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    Isn't that the guy/group that pretty much see Ontario as the center of the world, and racing as the only kind of riding that's done?

    He was on this forum for awhile but his narrowmindedness WRT the way the rest of the world is meant he didn't last long.

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    Jeebus make a video. Fat bikes have no time for your fancy words.
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    It is kinda messy as far as reviews/tests go.

    I can think of better groups to do the testing, but they got it mostly right.

    They chose an EXT, WTF?

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    Rough crowd tonight lol.

    We should be happy we have more choices than an SC32.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Isn't that the guy/group that pretty much see Ontario as the center of the world, and racing as the only kind of riding that's done?

    He was on this forum for awhile but his narrowmindedness WRT the way the rest of the world is meant he didn't last long.
    Yes and runs a mickey mouse shop out of a commercial unit in an industrial park where the cheapest model is like $2500. Also tries to pour crappola on buyers who would dare make do without spending his prices, or were capable of thinking about bikes for themselves and might possibly know shit tons more than he does. He responded to some of my posts about the Costco Northrock on the Ontario Fat Bike Trader group on facebook with the similar sort of stupidity he was well known for here.

    In the case of this test...the only fork models tested are ones he sells aftermarket. And the test rider pool are his small bunch of customerployees.
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    A very long winded way to state the glaringly obvious

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    Quote Originally Posted by MozFat View Post
    A very long winded way to state the glaringly obvious
    CliffsNotes?
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    Mastodon is best. I just skimmed to the end. Nice looking comparison.

    Spiteful responses here flummox.

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    Would have been curious to read about comparaison with Lauf/Lefty......
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    Quote Originally Posted by fokof View Post
    Would have been curious to read about comparaison with Lauf/Lefty......
    There are a lot of reviews out there for both.
    Lauf - light, expensive, no rebound or compression adjustment. Limited travel. no maintenance.
    Lefty - Pretty kick ass. People say they look weird so not a lot of folks willing to try one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    Rough crowd tonight lol.

    We should be happy we have more choices than an SC32.

    Don't think anyone would disagree with you there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traktor View Post
    Spiteful responses here flummox.
    Guy has a history here. He's an idiot and an ass. Not much more to say beyond that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    Guy has a history here. He's an idiot and an ass. Not much more to say beyond that.
    I would share with the group what he posted in my first info blurb I put in a fb group about the Costco fat option in January but he started swearing up a storm and the admins deleted the whole thing. Essentially his arguments for why a made by giant bicycles fat bike sold at costco was bad amounted to "just because I said so".
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    tl;dr but holy cow that guy goes crazy on the bold lettering. It's like a 9 year old wrote it. It's on par with center alignment.
    You change your own flats? Support your LBS and pay them to instead.

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    Welcome to the department of redundancy department.

    And I thought I had a mild tendency towards the verbose.

    I couldn't even finish, but that's okay, the dude stroked his words enough, he finished himself.....
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    Another Recent Mastodon Vs Bluto Comparison

    I didn't see this recent comparison posted here yet so I figured I'd add it to the mix:https://www.bikeradar.com/us/mtb/gea...astodon-51741/

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    Im not entirely sure how either of these reviews provide any beneficial information. A couple bloggers comparing forks after a few rides vs a bunch of consumers/prosumers with hundreds (thousands?) of hours riding, tweaking, abusing.

    If you dont know the difference by now, youre spending too much time reading Outside magazine

    Quote Originally Posted by rvercoe View Post
    I didn't see this recent comparison posted here yet so I figured I'd add it to the mix:https://www.bikeradar.com/us/mtb/gea...astodon-51741/

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    Sort of off topic but does anyone have any experience with the full carbon suspension fork from angelcycles? it looks like a bluto copy but much lighter. i dont have big hits of any kind on my trails and this looks like a cool option. curious about functionality though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefflinde View Post
    Sort of off topic but does anyone have any experience with the full carbon suspension fork from angelcycles? it looks like a bluto copy but much lighter. i dont have big hits of any kind on my trails and this looks like a cool option. curious about functionality though
    The website says 6 pounds, well if this is the fork you speak of. https://lunacycle.com/luna-lander-fat-suspension-fork/

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    Just under 3#, who knows what the fork is made of ... what damper? Might be a noodle.

    Buy one and let us know

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    I've got one of these coming soon, looks like thei copied the ABS damper from Manitou going from the dials (or are sourcing from the same part bins). Air spring, open 135mm dropout with post mount and appears to be alloy stanchions.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Beach-Snow-...72.m2749.l2649

    I am going to put it on my 2011 Mukluk come spring time and test it out. We're still snow here currently though so the Carver beast'carbon stays in place. I actually got it at the original listed price, $60USD as did someone else before the seller raised the price. Still, if it comes out anywhere close to RST Renegade weight it could be a useful option for folks stuck with straight steerer tubes because of their frames.

