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    Nate 3.8

    Just picked up my Nate!

    I bought the 27tpi model. It measures out to 98mm (outer knob to outer knob) on my Large Marge with 15 psi. The shop had a Big Fat Larry which weighted about 300 grams LESS than my Nate! My Nate was 17xx grams and the BFL was 14xx grams.

    Pics soon...

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    Deep Fried Meat Fueled Natepocalypse

    Here are some pics...

    The tire says the tpi on the sidewall which is kinda nice for those that'll spring for the more expensive version. I didn't see any directional arrows, but I'm assuming the chevrons pointing forward was the way to go on the front.

    This is also written in two spots, just above the bead... "Deep Fried Meat Fueled Natepocalypse"










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    so jealous!

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    So, how many millimeters per side are available before interference occurs? Looks to have more confidence-inspiring tread for more technical terrain at speed. Go ride it fast down some corners through the loose stuff and then give us your review.
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    Man those look mean.

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    They look great...as Leo said how do they handle?
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    Have the pictures disappeared for everyone or is it just me?

    Edited to add - ignore my post, I've reset my router and all's well now!
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    Looks good!

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    Sorry folks you'll probably have to wait for someone else for a trail review (or at least until the snow flies). The Nate is destined to be a snow tire for the front of my pudgy 1x1, and I already put the Endo back on. The 1x1 only sees sand and mud on flat, wide trails during the non-winter months... places where I'd rather use the Endo.

    Figured the Nates would go fast once available, and the 2nd run of tires might not be in before winter so I jumped on one ASAP.

    I just put the Nate on for the ride home from the LBS to see how it rolled... it was smoother than expected on the pavement. But that's about the only review I have at this point. I might put Nate on my singletrack bike (fat front Fargo) just to see how it rides, but I'm pretty happy as it is with the Larry. If I make the switch, I'll post up my thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTMN View Post

    Figured the Nates would go fast once available, and the 2nd run of tires might not be in before winter so I jumped on one ASAP.
    For this very reason, I went ahead and placed an order thru my LBS this morning. That and how dang awesome they look in your pictures!

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    I ordered a pair from aebike, will review asap.

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    These look like such great tires but 1700+ grams, seriously, thats as much as my frame weighs.

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    Couldn't resist...

    While getting ready for a ride on some local singletrack today, I couldn't resist switching Larry with Nate. Seeing that mean lookin' fatty all new and clean just wasn't right.

    I didn't notice any increase in rolling resistance or the extra weight compared to Larry, but I'm not that sensitive to those things (or do I really care that much). I'm also a fan of large knobby tires, especially in front.

    What I did notice is the grip... not a single slip in the (very dry) loose-over-hardpack conditions. If you are currently running a Larry up front and have had issues with your front end washing out, I'm guessing you'll appreciate Nate's extra grip.

    I thought a Larry up front inspired confidence in my riding, but Nate brings it to a whole new level. Seriously.

    Here are a couple pics of Nate in his natural habitat:




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    Thanks FTMN

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTMN View Post
    The shop had a Big Fat Larry which weighted about 300 grams LESS than my Nate! My Nate was 17xx grams and the BFL was 14xx grams..
    I have two regular Larry 27tpi tires and they weigh 1530g and 1535g.
    BFL is 100g less? Hmm. Odd.

    Thanks for the pics, btw. That Nate looks like the business; Larry understeer is getting old

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    My 27tpi Endo and Larry both weigh 142x gms, the two 120tpi Larrys I bought weigh 146xgms each.

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    thanks for more pics!
    you can get a marge lite to lower your front weight a bit

    I think a couple of nates will found their way home eventually

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    Hey FTMN, you're in my neighborhood, what trail is that?

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    That may make a good rear tire with a BFL up front. At least that's what I am thinking of doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bighit View Post
    That may make a good rear tire with a BFL up front. At least that's what I am thinking of doing.
    I'm just thinking of winter and summer setups. The Husker Du is looking pretty good. Maybe have that as a rear tire and a Nate up front for summer time.

    Winter... BFL up front and Nate in the rear. Hundies on both ends.

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    Awesomeness on the trail report. Looks as though I will have to buy one to try out. I’ve had many “Oops, I fooked up” incidents losing front traction through corners with the Larry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    Awesomeness on the trail report. Looks as though I will have to buy one to try out. I’ve had many “Oops, I fooked up” incidents losing front traction through corners with the Larry.

    We all have, as much of an improvement over the endo up front as the Larry is its not the total package. I thought I was having issue with the Jones loop bar but it was more the lack of hookup with the Larry on loose single track. I went back to my stylo bar and that helped some. I will use the Jloop for those long distance rides that are not so tech and the wrist angle is more comfy.

    The Nate looks like a big step in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Diller View Post
    Hey FTMN, you're in my neighborhood, what trail is that?
    Lebanon Hills... lots of people out today!

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    maddrjeffe I was thinking the same - they look meatier.

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    OK, I pulled the trigger and ordered a Nate 3.8. I cannot wait, it will be great.
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    I think I'll get one of these. Could be good for shallow bog wheeling....

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    Rode my new set today and man they have unbelievable amounts of grip...thinking maybe Nate front and Larry rear?? Not sure yet....

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    I really like the look of that tire. I think I need one.

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    Nate total width

    Does anyone here have both a Nate and a Larry on their bike? I'm wondering how much wider the Nate is (if any) where the side lugs are. A Larry just fits between my bike's chainstays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    OK, I pulled the trigger and ordered a Nate 3.8. I cannot wait, it will be great.
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    Nate front or back? Snow or dirt?

    It seems the Nate is being touted as a front tire for dirt. My biggest challenge with fatbiking in fresh powder, aside from float, is lack of rear wheel traction. I've used endomorphs, Larry's, and Spiders and they all have puny treads that just spin when climbing. Looks to me like the lugs on the Nate would be ideal as a rear fluffy snow tire. Currently I'm running Umma 1's with studded Spider in the back and studded Larry in the front. This is an ideal set-up for packed snow and ice. I'm contemplating purchasing a 2nd wheelset for fresh snow with hundies, BF Larry in front, and Nate in the rear. Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by campykid View Post
    It seems the Nate is being touted as a front tire for dirt. My biggest challenge with fatbiking in fresh powder, aside from float, is lack of rear wheel traction. I've used endomorphs, Larry's, and Spiders and they all have puny treads that just spin when climbing. Looks to me like the lugs on the Nate would be ideal as a rear fluffy snow tire. Currently I'm running Umma 1's with studded Spider in the back and studded Larry in the front. This is an ideal set-up for packed snow and ice. I'm contemplating purchasing a 2nd wheelset for fresh snow with hundies, BF Larry in front, and Nate in the rear. Any thoughts?
    Sounds like my plan B if I don't want a BFL/hundie in the rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ridgerunner57 View Post
    Does anyone here have both a Nate and a Larry on their bike? I'm wondering how much wider the Nate is (if any) where the side lugs are. A Larry just fits between my bike's chainstays.

