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    My 9-0-7 build

    As promised here it is. I must give special thanks up front to a few people.

    1) Craig Smith at Mendon Cycle Works. I met him yesterday and he hooked me up with my new Lefty, Clownshoe front wheel and a whole lot of fat bike knowledge.

    2) All the boy's I work with at The Bikery in Baldwinsville NY. Mark,Terry and Scott for all there help in set up and figuring out how to build this thing.

    3) Colin Treanor at Fatbikes.com for the awesome frame and help with the purchase.

    I still have some tweaking to do but I took it for a one hour shake down ride tonight. It handled better than I expected and it definitely is not slow. I averaged 12.1 mph on a flat gravely/rocky course. This bike will roll over and climb anything. The traction is sick!

    Yes I know my Lefty is not RED yet. It will be next week.

    Yes I know my rear tire is not lined up properly with the lettering on the rim. It will be next week when I go tubeless.
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    The last few were after the shake down ride tonight.
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    Here are the specs.

    Geneís Fat Bike Build Specs
    1) 9-ZERO-7, 170, CENTERED, LARGE FRAME, BLACK
    2) 9-ZERO-7 REAR HUB, BLACK
    3) AVID X7 HYDRAULIC BRAKES
    4) ASHIMA 160 BRAKE ROTORS, RED CENTERS
    5) BONTRAGER SADDLE, BLACK, RED TRIM
    6) CANNONDALE LEFTY FORK, BLACK & RED, (RED COMING SOON)
    7) CANNONDALE LEFTY FRONT HUB, BLACK
    8) FSA CARBON STEM, BLACK, RED TRIM
    9) FSA HEAD SET, RED
    10) ODI LOCKING GRIPS, LARGE, BLACK, RED CLAMPS
    11) RACE FACE CARBON SEAT POST, BLACK
    12) SHIMANO M540 PEDALS, OOPS, NOT BLACK, HAD THEM HANGING AROUND
    13) SHIMANO XTR FRONT DERAILLEUR
    14) SHIMANO XT REAR DERAILLEUR
    15) SHIMANO XT SHIFTERS, 2 X 10
    16) SHIMANO 10 SPEED CHAIN OOPS, NOT BLACK
    17) SRAM TRUVATIV NDR T30 CARBON BAR, BLACK, RED TRIM
    18) SRAM 11 X 36 10 SPEED CASSETTE
    19) SURLY BIG FAT LARRY TIRES, 4.7 IN.
    20) SURLY CLOWNSHOE 100 MM RIMS, BLACK, BLACK SPOKES, RED NIPíS
    21) SURLY MWOD CRANK SET, 175 MM, BLACK
    22) SURLY RIM STRIPS, RED
    23) SURLY TUBES FOR A FEW DAYS, (GOING TUBELESS NEXT WEEK)
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    Sick build!! Love the Lefty.
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    Yo that's crazy! 100's, bfl's and a lefty
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    We live very close to each other, I'm building up my 9:zero: tomorrow in Syracuse, NY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tracerprix View Post
    We live very close to each other, I'm building up my 9:zero: tomorrow in Syracuse, NY.
    Cool. make sure you post all the good stuff. Lets get a fatty ride together soon.

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    Nice!

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    Wow great bike!!!

    Few Q's:

    do you know the weight?
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    How does it handle? I noticed an increased wheelbase with the lefty?

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    That is a VERY nice build my Friend.....congrats
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crafft View Post
    Wow great bike!!!

    Few Q's:

    do you know the weight?
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    How does it handle? I noticed an increased wheelbase with the lefty?
    I will weigh it this week. I don't think it is any heavier than a full suspension aluminum bike.
    Handling was great. The steering is actually quick. It feels like my Superfly 29 er with much bigger tires. I will play with the tire pressure this week when I go tubeless, which should lighten it considerably.
    I am going to take it to the local trail next weekend and turn some heads.

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    Awesome bike!

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    hey thats good stuff

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    Pure fatbike porn! Sweet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    Cool. make sure you post all the good stuff. Lets get a fatty ride together soon.
    As soon as I get a real fatty together I will want to plan a jersey shore coastal beach ride.
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    Wow, that's stunning!
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    Sweet build.....if I had endless funds I would build it like that...

