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    Sarma hubs?

    Anybody know anything about Sarma hubs? looks like they use i9's 6 offset pawl layout for 120 poe. i'm looking for an affordable 170 hub with good engagement, and for $180 this not only fits the bill, but seems way too good to be true.
    link is here: Sarma 135/150/170/190 Hubs | Sarma USA
    why haven't i heard of these before?
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    Hell of a jump, dawg. Even though they're baggy shorts, I'm surprised that you can fit your balls into them.

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    New kids on the fat block.
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    I would like more info as well.

    Has anyone purchased from their website? Any luck?

    I can pay via PayPal @ $180 for the rear, but not sure if that includes the shipping.

    Asked about it but no reply so far...

    Chris.

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    I ordered a carbon fork price included shipping got it in 6 or 7 days.
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    I got Sarma rims, no issues.

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    Have the hubs, but waiting on a frame--once I have them up and running I will report back.

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    I've got Sarma wheelset (rear hub 190 mm) 3 month ago, no issues.
    There are 4 bearings in rear hub:
    2х 6903 LLB Enduro bearing in hub shell
    2х MR17287 LLB Enduro bearing in freehub body
    I think that 170mm hub has same bearings.
    QR|Axle conversion kit included.

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    Price 180$ excluding tax & shipping

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    thats nuts. i might have to go for it. 120poe for $180 is too good to pass up.
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    Hell of a jump, dawg. Even though they're baggy shorts, I'm surprised that you can fit your balls into them.

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    Anyone change out the end caps--is there a trick to it--I can not get the quick release end caps off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orind View Post
    Anyone change out the end caps--is there a trick to it--I can not get the quick release end caps off.
    You need two 5mm hex wrenches and one 14mm hex wrench (or driver socket).
    1. use 5mm hex wrenches on both QR end caps, rotate counterclockwise (right-hand thread), and one of them will screw out with funny "crack" sound :-)
    2. use 5mm hex wrench and 14 mm hex driver socket to unscrew another end cap.

    I dont know why Sarma dont put some kind of instructions or manuals with hubs/wheelsets

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    Thank you--yes, instructions would have been nice--definitely provides a secure system for the end caps.

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    Looks like 12mm nor 14 for my hub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orind View Post
    Looks like 12mm nor 14 for my hub.
    Oops, my bad Last time I've change end caps 3 month ago and dont remeber exactly 12 or 14 mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krzysiekmz View Post
    I would like more info as well.

    Has anyone purchased from their website? Any luck?

    I can pay via PayPal @ $180 for the rear, but not sure if that includes the shipping.

    Asked about it but no reply so far...

    Chris.
    Chris,
    Sarma provides free shipping around the world.
    We ship from warehouses at Michigan and Hong Kong, depends where you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PainKILLER_2K View Post
    You need two 5mm hex wrenches and one 14mm hex wrench (or driver socket).
    1. use 5mm hex wrenches on both QR end caps, rotate counterclockwise (right-hand thread), and one of them will screw out with funny "crack" sound :-)
    2. use 5mm hex wrench and 14 mm hex driver socket to unscrew another end cap.

    I dont know why Sarma dont put some kind of instructions or manuals with hubs/wheelsets
    Hi,
    I'm Dmitry from Sarma Bikes.
    We shall definitely provide those info soon.

    One note, please use hex driver 14mm for front and 12mm for rear hubs

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    OK--having troubles getting the lock ring to sit for my rear cassette--Any knowledge out there--never had this problem before--slide on cassette--goes just fine, but lock ring will not thread .

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    OK-issue resolved--looks like when I was changing end caps--and before I came here and learned they are threaded, I damaged the freehub body with a small nick to the top edge--got it repaired. I did remove the freehub body--watch out for those ratchet tabs, they do jump out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orind View Post
    OK-issue resolved--looks like when I was changing end caps--and before I came here and learned they are threaded, I damaged the freehub body with a small nick to the top edge--got it repaired. I did remove the freehub body--watch out for those ratchet tabs, they do jump out.
    Good to hear, that issue is solved.
    Just in case if you need spare parts, just let us know [email protected].

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    Well--I did email--when I ordered, I received double sets of caps for the rear, but did not receive the correct endcaps to convert the front to 15mm through axle--I requested expedited shipping--email was sent yesterday AM.

