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    Bonking ... not feelin' well R.I.P my dear Pugs...

    It is with great sadness that i have to tell you all that my beloved Pugsley has suffered unrepairable damage after a crash 2.5 weeks ago.

    I was on my way to a small festival when my handlebars got clipped by another biker that made a sudden move to the left.
    This minor tap against the bars was enough to send me and my bike towards and somersaulting over a bridgerail dividing the bikepath fron the normal road.
    (Yeah for living in the netherlands with proper bicycle infrastructure)
    At first when i checked the bike i thought that there was nothing wrong with it even though we had a pretty hard crash, and assumed that i was lucky that the big tire and suspension fork took most of the blow and dampened it a bit.
    So i just got back on and got on my way.

    Today i grabbed the Pug from the dark basement, took of my frambag and went to the shop.
    And when i was about to lock up the bike i noticed the Surly decal seemed a bit strange...

    It was then that i discovered that the toptube and downtube had buckled under the force of the impact.
    So it was a sad realisation that this was going to be one of the last rides on the best bike i ever had.


    Does anyone know where i can find a NOS, 22" pre-2012 frame ?
    (I am using rimbrakes and a newer model would also mean that i would have to have another framebag made to fit in the frame)
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    You going to junk the frame?

    Let's rebuild him. We have the technology.
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    You should have just left the framebag on.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Diller View Post
    You going to junk the frame?

    Let's rebuild him. We have the technology.
    I don't know what i will be doing with the frame...
    Maybe chop it up and rake it out to make a fat-mtb-cruiser ?

    Quote Originally Posted by donkey View Post
    You should have just left the framebag on.....
    I think you are right.
    Last edited by Rabies010; 10-04-2012 at 04:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabies010 View Post
    I don't know whet i will be doing with the frame...
    Maybe chop it up and rake it out to make a fat-mtb-cruiser ?
    That would be a thing to do.

    Whatever it is, fabricate something with it, or have a pro do it. Don't scrap it!
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    I have a friend who is a pretty good metal worker, so i guess we will have to stay up late and discuss it while intoxicated.
    But scrapping it, isn't a thing that is was thinking about.
    Hell, i even think it would look good just hanging on the wall...

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    Good to read you're OK!

    That must have been à pretty hard impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabies010 View Post
    I don't know whet i will be doing with the frame...
    Maybe chop it up and rake it out to make a fat-mtb-cruiser ?



    I think you are right.
    Can you just bend some of the other tubes so it rides straight again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabies010 View Post
    I have a friend who is a pretty good metal worker, so i guess we will have to stay up late and discuss it while intoxicated.
    But scrapping it, isn't a thing that is was thinking about.
    Hell, i even think it would look good just hanging on the wall...
    i suppose wall art may be the last place however when one becomes intoxicated perhaps a better may surface.

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    I've always thought about making a huge wind chime with my cracked bike frames. Sorry to hear about your pugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crafft View Post
    Good to read you're OK!

    That must have been à pretty hard impact.
    I wasn't riding at a high speed, but hit the bridgerail at an approximate 45 degree angle and i weigh around 265/270 pounds.
    As for myself, aside from a painfull knee, bruised shouder and a bruised ego i got of relativly good.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil View Post
    Can you just bend some of the other tubes so it rides straight again?
    I don't think that will be necessary, it's still pretty straight.
    As i mentioned, i didn't even notice it until i removed my frambag.
    But on the way back i paid a bit more attention to how it was handling, and it does feel a tiny bit more responsive.

    Quote Originally Posted by ~gomez~ View Post
    I've always thought about making a huge wind chime with my cracked bike frames. Sorry to hear about your pugs.
    I will keep that one in mind as a last option.

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    bummer duood.

    I say crank down some hose clamps on the affected areas and keep on riding.

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    One of the things that bothers me the most, is that my first ride on it was on oct 12 last year...
    I wish i could go out for a nice ride, but my skinny 26ers just don't bring me the joy i am looking for.

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    Some S&S couplers, a pair of new tubes, and you could have the first folding fatbike.
    As little bike as possible, as silent as possible.
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    It looks like it might fold without the couplers....

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    I've got a use for cracked frames.. Always looking for more.