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    Congrats on the bike... looks great. Am I right in assuming that is a new version of the Mendon clamps? ... wider stance between clamps to fit the larger 9:zero:7 head tube.
    If so, are these readily available now? Cheers Murray

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    ... and if we just ... Beautiful Ride!!! - I have a question about your MWOD drivetrain

    My first 907 frame was black and there are days where I wish I had stuck with that color for the matching 907 fork.A friend and I both have 2012 907s and we both are now running MWODs with 33/24 and 33/26 MWOD chainrings. My friend has an XT FD and I believe mine is SRAM x7 (have to double check that). In any case, are you having any shifting problems?

    We both experience issues with shifting into the big ring from the granny. Interesting enough, my friend does his own mechanical work but I had taken mine to a bike shop and yet we both still run into problems with shifting performance. Enough so that we are considering getting rid of the front derailler and just running it as a 1x10 or just ditching the Surly MWOD crank altogether.

    Also, are you running into any clearance issues with the BFLs and clown shoes? We both are running Nates on RDs and even with the MWOD there is very little clearance when in the 36 rear and granny ring (which is in the middle position of the MWOD rings).

    Thanks,

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    Really loving the build. The front end looks very "hot rod-ish" to me....like a custom chopper.

    The handlebar is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russmu66 View Post


    Congrats on the bike... looks great. Am I right in assuming that is a new version of the Mendon clamps? ... wider stance between clamps to fit the larger 9:zero:7 head tube.
    If so, are these readily available now? Cheers Murray
    Not sure what version clamps they are. I just know the tire clears the fork by about two mm. I don't think the new Bud and or Lou will fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Honeybadger View Post
    My first 907 frame was black and there are days where I wish I had stuck with that color for the matching 907 fork.A friend and I both have 2012 907s and we both are now running MWODs with 33/24 and 33/26 MWOD chainrings. My friend has an XT FD and I believe mine is SRAM x7 (have to double check that). In any case, are you having any shifting problems?

    We both experience issues with shifting into the big ring from the granny. Interesting enough, my friend does his own mechanical work but I had taken mine to a bike shop and yet we both still run into problems with shifting performance. Enough so that we are considering getting rid of the front derailler and just running it as a 1x10 or just ditching the Surly MWOD crank altogether.

    Also, are you running into any clearance issues with the BFLs and clown shoes? We both are running Nates on RDs and even with the MWOD there is very little clearance when in the 36 rear and granny ring (which is in the middle position of the MWOD rings).

    Thanks,
    As stated in the post I have some tweaking to do. I need to set the front derailleur up for the two position instead of three. It did seem to shift well besides that. It just acts like a three speed front which requires an extra shift. I will have it worked out soon.

    I have been working on the crank spacing so I am able to use all ten gears with no rubbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Really loving the build. The front end looks very "hot rod-ish" to me....like a custom chopper.

    The handlebar is awesome.
    I am an old chopper guy so it is no coincidence that the front looks the way it does. The bar seems very comfortable and gave me great control last night on the ride. I left it very wide knowing that I would need the leverage due to the traction of the tires.

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    Thanks! Please keep us posted - the MWOD has been a

    thorn in our side this past summer. We have talked changing spacers but were more perplexed by the poor shifting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Honeybadger View Post
    thorn in our side this past summer. We have talked changing spacers but were more perplexed by the poor shifting.
    I am running an XTR so maybe that's the difference? More to follow when I have a chance to fine tune everything. Now I have to get a hitch receiver and a new rack to transport this thing. It wont fit in the back of my Toyota FJ Cruiser with the front wheel on and it's to heavy to put on the roof. I am taking it ti NC with my Superfly 100 in a couple weeks. I want to ride the White water center trails on the fatty and I am doing the (6 hour grind on the greenway), on my 29 er.

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    Thatís one badass fat Lefty!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    Thatís one badass fat Lefty!!!
    Thank you Mr. Porkstacker. That's exactly the term I was shooting for. It also rides that way.

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    Hell Yes!!! Sweet build...The more I see these Fat Lefty builds the more I am convinced I have to do it to my 2013 Muk 2 that should be here any day now....

    Bravo

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    Sweet ride!! I would love to try a lefty on my 907. Anyway, I am the friend TH is referring to. If you get the front shifting issue dialed in, I would love to know the fix. TH is running a direct mount SRAM X7 with a problem solver mount. I have a Shimano XT e-type which is probably similar to your setup. If my chain is around the 5th gear or higher, I can shift from the 24 to 33 easy, but I have to hold in the thumb until it gets over. I am wondering if it may have something to do with using a 10 speed chain on a 9 speed chainring. That said, have fun on your trip.


