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    Salsa Beargrease

    They've shipped and are arriving at LBS, the Salsa Beargrease! Here is a photo of mine being built at the shop. Post a photo of yours as well. I can't wait for snow!!
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    That is interesting that they ship with the RD rim. I would have thought Marge Lites would be stock on the Salsa fat bike racer.

    That'll be a good looking machine after it's finished! Updates are required!

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    The shop owner s building up a bike with Marge Lites, powder coated yellow, carbon bars, Hope brakes, it'll be a trick bike when complete. I'll post photos of mine, and his bike as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black cross View Post
    The shop owner s building up a bike with Marge Lites, powder coated yellow, carbon bars, Hope brakes, it'll be a trick bike when complete. I'll post photos of mine, and his bike as well.
    Sounds like he's shooting for a 25-26 pound fatty.
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    I'll weigh mine at the shop when I pick it up. I've not ridden a 'regular' fat bike, so I won't know the difference between the two.

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    I'm planning on buying mine next week when they arrive at my shop. It will be my first fatty...I was thinking about the mukluk 2, and am planning on making a final decision when I can ride them side by side, but dang the bg looks sweet. (muk looks like it can run bud and lou, bg would be bud/nate for when speed is not the objective, but that seems like the only think pointing towards the muk. I'll probably end up with the beargrease!

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    Quote Originally Posted by black cross View Post
    I'll weigh mine at the shop when I pick it up. I've not ridden a 'regular' fat bike, so I won't know the difference between the two.
    We need to get all the Wichita Fatbikes together for the Global Fatbike Day ride on the 1st. Where do we ride? Millers Meadow? The dried up Little Arkansas River? I doubt that Air Capital will be ready to ride yet. Some urban fatbiking?
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    what kind of hopes?
    i just ordered some race evo for my MUK....

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    I've almost made the decision to order a frame set. Can anyone help me decide between medium or small?

    I'm 5'8, 160 lbs. with average proportions but I don't actually know my inseam. I plan to build it with Rolling Darryl's and Husker Du's for year-round riding.

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    The Mukluk's run quite big. I am 5'9" with a 31" inseam and quite average arm and leg length. I have a medium 2012 Mukluk 2 with a 100mm stem and feel quite stretched out. But the 2012 has the Salsa bend 2 11 degree bar which bends forward and then back keepong it closer to a straight or 5 degree bar. Could probably go to a 90mm stem. You may be between sizes or closer to a small. It would really be good if you could find one to ride. If you like to ride with a short stem, you could probably go with the medium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawnymac View Post
    what kind of hopes?
    i just ordered some race evo for my MUK....
    Yu keeping that thing??? or getting a Beargrease??

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    I'm 5'11, 160 lbs, 32" inseam, bought a medium complete build and fits fine, after 1 ride.

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    i'm waiting to hear back from you?
    i guess i am going to keep the MUK unless i can sell it for a good price....

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    Waiting my frame to arrive!

    Will be build up with Sram X0, Rolling Darryls (orange), Hope hubs, Husker Dus, 3T carbon bar and seatpost, Selle Italia Flite, Middleburn cranks...

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    Just found out my BG is on its way to the Yukon, shipping today.
    No radical changes as of yet to bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat alberto View Post
    If you like to ride with a short stem, you could probably go with the medium.
    My road bike setup is a very compact frame with a long stem and it's just right for me so I think I'll go with the small Beargrease frame.

    How does a long stem affect handling on single track vs. a short stem?

    Edit: Just found a fitting chart here: Salsa Unveils 2013 Lineup – New Fatbikes, Travel Bikes, Gravel Racers & More - Bike Rumor

    I fall just below the recommended height range for a medium frame set. So my plan is to go with a small frame set, carbon setback seat post, and stem length of 90-110 mm or so.
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    My road bike setup is a very compact frame with a long stem and it's just right for me so I think I'll go with the small Beargrease frame.

    How does a long stem affect handling on single track vs. a short stem?
    I cannot quantify this from a physics standpoint, however in real time the longer stem = slower and shorter = quicker.

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    Can anybody give a ride report yet on their BG? Would love to hear about improvement in climbing efficiency of the BG versus a heavier fatbike.

    I have a BG on order, but still on the fence on whether the 3.5 pounds difference is worth the cost of the upgrade and the loss I will take on selling my Mukluk 2. I'm figuring that the BG will be 29.5 stock with pedals. My ML is currently 33 with pedals.

    The Mukluk 2 will never be able to ovecome the pound in the fork and the pound in the frame that the BG sheds, but I just read that a lighter cassette and chain netted someone a half pound reduction in their Mukluk. Maybe it is possible to get it down to a 2 pound difference.

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    all my parts have arrived. Large Beargrease frameset. XTR shifters, brakes, deraileurs, eThirteen double crank, hope hubs, Schlick 47mm rims, thomson post, salsa promoto bar and stem....

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    have a BG on order, but still on the fence on whether the 3.5 pounds difference is worth the cost of the upgrade and the loss I will take on selling my Mukluk 2. I'm figuring that the BG will be 29.5 stock with pedals. My ML is currently 33 with pedals.
    Would never try to dissuade anyone from buying such a cool new toy, but you do have options with your (2012?) Muk 2 that will get you to Beargrease weights. None of the options are cheap, unfortunately. Mainly you can drop a pound plus in the fork getting a Carver carbon, and if you build a wheelset along the lines of Marge Lite/hope hubs/dt comps and put HuDu's or UL nates on you could lose 2-3lbs in rotation weight. Change the cassette, put a light bar and seat on, and you'd be there.

    The plus side is that you can set up the bike porky for the winter, and switch to the summer dress and presto, like having a brand new bike. The downside is it's not a brand new bike. The geo, however, is basically identical between '12 Muk and '13 BG according to Salsa...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottytheoneandonly View Post
    all my parts have arrived. Large Beargrease frameset. XTR shifters, brakes, deraileurs, eThirteen double crank, hope hubs, Schlick 47mm rims, thomson post, salsa promoto bar and stem....
    thats gonna be light

    awaiting pics and specs once done !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by montana_ben View Post
    Would never try to dissuade anyone from buying such a cool new toy, but you do have options with your (2012?) Muk 2 that will get you to Beargrease weights. None of the options are cheap, unfortunately. Mainly you can drop a pound plus in the fork getting a Carver carbon, and if you build a wheelset along the lines of Marge Lite/hope hubs/dt comps and put HuDu's or UL nates on you could lose 2-3lbs in rotation weight. Change the cassette, put a light bar and seat on, and you'd be there.
    Thanks Montana for thr suggestion on the fork. Hadn't known about the carbon Carver. I see that it is lighter than the BG fork, fits on the 2012 Muk 2 and is really not that expensive. Feel a lot better now about the potentail for getting my Muk's weight down.

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    What's the MSRP on the Beargrease?
    There are three kinds of people: those of us that are good at math and those that are not.

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    A lot of the hype around this bike was the weight, can anyone confirm the stock Meds are actually 28lb ?

    I reckon they look awesome, those blue wheels are sensational !
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    A lot of the hype around this bike was the weight, can anyone confirm the stock Meds are actually 28lb ?

    I reckon they look awesome, those blue wheels are sensational !
    Cycle haven weighed their XL, 29 lbs.

    I'm sure they will be getting a medium soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR2ebike View Post
    Cycle haven weighed their XL, 29 lbs.

    I'm sure they will be getting a medium soon.
    Thats pretty good then. The Med will be in the ballpark hopefully.

    Is the 29lb with pedals ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    Thats pretty good then. The Med will be in the ballpark hopefully.

    Is the 29lb with pedals ?
    No pedals if I recall from reading their Facebook page correctly.

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    Sell '12 Muk 2 for '13 BG?

    I thought long and hard about that. I rode the BG this summer. Is it AWESOME--loved it for single track fun. I also rode the Spearfish and others at the same time. If you are looking for a do-it-most bike for trail and snow, the BG is pretty sweet.

