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    Specialized fatty prototype spotted

    I competed in a fat bike race this morning and check out who and what I saw. Mr. Ned Overend with a Specialized fatty prototype.

    I didn't bug him too much as I was spaced out from racing and drinking beer at the time but he did allow me to take some photos and he did speak a bit about it. This is what I know about this particular build.

    - Hydroformed Aluminum
    - BFL's on Clown shoes (symetrical)
    - White Bros Snowpack fork
    - E13 offset double crankset
    - X0 2x10 twist shift

    The most interesting thing was that the Specialized hubs were definitely wider than 170mm but he wouldn't confirm the width. He did mention the weight but I honestly can't remember but it was pretty standard. I believe it was 30 but don't quote me on that. I also heard 2nd hand from another guy that talked with Ned that Specialized also plans to make a fork, rims, and tires.

    There was a guy I met there named Steve that got quite a bit of info as well, he was actually the one that noticed the width of the hub. Steve if you're out there chime in with what you remember from the convo and feel free to correct anything that I may not have stated correctly.
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    Re: Specialized fatty prototype spotted

    Sweet! Some real competition! Now come on Trek!

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    Bring it on ... Sooner or later the FS thing is also gonna leave the garage, and go mainstream.

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    I heard about this a few months ago at the local Spesh dealer. The frame looks just like my Rockhopper.

    Shop employee said $3k+ for pricing.

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    Nice work. They just need to add their split shell EBB and I'll buy one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    I heard about this a few months ago at the local Spesh dealer. The frame looks just like my Rockhopper.

    Shop employee said $3k+ for pricing.
    $3k at least for that build, it is a direct competitor to the Beargrease. It may be lighter than 30, if not I would take the Beargrease although I dont know how the geometry compares.

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    very cool, id like me some specialized tires in 4.8" widths

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    Holy hell, I want! So pumped!

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    $200 and bikeabuser is in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    $200 and bikeabuser is in.
    yea no shat huh?? be called the speshgoose..lol

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    Surly, Salsa, ETC....innovates...Trek, Specialized, ETC imitates...Personally I would never buy one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOBBY605 View Post
    Surly, Salsa, ETC....innovates...Trek, Specialized, ETC imitates...Personally I would never buy one.
    I tend to agree with you on this but there is an upside. Mass production should not only push the industry forward but hopefully drop the ridiculous price for components. I'm not complaining, I love my fatty but it would be a bonus to keep some money in my pocket for other projects.

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    Looks to me like all the big boys are looking to do is ride the gravy train. So far Kona has targeted the $1500 Pugs market with a $1700 low spec aluminum bike. Now Specialized with a, uh, I guess "sleek" looking high end bike. Nothing groundbreaking or even new, except higher prices than there already were. Not the way I thought things would develop. At least no yet.

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    Re: Specialized fatty prototype spotted

    What we really need is for the big S to start producing their own fat rims and tires. There are enough frames out there. This just seems like another frame to hang Surly fat bike components on.

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    So long as fatbike are selling out of all their runs in very short order, the companies will price them consistent with other current offerings, and maybe even bump the prices up.

    This will change once there is some level of saturation in the market. Once dealers and companies need to price a fatbike (or any widget) based on what will clear out inventories, then large and small companies will price them closer to what their costs are. Since large companies can produce at lower cost, they can still make profit while undercutting competition.

    The irony is we love being unique and cutting edge, but for prices to drop significantly, you have to approach run-of-the-mill status.

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    akt42, I was too out of it and then the wind kinda made me stop thinking after the race. I was wishing I had gotten a picture of it. The Steve you mentioned said his bike was 28 pounds, aluminum with carbon Carver forks.

    Did you do the 50K? You weren't the guy with the goofy ski on his front tire were you? What was up with that?

    I'm hoping that by next year I'll have a carbon fat bike for races instead of my 40 pound Moonie. I am under the impression that Trek with have a carbon fat sometime this summer. And then there is the Beargrease, Jay was expecting his pretty soon when I spoke with him at the Togwotee Winter Classic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoobytao View Post
    The irony is we love being unique and cutting edge, but for prices to drop significantly, you have to approach run-of-the-mill status.
    I don't care about being "unique and cutting edge". I just want to ride a bike the places I want to go and sometimes a fatbike makes most sense, sometimes it makes it more fun. The more players in the market place the better. It means I can buy tyres without getting into sporadic delivery schedules and crap availability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithcreek View Post
    Nothing groundbreaking or even new
    It's what you *can't* see. The geometry that they've spent the last 6 years and millions of dollars developing, to make it ride just like a 26er, cause they know it's what the world really wanted all along....
    This is a Pugs not some carbon wannabee pretzel wagon!!

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    I'm just guessing here, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say there's a pretty good chance that getting a Revelate Designs Framebag for this bike would probably not be in the scope of reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphazz View Post
    akt42, I was too out of it and then the wind kinda made me stop thinking after the race. I was wishing I had gotten a picture of it. The Steve you mentioned said his bike was 28 pounds, aluminum with carbon Carver forks.

    Did you do the 50K? You weren't the guy with the goofy ski on his front tire were you? What was up with that?

    I'm hoping that by next year I'll have a carbon fat bike for races instead of my 40 pound Moonie. I am under the impression that Trek with have a carbon fat sometime this summer. And then there is the Beargrease, Jay was expecting his pretty soon when I spoke with him at the Togwotee Winter Classic.
    No to both, i did the 25k, lazy ass in the early season this year. I did win the 25k though. I definitely was not the guy w the ski, i think that looks terrible. You a local as well?

    28 lbs seems more likely than 30 but it was definitely a white bros snowpack not a carver.