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    Sweet fatbike! What clamps are you running on the lefty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silent assassin View Post
    Sweet fatbike! What clamps are you running on the lefty?
    Straight from Craig Smith at Mendon NY.

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    One of these days I am going to have Mr. MendoCraigFatLeftyDudeFromNY build me a fat Lefty setup for my 9:zero:7. Meanwhile I am enjoying the standard girth 29er Lefty setup that Project321.com built for me (along with the wheels). I can only imagine itís about 1000 times more fun than on the skinny 29er tires.
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    Don't know if you're a Mt biker, gcappy...

    But with a bike like this you have the potential to be one heck of a snow/beachbiker. Should handle mountain trails pretty nicely, too, BTW. Love your build.
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    Last night I took her out on a trail I could not ride my Superfly on because the sand is so deep. It goes through a couple of sand pits and a few old gravel pits then a tight trail through the woods. Lots of deep water and mud. I just rode right through like nothing. I could not believe how much fun I had bashing through any thing I came to. It climbs very well too.

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    We want more pics....

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    AWESOME. Great build

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    I need to get a go pro.

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    So sweet!!!! Love it!

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    Hey GC...Did you happen to weigh your lefty with clamps before you installed it (if not did anybody else weigh their lefty setup before installing )? Wondering how much weight my bike will gain by going with a lefty over the stock Muk fork...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sevenz View Post
    Hey GC...Did you happen to weigh your lefty with clamps before you installed it (if not did anybody else weigh their lefty setup before installing )? Wondering how much weight my bike will gain by going with a lefty over the stock Muk fork...
    No I did not. But I will weigh the whole bike as soon as I can. Within a week. More to follow on my Fatty.

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    Hey GC...Did you happen to weigh your lefty with clamps before you installed it (if not did anybody else weigh their lefty setup before installing )? Wondering how much weight my bike will gain by going with a lefty over the stock Muk fork...
    Hey Sevenz, I had mine off the bike this summer for a bit, I weighed it at 2105 for the whole setup (alloy lefty max 140 with clamps/steerer tube assembly). The lefty hub is pretty light though (as opposed to the salsa 135 front hub) so when all was said and done the Mukluk set up with enabler was 2lbs lighter than the muk when set up with the lefty. About the usual suspension fork penalty it seems...

    This 907 build is such a nice bike by the way, it hurts me...

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    Great...Thx for the info.

    Quote Originally Posted by montana_ben View Post
    Hey Sevenz, I had mine off the bike this summer for a bit, I weighed it at 2105 for the whole setup (alloy lefty max 140 with clamps/steerer tube assembly). The lefty hub is pretty light though (as opposed to the salsa 135 front hub) so when all was said and done the Mukluk set up with enabler was 2lbs lighter than the muk when set up with the lefty. About the usual suspension fork penalty it seems...

    This 907 build is such a nice bike by the way, it hurts me...

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    Sweet looking ride sir!

    Thanks for letting me be a part of it.

    And I agree with the others, it looks badass for sure.....



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    Quote Originally Posted by Geist262 View Post
    Sweet ride!! I would love to try a lefty on my 907. Anyway, I am the friend TH is referring to. If you get the front shifting issue dialed in, I would love to know the fix. TH is running a direct mount SRAM X7 with a problem solver mount. I have a Shimano XT e-type which is probably similar to your setup. If my chain is around the 5th gear or higher, I can shift from the 24 to 33 easy, but I have to hold in the thumb until it gets over. I am wondering if it may have something to do with using a 10 speed chain on a 9 speed chainring. That said, have fun on your trip.


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    OK, so this morning I went up to the shop and got some help from my bud, Scott. We both believe that you were correct. The problem emanates from using a ten speed derailleur with nine speed chain-rings. The first thing we did was to set up my 2/3 speed XT shifter to the 2 speed setting. The nine speed chain-ring spacing is farther apart than the ten speed derailleur is willing to shift. I got around this by putting a 1/16" or there abouts spacer behind my derailleur pivot post, (you will have to play with this to get it just right). Not sure what you would do with the problem solver type mount. This brought my big ring shift out far enough to make it to the chain-ring. Conversely it caused my downshift to the small chain-ring to not go far enough inward while on the 36 tooth cog so I dialed the stop screw all the way in to allow full inward travel. With just the right cable tension I can now shift from small chain-ring to big chain-ring while in the 32 tooth cog.
    I am still not satisfied with the set up so I will again rip apart the crank and figure out a way to re-space the chain-rings to mimic a ten speed.
    I am currently able to use all ten cogs with out any chain rub. The only problem is I cant shift to the big ring in any cog bigger than 32. This does not really concern me because beyond the 22x32 would give a horrible chain line any way.
    I have also ordered a new shorter Pugsley spindle because the MWOD spindle is too long for my centered frame application. It gives me too much non drive side play that is currently made up with spacers.
    Hope this helps. These things are a project that I don't see ending soon. Until some one standardizes some components specifically for fat bikes we will have to be the guinea pigs.