    I tried to figure the $$$ I would need to pony up when selling the Muk2 and buying the BG. It was pretty close to $1000. Maybe more, maybe less, depending on the deals you can swing and your buyer.

    In the end I decided not to go for it. The BG is really cool; if I didn't have a fat-bike I'd buy it over the MUK2.

    Of course, I also like the cheaper Surly offerings for nearly half the dough...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR2ebike View Post
    Cycle haven weighed their XL, 29 lbs.

    I'm sure they will be getting a medium soon.
    I bought one of the mediums from Derrick at Cycle Haven. Adding a couple of personal touches to it. Probably pick it up next week some time. I'll let you know the true weight set up tubeless.

    He has a couple more mediums if anyone wants one...a small & a couple of XLs too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadTony View Post
    I'm planning on buying mine next week when they arrive at my shop. It will be my first fatty...I was thinking about the mukluk 2, and am planning on making a final decision when I can ride them side by side, but dang the bg looks sweet. (muk looks like it can run bud and lou, bg would be bud/nate for when speed is not the objective, but that seems like the only think pointing towards the muk. I'll probably end up with the beargrease!
    Rode the bg yesterday. Amazing looking bike, and I loved how it felt. Deposit placed. I pick it up tomorrow! That's something to be thankful for!

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    Beargrease frameset Large
    XTR deraileurs, shifters brake levers & calipers
    XT cassette, chain and rotors
    eThirteen double (from fatbikes.com.. this is the old style crank arm & bb)
    Hope Hubs
    Schlick rims 47mm (wheelset was built by Schlick in Milwaukee)
    Cane Creek headset (40 upper, 110 lower)
    Salsa Pro Moto stem (110)
    Salsa Pro Moto carbon bar
    Salsa skewers
    Salsa seat collar
    Thomson elite post
    Flite Ti saddle
    Crank Bros 3 pedals

    This bike weighs just barely over 27lbs with pedals and everything you see in the picture.

    The two reasons I didn't buy a stock Beargrease was that I don't like Sram 10sp and I didn't want the heavy wheelset that comes stock.

    I'm using a Larry and Endo tire combo with tubes. Still waiting for the new batch of 45Nrth tires, which I will run tubeless. I'm also going to swap out the stem for a Thomson and replace the saddle with an SLR.

    This bike could be a lot lighter. I decided to save a few dollars on rotors, cassette and chain and use XT. That meant a heavier cassette. But this bike will see a lot of gravel roads this winter and plenty of wet riding. I knew I'd thrash the cassette and chain, so the prospect of ruining $400 worth of drivechain in under 16wks made me err on the side of value instead of weight. For my neck of the woods I could also get away with a 1x10 and save half a pound at least. But I plan to do all of the Great Lakes Fat Bike Series races as well as some fun riding in the northcountry this winter and I know I'll need a granny to get through it. I had originally purchased a Carver O'Beast fork. Its 200grams lighter than the Beargrease fork. But after riding a Beargrease Demo bike I decided against using the Carver. There are also lighter bits and pieces out there.. like carbon posts and ti pedals. However, I've long been riding a combo of Thomson/Salsa parts and stainless steel pedals. I think it's the best combination of value/durability/weight.

    On single track this bike handles an awful lot like my Mamasita hardtail (which has the same drivetrain & brakes). Handling is like a hardtail mountain bike and much different from the Stock 2011 Mukluk 3 I was riding last winter. The Schlick rims, even with heavy wire bead tires and tubes make the wheels feel amazingly light. They also narrow the contact patch a lot, which makes for better rolling on gravel roads. The Beargrease fork is amazingly stiff. Stiffer than any of the carbon fat forks available and lighter than all but one of them. The tapered headtube and steerer are a big part of that. I've used many rigid forks on my 29ers over the years, everything from a Niner to White Bros to several custom steel ones. This fork is the best rigid one I've ever had. The Beargrease frame is also amazingly stiff. The drawn tubing and wide bb and headtube make this bike feel like riding a high end MTB. Compared to all the steel frames (stock & custom) and even last year's Muks this thing is hands down the best fatbike I've ever pedalled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottytheoneandonly View Post


    Beargrease frameset Large
    XTR deraileurs, shifters brake levers & calipers
    XT cassette, chain and rotors
    eThirteen double (from fatbikes.com.. this is the old style crank arm & bb)
    Hope Hubs
    Schlick rims 47mm (wheelset was built by Schlick in Milwaukee)
    Cane Creek headset (40 upper, 110 lower)
    Salsa Pro Moto stem (110)
    Salsa Pro Moto carbon bar
    Salsa skewers
    Salsa seat collar
    Thomson elite post
    Flite Ti saddle
    Crank Bros 3 pedals

    This bike weighs just barely over 27lbs with pedals and everything you see in the picture.

    The two reasons I didn't buy a stock Beargrease was that I don't like Sram 10sp and I didn't want the heavy wheelset that comes stock.

    I'm using a Larry and Endo tire combo with tubes. Still waiting for the new batch of 45Nrth tires, which I will run tubeless. I'm also going to swap out the stem for a Thomson and replace the saddle with an SLR.

    This bike could be a lot lighter. I decided to save a few dollars on rotors, cassette and chain and use XT. That meant a heavier cassette. But this bike will see a lot of gravel roads this winter and plenty of wet riding. I knew I'd thrash the cassette and chain, so the prospect of ruining $400 worth of drivechain in under 16wks made me err on the side of value instead of weight. For my neck of the woods I could also get away with a 1x10 and save half a pound at least. But I plan to do all of the Great Lakes Fat Bike Series races as well as some fun riding in the northcountry this winter and I know I'll need a granny to get through it. I had originally purchased a Carver O'Beast fork. Its 200grams lighter than the Beargrease fork. But after riding a Beargrease Demo bike I decided against using the Carver. There are also lighter bits and pieces out there.. like carbon posts and ti pedals. However, I've long been riding a combo of Thomson/Salsa parts and stainless steel pedals. I think it's the best combination of value/durability/weight.

    On single track this bike handles an awful lot like my Mamasita hardtail (which has the same drivetrain & brakes). Handling is like a hardtail mountain bike and much different from the Stock 2011 Mukluk 3 I was riding last winter. The Schlick rims, even with heavy wire bead tires and tubes make the wheels feel amazingly light. They also narrow the contact patch a lot, which makes for better rolling on gravel roads. The Beargrease fork is amazingly stiff. Stiffer than any of the carbon fat forks available and lighter than all but one of them. The tapered headtube and steerer are a big part of that. I've used many rigid forks on my 29ers over the years, everything from a Niner to White Bros to several custom steel ones. This fork is the best rigid one I've ever had. The Beargrease frame is also amazingly stiff. The drawn tubing and wide bb and headtube make this bike feel like riding a high end MTB. Compared to all the steel frames (stock & custom) and even last year's Muks this thing is hands down the best fatbike I've ever pedalled.
    Awesome build and super light, great job. I can't blame you for doing a custom build, I don't think the stock version is a good bang for the buck.

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    Great build. I am getting ready to buy a beargrease if i can get my hands on one. I have found a size Large but was looking for an XL. Just curious, what is your saddle height in this picture? Measured from the center of BB to top of saddle. Enjoy that new bike.
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    Beargrease frameset Large
    XTR deraileurs, shifters brake levers & calipers
    XT cassette, chain and rotors
    eThirteen double (from fatbikes.com.. this is the old style crank arm & bb)
    Hope Hubs
    Schlick rims 47mm (wheelset was built by Schlick in Milwaukee)
    Cane Creek headset (40 upper, 110 lower)
    Salsa Pro Moto stem (110)
    Salsa Pro Moto carbon bar
    Salsa skewers
    Salsa seat collar
    Thomson elite post
    Flite Ti saddle
    Crank Bros 3 pedals

    This bike weighs just barely over 27lbs with pedals and everything you see in the picture.