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    Oh, great idea! You should repurpose the rear triangle or something, like a bike trailer or a chair or an extra cycle!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    Some S&S couplers, a pair of new tubes, and you could have the first folding fatbike.
    That won't top your fatfrontwheeldrivefoldingrecumbentunicyclewithatra inigwheel or what was it called again ?

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    I've got a use for cracked frames.. Always looking for more.

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    That is awesome !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nakedbabytoes View Post
    Oh, great idea! You should repurpose the rear triangle or something, like a bike trailer or a chair or an extra cycle!
    That extracycle idea isn't a bad one at all, but i was already thinking of doing something like that with my original fork.

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    Fat bike tag-along with the rear, use the front fork for the extra-cycle....


    Oh, and sorry for the loss...

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    Nz surly distributor should have something maybe? Try him

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    might want to check the frame builder forum
    maybe one of those guys can hook you up with a local builder
    you should be able to salvage the rear triangle
    tubes are kind of cheep you just need skills
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Bob View Post
    Fat bike tag-along with the rear, use the front fork for the extra-cycle....


    Oh, and sorry for the loss...
    Thank's for the sympathy and thinking along.

    Quote Originally Posted by clockd View Post
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    Nz surly distributor should have something maybe? Try him
    Thank's for thinking along as well.
    But i think that ordering from NZ would make it a bit expensive because they have to send it halfway across the globe to the Netherlands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowerJoe View Post
    might want to check the frame builder forum
    maybe one of those guys can hook you up with a local builder
    you should be able to salvage the rear triangle
    tubes are kind of cheep you just need skills
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    and no I am not associated with them or have used there product but it gives you a ballpark Idea


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    Thank's Joe.

    It could be an option.
    But i just stumbled upon this thread : http://forums.mtbr.com/29er-bikes/bu...ey-537775.html
    So i will send a mail to Surly and see if they can help me out.

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    Sorry about the frame, ouch ! Glad you are ok

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    Hey Rabies, sorry to hear about your Pugs

    The very best of luck in your search for a cantied 22" my friend
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    Given you were here sharing the results of your spill i totally missed the fact of your emotional connection with the bike and now seeking a way to make use of it in my earlier post, please accept my apologies for the 'duh' moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    Sorry about the frame, ouch ! Glad you are ok
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Feelygood ! View Post
    Hey Rabies, sorry to hear about your Pugs

    The very best of luck in your search for a cantied 22" my friend
    Thank's guys !
    I already have started to bother people in different countrys to see if they can provide me with a frame.
    Somewhere out there, there must be someone that has what i'm looking for tucked away in a dark basement that time forgot.
    (And who knows, maybe it will be a purple one ?)

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    It just might be me, but why is it you don't just replace the damaged tubes, have it re-painted, and call it a day?

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    I think it will be to much work as i am not skilled enough to do it by myself, and i don't have acces to a proper jig.
    And in my mind i will still be riding a compromised frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabies010 View Post
    I think it will be to much work as i am not skilled enough to do it by myself, and i don't have acces to a proper jig.
    And in my mind i will still be riding a compromised frame.
    You could be riding an upgraded frame like that

    Don't you have a custom builder around?


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    No, i don't have a real custom builder around.
    And even if i did, i think that could get to expensive.

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    Cool Stool !!!

    I wonder if sitting on for many hours whilst browsing MTBR would slathering of chamois cream be needed
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    It could be a good avenue to look at, it would be cheaper to replace a couple of tubes than to buy a new frame..... anyhow good to hear you are ok, its worse when the bike is ok and rider is out for 6 months
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    Cool Stool !!!

    I wonder if sitting on for many hours whilst browsing MTBR would slathering of chamois cream be needed
    I wonder....
    Would i need a special offset tool for building a sool like that from a Pugsley frame ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    It could be a good avenue to look at, it would be cheaper to replace a couple of tubes than to buy a new frame..... anyhow good to hear you are ok, its worse when the bike is ok and rider is out for 6 months
    I know what you mean.
    Earlier this year i rode the bike off a 1.5ft drop with me to far behind the saddle....
    The bike flipped from underneathe me, and i landed on my ass, leaving me with a badly bruised lower spine.
    That was good for 2.5 months of sitting on the couch and not doing to much...

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    It seems that Sage Cycles has old pugs
    Surly - Pugsley Frameset - 22-inch

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    Thank's for the tip !!