    Oh that reminds me about that idiot at fatbikeca's fork test requirements... MOST places where fat biking has taken off, also groom trails, and thus there's no need for maximum size tires. And the majority of people buying fats aren't backwoods camping/bushwacking with them either...and again don't need the addiitional floatation of the largest tire widths. I'm 210 Ibs with pack and actual tire width of 4.2 inches does me just fine at all the spots I ride here in Canada's capital region (where we now have a couple hundred kms of well packed fat trail options).
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    A rigid fork is better than a sh*tty suspension fork.
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    The ebay fork arrived, 2,296 grams which given it cost me $60USD + $40USD for the EMS shipping which took 1 week from china... is damned reasonable of a weight. 8-position damper adjustment from full open to full lockout and the stanchions ARE alloy. Maximum tire clearance between the legs measures out at 120mm...so...NOT for a Snowshoe XL or 2XL on a 100mm rim, but my bulldozer on 82mm rim will work fine.
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    To each their own, but I'm amazed by the number of people willing to put their teeth, eye sockets, and necks on the line with cheap forks/bars/stems shite from Ebay or Alibaba (especially carbon stuff). There are places to save money...and then there aren't. History often speaks for itself on the results of using this stuff. But it ain't my neck, so I say good luck and let us know how it is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadgerOne View Post
    To each their own, but I'm amazed by the number of people willing to put their teeth, eye sockets, and necks on the line with cheap forks/bars/stems shite from Ebay or Alibaba (especially carbon stuff). There are places to save money...and then there aren't. History often speaks for itself on the results of using this stuff. But it ain't my neck, so I say good luck and let us know how it is!
    Since the US companies source many products from the same factories you are rolling the dice with a lot of stuff we buy. (How many carbon fork recalls have we seen over the last 20 years).

    US carbon is beyond my budget but you are right, my $20 Asiacom 160gram bars were made out of tissue paper and a bad idea even for a light duty XC bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight View Post
    The ebay fork arrived, 2,296 grams which given it cost me $60USD + $40USD for the EMS shipping which took 1 week from china... is damned reasonable of a weight. 8-position damper adjustment from full open to full lockout and the stanchions ARE alloy. Maximum tire clearance between the legs measures out at 120mm...so...NOT for a Snowshoe XL or 2XL on a 100mm rim, but my bulldozer on 82mm rim will work fine.
    You have any miles on it? My buddy has a Renegade and likes it.

    I have had a couple of Blutos to play around on and would not mind having suspension for summer riding. Skeptical about any fork without a TA but I rode Mag 21's and Manitou QR forks for 15 years. This would not require a new wheel at which point I would just buy a new bike with a Mastadon on it.
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    No its still full winter here in Ottawa. We just got another six inches of snow today. I'm going to test it when its full mud spring time, since I don't need anything more than the carver beast carbon until then.
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    To followup to this thread I forgot about, the ebay fork didn't have enough steerer tube to fit my Mukluk so it hasn't been tested yet. My On One runs a tapered steerer carbon fork, the RSD i just assembled is tapered carbon with 15x150 thru-axle, but the next fat I am building will likely be running a straight steerer frame so maybe it'll go in there to at least see how the performance/seals are in cold weather.

    As to the original topic of the thread, the guy from ridefatbikes sent me a long whiny message on fb after I made the mistake of answering someone's question about who makes the Inner bar ends (SQLabs) fitted to a bike he posted in the Fat Bike Trader Ontario FB page....

    Wed 9:38 PM
    HI there,

    Happy Holidays,

    A request for you Kristan,

    Would it be possible for you to remove your negative comments about our company (RideFATbikes.ca), that you posted on MTBR? Your comments were not well received and were false about our location and setup. By all means leave your comments about the Costco fat bikes and such if you feel the need.. its basically one opinion vs someone else's... I do see your point in trying to steer people towards the best fat bike for the price point when its under $1000. My point was always that you have very little room to upgrade with some of those bikes...

    your points about moose bikes were good to point out. i know a lot about that company, and they do mislead customers as you indicated. I really don't like how they posture themselves at being a Canadian company, but just import direct from China, on moulds they took from either 907 or Norco or derivatives from Kinesis. They also misrepresent geometries, such as the chainstay length... their stack and reach information does not match the frames.

    ...back to that MTBR post - that thread was about suspension forks on MTBR, and you went off about Costco bikes, then slammed my company with erroneous information about our physical setup - and its not cool to slander like that. Not sure what that was all about...?