    The two reasons I didn't buy a stock Beargrease was that I don't like Sram 10sp and I didn't want the heavy wheelset that comes stock.

    I'm using a Larry and Endo tire combo with tubes. Still waiting for the new batch of 45Nrth tires, which I will run tubeless. I'm also going to swap out the stem for a Thomson and replace the saddle with an SLR.

    This bike could be a lot lighter. I decided to save a few dollars on rotors, cassette and chain and use XT. That meant a heavier cassette. But this bike will see a lot of gravel roads this winter and plenty of wet riding. I knew I'd thrash the cassette and chain, so the prospect of ruining $400 worth of drivechain in under 16wks made me err on the side of value instead of weight. For my neck of the woods I could also get away with a 1x10 and save half a pound at least. But I plan to do all of the Great Lakes Fat Bike Series races as well as some fun riding in the northcountry this winter and I know I'll need a granny to get through it. I had originally purchased a Carver O'Beast fork. Its 200grams lighter than the Beargrease fork. But after riding a Beargrease Demo bike I decided against using the Carver. There are also lighter bits and pieces out there.. like carbon posts and ti pedals. However, I've long been riding a combo of Thomson/Salsa parts and stainless steel pedals. I think it's the best combination of value/durability/weight.

    On single track this bike handles an awful lot like my Mamasita hardtail (which has the same drivetrain & brakes). Handling is like a hardtail mountain bike and much different from the Stock 2011 Mukluk 3 I was riding last winter. The Schlick rims, even with heavy wire bead tires and tubes make the wheels feel amazingly light. They also narrow the contact patch a lot, which makes for better rolling on gravel roads. The Beargrease fork is amazingly stiff. Stiffer than any of the carbon fat forks available and lighter than all but one of them. The tapered headtube and steerer are a big part of that. I've used many rigid forks on my 29ers over the years, everything from a Niner to White Bros to several custom steel ones. This fork is the best rigid one I've ever had. The Beargrease frame is also amazingly stiff. The drawn tubing and wide bb and headtube make this bike feel like riding a high end MTB. Compared to all the steel frames (stock & custom) and even last year's Muks this thing is hands down the best fatbike I've ever pedalled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LFJ View Post
    Great build. I am getting ready to buy a beargrease if i can get my hands on one. I have found a size Large but was looking for an XL. Just curious, what is your saddle height in this picture? Measured from the center of BB to top of saddle. Enjoy that new bike.
    I run 30.25" measured that way. I'm 6'1" tall. That's a 410mm Thomson setback post. Not sure how many MM are in the frame, but there's plenty left. My wife rides a medium frame and runs a 410mm post set 31" above the bb spindle.

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    ok

    Thanks, that helps. I run 32" center of BB to top of saddle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scottytheoneandonly View Post
    I run 30.25" measured that way. I'm 6'1" tall. That's a 410mm Thomson setback post. Not sure how many MM are in the frame, but there's plenty left. My wife rides a medium frame and runs a 410mm post set 31" above the bb spindle.

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    Very nice !! Congrats on the custom build.
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    Scotty, very nice build, thanks for posting the pictures. I'll be fun to get some time on snow with our BG's

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    Got my new beargrease out for a ride today on dry Denver area singletrack. (16.5 mi, 1300 feet of climbing, lots of fast descending and twisty gravel-over-hardpack. I love the traction and predictable break-away of the tires. The gearing was great. I did take note that it was less jumpy and more pumpy than my stumpjumper, and much harder to accelerate, but it was a blast to ride! This will be my new social ride bike, and I can't wait to get it on snow!

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    Very soon...

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    FYI I just got my large Beargrease last night. Had preplanned a little and swapped tubes for Qtubes ultralight 3" ers and my specialized toupe saddle. Borrowed saddle and $20 in tubes for a weight of 28.1 lbs. not bad huh. Glad I didn't go another route and spend my self to death just to get "close". Now I can put some into a bar, lighter cassette and maybe lighter rims and hubs/wheel set and get into serious territory. Meanwhile it's freakin amazing as is. Rolls up way better than the twenty2 bully and surly versions I've ridden. Now for some snow.............

    And that's without pedals.
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    First ride of the year at -32c on my new BG

    Looks like we might have different weather here. My first ride today on my new Bear was at -32c. A quick loop on our local river trail was enuf to get a great feel for this awesome bike! WOW...
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    I recommend the Medium...I am 5'5" and ride the small, with the seatpost jacked up as high as it safely should go. It fits great, but with those extra 3" you should go medium.

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    Here's mine. Only mod so far was swapping out the blue hoops and setting up the black ones tubeless. Gonna roll it Saturday for the first boogie session
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    Here's mine. Only mod so far was swapping out the blue hoops and setting up the black ones tubeless. Gonna roll it Saturday for the first boogie session
    That looks much much better with the black rims.

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    That looks much much better with the black rims.
    naaaaa no way, blk is well blk and meh.

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    I'm loving these reviews. I ride a Mukluk 2 and LOVE IT!! If anyone has ridden both and can compare it would be great. My Mukluk 2 weighs in at 34 pounds, sounds like the Beargrease could be brought in under 30 pounds rather easily. I'm glad my LBS doesn't have one in stock or I would own two fatbikes right now.

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    Looks like we might have different weather here. My first ride today on my new Bear was at -32c. A quick loop on our local river trail was enuf to get a great feel for this awesome bike! WOW...
    that reeks freekin COLD and that's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by custardninja View Post
    That looks much much better with the black rims.
    Thanks Custard, I'm lovin' the look so far. I have a few more goodies on order but nothing to "blingy"
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    Quote Originally Posted by curly1 View Post
    I'm loving these reviews. I ride a Mukluk 2 and LOVE IT!! If anyone has ridden both and can compare it would be great. My Mukluk 2 weighs in at 34 pounds, sounds like the Beargrease could be brought in under 30 pounds rather easily. I'm glad my LBS doesn't have one in stock or I would own two fatbikes right now.
    A med frame is 28 pounds out of the box.
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    I can understand the move to lighter wheels but i really like the colour of the stock blueys
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    So I have now seen a BG with Blue, Black and Yellow wheels. Anyone tried red wheels, or some other color? May have to try my red ML's on one at the LBS just for grins...
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    the blue wheels matches sky!

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    GT554, what black rims did you use? Go to a Marge Lite for even more weight savings or ?

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    For the other weight weenies out there, my small frame weighs in at about 1567 grams and the fork is 735 g uncut (that might include the headset race though).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brogrease View Post
    GT554, what black rims did you use? Go to a Marge Lite for even more weight savings or ?
    No, I wanted to go with the wider Daryll's b/c we do a lot of beach riding here on Long Island. I have the Lites on my Pugz and always feel like I'm working a bit harder then the guys on the wider wheels.
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    My Beargrease, size L, weight 12.7kg as pictured



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    ^^^
    Orange wheels. Love it!
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    me too

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    Nice build! Is that a 180 rr brake set up?
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    Nice build! Is that a 180 rr brake set up?
    my guess is 203/205 setup

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    Brakes are 185mm

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    Brakes are 185mm
    think i'll give up the guessing

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    I built a Beargrease up from the frameset. Weight is 27 pounds 10 ounce with Rolling Darryls and the Escalators and 28 pounds 7 ounces with the Clown Shoes and BFL. That's with pedals, but no cages, so add a few ounces back for those. I replaced last year's Mukluk 2 with this bike and that weighed in at 32 pounds and a few ounces. I notice the additional stiffness of the fork, but that may be the aluminum blades or the tapered steer tube and the bike is definitely easier to get up to speed due to the weight loss. I wish the bottom bracket were higher like this year's Mukluks, but that is about all I'd change.

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    my local Salsa dealer can't get these since they are sold out.