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    GC thanks for getting back to me. I have a feeling that because the chain is narrower than a 9 speed, it's not grabbing the ramps as much as it should. I wonder if changing the spacing of the chainrings will help. Much appreciated for the info. Keep us posted.

    BTW, how do you convert the derailleur to a two speed?

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    Good job! Geist - opportunity awaits!!! the malevolent MWOD strikes back

    Quote Originally Posted by Geist262 View Post
    GC thanks for getting back to me. I have a feeling that because the chain is narrower than a 9 speed, it's not grabbing the ramps as much as it should. I wonder if changing the spacing of the chainrings will help. Much appreciated for the info. Keep us posted.

    BTW, how do you convert the derailleur to a two speed?

    Thanks again!


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    Or, I suppose not. Hey let me know what you think. I'm about ready to throw the fsa on and run it with a granny god and a 26 or 28 full time or maybe drop to a 24 or 22 for the snow season. Hope you can work your usual magic on this one!!!

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    I can definitely throw it on and see how it works out for you. I maybe following you if the issues persist. Still on the fence at this point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Geist262 View Post
    GC thanks for getting back to me. I have a feeling that because the chain is narrower than a 9 speed, it's not grabbing the ramps as much as it should. I wonder if changing the spacing of the chainrings will help. Much appreciated for the info. Keep us posted.

    BTW, how do you convert the derailleur to a two speed?

    Thanks again!


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    I believe I will be able to change the chain-ring spacing and correct the misalignment.
    My Shimano XT silver shift lever has a two speed or three speed option. There is a small screw on the underside that points to one or the other. Do not turn the screw before loosening the cable! See link.

    http://bike.shimano.com.sg/media/tec...9830746328.pdf

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    Ahh, ok. I have SRAM shifters not shimano. Probably screwed on that point. I'll wait it out and see how youse out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Geist262 View Post
    Ahh, ok. I have SRAM shifters not shimano. Probably screwed on that point. I'll wait it out and see how youse out.


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    Geist, f you are using a Shimano E type derailler (or any other I think) and you are using a 3 speed Sram shifter but want to use it for two rings only it should work fine. As long as the limit screws on the derailler are adjusted to only allow the derailler access to the 2 rings it shoud work. You just have a phantom 3rd position that you never use. I am doing this on three bikes with no problems

    GCappy, I wonder if part of your problem is from the chainline generated by the long spindle making it harder to push the chain over towards the big ring?
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    GCappy, I wonder if part of your problem is from the chainline generated by the long spindle making it harder to push the chain over towards the big ring?
    sryanak, I currently have the spindle pushed all the way over to the non drive side. All my spacers are on the non drive side. The new Pugsley spindle will be here Monday and will be changed out pronto.

    thanks

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    sryanak, I currently have the spindle pushed all the way over to the non drive side. All my spacers are on the non drive side. The new Pugsley spindle will be here Monday and will be changed out pronto.

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    Oh well so much for that thought. Good Luck with respacing the chainrings, seems like that could work and besides it's always fun taking a grinder to expensive bike parts
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    Tried to go tubeless in the rear tire tonight. Not so good. Got the bead to seat but could not keep any pressure. Stans just bubbling out from the beads. Shake rattle and roll em around to no avail. Ideas please.

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    OK, so overnight the tire seems to have sealed up. I re inflated tonight and it's holding. Went for a short ride around the yard and it seems to be good. Then I pulled off the front wheel and pulled out the tube, taped the rim, put in my Stan's valve stem, installed the tire and aired it up. The bead seated right away. Then I dumped in some sealant, installed the core and added air. It is sitting in the garage at low pressure with a lot of leakage around the bead but this was the scenario last night with the rear tire so I am confident by tomorrow it will be sealed.

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    Are you split tubing it or some other method?

    Sounds like you discovered the let it sit at low pressure method. Allows the sealant to set up in those leaky spots, which then allows the sealant to work better at proper pressures....