    Personally i would rather have a beargrease than carbon. I am finding out from my mountain bikes that carbon is somewhat disposable. I cant afford to replace a secondary bike every couple of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hikernks View Post
    I'm just guessing here, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say there's a pretty good chance that getting a Revelate Designs Framebag for this bike would probably not be in the scope of reality.
    No need for a limb, i would say you definitely wont be able to get one since Eric is no longer making custom bags. Porcelain Rocket makes some nice looking custom frame bags from what i have seen on the net, not seen one in person.

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    My thread title was going to be " Ned Overend got fat!" but you beat me to it.

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    Local, well, from Laramie.

    Not only did the ski thing look stupid but it looked like he had to work harder to keep the front of the bike going straight.

    The frame bag is a must I feel for general winter snow bike riding. My friends are always having either frozen bottles or frozen tubes from their pack when riding and I pull out my bottles that are just fine.

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    Stoked if this becomes a reality. Specialized will change the game if they get into making tires and rims for fatties. It will also be nice to see higher quality standards brought into the fatbike world in frame and fork manufacturing. Kinda annoying when you buy a fatbike frame/fork and things need to be filed, drilled, sanded, aligned right out of the box. Plus having an awesome warranty and a huge dealer network to take care of issues quickly and painlessly. Come on Big S!
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    Quote Originally Posted by limba View Post
    My thread title was going to be " Ned Overend got fat!" but you beat me to it.
    Nice! Sorry bout that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphazz View Post
    akt42, The Steve you mentioned said his bike was 28 pounds, aluminum with carbon Carver forks.
    Wait, I think I misunderstood this when I replied earlier. Do you mean that Steve said his bike was 28 lbs or Ned's bike was 28 lbs?

    Steve has a Titanium Mukluk with a carbon Carver fork. I can definitely believe that weighs 28 lbs.

    The Beargrease weighs 28.5 lbs stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOBBY605 View Post
    Surly, Salsa, ETC....innovates...Trek, Specialized, ETC imitates...Personally I would never buy one.
    Im'a call bullsh!t on that.

    You show me one place where surly have ever innovated ever, aside from innovative ways to separate you from your money.

    The pugsley was not an innovation. It was an idea that already existed, mass produced. Surly produces nothing innovative other than the ability to make people buy crappy 4130 frames for near premium prices. Love surly, but I would never in a million years call them innovative.

    OK, forgot about the Krampus, which is as far as I know, the only truly original thing surly has ever done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckfiddious View Post
    Im'a call bullsh!t on that.

    You show me one place where surly have ever innovated ever, aside from innovative ways to separate you from your money.

    The pugsley was not an innovation. It was an idea that already existed, mass produced. Surly produces nothing innovative other than the ability to make people buy crappy 4130 frames for near premium prices. Love surly, but I would never in a million years call them innovative.

    OK, forgot about the Krampus, which is as far as I know, the only truly original thing surly has ever done.
    That's a bit harsh, what about Long Haul Trucker, Ogre, Troll, and yes the Pugs. They don't claim to invent the niche but they sure make it easier to participate! Premium price? $500 frame is hardly premium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akt42 View Post
    That's a bit harsh, what about Long Haul Trucker, Ogre, Troll, and yes the Pugs. They don't claim to invent the niche but they sure make it easier to participate! Premium price? $500 frame is hardly premium.
    The long haul trucker is a pretty exact copy of the rivendell atlantis. There is zero innovation in the geometry of a general purpose touring bike. Hell, the rivendell atlantis is just a copy of the bridgstone xo (but that's ok because grant petersen just copied himself), and that was just a copy of a hundred other touring bikes from the 70s. The ogre and troll are just steel mtbs. And $500 is a pretty premium price for a made in taiwan 4130 frame.

    Don't believe me? note that a Soma Saga touring frameset made out of Tange Prestige (pretty nice steel) is $499. THat'd be a whole 20 bucks more than that 4130 LHT. Oh, and the Soma comes in actual colors someone might like. Surly seems to pick their colors as a F**k you to their customers.

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    At least Specialized will be pushing down the fatbike prices out there by offering a 3K+ bike to the market. I'm sure the Muks and Pugs will be dropping in price ASAP!

    It is cool to see more offerings though. Should be interesting to see one in a shop sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckfiddious View Post
    The long haul trucker is a pretty exact copy of the rivendell atlantis. There is zero innovation in the geometry of a general purpose touring bike. Hell, the rivendell atlantis is just a copy of the bridgstone xo (but that's ok because grant petersen just copied himself), and that was just a copy of a hundred other touring bikes from the 70s. The ogre and troll are just steel mtbs. And $500 is a pretty premium price for a made in taiwan 4130 frame.

    Don't believe me? note that a Soma Saga touring frameset made out of Tange Prestige (pretty nice steel) is $499. THat'd be a whole 20 bucks more than that 4130 LHT. Oh, and the Soma comes in actual colors someone might like. Surly seems to pick their colors as a F**k you to their customers.
    Fair enough, all valid points that honestly I was not aware of, thanks for the ed. Maybe it's not innovation but they certainly take chances that none of the big guys ever would. I don't know how long it would have taken for me to even see a fat bike, much less own one, if Surly hadn't taken a chance and brought it to a wider audience with the Pugs.

    The Ogre and Troll, the extra bottle bosses and Rohloff cable routing are mainly what makes them different. Again, they didn't invent it but damn it is nice to have and again, the big guys would never do it.

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    be nice......

