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    Secret Xmas build for small woman - suggestions welcome

    Just finished my 2nd week with the Necromancer and its exceeding all my expectations of what fat biking really is and what it does for the soul.
    I'd like to build one part by part for my better half even though she doesn't know she wants one...yet.
    she's 5'2" and 109lbs. Strong road rider and decent mtb rider but w poor technical skills especially in our root infested part of atlantic canada.
    my Necro has changed how i ride/where i ride and how f'n happy i am when i'm riding...i expect/hope it'll do the same for her.

    i'd like suggestions on a build list. total project must be Sub 3k$...i'd also need the bike to weigh in the 28lb range. For her, the weight would be a legitimate issue.

    THINKING:
    Salsa Mukluk xs frame
    Carver carbon fork
    Large marge w cutouts
    xt 9sp cassette/derailleurs
    pauls thumbies
    some chinese carbon bits (post/bar/stem)

    i can get some/many parts at a savings at my LBS as we are sponsored by them, but i need total price to be retail and i can subtract my savings after.

    any comments appreciated.
    thanks,
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    Another frame option

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    how sub $3k and how sub 28lbs?

    because 3k and 28lbs says beargrease to me... out the door stock.

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    yup!

    Quote Originally Posted by gregclimbs View Post
    how sub $3k and how sub 28lbs?

    because 3k and 28lbs says beargrease to me... out the door stock.

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    that's a thought i'm looping as well.
    the question is could i do better...aka lighter and cheaper piece by piece?

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    Quote Originally Posted by easterntide View Post
    ...aka lighter and cheaper piece by piece?
    probably not unless

    1) you have very specific part requirements

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    2) you go used

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    My wife really likes her small Moonlander.
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    Quote Originally Posted by easterntide View Post
    that's a thought i'm looping as well.
    the question is could i do better...aka lighter and cheaper piece by piece?
    If you don't include the custom finishing of my frame and rims, I did a 1x9 Mukluk build @ 27lbs even for around $2400. But it took around 4 months of waiting for deals to show up for each part.

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    If it were me, I'd do the 9 Zero 7 frame, the Salsa Mukluk rear hub for 200 bucks, the 9 Zero 7 front hub on sale for 80 bucks, Marge Lites, Moonlander fork for 116, MWOD crankset and then shop deals for the brakes and drivetrain.
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    great and VARIED thoughts :-)
    i'll do some math this week, then take a week off...we are hosting canadian track nationals this week and i'm the photo guy...
    following that...i'll start the ball rolling.

    thanks again guys.
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    I am 5'3" and 115lbs female, I have no issues with a small Necro Pugs.

    My only advice(repeated from my LBS) is to NOT do BFLs or anything that large. The added weight & inertia & friction of the wider tires will be a bear to pedal for smaller riders. We naturally have a lighter float footprint at a higher PSI than "normal" riders anyways. Stick with 4" tires and rims, drilled preferably(although my RDs aren't and I have no issues moving my Necro).
    Does she care about frame materials? I am not fond of aluminum myself, steel has give & flex that my body appreciates. I'll take the weight penalty myself.

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    Yah, since she's smaller, she'll likely notice the wheel/tire weight the most, so if you try to minimize that you'll likely be well off. Marge lite's and some husker du's.

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    I have been pricing out a <30lbs small frame with an IGH if you want the excel sheet with pricing weights etc. PM me your email address it's pretty extensive.

    The current incarnation is 29lbs @$2700 but without IGN and a XS frame you would hit that 28lbs for less too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakedbabytoes View Post
    I am 5'3" and 115lbs female, I have no issues with a small Necro Pugs.

    My only advice(repeated from my LBS) is to NOT do BFLs or anything that large. The added weight & inertia & friction of the wider tires will be a bear to pedal for smaller riders. We naturally have a lighter float footprint at a higher PSI than "normal" riders anyways. Stick with 4" tires and rims, drilled preferably(although my RDs aren't and I have no issues moving my Necro).
    Does she care about frame materials? I am not fond of aluminum myself, steel has give & flex that my body appreciates. I'll take the weight penalty myself.
    Thanks for the response. i appreciate that you are of similar size as she is...that's useful to know. You don't find the wheel Size to be an issue? she is worried about 29er wheels being too large overall (this was in discussion about getting her a 29er race bike).

    and that's why i want a parts build. stock wheels are all too heavy and large. i'm planning Marge Lites and Husker Du 120tpi's in tubeless config.