    The only time I slammed anyone on MTBR was when Thule released a "fat bike specific" bike rack and they sent us one to test out and it could NOT hold two suspension equipped fat bikes, and I gave their engineers the info to change it..which they did about a year later... but during that time, a lot of Thule owners got upset with data I released about their bike racks, and at THAT time, showed how the 1UP rack was superior... for transporting FAT BIKES in 2's or 3's... and again, that pissed off a lot of Thule owners. Even at Interbike last year... they had that same Thule "fat bike" specific rack... with just ONE fat bike on it.. and I said... add a second fat bike to the rack and let's see how it fits... and they said "we can't do that". People do get pissed when you point out the truth. for that reason, we backed off MTBR because people tend to attack each other there, or provoke attacks.

    That said, thanks for your comment tonight on the Fat Bikes FB forum where someone asked about the type of bar end used on the build we posted. I was out all afternoon and evening shipping bikes to the airport, and its appreciated when you can assist on things like that...

    but please understand, if you slam my company and make things up (like you did on MTBR), that is not well received, and I think you can understand that. I have a competitor that tends to do that often, and its frustrating. * Best we all work together and get more people interested in the sport of Fat Biking *.

    I hope you have a good holiday season, and have better riding conditions in Ottawa then we have in Burlington (no snow here). cheers! Pete.
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    Lol, if he has a problem with what someone said today or 9mo ago, he should report the posts in question.

    You can do exactly as much about that old post as he can.

    And damn, can he yap.

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    My signature is there for a reason... and nothing I said wasn't factual, or what anyone else said before me.

    This is his store's address...

    5063 North Service Road Suite 200 Burlington, Ontario L7L 5H6

    This is its google map view...

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/On...7!4d-79.770008

    That's clearly an commercial space in an industrial/business park its located in.

    If you use this street view....

    https://www.google.com/maps/@43.3846...7i16384!8i8192

    notice how the entrance you can see matches the one on their contact page photo as the customer pickup and shipping location...

    https://www.ridefatbikes.ca/contact-us/#contact

    Moose bikes operates similarly... they have an "office" address in downtown montreal near the bell center that essentially is a cubicle and a mailbox. Moose however at least offers options below two grand.

    Oh also on their contact page...

    OCATIONS FOR CUSTOM BUILD MEETINGS

    ** Please call ahead to arrange your client custom build appointment. **
    Hamilton

    We have two office locations to choose from for build meetings:

    HAMILTON - 403 and Aberdeen Avenue exit, near McMaster University
    OAKVILLE - QEW and Burloak Road exit, near Bronte Provincial Park.

    During this appointment we will cover :

    Pricing
    Build Specifications
    Customization of Parts
    Frame and Component Sizing
    Rider Fitment (through Stack and Reach analysis)

    Oakville

    In addition, you will have access to our showroom products, and able to test our demo show bikes at this time.

    ORDERS ARE PLACED during this meeting directly with the Manufacturers, so please bring payment with you.

    (*Coffee, Tea, bottled water, projection screens, boardroom seating, and free Wi-Fi are provided)

    So... not an actual bicycle shop... more a catalog ordering business in the style that Sears / Consumers Distributing used to operate like, and a lot of car dealerships still offer the option to do... you go to a showroom, look at some catalogs, see some demo models, pick out options on a build sheet, plunk down money and then your bike gets ordered and then they do the "dealer prep / final assembly".

    Their CHEAPEST fat bike is the Fatback Rhino FLT...

    https://www.ridefatbikes.ca/fatback-rhino-flt

    Which with an NX Eagle 12 speed and an alloy rigid fork is $2700 CDN.

    PRICING

    Prices updated 1 NOV 2018

    Exchange rate : $1 USD = $1.35 CDN
    FRAMESETS

    w/Stock Alloy fork = 1299 USD = $1749 CDN

    w/Fatback Carbon cargo fork = 1500 USD = $2025 CDN

    w/Mastodon COMP fork = 1699 USD = $2290 CDN

    COMPLETE BUILDS (12spd)

    Rhino FLT NX1 EAGLE :

    RIGID (alloy fork) = 1999 USD = $2698 CDN

    RIGID (carbon fork) = 2209 USD = $2982 CDN

    COMP 100 SUSPENSION = 2434 USD = $3286 CDN

    PRO 100 SUSPENSION = 2574 USD = $3475 CDN

    Rhino FLT GX1 EAGLE :

    RIGID (alloy fork) = 2699 USD = $3644 CDN

    XMAS SPECIAL : ** FREE UPGRADE from RIGID ALLOY to FATBACK CARBON FORK **

    RIGID (carbon fork) - 2909 USD = $3927 CDN

    COMP 100 SUSPENSION = 3134 USD = 4230 CDN

    PRO 100 SUSPENSION = 3274 USD = 4420 CDN

    COMPLETE RHINO FLT BUILDS from 25+ LBS

    Check out our Instagram account for custom work examples
    UPGRADES
    SUSPENSION

    FREE UPGRADE ($250-300 CDN Value) from Rigid Alloy to the Fatback Carbon cargo fork, on the GX EAGLE Build kit.

