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    Nextie 105mm single/double wall Rim

    Nextie 105mm rims now available! Not a plug from me, just thought i'd share as they look awesome!

    They weigh in at 580g each. The pic shows a spoke hole offset at +/- 2mm but production rims will be offset 5mm.

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    Interesting shape. Kind of splits the difference between heavier doublewall and the HEDs.
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    I see some very substantial benefits to these for winter riding:

    Compared to double wall rims:

    1. Much lighter
    2. No risk of water getting trapped between the walls
    3. Using neoprene washers can be setup tubeless without tape

    Compared to existing single wall rims:

    1. Smooth outer shape should minimize snow retention
    2. Much less expensive
    3. Wider than the HEDs and more available than the Kuroshiro rims
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    ^^ I have even heard of some folks skipping the tape and gasketed washers and just letting the sealant do its job on the nipples!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Interesting shape. Kind of splits the difference between heavier doublewall and the HEDs.
    They use this similar profile in an 85mm width too. Just fyi, sounds like ya have'nt seen them yet.
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    Does anyone know if there is there a Chinese carbon frame that can handle these with 4.8's?

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    I like the shape because the reinforcement against spoke pull-out is thick.

    Having carbon fibers joined around a small hole is never a fun time, so anything to help in those zones is good. Especially true if they are drilling to create the holes (vs in-molding).
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    How much do these cost?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkerik View Post
    ^^ I have even heard of some folks skipping the tape and gasketed washers and just letting the sealant do its job on the nipples!
    Given my size and bike weight (about 260 total), I'd be inclined to go with the washers even if I could get a good seal without them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyHun View Post
    How much do these cost?
    Looking at Nextie's site is harder than asking here??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Diller View Post
    I like the shape because the reinforcement against spoke pull-out is thick.

    Having carbon fibers joined around a small hole is never a fun time, so anything to help in those zones is good. Especially true if they are drilling to create the holes (vs in-molding).
    Really?
    Where did you get this misinformation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Looking at Nextie's site is harder than asking here??
    Since there is an enthusiast posting about them, uh, yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyHun View Post
    Since there is an enthusiast posting about them, uh, yeah.
    In the time you posted that cute little emoji.....you could have known the price.

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    And in the time it's taken you to be a rude troll, you could have given the information and been of use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Looking at Nextie's site is harder than asking here??
    they aren't even on the website that i could find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    In the time you posted that cute little emoji.....you could have known the price.
    Wow, how rude. These rims are not on the Nextie site.

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    Single Wall 80/85mm Carbon Fat Bike Rims/Wheels

    340 looks to be the answer for the 85's. not seeing the 100's listed

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    Not on the site yet. These are just released. Brian said about $370 give or take but have not yet decided on price.
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    Probably similar options as the 85mm Xiphias.

    Wish i had a spare $2k right now! I'd get a pair of both the Xiphias and the 105mm to complement my 65mm.

    Oh the agony! Which one?

    Lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkerik View Post
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    I'm a fan of 105mm rims for soft snow. I've been on Kuroshiro's for 2 seasons. I think more people could benefit from the width than are currently using it.

    That said, I'm gonna wait a year, at least, until I encourage people onto these. The cross section just doesn't give me confidence. Especially considering how far 'out' you can get on a bike shod with rims this wide, and how absolutely hosed you'll be if something fails and you have to walk back.

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    ^^ I get it. Certainly don't want to be miles from shelter and have equipment fail in extreme conditions. Equipment that often is taken for granted when it's working but when fails the realization quickly comes that your life may be on the line. Been there, done that.

    The Kuroshiro 6105 are a single wall rim where as the Nexties have a liittle more mass and a double wall section. Of course the 6105's complex structure and (I assume due to nearly three times the cost) the quality of the layup may more than make up for any gains in strength from Nextie's bit more material and splitting that material into a single/double wall design. I don't know.

    What I do know is that I am not likely to buy a Kuroshiro rim at nearly $1k, although I would love too.

    It appears to me that Nextie is making fine rims these days. I really have been loving up my Nextie Black Eagles! I have little doubt the Xiphias or the new 105mm rim will hold up to my weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wardo78 View Post
    Does anyone know if there is there a Chinese carbon frame that can handle these with 4.8's?

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    I bet my carbon speed would, it has a 2nd dropout position for 2xl tires...
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    I am running the Dengfu FM190 and FM191 and it will clear a Dillinger 5 and Jumbo Jim 4.8 mounted to 100mm rims. There is plenty of room for those tires. it would be able to clear a wider rim with these tires. It would not be able to clear the 5.05" Vee tire though.

    Quote Originally Posted by wardo78 View Post
    Does anyone know if there is there a Chinese carbon frame that can handle these with 4.8's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    I bet my carbon speed would, it has a 2nd dropout position for 2xl tires...
    Dis' here one, I assume:
    All sizes in stock! CS-197 NEW Two position dropout Fat Bike Frame CS-197 - Xiamen Carbon Speed Sport Goods Co.,Ltd

    Did you weigh the frame? I see that they claim 1250g

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Really?
    Where did you get this misinformation?
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    Your dripping sarcasm leads me to believe you and I will fail to have a productive discussion.
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    Are most rims drilled for spoke holes or are they molded? and the the wide rims ever fail in flat part of the rim? by this i mean not the lip part. i have seen people have a rim strike at low psi and smash the lip but has anyone ever had one break in the flat part.