    Overall I am impressed with the hubs--I always appreciate easy to service freehub bodies.

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    for anyone interested

    Sarma hubs?-img_8178.jpgSarma hubs?-img_8179.jpgSarma hubs?-img_8180.jpg

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    Is the weight as listed on the website?

    Chris.

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    don't have a scale, when I get to a shop I'll check

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    My end caps showed up today--excellent customer service.

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    Some early feedback--only time will tell longevity, but I really am liking these hubs--so much so I hope they produce a mountain bike set.

    1. Price--went with 170 through bolt rear, 135x15 front--300 for the set--just insanely cheap (for quality).

    2. Build--While not as convenient, I like the thread on end caps (rather than just held in with friction and O-ring)--nice and secure--and all the variations you could ask for with end caps. On my borealis hubs I find over time with inserting the through axle the end caps get unseated--need to watch for it so as to not damage the o-ring.

    3. Roll down---just got done putting on the chain so I could spin this wheel and test--rolls a long time--some of the longest roll down times of any hubs I have (including I-9) and a great buzzing sound from the freehub body--not as loud as I-9 (I love the sound of I-9 and Chris King hubs---but I recognize that is a very personal taste).

    Only time will tell how they hold up, but they seem very easy to service--removing the freehub body to clean and lube is a breeze. Customer service has been very responsive and helpful.

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    When i first got my hubs the rear one sounded a little bit weird just spinning it in my hand. Now that I installed it and rode it once, there is definitely something up with it, defective from the get go. Let's see how Sarma handles it...

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    I bought this hub also and opened it. Springs fell off whe i took freewheel away, maybe one spring hasn been assembled properly in youre hub.
    Mine didnt have any oil in there, so better open it also.

    Im still waiting for nextie rims to lace with hub

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    I heard back from Sarma, and they are sending out a replacement hub right away. Really impressed with the customer service and prompt response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orind View Post
    Some early feedback--only time will tell longevity, but I really am liking these hubs--so much so I hope they produce a mountain bike set.
    I hope for a mtn set too. Would like to build up some new 29ers with Nexties. I'm spoiled with the I9 engagement.

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    Could you take pic from inside the freewheel. Im intrested what has got wrong in there.

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    i'm going to wait a little longer before investing in their hubs until they have small parts availability. Talked to Steve @ Sarma yesterday and they do have all of the convertible end caps BUT they don't have replacement free hubs OR replacement bearings as of yet. The bearings you could prob sort out with another source but to have freehub issues and not have a solution to fix or replacement is a concern for me.

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    Glad to hear it Luke! I'm glad that they back the products. I think im going to order one soon.
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    Hell of a jump, dawg. Even though they're baggy shorts, I'm surprised that you can fit your balls into them.

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    I am still torn on ordering these hubs or going with Hope (more expensive) or the Salsa (about the same price as the Sarma). Need 150 front and 177 TA rear...

    Was planning on buying hubs through LBS but they do not carry the Sarma...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destr0 View Post
    I am still torn on ordering these hubs or going with Hope (more expensive) or the Salsa (about the same price as the Sarma). Need 150 front and 177 TA rear...

    Was planning on buying hubs through LBS but they do not carry the Sarma...
    The hope hubs have drag issues. I have been very pleased with my Borealis hubs, which are also pretty reasonably priced.
    --Peace

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    i haven't seen the drag issue with the hopes, is this something you experienced first hand or something you read about ?

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    any new updates on these? I'm debating between Sarma and i9. It seems that these are similar to i9 hubs. I don't see why i would pay more for the name. Warranty is the same etc.

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    Mine still work great.

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    Mine had slight drag when brand new, but the drag was totally gone after only a few miles, first ride.
    I've seen guys not get the seal back in properly after removing the free hub.
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    i haven't seen the drag issue with the hopes, is this something you experienced first hand or something you read about ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by orind View Post
    Mine still work great.
    Any more details? Mileage, size, maybe a video of sound.

    Not sure I wanna spend the extra $130 on i9 but I also don't mine spending that extra $130 for a guarantee. Both companies have the same warranty.