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    Maybe 4-5mm difference between the two--all in the edge knobs, not in the casing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Maybe 4-5mm difference between the two--all in the edge knobs, not in the casing.
    Thanks very much mikesee, exactly what I was looking for. So probably 2 to 2.5mm per side, I'm thinking that's not gonna work. I have a Vicious Thunderwing, which I believe was really designed more for a tire such as the Gazzolodi 3.0, though it does fit the Marge/Endo/Larry OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
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    I ordered my Nate via QBP
    Backordered, will they be?
    I guess I will wait and see
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    I just noticed that the title says Nate 3.8, but mine are listed as 4.0. Anyways, I just installed them on my Pugs. I can take better pics in outdoor daylight tomorrow if wanted.


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    I love the look of the tires plus how they ride....looks like a motocross tire :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jreinan01 View Post
    ...looks like a motocross tire :-)
    That was my first thought when I first saw them in the flesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTMN View Post
    While getting ready for a ride on some local singletrack today, I couldn't resist switching Larry with Nate. Seeing that mean lookin' fatty all new and clean just wasn't right.

    I didn't notice any increase in rolling resistance or the extra weight compared to Larry, but I'm not that sensitive to those things (or do I really care that much). I'm also a fan of large knobby tires, especially in front.

    What I did notice is the grip... not a single slip in the (very dry) loose-over-hardpack conditions. If you are currently running a Larry up front and have had issues with your front end washing out, I'm guessing you'll appreciate Nate's extra grip.

    I thought a Larry up front inspired confidence in my riding, but Nate brings it to a whole new level. Seriously.

    Here are a couple pics of Nate in his natural habitat:



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    Curiously, Benwitt made a comment in his blog about Nate not being a winter tire of choice, yet I find myself in the same boat as Campykid. Rear tire traction, at least in the snow conditions we have in the Northeast, sucks with the current crop.

    Perhaps really dry snow, or flatter trails don't require the same bite, but the first thing I thought when I saw Nate was how awesome it would be in the snow, especially once things turn uphill.

    Much the same reaction I had when they came out with Larry, only that was thinking about steering precision.

    The Spiders have been much better than the Endos around here, rear wise, but I'm thinking that Nate will kick butt into next week in the snow, makes me want winter to hurry up for sure!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Curiously, Benwitt made a comment in his blog about Nate not being a winter tire of choice, yet I find myself in the same boat as Campykid. Rear tire traction, at least in the snow conditions we have in the Northeast, sucks with the current crop.

    Perhaps really dry snow, or flatter trails don't require the same bite, but the first thing I thought when I saw Nate was how awesome it would be in the snow, especially once things turn uphill.

    Much the same reaction I had when they came out with Larry, only that was thinking about steering precision.

    The Spiders have been much better than the Endos around here, rear wise, but I'm thinking that Nate will kick butt into next week in the snow, makes me want winter to hurry up for sure!
    It is a lot hillier where Ben lives, that's for sure. I can see where "paddles" would help, much like a sand rig's rear tires have giant paddles.

    Here where I am, on the snowmobile trails, it wouldn't be as necessary. I need float, and more than a Larry/Rolling Darryl can give me. I am hoping that the BFL/100mm rim combination will be that "liitle bit more" that will take my snow riding experience to "11".
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    It's been my experience, here in WV snow (which is usually heavier and wetter than northern states), that aggressive tires like the old Gazzaloddis just stay in one place and dig a hole when they start to spin. Something like an Endo, or the old Remolino sand tires, will usually keep you moving forward while they are spinning (up to a point, obviously).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Here where I am, on the snowmobile trails, it wouldn't be as necessary. I need float, and more than a Larry/Rolling Darryl can give me. I am hoping that the BFL/100mm rim combination will be that "liitle bit more" that will take my snow riding experience to "11".
    That's what I was thinking too. I've always just felt so "meh" about my Pugsley. I won't be on hundies this year, but I will be on BFL and Rolling Darryls.

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    A little bit better pic of them installed on a mostly stock Pugs...



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    Nate on Hundies

    Meaty like Dick Cepek tires...
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    I picked up my Nates today, threw one on the front of my bike (Uma 50mm), and rushed out to one of my favorite rocky trails: Gambrill State Park in Frederick, MD.

    OMG. It grips and claws like no other tire I've had before. Way better than Larry, which was better Endo, for my riding style on my trails. Probably overkill for smoother stuff, but this is the fat tire that I've been waiting for. Goads of traction front-back and side-to-side. Stops well too without the slipping I feel on Larry or Endo.

    Weighed the unmounted Nate (120 tpi version), and it was 1510 grams.

    Bottom line: I LUV THIS TIRE.





    Take this with a grain of salt since I only used it on the front. That said, when I get my full fat, I will use Nate on both ends.
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    After that first ride on my fat front with the Nate, I switched back to Larry. After one ride with the Larry, I'm switching back to the Nate again. My intention was to wait until winter to use the Nate, but I've been spoiled.

    Once the snow flies I'm planning to put Nate on the front of my pudgy snow bike (won't fit in the back otherwise I'd put one there too).

    I think whether this will make a good snow tire or not will depend on the trails you ride. I don't think you can make a blanket statement that it'll be a bad (or good) snow tire. I think it'll be great on MPLS area singletrack. If your trails get relatively well-packed by a lot of use, I think Nate will be awesome (and an improvement over Larry).
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    damnitman - that close up of the Nate on the front: (George Takei voice) Oh MY.