    Asking because i had heard that the width makes them stronger and i wonder if the double wall is way over built and a single would be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkerik View Post
    Of course the 6105's complex structure and (I assume due to nearly three times the cost) the quality of the layup may more than make up for any gains in strength from Nextie's bit more material and splitting that material into a single/double wall design. I don't know.

    I don't know either. That's why I'm going to wait and let other people be guinea pigs. I was an early adopter with Nextie and that didn't pay off. They've slowly figured their designs and processes out, but they've basically used the consumer as both their R&D facility and financier to get there.

    I'm not going to try to talk anyone into the Kuroshiro's -- because they're at that level of expensive. That said, a built set is more like double what these unproven Nextie's will come in at. Still a lotta coin, just not quite to the level of triple that you've suggested.

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    ^^ I was looking at it from the perspective of rim cost but true the hubs and spokes are part of the neccessary kit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefflinde View Post
    Are most rims drilled for spoke holes or are they molded? and the the wide rims ever fail in flat part of the rim? by this i mean not the lip part. i have seen people have a rim strike at low psi and smash the lip but has anyone ever had one break in the flat part.

    Asking because i had heard that the width makes them stronger and i wonder if the double wall is way over built and a single would be fine.

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    I don't know but these are drilled. I would think from a carbon layup process that it makes sense to drill. I would also think there is a good bit of leverage from the lip of rim to the spoke holes, however the arch or continuos arch (in awheel or rim) is perhaps the strongest forms around. Ha! Pun intended.

    Remember, when looking at the profile, the rim/wheel is not just a cross section but that 'profile' in a continuous arch around the wheel. I was thinking the same thing that it looks weak in middle but then realized the "arch". It is extra thick and time will tell as mikesee wisely says.

    Overbuilt is fine w me, especially if it is only an additional 55g per rim. Plus, as mentioned above, the shape may shod some snow that a single wall may not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkerik View Post
    ^^ I was looking at it from the perspective of rim cost but true the hubs and spokes are part of the neccessary kit.

    Shipping rims from China is a not-insignificant part of the cost that must be factored in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Dis' here one, I assume:
    All sizes in stock! CS-197 NEW Two position dropout Fat Bike Frame CS-197 - Xiamen Carbon Speed Sport Goods Co.,Ltd

    Did you weigh the frame? I see that they claim 1250g
    Espen, you may not know but does this take the 2XL? They mention 4.8" and 5" will fit on their site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Shipping rims from China is a not-insignificant part of the cost that must be factored in.
    Yes, also true.

    Last i knew, Carver at bikeman sells nextie carbons and will ship much cheaper. He still has his cost but i think it's still a savings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Dis' here one, I assume:
    All sizes in stock! CS-197 NEW Two position dropout Fat Bike Frame CS-197 - Xiamen Carbon Speed Sport Goods Co.,Ltd

    Did you weigh the frame? I see that they claim 1250g
    Might have, I'll have to check when I get back home from this trip. I know the bike is 22 or 23lbs depending on if I'm running the 65mm+D4s or 90mm+D5s. Held up to racing last season great. Haven't used the rear dropout position yet, but I might go for some 2xl tires to try it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkerik View Post
    Espen, you may not know but does this take the 2XL? They mention 4.8" and 5" will fit on their site.
    Good question. Seeing that they specifically list 5'', I assume they refer to the 2XL, even though Chao Yang has a 5.5''.

    At ''industry test standard'' 20psi, the 2XL measures right on 5.0'' on a 80mm rim, 5.2'' on a typical 100mm and I actually measured to 5.3'' for a brand new, unstretched 2XL tire on the Fatlab 100mm (unfortunately, this one had an OD that was too big, so the bead of the tire snapped'')

    Big question is chainstay and seatstay clearance with 100mm rims.

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    Anybody know when they will actually be selling these?

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    They are available now! You can inquire about them through Nextie's website.

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    ... although they are not listed, i was told they are availble.
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    I emailed them, we will see what happens. thanks.

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    They sent me a link and a coupon code for a discount, got a set on the way. Now if we get some snow this winter I'm in business!

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    I'm running 2XLs on 100mm rims on a Blackborrow. The clearance is very tight at the edge of the tread but plenty of clearance at the bead. I'm wondering if I will have problems with 105mm rims.

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    I may be wrong but I don't think any frame with 100mm bb will fit 2xl on hundies. Carved omega beast and blackborrow have 120mm bb.

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    I would also like to know how this fits on a Blackborow? Running mine DS. Was looking at the Nextie Kylin, it is also a 100 mm rim. Anyone know about the Kylin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by campykid View Post
    I may be wrong but I don't think any frame with 100mm bb will fit 2xl on hundies. Carved omega beast and blackborrow have 120mm bb.
    Wrong info (first sentence).

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    Quote Originally Posted by campykid View Post
    Carved omega beast and blackborrow have 120mm bb.
    Original Blackborow has PF132mm bottom bracket. Ditto for the Surly ICT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demondan View Post
    I would also like to know how this fits on a Blackborow? Running mine DS. Was looking at the Nextie Kylin, it is also a 100 mm rim. Anyone know about the Kylin?
    Well, I may be wrong about everything else, but know the Blackborow will fit 2XL on hundies.