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    On the first one, the rear tire I used some closed cell foam about 1/4 in thick to level out the inside of the rim and keep the tire beads out to the edges of the rim. I also used white duct tape to seal it all together. This seemed to work ok but still had the leakage around the bead untile it sat over night. When I did the front tire I decided to skip the foam and just went with several rounds of white duct tape to seal the interior of the rim. I ended up using a rope around the tire to get the beads out and in place. This worked ok and then I aired it up with my compressor. Lots of leakage around the beads. I rode around the yard and some of it sealed and some did not. I let it sit on ist side over night then flipped it this morning. We'll see how it is when I get home.

    I do have another question:
    It seems like the tires are wider without tubes inside. I am getting some frame and front fork rub in a few places around the tire now. Any on else?

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    Your low pressure method is exactly opposite of what I do with my mtnbike tires. I seat the bead w/ sealant and then pump the tires up to 45 psi to drive the sealant into all the little nooks and krannies, and let it sit over night.

    Got any pics of your tubeless setup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Your low pressure method is exactly opposite of what I do with my mtnbike tires. I seat the bead w/ sealant and then pump the tires up to 45 psi to drive the sealant into all the little nooks and krannies, and let it sit over night.

    Got any pics of your tubeless setup?
    I agree. For the 29x2.35 NN's on my Superfly I seated them with about 35 psi and it worked like magic. These giant BFL's on Clownshoes are a different story. I tried jacking the pressure up to about 40 psi, which is 10 psi over the recomended high, and the leakage was so bad I thout I would loose all the sealant within minutes so I let them seep down to around 5 psi and this seems to work over night.
    Sorry I did not take any pictures of the set up. Basicly just as stated above. Foam in the rear rim to level out the space and duct tape to seal it. No foam in the front, just duct tape to seal it.

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    What's the likely hood, Mendon, of getting a 170mm centered 907 set up with a Lefty, Clownshoes, and run Bud and Lou with enough clearance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by farmerfrederico View Post
    What's the likely hood, Mendon, of getting a 170mm centered 907 set up with a Lefty, Clownshoes, and run Bud and Lou with enough clearance?
    Don't know bout that. I am having issues with my BFL's on Clownshoes rubbing since going tubeless. The Bud and Lou are .1" wider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    Don't know bout that. I am having issues with my BFL's on Clownshoes rubbing since going tubeless. The Bud and Lou are .1" wider.
    Rubbing on the Lefty?

    Or rear end?

    If it's the fork, easily solved. Simply dish the wheel over, perhaps a rotation of tighten on one side, loosen on the other. The simply recenter the fork by loosening the clamps, hold the wheel in your knees, twist it till the wheel is centered, and straighten the bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Rubbing on the Lefty?

    Or rear end?

    If it's the fork, easily solved. Simply dish the wheel over, perhaps a rotation of tighten on one side, loosen on the other. The simply recenter the fork by loosening the clamps, hold the wheel in your knees, twist it till the wheel is centered, and straighten the bars.

    farmerfrederico, ditto for you.
    Both. I will redish the front tomorrow. I am more concerned with the rear. The tire seems to have one spot on it that bulges just enough to touch the frame. Currently at 7 psi.

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    Good to hear. Sounds like a Moonlander might be the bike for me then since I want to run the fattest tires available. Thanks for chiming in too, Mendon. Do you recommend the Lefty on a certain frameset? Does it play equally nice with a Moonlander and a 907?
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    Interesting that fatties get fatter w/o tubes.

    I too have the 907 170 centered, and my just stick to HD's and maybe Nates.

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    for those having issues with tubeless conversions...

    some friends of mine made a video to help. Bonus Video! Fat-Ghetto Tubeless from Down Under | FAT-BIKE.COM

    oh and both of the guys *in* the vid' are currently competing in the Simpson Desert Bike Challenge. Big Al (the fellow with the slight British accent) can be followed here.

    Hope that is of some help...

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    some friends of mine made this video link does not work to help confuse you.
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    Looks awesome gcappy !!!!
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    My front tire seems to be sealing up slowly. I think it will be good to go tonight. The rear has sealed completely now. I have watched all the videos on going tubeless but none give a good explanation and cure for what I have encountered. I would like to know how to get a better seal at the tire bead. This has been my only problem. It seems that BFL's do not have a good tight fit on the Clownshoe rim beads. Is there some way to make it tighter? Tape in the bead area or some other kind of filler? Sealing the rest of the rim was no problem.