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    Well--there is not much to say--when something works the way it should, it is seldom noticed--that is how these hubs are. They are on my wife's bike and she is not a very hard or aggressive rider, nor do they have 1,000 miles on them--they simply work and do not draw attention to themselves. They roll very well--I am always impressed when I spin her wheels (when the bike is hanging up) and watch them roll and roll. the rear hub is about 1/3 the volume of an I9 hub---probably the only drawback as I love the I9 sound. I will try and get a little video footage this evening of the spin down time and include sound, and post in this thread.

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    Thanks for the info. Trying to gather info because I broke hubs in 65 miles. I honestly think it is the torque and lack of engagement. Thenpawls hitting each engagement point put a lot of stress on that hub ring. Mine cracked in three places. I want something strong enough to handle my 240 pound fat ass up and down bills and some aggressive riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonggi View Post
    Thanks for the info. Trying to gather info because I broke hubs in 65 miles. I honestly think it is the torque and lack of engagement. Thenpawls hitting each engagement point put a lot of stress on that hub ring. Mine cracked in three places. I want something strong enough to handle my 240 pound fat ass up and down bills and some aggressive riding.
    Honestly, we have note met any broken hub yet, even pawls or bearings.
    But we shall offer spare parts for hub (bearings, pawls, freehubs) with competitive price by start of next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shindyakin View Post
    Honestly, we have note met any broken hub yet, even pawls or bearings.
    But we shall offer spare parts for hub (bearings, pawls, freehubs) with competitive price by start of next year.
    Thanks. I read the warranty, very similar to I9, but only comes in black. Also the i9s will be roughly $130 more for the set, not huge but that is $130.

    This is what happened to my hub. Is that ring on your hub replaceable? or once thats done, the whole hub is done?

    Edit: If the price difference was bigger I would jump on the Sarmas. But the prices being so close its tough to make a decision. Not many reviews on both hubs as of yet.

    I found out about Sarma through instagrm,we started following each other. ha
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    Oh, is it Novatec?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shindyakin View Post
    Please send an email to mail at sarmabikes.com within photos and full description of incident.
    That is a Novatec hub. Not Sarma. I want my next set to last more than 60 miles so I want to make sure my investment will be well spent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shindyakin View Post
    Oh, is it Novatec?
    Yes, Novatec, stock that came on my Motobecane Night Train.

    190x12 Spacing.

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    Thanks for the advice. We need to add this to our site. Thanks for your directions here.

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    Scott from Sarma USA. We now offer and stock replacement free hubs, both standard and XX1 style.

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    Hub part

    You need to replace it with this if it's Novatec:

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    Sorry for the delay--here is a video with audio of the sound of the sarma rear hub.


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    That sounds magical. Thanks for the video. Happy holidays

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    No 197mm 12mm through axel on there site. Safe to assume they don't have those conversion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattybfat View Post
    No 197mm 12mm through axel on there site. Safe to assume they don't have those conversion?
    Our hubs have wide variations of end-caps.
    Front - QR: 9/10 TA - 15mm
    Rear for Shimano freehub QR: 170/190, TA: 177/190
    Rear for XD freehub QR: 170/190, TA: 177/197

    Just leave a note during buying at web site.
    But we shall think how to make it more clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shindyakin View Post
    Our hubs have wide variations of end-caps.
    Front - QR: 9/10 TA - 15mm
    Rear for Shimano freehub QR: 170/190, TA: 177/190
    Rear for XD freehub QR: 170/190, TA: 177/197
    Sweet thanks for the quick reply got some light-bicycle 90mm coming, plan to pick up your hubs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattybfat View Post
    Sweet thanks for the quick reply got some light-bicycle 90mm coming, plan to pick up your hubs...
    Nj group buy?!?!? You with lb? I'm thinking of going nextie but deciding what hubs first. I know possibly one friend who will get a set as well. I'm in for 2 rear hubs and one front

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonggi View Post
    Nj group buy?!?!? You with lb? I'm thinking of going nextie but deciding what hubs first. I know possibly one friend who will get a set as well. I'm in for 2 rear hubs and one front
    Sure if they give us sweet deal. Yeah ordered up some L-B rims...