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    I don't find the wheel size to be an issue in any way other than occasional toe overlap but with smaller frames and big wheels, this is often an issue we have that other riders do not. Toe overlap is more noticeable on a mountain bike(or fat bike) because we tend to ride slower over terrain and need to make big steering adjustments in sketchy conditions.

    Did that stop me from riding bikes? No.
    Did it stop me from getting a Necro? No.

    The tires are big, for sure. By the time you add all the girth, you basically have a 29er. For smaller riders, it is a tighter fit for standover, I mean the head tube is still the same height over the front wheel for all riders, regardless of rider height. So basically you have just more angle to the TT to get your standover, plus a shorter TT for better reach.

    She and I are definately on the low end of being able to fit on a 29er or fat bike comfortably. I think she'll be fine(heck, I LOVE mine!) and say to you, "Go for it!"
    I think making it light and fast is a great idea, it will make it seem less big once she is riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easterntide View Post
    Just finished my 2nd week with the Necromancer and its exceeding all my expectations of what fat biking really is and what it does for the soul.
    I'd like to build one part by part for my better half even though she doesn't know she wants one...yet.
    she's 5'2" and 109lbs. Strong road rider and decent mtb rider but w poor technical skills especially in our root infested part of atlantic canada.
    my Necro has changed how i ride/where i ride and how f'n happy i am when i'm riding...i expect/hope it'll do the same for her.

    i'd like suggestions on a build list. total project must be Sub 3k$...i'd also need the bike to weigh in the 28lb range. For her, the weight would be a legitimate issue.

    THINKING:
    Salsa Mukluk xs frame
    Carver carbon fork
    Large marge w cutouts
    xt 9sp cassette/derailleurs
    pauls thumbies
    some chinese carbon bits (post/bar/stem)

    i can get some/many parts at a savings at my LBS as we are sponsored by them, but i need total price to be retail and i can subtract my savings after.

    any comments appreciated.
    thanks,
    Don
    The Mukluk has a long head tube so standover may be a concern. My wife is 5' 1" and has the smallest aluminum Fatback. It is marginal for her but works. I suspect the top tube on the Mukluk would be higher. You should ask the various manufacturers what their standover heights are say at the nose of the saddle and 8" in front of the saddle. It might be interesting to see how many could give you that information.

    I'll second the thoughts on Marge Lights, although drilled out 70mm or 80mm rims are good too. I'd go with the narrower rims for sure if she is mostly dirt riding.
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    Can't imagine finding a lower top tube. As for toe overlap, unless your wife has really large feet, should not be an issue. I run a size 42 MTB shoe with lots of room to spare.
    Unless you absolutely have to build her a bike, sounds like a XS Beargrease is exactly what your looking for.



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    Just a thought.

    One way to go, could be to run it on 24" wheels.

    That would get rid of some inertia and some rotating weight.

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    don't forget to put streamers on for her...just like samsquatch rides

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Magura View Post
    Just a thought.

    One way to go, could be to run it on 24" wheels.
    resulting in lower CofG, more pedal/chainring strikes as a result??

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    Quote Originally Posted by nvphatty View Post
    resulting in lower CofG, more pedal/chainring strikes as a result??
    And 32" wheels resulting in less pedal/chainring strikes.......

    For a small light rider, pedal/chainring strikes may not be all that high on the list of priorities


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Magura View Post
    And 32" wheels resulting in less pedal/chainring strikes.......

    For a small light rider, pedal/chainring strikes may not be all that high on the list of priorities
    no doubt but 32" rides are rare and not fat and since this is of the typical variety of 26" fat tire it will sustain more with 24" and may very well be high on the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nvphatty View Post
    no doubt but 32" rides are rare and not fat and since this is of the typical variety of 26" fat tire it will sustain more with 24" and may very well be high on the list.
    Going off on a limb here.

    26" to 24", brings the pedal in the lowest position approx. 25.4mm closer to the ground.
    As this is for a small rider, I assume 160mm cranks, which compared to the usual 175mm, gives 15mm more clearance.