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    Definitely one Badass 907! How does the lefty handle the weight of front?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shothar View Post
    Definitely one Badass 907! How does the lefty handle the weight of front?
    I am currently running 170 psi in the fork with the rebound set at almost -0-. The tire has soo much rebound from the tire if I have any rebound on the fork it is too much. The bike handles surprisingly well. It actually corners great once you get used to the extra traction of the tires. Usually you have to compensate for sliding while cornering, not with this bike. It just goes where you point it no questions asked. It really rides better than my FS Superfly carbon 29er. Not as flickable of course but it goes places the 29er can't. I am taking both bikes to NC a week from now. Going to do the 6 hour grind on the greenway with the Superfly and ride a bunch of trails on the fatty. Or maybe the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    No I did not. But I will weigh the whole bike as soon as I can. Within a week. More to follow on my Fatty.
    6 days gone...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    It really rides better than my FS Superfly carbon 29er. Not as flickable of course but it goes places the 29er can't. I am taking both bikes to NC a week from now. Going to do the 6 hour grind on the greenway with the Superfly and ride a bunch of trails on the fatty. Or maybe the other way around.
    That is really impressive! Fatbike riding better than Superfly carbon!
    I'd love to try a fatbike, but I have seen only one here and it was locked into a pole. To me the extra weight of a bike isn't any problem, just a matter of thighs

    You should write a report how the 6 hour grind with this badass went! ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by shothar View Post
    That is really impressive! Fatbike riding better than Superfly carbon!
    I'd love to try a fatbike, but I have seen only one here and it was locked into a pole. To me the extra weight of a bike isn't any problem, just a matter of thighs

    You should write a report how the 6 hour grind with this badass went! ^^
    I will pre ride the 6 hour grind trail and decide which bike to race.

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    Nice to have another 9 Zero 7 in upstate ny. Im in Syracuse. Where can i get an orange LEFTY?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatterisbetter View Post
    Nice to have another 9 Zero 7 in upstate ny. Im in Syracuse. Where can i get an orange LEFTY?
    Orange I duno, but Lefty, why MendonCycleSmith of course. Nice bike. I considered the orange but black is just me.

    Tracerprix is also in Syracuse. Lets us three go for a ride on our 9-0-7's

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    Quote Originally Posted by btl68 View Post
    6 days gone...
    Sorry for the delay, but I did make in within a week!
    Only scale I have here at the house is an old bathroom scale so not so accurate. I weighed myself then weighed myself holding the bike. The difference,DRUM ROLL PLEASE, 32.5 lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    Sorry for the delay, but I did make in within a week!
    Only scale I have here at the house is an old bathroom scale so not so accurate. I weighed myself then weighed myself holding the bike. The difference,DRUM ROLL PLEASE, 32.5 lbs.
    That's not bad at all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by btl68 View Post
    That's not bad at all!

    Sweet ride.
    They say the Lefty adds about 2 lbs over the standard rigid fork.

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    Hey senor Gnappy this picture got me thinking, how the hell do you run the front brake on a lefty..??

    Just with the torque of the bolt and a big washer..

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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto View Post
    Hey senor Gnappy this picture got me thinking, how the hell do you run the front brake on a lefty..??

    Just with the torque of the bolt and a big washer..
    That's correct. All the force is in the forward direction so no problem. Also if you need to remove the front wheel you can pop off the caliper and then pull the front wheel as the wheel comes off to the side you have to have the caliper out of the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    That's correct. All the force is in the forward direction so no problem.
    Sure, I was just sad because I can not use the "U" shape washers and I need to use the normal round ones


    Also if you need to remove the front wheel you can pop off the caliper and then pull the front wheel as the wheel comes off to the side you have to have the caliper out of the way.
    Oh I got that, specially since my motorcycles have single sided swing arms and I deal with brakes all the time..

    So how about a picture of the forks with the brake install.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto View Post
    So how about a picture of the forks with the brake install.

    The wheel shot is of course from the wrong side but you can blow up the overall shot and get a good view of the install.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    Orange I duno, but Lefty, why MendonCycleSmith of course. Nice bike. I considered the orange but black is just me.

    Tracerprix is also in Syracuse. Lets us three go for a ride on our 9-0-7's

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    Swapped out handle bar and saddle
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    Sweet! I like the orange. More pics and build spec sheet please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    Sweet! I like the orange. More pics and build spec sheet please.
    Thanks.