    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    It's what you *can't* see. The geometry that they've spent the last 6 years and millions of dollars developing, to make it ride just like a 26er, cause they know it's what the world really wanted all along....
    It rides better than you think...............................
    just ride... who cares how big your wheels are

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    So maybe they are the ones using the new Schrammm fork?
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckfiddious View Post
    The long haul trucker is a pretty exact copy of the rivendell atlantis. There is zero innovation in the geometry of a general purpose touring bike. Hell, the rivendell atlantis is just a copy of the bridgstone xo (but that's ok because grant petersen just copied himself), and that was just a copy of a hundred other touring bikes from the 70s. The ogre and troll are just steel mtbs. And $500 is a pretty premium price for a made in taiwan 4130 frame.

    Don't believe me? note that a Soma Saga touring frameset made out of Tange Prestige (pretty nice steel) is $499. THat'd be a whole 20 bucks more than that 4130 LHT. Oh, and the Soma comes in actual colors someone might like. Surly seems to pick their colors as a F**k you to their customers.
    I would love if this was posted partially as Surly saying F**k you to you

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    I thought the same thing when I saw that this morning Jared.

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    So let me get this straight, Surly is all butthurt because people don't like the colors they pick? Humorless hipsters are humorless.

    Again, I love surly, but innovation is not their game. Their game is marketing well made (if heavy) basic frames and bikes. It's a good game. It's a solid game, it's a game someone needs to play and they play it well.

    But thinking that Surly is going to be more innovative than Trek or Specialized is wishful thinking of the highest degree.

    I would guess that the first and second generation of trek and specialized fat bikes are not going to be all that innovative other than the innovation of actually being available. IF they catch on, they will get innovative in a hurry.

    Either way, two big-ass companies getting wheels and tires made for them means more wheels and tires for the rest of us. THat's a good thing.

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    naaaaaaa thats just an april fools.

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    I understood perfectly that it was posted on April Fool's. Which is why it would have been funny if they used the day as an opportunity to **** with the forum people

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    Ahh yes the obligatory April fools acknowledgement on social media.. Surly just lost some cool pts for that lame April fools joke

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    It might be April Fool's but it probably reflects a lot of truth. Butthurt? They probably are and should be. Their colors do show a lot of laziness. With many other options available, I'll probably never buy another Surly fat bike. Their prices will have to come down and they will probably start seeing their bikes sit around longer. Their boom period is over.

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    I like their color choices.. In fact, it's antithesis to the typical flashy graphics and loud fonts on other bikes.

    I don't get why they can't stock more color ranges.. love the earth tones used on some of their bikes. Would love the flexibility of those colors being available on all models.. Not just the stupid yellow, red, or purple.

    The only thing that draws me to Surly is the cleaning looking bike frames and the brazons.. seriously.. if anyone else comes along with those specs satisfied, they would totally be on par with surly from my POV.

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    As has been said previously its not a lack of frames that is the issue. If we look at fat bikes the pieces that differentiate for standard mtn bikes are the BB/crank, hubs, rims and tires and specialized is a bicycle company not a component company. I have no interest in owning a specialized branded crankset, hubs or anything that they brand and use OEM. The value, in my opinion, of a big company entering the market is that they have the purchase power to convince manufactures of these pieces to join in. If shimano would start making cranks and hubs for fat bikes or Maxxis, Kenda, or insert you favorite tire here would join then it would make it worth having the big ones at the party.

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    Do you think SRAM are making fatbike cranks for the Surly/Salsa niche-core? They'll have done it as part of a deal with Specialized (and mibbe Trek).

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    You are likely correct druidh and I guess that is what I was getting at. For me the big ones joining in have more value in getting component manufactures up to speed than just putting another bike on the market. I'm sure this changes from person to person depending on if you like to buy a complete or build up from a frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckfiddious View Post
    Again, I love surly, but innovation is not their game.
    A. I do not think this word "love" means what you think it means; and

    B. Who said Surly was innovative? I don't think they've ever been all that innovative. I think they've been willing to take chances that many other bike companies, the bigger ones in particular, can't or won't take.

    The Cross Check, LHT, Big Dummy, Pugs, Pacer...all designs that borrowed heavily from others but executed in a way that succeeded in the market (except maybe the Pacer.) Surly is really good at refining and marketing. Why not give them credit for that and call it a day?

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    I think the frame color complaints are just ridiculous. Yeah, red, yellow, and black, and "space" flake black along with the awesome green flake of the Krapus are SO lame. There is only so many colors and I think that was Surly's f-you joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    I think the frame color complaints are just ridiculous. Yeah, red, yellow, and black, and "space" flake black along with the awesome green flake of the Krapus are SO lame. There is only so many colors and I think that was Surly's f-you joke.
    reading comprehension much? my complaint about color has nothing to do with the f-you reference..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MauricioB View Post
    A. I do not think this word "love" means what you think it means; and

    B. Who said Surly was innovative? I don't think they've ever been all that innovative. I think they've been willing to take chances that many other bike companies, the bigger ones in particular, can't or won't take.

    The Cross Check, LHT, Big Dummy, Pugs, Pacer...all designs that borrowed heavily from others but executed in a way that succeeded in the market (except maybe the Pacer.) Surly is really good at refining and marketing. Why not give them credit for that and call it a day?
    Nah, I love my surly, but that doesn't mean I love the hype surrounding the brand and the dumbass tribalism surrounding fatbikes

    B- that would be the guy who said "Surly, Salsa, ETC....innovates...Trek, Specialized, ETC imitates...", which is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever seen written about bikes.

    And I give Surly all manner of credit for doing what they do. It just drives me freaking nuts when people think that what they do is innovative, and that having anyone else playing in the fat bike game will somehow ruin fatbikes forever.

    More players in the game = more innovation, better quality control and lower prices.