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    saw a beautifully decked out BG yesterday at our race. All blue -- looked sharp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GT554 View Post
    A med frame is 28 pounds out of the box.
    ... until you put pedals on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a2gtinut View Post
    my local Salsa dealer can't get these since they are sold out.
    Where do you live and what size frame do you need?
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    Beargrease in it's "Element"

    I got to ride my Beargrease in some snow this weekend. Husker Du tires hooked up well
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    Where do you live and what size frame do you need?
    NJ, either XS for wife and/or M for myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a2gtinut View Post
    NJ, either XS for wife and/or M for myself.
    Try Cycle Heaven on Long Island. They might have one more medium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GT554 View Post
    Try Cycle Heaven on Long Island. They might have one more medium.
    They have both sizes in stock...https://www.facebook.com/pages/CYCLE...11338492337632

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    Salsa Beargrease-imageuploadedbytapatalk1354677310.073913.jpg

    Stock build except for the following:

    Ashima rotors
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    New saddle and seatpost are up next

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnyquist View Post

    New saddle and seatpost are up next
    Give that saddle a shot. That almost always seems to be my first "mod" but I'm lovin' this WTB...very comfy
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    GT554, you are right. I rode on the stock WTB today and have no complaints. New saddle is already on the way, so it will be a tough choice. So happy with this bike!

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    Chainring protection

    I have had my beargrease a few weeks abd love it. I'm looking to protect my chainring from logs and rocks. Any one have any ideas what would work best for this bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShamusWave View Post
    Brakes are 185mm
    What brake calipers are you using?

    I have a Beargrease frame on order and I'm baffled by the fact that it has 51mm I.S. brake mounts while all the new high-end brakes seem to be post mount. I may even have to start a new thread about this.

    Until then, can anyone recommend brakes for a light Beargrease build?

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    I have Sram X0 -brakes

    and posing pic from today...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrY10cK View Post
    Until then, can anyone recommend brakes for a light Beargrease build?
    I am only installing the rear brake. I have seen a couple racers do this at the Triple-D in Dubuque. I figure the snow does a pretty good job of stopping me, and I only plan on riding it in the snow or sand (maybe). I will evaluate if it is sufficient for winter trail use.

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    The rear brake only thing sounds like it might work for racing a fat bike.

    But I frequently go down steep rocky trails carrying a heavy load. I need good modulation both front and rear.
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    Best fat bike? Recommendations?

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    Best fat bike? I think it depends on what you want to do with it. Mukluks have rack mounts, Beargrease does not, but its a lighter bike.

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    Replacing a few parts on my BG soon. X7 shifters are being replaced with X9. Brakes are being dumped for some Formula R1 Racing brakes. Seatpost swapped for an Easton EC90 zero setback. I will also be swapping the saddle for a Selle Italia SLR kit Carbonio flow. Upgrades should be complete before Christmas.

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    shamus, that looks like a nice build!
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    and middle burn cranks?
    that bad boy MUST be light....
    your 29er may float over roots and rocks, but my superlight 26 just plain floats

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    upgrading hydraulic brakes on BG

    Quote Originally Posted by mnyquist View Post
    Replacing a few parts on my BG soon. X7 shifters are being replaced with X9. Brakes are being dumped for some Formula R1 Racing brakes. Seatpost swapped for an Easton EC90 zero setback. I will also be swapping the saddle for a Selle Italia SLR kit Carbonio flow. Upgrades should be complete before Christmas.
    Can you give feedback once you have the Formula's you are replacing as I am not happy with the Avids that were supplied with standard build on the BearGrease! I am planning on using the Bear for year round bikepacking/multi day trips and need a brake system I can rely on as out terrain is quite unforgiving. ie. some pretty steep descents with a load...

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    I will be sure to follow up with my opinion on the R1s. I have used them on a FS 29rr and a HT 29er and have found them to be powerful and reliable. A bit grabby. I am 145lbs and run . 160/140mm. Advice on this forum pointed to hope brakes, but I won an EBay auction on the formulas.

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    Just got my Beargrease Wednesday, first ride today @ New Fane trails in the Northern Kettles in WI.

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    I was finally able to do a test ride of a beargrease at a salsa demo day; certainly has made me want to get a fat bike now!

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    New seatpost and saddle installed. X9 shifters and new headset next (had some issues with the stock one.) brakes are next!

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    mnyquist,

    What headset do you choose? My Beargrease frame set should be here this week and I'm looking to do a light weight build.

    I can only afford the Formula RX brakes and I've been looking at light weight rotors. I've read about problems with the KCNC ones. I haven't decided on 180mm or 160mm.

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    Cane creek 110, per my LBS recommendation.

    I was looking at RX brakes, as well but went with R1 because I won an Ebay auction (R1 racing).

    I have used Ashima rotors with formula brakes in the past with good results. My last HT 29er had R1 with Ashima 160/140. I have read that you should use sintered pads, however. I used the stock organic pads...they did make some noise, but power was good. I will be using 160/140 Ashima on my BG, as well.

    Keep us posted on your build!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnyquist View Post
    Keep us posted on your build!
    Thank you for the info. I'm afraid I won't have much to report until spring as I buy a few part each month. I'll be ready for next winter though!

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    I thought I would wait to post until I had a few miles on mine (and I was out on a daylight ride, man the days are short right now!).

    Built this up from the frame. Comes in at 26.1 lbs as pictures. I have a Carver fork on order though so it should be sub-26 when its done. That's with the Rolling Daryll front and rear.

    Turns out the Ti seatpost is a little to springy for use on this bike, I get some serious pedal bob. I think its amplifying the effect of the tire. So I'm switching that out. I'm also going to switch to a longer (130mm) stem. I like my weight forward on a snowbike for better rear wheel float.... but a small frame might be too small for me, stuck with it cause all the mediums are sold out!

    So far, its proving a lot more capable than my old bike in today's 'extreme' conditions of 6-7" of heavy wet snow. Turning is difficult, but in a straight line or gentle turn it just plows right through the stuff.

    My only complaint about the bike is the finish of the frame. Its too coarse, so mud sticks to it and its really hard to scrub off. A snow bike should be polished so you can wax it and keep snow (and/or mud) from building up in wet conditions. I tried to was the frame, but I don't think it worked very well. As you can see in the photo, I should have waxed the wheels!
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    What's that thing sticking out of your stem?
    Nice Bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR2ebike View Post
    What's that thing sticking out of your stem?
    Nice Bike!
    That would be every spare headset spacer I own. I can't wait for the Carver fork to get here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FishMan473 View Post

    My only complaint about the bike is the finish of the frame. Its too coarse, so mud sticks to it and its really hard to scrub off. A snow bike should be polished so you can wax it and keep snow (and/or mud) from building up in wet conditions. I tried to was the frame, but I don't think it worked very well. As you can see in the photo, I should have waxed the wheels!
    You need to Grease that Bear...Try Pedros Bike Lust or good old Pam cooking spray...spray on, buff and ride. I would think snow and mud would not stand a chance.
    .. If I see this bike on display with those GT bars, I am bringing my hacksaw!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FishMan473 View Post
    I thought I would wait to post until I had a few miles on mine (and I was out on a daylight ride, man the days are short right now!).

    Built this up from the frame. Comes in at 26.1 lbs as pictures. I have a Carver fork on order though so it should be sub-26 when its done. That's with the Rolling Daryll front and rear.

    Turns out the Ti seatpost is a little to springy for use on this bike, I get some serious pedal bob. I think its amplifying the effect of the tire. So I'm switching that out. I'm also going to switch to a longer (130mm) stem. I like my weight forward on a snowbike for better rear wheel float.... but a small frame might be too small for me, stuck with it cause all the mediums are sold out!

    So far, its proving a lot more capable than my old bike in today's 'extreme' conditions of 6-7" of heavy wet snow. Turning is difficult, but in a straight line or gentle turn it just plows right through the stuff.