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    Has anyone thought about taking a razor or other instrument of destruction to some of the knobs on a Nate? It seems traction is huge so taking away a little knobbage may not hurt performance but save some serious grams. The wide knobs down the middle could probably be made narrower and the second row in from the edge could probably loose every other knob. Don't have one yet but my mind is wandering...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfkbike2 View Post
    Has anyone thought about taking a razor or other instrument of destruction to some of the knobs on a Nate? It seems traction is huge so taking away a little knobbage may not hurt performance but save some serious grams. The wide knobs down the middle could probably be made narrower and the second row in from the edge could probably loose every other knob. Don't have one yet but my mind is wandering...
    I do not see a way to remove enough rubber to make a significant weight difference without seriously changing the grip level, especially for cornering/off camber.
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    Just ordered 2 for the Pugs. Should come in tomorrow!
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    belt sander...mount your tire on a skinny rim, air it up, secure the rim in a fork (rubber side-up) and go to town...
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    I do not see a way to remove enough rubber to make a significant weight difference without seriously changing the grip level, especially for cornering/off camber.
    Just recieved mine after I wrote my comments and it was only 1520 grams so not as heavy as I thought. Heck it is only 40 gr. heavier than the Larry's (1480g) I have. So I think I am going to run a BFL on front (only 1420g) and the Nate on rear which should stop the occasional tire spin I have in the rear when riding in wet/muddy swamp like areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by damnitman View Post
    belt sander...mount your tire on a skinny rim, air it up, secure the rim in a fork (rubber side-up) and go to town...
    Did that back in the day to get Diesel Pros on Snowcats into the backend of a Truth. It sure makes a lot of black static sticky dust.

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    Danmitman: I LOVE those orange rims. Who makes them?
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    Had the Pugs out on the streets today with the Nate's and they have a rather satisfying "hum" to them when you get up to speed. Sounded like a big ole' 4-Wheel Drive Truck with big ole' Mickey Thomson's coming down the road...

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    after a solid weekend of riding the Nate verdict is: HOLY SIHT. I've NEVER ridden a tire with as much grab and capability as this. Mind bending stuff, really. I ran half fat with an Ardent rear.Seems a good combination. Nate is on a rolling daryl. Pressure is about 10. Terrain was sandy/hardpack with scattered limestone rocks and low land muck. IMO, this is THE tire to have in marginal seasons where you run into mud. That's where this tire is going to shine. I think it'll be a terrible snow tire. The aggressive knobs will break the snow surface too easily, turning up the snow and adding to an already slippery situation.
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    Let me embellish this review with a picture. Everyone likes pictures, right?
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    I still feel that snow conditions are WAY too variable to say, "Nate will be a bad snow tire." I think it'll do well on higher traffic trails that get fairly packed.

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    Finally got my first ride on my Nate up front last Saturday, a small amount of percivable squirm on hard pack but not bad. The nobbs are so beefy they almost seem like cleats.

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    I did a ride Saturday with Nates front and rear. Woods ride with lots of steep climbs, loose leaves, wet logs, ect. I don't think I could have spun out of I had tried. Definitely sort of overkill for anything but really wet, boggy riding, but they sure are a lot of fun.

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    Looks ticklish. This is why 100mm bottom brackets work better than 83mm bottom brackets. I'm using 47mm wide rims.

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    I can echo the thought that they squirm a bit on hard pack. They also don't feel as supple over roots. I wonder how much that has to do with the fact that I'm riding the 27 tpi version. I kinda want to sell these and try the more spendy variety.

    They are an absolute bear on pavement. Anyone surprised by that? Moving on...

    It tracks really nicely up front. The profile is very round / rotund. Almost ellipsoidal on these narrower rims... to the degree that I'd probably be better off on 70mm rims during summer use with these.

    Grip: lots. I immediately went to three trouble spots on local hills: where I usually spin out, this time I (1) stalled because I couldn't push the gear with my dinglespeed, (2) stalled again, same reason, on a hill that is awkward to walk up, and (3) cleaned it!

    I could feel the additional wheel weight. Not enough for me to care too badly.

    EDIT: I did spin out once. It was a non challenging hill and I was riding with intentional weight too far forward and choppy pedaling. Normally the rear would be all over, but it stuck, until it let loose quiet suddenly and obviously. Just an ounce of good form and it hooked back up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTMN View Post
    I still feel that snow conditions are WAY too variable to say, "Nate will be a bad snow tire." I think it'll do well on higher traffic trails that get fairly packed.
    Yeah, I agree. I'm kind of generalizing there, but I do think that for the most part, this holds true. Packed or wet snow, it'll probably be ok. Otherwise, I just think its a bit too aggressive.
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    I'm not sure I understand why having big knobs would make it a bad snow tire. I've been in a lot of situations where the endomorph spun, and I was wishing for more knobs. Just because it has big knobs doesn't mean it won't float. It has the volume. I'd imagine that it will sink to the casing, while the big knobs dig in hard.

    If it gets packed with snow...well that might be another situation.

    Can someone explain why it would be bad?

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    Snowmachine trails have a crust layer of frozen, consolidated snow that we ride on. Big knobs could make it more likely that you will dig into that crust layer instead of sitting on top of it. Dig in, spin a little, and you're more likely to break through, which sucks. I think Nate will definitely have applications though. Fresh snow, soft snow. We'll have to see when the stuff shows up.

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    They look superb, get a review up!

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    all about the options, and the nate is just one of them...really cool to see different tire setups showing up...for our terrain here in PA this would be awesome in the winter.

    Small amounts of snow, large amounts of slop...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogdude222 View Post
    I'm not sure I understand why having big knobs would make it a bad snow tire. I've been in a lot of situations where the endomorph spun, and I was wishing for more knobs. Just because it has big knobs doesn't mean it won't float. It has the volume. I'd imagine that it will sink to the casing, while the big knobs dig in hard.

    If it gets packed with snow...well that might be another situation.

    Can someone explain why it would be bad?
    Are you saying that if Nates get packed with snow, that that is bad...or good?

    Many years ago, I recall reading in a trucking mag about snow driving, the article
    stated that when drivers noticed that their drive tires were getting snow packed, that
    that was good, The idea being that snow pushing against snow would provide the
    greatest amount of grip.

    Can you guys in the far north or elsewhere confirm this?

    The open tread of the Nates do not look to be conductive to becoming snow packed.

    Also snow conditions very so much from time to time and place to place that it is difficult
    to pick a tread design without knowing what best to prepare for.

    Personaly, I would favor moderate tread spacing with lots of sipes, and a compound
    for cold temps, like car/truck tires. Don't exist as far as I know for bikes. We are left to
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sand Rat View Post
    Are you saying that if Nates get packed with snow, that that is bad...or good?
    I guess I assumed that them getting packed with snow would be bad because of increased buildup, weight, rubbing...all the reasons that mud can bring you to a grinding halt.