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    Well, I thought I had this tubeless thing under control but I went out in the yard to try it out and the rear bead blew right off the rim. I am going back to tubes until I get back from NC and I will attempt it again with the split tube method. Any one running with BFL's on Clownshoes tubeless please speak up.

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    Shez a big ole bang when you blow a fatty off. I was inflating mine with hairspray and a lighter when it happened, im doing fine with SL Q-tubes and stans at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    Shez a big ole bang when you blow a fatty off. I was inflating mine with hairspray and a lighter when it happened, im doing fine with SL Q-tubes and stans at the moment.
    A compressor works great... Have been running tubeless since 11/11 with no problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib View Post
    A compressor works great... Have been running tubeless since 11/11 with no problems.
    Tubless what, on what? Please explain your process in detail if you would. I need to get this straight. I have been told that I should try the split tube method. Comments please.

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    Tubes are back in for the trip. I will try the split tube tubeless method when I get back from NC. Here is a shot of the new bike on the new and modified Thule T2.
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    Sweet build, dude!
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    I am curious as someone who has never seen a fat bike in person what does one like build above cost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo15471 View Post
    I am curious as someone who has never seen a fat bike in person what does one like build above cost?
    Well, This one was custom from the frame up so I suppose if I had paid retail for every thing it would have been around $4500. I really haven't totaled it all up. That might scare me.

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    Well, This one was custom from the frame up so I suppose if I had paid retail for every thing it would have been around $4500. I really haven't totaled it all up. That might scare me.
    i can sure relate to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    I am currently running 170 psi in the fork with the rebound set at almost -0-. The tire has soo much rebound from the tire if I have any rebound on the fork it is too much. The bike handles surprisingly well. It actually corners great once you get used to the extra traction of the tires. Usually you have to compensate for sliding while cornering, not with this bike. It just goes where you point it no questions asked. It really rides better than my FS Superfly carbon 29er. Not as flickable of course but it goes places the 29er can't. I am taking both bikes to NC a week from now. Going to do the 6 hour grind on the greenway with the Superfly and ride a bunch of trails on the fatty. Or maybe the other way around.
    ...or just use the fatty for everything...
    I have a question. What is the purpose of the lefty with almost 0 rebound other than the "BADASS" look? wouldn't be better to use a light carbon or alu fork?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    Tubless what, on what? Please explain your process in detail if you would. I need to get this straight. I have been told that I should try the split tube method. Comments please.
    I've used the split tube method, but tend to think it contributes to easily blown-off tires. I think this happens because the sealant lubricates the tire and tube, making it easy for the tire to fly off the hook bead as you're beading it up with a compressor (that's when it happens -- it doesn't happen once it's beaded properly).

    Typically, what's happening when you blow a tire off the rim is it's beading asymmetrically. Either that, or you've put too much pressure in the tire for the system to handle. Keep in-mind, fatbike tires are not designed to run 40psi, and especially not without tubes. Keep it below 25psi and you'll be fine.

    I use Gorilla Tape to seal the rims, Stan's valve stems and my own homebrew sealant comprised of Mold Builder latex and windshield washer fluid (the original "getto" solution).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morej View Post
    ...or just use the fatty for everything...
    I have a question. What is the purpose of the lefty with almost 0 rebound other than the "BADASS" look? wouldn't be better to use a light carbon or alu fork?
    I still get the added travel for dampening the bumps. The rebound is just the rate of the spring return. It's the same as if you had your rebound set to high on your regular mnt. bike. You get a bouncing effect when you hit an object. With the fat bike the tire has so much volume it's like built in rebound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib View Post
    I've used the split tube method, but tend to think it contributes to easily blown-off tires. I think this happens because the sealant lubricates the tire and tube, making it easy for the tire to fly off the hook bead as you're beading it up with a compressor (that's when it happens -- it doesn't happen once it's beaded properly).

    Typically, what's happening when you blow a tire off the rim is it's beading asymmetrically. Either that, or you've put too much pressure in the tire for the system to handle. Keep in-mind, fatbike tires are not designed to run 40psi, and especially not without tubes. Keep it below 25psi and you'll be fine.

    I use Gorilla Tape to seal the rims, Stan's valve stems and my own homebrew sealant comprised of Mold Builder latex and windshield washer fluid (the original "getto" solution).
    My pressure was at 9psi when it blew off the rim. I had gotten the tire to seal tubeless four days earlier. I rode it a few times in the yard and it seemed ok. I finally got the front tire to seal and again rode the bike in the yard. This time the rear tire just blew right off the rim. I will say that both tires are extremely loose on the rims to start with.