    My only complaint about the bike is the finish of the frame. Its too coarse, so mud sticks to it and its really hard to scrub off. A snow bike should be polished so you can wax it and keep snow (and/or mud) from building up in wet conditions. I tried to was the frame, but I don't think it worked very well. As you can see in the photo, I should have waxed the wheels!
    How much lighter is the Carver fork. My small is perfect although the Porcelain Rocket frame bag that is on its way may be a bit on the small side as there is not too much room there. Will have to try the wax on wheels

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek.Endress View Post
    How much lighter is the Carver fork.:
    Claimed weight for the Beargrease fork is 720g, mine weighted in at roughly 735. Claimed weight on the Carver fork (and measured by a bunch of people so I believe its pretty close) is 576 g. So 150-160 grams lighter, about 1/3rd pound! I've heard very good things about the ride quality of the Carver fork too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Om Flyer View Post
    Try Pedros Bike Lust or good old Pam cooking spray...spray on, buff and ride.
    Brilliant!

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    Awesome! I love the weight......how about a quick run down on components as I'm interested in the same goal. Thanks

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    fishman473: might it be more likely the bounce is coming from the saddle rails? with the saddle set so far back on the rails, its going to make it act as a cantilever.... still, a stiffer post or one with longer rail clamps may help? sweet bike btw. :-)~
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    here's my build list. Some of the weights are measured, some are claimed, some are pulled from the interweb, but they must be pretty close cause the final weight is almost exactly what I measured. Then again, I don't think this take into account the ridiculous stack of headset spacers I have above my stem.

    A couple thoughts:

    - You could drop perhaps a quarter pound more if you went with a lighter seatpost and saddle.

    - As I said in a previous post a Carver Carbon O'Beast fork would save about 155 grams.

    - A few grams could be saved with a lighter seat clamp and exchanging some steel bolts for Al/Ti.

    - I'm sure there's a lighter crankset option out there but this was the cheapest option for me, and not too heavy.

    - Went with brass nipples due to erosion concerns. Obviously if weight was your main target, Marge Light rims would save substantial weight over the Rolling Darylls (160g per wheel).

    - If you can find some UL Casing Larrys you could save another 200 g compared to my build.

    - I removed the headset badge, bottle cage bolts and drilled a bunch more holes in the rims. Total weight loss through these no/low-cost means was over 150 grams.

    - Q-tubes Superlights could save you another 50-60 grams of rotating weight, but they were out of stock when I tried to order them. Tubeless set-ups are actually heavier than these large-volume standard MTB tubes.

    - Some people aren't going to want to loose the front brake. it saves well over a pound and In the 30 miles I have ridden this bike so far it hasn't been an issue. I am planning on getting one set up with a hing on the bar clamp so I can install/remove it easily. The one-brake set-up might be race day only, but in my past experience I find that the snow acts as a pretty good brake on its own.

    In conclusion, a sub-25 lbs fat bike is now entirely possible, depends on how much you are willing to spend and what performance compromises you are willing to make.
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    FishMan473,

    Regarding your Phil Wood BB, how long is the spindle?

    I'm trying to puzzle out my Beargrease drivetrain and I'm wondering how your setup compares to the 100mm x 148mm FSA BB I'm going to try to use (because it's on hand).

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    Do you know the weight of the pro moto 2 stem ?

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    After mounting my Escalators I've gotten my fully geared (size large) beargrease down to 25.89lbs. That's with tubes and a 2x10 drivetrain and pedals

    If I was to tweek the parts mix a bit I am confident that I could shave another full pound from the total weight. In fact, after winter's over I may do just that and make it my full time XC bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrY10cK View Post
    FishMan473,

    Regarding your Phil Wood BB, how long is the spindle?

    I'm trying to puzzle out my Beargrease drivetrain and I'm wondering how your setup compares to the 100mm x 148mm FSA BB I'm going to try to use (because it's on hand).
    I had my shop order my BB for me so I'm not sure on the measurements, but I know its the shortest one they offer, I wanted the lowest q-factor possible. So I guess you can check their website to see which one I have. In the big cog and small ring it clears the tire with >5mm to spare so I think its all good. I am running it set up a little bit towards the drive side with a few theads of the retainer ring sticking out on that side, but the crank arms are exactly the same distance from the chain stays, as far as I can tell just by looking at it anyway. I want to say that there is an option for an off-set and a non-offset 100mm Phil Wood BB, I would suggest getting the offset, assuming the offset is to the drive side.

    I was not aware that FSA offered a fatbike BB, not a square taper anyway, I saw that the FSA Platinum DH is available for ISIS cranksets.

    I should also mention I am running 2x9 with a 32/22 up front. If I had it to do again I'd probably go with a 34 big ring, this bike is surprisingly fast on hard surfaces!
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    BTW, does anyone know if you can fit a 100mm rim in a Beargrease? Is that going to make the tire too big to fit in the frame/around the drivetrain? I have a friend running 80 up front and 100 in back with 3.7-4.0 tires on a Fatback and it seems like a pretty smart set-up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FishMan473 View Post
    I was not aware that FSA offered a fatbike BB, not a square taper anyway, I saw that the FSA Platinum DH is available for ISIS cranksets.

    I should also mention I am running 2x9 with a 32/22 up front. If I had it to do again I'd probably go with a 34 big ring, this bike is surprisingly fast on hard surfaces!
    All I have is road bike parts except for the 100mm x 148mm Isis BB. So I'm going to try 1 x something drivetrain, FSA Isis crank with 34t chain ring. Maybe Sram XX1 or there's a company that makes giant MTB cogs you can buy one at a time. I have the bookmark somewhere but I'm not going to look for it unless somebody really wants it.
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    Here's the relevant page from the Salsa website:
    Salsa Cycles | Bikes | Beargrease Frameset

    It says,
    Rear Tire Clearance
    Designed for 26 x 4.0" tires on 82mm rims with full drivetrain, 4.0" tires or BFL on 100mm rims with modified drivetrain (emphasis mine). Not compatible with Surly Lou or Knard tires

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrY10cK View Post
    FishMan473,

    Here's the relevant page from the Salsa website:
    Salsa Cycles | Bikes | Beargrease Frameset

    It says,
    Bummer. Just for shits and giggles I'm going to grab his wheel at some point and see if it fits in my frame. I can't imagine the Clown Shoes would make the tire that much wider where it matters for frame/chain clearance.
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    The quote from Salsa says not compatible with Lou or Knard tires. Do they mean Lou or Bud tires? I thought the Knards were "normal" fat sized. I was planning on running Knards front and rear on my BG.

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    deuxdiesel,

    The way I read it, Lou and Knard wil not fit on the rear of a Beargrease. The fork will take up to a 4.8" tire on a 100mm rim.

    I'm thinking about running a 4.7" BFL on 82mm Rolling Darryl up front for float and 4.0" Husker Du on 65mm Marge LIte out back for bite.

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    Yes, that's how it reads, but I wonder if they are talking about the 29" Knard? The 26 x 3.8 can't be that wide, can they?

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    fatbikes.com says:
    You could say these tires are 4.8 Nates ....
    Fatbikes.com Surly Lou 4.8" 120tpi Folding Tire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottytheoneandonly View Post
    After mounting my Escalators I've gotten my fully geared (size large) beargrease down to 25.89lbs. That's with tubes and a 2x10 drivetrain and pedals

    If I was to tweek the parts mix a bit I am confident that I could shave another full pound from the total weight. In fact, after winter's over I may do just that and make it my full time XC bike.
    Do you have a picture of your build or a parts list?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twebb View Post
    Do you have a picture of your build or a parts list?
    pic in the Beargrease thread on page 2..