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    Erd

    The ERD listed spec is the same for both the Xiphias 85mm and the 105mm rims at 542mm

    Clownshoes listed ERD spec is 543.5mm.

    This might be close enough depending on how they were measured to use the same spokes and hubs of a CS wheelset, provided the spokes don't stick up through the nipples or they have enough thread engagement. Especially on a single wall rim.

    Anyone have an accurate measurement of a CS ERD?

    @joeduda: When the 105mm rim comes in perhaps you could publish the measured ERD here.
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    Adding 3 mm, for neoprene washers, to the 542 claimed ERD here is what I get for spokes. I'll probably just use 265mm spokes on both sides.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Nextie 105mm single/double wall Rim-spokes.jpg  

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars_D View Post
    Adding 3 mm, for neoprene washers, to the 542 claimed ERD here is what I get for spokes. I'll probably just use 265mm spokes on both sides.
    3mm?! Seems quite excessive given how thin they are, and how much they smunch under tension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    3mm?! Seems quite excessive given how thin they are, and how much they smunch under tension.
    The ones I plan on using are neoprene bonded to stainless steel. What would you recommend? 2mm, 1mm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars_D View Post
    The ones I plan on using are neoprene bonded to stainless steel. What would you recommend? 2mm, 1mm?

    How thick is the stainless part?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    How thick is the stainless part?
    Hard to say--its cone shaped so a bit tough to measure--maybe 1.5- 2.0 mm. Here is where I got the idea to use 3mm:

    HED Big Deal (85mm; using rubber-backed washers!) 26" mtn rim dimensions | Freespoke
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    Here is another company selling what is seemingly the same product, hmmmm:

    https://btlos.com/fat-bike/26-inch-f...bon-fiber-rims
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    So i picked up my built wheels from the shop last night. I got these to build up a max flotation fat bike, my old Borealis Yampa that ive had for a few years. Ran a strip of packing tape over the nipples and mounted Bud and Lou Tubeless. The wheels look ludicrous on the bike, they are friggen huge, kinda of gives it the look of a "donk" automobile. Hopefully i wont need to ride the lou on the rear at "flat" pressures cause it is gonna rub. Seems fine at around 3-4 lbs though. Now all i need is some deep snow.

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    ^^ Cool!

    How about some pics? Let's see 'em!

    Same wheel tire combo I'm considering w the exception of Bud in F/R. It is my understanding that Bud and Lou fit very loose on many rims.

    How tight or loose did they fit on the 105's?
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    I will try to take some photos this weekend of it out in the wild. It has been my experience also that Bud and Lou are loose fitting on all the rims i have tried them on. Not the case on these rims. They are not overly difficult to mount on the rim but when i tried to remove the front tire last night it was damn near impossible to get it to break the bead by hand. i had to lay them it the floor with a towel beneath and step on the tire to get them loose. Definitely don't have to worry about them coming off the bead from low pressure.

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    ^^Sweet! Exactly what I wanted to hear!

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeduda View Post
    So i picked up my built wheels from the shop last night. I got these to build up a max flotation fat bike, my old Borealis Yampa that ive had for a few years. Ran a strip of packing tape over the nipples and mounted Bud and Lou Tubeless. The wheels look ludicrous on the bike, they are friggen huge, kinda of gives it the look of a "donk" automobile. Hopefully i wont need to ride the lou on the rear at "flat" pressures cause it is gonna rub. Seems fine at around 3-4 lbs though. Now all i need is some deep snow.
    Sweet!

    Can you measure the casing width at 20psi (or 10psi if you don't want to take them to 20)
    Please
    (nice to get an idea about the diference vs. 100s. I have the data on 103s, but they were non-tubeless type rims)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Sweet!

    Can you measure the casing width at 20psi (or 10psi if you don't want to take them to 20)
    Please
    (nice to get an idea about the diference vs. 100s. I have the data on 103s, but they were non-tubeless type rims)
    I don't really have calipers to measure them with, but i will see if i can come up with something. I did air them up to close to 20 to make sure they seated completely and at that pressure they rubbed. These tires have about 3 seasons on them so they are probably stretched as much as they will ever be. Give me to the weekend and i will measure them up.

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    My rim arrived about a week ago. It's light, looks great, and was easy to build and setup tubeless.

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    Would you say it makes the tire any larger than a clownshoe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChargeCookerMaxi View Post
    Would you say it makes the tire any larger than a clownshoe?
    Slightly. Maybe a few millimeters.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars_D View Post
    Adding 3 mm, for neoprene washers, to the 542 claimed ERD here is what I get for spokes. I'll probably just use 265mm spokes on both sides.
    It turns out that the spoke channel has a bit of a concave shape that prevents the washers from sitting completely flat. They still seal, but they add quite a bit of length. I should have added a full 5mm to the ERD and gone with 267mm spokes. The 265mm spokes leave about 2mm of exposed threads when used with the washers.
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    I'm semi-considering upgrading my Sarma rims to these (I'd save nearly 400g rotational weight) but won't on principle. I want 111mm rims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars_D View Post
    It turns out that the spoke channel has a bit of a concave shape that prevents the washers from sitting completely flat. They still seal, but they add quite a bit of length. I should have added a full 5mm to the ERD and gone with 267mm spokes. The 265mm spokes leave about 2mm of exposed threads when used with the washers.
    Guys, open your eyes...