    So now we are discussing 10mm of clearance.
    I doubt that is all that high on the list of priorities, compared to being able to accelerate and generally handle the bike.


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    the limb broke i'll call the paramedics

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    Good thread, I was wanting to start a similar one for the same reasons. Although in my case my wife is already realizing how fun and refreshing the fat is!

    I'm kind of thinking of a somewhat similar approach to a build. Depends on availability as I hear that inventory can be a chancy thing for some of this stuff.

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    Love mine, smallest Fatback (2012 import frame) F, 5'3", 130+gear. I use it in snow, occasional beach, dirt usually only if the softtail is in the shop.
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    On-One Mary handlebar on sale

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbxplorer View Post
    Love mine, smallest Fatback (2012 import frame) F, 5'3", 130+gear. I use it in snow, occasional beach, dirt usually only if the softtail is in the shop.
    thanks for the comments and the pic. do you feel that your riding upright compared to your standard mtb? saw a lot of women in the olympics rockin 29er bikes but with seriously negative rise stems slammed.

    aside from the awesomeness of fat tire riding i want her have a similar feel when it comes to overall pilot position

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    Alu vs Steel - feel any difference?

    someone posted earlier about the feel of steel vs alu. is that legitimate in a bike that lives w sub 10PSI in the tires?
    i understand bb stiffness and fork flex would be valid...but comfort and all... is that legit?

    also she's a small rider so any material would be stiffer for her than for a heavier rider wouldn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by easterntide View Post
    thanks for the comments and the pic. do you feel that your riding upright compared to your standard mtb? saw a lot of women in the olympics rockin 29er bikes but with seriously negative rise stems slammed...
    I probably am somewhat more upright than on the MTB, but to be honest it's not noticeable, and it actually climbs better, so other geometry factors are at work I think. I am pretty unfussy, though, it felt perfect on the first ride and haven't changed height, reach, etc since then. I think riders with some saddle time and a reasonably sized frame kind of automatically adjust to different rides, and aren't bothered by small differences, at least not when riding for fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easterntide View Post
    someone posted earlier about the feel of steel vs alu. is that legitimate in a bike that lives w sub 10PSI in the tires?
    i understand bb stiffness and fork flex would be valid...but comfort and all... is that legit?

    also she's a small rider so any material would be stiffer for her than for a heavier rider wouldn't it?

    Don
    I thinkyou are right, squishy tires take away a lot of the harshness of aluminum. That said I recently rode a new alu fatback and compared to my old Carver sourced fatback the bike was noticebly stiffer. It was stiffer all in a good way but it was a short ride so I don't know if I would feel more beat up after riding the alu for a long ride.The old Fatback did not feel much different, stiffness wise, from the Pugs it replaced.
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    Squishy tires do provide some suspension, as does the smaller stature of the rider in question, but I find that everything equal, steel is more comfy for me than aluminum. Do I get as much flex on steel as a 250lb male? Well, no. But there is still a flex difference, albeit a smaller one.
    I prefer it, so I just asked if the OP's lady cared about frame materials. Some people care, some people don't.

    And I do have feet disproportionate to my height, so unless she has mammoth feet like I do, she might not have issues with toe overlap. I never wished to be taller or bigger, but I have always wanted smaller feet.
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    Aluminum or steel does not make that much difference to me, as long as the tires have the right pressure. Position on the mukluk is def way more upright than a regular mtb. It is almost a trekking bike.
    Which makes it easier for a person with basic technical skills.

    I would def recommend a thudbuster seatpost, ergon grips and carbon bars.

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    My wife is 5 ft nothing. She rides a snow white pugs, size small. Stand over height is the least of the issues we dealt with.
    Top tube length was the struggle. We settled on a 50mm thompson stem and salsa 17 degree bar.
    Weight was not as much an issue for us. We built these for adventure rides, not racing. I found a bontrager 29er carbon fork and had a trialsin 47mm rim for the front wheel. Huska du's for the roots and rocks of Maine.

