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    Rodney got a Fatillac !

    2019 *UPDATE* I loved the Fatillac so much, I bought a second one! https://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/ro...l#post14484033

    After lusting for 2 years over the Lenz Fatillac, I was finally able to pick one up. After what I assume he thinks was incessant pestering, last week I struck a deal with Mikesee on one of his old sleds. Thanks buddy!

    Had the Fatillac delivered to work. The receptionist calls me and says "Your Tristan Weiner is here..." WTF? Weiner? wut?


    I quickly tore open the box to find a few weeks of garbage from Colorado. I think there might have been a dirty diaper or 3 in there...


    ah, there she is!


    I quickly gutted my Wednesday for parts and assembled her.


    In my haste, I hamfisted the dropper and broke it. Meh, I needed some other stuff anyway. So, off internet shipping I go...

    Today I got all the little bits and pieces to finish her off. Here she is so far.


    I rode her around the house for an hour fiddling and adjusting. In a word, AWESOME! Wheelies are effortless and she is quick on her feet. Tomorrow will be my first real ride. So excited!!!
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    Current build 10/6/17:

    Lenz Fatillac Medium frame w/ 6" levers
    Mastodon 140mm
    Rockshox Monarch Plus RC3
    i45 Scraper w/ DT Swiss 350
    Maxxis Minion 27.5 x 3.8 FBF/FBR
    SRAM XX1 crank 28T
    SRAM XG 11 speed w/ Wolftooth 44T cog
    Hope E4 203F 180R
    Easton Haven 35mm bars
    Easton Haven 50mm stem
    Fox Transfer 125mm external dropper post w/ Wolftooth lever
    SQLAB 611 Ergowave Active seat
    Spank Oozy Trail flat pedals
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    Nice!
    Mike pinged me a few weeks ago that he was selling it( 2 days after I had got a Farley EX).
    But it's too small for me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    But it's too small for me....
    glad it didn't fit...

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    Fatillac fever around here! Looks great, congrats.

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    Dood, nice ride!

    Did you limit the Mastodon to 140mm? I run mine full out, 150mm, would take 160mm if it was available.

    Get some 27.5 x 3" tires for long fast rides, the bb is definitely high enough.

    I love my Fatillac, lusted after it ever since Mike did his first show and tell

    We need to do, like a Fatillac group ride in Fruita, totally rad!

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    No envy whatsoever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    Fatillac fever around here! Looks great, congrats.


    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Did you limit the Mastodon to 140mm? I run mine full out, 150mm, would take 160mm if it was available.

    Get some 27.5 x 3" tires for long fast rides, the bb is definitely high enough.
    didn't touch it yet. well, i fiddled with air pressure and low speed compression, but that was basically it.

    i am a fat bike guy. 3" or under, well, we just don't get along. just sold my stache to facilitate the Fatillac, and so far i could not be happier.
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    Excellent work. Nice to see the little guy getting some traction around here!

    Enjoy the ride.
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    Great looking rig and nice built specs. Is the bike short lengthwise? I know the chain stays are very short but expect the slack HTA would make up for it. The wheelbase/cockpit appears short in pics.

    Enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    I quickly tore open the box to find a few weeks of garbage from Colorado. I think there might have been a dirty diaper or 3 in there...

    One man's trash is another man's recycled packing material -- and it took more than a few weeks to collect!

    This thread is worthless until there are pictures of a filthy bike and at least one skinned knee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radair View Post
    Great looking rig and nice built specs. Is the bike short lengthwise? I know the chain stays are very short but expect the slack HTA would make up for it. The wheelbase/cockpit appears short in pics.

    Enjoy!

    This frame is a size medium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radair View Post
    Great looking rig and nice built specs. Is the bike short lengthwise? I know the chain stays are very short but expect the slack HTA would make up for it. The wheelbase/cockpit appears short in pics.

    Enjoy!
    The Fatillac does have a short wheelbase, not too long in the TT, short CS, so quite agile.

    I'm finding the Fatillac to be good climber, longest ride has been 25 miles, ~four hours, it was never uncomfortable.

    I don't fiddle with the fork, set and left it alone, but I do flip my shock damper into climb mode for longer climbs.

    Mine is a large, it did appear short when I built it, esp compared to Kona geo! I had to go up to a 60mm stem with the seat centered (non setback post) to get a good fit.

    It's not that slack, 67deg is normal a trail bike.

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    I guess someone should point out you spelled Fatillac wrong

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    Congrats on the score. Looks lovely.
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    Are there no braze-ons for bottles/pumps on these frames?

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    She's a beaut'

    Love the colour, you're going to have to do something with the red flashes on the forks, the clash!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTMNealio View Post
    Are there no braze-ons for bottles/pumps on these frames?
    Not unless you ask for them. I'll a couple nuts for a water bottle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    I guess someone should point out you spelled Fatillac wrong
    oops, i am an idiot... corrected.

    i will update about my first ride on it later, i gotta work on the stupid house...

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    Screw the house, that shite can wait! We need ride pics!!

    I rode 25 miles on the TRT yesterday, ~10k climbing, awesome rock crawling, completely fried by the end, what a great machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Screw the house, that shite can wait! We need ride pics!!
    Good decision, but where are the ride pics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Good decision, but where are the ride pics?
    The Tahoe Rim Trail between Starr Lake and Big Meadows, passes Freel Peak, Jobe/Jobes Sister, on the way to Mr Toads

    Looking northwest toward Lake Tahoe, Stateline South Shore
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    This thread is worthless until there are pictures of a filthy bike and at least one skinned knee.
    sorry, i will try to crash more often for you...

    Quote Originally Posted by Flying_Scotsman View Post
    Love the colour, you're going to have to do something with the red flashes on the forks, the clash!
    umm... wait till you see the green handlebars that are going on... :P

    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Screw the house, that shite can wait! We need ride pics!!
    only one pic surfaced so far, me f'ing up a line around a tree...



    made some setup changes and will be tacking the Northern Jersey rocks tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    sorry, i will try to crash more often for you...



    umm... wait till you see the green handlebars that are going on... :P



    only one pic surfaced so far, me f'ing up a line around a tree...



    made some setup changes and will be tacking the Northern Jersey rocks tomorrow.
    Do you like it?

    I had mine leaning against the bed, my wife got mad when I rolled over and kissed it good night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Do you like it?
    ABSOFUGGINLUTELY!!! the bike is fun as f&ck. Wheelies are effortless, and the bike is very spunky. unlike my 29+, i gelled with the Fatillac almost immediately. I made a techy climb yesterday that i never did before. Not sure it was FS related, or just it has a 44T 1st gear. Regardless, it worked better for me .

    This is my first FS bike, so i have to get used to the "movement" when climbing/pedaling. i will figure it out, just gimme some time...

    Haven't taken it on any fast stuff yet. Put a 203 rotor on it today in preparation for some downhillin' later this week.

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    Mike jinxed me... Had a hell of a crash today, blood was shed...

    Pics coming as soon as I get them...

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    Happy!


    about to NOT be happy...


    :P

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    Heh, nice capture though on the camera! Hope it turned out ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post

    about to NOT be happy...


    :P
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    10 years of fat bike evolution has taught us little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    about to NOT be happy...
    What caused the endo? I can't see anything that would stop the front wheel in that photo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    What caused the endo? I can't see anything that would stop the front wheel in that photo.
    From my personal experience it looks to me like he came towards it fast, didn't pop up enough and just whacked it with his front wheel stopping the bike. I could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post

    about to NOT be happy...