    You DO NOT NEED any stupid washers or whatever to have these new nextie rims (85 and 105 mm premium ones) well-sealed...

    Just go for the correct nipples (e.g. Sapim Polyax) - and the wheels would be perfectly sealed just with the sealant (by the same principle, as it comes on the Kuroshiro wheelsets).

    I had finished already about 15-20 wheelsets, built like that (Nextie Xiphias rims + Sapim Laser spokes + Sapim Polyax nipples) with the great success... not any problems - nor during assembly, nor while riding then on the trails!

    Good luck!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Sukhov View Post
    Guys, open your eyes...

    You DO NOT NEED any stupid washers or whatever to have these new nextie rims (85 and 105 mm premium ones) well-sealed...

    Just go for the correct nipples (e.g. Sapim Polyax) - and the wheels would be perfectly sealed just with the sealant (by the same principle, las it comes on the Kuroshiro wheelsets).

    I had finished already about 15-20 wheelsets, built like that (Nextie Xiphias rims + Sapim Laser spokes + Sapim Polyah nipples) with the great success... not any problems - nor during assembly, nor while riding then on the trails!

    Good luck!!!
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    Pictures or it didn't happen.
    Pictures of WHAT...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Sukhov View Post
    Pictures of WHAT...?

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    Just what I thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Sukhov View Post
    Guys, open your eyes...

    You DO NOT NEED any stupid washers or whatever to have these new nextie rims (85 and 105 mm premium ones) well-sealed...

    Just go for the correct nipples (e.g. Sapim Polyax) - and the wheels would be perfectly sealed just with the sealant (by the same principle, las it comes on the Kuroshiro wheelsets).

    I had finished already about 15-20 wheelsets, built like that (Nextie Xiphias rims + Sapim Laser spokes + Sapim Polyah nipples) with the great success... not any problems - nor during assembly, nor while riding then on the trails!

    Good luck!!!
    Good to know. I was curious how well they would seal with just polyax nipples. I should have my rims in a week or so, and bought some tape just in case, but am happy to know I'll probably not need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Sukhov View Post
    Guys, open your eyes...

    You DO NOT NEED any stupid washers or whatever to have these new nextie rims (85 and 105 mm premium ones) well-sealed...

    Just go for the correct nipples (e.g. Sapim Polyax) - and the wheels would be perfectly sealed just with the sealant (by the same principle, las it comes on the Kuroshiro wheelsets).

    I had finished already about 15-20 wheelsets, built like that (Nextie Xiphias rims + Sapim Laser spokes + Sapim Polyah nipples) with the great success... not any problems - nor during assembly, nor while riding then on the trails!

    Good luck!!!
    Comrade:
    A question one I have for thee:
    How's the effective casing with on these vs the same tires on a 100mm?
    At, sayeth, 15 or 20 psi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars_D View Post
    My rim arrived about a week ago. It's light, looks great, and was easy to build and setup tubeless.

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    What weave is that? I usually get the UD. Def looks like that classic carbon now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars_D View Post
    It turns out that the spoke channel has a bit of a concave shape that prevents the washers from sitting completely flat. They still seal, but they add quite a bit of length. I should have added a full 5mm to the ERD and gone with 267mm spokes. The 265mm spokes leave about 2mm of exposed threads when used with the washers.
    Yes they have that on my Black Eagle 65mm rims.

    Can you please confirm the ERD of the rim is 542mm w/out the washers? What is the ERD with washers?
    Btw: I doubt you really need the washers although not a bad idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volsung View Post
    I'm semi-considering upgrading my Sarma rims to these (I'd save nearly 400g rotational weight) but won't on principle. I want 111mm rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkerik View Post
    What weave is that? I usually get the UD. Def looks like that classic carbon now!

    "Usually" I only have one pair
    That is the 3K weave.

    I'd use a 547 ERD with the concave 18-8 Stainless Steel / Noeprene Bonded Sealing Washers from McMaster-Carr. Without the Washers, I'd use 542. Given my weight (over 210 lbs fully kitted plus a 50 lbs bike including gear) I think the washers are a pretty good idea even if you might not need them in the shop.
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    I ordered a set from BTLOS. One weighed in at 560g and the other 590g. Excellent quality. They built up really nice laced up to a I9 Torch 197mm rear and a DT Swiss Big Ride 150mm front with Sapim Laser spokes and polyax nipples. I tried to run them tubeless without tape but one of nipples kept blowing air so I taped them with 2 wraps of Maxi 49 Polyester/Silicone Single Coated Splicing Tape 1.5" wide. Feel better about having the tape anyway incase of the rare chance of breaking a spoke. Sealed up great and aired the tires up with a floor pump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Comrade:
    A question one I have for thee:
    How's the effective casing with on these vs the same tires on a 100mm?
    At, sayeth, 15 or 20 psi.
    Espen, what do you mean by that?

    My 2XL had come about 132 mm in the width by the knobs, and even bigger in the middle of tire wall (the casing)...

    P.S. Yeah - there is a difference between the 100 mm and 105 mm rims... on the second ones the casing goes noticable wider (and even wider than the knobs, for the most of the tires).