    I guess we'll just have see with the Nates. Personally, I'm banking on them being a better all around option for dirt, mud, or snow. They still have the volume, but they'll have way, way more traction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogdude222 View Post
    I'm not sure I understand why having big knobs would make it a bad snow tire. I've been in a lot of situations where the endomorph spun, and I was wishing for more knobs. Just because it has big knobs doesn't mean it won't float. It has the volume. I'd imagine that it will sink to the casing, while the big knobs dig in hard.

    If it gets packed with snow...well that might be another situation.

    Can someone explain why it would be bad?
    Packed snow can be a funny surface. Good support and grip as long as it holds together. Too big knobs can break through the surface and break the frozen bonds holding it all together allowing the tire to at best spin out and at worst drop in. Not clear to me if that will happen with Nate but the potential is there.
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    I have them also... grip is awesome!


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    Nate on rear which should stop the occasional tire spin I have in the rear when riding in wet/muddy swamp like areas.[/QUOTE]

    Have you tried it yet? Is it better than the Larrys for your area?

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    anyone in the UK got any NATES in stock to order ?

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    cool will do

    been rinding through boggy areas in the new forest this week, and the endo is spinning up a lot, got a larry on the front, but loving the look of the nates !!


    seems they are around stateside and yet again we are playing catch up here in the UK !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLA Grizzly View Post
    Nate on rear which should stop the occasional tire spin I have in the rear when riding in wet/muddy swamp like areas.
    Have you tried it yet? Is it better than the Larrys for your area?[/QUOTE]

    Not yet, have been on the road since Nate arrived. Will be another week or so before I can try it out.

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    The new tyres etc won't be shown as available until the end of the month.

    I managed to get my lbs to ring ID and put in a back order though. (To encourage them to order the things from USA in the first place).
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    Just got conformation that my Nate / BFL are now on their way from States (Fatbikes.com) should be in UK in around 10 days
    Can't wait because as good as the Larry is, it is pants for traction in gloopy mud. Good fun, but not much use for forward momentum
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    Quote Originally Posted by motorman View Post
    Just got conformation that my Nate / BFL are now on their way from States (Fatbikes.com) should be in UK in around 10 days
    Can't wait because as good as the Larry is, it is pants for traction in gloopy mud. Good fun, but not much use for forward momentum
    As I've been riding Nate around (front and rear), I keep thinking to myself, "The UK bog-riding guys are going to love these". Traction is outstanding, and they don't pack up.

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    Incremental review: I put some more miles on my 27 tpi Nate tires - I will have to confirm against a 120 tpi Nate, but they do give an unforgiving impression. I'm not using them for their intended purpose, really, so take it with a grain of salt.

    I think my summer mode next year will consist of a Nate in the front for its sheer excess in turning grip and round profile, and something faster / lighter in the back.

    I'm going to explore some muck this weekend and will get back about that .

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    Ison have a batch hitting the uk end of sept - I've just ordered the last one ! Then next lot in dec !!!

    I think a lot of people under estimate the interest in fat parts !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Diller View Post
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    I can echo the thought that they squirm a bit on hard pack. They also don't feel as supple over roots. I wonder how much that has to do with the fact that I'm riding the 27 tpi version. I kinda want to sell these and try the more spendy variety.

    They are an absolute bear on pavement. Anyone surprised by that? Moving on...

    It tracks really nicely up front. The profile is very round / rotund. Almost ellipsoidal on these narrower rims... to the degree that I'd probably be better off on 70mm rims during summer use with these.

    Grip: lots. I immediately went to three trouble spots on local hills: where I usually spin out, this time I (1) stalled because I couldn't push the gear with my dinglespeed, (2) stalled again, same reason, on a hill that is awkward to walk up, and (3) cleaned it!

    I could feel the additional wheel weight. Not enough for me to care too badly.

    EDIT: I did spin out once. It was a non challenging hill and I was riding with intentional weight too far forward and choppy pedaling. Normally the rear would be all over, but it stuck, until it let loose quiet suddenly and obviously. Just an ounce of good form and it hooked back up.
    Not to try to get off topic, but Drew, what kind of drivetrain setup do you have gong on in that last pic? The chain looks like it is made entirely out of half links!!

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    New question here.

    Got my second Nate last Tuesday and just got it mounted up on the rear today. After wiggling it on the rim, a LM, I noticed I had it backwards. Gonna try it that way as it looks like it will bone up the traction. Maybe get a ride Sunday morning after work.

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    How many different versions of the Nate tire are there? I know there are 27 tpi and 120 tpi, but these are both steel beads I think? Is there going to be a kevlar bead as well?

    I ride in the winter with lots of singletrack, roots, and wet snow, and am hoping to try some of these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetness View Post
    How many different versions of the Nate tire are there? I know there are 27 tpi and 120 tpi, but these are both steel beads I think? Is there going to be a kevlar bead as well?
    There are 3 different Nates... 27tpi steel bead, 120tpi steel bead, and the 120tpi folding bead.

    The 120tpi folding Nate is supposed to be arriving next week.

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    Charliethebikemonger is out of stock

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    Has anyone heard when the Kevlar Nate tire may be released? Just trying to decide whether or not I should wait, or buy the wire bead.

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    QBP says 09/27/11 so not much longer.

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    Nate is now running tubeless at 8psi. Hit the dirt today; much awesomeness. The extra weight is well worth the extra traction. Looking forward to the mud this winter!

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    Love these things! Can't wait for some snow so I can see how they work in the different snow conditions. Been wanting fat tires with more tread on them ever since the Gazos went away.

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    will they fit on older 907 frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bnelson View Post
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    Yes, they will.

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    I see that mine arrived in UK today using mail tracker & have cleared customs!
    First UK bike to be wearing Nate & BFL by end of week hopefully!
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    I see that mine arrived in UK today using mail tracker & have cleared customs!
    First UK bike to be wearing Nate & BFL by end of week hopefully!
    ...and the first UK report on what theyre like i hope?
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    Of course ...as long as postman pat delivers them!
    I must be the only mountain bike who actually wants rain this weekend, the sloppy bog route is already planned for testing
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    I rode more than a mile straight on pavement today. I found myself taking a detour to ride on roads that I know have dirt shoulders.