    Beargrease frameset
    Schlick Northpaw rims laced to Hope hubs
    Escalator tires w/QBP downhill tubes
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    XTR deraileurs, shifters, brake levers/calipers
    XT rotors, cassette, chain
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    I could lighten her up a bit. might get an SLR saddle when winter's over. XTR Rotors, Cassette & Chain will shave some weight. My ethirteen crank is the old tripple. If I were to upgrade to the new double specific model I'd shave some more weight.
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    Sweet ride Shamus.

    Square taper bb or external?
    I see hills.

    I want to climb them.

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    Isis bb

    Wife has Middleburs with external bb on her Mukluk

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    Sort of forgot about the isis. Cool.
    I see hills.

    I want to climb them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShamusWave View Post
    Isis bb

    Wife has Middleburs with external bb on her Mukluk
    Hm. Do you happen to know weight of your crankset w/bb? I have something in the making, and I'm pondering the options

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    Good day to ride!

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    Hey Scotty how do you like the Schlick wheel setup? I'm think of the same for my hard pack wheel set and keeping the HRD's for floaty loose stuff. What do they do to the footprint of the escalators? Width? Thanks for the help and great build you have there!

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    A few more upgrades:

    Formula R1 racing brakes
    Cane Creek 110 headset
    SRAM X9 shifters

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnyquist View Post
    A few more upgrades:

    Formula R1 racing brakes
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    NIce! I was at Trails Edge this afternoon and got to check it out in person. Very sweet rig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumpyOne View Post
    NIce! I was at Trails Edge this afternoon and got to check it out in person. Very sweet rig.

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    Thanks! I am really enjoying this bike.

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    Mine;
    M Frame
    CC 40 headset
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    SRAM TT500's on Paul's Thumbies
    X9 front and rear derailliers with 12-36 PG1090 cassette
    e13 3x10 crank, heavy flat DH pedals
    Neon 47 mm trails rims laced to Hope Fatsno's with db spokes
    Knard 120 UL front and rear (disappointed with weight, almost 1300 ea.)
    stock Surly Toobs, Fizik saddle, ESI grips, ribbon and Gorilla Tape rims strips.
    just a touch under 29 lbs- Eggbeaters and lighter tubes will help a little
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyttyra View Post
    Hm. Do you happen to know weight of your crankset w/bb? I have something in the making, and I'm pondering the options
    Sorry, didt weight them. But they are light

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    Has anyone outfitted their BG with Frame Bags yet? Curious to hear thoughts on this and would love to see pics. I'm very close to pulling the trigger on a BG but plan on using it for adventuring as well as occasional racing. Was actually planning on a Necro until I test road the BG. Only concern at this point is cargo space for occasional camping. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by igere View Post
    Has anyone outfitted their BG with Frame Bags yet? Curious to hear thoughts on this and would love to see pics. I'm very close to pulling the trigger on a BG but plan on using it for adventuring as well as occasional racing. Was actually planning on a Necro until I test road the BG. Only concern at this point is cargo space for occasional camping. Thanks.
    I am just about to receive the last of my full bike packing bags from Porcelain Rocket. I have been using the Seatbag and Handlebar bag regularly for the last month. Frame and top tube bags should be here today Here are some pics posted of them as he builds and completes and will post once they are all on the BG as well

    I had a Mukluk 3 and sold it to buy a BG for this reason mostly. Lite touring with bags and a small 20l technical pack. Trouble was i could carry too much on the Muk3 and planning on getting an Alpacka Yukon Yak to do some longer trail/river trips with the Bear I am pretty confident I can strip things i don't need to carry to go lighter, faster and further!
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    I got a Salsa frame bag for my Beargrease for Christmas. I'll post photos of it. The fit is spot on. I'm planning on adding a seat bag from Relevant Designs as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShamusWave View Post


    Wow i always thought the beargrase look ugly.. And it Is stock.. But that combo of. Orange rims with the black blue accents look amazing

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    My Beargrease

    with out pedals, 2x10 and downhill tubes
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    Quote Originally Posted by besoft View Post
    with out pedals, 2x10 and downhill tubes
    How did you get the graphics off?!!! Do tell!

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    Looks killer all black, how'd you do it?
    How will you ride it without pedals?

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    Hmmm... How can it be that light? Mine is 27.5lbs with: Time Atac-pedals.

    I have XO gears, brakes, no front derailleur, Middleburn cranks, 3T carbon post and bar.
    Flite-saddle, Rolling Darryls, freeride tubes and BFL tires.

    So pedals 300gr + 300gr from tyres.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShamusWave View Post
    Hmmm... How can it be that light? Mine is 27.5lbs with: Time Atac-pedals.

    I have XO gears, brakes, no front derailleur, Middleburn cranks, 3T carbon post and bar.
    Flite-saddle, Rolling Darryls, freeride tubes and BFL tires.

    So pedals 300gr + 300gr from tyres.
    It can be that light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR2ebike View Post
    Looks killer all black, how'd you do it?
    I'm doing it!!! Once I find out how

    I'll play w/ it tomorrow & figure it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR2ebike View Post
    It can be that light.
    I am thinking that the front tire could be touching the ground?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    I am thinking that the front tire could be touching the ground?
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    It can be that light.
    but not as it hangs

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    Quote Originally Posted by hbourj View Post
    25 kg. Very Heavy !
    25 pounds = 11.34 Kilograms

    This is not an unlikly weight...I can confirm other 25 lbs BG's in my area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Om Flyer View Post
    25 pounds = 11.34 Kilograms

    This is not an unlikly weight...I can confirm other 25 lbs BG's in my area.

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    There is absolutely no doubt in my mind what one can do with some cash and know how to get the weight down A number of BG owners were getting ready for this purchasing lighter parts before they even had their bikes in hand. I just don't have the cash yet will shave some weight as I get better components ie. brakes, shifters, derailleurs! as i plan on riding this bike for quite some time

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    its got marge lights not darryls, so some weight loss there

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    The stock Beargrease weight is just fine by me. I stopped by the LBS on Monday, they had a new 2012 Moonlander for $1880 and a Beargrease for $3k. The Moonlander looked like the obvious choice due to the price, until I lifted the Beargrease and felt how light it was compared to the Moonlander, and then rode it through the showroom. Man that Beargrease is nice.

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    After seeing the other murdered out BG and already having the black wheels/tape I had to do it. Still up in the air about the Beargrease graphic so I let it be for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GT554 View Post
    After seeing the other murdered out BG and already having the black wheels/tape I had to do it. Still up in the air about the Beargrease graphic so I let it be for now.
    I love it! How did you remove the graphics?

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    Decided to throw my BG on the scale tonight. Definitely a light fat bike (28lbs, 3oz), but I did think it was going to be lighter based on the upgrades I have made.

    These are my changes from stock:

    X9 Trigger shifters
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    Pedals: Egg Beater 2ti with short titanium spindles
    Profile Designs Carbon Cage
    Garmin Mount on stem

    I have ordered a set of Q-Tubes superlight presta tubes (should drop significant weight)
    ordered an arundel side loader for the seat tube
    Also will upgrade the cassette and throw on a new chain before Barry Roubaix (gravel road race) in March.

    Admittedly, I am a bit of a weight weenie. Logically, I know that a losing few grams aren't going to increase my enjoyment of this bike...

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    Mnyquist, thats an impressive list of upgrades, i would have thought it would have been lighter that that too.
    Sounds like you need to try another set of scales ? What size is the bike ?

    The Q's are just over 200g so will save you a good bit even over DH tubes.

    I run Arundel Dave-O's on all bikes, never tried their side loaders, awesome cages !
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    ozzybmx, the frame is a medium. Not sure why it isn't lighter. I will weigh it again when I throw the Q-tubes in.

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    Im just surprised going on your upgrades, carbon seat/bars/post, formula R1's with ashimas, ti wife beaters ect.... somebody scales are telling porkies.