    :P
    Man, hope you are OK. That looks like it is going to hurt...
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    Rock snake, rare, but deadly.

    Be careful out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    What caused the endo? I can't see anything that would stop the front wheel in that photo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChargeCookerMaxi View Post
    I could be wrong.
    you are right, you ARE wrong... :P

    Cliff notes: Hit the rock at speed in 5th gear, but what you can't see in the photo (and i didn't see it either) is a small rock kicker at the base. Hit that kicker with the rear wheel and that was all she wrote...

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    You really took mikesee words seriously "filthy bike and at least one skinned knee. "

    great bike and cool unique pic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    Happy!


    about to NOT be happy...


    :P
    You are still my hero!

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    Your expression looks quite different from the first pic to the second...


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    Quote Originally Posted by bartekb93 View Post
    You are still my hero!
    awe...

    so, the first few smaller rides I had on the Fatillac, I ran 220psi in the shock. This was too soft, so on the last ride I fiddled and upped it multiple times settling on 260psi.

    Being 195lbs, i figured that was too much psi, so after talking to a few people I tore into the shock to add volume reducers.

    The shock had 4 reducers on the upper positive chamber, and 2 reducers on the lower negative chamber.



    starting small, I removed the 2 from the lower chamber, and added 1 to the upper chamber.



    I reinflated the shock, and this time i ended up at 240psi. I think I may add another reducer to the top chamber, but I want to ride it first.

    I have a few rides planned, one being this afternoon. I will report back with my findings...

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    There's nothing wrong with using 260psi. That shock has a big air can, so it's whatever it takes.
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    Needs a coil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Needs a coil

    I've got one here if he wants it, but most people shy away -- largely out of ignorance or at least lack of familiarity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    largely out of ignorance or at least lack of familiarity.
    THIS ^^

    Or get a Manitou rear shock

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    Went for a very technical 10 mile climb today. It was amazing, the trails only went up. Even down went up, it was weird...




    At the base of the trail a nice rock to test on. I was able to go one way pretty easy, but the backside was squared off. Took me a few runs at it, but i finally cleared it, and made the rock my b!tch...



    After futzing around on the rock, I came across and old campground with a firepit and a bunch of old stumps kicking around. It became the Fatillac playground...



    The Fatillac is killing it! Loving every minute of riding it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I've got one here if he wants it, but most people shy away -- largely out of ignorance or at least lack of familiarity.
    I may just take you up on that... The shock was a touch bouncy today. When I got home, i cleaned her up then added another volume reducer to the upper chamber. That makes six total, and the max I can put in the upper chamber. I then put in 220 psi, took it for a ride and reset rebound. Imho, I think it still is a touch soft.

    I hucked the bike off my 2' high deck 5x, and although I didn't bottom the shock, I came close. I have another techy ride Friday night, so I will leave the 220psi in there for that ride, then figure out what where i will go from there...

    Ironically, after changing the mastodon pressure once (went from 85 to 90 psi), I haven't felt the need to fiddle with it at all... Impressive.

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    Define "bouncy" and "soft".

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Define "bouncy" and "soft".
    I was definitely riding to low in the travel going through the chunk. Had more pedal strikes than I should have. Lofting the front to get over trailjunk, i was was coming close to bottoming the shock.

    At every break, i fiddled with rebound, settling at 15 out of 20 clicks toward the max rebound. This calmed the general trail manners. More than 15 clicks caused me to ride further in the travel, as the shock wasn't able to rebound fully.

    I am having the most issues at medium speed. Slow I am good, and bombing downhill i am good as well.

    Does this make sense? Or do i just need more miles under my belt?

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    Okay, so I was one of those who were ignorant of coils. I'll admit it, with no history of using one; never rode DH, I just thought they were heavy and not necessary.

    When the Cane Creek IL was first announced, I was made curious by my recent exposure to a DH bike which ran a coil shock and a coil fork. After thinking about my experience with air shocks and air forks, the advantage of a coil finally made some sense. BUT, coils are heavy, right? WRONG!

    From the outset I planned to get a Coil IL for the Fatillac, all I was waiting on was a decent fork. Mastodon, check!

    I was talking to a couple riders over the weekend. They asked about the coil and I told them that since trying a coil shock I wouldn't ride an air can again unless there was no other choice. I simply love the way a coil rides, progressive, adjustable with a simple twist of the preload, damping on or off, sweet and easy, with a ride that's to die for.

    There's a very good reason that ATV's, cars, trucks, etc.. all run springs.

    You do need to find the right spring. I started with the 700#, it was too much for my 200#, so I went down to a 650# which is just right. I could run a 600# spring, but I think the preload would be too much. Rodnet, at your weight a 700# spring would probably be the best starting point. If Mike doesn't have a 700#, you can borrow mine for a trial; they're only $30 new.

    To run a 650# spring I used a 2.30 Fox which was slightly smaller in diameter than the double barrel spring. I had to dremel off some steel on the first coil of the upper and lower, mostly just took off the powder coating and rounded the spring until it sat nice in the base plate and adjustement ring.

    CC makes a 650# spring also, but sadl they are only available in the heavy weight steel. I'm sure a custom Ti spring could be made to fit.

    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I've got one here if he wants it, but most people shy away -- largely out of ignorance or at least lack of familiarity.

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    Keep two things in mind here: First, there is no "right" or "wrong" -- there's just what you like. Second, vague terminology and more factors than can be described in this format make diagnosis 'over the phone' challenging.

    But it seems like you have the most important parts figured out: Make one change at a time, go ride, then think about what needs to happen next. Incremental progress in the right direction is the goal. Eventually you're just riding, not thinking about the bike, because it's invisible beneath you.

    It does sound like you need more air. Adding that last volume spacer usually made that shock feel too "spikey" to me, but that's me, here, and probably has zero relevance to you, there. Worst case you take it for a ride, don't like it, and then at least you know that 6 is too many. Go back down to 5, bump the air pressure, then go ride some more.

    I'd caution you against using too much rebound damping. You can damp the life right out of a bike.

    Two other things:

    -The 5" levers would largely make this "problem" go away. Shorter levers require less pressure, are less supple on small stuff, and begin their ramp to bottom sooner.

    -The MRP Raze coil I have here has a 600# spring. It was a touch heavy for me (190# plus a ~15# pack most rides), but you've got 10# on me so it might just be ideal.

    Oh, and we all need more miles under our belts, all the time...

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    Well, air spring-curves are radically different than coil springs, which are linear. Coil spring shocks work well with bikes that are progressive in either a linear or non-linear way. But the same doesn't work well with air shocks, because they start progressive, go flat, then go progressive towards the end of travel, when added with the leverage curve of a bike intended to run a coil, it gets way too progressive and extremely choppy/harsh going through the big stuff at speed.

    Ideally, the leverage curve for an air shock is flat to regressive at first, then fairly steep progressive in the middle of travel, and again flat to regressive at the end of travel. This generally offsets the characteristics of the air shock.

    Doing the opposite, putting a coil on a bike intended for an air shock can have all sorts of wonky effects too, the most drastic being you are going to bottom out easily on drops/jumps if you are running the correct sag. Very few manufacturers go "all the way" and design their air-shock bike so it's effectively impossible to run a coil, but many do have the leverage curve that favors one over the other. Still, other manufacturers don't really seem to know what they are doing on this front and will totally mismatch the shock and leverage curve. Sometimes they do it knowingly when one build includes a coil and a different one includes an air shock. Rare on most XC bikes, but not unheard of for AM/enduro rigs.