    What's funny is that this is EXACTLY what surly did to the fatbike market, and to the steel frame market in general. before surly, fatbikes were ultra rare, incredibly hard to find and parts were few and far between. Surly came in with a buttload of QBP money and suddenly, there's more stuff available for fatbikes, and fatbikes can be purchased in your town. you might even be able to test ride one! Before Surly, there was the Rivendell Atlantis, the never available trek 520 or you could scour ebay for a vintage touring frame, then surly opened up the market with the LHT and spawned a dozen imitators and now, touring frames are easy to find. Definitely hasn't ruined the touring bike market, and a $500 LHT frame is arguably just as good as a $2000 atlantis frame for loaded touring.

    But apparently, if anyone else tries to expand the fat bike market, everything is ruined. LIke I said, the twisted logic gives me an aneurysm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckfiddious View Post
    And I give Surly all manner of credit for doing what they do. It just drives me freaking nuts when people think that what they do is innovative, and that having anyone else playing in the fat bike game will somehow ruin fatbikes forever.
    Innovation can mean 2 things here. They may not invent the ideas that they put into their bikes but surely we can agree that they have an innovative business model in that they will take a chance on a niche that no one else will touch (mass production wise) and make it successful. I do agree 100% on the More players = more innovation = better for us as buyers.

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    I really don't care about the frame, because even the lightest-possible-right-now fatbike wheels weight so much, that weight of the frame is non-factor at all.

    But I would like to see rims and tires from big companies, because they will be lighter, stiffer and more technologically advanced, than what we have now ( some WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY overpriced rims everywhere... for example )

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    Really? You think there is that much ceiling for the technology behind wheel design/manufacturing that it would make a big delta in wheel weight?

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    Yes. Technology could bring real tubeless, tubeless ready, or even tubular rims. Not to mention carbon rims. And all of this combined could strip abour 500 grams from the rotating weght from each wheel.

    I, personally, think, that is the best solution for fatbike in terms of low pressures, easy to none maintenance and low weight, is tubular wheels with sealant inside. Just in case.

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    At least Specialized will be pushing down the fatbike prices out there by offering a 3K+ bike to the market. I'm sure the Muks and Pugs will be dropping in price ASAP!

    It is cool to see more offerings though. Should be interesting to see one in a shop sometime.
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    big-ass companies getting wheels and tires made for them means more wheels and tires for the rest of us. THat's a good thing.
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    It will be interesting to see if Specialized actually makes their own rims and tires, and what the cost will be. I'm going to assume the price won't be that much lower than Surly, as Specialized is still trying to make money for themselves and their dealers, just like any bike company in this arena.

    I honestly think it is silly if people think Specialized will bring any cheaper tires to fat bikes... their S-works and ground control 29er tires are listed at $69... you think a much bigger tire is going to be at that same price or cheaper??? You can get brand new Surly Nate tires for $90... not much off from Spec's 29er tire. And don't bring Bud/Lou into this... I don't think specialized is going to jump into 4.8's right away. Add to that it will be something new for them and you are dreaming thinking prices will be drastically lower. Just trying to give a reality check here.

    The positive thing will be more choices and less chance that things will be sold out.

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    ...hopefully they do a 26x3, kevlar bead, high TPI summer tire...
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckfiddious View Post
    B- that would be the guy who said "Surly, Salsa, ETC....innovates...Trek, Specialized, ETC imitates...", which is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever seen written about bikes.

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    But apparently, if anyone else tries to expand the fat bike market, everything is ruined. LIke I said, the twisted logic gives me an aneurysm.
    Right on. I think we're on the same page then.

    Maybe part of the problem is that people are confused about the difference between innovation and development/refinement. They think all of those terms are interchangeable, but they really aren't

    Surly is really good at refining and developing this stuff, but not so much at inventing it. Consider marketing to be part of development and this becomes even more true.

    Speaking of marketing, you may not like the image they project, but it seems to work. (Though if my decision to buy their products hinged on having to watch the little films they post on their blog, I would own exactly zero Surly stuff.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    I honestly think it is silly if people think Specialized will bring any cheaper tires to fat bikes...
    Agreed. Spech makes some cool stuff but I've never held my breath waiting for them to bring the price curve down on ANYTHING.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onepivot View Post
    Agreed. Spech makes some cool stuff but I've never held my breath waiting for them to bring the price curve down on ANYTHING.
    No reason to bring the price down, when people keep paying a premium for their products.

    There's a reason they never have a clearance sale ... And it's related to R & D, and marketing.

    Good products, for sure ... But I can guarantee you, if they jump Fat ... They won't sell out of a product in January and wait an entire year for another production run.

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    Any new news? Will we have a Specialized fat bike released in September???

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    Specialized makes AWESOME tires though. That's what I'm excited about. UMA rims are already really well made, setup tubeless well etc. I would be stoked for Specialized to make a few different tires, regardless of price. NO WAY it will be more than 45 Norths tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neil.beltchenko View Post
    Any new news? Will we have a Specialized fat bike released in September???
    As of now it looks like it will be this month.

    They will have at least one tire to start, we'll see where it goes from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravitylover View Post
    As of now it looks like it will be this month.

    They will have at least one tire to start, we'll see where it goes from there.
    Does anyone what bottom bracket system the frame uses?
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    Any word on the MSRP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by onepivot View Post
    Does anyone what bottom bracket system the frame uses?
    Odds are it will be a new proprietary standard they have patented and only available from them...
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    OP says "E13 offset double crankset"...so whatever BB is compatible, I would guess.
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    This would have been so much more cool with a fat fs stumpy....