    On the other hand, I went full lean into a berm the other day, and took the entry way too tight after coming off a rise, and I missed the berm angle entirely. It hooked up enough for a brief moment until I was in the corner properly. I deserved to be on my face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorman View Post
    ...I must be the only mountain bike who actually wants rain this weekend, the sloppy bog route is already planned for testing
    Me too!

    I was out running in the hills today and thinking it's not boggy enough yet. Just a 1" overlay of mud on some of the tracks.

    Roll on winter....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post

    Roll on winter....
    Haha....yeah, it better come... I have just put the winter wheels on her car, my van has a new set of mud/snow tyres, HT has a set of specialized storm controls & fatty has BFL & Nate's. No matter how bad the weather, I'm going to be rolling
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    Is surly stocking these yet

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    They grip like a bad girlfriend! Sidehilling is AMAZING! Logs and roots are so much better to ride over now! Mud it throws huge globs! Also climbs some steep stuff! Hands down the most traction I have ever had on a bicycle! Mine are mounted on a set of 80's front and rear of a xl 05 pugs.
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    After trying out the Nate on the back yesterday I was thinking I will eventually like to mount one on the front too, even though so far I have not had an issue with the front washing out. Actually in the dry the Nate rear Larry front seems balanced just right where before my rear with Larry was sliding out in corners.

    But to the point...I tried the Nate out on the front and it will not fit in my DUC32 fork. The side knobs start to hit the leg at about 3 inches of compression. And that is with running a 46mm rim.

    I guess you could cut off the last row of knobs. Those knobs would only come into play when the tire is climbing up something that is hitting the side of the tire at an angle. Not sure how often that actually comes into play. I guess climbing out of a rut while riding in it would be one case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    I do not see a way to remove enough rubber to make a significant weight difference without seriously changing the grip level, especially for cornering/off camber.
    This makes sense, though I wonder if rolling resistance could be improved without losing to much grip?

    I'll let someone else try that out though

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    Guh. QBP just moved the folding bead BFL and Nate to January! WTF!

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    I got an email directly from Surly stating that the Kevlar Nate's would be available in 1-2 weeks. That was a week ago, so hopefully nothing has changed.

    I'm going to try running these tubeless on my mostly stock Pugsly. Does anyone know if the rim strips which come with the stock Pugsly are airtight? I'm going to try some double-sided tape underneath and an extra scoop of Stan's since the tire is so large. Anyone else tried this?

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    First ride with the Nate on the rear today, grip was awesome in the slimy mud, and on the rocks, leaps and bounds above any previous fat bike tires.



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    I think it is awesome that this tire, clearly intended for open-minded women to ride on pavement, happens to be so great off-road too. So far, the confidence it inspired on hardpacked sidehills with wet pine needles was most impressive.

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    I want the Kevlar bead Nate also. Just spoke with Bill at Fat bikes he replied in an email.

    Sorry, but I just checked the distributor's website, and the folding Nate is not available till January 27.

    Anyone here hear other wise ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark59 View Post
    I want the Kevlar bead Nate also. Just spoke with Bill at Fat bikes he replied in an email.

    Sorry, but I just checked the distributor's website, and the folding Nate is not available till January 27.

    Anyone here hear other wise ?
    GuitarTed said that they did get some in at the 5th. The shop got the email saying they were in stock but then they were gone in 19 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmucker View Post
    GuitarTed said that they did get some in at the 5th. The shop got the email saying they were in stock but then they were gone in 19 minutes.
    Surly Tweeted today that folders were going into stock late today. Maybe first thing in the AM you might get something, if they aren't already gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Surly Tweeted today that folders were going into stock late today. Maybe first thing in the AM you might get something, if they aren't already gone.

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    Just checked. They're in stock on QBP.

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    I stand corrected ! Here is the last email from BIll today from Fat bikes .

    Just a quick note to let you know the folding Nate just became available! I'm not sure why the website was showing a later delivery date, but I ordered 10 tires. They will arrive next Tuesday. I'll get them up on the website soon.

    I am excited I thought I was going to have to wait till January !

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    This is an email I received from Surly . I thought I would share it for those of you like me who are not packing a Nate around but just thought it would be better to have the Kevlar Nate because it is 40 grams lighter then the Nate 120 tpi.

    Honestly, I’d probably go with the 120 tpi (a better quality tire with more suppleness to the casing) and just get it in a steel bead. There’s not a huge benefit to the Kevlar other than it’s foldability. Both the steel and Kevlar should come off the rim when you want it to and stay on when it should. Worst case scenario when removing the tire is it’s a little tight. In that case you push the bead of the tire in toward the center of the rim where the diameter is less. Then one section will come off much easier.

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    After enough miles to get a good feel for this tire: 27 tpi is mildly disappointing, it does have the "dead" feeling.

    I've gotten some muck time in recently. These tires really work well for their intent. You can ride through some stuff that would otherwise steal your shoes.

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    Final got a Nate yesterday and tried it out on the front of my Jones.

    I think this tire is going to be fantastic in the UK mud.


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    Where did you get the (3) Nates from SSS ?
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    I have no idea where they came from.
    The owner of the IF imported them and we split the shipping costs.

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    I have a box of Nate 120 tpi, Larry 120tpi and BFL 120 tpi's arriving this week.
    Drop me a line for UK fatness!

    I rode my favourite trail today on the Maverick and spent a LOT of time wishing I was on the Pugsley.

    Why didn't I realise these things are so awesome earlier?

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    Thanks Tim !

    PM sent for 1 Nate and 1 BFL please
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    Oh by the way Tim..... if you want Fat AND Maverick, check this out !

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    Can't post the address though apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLA Grizzly View Post
    Nate on rear which should stop the occasional tire spin I have in the rear when riding in wet/muddy swamp like areas.
    Have you tried it yet? Is it better than the Larrys for your area?[/QUOTE]

    Grizz... I have now put a few rides on the tire. I am using the BFL up front and the Nate on the rear. As you probably know we get a lot of wet areas in the summer. The areas where I would get a lot of slipping with Endo's was on trails that were flooded grass or a slimy mud bottom. The Nate is awesome in those conditions. I skipped over Larry's on the rear so I really need to try them and compare. The Nate is slower on the shell trails so I may not use it during winter (dry) months. I also have not had a chance to go to some of the more technical trails like Santo's or Alafia to see how it performs there but I would suspect it will be great but may be overkill.

