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    Interesting. Awesome that you've found something to scratch your itch.

    The Warrior tire is marked 3.7". Have you measured casing width? Compared it to a Knard? In your last pic they look very similar in width.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    ...The Warrior tire is marked 3.7". Have you measured casing width? Compared it to a Knard? In your last pic they look very similar in width.
    On the 85mm rim @ 15psi, both casings measure 90mm wide.
    The Knard tread is 79mm (3.1") wide with the Warrior tread at 91mm (3.6") which qualifies for most fat bike races including the Birkie. I suspect that on the 96mm alloy rim, the Warrior would measure 3.7" wide.
    The Warrior was designed to be a low profile fat tire with the tread spread out to take advantage of the larger diameter and lower mass of a 29+. I like to call it 'Bud Light' ...same great diameter with one-third fewer calories.
    The next run of the Warrior tire will have the outer tread enlarged to 3.8", improving traction in deeper snow while also enabling it to qualify for the Fat Bike Nationals.

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    How easy was that rim to set up tubeless? How reliable at low psi's?

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    what is the skinniest tire that would work on the Stans Hugo 29? I have a set of these wheels with dirt wizard 3.0 on my fatbike and am thinking of buying a salsa bucksaw frame to swap in. The only issue is on Salsa's website, it says it only has the tire clearance for a 29 by 2.4 wheel. not 29+. So anyone have any rear world experience with these rims with 2.4 tire on it? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbum1 View Post
    what is the skinniest tire that would work on the Stans Hugo 29? I have a set of these wheels with dirt wizard 3.0 on my fatbike and am thinking of buying a salsa bucksaw frame to swap in. The only issue is on Salsa's website, it says it only has the tire clearance for a 29 by 2.4 wheel. not 29+. So anyone have any rear world experience with these rims with 2.4 tire on it? Thanks.
    What size Bucksaw? It's been said that the large and extra large will fit some of the smaller plus tires, like the dirt wizard and the tire that panaracer makes

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    Anyone have any experience with the newer 2.6 tires on Stans Hugo rims? I am wondering how skinny of a tire you can get away this and still have a decent tire shape. Thanks.

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    I used 2.35" Nicotine on my 50mm rim and the profile looked ok to me, FWIW
    but that was winter - you don't lean much on ice/snow Notubes Hugo 52mm Rim-nicotine-50mm.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    How easy was that rim to set up tubeless?
    No problem. We set up two wheelsets using a FattyStripper with a rim strip covering the holes.

    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    How reliable at low psi's?
    I have run them at 4-5psi in fresh snow with no problems. They run best at 8-10 psi on groomed snow. FWIW, my bike is 240lbs with me on it.
    BTW, These are hookless rims so I would not recommend running them over 20psi with 120tpi tires that are not 'tubeless ready'.
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    Good info. But -- I asked about "low" psi's. 4-5 isn't very low -- more like medium/high. Any experience with these at ~1psi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbum1 View Post
    Anyone have any experience with the newer 2.6 tires on Stans Hugo rims? I am wondering how skinny of a tire you can get away this and still have a decent tire shape. Thanks.
    I am running 2.8 Speedsters on Hugos and would not want to run them on anything narrower but then a again, I am 90% road commuting on that wheelset.
    As for shape, see photos at post #187 this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Good info. But -- I asked about "low" psi's. 4-5 isn't very low -- more like medium/high. Any experience with these at ~1psi?
    1psi means the contact patch is 1sq in / 1lb of total bike weight. For a 170lb rider on a 30lb bike, that would be 200 sq in of tire flat on the ground (6.5" x 17" oval contact patch). That would require at least a 100mm wide rim with a 5" tire just to keep the rim afloat inside the tire.
    That's getting into Bud/Lou/Clown Shoe area.
    The Warriors are intended to out perform 4 x 26 tires on a groomed trail.
    As one of the Birkie podium riders put it, "Riding the Warrior compared to a D4 feels like cheating."

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    Thanks for the lecture. We run less than one PSI probably 80% of our ride time on snow. It is a very good and very rare day that we get above one PSI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Thanks for the lecture. We run less than one PSI probably 80% of our ride time on snow. It is a very good and very rare day that we get above one PSI.
    It's just applied physics. Even on an 85mm rim, a pair of 188mm b-b tires will not support more than 100lbs @ 1psi

    We got 7" of fresh heavy snow yesterday so I dropped Bud & Lou down to 3 psi and did a half dozen laps through the Baird Creek Trails to groom them for the 4" bikes.
    Heartrate 150 bpm, speed 2 mph

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    ...We run less than one PSI probably 80% of our ride time on snow. It is a very good and very rare day that we get above one PSI.
    Well, I went back out today and dropped the pressure until I could push down on the tire with my hand and make the casings start to wrinkle (1.5 - 2.0 psi)
    It was really sluggish and squirmy on groomed snow but I have to admit, it did float better on the deep stuff.

    Notubes Hugo 52mm Rim-groomingthewoods180415-1.jpg
    Definitely can't run Hugos in these conditions. (attempting to stay on topic )
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    Quote Originally Posted by bruto View Post
    I used 2.35" Nicotine on my 50mm rim and the profile looked ok to me, FWIW
    but that was winter - you don't lean much on ice/snow Click image for larger version. 

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    really, I corner knee down in winter, speedway style, but only with studs, therefore rounded profile is key for that

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