    If you have surly tubes in there those babies weigh haffa kilo each, the q's will lose you about 600g, that drops you to 27lb (if you are running surlys), its just strange as you cant go much lighter except changing wheels and they are only 170g per wheel heavier than margeLites, 320g all up

    I would have definately thought it would have been a good 1.5lb lighter than it is. As you said, it wont take anything away from the enjoyment, they are an awesome looking bike, get out and ride
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    I agree, ozzybmx. Have been getting 4-5 rides a week on this bike since I got it. Love the bike. Gravel, singletrack, snow.

    I am still using the Surly tubes, so that should help.

    Using a park digital scale to weigh it.

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    Hi. How long brake hoses do your Beargreases have? I have ordered a large BG, and I'm wondering if 1500 mm rear brake hose will be long enough.

    Thanks in advance.

    EDIT hm, my 20" Pugs seems to have a 1500 mm rear brake hose, with enough length to do barspins. Sorry, stupid Q
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    Mnyquist, remember that you weighed the pedals too. Most reported weights are sans pedals as they vary greatly and personal tastes differ. Switch tubes and subtract pedal weight and you're in line with what others are reporting....... Great job!

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    I also have a Beargrease (small) and my dealer put it on his scale as it came out of the box. It weighed 28Lbs 14 oz on his Park scale. That was with no pedals but with the wheel reflectors. I question some of the claimed weights I see in this thread or maybe mine is a porker.

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    Wow! I am, as I write this, replacing both tubes with thinner DH ones and saving 145g per wheel. The Surly tubes the BG came with are 518g vs. the Axiom FreeRide, avg'd 373g per tube!! (between the 2; one was 372g and the other was 374g for the bean counters out there) Will ride tonight to make sure they set themselves properly yet right now all looks pretty good! 290g gone just like that for a 30 buck investment

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    And the Qtubes super lights at $9.95 each are 208g apiece or mine were at least which would save ya 300+ more........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek.Endress View Post
    Wow! I am, as I write this, replacing both tubes with thinner DH ones and saving 145g per wheel. The Surly tubes the BG came with are 518g vs. the Axiom FreeRide, avg'd 373g per tube!! (between the 2; one was 372g and the other was 374g for the bean counters out there) Will ride tonight to make sure they set themselves properly yet right now all looks pretty good! 290g gone just like that for a 30 buck investment
    Please try to weigh your ft. wheel when you can. I'm curious if my tubeless set up is lighter. I'm running the stock hub & rotor for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheatrock View Post
    I also have a Beargrease (small) and my dealer put it on his scale as it came out of the box. It weighed 28Lbs 14 oz on his Park scale. That was with no pedals but with the wheel reflectors. I question some of the claimed weights I see in this thread or maybe mine is a porker.
    yeah, you're wheels are a porker. As others have just stated, you can save nearly a pound with different tubes. The Salsa hubs are heavy, you can loose another pound there. I drilled out my Holy Rolling Daryll's further and lost 1/4th of a pound, but a lot of these guys are running the Marge Lights or even 40-50mm rim (which to my mind rules them out as true fat bikes, but whatever) and that's going to save pounds as well.

    I don't have any doubt that someone with enough money could get a Beargrease down to 24 pounds even with 80mm rims and gears if they wanted to. Short of that, a lot of smaller, cheaper things can shave off a substantial amount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GT554 View Post
    Please try to weigh your ft. wheel when you can. I'm curious if my tubeless set up is lighter.
    I did the math Q-Tubes UL are lighter than tubeless: http://forums.mtbr.com/9976732-post131.html
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    Just weighed my front wheel for ya...
    6lb12oz(3061g) with the Qtubes superlight 2.4-2.7 and a wrap of pirate duct tape on the existing rim strip.stock skewer. So what's your tubeless front weigh GT554?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheatrock View Post
    I also have a Beargrease (small) and my dealer put it on his scale as it came out of the box. It weighed 28Lbs 14 oz on his Park scale. That was with no pedals but with the wheel reflectors. I question some of the claimed weights I see in this thread or maybe mine is a porker.
    That's more of a realistic weight. Mine is a medium and weighs 28.4lbs. That's with hope hubs and Schlick rims too. I. Sure 26lbs is possible but it costs.

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    I weighed a stock medium with fairly light platform pedals, it was 30.3 lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FishMan473 View Post
    I did the math Q-Tubes UL are lighter than tubeless: http://forums.mtbr.com/9976732-post131.html
    I did it on 2 sets of wheels. Tubeless is lighter
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    I did it on 2 sets of wheels. Tubeless is lighter
    How did you set up your tubeless wheels specifically?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FishMan473 View Post
    How did you set up your tubeless wheels specifically?
    I hope a whole thread is specific enough
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    New Beargrease with Marge Lites...


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    Quote Originally Posted by cjkyhl View Post
    New Beargrease with Marge Lites...

    Looks great! Enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brogrease View Post
    Just weighed my front wheel for ya...
    6lb12oz(3061g) with the Qtubes superlight 2.4-2.7 and a wrap of pirate duct tape on the existing rim strip.stock skewer. So what's your tubeless front weigh GT554?
    Just weighed my front wheel. 5.82 Lbs 2640G Ghetto tubeless with two scoops of Stans. 3/8 drilled out spoke holes, ti rotor bolts, stock rotor, with skewer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilboy View Post
    Just weighed my front wheel. 5.82 Lbs 2640G Ghetto tubeless with two scoops of Stans. 3/8 drilled out spoke holes, ti rotor bolts, stock rotor, with skewer.
    Mother effer! That's awesome..... Next project and love to see a picture of the drilled spoke holes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilboy View Post
    Just weighed my front wheel. 5.82 Lbs 2640G Ghetto tubeless with two scoops of Stans. 3/8 drilled out spoke holes, ti rotor bolts, stock rotor, with skewer.
    That's really light for a powder coated darryl, what are you scooping stans with a teaspoon?
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    BG ready for trippin'!

    This will be my second and longest solo ride; the first on the BG with Scott Felter's Porcelain Rocket bags. I just recieved the TTbags Front and Rear, and the Framebag to complete the set. Just got back from a short ride to test the weight and performance of the bike and am pretty excited to say the least.

    What a difference from the Muk3 loaded with panniers. Huge difference with a tighter feel with traction and responsiveness over all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brogrease View Post
    Just weighed my front wheel for ya...
    6lb12oz(3061g) with the Qtubes superlight 2.4-2.7 and a wrap of pirate duct tape on the existing rim strip.stock skewer. So what's your tubeless front weigh GT554?
    I have to bring it to my friend's shop. I don't keep a scale around, it's the most dangerous "tool" you can own.
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    Mother effer! That's awesome..... Next project and love to see a picture of the drilled spoke holes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek.Endress View Post
    This will be my second and longest solo ride; the first on the BG with Scott Felter's Porcelain Rocket bags. I just recieved the TTbags Front and Rear, and the Framebag to complete the set. Just got back from a short ride to test the weight and performance of the bike and am pretty excited to say the least.

    What a difference from the Muk3 loaded with panniers. Huge difference with a tighter feel with traction and responsiveness over all!
    Very nice! Where do you plan on keeping water?
    .. If I see this bike on display with those GT bars, I am bringing my hacksaw!!

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    Nice set up Derek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Om Flyer View Post
    Very nice! Where do you plan on keeping water?
    Thanks, here is a breakdown for gear, food and water
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    Looks awesome Derek ! You've got it well planned out too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek.Endress View Post
    Thanks, here is a breakdown for gear, food and water
    That's a great set-up and Major geek points for the spreadsheet!
    I'm not sure of my percentage but handling is always best with as little weight on the bars as possible. Killer rig! Have fun!
    .. If I see this bike on display with those GT bars, I am bringing my hacksaw!!