    She won't ride any thing else now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakedbabytoes View Post
    Squishy tires do provide some suspension, as does the smaller stature of the rider in question, but I find that everything equal, steel is more comfy for me than aluminum. Do I get as much flex on steel as a 250lb male? Well, no. But there is still a flex difference, albeit a smaller one.
    I prefer it, so I just asked if the OP's lady cared about frame materials. Some people care, some people don't.

    And I do have feet disproportionate to my height, so unless she has mammoth feet like I do, she might not have issues with toe overlap. I never wished to be taller or bigger, but I have always wanted smaller feet.
    Her feet are a tiny size 6 womens.
    now i'm thinking more about a size XS Pugs in fire engine red. throw a carver carbon fork on and some marge lites w husker du's.

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    Ah, baby feet. She is a lucky girl I have size 10s, even my 6' tall hubby has smaller feet than I do.

    I like your thinking on the XS pugs.

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    just sending info to my shop now for pricing.
    Question about floatation.
    i'm 175lbs and ride a necro @ 7psi on soft ground (sand etc). will a marge lite and husker du's work for her @ 109lbs on a Pugs in the same float sense?
    basically i want her to be as comfortable and tractionable as i am in the same conditions.
    or should she go to a wider rim (and will a wider rim fit on a standard pugs)?

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    Suggestions from a short woman

    I read the posts on this thread while researching a purchase of a fat bike of my own. They were very helpful. Thank you to everyone who has already commented! I just thought I would share my findings as I am a short (5'0"), small (115 lbs.) female who just bought a fat bike.

    The two frames I narrowed down to were the Salsa Mukluk and the 9:Zero:7 XS. When I went to test out a Salsa Mukluk XS, I only had about 1/2" to 1" of clearance for standing over the frame and the bike itself was just too big for me. Literally the only fat bike I could find that fits me is the XS 9:Zero:7 170mm Centered Frame. I have plenty of stand over and the frame itself is just more compact. I even bought the bike from the designer himself.

    I also spoke with a local woman who rents fat bikes. She said that the 9:Zero:7 frames are the only ones that fit her small female clients as well. I believe she said they rent Pugsleys, 9:Zero:7's, and Fatbacks.

    I was surprised to only find one frame that would fit me so I just thought I would share my findings in case you have yet to buy a frame for your project. I hope it helps!

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    Yes. Stop over thinking this...if she doesn't like it , you can send it to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKAmber View Post
    I also spoke with a local woman who rents fat bikes. She said that the 9:Zero:7 frames are the only ones that fit her small female clients as well. I believe she said they rent Pugsleys, 9:Zero:7's, and Fatbacks.

    I was surprised to only find one frame that would fit me so I just thought I would share my findings in case you have yet to buy a frame for your project. I hope it helps!
    Hoping the new XS Pugs will be more than small enough...hoping.

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    extra small 907 with 44mm snowcats, 1x9, pace carbon fork. weighs 25lbs
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    9-Zero-7

    Well my LBS checked for an xs pugs and the word back was April. SO...since i can't wait that long i think i'll be calling for a 135 offset xs 9-zero-7 frame today. the offset so that she and i can share wheels if we want (no reason to think that'd happen but...).

    is there any drawback to the 135 offset vs the 170?

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    Just talked to my LBS about a fat bike for my 4'11" wife who wants in on the fun. According to them, the smallest you can get a pugs is size small which is a 15 inch frame. They had a XS 2013 Muk3 sitting there and standover for her was pretty slim. It seems the 907 is the only realistic option for someone this size. Not that I would mind building her a bike but man is that going to add to the cost over something like a complete muk3.
    Whatever floats your bike, dude

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustin Mustangs View Post
    Just talked to my LBS about a fat bike for my 4'11" wife who wants in on the fun. According to them, the smallest you can get a pugs is size small which is a 15 inch frame. They had a XS 2013 Muk3 sitting there and standover for her was pretty slim. It seems the 907 is the only realistic option for someone this size. Not that I would mind building her a bike but man is that going to add to the cost over something like a complete muk3.
    good news about a custom build is that you can do smart purchases. Marge lites for example instead of rolling darryls (undrilled). go 120tpi tires. mtb tubes instead of those massive surly tubes, some chinese carbon post/stem/bar etc.

    might cost more but would make her (hopefully) a bucket load happier w it.