    Looking at the Lenz leverage curves for the bikes that are shown on linkage, the lunchbox, PBJ, leviathan, a few others, they are consistently progressive with a leverage curve that is very linear. Only a slight regression at the end of travel, but nowhere near the amount that would be compensating for an air shock. Given this, these bikes aren't going to ride their best with an air shock and it's going to magnify some of the worst traits of air shocks. A coil is probably a good bet for these frames, not to mention probably a better winter choice less dependent on seals and air springs.

    Another quick way to figure this out is call Push or Avalanche and ask them to build a coil shock for your bike. If they say "no", it's often because the leverage ratio won't support a coil shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    It does sound like you need more air. Adding that last volume spacer usually made that shock feel too "spikey" to me..

    I'd caution you against using too much rebound damping. You can damp the life right out of a bike.
    Leaning toward more air, but let me get tomorrow's ride out of the way first. Yes, I killed the bike yesterday with too much rebound, it just became a rock for a few sections of trail till i back off the clicker.

    I have nearly zero experience with air shocks. I do have an extensive automotive racing & mx/enduro background, all of which utilized coil springs. I have a tendency in setting up the rear of the bikes a touch "stiff" compared to others. Perhaps i am carrying over that setup mentality to bicycles? Maybe that setup and air squish do not get along? Pic from this past July at a 24 hour race:



    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    The 5" levers would largely make this "problem" go away. Shorter levers require less pressure, are less supple on small stuff, and begin their ramp to bottom sooner.
    I am going to keep plugging away with the 6". Here is my resoning: There was a large oil tank that one other guy and myself were riding Sunday. on the entry side, there was a 2' ledge you had to hop up onto, then the exit was either a 4' huck or roller to either side.



    The other guy huck'd it. Being my second ride on the Fatillac, my cajones were not big enough, so I rolled it. I need the 6" levers for cajones growth...



    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    The MRP Raze coil I have here has a 600# spring. It was a touch heavy for me (190# plus a ~15# pack most rides), but you've got 10# on me so it might just be ideal.
    Do certain shocks require different weight springs to achieve the same result? Ben mentioned 650# was right for him, and you guys are similiar weight? I guess it comes back to your original point that what works for one doesn't necessarily work for another...

    ok, i gotta go to work... lata!

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    The 6" levers give that bike a super, super supple top end. Some love it, because it completely erases small bumps, roots, and ledges. Some will never learn to love it, because you can never (unless you weigh <150#) make it feel stiff on top. It's always supple.

    If you stick with the 6" levers you're going to need to change your mind about the top end feel, or accept that you'll probably keep chasing your tail. Or go coil. Or go to 5" levers.

    The tank move: 6" levers aren't giving you anything 5" won't, or can't. It's all in your head. BTW, the Fatillac positively eats up moves like that. Teeniest bit of mo', right up to the point you're at in the pic, then sit back and manual off. Rear wheel never loses contact, short chainstays allow you to easily get the front end up/out to land both wheels at same time. Smoove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Well, air spring-curves are radically different than coil springs, which are linear. Coil spring shocks work well with bikes that are progressive in either a linear or non-linear way. But the same doesn't work well with air shocks, because they start progressive, go flat, then go progressive towards the end of travel, when added with the leverage curve of a bike intended to run a coil, it gets way too progressive and extremely choppy/harsh going through the big stuff at speed.

    Ideally, the leverage curve for an air shock is flat to regressive at first, then fairly steep progressive in the middle of travel, and again flat to regressive at the end of travel. This generally offsets the characteristics of the air shock.

    Doing the opposite, putting a coil on a bike intended for an air shock can have all sorts of wonky effects too, the most drastic being you are going to bottom out easily on drops/jumps if you are running the correct sag. Very few manufacturers go "all the way" and design their air-shock bike so it's effectively impossible to run a coil, but many do have the leverage curve that favors one over the other. Still, other manufacturers don't really seem to know what they are doing on this front and will totally mismatch the shock and leverage curve. Sometimes they do it knowingly when one build includes a coil and a different one includes an air shock. Rare on most XC bikes, but not unheard of for AM/enduro rigs.

    Looking at the Lenz leverage curves for the bikes that are shown on linkage, the lunchbox, PBJ, leviathan, a few others, they are consistently progressive with a leverage curve that is very linear. Only a slight regression at the end of travel, but nowhere near the amount that would be compensating for an air shock. Given this, these bikes aren't going to ride their best with an air shock and it's going to magnify some of the worst traits of air shocks. A coil is probably a good bet for these frames, not to mention probably a better winter choice less dependent on seals and air springs.

    Another quick way to figure this out is call Push or Avalanche and ask them to build a coil shock for your bike. If they say "no", it's often because the leverage ratio won't support a coil shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Well, air spring-curves...

    In a very general sense, you're right. But because you're generalizing so broadly, you're also mostly wrong.

    When you get down to the nitty gritties, these generalizations aren't very helpful -- like putting a coil shock on a 3" travel Leviathan (!?!). The shock would weigh almost half what the frame does.

    Having actually owned and ridden all of the bikes you've listed, I can say with confidence that the PBJ, LunchBox, and Fatillac all work equally well with either coil or air, provided the rider has some basic understanding of how they want the bike to ride, and how to twiddle a few knobs to get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    The 6" levers give that bike a super, super supple top end. Some love it, because it completely erases small bumps, roots, and ledges...

    If you stick with the 6" levers you're going to need to change your mind about the top end feel, or accept that you'll probably keep chasing your tail. Or go coil. Or go to 5" levers.
    That supple feel on top sounds like what I want, but maybe in reality, it isn't. I will keep plugging along, tinkering with air/rebound because it is what I have in my possession right now. I would like to try coil before going to 5" levers. Being my first real FS bike, I have a lot of learning & fiddling ahead of me. I am sure I will f'it up a few times before I get the results I am after...

    Or hell, maybe I should just weld up some eyelets on a piece of rebar... Rigid Fatillac anyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    The tank move: 6" levers aren't giving you anything 5" won't, or can't. It's all in your head.
    Then what is the point of the 6" levers? Straight downhill, ALL the time?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    BTW, the Fatillac positively eats up moves like that. .. Smoove.
    yep, I can tell. I will get there, I just need to grow a set big enough to tackle everything that my brain tells me I shouldn't have done in the past...

    oh, here is tries #1 & 2 on the mossy stumps...


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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post

    Having actually owned and ridden all of the bikes you've listed, I can say with confidence that the PBJ, LunchBox, and Fatillac all work equally well with either coil or air, provided the rider has some basic understanding of how they want the bike to ride, and how to twiddle a few knobs to get there.
    The knobs do not control the leverage curve. The leverage curve sets up certain characteristics that are not adjustable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    The knobs do not control the leverage curve. The leverage curve sets up certain characteristics that are not adjustable.

    Well, if you want to get pernickety, do you mean spring curve, or leverage ratio? By "knobs" I'm referring to overall adjustability of both styles of dampers -- not just rebound and compression tuning, but air volume (positive *and* negative), and spring preload, along with the capability (on this particular chassis) to swap 5" and 6" levers. Which introduces a whole other set of parameters with which to fiddle. There are a lot of ways to fine tune both setups.

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    I think this falls in the same category of enginerdism that manufacturers stay up at night, dreaming of new ways to exploit.