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    Are you guys from US? if so, drop an email to us[at]sarmabikes.co or scott[at]sarmabikes.com.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattybfat View Post
    Sure if they give us sweet deal. Yeah ordered up some L-B rims...
    Maybe I'll shoot them an email in the am. Curious why you went with lb? I have their 29er 35mm rims. Love them but those nextie rims are so sweet.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shindyakin View Post
    Are you guys from US? if so, drop an email to us[at]sarmabikes.co or scott[at]sarmabikes.com.
    From us. Will shoot u an email

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonggi View Post
    Maybe I'll shoot them an email in the am. Curious why you went with lb? I have their 29er 35mm rims. Love them but those nextie rims are so sweet.
    did a bulk order with the team, I got fatty rims and the rest got the skinny 29er rims. price was cheaper and saved in shipping cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattybfat View Post
    did a bulk order with the team, I got fatty rims and the rest got the skinny 29er rims. price was cheaper and saved in shipping cost.
    True. their skinny 29ers are amazing. The nexties are nice but comes with a heavy price tag. Do you use primarily for snow or trails? On my stock wheels I bottom out the tire to the rim. Has me worried for carbon.

    All I know is I made up my mind for hubs. Was se t originally on i9 but the price was holding me back. I wanted quality but also see what's out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonggi View Post
    True. their skinny 29ers are amazing. The nexties are nice but comes with a heavy price tag. Do you use primarily for snow or trails? On my stock wheels I bottom out the tire to the rim. Has me worried for carbon.

    All I know is I made up my mind for hubs. Was se t originally on i9 but the price was holding me back. I wanted quality but also see what's out there.
    all new for me, first fatty and still waiting for it should be here next week. Not enough snow days here anyway so i will be experimenting all year with what works and what doesn't. I been riding and racing mtb's since 1988 so I am used to trying new stuff all the time, some works and many failures. Had my eye on these hubs and the price is right so gonna give it a go...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattybfat View Post
    all new for me, first fatty and still waiting for it should be here next week. Not enough snow days here anyway so i will be experimenting all year with what works and what doesn't. I been riding and racing mtb's since 1988 so I am used to trying new stuff all the time, some works and many failures. Had my eye on these hubs and the price is right so gonna give it a go...
    Nice. I was worried at first since the brand is new but design is nice and reasonably priced. I'm still debating on the rims for now. May look into lbs. Not much snow agreed but want lighter rims for winter riding and trail riding and skinnies for the summer for flat places like 6 mile and allaire.

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    looks like they are up to $220 now for the 170 qr. wish i had bought one back when i started the thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Hell of a jump, dawg. Even though they're baggy shorts, I'm surprised that you can fit your balls into them.

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    Yea the rear 190 ta is $260.

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    Yeah for the cost and the weight I'll get the i9 hubs for my 29er + wheelset I'm building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shindyakin View Post
    Our hubs have wide variations of end-caps.
    Front - QR: 9/10 TA - 15mm
    Rear for Shimano freehub QR: 170/190, TA: 177/190
    Rear for XD freehub QR: 170/190, TA: 177/197

    Just leave a note during buying at web site.
    But we shall think how to make it more clear.
    For the 120 POE and pardon the noob question: how many actual clicks per 1 wheel revolution on the rear 170 hub? Thank you..
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    4 pawls with 3 teeth each. The hub itself has 120 teeth for those pawls to grab onto. Hence 120 poe. Hopefully the makes some sort of sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonggi View Post
    4 pawls with 3 teeth each. The hub itself has 120 teeth for those pawls to grab onto.....
    Thanks for the input.

    Specs and numbers sometimes becomes an issue of debates here so that's why I asked the main man for the actual count. Or hoping someone from Sarma can chime in.
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    That is correct. 120 clicks per revolution. 3 degrees per click (360 degrees full revolution / 3 degrees per click = 120 clicks).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarma Bikes USA View Post
    That is correct. 120 clicks per revolution. 3 degrees per click (360 degrees full revolution / 3 degrees per click = 120 clicks).
    Any chance for a group buy in the future for your hubs?

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    ^^^thank you, fellas...
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    Bought the 170 rear hub and it came without the axle conversion caps. Browsing thru this thread again and some folks had the same issue in the past.

