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    Surly Wednesday Wheel Replacement

    So with some neglect, the axle on my Surly Wednesday seized up on me and basically wrecked my rear hub and axle. That means I need to, at the very least, replace my rear hub, but with the labor costs associated with lacing up a new hub to my stock "My Other Brother Darryl" I might be better off buying a complete wheel.

    If this was your dilemma, what would you do? Replace the rear hub with something special? Pick up a complete alternative like the Sun Ringle Mulefut? This will primarily be for winter snow riding, as I have a mountain bike for trail rides. Let me know what you think!

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    I literally have had 10 different wheelsets on my wed...

    The stock hub is junk. Get a DT swiss hubbed replacement, and never look back... Well, at least do some maintenance this time... :P

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    If your rim is in good shape, truly, I'd reuse it. It's 100+ grams lighter than the MuleFut, and more than 100 bucks new.

    Save your rim $, and spend it on a better hub, one worthy of rebuilding a few wheels around, in the ensuing years.

    Rim is beat to hell, that's a different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    If your rim is in good shape, truly, I'd reuse it. It's 100+ grams lighter than the MuleFut, and more than 100 bucks new.

    Save your rim $, and spend it on a better hub, one worthy of rebuilding a few wheels around, in the ensuing years.

    Rim is beat to hell, that's a different story.
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    Yep. My Other Brother Darryl is hard to beat.
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    Keep the rim, it's a good rim. Buy a good rear hub, get it re-laced, get back out there. Hope hub for some affordable Bling, DT 350 for simple and reliable.
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    Between the DT 350 and the Hope, which is better? Why?

    Hope 177 Shimano 6 Bolt:
    44t Engagement with 4 pawls
    367g
    $290

    DT SWISS 350 Big Ride 177 Shimano 6 Bolt:
    18t Engagement with Star Ratchet (Upgradeable to 54 for $100)
    300g
    $321.60

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    Well, if you're interested in the DT with the higher engagement upgrade you can get more for less.

    Hadley makes a fatbike rear hub for less $, higher engagement, made in USA. Titanium freehub, good bearings, etc.

    Only drawback to the Hope hub is noise. If you don't mind a loud hub it's the best bang for the buck with good engagement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rusheleven View Post
    Between the DT 350 and the Hope, which is better?
    You'll get plenty of opinions on this, I have had both Hope and DT hubs and so far the DT is in the lead for me.

    Hope is a good hub when working, unfortunately their bearings are now of poorer quality and may need a rebuild after not too long, the freehub bearings seem to eat themselves either due to a bit of axle flex of poorly sized bearing seats. A rebuild is simple, but you need a couple of the bearing press tools to make it easier. Finally, the one terminal thing that does happen to hope is the hub shell cracks on the spoke flange. The warranty support is good but quality products shouldn't need a warranty replacement.

    I built up a set of wheels with a DT Swiss rear last year, and whilst I haven't put 1000's of miles on them, the DT Swiss rear has been bombproof so far. I also was pleasantly surprised that I really don't notice the 18 P.O.E. and if it becomes an issue I can upgrade to a 36t or 54t ratchet system. The DT Swiss Bearings are buttery smooth still and I am sure they will continue to be for many more miles to come, I dont think I have read a single storey of a hub failing as of yet?

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    I like Hopes. I just go in knowing I need better bearings sooner than later.

    I also like Bike Hub Store. They come with Enduro bearings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rusheleven View Post
    Between the DT 350 and the Hope, which is better? Why?

    Hope 177 Shimano 6 Bolt:
    44t Engagement with 4 pawls
    367g
    $290

    DT SWISS 350 Big Ride 177 Shimano 6 Bolt:
    18t Engagement with Star Ratchet (Upgradeable to 54 for $100)
    300g
    $321.60
    When it comes to pawls vs. DT's ratchet system, I'll take the DT every time.

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    You can get DT Swiss hubs from R2 bikes for 150Ä.

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    I recently looked at similar options and ended up with bitex hubs. they are just a tiny bit cheaper than DT Swiss, but have 54 PoE and are dead easy to maintain (unlike the special tool requiring DT).

    Going to 54 PoE will set you back $90 or so with DT Swiss. I also read that their excellent reliability only applies to the 18 PoE, not the 54 PoE. but this is just internet knowledge, not firsthand.

    Hope is more expensive than DT, and seems easy to maintain. but they seem to have cheap bearings. Or the fact that they come with stainless bearings, which are softer. So i didn't think spending more money for worse bearings would be good.

    So far I'm happy with the Bitex. Bikehubstore sells them as unbranded.
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    I build lots of wheels with BHS hubs. People love em. I'm ordering up a set of the new Boost Centerlocks in either green or orange for myself.
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    A)did everyone else break the pawl springs in their rear hub? (I have the OG wed, andamniw on my 3rd rear hub internals b)lots of talk of reusing rims. I thought you couldn't do that?

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    Yes you should reuse your rim but you will probably need new spokes and nipples. Replace the hub with something more reliable. DT 350 or Hope gets my vote (unless you want to spend more).
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    Assuming good conditions how many times can you reuse a rim? PS this idea is blowing my mind and making wheel "replacement" way more attainable

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    I've re-laced the same rim 3 times but there's no limit really. If you build the wheel with a quality hub the hub will last much longer than the rim. An aluminum bicycle rim on a mountain bike is technically a consumable wear item and needs replacement once it gets beat up enough.

    A good hub can last a very long time.
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    Sweet. So now I need to decide DT or hope. I do love the hope ratchet sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shkenblke View Post
    Sweet. So now I need to decide DT or hope. I do love the hope ratchet sound.
    i have (5) 150/177 wheelsets, and (2) 150/177 bikes.i went with DT Swiss big ride on all my wheelsets, so i only had to have one cassette for each bike. with the DT rear hub, you can pop the cassette/driver off and install it on the other wheelset in seconds. brilliant, yet durable design. #awesome
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    My rear hub is making clicking noises when coasting. It's really annoying. I had my bike shop work on it last year but the noise has returned. How much I'm I looking at to have the hub replaced with a 350? I know the hub runs about $300 but I have no idea of the labor. I would say my local bike shop has never replaced a fat bike hub. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim_Ky View Post
    My rear hub is making clicking noises when coasting. It's really annoying. I had my bike shop work on it last year but the noise has returned. How much I'm I looking at to have the hub replaced with a 350? I know the hub runs about $300 but I have no idea of the labor. I would say my local bike shop has never replaced a fat bike hub. Thanks
    Hub- $250-300
    Spokes- $1.50x32
    Labor- $75 ish
    Small parts- $8-25
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    If they have someone there that can build wheels then they can swap a fat hub. No difference.
    Most likely, the spokes can be reused. I'd at least use new nipples.
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    Thanks for the advice. Itís in the shop getting a DT big ride hub installed. They forgot to buy rim tape or it would be finished. Told them to go ahead and order a Surly tubeless kit for my Wednesday. The rear hasnít been great since Iíve owned it.

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    I think that kit comes with Super P-Nuts for the valvestems. They work awesome.
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