    "We made it 3.6% stiffer in the bottom bracket shell this year". "By making our own standard of rear spacing, BB shell design, etc, we can guarantee you'll win every race and always have enough left to keep the wife satisfied too" Etc...

    Great, except that it's already stiffer, wider, stronger, spiffier than any human could possibly over drive, appreciate, or gain value from, why bother other than to pat yourself on the back for having done so?

    Been riding Lenz for quite some time, have always vastly preferred air over coil, and have immensely enjoyed the ride qualities of them all (I thought).

    Early Lunch Box, a Milk Money, FatMoth, Fatillac, and a Behemoth +.

    Never found myself disappointed or feeling the ride was lacking in anything.

    I guess I'm either a sh#tty rider, or too dim to know I'm not enjoying the ride proper like.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    I guess I'm either a sh#tty rider, or too dim to know I'm not enjoying the ride proper like.....
    The problem is you are actually riding the bike and speaking from saddle experience. That screws up discussions like this right there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    Then what is the point of the 6" levers? Straight downhill, ALL the time?

    Sure. And, no. The point is to give a different feel. Some vastly prefer the more business-like feel of the 5", and usually these people are more the wheels-on-the-ground, go straight, don't slow down types. Those that prefer the 6" levers generally (duh, i'm totally overgeneralizing here to make the point) could care less about speed, are more interested in hooning around.

    Then there are some that don't notice a difference either way, and just want to go ride and quit talking about tech crap.

    Nothing right, or wrong, with any of the above -- again the ideal is just whatever you like. I prefer the 6", because I could care less about speed and my body is too destroyed to want to feel every little piece of trail debris along the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    The problem is you are actually riding the bike and speaking from saddle experience. That screws up discussions like this right there.
    Hmm, maybe that's it.
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    That's Jungle Habitat, no?

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    I'm enjoying the Cane Creek DB rear shock on mine. Haven't had time on the trails to even mess with the knobs other than adjusting air pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    I guess I'm either a sh#tty rider
    HEY! get your own thread, I am the sh#tty rider here...

    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Some vastly prefer the more business-like feel of the 5", and usually these people are more the wheels-on-the-ground, go straight, don't slow down types. Those that prefer the 6" levers generally...could care less about speed, are more interested in hooning around...I prefer the 6", because I could care less about speed and my body is too destroyed to want to feel every little piece of trail debris along the way.
    Hoon? check. Destroyed? check. Hell, I am more destroyed than most. You would have to be a victim of a IED attack to trump my injury list...

    Sounds like I made the right call w/ 6", I just need to fiddle some more to tweak the setup to my liking.

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    That's Jungle Habitat, no?
    yep.

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    Well... I ride the 6" rockers and a spring, I like to ride really fast, but also love junk and going slow/trials = anomaly

    I have a vague memory of how the Fatillac would ride with an air shock from a short ride on Mikesee's bike. I'm sure it would ride fine with a well adjusted air shock, not sure if it would ride "the same". I'm not a suspension expert, this is my first spring shock, but I do feel that the ride is more compliant and "comfortable" than my prior experiences with an air shock.

    I have not noticed any disadvantages with the spring. I love how easy it is to do a trail side spring tweak, just a twist of the spring and I can use preload to adjust the ride from soft to firm. Also no air "leak down" and no need to adjust air for the weather. I don't expect any problems with cold weather

    I rode my Mutz with the longer and shorter travel setting, not sure if that is comparable to making rocker changes on the Fatillac, but what I noticed on the Mutz at 5" is a firming up of the top end. This could have been simply a faster ramping up due to less travel, but for that type of bike and my needs it was not the best feel, so I rode it with 6".

    Rodney, for the low, low price that I expect Mike is asking for the Coil IL, I'd snap it up! You can try my 700# spring for the cost of shipping

    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    The 6" levers give that bike a super, super supple top end. Some love it, because it completely erases small bumps, roots, and ledges. Some will never learn to love it, because you can never (unless you weigh <150#) make it feel stiff on top. It's always supple.

    If you stick with the 6" levers you're going to need to change your mind about the top end feel, or accept that you'll probably keep chasing your tail. Or go coil. Or go to 5" levers.

    The tank move: 6" levers aren't giving you anything 5" won't, or can't. It's all in your head. BTW, the Fatillac positively eats up moves like that. Teeniest bit of mo', right up to the point you're at in the pic, then sit back and manual off. Rear wheel never loses contact, short chainstays allow you to easily get the front end up/out to land both wheels at same time. Smoove.

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    Congrats on a sweet ride!

    Would love the oppurtunity to put one through its paces!

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    Nice! Congrats on the new ride. Just awesome. Great to see a Fatillac in these parts. Been lusting for one since Mikesee was writing about it. Not sure I can do it justice, but I still want one. Maybe we'll see out on the trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkerik View Post
    Congrats on a sweet ride!

    Enjoy!
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Moto View Post
    Nice! Congrats on the new ride.
    Thanks! So far, I am loving every minute of it!

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    Maybe we'll see out on the trails.
    If you see me at Wayway, Ringwood, Jungle or Bearfort, give a shout!

    I learned that my shock pump likes to blled 10~15 psi on disconnection. Armed with this new info, I topped off the shock at 240psi, which is actually 226psi. Combined with the 6 volume reducers in the positive chamber, and I think we are getting close.

    Last night I did another 10.7 miles of chunk, with some smallish hucks thrown in for good measure. I was having the tendency of being nose high on takeoff, I need to work on that.

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    Are you sure the shock pump pressure loss is because it's filling the hose when you reconnect?
    Usually disconnecting will not lose shock pressure, the hiss you hear is the air leaving the hose, the shock valve should already be closed.

    But then you go to check it, and when you connect the pump, you lose pressure because you are filling the pump hose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    Are you sure the shock pump pressure loss is because it's filling the hose when you reconnect?
    Usually disconnecting will not lose shock pressure, the hiss you hear is the air leaving the hose, the shock valve should already be closed.

    But then you go to check it, and when you connect the pump, you lose pressure because you are filling the pump hose.
    This is correct, unless the valve is faulty, as soon as you start disconnecting, the difference in pressure closes the spring loaded valve. The higher pressure inside the shock closes the valve.
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    why on earth does the rockshox pump have a 9 mile long hose? regardless, at the trailhead waiting for the late peoples now. starting the day off at 240psi. lata!

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    99% of shock pumps work this way.
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    48% of people make up statistics. 72% of people believe them

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    Rod I think they are right... the air is removed from the shock when the pump is reconnected. So when you put it on to check the air pressure it drops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChargeCookerMaxi View Post
    Rod I think they are right... the air is removed from the shock when the pump is reconnected. So when you put it on to check the air pressure it drops.
    Yup. If you use more than one shock pump confirm they give you similar readings or that can screw up your analysis as well.
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    Today was a 10.3 mile 2000 ft elevation ride. Added a few more clicks of rebound, and the bike settled down a bit. It's great not riding around trail features. Having not jumped in 20 years, I am working my way up...

    found a nearly unridable roller. pics do not do it justice, it is seriously sick. you would have to huck it, then thread the needle...


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    first attempt at faster jump


    Ended up doing the faster jump again later in the day. If you hit it too fast, you head right for a tree, and can't make the corner. On the second pass, the other dude was ahead of me. He ended up almost hitting the tree and riding off the trail to the left...