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravitylover View Post
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    Specialized fatty prototype spotted-39c870d6df752b61a97f848c05dbdec9.jpg

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    the rear end looks SHORT and the tires look like 4.8 BUD and LOU, aren't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fer83 View Post
    the rear end looks SHORT and the tires look like 4.8 BUD and LOU, aren't they?
    They smudged out the logos on the tires in the picture. Can't show any non-Spesh logos!

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    4.8" the captain and ground control tires will be laughable

    with 2blis control casing of course

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    A little bird told me:

    "Specialized will have 2 Fat Bike options next year called the Fatboy. They will both be aluminum frames with carbon forks. Priced around $1800 to $2500."
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    Looks like every other fat bike. If they wanted to be really cool, they would use their buying power to build a nicely equipped bike for $1200 or so- that would be commendable. Unless there is so new wheel/tire technology they are bring, then meh.

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    Holy Crap that thing looks sick!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    A little bird told me:

    "Specialized will have 2 Fat Bike options next year called the Fatboy. They will both be aluminum frames with carbon forks. Priced around $1800 to $2500."

    At least its not up past $3,000, I'm happy with these options. I'm super pumped to hear more! thanks for the INFO.

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    Specialized hubs, rims, tires frames and tapered carbon forks--maybe even 100mm crank. If those are indeed Specialized 4.0 tires I will be putting money down at my LBS today!

    I don't get why they spec X5 derailleurs though.

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    looks like Grim Shift too. Fork lloks cool as does running 2 x 9/10 with a 4.8 tires. Looking forward to seeing the details

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    Shit... that's at Copper Mountain. I'm about 20 minutes away. I should go over and get some more spy photos/details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoogieMang View Post
    Shit... that's at Copper Mountain. I'm about 20 minutes away. I should go over and get some more spy photos/details.
    Do it! We'll wait here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    If they wanted to be really cool, they would use their buying power to build a nicely equipped bike for $1200 or so- that would be commendable.
    ^ Exactly.
    First company to figure out how to break the $1000 barrier wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GT_guy View Post
    ^ Exactly.
    First company to figure out how to break the $1000 barrier wins.
    Wins what? Is your "regular" mountain bike under $1000?

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    Yeah I would never pay under 1000 for a fat bike. Or any bike for that matter.

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    They jump on the fat bike trend but they still don't build a 650B?? What would they sell most of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dgage View Post
    They jump on the fat bike trend but they still don't build a 650B?? What would they sell most of?
    I heard some grumblings of 650B's being tested for '15 models. I seriously doubt they will slack on 650B like they did with 29ers

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    Lol right after I saw this newest pic, a local female racer / fitness journalist I follow on Facebook posted up a pic of her in what appears to be Colorado, mentioning she is checking out a secret new Specialized but can't break the embargo and spill the beans. Hmmm...

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    Share the photo plz.

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    I have four photos in my possession and this bike looks great. My employers are at the launch of 2014 bikes in Colorado. I will post pics and info as soon as embargo ends I will have one as soon as they are available which I will find out next week when the business owners return My Muk 3 will be for sale

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    Cool thanks, Cant wait. I get a decent deal on Specialized so I think I'm sold on the higher end one. I just hope they dont sell out too fast. Do you know the sizing? standard 15, 17, 19?

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    Waiting on sizing info myself. Apparently one model only coming to Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    A little bird told me:

    "Specialized will have 2 Fat Bike options next year called the Fatboy. They will both be aluminum frames with carbon forks. Priced around $1800 to $2500."
    Well I guess we shall see if the little bird has his facts straight. I hope at least the $2500 one is X9 rear.

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    What S is making a fat-fixie for $3K?

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    Apparently Spesh already had not one but two bikes named the Fatboy in the past. I feel they could be a little more creative with this fatbike name.




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    I would be shocked if they named it "Fatboy".
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    Continue with the hopper and jumper legacy with a sandskipper???

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Wins what? Is your "regular" mountain bike under $1000?
    Actually it is. It's a steel frame 29er with Deore. Not the most exotic bike, but it serves me well. Aside from the wheels, it's basically the same bike as a Pugsley. It had a MSRP of $899 and I bought it at the end of the season for considerably less than that. I understand the increased cost of small production, etc but I'm sure there is plenty of profit in the extra $1000 the Pugs costs.

    My point was that most shops sell way more sub-1000 bikes than $1000+ bikes and there are likely a lot of people that would get into fat bikes if the cost of entry wasn't so high. Therefore the company that comes out with a more affordable model will grab a big chunk of the overall fatbike market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lancelot View Post
    I would be shocked if they named it "Fatboy".
    Prepare to be shocked then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    Looks like every other fat bike. If they wanted to be really cool, they would use their buying power to build a nicely equipped bike for $1200 or so- that would be commendable. Unless there is so new wheel/tire technology they are bring, then meh.
    Looks a bit lower "cockpit" wise than most "snow bikes". Maybe going for a little more "all rounder" rider position... or at least having the option of that kind of set-up. Does look "sporty".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Prepare to be shocked then.
    Indeed they will

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    Quote Originally Posted by GT_guy View Post
    Actually it is. It's a steel frame 29er with Deore. Not the most exotic bike, but it serves me well. Aside from the wheels, it's basically the same bike as a Pugsley. It had a MSRP of $899 and I bought it at the end of the season for considerably less than that. I understand the increased cost of small production, etc but I'm sure there is plenty of profit in the extra $1000 the Pugs costs.

