Post
    I think 45Nrth said they were releasing something else soon. Surprised they didn't show it with their Q brothers.
    I was told to expect more information from then in august.


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    There's an on-line radio interview of the 45N founder, he confirmed a studded fat tire is coming this fall, November time frame. AFAIK, it's a 3.8" width.
    Last edited by pursuiter; 07-23-2012 at 07:02 AM.

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    I'm still hoping they will come out with an even bigger and if possible blacker Floyd.
    Or maybe a 29x3 semi slick, that would be nice as well.

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    Any ideas when the new surly rubber is due for release folks ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    We're all going to get much fitter pushing those monsters around.
    +1 - I just pulled the Nates off my Pugs for the summer and was shocked by how much they weigh.

    The Pugs rolls like a race car now with Larry/Endos on it!
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    45NRTH's new tire. Details to be released Aug. 22

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    Can't wait for the studded 45N. I like knowing that I'll have the traction I need without needing to change tires/wheelsets based on the forecast for the day, which is never right anyway. These will be particualrly helpful in the early winter and spring breakup here in Anchorage.

    I can also see where these will be awesome for doing glacier and river rides - This winter is looking like it is going to be amazing.

    Anyone have ideas on prices?

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    Under 1000 grams, under $100 bucks. That's what I want.

    Starting to wonder how hard it would be to just make my own tubulars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    +1 - I just pulled the Nates off my Pugs for the summer and was shocked by how much they weigh.

    The Pugs rolls like a race car now with Larry/Endos on it!
    I just did the same about a month ago. It's also surprising how much fatter the Nates were, definitely noticed the tires were narrower when I put the wheels back on. This is on LMs.


    Those Lous look sweet. Want.

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    Being a big fan of Abbott & Costello I like the Bud and Lou.
    But Surly missed it this time. They had the perfect opportunity for an Ike & Tina. Because... (Wait for it....) Big wheels keep on rollin'...
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckfiddious View Post
    Under 1000 grams, under $100 bucks. That's what I want.

    Starting to wonder how hard it would be to just make my own tubulars.

    I'm sure if you cut the tread blocks off on a HuDu UL you'd get to 1000grams. Seriously, I dont know how you go lighter then 1200grams with out eliminating tread block and making a tire more slick. Maybe they'll make a UL Black Floyd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrateKraig View Post
    They had the perfect opportunity for an Ike & Tina. Because... (Wait for it....) Big wheels keep on turning'...
    FIFY.
    But you are right with Surly missing this oppurtunity.

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    Smile

    i just cant wait to see mikesee's *next* moots that will swallow the Lou and Bud...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AC/BC View Post
    I'm sure if you cut the tread blocks off on a HuDu UL you'd get to 1000grams. Seriously, I dont know how you go lighter then 1200grams with out eliminating tread block and making a tire more slick. Maybe they'll make a UL Black Floyd.
    C'mon, there's always a way... but if there isn't a way to make 'em lighter, make 'em cheaper.

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    Screw 45NRTH. First they tease us with the original HuDu's, light, reasonably priced, fast rolling, which nobody can get anymore it seems, and then they release a lighter version that is $150 They are like a heroine cartel entering a new market.

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    I want a Lou for the front of my 907
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    Any idea what the beads say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by damnitman View Post
    Any idea what the beads say?
    don't wreck the surprise
    that is my favorite part of getting new surly gear

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    Screw 45NRTH. They are like a heroine cartel entering a new market.
    A cartel of brave ladies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by damnitman View Post
    Any idea what the beads say?
    The last photo looks like it says...

    "MADE IN CHINA"

    Hope I helped you out!

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    stud options

    the bud, lou, and nate seem like they would hold studs quite well. I did an interview with Colin from Grip Studs today:
    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/mountai...tt--grip-studs

    It seems that they have a great option to customize the studs you'd roll on. I know that's not on people's minds so much right now in the summer, but once the cold and ice rolls around, it will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pursuiter View Post
    There's an on-line radio interview of the 45N founder, he confirmed a studded fat tire is coming this fall, November time frame. AFAIK, it's a 3.8" width.
    Here's the link: David Gabrys of 45NRTH 06/22 by Mountain Bike Radio | Blog Talk Radio

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    From 45Nrth twitter:
    This is the week! Very exciting information will be released to the wölves Wednesday morning of this week! Stay tuned!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    This is the week! Very exciting information will be released to the wölves Wednesday morning of this week! Stay tuned!
    What do you's reckon it is ? 4.8 HuDu ?
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    What do you suppose the umlat on the O in wolves signifies? A hint? A clue? Wolves have claws. Studded tires have "claws", conti, a german company makes (made?) studded. Nokian still does. German words have umlats. Motley Crue had umlats. And ferraries. And model girlfriends.

    WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?!?

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    HüskerDü had them too...