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    Interesting BG!
    So do you prefer the hanging bags to panniers? I haven't bought racks for my pugs yet and am contemplating the options for touring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakedbabytoes View Post
    Interesting BG!
    So do you prefer the hanging bags to panniers? I haven't bought racks for my pugs yet and am contemplating the options for touring.
    Hands down to bike packing bags! Less to go wrong ie. racks breaking on difficult terrain, easy to load, and forces one to really pay attention to what one actually needs with them for self sufficient adventures! Had racks on my previous Muk3 and it was too easy to take a couple extras BG does not have much in the way of braze-ons to keep the weight down. I am pretty close to my winter packing goal for 3-4 day trip of 75lbs; including bike, bags, and backpack weighed before packing them

    Do some snooping around and definitely check out MTBR forums for bikepacking as well as bikepacking.net to see other set ups.

    Good luck NBT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek.Endress View Post
    This will be my second and longest solo ride; the first on the BG with Scott Felter's Porcelain Rocket bags. I just recieved the TTbags Front and Rear, and the Framebag to complete the set. Just got back from a short ride to test the weight and performance of the bike and am pretty excited to say the least.

    What a difference from the Muk3 loaded with panniers. Huge difference with a tighter feel with traction and responsiveness over all!
    Do you attribute the tighter feel to the frame bags v. panniers?

    Your setup looks great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
    Do you attribute the tighter feel to the frame bags v. panniers?

    Your setup looks great!
    Thanks, yes to put it simply with fatbikes traveling slower then touring bikes I am now realizing the pannier loads had more opportunity to be felt as one would get rack sway. Maybe I just noticed the bike wobble more with weight, yet with packs on BG everything feels more centered and part of the actual frame even with the handlebar and seat bag as they are pulled in to the bars, seat tube and frame snuggly.

    The Muk with front and rear racks loaded for a 5 day adventure would start to get speed wobble esp. on bermed uphill/downhill (caused by snowmobiles accelerating up hill leaving consistent crests and troughs that can be quite short or long, shallow or deep, depending on snow accumulation, pitch and length of hill (and we have our fair share here). A pain to climb, esp. when standing, as weight gets transitioned side to side, (like trying to ride a windblown lake uphill) The crazy ride is when a loaded bike with weighted panniers is carrying inertia downhill on these with snow underfoot. Some descents have been hang on for life and see what kind of excitement, or carnage ensues!

    So far the Bear feels solid underneath. Another critical component to stay on top of is air pressure which I am now quite cognizant of!

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    Well, after resisting the fat bike urge for the past three seasons I finally broke. I test rode just about everything but a Carver and just kept coming back to the Beargrease. I've gotten about 6 good snow rides in the past 2 weeks and I'm hooked. What a great ride!

    My size large weighed 29.15lbs with cheap platform pedals that they threw at the shop for the test ride. Only changes I've made so far are a Thomson post and stem, new saddle and a Revelate Tangle Bag. Have a set of QTubes to swap in but haven gotten around to it yet. I reversed the direction of the rear HUDU which made a noticeable difference in traction in the deep stuff.

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    Beargrease list of parts

    LIST OF PARTS ON 25 pound BEARGREASE
    Niner RDO bar uncut
    xo 2x10 grip shift
    chunky esi grips cut down
    hope fatsno hubs and marge lites
    specialized downhill tubes
    xo rear der
    xt cass 12-36
    xo front der
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    160/180 rotors and ti bolts everywere i could put them
    husker 120 tpi dus

    Quote Originally Posted by besoft View Post
    with out pedals, 2x10 and downhill tubes
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    It seems that I'll still have two months to wait, so my BG is still mostly on Excel sheet Question marks: weight of the crankset. I figured that Middleburns or Race Faces (with BB/cups) in single ring setup should not weigh more than 900 g. Hopefully the Air will not weigh more that 100 g



    It seems that <12 kg is possible without blowing up the budget.
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    I can weight Middleburns, when longer axle arrives and I change them from my wifes Mukluk to my Beargrease.

    Jus a pic...


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    Quote Originally Posted by ShamusWave View Post
    I can weight Middleburns, when longer axle arrives and I change them from my wifes Mukluk to my Beargrease.

    Jus a pic...

    That is one SWEEEEEEEET ride you got there!!! I'm thinking about giving my Muk 2 to my son, and getting a BG next year....

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    Here is my Beargrese.
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    Weighed my large today... 28.47lbs without the frame bag. Only changes from stock are the thomson post & stem, fizik antares saddle and xtr pedals. Should drop a bit more once I swap tubes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnellerpfeil View Post
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    Details please! If you're so inclined. I'm building my Beargrease now and am well aware of the clearance issues front and rear. Still, I've read of a successful 100mm rim on the back with full ten cog access.

    Even going by the Salsa specs, I could put a 100mm rim and Bud 4.8" tire up front and run something skinnier in the back. Any advice?

    We're getting a foot of snow in a few days so I'm thinking full float now instead of the light weight build I initially planned on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrY10cK View Post
    Details please! If you're so inclined. I'm building my Beargrease now and am well aware of the clearance issues front and rear. Still, I've read of a successful 100mm rim on the back with full ten cog access.

    Even going by the Salsa specs, I could put a 100mm rim and Bud 4.8" tire up front and run something skinnier in the back. Any advice?

    We're getting a foot of snow in a few days so I'm thinking full float now instead of the light weight build I initially planned on.
    Here are details...
    Frame: Beargrease XL
    Stem: Truvativ
    Handlebar: Truvativ Noir
    Brakes: Brakeforce one
    Shifter: Shimano XT
    Front derailleur: XT direkt mount
    Cassette: XT 11-34
    Rear derailleur: XTR
    Saddle: SLR TT
    Seatpost: Saso Carbon 400mm
    Rims: Clow Shoe
    Hubs: Hope Fatsno
    Tire: Nate
    Tubes: Conti FR
    Spokes: Sapim Laser/D-Light with Polyax Alu Nipples
    Crankset: MWOD with Moonlander Axle
    Pedal : Acros Flat SL

    Weight : 13.3kg

    i can shift all gears without chain rubbing. Only i have a small problem with the front derailleur. The Monnlander Axle is to long. The cage from the front derailleur did not rotate wide enougt. I mount the 2,5mm spacer on the left side. It works, but is not perfekt. I must mount the 1mm spacer between the crankarm and the Chainrings . The cage from front derailleur scratch at the crank arm. Sorry for my english!

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnellerpfeil View Post
    Crankset: MWOD with Moonlander Axle
    Weight : 13.3kg

    i can shift all gears without chain rubbing. Only i have a small problem with the front derailleur. The Monnlander Axle is to long.
    Your English is excellent. Do you know how long your moonlander spindle is? I'm just curious as I plan to go with a 1 x 10 or 1 x11 drive train so I don't care about the front derailleur.

    I'm almost ready to buy my Clown Shoe rims and Hope 130/170mm hubs. Haven't decided on spokes yet but many people say to avoid alloy nipples due to corrosion. I'm thinking about prepping with boiled linseed oil, then spritzing the nipples periodically with Amzoil HDMP (Heavy Duty Metal Protector). I love that suff.

    Any experience to share from your Sapim Laser/D-Light with Polyax Alu Nipple build up? I love the look of the Clown Shoes and Nates. I've actually got your picture set as my desktop background.
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    So I just snagged up a BG frame all that was left was a small and Im hoping it fits...Im just a smidgen under 5'8" but I do have a super short inseam (29" flat footed) for almost all brands Im inbetween sizes but I figure with a 90-100 stem for flat bars it should be a decent fit? (I ride a 52 roadie and med 29ers with 70-80 stems)

    Im also considering running drops on my BG so I figure the small will help...Im just hoping there won't be any toe overlap.

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    Will be swapping the stock wheels for a Schlick/Hope setup with Q-tubes and an XX Cassette for a gravel grinder in March. Anxious to see what it weighs. I am keeping the stock wheels for snow. I will run the HuDus on the Schlick wheels. Not sure what tires I should use on the 80mm rims...any suggestions?

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