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    VERY pre-christmas build is done!!

    I frantically got it build with the help of my LBS after work yesterday, unveiled it just after dinner and we got out for a short neighbourhood nightride immediately following. Big thanks to the people who commented and helped me find my way in this custom build world.
    on the digital scale at the LBS its showing 27.88lbs. compared to my 20" necromancer at 36lbs...this thing is a weapon!
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    VERY VERY nice bike. She looks happy.
    So... Is that an offset frame?
    I like turtles

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    VERY VERY nice bike. She looks happy.
    So... Is that an offset frame?
    she's quite happy..somehow i think i'm happier than she is. Right now she still feels that this bike is somehow not as good as her full squish 6yr old trek fuel ex that weighs 1-2lbs more. her only previous fat riding experince was on my 20" Neco and that was a monster all around since she's 5'2" and is on an XS 9zero7.
    For starters at least now we can go ride together since i am 99% fat riding these days. She's already gone down an abandoned trail that ended at a small creek on her first ride (and in the dark w a bikelight). rode up and off of 5" curbs (didn't like to do that w her xc bike) and rode fist size and bigger rounded river rocks used as landscaping at a local development. None of this is what she would have normally done w her dually. so i personally am very hopeful :-)

    yes, thats the 135mm offset rear end yes. laced to marge lites w a deore hub (w xt guts...).

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    well good for you both(mostly her)

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    Those 907 frames look better the smaller they get

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    Quote Originally Posted by OFFcourse View Post
    Those 907 frames look better the smaller they get
    And the tires look even bigger on them !
    Lately i'm really starting to like the red/black combo on fatbikes, and this is definetly one of the better looking ones out there.
    Nice job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabies010 View Post
    And the tires look even bigger on them !
    Lately i'm really starting to like the red/black combo on fatbikes, and this is definetly one of the better looking ones out there.
    Nice job.
    Yeah I wish I could squeeze onto a XS I will have to settle for a S

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    Perspective

    Its funny how you get accustomed to larger tires and anything not 3.8" or better seems a bit weird to look at after a while. She's all of 5'2" and 'to my eyes' looks perfectly proper' on the xs 9zero7 w huskers.

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    I love the look of the 9zero7s. Wish I had known about them or had the opportunity to try one out before I bought my Mukluk.

    So glad she loves the bike. Too bad she doesn't live closer to Nakedbabytoes and I. We'd take her out for a great ride and three lovely ladies on a fat bikes would really give others a second or third look. LOL.

    Let her know there are girls on fat bikes if she's worried about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethany1 View Post
    I love the look of the 9zero7s. Wish I had known about them or had the opportunity to try one out before I bought my Mukluk.

    So glad she loves the bike. Too bad she doesn't live closer to Nakedbabytoes and I. We'd take her out for a great ride and three lovely ladies on a fat bikes would really give others a second or third look. LOL.
    3 hawt gals riddin fatties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ak greeff View Post
    extra small 907 with 44mm snowcats, 1x9, pace carbon fork. weighs 25lbs
    Love this. How tall was your kid when you got this, and how well did it work for them? My wife is 4' 8.5" with 26.75" inseam. The extra small Mukluk was too big for her, but this looks to be the ticket.

    Anyone else riding an XS 907 and feel like giving out their height and how well it fits? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil View Post
    Anyone else riding an XS 907 and feel like giving out their height and how well it fits?
    You may find useful this thread: http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/kid...es-820825.html
    Our XS 907 bike as pictured there (and below) had pretty tight standover for my kid. Since then I changed the fork to White Brothers 425mm axle-to-crown, front wheel to Mavic729 / IceSpikerPro 2.35" and rear wheel from BFL on 80mm rim to Nate on 65mm rim. Now he's got plenty of standover clearance He's 132 cm tall.
    Secret Xmas build for small woman - suggestions welcome-9zero7.jpg

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    so, OP, how goes the build? It is coming up quickly!

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    My wife's XS. She is 5'2" and 110 and it fits here like a glove! She absolutely loves it! She is still riding it at 36 weeks preggo! Nothing too fancy and it weighs right around 30 lbs. Could easily shave pounds with lighter wheelset, fork and tires.

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