    Still waiting for an email from Sarma.
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    How has the reliability been on these hubs? I found out WhiteIndustries is not producing the 170mm anymore and I9's are a chunk more.

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    I ended up going the bicycle hub store route instead. $140 for 54poe is fine with me.
    FB340R Fat Bike Rear Hub - 170mm
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdawg21892 View Post
    I ended up going the bicycle hub store route instead. $140 for 54poe is fine with me.
    FB340R Fat Bike Rear Hub - 170mm
    I was looking at those as well. Just not a bunch of feedback on the 170mm. thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by benlowery View Post
    I was looking at those as well. Just not a bunch of feedback on the 170mm. thanks

    Not trying to derail this thread, but it sounds like its the same freehub as the MTB270 inside a wider shell. People have been really loving that hub, so I figured I would give it a go.
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    If only they had 197. I have broken 2 novatec rear hubs now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars_D View Post
    The hope hubs have drag issues. I have been very pleased with my Borealis hubs, which are also pretty reasonably priced.
    i own a pair of hubs, wht my bike mech does is sand down the seal a bit cos it overly tight causing massive friction between freehub and hubs/

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdawg21892 View Post
    Not trying to derail this thread, but it sounds like its the same freehub as the MTB270 inside a wider shell. People have been really loving that hub, so I figured I would give it a go.
    I know this thread is about Sarma hubs but I have a 170mm BHS hub. It is exactly the same as the MTB270, only wider. I've built a bunch of wheels with the 270. Excellent bargain. I haven't laced the 170 mm hub yet, so I can't really speak for it's durability, but... It's the same hub and the 270 is awesome.
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    Update on my Sarma hub purchase:

    CS emailed me back the following day and promptly shipped the missing axle spacers. They even included an extra set. Thank you, folks at Sarma.

    I laced the hub this past weekend. Comparing POE on the same gear, my previous Salsa 3 hub engages at about 4" of crankarm ratchet while the Sarma engages at least 8 times at that same stroke. I'm happy w/ it so far.
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    While Sarma was quick to replace my initially problematic hub, the customer service hasn't been so great this time around. I've been having issues with my hub again and I haven't heard back from the person I was in contact with in over a month. That is inexcusable. Throw Sarma's CS in the bin with the rest of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lstone84 View Post
    While Sarma was quick to replace my initially problematic hub, the customer service hasn't been so great this time around. I've been having issues with my hub again and I haven't heard back from the person I was in contact with in over a month. That is inexcusable. Throw Sarma's CS in the bin with the rest of them.
    Bummer. it's too bad that DT doesn't sell a fat hub at this point, they are stupid easy to fix even if youre out on a trail.
    I wonder if there's any hub that you and your thunderthighs can't break...
    i should start a company making indestructible hubs. they will weigh like 5lbs and i'll call it "Lukeproof"
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    Hell of a jump, dawg. Even though they're baggy shorts, I'm surprised that you can fit your balls into them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdawg21892 View Post
    Bummer. it's too bad that DT doesn't sell a fat hub at this point, they are stupid easy to fix even if youre out on a trail.
    I wonder if there's any hub that you and your thunderthighs can't break...
    i should start a company making indestructible hubs. they will weigh like 5lbs and i'll call it "Lukeproof"
    DT makes Fatbike hubs, DT Swiss Big Ride hubs but they aren't 170.

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    Nice! Are they available on their own? Last I checked there was a prototype wheelset, never heard about it after that though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lstone84 View Post
    While Sarma was quick to replace my initially problematic hub, the customer service hasn't been so great this time around. I've been having issues with my hub again and I haven't heard back from the person I was in contact with in over a month. That is inexcusable. Throw Sarma's CS in the bin with the rest of them.
    Definitely inexcusable if it's been over a month. I hope it gets sorted out to your favor soon. Just curious and 'wondering if you can elaborate more on your broken hub issue; was it a 190 rear w/ QR or TA?

    'would be great if you can share this info for other Sarma hub users as well. I'm using their 170 QR rear hub and stoked w/ it so far.
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    Ill let him speak for himself, but its been Skipping and making funny noises.
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    Hell of a jump, dawg. Even though they're baggy shorts, I'm surprised that you can fit your balls into them.

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