    My point was that most shops sell way more sub-1000 bikes than $1000+ bikes and there are likely a lot of people that would get into fat bikes if the cost of entry wasn't so high. Therefore the company that comes out with a more affordable model will grab a big chunk of the overall fatbike market.
    Remember when Redline jumped into the 29er market. They did it with a sub $500 product. They couldn't keep them in stock. Someone ought to be able to produce some lower end wheels, make it a 1x9, and bring it out at $979.00 MSRP. Of course what do I know, I am not in the bicycle industry. Just would like something basic to ride snowmobile trails on. The season for them is only about 4 months in the area I live in. And when the snow is gone, I will be back on skinnier tires for the simple terrain we have.

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    Would be ironic if Harley Davidson sues for the use of Fatboy name.
    Then again it is "Fat Boy" that is copyrighted so maybe Specie can get away with Fatboy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhc View Post
    Remember when Redline jumped into the 29er market. They did it with a sub $500 product. They couldn't keep them in stock. Someone ought to be able to produce some lower end wheels, make it a 1x9, and bring it out at $979.00 MSRP. Of course what do I know, I am not in the bicycle industry. Just would like something basic to ride snowmobile trails on. The season for them is only about 4 months in the area I live in. And when the snow is gone, I will be back on skinnier tires for the simple terrain we have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strafer.2 View Post
    Would be ironic if Harley Davidson sues for the use of Fatboy name.
    Then again it is "Fat Boy" that is copyrighted so maybe Specie can get away with Fatboy.
    Specialized have been using Fatboy for years


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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Then go buy a walgoose!
    I will assume that your comment is all in fun. But certainly there is room for something between Walmart junk and $1500 "entry level".

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    The market has spoken. An entry level fatbike is around $1700 (Surly, Salsa, Kona, now Specialized). You can keep waiting for the price to come down, but think of all the fun you're missing!

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    If someone brings a ~$1000 fat bike to the market, everyone here is most likely just going to bash the component selection and weight anyway. What's the point?

    And if you think Specialized might just try something like that, think again.
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    ...I humbly mostly disagree...citing Salsa's #'s @ fatbike summit 2013 (10,000 fatbikes sold pre 2013 and another 10,000 for 2013-*please check and correct if so inclined) only about two-hundredths of one percent of the market has spoken (over 100,000,000 bicycles are produced in the world annually). Granted not everyone of those 100 million purchasers of bicycles will purchase a fatbike, but, as is the premise here, if entry level costs came down a bit, presumably below that magic $1,000 mark, maybe that .02% would bump up a bit...maybe double or triple as it did when completes became widely available (2012-ish)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by damnitman View Post
    ...I humbly mostly disagree...citing Salsa's #'s @ fatbike summit 2013 (10,000 fatbikes sold pre 2013 and another 10,000 for 2013-*please check and correct if so inclined) only about two-hundredths of one percent of the market has spoken (over 100,000,000 bicycles are produced in the world annually). Granted not everyone of those 100 million purchasers of bicycles will purchase a fatbike, but, as is the premise here, if entry level costs came down a bit, presumably below that magic $1,000 mark, maybe that .02% would bump up a bit...maybe double or triple as it did when completes became widely available (2012-ish)...
    The market is made of buyers and sellers. The sellers have spoken, and they've all said $1700. There's plenty of competition out there. In theory, this should already be driving prices down. Yet, if I'm not mistaken, the price of the bottom of the line Pugs has gone up.

    Also, I think a certain minimum parts spec is required for fatbikes to deliver the capabilities where they excel: adventure riding, adverse conditions like snow and sand, rock crawling, etc. Entry-level parts aren't gonna cut it. Similarly, entry-level riders will probably not be attracted to those types of riding because it's friggin' hard. What's the application for a low budget fatbike?

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    Also, I think a certain minimum parts spec is required for fatbikes to deliver the capabilities where they excel: adventure riding, adverse conditions like snow and sand, rock crawling, etc. Entry-level parts aren't gonna cut it. Similarly, entry-level riders will probably not be attracted to those types of riding because it's friggin' hard. What's the application for a low budget fatbike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    The market is made of buyers and sellers. The sellers have spoken, and they've all said $1700. There's plenty of competition out there. In theory, this should already be driving prices down. Yet, if I'm not mistaken, the price of the bottom of the line Pugs has gone up.

    Also, I think a certain minimum parts spec is required for fatbikes to deliver the capabilities where they excel: adventure riding, adverse conditions like snow and sand, rock crawling, etc. Entry-level parts aren't gonna cut it. Similarly, entry-level riders will probably not be attracted to those types of riding because it's friggin' hard. What's the application for a low budget fatbike?
    There isn't plenty of competition. QBP has been the only game in town for a while now. Fatback, 907, etc are little boutique brands that don't have as much distribution support.

    Now that Kona and Specialized are getting in the game, this is the first real competition. They're not even out yet.


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    Re: Specialized fatty prototype spotted

    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    The market is made of buyers and sellers. The sellers have spoken, and they've all said $1700. There's plenty of competition out there. In theory, this should already be driving prices down. Yet, if I'm not mistaken, the price of the bottom of the line Pugs has gone up.

    Also, I think a certain minimum parts spec is required for fatbikes to deliver the capabilities where they excel: adventure riding, adverse conditions like snow and sand, rock crawling, etc. Entry-level parts aren't gonna cut it. Similarly, entry-level riders will probably not be attracted to those types of riding because it's friggin' hard. What's the application for a low budget fatbike?
    The Pugsley comes with entry level components. Its expensive because of the wheelset, but the components that come on a complete Pugsley are entry level and they work just fine. Shimano Deore, Truvativ Hussefelt, basic ritchey headset, deore rear hub, all entry level stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    The Pugsley comes with entry level components. Its expensive because of the wheelset, but the components that come on a complete Pugsley are entry level and they work just fine. Shimano Deore, Truvativ Hussefelt, basic ritchey headset, deore rear hub, all entry level stuff.