    WHEELSETS

    STANDARD WHEELSET : FATBACK BIG SU 26 x81mm Lightweight Alloy Tubeless-Ready wheelset, with SCHWALBE Jumbo Jim Addix compound tires in either 26 x 4.0/4.8 width, and FATBACK Alaska Edition hubs.

    PLUS+ OPTION WHEELSET : (no charge) STANS BARON S1 27.5 x 38mm alloy wheelset with SCHWALBE Rocket Ron 27.5 x 3.0 EVO Snakeskin tires, and FATBACK Alaska Edition hubs.

    Custom built Carbon 27.5+ and 29er wheelsets are available in various widths, by DIRT COMPONENTS, using DT SWISS, INDUSTRY NINE or ONYX hubs.

    CARBON 4-SEASON WHEELSET UPGRADES are available by FATBACK or DIRT COMPONENTS

    TIRE UPGRADES

    ALL-SEASON : MAXXIS MINION FBF/FBR EXO TR tires are available in 26 x 4.0/4.8 sizes, when you need to take on the worst offroad terrain, with increased flat and sidewall protection.

    27.5 / 29er : MAXXIS CHRONICLE EXO TR 27.5 x 3.8 or 29 x 3.0 are available for PLUS+ and MIN FAT sizing.

    STUDDED TIRES : We will be offering the MAXXIS MOOSETRAK studded tire as a winter upgrade option, as soon as it becomes available.

    TUBELESS TIRE CONVERSION

    Orange Seal Rim Tape, VersaValves, Sealant and Tubeless Tire mounting and installation on new rims = $125 upcharge

    CARBON BAR AND POST UPGRADE

    Alloy to Fatback Carbon 760 handlebar upgrade = $159 CDN

    Alloy to Fatback Carbon Seatpost upgrade = $85 CDN

    CARBON CRANKSETS

    Low "Q" factor options by :

    RACEFACE NEXT R Carbon

    SRAM STYLO DUB Carbon

    DROPPER POSTS

    internal routing

    options by : 9point8, DVO, FOX, RaceFace, PNW

    BIKEPACKING

    Fatback LCG Rear Cargo rack = $68 CDN

    Fatback Pogies = $139 CDN

    Revelate Designs custom Frame Bags = call to order

    SPECIFICATIONS

    REAR DROPOUT SPACING: 197x12mm TA Through Axle

    DROPPER POST ROUTING: Yes, Internal and external routing

    FORK COMPATIBILITY: 150x15 TA Suspension Optimized for 470mm axle to crown length for rigid carbon, or 100mm Mastodon and Wren Suspension forks

    MAX TIRE SIZE: 5.0"

    AVAILABLE TIRE OPTIONS: 26 x 100mm rims up to 5in FAT, 27.5 x 3.8in PLUS, and 29er x 3.25" PLUS 150/197 hub spacing, TA

    REAR RACK MOUNTS: Yes

    DRIVETRAIN: Optimized for 1x 11 or 12 speed drivetrains

    CHAIN RING CLEARANCE: 34T(round ring) or 32T Oval

    HEADSET: ZS - 44mm upper/56mm lower

    BOTTOM BRACKET: 100mm BSA Threaded

    SEAT COLLAR 34.9mm

    SEATPOST: 31.6mm

    AVAILABLE SIZES

    14, 16, 18, 20 and 22in Lightweight Alloy frames

    AVAILABLE COLOURS

    BLACK / BLUE / WHITE

    ORANGE / BLUE / WHITE

    ALEUTIAN GREEN / YELLOW / WHITE

    GLACIER BLUE / SILVER / WHITE
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    There's 5 minutes I will never get back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCheesehead View Post
    There's 5 minutes I will never get back.
    wow, you read faster than i do... :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    wow, you read faster than i do... :P
    I gave up reading all the cut and paste bike specs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight View Post
    My signature is there for a reason... and nothing I said wasn't factual, or what anyone else said before me.
    You could have stopped there...actually you could have not posted what the guy sent to you personally. I am pretty sure no one really cares.

    Hearing that a $60 suspension fork has a short, straight steerer, 135mm spacing and QR dropouts may have been useful info to some. The rest, not so much.

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