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    Summer shoes for the Blackborrow

    Hi,

    Perfect winter conditions right now, but never to early to think ahead of summer.

    What to do with the (Bluto'ed) Blackborrow come summer time?

    Keep the (not used in winter) JumboJim 4.8 for summer? Seems like a nice light summer tire, but the clowshoes are definitely overkill on dry trails.

    If switching to a different wheel set then maybe I should just sell the Jumbo's and get a 29x3" wheel and tire set.

    What are your thought's or experiences with summer trail wheels?

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    I didn't have money for a second wheelset this year so I was lucky to find 2 JJ 4.8 (my blackborow came with 2 Lou) and set them tubeless on my clownshoes. It was really easy. I really liked them for summer use. More than a pound lighter than my Lous. Actually, they are still on my bike cause we don't have a lot of snowfall this winter. For snowshoes packed trail, they have been flawless at 3-5 psi.

    If I buy a second wheelset it will either be a 90mm carbon do it all (nextie or LB) and sell the clownshoes, or a 65 carbon wheelset for summer use/studded-tire for icy condition so I would keep the stock wheelset for snow condition...
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    I don't have a BB but my 907 has Clownshoes. I love Bud and Lou for snow. I switched to a 4.8 Knard on the rear for all non snow riding.
    I ride with the Clownshoes year round also but I've finally built up 29+ wheels for summer.
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    Id look at the Maxxis Minion 4.8 FBR/FBF combo. I have a Ventana El Gordo (very similar to Blackborrow) with Nextie 90s and I use Bud/Lou with gripstuds in the winter, but thats what Id get if I were looking for a non-snow tire. That said, I also have 29+ wheelset for my El Gordo, so I dont really need a summer fatty option. Last year I had a set of Big Fat Larrys that I put on in the summer from time to time when I got bored, but I sold them.

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    Following this with interest, as I don't really want to drop a grand (or more) on a new wheelset for my BB, just for summer use. I'd be particularly interested in a good dirt tire that is narrower than 4.8" but still has adequate shoulder to protect the rim.
    "The only way we can truly control the outcome of a ride is not going on it, which is a choice I'm unwilling to make." -K.B.

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    Very interested in this as well. I have JJ 4.8 on right now but I'm too new to the fat/mountain biking scene to know if there are better summer options. I'd hate to have to buy a new wheelset for the summer but don't want to have a heart attack pedaling the thing either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smithhammer View Post
    Following this with interest, as I don't really want to drop a grand (or more) on a new wheelset for my BB, just for summer use. I'd be particularly interested in a good dirt tire that is narrower than 4.8" but still has adequate shoulder to protect the rim.

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    I ran a set of 4.8 knards tubeless on my clown shoes and was happy with them this summer till I bought my Jones bike and then road it a majority of the summer till the snow flew.

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    I ran a set of Kenda Juggernaut 4.5 tires on my Blackborow (and it's 100 Clownshoes) this past summer. Made a big difference as far as rolling resistance yet was very good on hardpack/rocks/ruts/mild mud.

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    That's interesting that a good portion of us are running 4.8 Jumbo Jims, as well as me to.
    I'm probably going to pick up a set of Maxxis Mammoth in 4.0 for spring/summer.
    They are close to the same weight as the JJ's but they probably have less rolling resistance. Haven't found a better option yet.

    I was surprised at how well the 4.8 JJ roll with more tire pressure though.

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    I'm tempted, come summer, to just remove the studs from the D5s I currently have mounted and see how they do on dirt. If, and only if, they truly suck will I try something else. Haven't seen a lot of opinion yet about how they do as a summer tire, though.
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    Smith, I run D5 studless for summer and they perform nicely. They roll good, but the only way a tire will roll better is at the expense of traction.
    No complaints, thus far. My bike sets low enough to the ground with 4.8's, so 3.8 has not gone on the radar. After the custom frame gets done with
    a high BB then I'll entertain 3.8's on Marge lites.
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    I've got the 4.8 JJ on Clownshoes also and think I'll invest in a 29+ wheel set for summer.

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    My Lord Dwarf (Blackborow) will get a 29+ as follows:

    - Surly Rabbit Hole
    - Hope Fatsno 4
    - DT Swiss Competition in 2.0/1.8 in nice white color 300mm all around long
    - Sapim Polyax Hexagonal 2.0 in cool frame matching green 14mm long
    - And most probably I will put Surly Knards, with inner tubes, no tubless

    Exactly the same way as the winter wheels...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubberduckxi View Post
    My Lord Dwarf (Blackborow) will get a 29+ as follows:

    - Surly Rabbit Hole
    - Hope Fatsno 4
    - DT Swiss Competition in 2.0/1.8 in nice white color 300mm all around long
    - Sapim Polyax Hexagonal 2.0 in cool frame matching green 14mm long
    - And most probably I will put Surly Knards, with inner tubes, no tubless

    Exactly the same way as the winter wheels...
    I would advise against the Knards for trail riding. For bikepacking/touring/all road riding, Knard works, but they are too flimsy and corner to poorly to be a good trail riding tire.

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    See the 4" vs 5" tire thread.

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    I cannot tell about that, too poor I ride bikes. But I know, that the Knard's are the most 29+ (means the widest available) tires available. That is what counts for me.

    So what's your recommendation for real wide 29er's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambit21 View Post
    See the 4" vs 5" tire thread.

    Sorry for that, but I do not find it. Would you be so kind to post the link?
    I am most probably too stupid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubberduckxi View Post
    I cannot tell about that, too poor I ride bikes. But I know, that the Knard's are the most 29+ (means the widest available) tires available. That is what counts for me.

    So what's your recommendation for real wide 29er's?
    I switched from Knard to Vittoria Bomboloni on 50mm rims. Sure, they are a bit smaller volume, but still fairly large, and I can ride down one of my rocky trails at full speed without a rock cutting the tire. They also have much better cornering traction than a Knard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubberduckxi View Post
    I cannot tell about that, too poor I ride bikes. But I know, that the Knard's are the most 29+ (means the widest available) tires available. That is what counts for me.

    So what's your recommendation for real wide 29er's?
    Maxxis Chronicle?

    I'm considering all options (other than the FBN) for the 29+ wheelset I bought for my Mayor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tjaard View Post
    What are your thought's or experiences with summer trail wheels?
    2XLs and ClownShoes, of course.

    Btw. It's Blackborow, with one r. So many write it wrong.

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