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    You're right. I'd consider the Pugs entry level. It has what I'd consider to be the minimum capable parts. There's lots of cheaper components out there, and that's what you'd see on a sub-$1,000 bike. I have a Pugs that I built up a little better than the stock one, and it's the cheapest bike I've bought in almost 20 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    The market has spoken. An entry level fatbike is around $1700 (Surly, Salsa, Kona, now Specialized). You can keep waiting for the price to come down, but think of all the fun you're missing!
    $1449 for an On-One with free shipping...$1900 if I go to REI and buy a bottom-line pugsly off the floor.

    The problem is really getting cheap-but-strong hubs, rims, forks, and cranksets. They can't do economy of scale until bigger manufacturers get involved and the demand is really there. It takes specialized or someone similar to crank out a cheap-but-strong fatbike. It doesn't take "higher end" parts to make a fatbike work, it just takes parts made to the right standard. A fatbike version of a $600 26er really shouldn't cost over $100 more, if that, but the economy of scale isn't working for it yet. There are plenty of lower-level components to choose from on bikes that cost $600-1000 that are not crap and will take lots of abuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    $1449 for an On-One with free shipping...$1900 if I go to REI and buy a bottom-line pugsly off the floor.

    The problem is really getting cheap-but-strong hubs, rims, forks, and cranksets. They can't do economy of scale until bigger manufacturers get involved and the demand is really there. It takes specialized or someone similar to crank out a cheap-but-strong fatbike. It doesn't take "higher end" parts to make a fatbike work, it just takes parts made to the right standard. A fatbike version of a $600 26er really shouldn't cost over $100 more, if that, but the economy of scale isn't working for it yet. There are plenty of lower-level components to choose from on bikes that cost $600-1000 that are not crap and will take lots of abuse.
    I think it DOES take somewhat higher-end components to make a capable fatbike. By capable, I mean it can withstand snow, sand, water, rocks, and riding with loaded packs. Given the current state of the art, a $600 fatbike would have questionable brakes, unsealed bearings, parts that aren't corrosion resistant, parts that you can't trust to survive a longer adventure, and a weight that might approach 50 lbs. Again, who is the audience and what is the application for such a bike? Would you buy one? I personally don't see too many $600 26er's on the trails, either. Lots of them serve as beach cruisers or gather dust hanging in people's garages.

    I suspect the people who get paid to think about these things have come to similar conclusions, and that's why the bike companies "happened" to set similar specs and pricing on their entry level bikes. All of this is academic to me. I replaced my Pugs with a Ti fatbike after less than a year. The stuff happening on the higher end is lots more interesting to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by druidh View Post
    Specialized have been using Fatboy for years

    Indeed. I have a silver 24" version of that. Needs a rear rim I was tempted to make it a half fat or put a squishy fork on it. Shrug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    I heard some grumblings of 650B's being tested for '15 models. I seriously doubt they will slack on 650B like they did with 29ers
    If they are waiting untill 2015 for the 650b then they are way behind the times!
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    So pictures will be released at 12:00am EST? Hehe

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    Hot off the press.... finally and its name....fatboy!
    Just In: Specialized Fatboy Fat Bike | Mountain Bike Review

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    Wow.. Very nice.

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    More from my employers at the dealer show.

    Grip shift on both levels of Fat Boy, XO rear derailleur, 2 x 10, E13 cranks, Specialized fatty prototype spotted-fatboy-large-.jpg

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    Will hopefully have sizing and specs tomorrow when they return from USA

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    Not being a big Specialized fan, I gotta say that I'm at least mildly impressed. They get points in my book for the geometry, big tire clearance, coming up with their own rims, tires and fork. Also digging the matte green/black color scheme.

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    Pretty stoked to hear they are making big Ground Control's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julia658 View Post
    What we really need is for the big S to start producing their own fat rims and tires. There are enough frames out there.
    They are.
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    So we still don't know release date? does anyone know if pre order is up on their order site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lancelot View Post
    Pretty stoked to hear they are making big Ground Control's.
    Me too! I won't be running to the Specialized store for the bike, but I'd really like to have a fat GC.

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    Release date is for late this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    The market is made of buyers and sellers. The sellers have spoken, and they've all said $1700. There's plenty of competition out there. In theory, this should already be driving prices down. Yet, if I'm not mistaken, the price of the bottom of the line Pugs has gone up.

    Also, I think a certain minimum parts spec is required for fatbikes to deliver the capabilities where they excel: adventure riding, adverse conditions like snow and sand, rock crawling, etc. Entry-level parts aren't gonna cut it. Similarly, entry-level riders will probably not be attracted to those types of riding because it's friggin' hard. What's the application for a low budget fatbike?
    That's exactly right. For most riders a fatbike is an extra bike that they buy because they want either some different capabilities or something different to ride. I have a Krampus and a Pugsley but as much as I like them, these are not entry-level bikes even if they were cheap.

    Heck, nothing would turn the average new rider off of mountain biking then hauling forty pounds of Pugsley up and down what should be relatively easy trails.

    Bike companies are not aiming their fatbikes at the new, tentative rider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MauricioB View Post

    Speaking of marketing, you may not like the image they project, but it seems to work. (Though if my decision to buy their products hinged on having to watch the little films they post on their blog, I would own exactly zero Surly stuff.)
    Yeah. I despise their grungy, too-hip-for-words marketing. But I really like their bikes, particularly my Krampus so I just look past the hype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    Apparently Spesh already had not one but two bikes named the Fatboy in the past. I feel they could be a little more creative with this fatbike name.