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    jfkbike2, I rode the bike for the fist time yesterday went to Quiet Waters (rocky, sandy) for an 1 hr give or take a few mins to get a feel for it. Love the thing

    Both Larrys ( rear on backwards) were at 15psi, it was fast, but I'm sure not where they need to be, I dont have a gauge yet, and I didn't have the time yesterday to fully play with their pressure. Trail and error I guess. But overall great I was climbing like I never have before, considering I have no previous experienced with any other fat tire.

    Maybe we need a meet and greet for all Florida Fats at Santos. They kids in the UK did it, and Ward is putting one together in the Norwest

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLA Grizzly View Post
    Both Larrys ( rear on backwards) were at 15psi, it was fast, but I'm sure not where they need to be, I dont have a gauge yet, and I didn't have the time yesterday to fully play with their pressure. Trail and error I guess. But overall great I was climbing like I never have before, considering I have no previous experienced with any other fat tire.

    Maybe we need a meet and greet for all Florida Fats at Santos. They kids in the UK did it, and Ward is putting one together in the Norwest
    I usually have found that maybe 12psi front and 14 psi rear works well for me and I am big. But if you ride more aggressive and do drops etc... you may need a different setting. One thing is for sure is that just a few psi make a big difference. A fat fest would be fun sometime.

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    What do use for a gauge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLA Grizzly View Post
    What do use for a gauge?
    I have one built into the inflator and also I use a digital Topeak. Topeak® Cycling Accessories

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfkbike2 View Post
    I have one built into the inflator and also I use a digital Topeak. Topeak® Cycling Accessories
    Thank you, I will try your setting for sure, Im a buck ninety five.

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    After the fail at trying to go split tubeless on my nate that is covered in another thread when I aired the tire down to add some Stans to the tube airing back up was problematic. The tire is so loose on the rim that it blew off 3 times before I could get it to stay on. The bead diameter is too big on this tire. My Larrys are not an issue and are much tighter so it's not the rim, even though some rims are probably bigger. I contacted Surly to see if they would stand behind their product and send me a better tire and am waiting.

    As we all know from weighing Surly tires (if you weigh tires) there is a fair amount of variance from tire to tire so I guess the production process isn't an exact science over in China. No big deal if Surly does the right thing.

    I road on the tire yesterday and it stayed on but it's really a liability that could cause serious injury if the tire blew off in the middle of a high speed descent, especially if there was a drop off on one side of the trail. It's questionable on the rear, on the front it would mean over the bars for sure. Fortunately this is on the rear.

    I hope they don't puss out and say I have to go through the shop where I bought the tire because that is up in AK, and I'm not in AK. Not even close.
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    All the Nates I had ordered have gone out and should be getting to you guys today - let's see some pictures of them fitted and in action.

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    Glad to hear it arrived. That 9zero7 of yours looks mint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by modifier View Post
    The tire is so loose on the rim that it blew off 3 times before I could get it to stay on. The bead diameter is too big on this tire.
    One of my kevlar Floyd's blew off the first time I mounted it. I thought it was a fluke. I think the beads are a little too big.

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    Got my Nate and BFL today Tim .

    They are MAHOOOOOOOOOSIVE !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Feelygood ! View Post
    Got my Nate and BFL today Tim .

    They are MAHOOOOOOOOOSIVE !
    Cool. Can you fit either one on your Maverick? Neither will fit DUC.. Will bfl go on back?
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    Quote Originally Posted by suba View Post
    One of my kevlar Floyd's blew off the first time I mounted it. I thought it was a fluke. I think the beads are a little too big.
    After talking it Eric at Surly yesterday and today I sent my Nate back to him. Begrudgingly. He's going to check out if it is indeed out of tolerance. I guess they have a range of weight and bead diameter high and low and big and small and that nothing is perfect. If it is in spec they need to lessen the range in my opinion.

    I don't have a ton of experience with Surly tires but my 2 Larrys fit the rim without issue and even hold air tubeless with no loss.

    This tire is so loose that I can't believe it stays on the rim. If it blows off during airing up it could blow off while riding, in theory, but so far that has not happened to me and I've ridden it since 2 times in very rough terrain with lots of roots and rocks. A nasty affair at speed in rough terrain, particularly if it's on the front.

    I hope my tire is a fluke and they send back one that is as tight as a ___________. ( Fill in blank with something appropriately inappropriate.
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    fwiw the Nate's I've tried on Large Marge rims have all fit fine. Wire bead though.

    They fit in a SC32 too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Feelygood ! View Post
    Got my Nate and BFL today Tim .

    They are MAHOOOOOOOOOSIVE !
    Please give us a review Dr F on the BFL up front and Nate on the back compared to your standard Fat Larry front and back set up

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    ... and if we just ...

    Ordered mine on wednesday - arrived friday and ridden today! Thanks Tim.

    Very very very grippy - and this is on hard dirt with loose surface covering of dust (still dusty down south ) and layers of fallen nuts/shells. Felt draggy on the road to the trails. Also dragging when climbing - though this may be due to the fact that I'm getting over a cold/manflu. Almost looking forward to MUD.
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    Hi JC,
    they are both destined as rear tyres

    Mounted Nate up on the Fat Klein (47mm Trailtec rim) and it measures out at 94mm max across the (frankly MASSIVE) treads. No chain or seatstay clearance issues.

    This looks like one amazing UK MUD tyre.

    I'm running it in full reverse for max traction.

    I was running an Endo (at 88mm wide), so I expect SIGNIFICANTLY improved traction !!!

    I AM going to have to loose a cog (or 2) on the rear cassette if I want to avoid significant chain line issues.

    WooHoo

    BFL is on the back of my Pug on a LM rim in reverse .......it measures out at an impressive 99.7mm !

    By way of contrast, Larry on the front on a Rolling Darryl comes in at 98mm

    Soooo, best part of 4" front and rear now, happy days
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    Thanks for that.
    Ref chain line issuses.
    Would a Nate be any wider than the "standard" Fat Larry I've got on the back of my Mukluk now?

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    John, I've a Nate left, if you want to come and try it for size, you're welcome.

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    Cheers Tim I wish I knew that 2 weeks ago, but I've got mine on order along with a BFL with Charlie and I don't want to upset him, he's bigger than me.