    I just typed them a mail to see if they still have them and what the shipping costs will be.
    They are $200 cheaper then what i paid for mine here in the EU.
    So that leaves extra money for shipping.

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    FYI... Sage Cycles is going through a "move" from TX to UT and currently is in flux with inventory. Give Rick an email to be sure they have that XL Pugs....

    Found one used in Cali if Sage doesn't have one

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    Thank's Bob.
    But the one in your add is a newer model.
    But it has the old color, so that's a bit confusing.

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    Yeah man! Have a new front triangle made with a tapered head tube. Ride it around and see how long it takes for internet chatter to begin.
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    Where are you situated?

    I know a good builder in EU that could sort you out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    Yeah man! Have a new front triangle made with a tapered head tube. Ride it around and see how long it takes for internet chatter to begin.

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    Where are you situated?

    I know a good builder in EU that could sort you out.


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    I live in Rotterdam in the Netherlands.
    But i seriously doubt that it will be a cheap fix.
    The material isn't to expensive, but labor is.

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    This is truly a travesty….flags at half staff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabies010 View Post
    Thank's Bob.
    But the one in your add is a newer model.
    But it has the old color, so that's a bit confusing.
    Not sure about the year, saw the add on bikepacking.net classified. In the pix it has canti studs, which is what I thought you were looking for... or is it a geo issue that would force a new frame bag?

    I know Rick from Sage personally, but haven't stayed in touch with him since he moved to Utah last year. His brick and mortar shop in TX is closing/closed and he's moving all the inventory to the brick & mortar in UT. He's a good guy, but my understanding is the communication from him has been a little slow due to all the changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Bob View Post
    Not sure about the year, saw the add on bikepacking.net classified. In the pix it has canti studs, which is what I thought you were looking for... or is it a geo issue that would force a new frame bag?

    I know Rick from Sage personally, but haven't stayed in touch with him since he moved to Utah last year. His brick and mortar shop in TX is closing/closed and he's moving all the inventory to the brick & mortar in UT. He's a good guy, but my understanding is the communication from him has been a little slow due to all the changes.
    Hmmm, this is confusing....
    It has canti-studs, AND it has a lowered toptube ?

    And yes, the main reason why i'm looking for an older style frame would be that my current framebag is made for a higher TT.

    And i hope that Rick has time to asnwer the mail and help me get a new one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabies010 View Post
    Hmmm, this is confusing....
    It has canti-studs, AND it has a lowered toptube ?

    And yes, the main reason why i'm looking for an older style frame would be that my current framebag is made for a higher TT.

    And i hope that Rick has time to asnwer the mail and help me get a new one.
    Must be a "betwen" year.....

    If Rick had the frame in the SA store, it's likely that he has it, as there aren't too many fat bikers in San Antonio. I think he has a facebook page too which may be a faster way to get in touch with him.

    Good luck with it, hope you're able to find one soon.

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    I think you're right, but it's still strange.

    I'm not on facebook.
    I think it's to bad that these days some people are easier to reach through facebook then through their regular emailadress. (or in some cases even their phone)

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    Looks like it's time for S&S couplings.

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    I just got a reply from Randy at Sagecycles :

    I am sorry. Our website is going through a major upgrade right now. The new site will be rolled out soon. The current website has some items that are no longer available. so sorry. good luck in your search.

    So i am still looking for (preferably NOS) an older style frame in 22" flavor....

    Anyone ?

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    Cut out the bend and join it with s&s coupler? Does it matter where you join it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boogman View Post
    Cut out the bend and join it with s&s coupler? Does it matter where you join it?
    I would rather spend some more money on a new frame, then put money in a frame that will still be damaged in a way.
    And if the TT and DT have suffered damage, i think it's only fair to asume that the BB area is a bit off as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabies010 View Post
    I just got a reply from Randy at Sagecycles :
    I am sorry. Our website is going through a major upgrade right now. The new site will be rolled out soon. The current website has some items that are no longer available. so sorry. good luck in your search.
    Bad news. I had some long-time plans to buy this frameset too.
    So, may be here? 22" purple legend:
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    How about buying an old 1x1, cutting the front off and getting it welded to your Pug.

    That would eliminate a lot of the hassles in alignment. Just find a good welder - look around your nearest airfield, there's bound to be at least one.