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    Good point. (Deflated...Thought I was onto the next big conspiracy )

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    Does anyone else read "BUN" instead of "BUD"? That is seriously going to effect the performance of the tire.... I hate to say it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blockphi View Post
    What do you suppose the umlat on the O in wolves signifies? A hint? A clue? Wolves have claws. Studded tires have "claws", conti, a german company makes (made?) studded. Nokian still does. German words have umlats. Motley Crue had umlats. And ferraries. And model girlfriends.

    WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?!?
    From the 45NRTH Facebook page:

    "In conjunction with tomorrow's exciting product launch, 45North Brand Manager, David Gabrys will be speaking about this ground-breaking product live on Mountain Bike Radio at 6pm central time (USA) on Thursday (Aug 16). Listen and call in w
    ith your questions at 646-595-4113. You will not want to miss this!

    Follow the link below to the live broadcast.

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    45NRTH - David Gabrys"

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    Blog | Surly Bikes

    oh yes....

    $170 each but who cares....122mm on a clown shoe!
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    All of these measurements are at 15psi

    BUD TIRE

    Clown Shoe Rim
    Max Width (mm) = 122
    Max Tire Dia (mm) = 2395

    Rolling Darryl Rim
    Max Width (mm) = 112
    Max Tire Dia (mm) = 2382

    Marge Lite Rim
    Max Width (mm) = 113
    Max Tire Dia (mm) = 2391

    LOU TIRE

    Clown Shoe Rim
    Max Width (mm) = 121
    Max Tire Dia (mm) = 2381

    Rolling Darryl Rim
    Max Width (mm) = 117
    Max Tire Dia (mm) = 2391

    Marge Lite Rim
    Max Width (mm) = 114
    Max Tire Dia (mm) = 2381


    Interesting... 2 observations on the BUD:

    less than a half inch width difference between the Clown Shoe and the Rolling Darryl...

    and the BUD is wider on the Large Marge (65mm) than the Rolling Darryl (82mm)

    Either way, I think this is a good addition between the Nate and the Big Fat Larry for those doing some serious offroad work. I think the next tire they need to make is a wider version Black Floyd and call it Fat Albert!!!

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    I need a pair!! BFL's soon to be up for sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjduct View Post
    Interesting... 2 observations on the BUD:

    less than a half inch width difference between the Clown Shoe and the Rolling Darryl...

    and the BUD is wider on the Large Marge (65mm) than the Rolling Darryl (82mm)
    That"s what makes me wonder if there's an error somewhere. The Darryl measurements don't make sense, why are they so different when the CL and ML measurements are consistent?

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    I think those numbers got fat fingered and are switched around.
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    I'm betting the BUD is 118 on the RD. Wider rims do give additional volume and width. Volume is good esp for lower pressure.

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    or their QC is that far off where each tie can have 5mm play from one to the next, lord knows they can all weight +/- 150 grams depending on which tire you pick up.

    While some go for the lightest, I have a feeling others will start buying the heaviest for one millimeter extra girth!

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    Surly update the tyre info on their blog:

    I can't format this but they fixed the discrepancies and added much more info:
    The following is an emergency update brought to you by our FnG Andy S. He likes to keep me on my toes.

    Casing Type Weight Rim Width Overall Diameter Knob Shoulder Width Max Casing Width Radius @ Knob Shoulder Width Radius @ Max Casing Width

    BUD 27tpi xxx 100 762 118 119 351 330
    82 762 116 113 351 336
    65 762 112 105 348 338
    LOU 27tpi xxx 100 759 119 121 353 325
    82 759 116 111 350 326
    65 759 112 104 346 328

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    Info is still a little sketchy but they only show 27tpi Bud and Lou, no weight given The 27tpi Nate is listed at 1.6kg.

    Will the Bud and Lou weight ~1.6kg, only come in 27tpi and cost $170 each?
    Last edited by pursuiter; 08-15-2012 at 05:59 PM.

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    Too heavy. I am holding out for the 45N studded husker du.

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    Anyone know if Dillingers are going to use the narrower casing that HDs and other 3.7 tires use or will they be a true 4.0? I don't know if i want to put such a skinny tire on a clownshoe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volsung View Post
    Anyone know if Dillingers are going to use the narrower casing that HDs and other 3.7 tires use or will they be a true 4.0? I don't know if i want to put such a skinny tire on a clownshoe
    I don't know but I'll find out soon. I just purchase a clown shoe and will be putting on a dillinger as soon as I can get my hands on it.

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    Surly Bud or Lou:
    27tpi VS 120tpi, Fight!

    Anyone know the weights of the 27tpi ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kos F View Post
    Surly Bud or Lou:
    27tpi VS 120tpi, Fight!

    Anyone know the weights of the 27tpi ?
    Weird... I didn't even know they had Bud/Lou in 27tpi. I would guess the same differences as other 27/120 tires. My 120's are super suppleishous. I would bet the 27's would be nice for in summer... but personally I'm throwing BFL's on for the dirt.

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