    I have said it before, i will say it again. I fuggin LOVE this bike! Absolutely awesome, i wish i never waited to get it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Yup. If you use more than one shock pump confirm they give you similar readings or that can screw up your analysis as well.
    Yes, and you are not exactly working with a massive amount of air to start with (air can volume) so the amount necessary to pressurize the pump when you reconnect it is significant.
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    couple updates on my Fatillac:

    Came across a deal on Hope E4 brakes that I could not resist. Also, thanks to an awesome guy, and fellow MTBR member, ChargeCookerMaxi for hooking me up with a 125 external dropper post. Thanks buddy!

    Installed the new brakes and dropper. Heading to dirty jersey today to play on the rocks today.


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    When does the springer show up?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    couple updates on my Fatillac:

    Came across a deal on Hope E4 brakes that I could not resist. Also, thanks to an awesome guy, and fellow MTBR member, ChargeCookerMaxi for hooking me up with a 125 external dropper post. Thanks buddy!

    Installed the new brakes and dropper. Heading to dirty jersey today to play on the rocks today.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    couple updates on my Fatillac:

    Came across a deal on Hope E4 brakes that I could not resist. Also, thanks to an awesome guy, and fellow MTBR member, ChargeCookerMaxi for hooking me up with a 125 external dropper post. Thanks buddy!

    Installed the new brakes and dropper. Heading to dirty jersey today to play on the rocks today.
    I've always liked the M4's.
    So far the best combo I've found are Hope organic pads with Shimano ice tech rotors. (tried all the cheap pads & lightweight rotors etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    When does the springer show up?
    not sure. right now i have bigger fish to fry...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    not sure. right now i have bigger fish to fry...

    Wait, let me guess... you're adding a Dorado?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Wait, let me guess... you're adding a Dorado?
    Look closely at the picture and the emoji Ben and all will become clear.

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    A flat tire?

    Maybe he cut a tire?

    I cut my rear Minion 3.8, patched inside and out, all is good.

    Got some Hodags incoming

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    Look closely at the picture and the emoji Ben and all will become clear.

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    Love the bike, I'm from northern NJ also can you recommend any good riding spots. Just back riding after more than 20 years so somewhere a little tamer than that
    Hope you are ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    A flat tire?

    Maybe he cut a tire?

    I cut my rear Minion 3.8, patched inside and out, all is good.

    Got some Hodags incoming
    uh-uh.

    Think more money. Also look at the feature in the picture.

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    All I got for internet is a phone, but it kinda looks like a flat or a trashed wheel... unless the rider got trashed too?

    Umm, bummer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    A flat tire?

    Maybe he cut a tire?
    nope, i wish it was a tire. I pinch flatted a chibon hoop.



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    unless the rider got trashed too?
    Quote Originally Posted by STAGER1 View Post
    Hope you are ok.
    i am fine, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by STAGER1 View Post
    Love the bike, I'm from northern NJ also can you recommend any good riding spots. Just back riding after more than 20 years so somewhere a little tamer than that
    you want to ride in northern jersey and are looking for tame? you might have to move to the midwest...

    I come to jersey for the rock garden insanity. All within a few minutes of each other you have Ringwood, Jungle Habitat, Bearfort and Wawayanda. If you want faster riding with less "stuff" in the way, you can go half an hour north to Stewart Forest. You can click off mileage there with an 8mph avg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodney jekyl View Post
    you want to ride in northern jersey and are looking for tame? You might have to move to the midwest...
    hey!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChargeCookerMaxi View Post
    hey!!!
    apparently, I hit a nerve. guess the truth hurts...

    got a loaner jackalope and Hodag. Fatillac is back in business!


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    Thanks most of those with in a few miles of me. I would love to hit some Insanity but had spinal fusion at two locations a few years back and a nasty fall could put me out of work for a long time. But thanks for the info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    nope, i wish it was a tire. I pinch flatted a chibon hoop.






    i am fine, thanks!
    What is that, like five feet to flat.

    Maybe rebuild with aluminum?

    I've been running Duroc 40s and 50s, take lickin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    What is that, like five feet to flat.

    Maybe rebuild with aluminum?

    I've been running Duroc 40s and 50s, take lickin...
    Tire Pressure. Drops and low pressure is a hard thing to combine.
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    You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Jayem again.

    That being said he was running 10 PSI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STAGER1 View Post
    I would love to hit some Insanity but had spinal fusion at two locations a few years back
    There are connector trails/fire roads at Ringwood and Wawayanda that we frequently cross over. I do not know the exact route they take, but you could have an adventure all your own but finding and following them...

    Oh, i know about injury. Rodknee is a nickname from the ti rod in my leg. Rodney sounds better than Screwed Pelvis...



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    What is that, like five feet to flat.
    more like 3', maybe 3.5' since there is a *slight* downgrade to the landing spot. i will bring a tape measure with me text time...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Maybe rebuild with aluminum?

    I've been running Duroc 40s and 50s, take lickin...
    yep, scrapers en route. guess where i am going to test em?

    are you saying duroc 50's are durable? sir, you need to stop posting after eating the "special" cookies. My stache had Duroc 50's, and after only 212 miles each wheel had at least 5 bends in it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Tire Pressure. Drops and low pressure is a hard thing to combine.
    the bike is borderline unrideable at anything higher than 10 for the surrounding trail. also, there was zero tire damage. the two rim walls separated. pics coming soon. when i ride my rigid fork fatty with the same tire combo on the same trail minus large hucks, i run 1.5~2 psi less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    There are connector trails/fire roads at Ringwood and Wawayanda that we frequently cross over. I do not know the exact route they take, but you could have an adventure all your own but finding and following them...

    Oh, i know about injury. Rodknee is a nickname from the ti rod in my leg. Rodney sounds better than Screwed Pelvis...





    more like 3', maybe 3.5' since there is a *slight* downgrade to the landing spot. i will bring a tape measure with me text time...



    yep, scrapers en route. guess where i am going to test em?

    are you saying duroc 50's are durable? sir, you need to stop posting after eating the "special" cookies. My stache had Duroc 50's, and after only 212 miles each wheel had at least 5 bends in it.



    the bike is borderline unrideable at anything higher than 10 for the surrounding trail. also, there was zero tire damage. the two rim walls separated. pics coming soon. when i ride my rigid fork fatty with the same tire combo on the same trail minus large hucks, i run 1.5~2 psi less.
    I think the build matters, I ruined some Scrapers, but my Duroc are bomber; same builder. Scrapers are fine, the sidewalls are where I kept getting damage on pinches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChargeCookerMaxi View Post
    You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Jayem again.

    That being said he was running 10 PSI.
    Still pretty low to be dropping to flat. Yeah, I know they are rock hard at 20psi, but damn, dropping to flat on a rigid.
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    I clicked into this thread as I've really lusted after a full suspension fatty ever since my first Bucksaw ride...stayed to watch all of Rodney's movies. I don't know which is more fun, watching you huck stuff...or the surprise laughter after you clear something and don't kill yourself! Thanks for posting, I'll definitely be checking into this thread from time to time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pack66 View Post
    I don't know which is more fun, watching you huck stuff...or the surprise laughter after you clear something and don't kill yourself!
    Well, for the past few years I have been riding around or rolling all the hucks/jumps on my hardnose fatty. It is awesome to finally take the aggressive line. The Fatillac is just such an f'n great ride, my shrill of excitement is hard to contain...

    Yesterday, it poured in the am. I met up with a few buddies at a new riding spot at the tail end of the rain at 1pm. Our plan was to go ADV it and find out where the trails went. With a rough idea where they started and ended, we planned for 12 miles or so.