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    I ordered 2 singlewall wheelsets from Nextie: 65mm and 105mm, both laced to DT Swiss hubs.

    The 65mm wheelset arrived around 3 weeks after placing the order; the other around 4 weeks.

    Both wheelsets included 2 spare spokes, valves, and tape. That was a nice surprise.

    The tape appears similar to Stans tape. It's about 25ish mm wide, and like the Stans tape, doesn't have much give. With the singlewall design, the spoke nipples protrude into the rim. I did not expect that the tape would work well if I tried to pull it over the protruding nipples, so I proceeded to set up the wheels for tubeless without tape.

    I mounted Maxxis Mammoth 4 inch tires on the 65mm wheelset. I had a hell of a time getting the tire bead to seat, even with an air compressor. I went back to square one, thoroughly cleaned the tires, and applied lots of soapy water and this time got them to seat. There was a bit of Stans sealant leakage around the nipples and at the tire bead, but after shaking them around, they both sealed well after a day.

    I mounted Surly Bud and Lou 4.8 inch tires on the 105mm rims. I also had to struggle with these, but the bead seated a little bit easier. I used Revo sealant this time, and it did not go well. Lots of weeping and bubbling at the tire bead. Both tires were losing air too quickly for practical use.

    I unmounted the tires, thoroughly cleaned both, and remounted using lots of soapy water. Instead of the Revo Sealant, I used a DIY recipe found here, based on recipes discussed on MTBR. I used more sealant this time; at least 3 syringes' worth per tire. The tires continued to bubble and bleed a lot right at the bead, but sealed well after about a day.

    I ride a DenguFU FM191 frame. Previously, with the Bud and Lou on 100mm rims, the tires had between 5 and 10mm clearance at the chainstays. Now with the 105mm rims, the clearance is maybe 5. It's pretty tight. When I look down when riding, the clearance looks ok, but I don't know if it's the same story when cornering. I will need to check for frame rub. I really like the traction the Lou gives me. It would be a shame to have to go down a tire size due to lack of clearance. Clearance in the front is a non-issue. Plenty of room in the front.

    I will post some pictures this week.
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    Some pictures

    The first 4 are of the 105mm rims before mounting tires on them. The last 2 show the 4 inch Maxxis tire on the 65mm rim compared to the 4.8 Surly Bud on the 105mm rim.

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    How wide is Bud on the 105?

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    Looks like a match made in frosty haven!
    If you don't want them, I'll take em!

    It appears you placed o-rings between nipple and rim, yes? I wonder if that would be too squishy or flexy??

    I would put a piece of tape over those holes before getting any tubeless fluid in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkerik View Post
    I would put a piece of tape over those holes before getting any tubeless fluid in there.

    I built 4 of these a few weeks ago. I put a blob of glue (shoe goo, actually) over each of those 4 holes (per rim) and let it cure before inflating them tubeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkerik View Post
    Looks like a match made in frosty haven!
    If you don't want them, I'll take em!

    It appears you placed o-rings between nipple and rim, yes? I wonder if that would be too squishy or flexy??

    I would put a piece of tape over those holes before getting any tubeless fluid in there.
    I taped over the 4 small holes. I failed to notice holes in the 65mm rims before I set them up tubeless.

    I bought the wheels pre-built from Nextie. I don't believe they used o-rings between the nipples and rim, but I don't know for sure. A bit of sealant leaked out at the nipples at first, but they sealed up eventually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willum View Post
    How wide is Bud on the 105?
    About 4.8 to 4.9 inches. I have a digital caliper measurement tool, but the jaws aren't long enough to reach the widest part of the tire.
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    Tire's stuck like Glue

    Is there any Easy way to get tires off these rims once they've been mounted??? I tried prying with my hands for almost an Hour and couldn't get em off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CycleBeast View Post
    Is there any Easy way to get tires off these rims once they've been mounted??? I tried prying with my hands for almost an Hour and couldn't get em off.
    Same as any fat tire on a rim, step on the tire with the rim flat on the floor? I find that bare-feet work much better than shoes/boots because your foot moves around in the shoe
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    Thx for the advice. I've only taken tires off mulefuts before these rims and never had to go that route. I didnt think that technique was safe with carbon rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CycleBeast View Post
    Is there any Easy way to get tires off these rims once they've been mounted??? I tried prying with my hands for almost an Hour and couldn't get em off.
    I ALWAYS(!) take the tires off different Xiphias rims (85-s, 105-s, 95-s... - I have MANY of them in my garage) without any problem.
    Of course - I have quite strong hands... however, there is no real problem to take them off - just go around the rim/wheel, pushing the tire bead a little towards the center/groove, and you would succeed.
    I never spent more that 3-5 minutes per wheel, and I did it few tens times...

    P.S. Small tip - of course, you have to take the nipple (valve central part) completely off from the tubeless valve... otherwise - you WILL suffer!
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    Just got it without doin that lol, thanks a million for the response.

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    What is the consensus on those 105mm rims after they have been out for a while?

    Can anyone confirm if a 2XL on one of those rims fits into a CS-197 frame?


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    I can confirm - they would NOT fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Sukhov View Post
    I can confirm - they would NOT fit.
    Thank you for the swift reply, comrade!