    You could call it the Wunsley
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    Quote Originally Posted by lpt1 View Post
    Bad news. I had some long-time plans to buy this frameset too.
    So, may be here? 22" purple legend:
    Surly Pugsley Frame - americancycle.com bmx parts, bmx frames, bmx bikes, bicycle mail order, cranks, wheels, online
    Once again i am very thankfull !!
    Only thing to do now is kill 2 hours before i can call them.
    I hope they will send it to Europe though, because they do mention this :

    This manufacturer currently prefers that we sell this item in our retail store. Call or email to order this item. This item is available for pickup at our retail location. Please call ahead so we can have it ready.

    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    How about buying an old 1x1, cutting the front off and getting it welded to your Pug.

    That would eliminate a lot of the hassles in alignment. Just find a good welder - look around your nearest airfield, there's bound to be at least one.

    You could call it the Wunsley
    I'm thinking of cutting of the seat and chainstays and headtube.
    And then take the headtube and place it where the BB used to be, and heat and bend down the seatstays to connect with the headtube.
    This way i will end up with a extrawheel trailer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabies010 View Post
    I hope they will send it to Europe though, because they do mention this
    They sent two moonlander framesets to Russia in 2011.
    And they have discount promo codes
    Coupons - americancycle.com bmx parts, bmx frames, bmx bikes, bicycle mail order, cranks, wheels, online

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpt1 View Post
    They sent two moonlander framesets to Russia in 2011.
    And they have discount promo codes
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    And thank's again !


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    Good news and bad news...

    The bad news is that getting an older style frameset from the US is difficult and effing expensive due to shippingcosts and taxes that will be added after customs.

    The good news is that i have just received a response to my 2 emails and messages left on their answering machine :

    If you have pictures of your frame we’d be happy to take a look at those. I can tell you that generally, if you’ve been in a crash, that will not be covered under warranty. We will cover it if we made the frame incorrectly, but not if the damage is due to crashing. We can’t make a frame that will withstand the forces of all kinds of crashes. And if we could, no one would want to ride it. Even a small crash can cause lots of damage if the impact is in the right (or rather, wrong) place.

    I don’t have any visibility of frames that exist in shops, so finding one with cantilever bosses is going to be a herculean task. Generally, these have tended to be sold as special orders, so shops don’t usually have them sitting on the sales floor. They also very likely will not have a frame that’s of the older style. We’ve sold these to hundreds of shops and it’s not in the cards to call each of them.

    We can, however, offer a crash replacement frame through our distributor local to you. This would be a new frame and the price would have to be worked out with the local provider.
    I replied with the question if they can help me out with obtaining a framset from a retailer in the US.
    So even if they can not help me getting an older style frameset, i will be getting a crash discount !
    And i can only say that i think that is a great deal, since crashes are not covered under warranty.
    And i am very thankfull for that !!
    Great service from Surly.
    Last edited by Rabies010; 10-16-2012 at 04:11 PM.

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    Dilemma.

    Well, i'm in a bit of a dilemma....
    surly has offered me a 15% crash discount replacement, wich is cool.
    But here is the snag :
    I would have to get a new frameset through a local dealer.
    Wich would mean that i would get a 15% discount on a $750 frameset. (Yes, you pay a lot more here in the EU)
    But this would also mean that i would have to order a new $130 framebag. (there goes my 15%)

    Or...
    Buy a older model frameset in the US for $540 and cough up the extra costs to ship it to the EU. (aprox $660 in total)
    With help of a certain forummember (who will remain nameless for now) in a way that will help me avoid the extra duty's that Dutch costomservices will add. (aprox 40%)
    And use the 15% for another Surly model.

    Using the 15% on another model would be a great excuse to start the build of a new bike i can hear some of you think.
    That's so true !
    But i already have a Karate Monkey on the stand that is waiting to be to be completed.
    And i'm trying to sell my Cannondale because i don't use it anymore since i have had the Pug.
    So another bike would mean pouring more money into a bike that probably won't see much use.
    And if i would choose another one, wich one should i take ?
    I have no interest in a Moonlander or a regular skinny tired frame, a Krampus would end up costing me a fortune and i can use the 29+ Knard's on a Pugsley as well, and i have a KM so no need for an Ogre....

    Dilemma's, dilemma's...

    (And my washer/dryer has died on me as well, but that can wait, because i can do my laundry at my parents place)

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