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    I'm curious on the rear skewer! What brand? and yes, Colin is aweseom help at Fatbikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaivism View Post
    I'm curious on the rear skewer! What brand? and yes, Colin is aweseom help at Fatbikes.
    That is a 9-0-7 that came with the 9-0-7 hubs.

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    FATTY HANDLING REPORT:
    I have been in NC all week riding. I took the fatty on some easy trails at Fisher Farm in Davidson to start. I rode all the green and all the blue trails. The more I ride this bike the better I like it. It eats up the trail, especially roots and bumps. `Today I took it to the US National Whitewater Center. I rode the green trails and warmed up then I rode almost all the blue trails. They are fairly technical with lots of sharp uphill turns with roots galore and rocks. I hooked up with three locals and they led me through several miles of trail so I could sit back and let her rip with a guide in front. Let me tell you that fatty was flying on some smooth flowing trails. Sharp turns and short steep rises were nothing for the fatty. I cut around some trees at speed and the traction was incredible. The guy's I was with couldn't believe I was not only able to ride with them (on thier 29er's), but was in front of all but one of them. I will be doing more ridding this week here on the fatty.
    I am afraid to ride my 29er. I may break my neck from the loss of traction!

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    FATTY HANDLING REPORT:
    I have been in NC all week riding. I took the fatty on some easy trails at Fisher Farm in Davidson to start. I rode all the green and all the blue trails. The more I ride this bike the better I like it. It eats up the trail, especially roots and bumps. `Today I took it to the US National Whitewater Center. I rode the green trails and warmed up then I rode almost all the blue trails. They are fairly technical with lots of sharp uphill turns with roots galore and rocks. I hooked up with three locals and they led me through several miles of trail so I could sit back and let her rip with a guide in front. Let me tell you that fatty was flying on some smooth flowing trails. Sharp turns and short steep rises were nothing for the fatty. I cut around some trees at speed and the traction was incredible. The guy's I was with couldn't believe I was not only able to ride with them (on thier 29er's), but was in front of all but one of them. I will be doing more ridding this week here on the fatty.
    I am afraid to ride my 29er. I may break my neck from the loss of traction!
    Remember my post about the fatbike. You won't ride the 9er now. Lol


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    Nice looking bike!

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    Again on the fatty today. I rode the Lake Norman State Park trail system. Did the easy loops for a warm up then on to the only technical loop there, the Laurel Loop. Very nice with lots of technical surprises around each corner. You begin to expect the unexpected on this trail. The fatty took it all in stride and made me feel comfortable with things normally scare the crap out of me. The trails down here in NC are great. I may extend my visit. I think I may have to ride my 29er tomorrow just to keep it happy.

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    Gcappy, could you please measure the distance from the middle of your small cog on your crank to the middle of the frame. I am wondering if this setup would also work with an XX1 on a BOR XC 666 crank which has a chain line of 64mm. Thanks!

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    Just found the information I was searching for:

    http://surlybikes.com/uploads/downlo...Dimensions.PDF

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    ssuats, add to that a 1/8th" washer behind the drive side crank arm. It pushes the entire crank and chain rings over 1/8th". This is what I have on mine to make it work.

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    Thanks Gcappy! BTW, damn cool bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Rubbing on the Lefty?

    Or rear end?

    If it's the fork, easily solved. Simply dish the wheel over, perhaps a rotation of tighten on one side, loosen on the other. The simply recenter the fork by loosening the clamps, hold the wheel in your knees, twist it till the wheel is centered, and straighten the bars.

    farmerfrederico, ditto for you.
    sorry for reviwing this thread but this was the best result google gave me.

    I am now an owner of a Lefty Max fork, wanted to know the secret recipe for a bud cs wheel build. how much wheel dishing should be done? I know 17.5mm offset build with a how many mm of wheel dishing?

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    MCS will have to answer this for you. I have one in the garage waiting for the new bike due to arrive next week. I just ride em, he builds em.

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    It's more art than science

    With the Surly adapter on the non disc side of the build adapter, build it pretty much to dish, plus maybe a fingers width of space on the disc side.

    This will get you very close. Mount the tire, and stick it on the fork. Check for clearance, should be sufficient. If not, usually a turn or two of additional tension on the non disc spokes will get you where you need to be.

    I don't like exact numbers, since someone will always find a way to make that number not work somehow....

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