    I debated this huck rock for 5 minutes. In the end, the wet rock combined with a rental front wheel, my survival instinct kicked in and I skipped it. Next time gadget, next time...


    This roller was relatively easy, but there was a stacked rock skinny with awkward entry that took a few runs to hit right
    *damn 2 video limit*

    In the end, we were 10 miles in, and still 10 miles from the car. My buddy got a flat, and I got a flat (from the same fuggin rock garden) and another buddy was flat tired.

    Called the wifey, and she happened to be in the area with the pickup. So I sweet talked her into picking us up and shuttling us back to the cars...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Still pretty low to be dropping to flat. Yeah, I know they are rock hard at 20psi, but damn, dropping to flat on a rigid.
    Rigid? Whaa?

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    Late last week, I got another wheel set delivered from mikeyboy. Went with i45 scrapers this go around.



    Mounted up my Minion 3.8's, then over the course of the weekend, got 2 rides and 20 miles in on them. So far, almost no rock strikes. There was one light mark, but it wiped off. I think this is the perfect wheel width for the 3.8/4.0 tire when riding rocky techy trails. #veryhappy

    Yesterday's fun was a lot of hooning on rollers. While a guy was fixing his der hanger, i was goofing off on this built up stone ex stream crossing.



    on the third pass through, someone yelled out "do a stoppie..." done.



    Of course, i held it too long and subsequently went over the bars. but, i got the pic...

    This was a pretty good sized roller. As usual, the vid does not do it justice, as only a few of our decently sized group even attempted it. It was very intimidating staring down it from the top. With the damp rock combined with wet leaves, you were going for a ride if you picked up too much momentum...



    With every ride, I am loving the Fatillac even more!

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    found another pic of the roller above. I had hugged it and thanked it for not hurting me... We are now best friends


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    Good stuff Rodney! Would like to get a look at your bike as it is on my short list for my 2nd bike.

    Do you ever ride habitat on Friday. I am headed there this Friday after i pick up my new ride. Only my 2nd time there and would like to ride with someone that can show me around.

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    Had a fun week on the fattilac. Went to a park in CT where there was a ton of gap jump insanity. Didn't do the insane stuff, but did 75% of it.



    Wednesday I did a night ride. There was a wet skinny that was fairly easy to do normally. The fatillac beckoned for more, so I had to try wheelie on it...


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    small'ish rock jump


    Quote Originally Posted by mxer View Post
    Do you ever ride habitat on Friday. I am headed there this Friday after i pick up my new ride. Only my 2nd time there and would like to ride with someone that can show me around.
    i have only been to Jungle 3x. Sure, we could meet one day. PM sent...

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    This feature wasn't really part of the trail, but I still wanted to do it anyway...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    found another pic of the roller above. I had hugged it and thanked it for not hurting me... We are now best friends

    Blue Mountain? If so, my attempt didn't go as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIke N Gear View Post
    Blue Mountain? If so, my attempt didn't go as well.
    yep, that was Blue Mountain. What happened? I could picture a long a55 slide to the bottom if you f'd up on top...

    Yesterday's ride was at a county park. I stumbled upon a bunch of old bmx jumps in the woods. I felt like a kid again...



    I need to go back there. And the tanks, that needs to happen again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    ...

    Yesterday's ride was at a county park. I stumbled upon a bunch of old bmx jumps in the woods. I felt like a kid again... ...
    Good launches.

    Nice to see your videographer didn't have vertical video syndrome. Just say no to vertical video.

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    Update: the Fatillac is the best bike I have owned or even ridden. it just makes me leap off sh!t on the sides of the trail. Seriously, when I ride it, I feel like i want to rob a bank...

    did an 11 mile techy ride today, the latter half by myself. I just didn't want to stop. Setup my phone on the side of the trail to film a little skinny with small huck at the end.



    seriously, the Fatillac is fuggin awesome. All hail Devin Lenz...

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    I would love to rip me some fatillac!

    Looks like fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by STAGER1 View Post
    Love the bike, I'm from northern NJ also can you recommend any good riding spots. Just back riding after more than 20 years so somewhere a little tamer than that
    Hope you are ok.
    There's also some slightly more tame trails at Sterling Forest just over the line into NY. Stop into Tenafly Bike Works and ask questions, those guys know their area better than anybody else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    There are connector trails/fire roads at Ringwood and Wawayanda that we frequently cross over. I do not know the exact route they take, but you could have an adventure all your own but finding and following them...

    Oh, i know about injury. Rodknee is a nickname from the ti rod in my leg. Rodney sounds better than Screwed Pelvis...




    the bike is borderline unrideable at anything higher than 10 for the surrounding trail. also, there was zero tire damage. the two rim walls separated. pics coming soon. when i ride my rigid fork fatty with the same tire combo on the same trail minus large hucks, i run 1.5~2 psi less.
    I dunno, I kinda like screwed pelvis

    Yeah the difference in build quality on carbon hoops is pretty significant. When you're ready for the real deal just ask me...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    When we got to that rock I cleaned the entrance and exit up nicely the other day. At that point most of the leaves had come down so it should be good to go for the next few months now. I cleaned up a few others too. Love that place

    Looking forward to a review with the new tires asap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravitylover View Post

    Looking forward to a review with the new tires asap.
    got my warranteed hoops back, they are assembled ready to go. hopefully i will get the new tires tomorraw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    got my warranteed hoops back, they are assembled ready to go. hopefully i will get the new tires tomorraw.
    Canít wait to test your new wheels on my Wednesday, Iíll promise Iíll go easy


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    It is an awesome ride, my favorite to date. The combination of long travel, fat tired, and modern geo makes the Fatillac a joy to ride. I canít get enough of boulder strewn trails and ledges.

    Itís even fun riding down stairs

    My only wish(s) would be insertion for a 150mm dropper and chainstay width for my Barbes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Itís even fun riding up stairs

    Fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Fixed.
    Up, down, off, pretty much anything ledgelike

    It really is a super fun bike. I ride mine on everything, long XC rides, flow, gnarly stuff like steep gullies chock full of baby heads, drops, boulders chandler, itís all good on the Fatillac.

    Not dissing the Mutz, it served me well, but the Fatillac is infinitely better for everything.

    Having a Fatillac makes me seek out big lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Having a Fatillac makes me seek out big lines.
    THIS right there.

    Everytime I ride the Fatillac, I feel like hooning. It makes me want to rob a bank...


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    Yesterday I blew off work to go ride the Fatillac. I had a blast, i was in huck heaven... until i came crashing down, figuratively and literally. The hucks got progressively larger, and on my last one, I tucked the front tire on leaf cover and had a good tumble. Bent the wheel, annihilated the rear der hanger, twisted the bars and took a shot to my hip. in a word, AWESOME!!!


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    damn you mtbr with you one vid per post rule... :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    Bent the wheel, annihilated the rear der hanger, twisted the bars and took a shot to my hip. in a word,
    That didn't even look like a hard fall....

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTMNealio View Post
    That didn't even look like a hard fall....
    Ya. It's hard to imagine you did all that damage in that slide. Hopefully you have all your bad luck used up for the next while.
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    There's lots o' granite ouchy stuff under all that mulch.
    Looked like rear end cased pretty good and more nuggets coulda wrecked the der hanger on the slide down. Maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Ya. It's hard to imagine you did all that damage in that slide.
    that was my "fall", the crash came later in the ride. No video of the crash, as I was following Bojan. Someone get him a rear facing go pro, so he can film the hilarity behind him...

    the crash was a similar scenario to the fall, but it involved higher altitude, more speed and a lot more tumbling. I had dirt in my nose and ear afterword...