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    No worries, they'll cost you less too

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    Hello Nate

    N good by Larry up front !
    Nate and I will be going for a ride in the morning !
    Nate will never meet the snow , he will be a dirt lover his whole life
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    Quote Originally Posted by Futon River Crossing View Post
    Ordered mine on wednesday - arrived friday and ridden today! Thanks Tim. Very very very grippy - and this is on hard dirt with loose surface covering of dust (still dusty down south ) and layers of fallen nuts/shells. Felt draggy on the road to the trails. Also dragging when climbing - though this may be due to the fact that I'm getting over a cold/manflu. Almost looking forward to MUD.
    FRC, what tire and rim combo is that on the back of your Jones?

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    Sideways Tim - sent you an e-mail!

    These are the ultimate mud tyre for sure. I'm also running mine in reverse now on the rear.
    Yes, little bit draggy, but very much worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    FRC, what tire and rim combo is that on the back of your Jones?
    Racing Ralf on a Salsa Gordo rim. I run them at 20 to 22 psi. I've been wondering if it's worth it to up the rear rim to a 47mm kris holm.… or not?

    I've also upped the pressure on the Nate to 10psi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futon River Crossing View Post
    Racing Ralf on a Salsa Gordo rim. I run them at 20 to 22 psi. I've been wondering if it's worth it to up the rear rim to a 47mm kris holm.… or not?

    I've also upped the pressure on the Nate to 10psi.
    That's exactly why I asked. The rear looked pretty big. I wasn't sure if you had a 47mm rim. So the biggest tire on the back of that bike is either the 2.4RR or a WTB2.55 on a 47mm rim, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnclimber View Post
    Thanks for that.
    Ref chain line issuses.
    Would a Nate be any wider than the "standard" Fat Larry I've got on the back of my Mukluk now?
    In a word...... yes

    For example, Endo and Larry both come out at 88mm on 47mm rims, or 94mm on LMs.

    Nate (across the treads) came in at 94mm on 47mm rims..........

    I would estimate that on an LM , Nate will hit anywhere from 98mm to 100mm.

    Just looked at the 1st post on here and the OP got 98m on LMs.

    The difference in the sheer MEAT on the Nates's tread compared with what we have been used to is amazing
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    That's exactly why I asked. The rear looked pretty big. I wasn't sure if you had a 47mm rim. So the biggest tire on the back of that bike is either the 2.4RR or a WTB2.55 on a 47mm rim, right?
    Correct - the RR will be bigger than the weirwolfs though.

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    Some pix of Nate's MAHOOOOOSIVE tread
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    That is a top tyre combo
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    Swampy Nate

    Went swamp buggy riding with Nate again this weekend. This tire will give you traction just about anywhere. But I will not go in some of the deeper areas my Sandhill crane buddy goes . Actually we are starting to dry up as we get into fall/winter so Nate may come off soon but even on hard shell packed trails it seems to roll decent. I am running a BFL up front currently. Ended up on this ride with 10 psi in the BFL and 12 in the Nate, both on 70mm rims.
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    I've had Nate since it first came out. Despite the growl on hard pack, my local trails are so sandy, that it more than makes up for it. Heck, its even got enough miles on it now that the little nubs are worn off. Yay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~ View Post
    I've had Nate since it first came out. Despite the growl on hard pack, my local trails are so sandy, that it more than makes up for it. Heck, its even got enough miles on it now that the little nubs are worn off. Yay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowerThenSnot View Post
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    Absurdly tractionable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~ View Post
    I've had Nate since it first came out. Despite the growl on hard pack, my local trails are so sandy, that it more than makes up for it. Heck, its even got enough miles on it now that the little nubs are worn off. Yay!

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    Nate's weight...

    I just got 2 Nates in the mail. Supposedly identical 120 tpi folding versions. One weighed 1,450g; the other weighed 1,530g. I'm a little surprised by the variance...

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    I ordered a pair of Nates today, should see them by the weekend. I figured they'd give the extra grip to be a poor man's Moonlander. Riding from the house I climb 400 feet on old road that maxes out at close to 20%. I could never clean it in the winter with Larry or Endo, we'll see about this year. Used to live in SW Colorado and used Endo up front to pack the snow and a Gazzalodi 3.0 to scratch for traction in the back, these were the days before any tire choices. It worked well but I always wanted more volume for the back. Nate should do it. Now in extreme North Idaho, but low enough to get a lot of wet snow. I'm hoping for long, quiet rides this winter, listening for the wolves chasing me. I'll update on how Nate rolls, but still lusting for a Moonlander.

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    Had the nate on a very technical rocky ride on Sunday, had it spin on 2 ocations climbing rock faces, the rider behing me and myself were very surprised when it happened, only thing we can figure is the large spacing between the knobs and not enough of the tire surface on the rock to make contact.
    Other than that it performed flawlessly on the most technical terrain I ever had the pugs on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtrider6 View Post
    Had the nate on a very technical rocky ride on Sunday, had it spin on 2 ocations climbing rock faces, the rider behing me and myself were very surprised when it happened, only thing we can figure is the large spacing between the knobs and not enough of the tire surface on the rock to make contact.
    Other than that it performed flawlessly on the most technical terrain I ever had the pugs on.
    Loose rock, or solid like granite? Have you considered turning it around, i.e., mounting it 'backwards'? I noticed an improvement in climbing traction after doing so. Not sure it would help in your situation though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cendres View Post
    Loose rock, or solid like granite? Have you considered turning it around, i.e., mounting it 'backwards'? I noticed an improvement in climbing traction after doing so. Not sure it would help in your situation though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark59 View Post
    N good by Larry up front !
    Nate and I will be going for a ride in the morning !
    Nate will never meet the snow , he will be a dirt lover his whole life
    I'm poking around looking for reviews. How do you compare Nate to the Larry you removed on the front of your Jones? (I've got the same fork and a Larry.) When it comes time to get a new front tire, I'm not sure what to do. (50mm rims)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding View Post
    I'm poking around looking for reviews. How do you compare Nate to the Larry you removed on the front of your Jones? (I've got the same fork and a Larry.) When it comes time to get a new front tire, I'm not sure what to do. (50mm rims)
    The first ride on the Nate I was braking much later into turns and still had grip to go even faster
    At times i thought I could touch my shoulder to the ground . Take into consideration the dirt was perfect. I just road in some muddy conditions this last weekend and the feeling of confidence is there with the Nate. The Larry was so much better then the endomorph and I think the Nate is just another leap up in traction, of course the Nate is not as fast on a straight line but I really did not notice it much I am riding with riders that all have skinny tires and I do not seem to be struggling to keep up. To sum it up the Nate tire gives me confidence

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark59 View Post
    The first ride on the Nate I was braking much later into turns and still had grip to go even faster
    At times i thought I could touch my shoulder to the ground . Take into consideration the dirt was perfect. I just road in some muddy conditions this last weekend and the feeling of confidence is there with the Nate. The Larry was so much better then the endomorph and I think the Nate is just another leap up in traction, of course the Nate is not as fast on a straight line but I really did not notice it much I am riding with riders that all have skinny tires and I do not seem to be struggling to keep up. To sum it up the Nate tire gives me confidence
    Great response. Thanks for that! Is Nate the same size as the original Larry? Any weight difference?