    Are there any frames with a 100mm BB that could fit a Vee 2XL on this 105mm rim in the back? If yes, which ones?
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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Topo View Post
    Thank you for the swift reply, comrade!

    Are there any frames with a 100mm BB that could fit a Vee 2XL on this 105mm rim in the back? If yes, which ones?
    E.g. - Surly ICT could fit it (but, still very tight on the back).
    I had spent last winter with 2XL&105 rims on it.

    P.S. It does not have a 100 mm BB, but it is still capable to go for a just 206 mm Q-factor cranks (SRAM DUB FAT5) - so, still quite nice!







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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Sukhov View Post
    E.g. - Surly ICT could fit it (but, still very tight on the back).
    I had spent last winter with 2XL&105 rims on it.

    P.S. It does not have a 100 mm BB, but it is still capable to go for a just 206 mm Q-factor cranks (SRAM DUB FAT5) - so, still quite nice!
    Are you saying you are running a DUB SRAM crank on the original ICT?! If so, please share details?!

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    Yes, exactly. That was an idea, and it perfectly works!
    I will add some details (with photos) later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Sukhov View Post
    Yes, exactly. That was an idea, and it perfectly works!
    I will add some details (with photos) later.
    Thank you! I will be eagerly awaiting with open eyes and wallet...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohrgan View Post
    Are you saying you are running a DUB SRAM crank on the original ICT?! If so, please share details?!
    The original ICT had a pressfit 132 wide b/b shell....so using a pressfit 41 bearing and a 197 spaced crank with some spacers.....there's not rocket surgery invovled

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    The original ICT had a pressfit 132 wide b/b shell....so using a pressfit 41 bearing and a 197 spaced crank with some spacers.....there's not rocket surgery invovled
    No doubt. However, there are always subtleties involved using parts for unintended purposes. The DUB cranks are for 100mm threaded(or 121 PF) bottom brackets regardless of 177 or 197 rears. I'm assuming the DUB preload adjuster is omitted and spacers used in its place. Also, the 206mm Q Factor seems like it would be a tight fit for the ICT's wide stays. Just sayin'!

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    Did you do that by yourself?
    What Q-factor did you get then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohrgan View Post
    No doubt. However, there are always subtleties involved using parts for unintended purposes. The DUB cranks are for 100mm threaded(or 121 PF) bottom brackets regardless of 177 or 197 rears. I'm assuming the DUB preload adjuster is omitted and spacers used in its place. Also, the 206mm Q Factor seems like it would be a tight fit for the ICT's wide stays. Just sayin'!
    Have you actually mounted a crank on a ITC....or are you guessing?
    That's a rhetorical question.
    I have done it ,,,and apparently Comrade S has too
    Again....zero rocket surgery

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Have you actually mounted a crank on a ITC....or are you guessing?
    That's a rhetorical question.
    I have done it ,,,and apparently Comrade S has too
    Again....zero rocket surgery
    Yes. I built my ICT and am using the Surly OD crank. It's very heavy but the Q Factor is narrower than the RF Turbine for 190 rear. I have been looking for something lighter with similar or better Q. Thought about shaving the BB shell down to fit the 170 RF Turbine but if you and the Comrade insist the SRAM (GX?) fits I will probably give that a go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Sukhov View Post
    E.g. - Surly ICT could fit it (but, still very tight on the back).
    I had spent last winter with 2XL&105 rims on it.

    P.S. It does not have a 100 mm BB, but it is still capable to go for a just 206 mm Q-factor cranks (SRAM DUB FAT5) - so, still quite nice!
    ....
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    Thank you the detailed reply, comrade, I really like how you went all blue on your bike!
    It is interesting that a 120mm BB shell bike can be run with cranks with a Q-factor of 206mm, you never stop learning about these things. :-)
    I assume only aluminium Farleys from before or after a date of redesign will fit, do you know which ones? Or is it also frame size dependent?


    Does anyone know of other frames that allow for a Q-factor of 200-ish mm with these 105mm rims and the Vee 2XL?
    Can anyone comment on the durability of those rims, up to which kind of riding environment would you recommend them for a 90-100kg rider?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Topo View Post
    Can anyone comment on the durability of those rims, up to which kind of riding environment would you recommend them for a 90-100kg rider?

    Soft snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Topo View Post
    Can anyone comment on the durability of those rims, up to which kind of riding environment would you recommend them for a 90-100kg rider?
    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Soft snow.
    I am about that weight, and have had one of these rims on the rear of my bike for a few years now across all types of surfaces. I have not had any issues, but I am not a very aggressive rider.
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    I ride mine all year around sometimes aggressively and havent had any issues an I'm 210-220 lb. I actually asked Carver that question before I purchased them with my build and he said it shouldn't be an issue. Pretty sure they're rated for 264 lb but I could be mistaken.

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    Thank you all for weighing in on my question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkerik View Post
    ^^ I have even heard of some folks skipping the tape and gasketed washers and just letting the sealant do its job on the nipples!
    Anything with ammonia in it will eat the nipples if they are made out of aluminum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenPsz View Post
    Anything with ammonia in it will eat the nipples if they are made out of aluminum.

    That's only part of the equation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohrgan View Post
    Thank you! I will be eagerly awaiting with open eyes and wallet...!
    So, guys... please, find here some details on the "ICT + SRAM DUB5" combination. Let's go!