    Thanks for your concern! Just patched up the bike a little while ago. Going to give it a go again tomorrow afternoon...

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    Cool thread, I am another north Jerzy rider, funny seeing all the old riding spots in your videos.

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    Rode yesterday morning with a small group. Finally sacked up to do this roller huck, although i took the easier of the two lines. The transition between the two rocks is rough. I never made it that far without dabbing/falling. Guess Turkey day 2017 was the day!



    Like all things on youtoobz, the vid does not do it justice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    Rode yesterday morning with a small group. Finally sacked up to do this roller huck, although i took the easier of the two lines. The transition between the two rocks is rough. I never made it that far without dabbing/falling. Guess Turkey day 2017 was the day!



    Like all things on youtoobz, the vid does not do it justice...
    I think I have more style going over that rock...


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    Quote Originally Posted by BojanMikic View Post
    I think I have more style going over that rock...
    yes, you had a much more dramatic attempt...


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    My brother has a Black Mouth Cur, big tall hound, looks like a cross between a Rhodesian and a Great Dane, fast as hell, leaps like a Gazelle, chases me down and once in a while has to slam on his brakes to keep from rear-ending me when I'm running through tight stuff. I love watching him skid through a turn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post

    Oh, i know about injury. Rodknee is a nickname from the ti rod in my leg. Rodney sounds better than Screwed Pelvis...

    Screwed pelvis myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BojanMikic View Post
    This is how you get better at biking: you get chased by a dog (Zeus)
    your dog is awesome! I love how he does all the features, and then makes up some of them on his own... It is damn cool to watch!

    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Screwed pelvis myself.
    nice! how did you break yours? I got hit by a car...

    I broke one of the screws a 15+ years ago



    ...and now it is backing out.



    Nothing like a loose washer banging around in your pelvis... Not sure how I am going to proceed, but I am positive it will be months off the bike...

    So, yesterday I did a 10 mile single track ride with a group of buds. Came across this old jump in the woods. I kicked it, and it felt solid. Fuggit, I went for it...


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    Found and fixed up a new line


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    small airtime, but i love the added sound effects... LOL


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    Friends don't let friends record vertical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wreckster View Post
    Friends don't let friends record vertical.
    that was Beer josh. You can tell him that when you see him.

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    WOW, 4 weeks since I posted in this thread? oops...

    a few weeks ago we had our first real snowfall of the season. Curious how it would work, I took the Fatillac equipped w/ FBF/FBR on 50mm rims out in a few inches of slop.




    suffice to say, it didn't work very well. I had ok grip when the tire was square with the ground, but any sort of lean angle and away she went. It was not confidence inspiring to say the least. I made the whole ride without hitting the ground, but I definitely got the drifter of the day award...

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    Drop pressure or run studs, nothing does well on snowy rocks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Drop pressure or run studs, nothing does well on snowy rocks
    Our trails are running great with standard MTB tires and lots of rocks/snow. It's the ice that's killer, but living on the coast temps are usually mild enough for that not to a problem.

    Agreed that you should lower tire pressure if you can and soften your suspension to max traction.

    Rodney what tires are you running?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Drop pressure or run studs, nothing does well on snowy rocks
    I have bent 3 wheels in as many months, so pressure has been dropped to the lowest it can be without destroying wheels. I have been defaulting to my studded Wednesday for snow days.

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    I forgot about this thread, but didn't forget about my Fatillac! I still love it. Best bike i have owned or ridden thus far. Here are some pics of this past season:






    Quote Originally Posted by BojanMikic View Post
    I think I have more style going over that rock...
    well, i finally beat your style. in fact, i crushed it. check it:

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    nice socks.

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    Need moar this.

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    nice socks.
    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Need moar this.
    need more socks? I couldn't agree more...


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    So, I had an itch I just needed to scratch... Behold the enduro B Fatty! 27.5x4 on 50mm hoops, Dorado paired with a MRP Raze coil spring shock...





    I just spun around a bit at the house. Surprisingly, it pedals well. Wifey killed the fun, and yelled at me for jumping off the deck...

    Tomorrow is the shakedown run. I have a sh!t ton of tunin' to do, but so far so good!

    *BIG THANKS* TO MIKE CURIAK for the help and parts hookup. I really appreciate it.

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    nice shocks

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    For gooning around I'm not sure there's ever been a bike as adept as the Fatillac.

    With the new squishy bits you just went to Full Thug mode. Strong work.

    Thread needs more consistent updates!

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    Weíll thatís a nice Fat-Duro bike!


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    First ride with the Fatillac in enduro trim was Sunday. Geo was a bit weird going slow, but we all know that is not what she is made to do...

    Determination or sharting? you decide...


    Rare instance of me being up front...



    "I BELIEVE I CAN FLY..."


    My 9mo old pointer mix, Max, on his first group ride


    Max killin' it on the skinnies...


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    took the day off work yesterday to go work on some trails. blood was shed...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post

    "your arm's off!"

    "no it isn't..."
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    don't try new features when you are tired...

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    tried again, made it by the skin of my teeth. i crashed again shortly afterword and called it a day at that point. i was whooped.


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    finally was able to get possession off the raw file from last months "Rodney's Huck" cherry pop. I was nose high, but I pulled it off. Camera angle doesn't do it justice, it is a rough entry...


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    blew off work to go ride with my puppy and a few friends today. rubbed the tire on the crown of the dorado, i need to change fork height...


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    i love how my puppy was following me, and his buddy following him...


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    Love the frenchman laugh at the end of that vid.

    Been a few years since I owned a Dorado, but isn't there a hydraulic bottom out resist knob? Or am I thinking of the newer Magnum/Mattoc?

    Easy enough to slip the legs down in the crowns if not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Been a few years since I owned a Dorado, but isn't there a hydraulic bottom out resist knob?
    there is a TPC+, which is supposed to address bottoming out.

    to be honest, i was sloppy on that one hit, but the tire touched the crown, so i would imagine it will happen again. I need to make some sort of change.

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    Easy enough to slip the legs down in the crowns if not.
    Agreed. When i first set it up, in an effort to run the lowest AC measurement, I slid the fork legs up to max height. Then i pulled the air out, compressed the fork, and measured 15mm from the top of the tire to the crown. I assumed this was good enough, but i guess i need a smidge more.

    I was getting tired, toward the end of the ride, evidence below:


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    It was Max's second group ride, and he was learning from Zeus the best way to block the trail....

    Longer version of the above vid:


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    It was Max's second group ride, and he was learning from Zeus the best way to block the trail....

    Longer version of the above vid:

    I hate when people bring dogs on a MTB rides, especially dogs that Huck-Block...


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    Quote Originally Posted by BojanMikic View Post
    I hate when people bring dogs on a MTB rides, especially dogs that Huck-Block...
    you would know, your dog is a professional huck blocker...

    yesterday I did a 18 mile stream riding tour... well, it wasn't supposed to be like that, but it ended up that way... i swapped out the 700# boinger for the monarch, and it climbed surprisingly well. huck pics on the way...



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    The external actuated Fox transfer does not like being under 32 degrees, and combined with a hand surgery, and it was a long dormant winter for the Fatillac...