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    I'm upgrading my winter riding rubber to Nate on both ends now, hopefully 2nd tyre will be here today.

    I have been measuring up on 80 mm rims, BFL is 100mm wide & Nate is 97mm, so float & grip on both ends seems to be a top combo for wet winter conditions including the wet snow we get in Scotland
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    Quote Originally Posted by motorman View Post
    I'm upgrading my winter riding rubber to Nate on both ends now, hopefully 2nd tyre will be here today.

    I have been measuring up on 80 mm rims, BFL is 100mm wide & Nate is 97mm, so float & grip on both ends seems to be a top combo for wet winter conditions including the wet snow we get in Scotland
    Please let us know how nate handles snow. I'm thinking of running Nate's F+R

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    Will do, I would guess we will be getting some snow within the next month or so, judging by the forecast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motorman View Post
    Will do, I would guess we will be getting some snow within the next month or so, judging by the forecast.
    Tyre just arrived....away to fit it up front...cheer Tim
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    Nate awesome in snow!

    We had a very early snowstorm in Western Mass which knocked out power for days but gave me an opportunity to test my new tire combo: BFL in front and Nate in rear. Ran 5PSI in 4 inches of snow with big climbs. BFL still plows on turns but Nate was awesome in terms of rear wheel traction. Huge improvement over previous tires. Snow's almost gone so this was a teaser. Ready for more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by campykid View Post
    We had a very early snowstorm in Western Mass which knocked out power for days but gave me an opportunity to test my new tire combo: BFL in front and Nate in rear. Ran 5PSI in 4 inches of snow with big climbs. BFL still plows on turns but Nate was awesome in terms of rear wheel traction. Huge improvement over previous tires. Snow's almost gone so this was a teaser. Ready for more!
    Thanks for the snow report! Can't wait to try 2 nates in the snow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sideways Tim View Post
    Yay!
    Sadly I don't have any for myself now


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding View Post
    Great response. Thanks for that! Is Nate the same size as the original Larry? Any weight difference?
    Not sure about size . I sure couldn't tell any difference in size I did not measure it. As far as weight is concerned the Nate is heavier I did not weigh each tire too see what the differnce is the Nate I bought is 120 TPI I put one in each hand and it was clear the Nate is heavier .

    As Jeff Jones says the only things in the biking industry that is measurably is weight and riders and manufactures use it to gage every part.

    I stopped weighing my parts and use a scale of how they work or handle and how durable they are . Of course I try and buy the lightest parts, So many people ask me how much dose your bike weigh ?
    I say I do not know
    What they should say is how dose you bike handle ?
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    I got an email from surly. He admits the tire is out of spec and is sending me a replacement. So I guess I'm not crazy after all : /

    On mounting a nate backwards, I thought about it and it does look like it would have better straight line traction, but I think it will give away cornering traction, so in the end I opted for standard rotation.
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    Are you running both Nates in the snow. Curious, I thought you would have chevrons pointed other way on rear end? Any reasons why, as i just bought one and considering another for my Mukluk?

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    Weight of 4 folding Nates
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    Quote Originally Posted by modifier View Post
    On mounting a nate backwards, I thought about it and it does look like it would have better straight line traction, but I think it will give away cornering traction, so in the end I opted for standard rotation.
    I initially thought this as well. I was also concerned that the Nate in the "backwards" direction would suffer from the "release and buzzsaw" syndrome common to other Nate-like tires like Nevegals or Rampages run in the backwards configuration.

    After running the Nate forward in the rear for 3 weeks and backwards in the rear for 3 weeks, I can say for sure that backwards is far superior. Traction is considerably higher (if that's possible) in all situations (dirt, mud, roots, rock, wet rock, snow). Absolutely no buzzsawing, still a pretty gentle release when traction is lost. Cornering grip is no different that I can notice. Braking performance is somehow improved? I actually have much more difficulty sliding the rear, but I cannot figure out why that is. Rolling resistant is no different.

    Summary: Run Nate backwards in the back. You'll like him even more.

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    my non folding 127tp Nate: 1505gm

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    I might try it backwards when I get the new one. I don't see how it's possible to have it both ways, as in better braking traction and better climbing traction when backwards. What's "buzz sawing"? Noise? Won't fit on the front. Wish it did.
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    Nate 3.8 reversed

    Just out after the colder weather solidified the packing of the trails and my Nate in reverse chevrons on the rear of my Mukluk is climbing like a fiend! I have never heard the term 'buzzsaw and release'? Can you fill me in? Also are you running a Nate on the front of your bike for winter as well. Getting tired of Larry flip flopping uncontrollably in the looser snow trail conditions at higher speeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cynic-al View Post
    my non folding 127tp Nate: 1505gm
    I'm jealous

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    Release and buzzsaw is slang for those of us who live in very wet rooty environs.

    It can be common on tires with prominent center knobs. They can have massive traction when still under static friction. However, they can release suddenly and sometimes catastrophically when confronted with a solid wet root/rock/etc. Its as if the tire lifts away and rides just on the surface of the center knobs. The tire just spins and you go nowhere. Good tires don't release so suddenly and allow the rider to "feather" their power output to regain traction.

    I've noticed that Endo's have a tendency to spin in a similar way on wet rocks or smear mud.

    Bottom line: release and buzzsaw = sudden loss of traction and spin. Having knob ramps facing forward and tread "cupping" facing backwards tends to avoid this phenomenon. This is, fortunately not the case with Nate.

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    Totally makes sense! Yes the Nate does not do this as hard as i try in the snow conditions we are riding right now
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    This has been linked to before, but I think Nate may be a candidate for these guys: screw-in Grip Studs
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