    If you are thinking on the best solution for the ICT cranks - in 2019 you should put your certain attention to the new SRAM DUB5 cranks (aluminum and carbon, aluminium is more preferrable to fit the ICT according my opinion).
    Technically - it would be the best solution, with the Q-factor of only 206 mm and the correct chainline for 197 mm rear end.

    So, to install it to the ICT frame you shoud do the following steps:
    - you should decrease a bit the "effective width of the BB" by removing the paint layer on its both sides with a file... just spent about two minutes to remove the paint and some small amount of the steel as well (then color it with some paint to prevent the corrosion). Take in mind, that it could be critical for the installation - otherwise, after you press in the DUB BB into the frame - it could come out, that the BB-width that you get in the result, is still too wide (by about 1-2 mm to fit the crank's axle).
    - then just throu away both spacers from BB, you would not need them.
    - then you should make the adjustment ring from the left crank also a bit thinner... so, just mill it with the file also - until you completely remove the lip on it, that goes against the crank bosy (in total - you should remove about 2 mm of plastic material, in thickness).
    - then just knock in the left crank into the frame and attach the right one to it. Check that the rotation, after you tighten it, is still free... if not - you should have been mill more (from the frame or from the adjustment ring).

    That's it! Now, just enjoy your ride!

    P.S. Sorry, I do not have now any photos "in process/details" (successfully built already 3 ICT's with that solution) - only the result.
    Check out these nice pics and the perfection of the black beast!









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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Sukhov View Post
    So, guys... please, find here some details on the "ICT + SRAM DUB5" combination. Let's go!
    Thanks Comrade! Parts are here in hand...

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    Soft snow.
    I second that. Having ridden them for two full winter seasons (~8 months of almost daily riding), I can recommend them for soft and also hard packed snow, but I can't comment on durability on dry trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Sukhov View Post
    SOME of aluminum Trek Farley could also fit (if lucky!).
    Carbon Farley does NOT fit...
    Comrade, that is a 2016 Farley 5 if I am not mistaken - am I right to assume that a 2016 Farley 9 (aluminium) in 17.5" will fit those 105mm rims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Topo View Post
    Comrade, that is a 2016 Farley 5 if I am not mistaken - am I right to assume that a 2016 Farley 9 (aluminium) in 17.5" will fit those 105mm rims?
    Assume nothing. I tested a well stretched Vee XXL/100mm rim combo on a medium and large 2019 Farley that came in the same shipment. It fit on the medium...but not the large. This is with the strangle hold drop outs all the way back.

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    So it is just.... random, depending on which guy welded the frame in their factory?
    Was the large frame just narrower or did it also have slightly shorter chainstays?

    If I am not mistaken the frame design hasn't officially changed since the redesign in 2015, right?
    Can you easily measure the differences between those frames? I am currently looking around for a used Farley alloy (frame) and would like to know what to ask the seller, so I don't have to drive a few hours to find out the frame is one of the narrow ones. :-/
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    Looking for fairly priced 17.5" Farley EX 8/9.8 in Germany or neighbouring countries. Frame only or whole bike, TIA!

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    If by "guy welding", you mean "Machine welding somewhere in Vietnam or China"....
    It's random.....hits on the chainstay bridge...which would be tough to measure.
    Sift through the XXL thread....and you'll see some people got them to fit...others couldn't.
    I tried 2 new aluminum frames.
    I know Mikesee tried a alum and carbon....no dice for him either.
    I wanted one frame that could fit all size tires....but the Farley doesn't seem to be it.
    I ended up with a RSD that was at blow out price when I need to rum 5.05s

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Topo View Post
    So it is just.... random, depending on which guy welded the frame in their factory?
    Yes, indeed.
    Depends from the bending aluminum tubes and furter assembly/welding.
    That is quite visible/noticable, when you compare two or three frames at once, side-to-side...

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    Thanks for the report.

    So, there are two frames with a low Q-factor (200-ish mm) that will be able to fit a 2XL on a 105mm rim with certainty, the RSD Mayor and the Surly ICT as well as some random aluminium Farleys that are pretty much only identifiable by installing the rim and tire into the frame - are there any others or is that it?

    TIA!
    Looking for fairly priced 17.5" Farley EX 8/9.8 in Germany or neighbouring countries. Frame only or whole bike, TIA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Topo View Post
    So, there are two frames with a low Q-factor (200-ish mm) that will be able to fit a 2XL on a 105mm rim with certainty, the RSD Mayor and the Surly ICT... are there any others or is that it?
    I am still wondering if there are more frames for 105mm rims with low Q-factor.

    TIA!
    Looking for fairly priced 17.5" Farley EX 8/9.8 in Germany or neighbouring countries. Frame only or whole bike, TIA!

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    I already told - the best variant (potentially) is aluminium TREK Farley...
    But you need to be lucky to get the right one!

    P.S. By the way - the new ICT is much more tire-capable, than the old/previous one.
    And I hope, that it still could be used with the SRAM DUB FAT5 crankset (with Q-factor of just 206 mm)... I would check this in a couple of weeks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Sukhov View Post
    I already told - the best variant (potentially) is aluminium TREK Farley...
    But you need to be lucky to get the right one!
    How am I supposed to find such a frame, comrade?
    There are no shops nearby that even carry this bike without having to order it and I don't know if the shop staff would be too happy doing so to find one of those unicorn frames.
    I could order half a dozen (or more?) of Farley 5/7 bikes to see if I can fit a 2XL on a 105mm rim and send them back if they don't fit but that is not a great option either due to cost and the tremendous amount of work involved.