    Why? Does it offend your sensibilities that a completely different type of bike that they manufactured shared the name once upon a time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneBadWagon View Post
    Why? Does it offend your sensibilities that a completely different type of bike that they manufactured shared the name once upon a time?
    Kind of, yes. It is a rather unoriginal name. But I guess they already had it trademarked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    Kind of, yes. It is a rather unoriginal name. But I guess they already had it trademarked.
    You do realize that unlike almost everything else about the bike, the name doesn't have an effect on the way the bike rides, right?

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    Surprised it took so long for Spez to get on the train. Now that they're in it, the German speaking will start taking it seriously. We'll see what they do with it as they tend to take other's ideas and refine them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneBadWagon View Post
    You do realize that unlike almost everything else about the bike, the name doesn't have an effect on the way the bike rides, right?
    Derp, I sure do. The name can still suck though

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    I am mostly curious about their tires and ofc availability in europe.
    More variety and brands is Always a good thing for us consumers

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    Speciaized ... *sigh* ... the bike just ain't me. Seems like another one of those bikes to be sold, like a bike for someone to walk into a shop and say "I want that one" to. Snobbery aside, special did this pretty properly though. Ya'll seen the cutouts in them 90 mils? Looks BEEFY like a Hanes T, yo, and light: Most comparable 90mm rim is the UMA and it's almost 300g heavier, DAAAAANG. Diggin the hookless bead too. Takes a certain touch to set up right with all that floppy rubber but once you get the hang of it, it's waaay easier and, you know what, I bet it'll FLOAT like a bigger rim too (clown shoe is 200ish g's heavier). I'd sneak a set of those and rub off all the "roval" or "special" or whatever house brand name they'll use for this and rock them like crazy. I'm excited to get another choice in big rubber too. Ah crud, specialized just might get some of my monies after all. *sigh*

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    Though I do wish I was a bit younger, with all the great developments in cycling lately, not just in high floatation cycling but gravel bikes, 29er's, 29+, cargo bikes... all of it, having been around for the very beginning of Mt. Bikes- and hooked from the start- I can appreciate the "big picture" in a way that the folks that grew up with so many cycling options might not be able to. When I got hooked on cycling, there were NO mt. bikes... NONE! As far as Specialized is concerned, looking back, they were one of the first big comecial co.'s to jump into Mt Bike production w/ the Stump Jumper. Trek, Schwinn, Myata,Klein, everyone else followed. The early Stump Jumpers were a catilist for Mt. biking's growth and were durable and afordable.
    I've owned and ridden many mt. bikes, including all of the above mentioned, and one of my very favorites from the past was my Specialized Hardtail Enduro. That bike was ahead of it's time- one of the first long travel hardtails and talk about durable... I still have it and it's still ready to roll. I rode it longer as my main mt. bike than any of the others including the Kleins. Lots of reasons for folks to dislike big company's, certain brands, names, dealers, corperate influance,etc... But, as a couple others touched on above, how the bike rides will be what really matters in the end (bravo!). And I can't wait to ride one! It has a "sporty" look to it's "stance" and the fact that "Spesh" is investing in rims & tires too can only be good for everybody- and it say's "high floatation cycling" is here to stay! Like I've said before, for me, experiencing all of it and "fat" from Snow-Cats on, this is a dream come true... somebody pinch me! And I will be visiting my Spesh dealer the day these arrive! Whip this sucker on me... I'm ready to pedal it!

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    So what to you think does "Release date is for late this year" mean? How are chances to get them in October in Europe? Is Specialized usually good in estimating their release date?

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    I wonder if you could cram those rims in a pug. I like the cut out pattern, I hope they have that bike in Vegas this year, I want to test ride it! I wonder if the 190mm rear translates to more frame flex? We need a review!
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    Well said Ward. I also had terrific fun on a 1989 Stumpjumper. Many happy hours, over many years, and a lot to thank Specialized for. Only just recently sold it to a Stumpjumper collector! Probably the highest value return on any money I ever spent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailuropoda View Post
    Heck, nothing would turn the average new rider off of mountain biking then hauling forty pounds of Pugsley up and down what should be relatively easy trails.
    I'd argue that a fatbike makes relatively easy trails a whole lot more fun- modern FS bikes have sucked the fun out of so many trails, and something a little more raw and rough around the edges really makes what used to be easy trails a whole lot more of a challenge.

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    I'll second the interest in those rims. I planned on changing to a Darryl and BFL with a Carver fork on my pugs, because the more I ride that tire, the more I fall in love with it. So a half obese would be a good compromise. As much as I like the 100mm, I wanted a rounder tire profile for general trail riding. This might be a nice alternative to a Darryl while possibly being even lighter?

    Availability/cost of getting just a rim will likely be an issue though, at least for awhile?
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckfiddious View Post
    I'd argue that a fatbike makes relatively easy trails a whole lot more fun- modern FS bikes have sucked the fun out of so many trails, and something a little more raw and rough around the edges really makes what used to be easy trails a whole lot more of a challenge.
    And then again, not;

    I understand what you are saying. It's funny, the fatty also makes things easier. Beyond the ease of riding where there is no trail, I find it cuts out way more annoying trail chatter than my FS bikes do. Eliminates the trail buzz, but makes the rough more engaging. Whatever it is, I love it!

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    Thanks!! Great info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailMaker View Post
    I'm the only Fat guy in the group. A fellow rider said to me the other day, "the thing I like best about that bike is the sound!"
    We have a few shared (peds/cars/bikes) gravel/dirt roads around here and it's so funny watching people move to the side of the road thinking your a car coming up behind them!

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