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    Older Pugsley and older Karate Monkey TT/standover height comparison

    I am currently thinking of buying an 2nd hand KM for cheap, and making that a new project.
    And now i am wondering if and how much difference there is in the height of the TT of the 2 bikes.
    Both are the older model that still has the higher TT and both are 22"
    Is there someone that has them both and has a picture of them side by side ?
    (smaller framesizes are good as well, as long as both frames are the same size)

    Thank's in advance !

    (I also posted this in the Surly forum)

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    Check the back catalogs over at the surly website. They have the geometry numbers listed with each frame.

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    Tnx, but...
    Not all the numbers are listed, the Pugs is missing some.
    And pics are always worth more than a thousand words or numbers.

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    Dunno if these help but here are both bikes in 18" medium , from 3 years ago, look how clean they are! , i still have them both, well a Mk 1 purple frame now instead that grey which i sold to friend Yodagoat, i like the larger triangle for carrying , and storage room for bags or bottles, but i do not get snow here much

    Km feels slightly longer in cockpit despite same bars and stem seat post etc...


    cheviots,cannon 004 by coastkid71, on Flickr


    cheviots,cannon 005 by coastkid71, on Flickr


    cheviots,cannon 002 by coastkid71, on Flickr

    My pugsley is out on loan for a few days or i would measure them both for you
    plan it...build it....ride it...love it....
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    Bruce, once again i am very thankfull for your info.
    These are exactly the shots i was looking/hoping for.
    (it was because of your films that i pulled the trigger on the Pugs, and thanks to these pics you are now also responsible for pulling the trigger on a KM)
    It seems that it's a go, and i will start the negotiations with the seller first thing tomorow !

    *Edit.
    The larger triangle/space for a frambag is also a big + in my book.
    And it seems that i will be ordering another bag as well in the near future.

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    My Epic Designs 18" pugsley bag fits the KM perfectly,

    Both bikes have been great, the pugsley is still my main bike
    The Moonlander is my bonus bike!, i have that instead of a full suss bike - which i would have to drive an hour to make full use of.

    Trying to talk myself out of a Salsa Fargo frameset now, for road/commuting/easy trails now, but it is not working
    plan it...build it....ride it...love it....
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    An Epic/Revelate or PR bag would be nice, but imo to expensive with the shipping/customs making it at least 30% more expensive.
    I will order another one from Bikebags
    For 50 ex shipping i think it's a good deal for us europeans.

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    Well, i have contacted the seller and exchanged a few mails, and he stayed quiet for the last few days.
    And this morning the ad of the bike is gone...
    To bad, i was looking forward to this project.

    Thanks anyway for the pics Bruce !

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