    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Sukhov View Post
    By the way - the new ICT is much more tire-capable, than the old/previous one.
    And I hope, that it still could be used with the SRAM DUB FAT5 crankset (with Q-factor of just 206 mm)... I would check this in a couple of weeks.
    I assumed you were talking about the new ICT frames, please let us know if the new ones fit the 206mm DUB cranks.
    Looking for fairly priced 17.5" Farley EX 8/9.8 in Germany or neighbouring countries. Frame only or whole bike, TIA!

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    It would obviously NOT FIT without some additional magic...
    However, I really hope - that it would be still POSSIBLE to do that.

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    I just checked your photos again and they are indeed showing the old ICT, I should have realised that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Sukhov View Post
    It would obviously NOT FIT without some additional magic...
    I wish there was some magic to make any aluminium Farley fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    Wish they did the single wall in 27.5x80-90mm

    Under 600g would be slick

    They make a 27.5 x 95mm now. Laced 6 of 'em up last week.

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    Yes, 27,5"x95 mm NEXTIE rims are available for few months already, and 27,5"x75 mm are ongoing a bit later...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    They make a 27.5 x 95mm now. Laced 6 of 'em up last week.
    600g and rated for 285 lbs.
    Whiskeys are 690g and rated for 300 lbs.
    Heds are 465g stupid expensive and rated for???

    Not bad.

    You have any pics of the rim laced up?


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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    Not bad.

    You have any pics of the rim laced up?

    What do you want to see?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    What do you want to see?
    Just what they look like with a tire and hub, if not no big deal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    Just what they look like with a tire and hub, if not no big deal.

    Sure.
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    Mikesee, You have any of these 105's in stock?

    These would be a huge weight savings vs the clown shoes I am running now with the 2xl's
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mk3Rider View Post
    Mikesee, You have any of these 105's in stock?

    These would be a huge weight savings vs the clown shoes I am running now with the 2xl's

    Send me an email: mike dot curiak at gmail

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Sure.
    Thanks!

    Look great, im not into the super deep enve fat look so those are

    Really wild those 4.5 tires look like 3.8 tires on 80mm rims.


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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    Thanks!

    Look great, im not into the super deep enve fat look so those are

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    Get fAt, Stay fAt, Ride fAt
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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    At a grand for a rim, Enve is guilty of rape...

    They would be if they were holding a gun to people's heads.

    I personally don't see the value, but some people will ride nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    At a grand for a rim, Enve is guilty of rape...
    Thats for sure but i mean the style. Nextie makes a similar style and im not a fan.


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    Rape needs to stop being compared to things that aren't even remotely similar to rape. I don't need an apology or anything because I've never been sexually assaulted... Just please get it out of your bank of jokes, with considerable haste.
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    This thread just got raped....

    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Diller View Post
    Rape needs to stop being compared to things that aren't even remotely similar to rape. I don't need an apology or anything because I've never been sexually assaulted... Just please get it out of your bank of jokes, with considerable haste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mk3Rider View Post
    Are we talking urban Morc or suburban Morc? There is a huge difference in culture between the two.
    I'm aware. I believe we've ridden bikes Jonathan together in our respective riding cliques, you struck me as a cordial friendly guy. Perhaps I'm not going to change your mind over the internet that rape jokes are un-funny, so I'll let this thread go back to being about voluntary consideration of buying high end bike rims.
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    For anyone interested, BTLOS has a black friday sale with their 105mm rims currently 30% off with free shipping.
    Looking for fairly priced 17.5" Farley EX 8/9.8 in Germany or neighbouring countries. Frame only or whole bike, TIA!

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    I just ordered a set right before the sale. I am so mad right now I could spit.

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    Well.... Looks like I better figure out some hubs for these rims... Thinking an Onyx for the rear hub.

    3k glossy ordered up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mk3Rider View Post
    Well.... Looks like I better figure out some hubs for these rims... Thinking an Onyx for the rear hub.

    3k glossy ordered up.

    I have glossy on my wife's 26 x 105's and on my 27.5 x 95's.

    Figured the slippery finish might collect less snow than matte.

    Honestly can't always tell a difference between those and my matte kuroshiro's.

    Deep section ENVE's were the only ones that demonstrably held less snow. And they're also glossy...

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    Mikesee, Is there any special considerations when lacing these rims up? Planning on using DT Pro Head Pro Lock brass nipples and DT 2.0 - 1.8 - 2.0 spokes w/ DT 350 CL hubs.

    Not sure if there is a wheel builder section on this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mk3Rider View Post
    Mikesee, Is there any special considerations when lacing these rims up? Planning on using DT Pro Head Pro Lock brass nipples and DT 2.0 - 1.8 - 2.0 spokes w/ DT 350 CL hubs.

    Not sure if there is a wheel builder section on this forum.

    Since the nips are sticking into the air cavity of the rim, and since, at least in theory, you might at some point need to stick a tube in to finish a ride, you might consider going with a nip that has a lower profile. Just my $.02.

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