    Wifey wants to ride some rail trail, and all my wheelsets have big knobbage, so with the help of another mtbr user, I ordered up some Duro Fleetwoods.

    Behold, the Motard Fatillac!



    The Fleetwoods are mounted on Blizzerk 90 hoops. Clearance is tight'ish at the front of the stays, but it should be fine as this setup won't see any mud.

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    There's no knobs on them tires!

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    Love this thread, I'm guessing that the Fatillac cried a little when it saw those new sneakers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat-in-Fundy View Post
    Love this thread, I'm guessing that the Fatillac cried a little when it saw those new sneakers?
    maybe it did cry, i am not sure. I closed it up in the basement so I could not hear the whining...


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    Doc says 5 more weeks till I can "ride", so Sunday I meandered around with the fatillac while trail dog training...

    Max chomping at the bit, waiting to get going
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    Who's a good boy? MAX IS!

    Moose says hi
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Who's a good boy? MAX IS!
    wait, you are not saying MY max is a good boy, are you? If so, my couch cushions and my keene's would disagree with you...


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    Holy SCHNIKEES!!!

    That dog needs a run.

    Other than that, I know that dogs typically take on the personality of their human, so, I dunno, seems about right?

    Do you jor him or does he run free?

    Moose will never run free, again.

    Much of a good boy as he is, he disappeared after deer twice with absolutely ZERO recall capabilities, one time had to spend the night in the park waiting for him, found him the next morning, rooting for garbage, er, breakfast in a campers garbage can.....

    Fool me twice? Permaleash.

    Joring is a blast, one that almost tries to kill you periodically too though....
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    Lol awesome. We take our pup to doggy daycare so that hopefully doesn't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Holy SCHNIKEES!!!

    That dog needs a run.

    Other than that, I know that dogs typically take on the personality of their human, so, I dunno, seems about right?

    Do you jor him or does he run free?

    Moose will never run free, again.
    Max has wicked separation anxiety. All of the damage he has done was because we were outside, and he was inside. he killed 3 of the 4 cushions last fall when i was doing leaf cleanup. when he is home alone, so far, so good.

    Max is currently 15mos old. In the beginning, we did not use a leash in the yard. But, then he started bolting into the woods 50% of the time. So, now i have a 25' paracord line loosely attached to him when playing at the house, and he just drags it around. So far that that curbed his propensity to just take off.

    out in the trail, totally different story. he LOVES to run. I tried the paracord lead, and he was constantly getting stuck on trees/rocks etc.

    when we are going slower (uphill) he does make his own trail and kinda of disappears sometimes. my recall is 50/50. sometimes he is on point, and other times he is belligerent to my call.

    most of the ride is like this:


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    We take our pup to doggy daycare so that hopefully doesn't happen.
    wow, baller! question for you: do the trust fund checks come monthly or quarterly?
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    Rescue? Yep, Moose is, and he too, has bad separation anxiety.

    While a tired dog is a happy dog, he needs help. He's actually on prozac, which does a nice job.

    Never thought I'd say that I had a dog on ha[[y pills, but it was a trainer who suggested it....

    Depending on how he settles in, there's another option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Rescue? Yep, Moose is, and he too, has bad separation anxiety.
    Yep, Max is a rescue. Came from Alabama.

    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    ...He's actually on prozac, which does a nice job.

    Never thought I'd say that I had a dog on ha[[y pills, but it was a trainer who suggested it....
    i had one trainer suggest CBD oil and cookies. Didn't work. Next trainer suggested drugs, and that just doesn't seem right. I am going to bow out and try to sort him the old fashioned way...

    Rode ~10 techy miles with Max and another buddy today. He ran around like crazy for the first hour, but settled in for hours 2 and 3, running just ahead or behind me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    Max has wicked separation anxiety. All of the damage he has done was because we were outside, and he was inside. he killed 3 of the 4 cushions last fall when i was doing leaf cleanup. when he is home alone, so far, so good.

    Max is currently 15mos old. In the beginning, we did not use a leash in the yard. But, then he started bolting into the woods 50% of the time. So, now i have a 25' paracord line loosely attached to him when playing at the house, and he just drags it around. So far that that curbed his propensity to just take off.

    out in the trail, totally different story. he LOVES to run. I tried the paracord lead, and he was constantly getting stuck on trees/rocks etc.

    when we are going slower (uphill) he does make his own trail and kinda of disappears sometimes. my recall is 50/50. sometimes he is on point, and other times he is belligerent to my call.

    most of the ride is like this:




    wow, baller! question for you: do the trust fund checks come monthly or quarterly?
    Congrats on the worst joke of the day. Coming from a guy that has no couch lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    Congrats on the worst joke of the day. Coming from a guy that has no couch lol.


    fyi, I have a couch, just 4 of the 7 cushions are gone, never to be seen again.
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    Slow going lately, as progress with my hand has been moving at a snail like pace...

    Couple weeks ago I did a ride with Max. He ended up cutting his pads on this ride:


    While Max was down for the count, I swapped over to the supermoto wheels and rode the rail trail with the wife:

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    Max's paws were all healed up, so today I took him to a new trail system. He is luck a duck taking to water, he loves hammering the trails! He was killing it!

    At the trailhead, waiting for his riding buddy


    around the 10 mile mark:


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    The brown santa showed up and delivered my new baby...



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    That is purdy.
    Any difference between the 17 and the 19 frames?
    Torn between a Fatillac and a Behemoth

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    That is purdy.
    Any difference between the 17 and the 19 frames?
    Torn between a Fatillac and a Behemoth
    the differences you can see is the 19 have a reinforced headstock, single piece seat tube and lower shock bracket redesign. my particular fatillac has adjustable chainstays, from 425mm to 441mm, to allow it to run the taller crop of 27.5x4 and 29x3.

    from my understanding, the geo is the same. i have not ridden the 19 yet, as i don't have the cashola to finish it... my hand recovery is fighting me a bit, so i am not pushing the issue with the wife... yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    The brown santa showed up and delivered my new baby...



    Nice. Best review for a bike is when someone buys a 2nd one! Enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    The brown santa showed up and delivered my new baby...



    LMK if you decide to sell the old one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Nice. Best review for a bike is when someone buys a 2nd one! Enjoy.
    eggszachary!

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    LMK if you decide to sell the old one?
    thanks, but i have no interest in selling. the brown bike will become the enduro fatillac with dorado and coilover full time.

    the bikes are friggin awesome, they climb like goats, yet decend insanely well. they will manual over anything #wouldbangagainandagain
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    blew off work, heading out for a ride shortly on the Fatillac with Max!
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    Is the green machine up and running yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobine View Post
    Is the green machine up and running yet?
    no siree, probably not going to happen this year. between the house issues that popped up and the $43k bicycle shed, i have no $ to finish the build.

    I just snapped a pic of it's current resting place, under the spare bed...



    I have ridden the Fatillac v.1 a bunch lately, but mostly w/ Max. Not a lot of pics or vid. Small roller from a few days ago-

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    I pu55ied out on this particular roller...



    The video does not do that roller justice. It is multi tiered, with a big root in the middle of it. The bottom section is blind from the top... My excuse? Combine the moistness from the previous night's rain with my lackluster confidence, and I sallied out.
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    been steadily getting back into the groove on the brown Fatillac.

    medium sized spine (didn't look at it beforehand, and it almost bit me)

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    a small quick roller with an awkward entry

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    Been relatively dry here lately, been crushing it on the Fatillac. And when i say crushing it, I am referring to my big toe...

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