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    JoeFriday, Thanks for the pictures. Looks good.

    Tankhead10, welcome to the fold. I hope you have a better experience than the Fatboy SE ordeal.

    CarbonGuy, great to see one of these bikes in the snow. How easy did the Dillingers mountup on the mulefut rims?

    Chupathingee, Is that a Large size Revelate Tangle frame bag? I installed my bottle on the seatpost tube mount instead of the downtube. It might give you more space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kuanlin View Post
    hi JoeFriday
    how tall are you ? I am 5,7 with 30 inseam, on the Bd web site it say I should pick small, but I think I should go with medium, anyone got any thought can help me here

    thanks!
    I'm 5'5" (but always claim I'm 5'7") with a 29.5" inseam. The standover on the small is pretty much zero for me but I'm used to that from road bikes with flat top tubes. I just tilt the bike when I stop. It's as natural to me as avoiding toe overlap.

    Generally I wouldn't use standover as a fit guide. You should go with the reach. I would think your reach would be a little longer than mine (I wear 32" sleeve dress shirts). Of course you could always put a longer stem on. On the other hand, if the medium bike was slightly long, you could go to a zero setback seatpost and it would probably feel about right.

    I guess it depends on what matters more to you. I can get used to less standover but can't stand the reach being off by a half inch. For some people it's just the opposite.

    neons97, if you're talking about the aluminum Night Train, I don't think that is the same geometry and they're made in a different factory so the fit would be different.

    I'll just just say that I was afraid that the Small would be too big for me, but it it feels great when I'm riding. It's just a little tall when standing. But I didn't buy it to stand around.

    What do you other guys think? Did the size match what you expected?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFriday View Post
    neons97, if you're talking about the aluminum Night Train, I don't think that is the same geometry and they're made in a different factory so the fit would be different.
    Well if he's talking about standover than neons97 may have a point, since the TI version has less standover than the Alu version. Also their geo's are quite similar very minor diffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFriday View Post
    very nice, carbonguy! How do you like those Dillingers?
    I like 'em! They are studded and freaking expensive, but whatch'a gonna do? They are mounted on Sarma 100's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPaul View Post
    Hi thomcom,

    I'm 6' as well, with ~32" inseam (possibly slightly shorter inseam).

    Good luck with your decision! (but I'd go 19"...)
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    Me too. My boris has 13.5 of seatpost exposed, on a 27.2mm T-mars dropper (~450mm total length!). http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/dai...l#post12321961

    I went ahead and ordered this morning, thanks for the advice! I ordered the aluminum large in black first thing this morning and got a tracking number. I think I feel scrunched up on the Boris, too high. Trying something different with bikes has great cost.

    The NTB looks like a great deal because other than tubeless and cockpit, there's really nothing to upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFriday View Post
    I'm 5'5" (but always claim I'm 5'7") with a 29.5" inseam. The standover on the small is pretty much zero for me but I'm used to that from road bikes with flat top tubes. I just tilt the bike when I stop. It's as natural to me as avoiding toe overlap.

    Generally I wouldn't use standover as a fit guide. You should go with the reach. I would think your reach would be a little longer than mine (I wear 32" sleeve dress shirts). Of course you could always put a longer stem on. On the other hand, if the medium bike was slightly long, you could go to a zero setback seatpost and it would probably feel about right.

    I guess it depends on what matters more to you. I can get used to less standover but can't stand the reach being off by a half inch. For some people it's just the opposite.

    neons97, if you're talking about the aluminum Night Train, I don't think that is the same geometry and they're made in a different factory so the fit would be different.

    I'll just just say that I was afraid that the Small would be too big for me, but it it feels great when I'm riding. It's just a little tall when standing. But I didn't buy it to stand around.

    What do you other guys think? Did the size match what you expected?
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    thanks for the info , I am same size as you, I think I will go for small

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelterock View Post
    Chupathingee, Is that a Large size Revelate Tangle frame bag? I installed my bottle on the seatpost tube mount instead of the downtube. It might give you more space.
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    It's an Oveja Negra frame bag, size large.

    The bottle fits in the downtube mount more easily than the seatpost mount on mine :-/ I can fit bottles but they scrunch up the frame bag a bit and are somewhat difficult to get out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbonguy View Post
    I like 'em! They are studded and freaking expensive, but whatch'a gonna do? They are mounted on Sarma 100's.
    I studded my Bud and Lou using gripstuds. I used 100 of them, at about $1/each.

    I used this article as a guide: Lao Tzu Cycles: Grip Studs in Bud and Lou

    I actually talked with the author last year and asked for a long term review. He said he uses his blog post to put the studs in the same place each winter.

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    A sizing question

    Thanks for all the info on this post. I was just about to pull the trigger on a medium Ti Nighttrain and then got to reading / debating on sizing. I am 5"8" with a 30.5" inseam @170lbs. I prefer a bit more of an aggressive rather than monster truck (i.e. Ice Cream Truck) feel. I am currently riding a Cannondale Trigger Medium which can feel a bit tall, but in terms of reach works very well. Previously I rode a small 26" Klein Pulse Comp for years, then switched to an Indy Fab large that was beautiful but too big... bought it second hand I couldn't resist at the time. Any recommendations on sizing with the Ti Nightrain?
    Thanks for any thoughts y'all might have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jllive View Post
    Thanks for all the info on this post. I was just about to pull the trigger on a medium Ti Nighttrain and then got to reading / debating on sizing. I am 5"8" with a 30.5" inseam @170lbs. I prefer a bit more of an aggressive rather than monster truck (i.e. Ice Cream Truck) feel. I am currently riding a Cannondale Trigger Medium which can feel a bit tall, but in terms of reach works very well. Previously I rode a small 26" Klein Pulse Comp for years, then switched to an Indy Fab large that was beautiful but too big... bought it second hand I couldn't resist at the time. Any recommendations on sizing with the Ti Nightrain?
    Thanks for any thoughts y'all might have.
    I see, you're right on the border on the size chart. I am 5' 11" and got the medium; surprisingly comfortable. I like to sit up tall to shift weight over the rear tire. The distance from ground to top tube is 31", measured just in front of the BB where my tape measure clears the BB. That's with D5's, which are a tad (1/4"? ) higher than the S4.5 that came on the Ti-Night Bullet


    I think your answer is on their website:
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    *If one is between sizes, size down for lower bars more aggressive fit or shorter arms/legs. Size up for higher bars, or longer arms.

    **Add one more inch to standovers for Bluto Equipped Fat bikes.

    *SO Slopes up and increases towards head tube. Standover in chart above and Geometry link has SO on axis with BB and thus is lower than at midpoint.
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    The headangle is pretty lax, so to me it doesn't feel "top" heavy.

    In short, I'd be interested to hear you reporting back after you get the small

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jllive View Post
    Thanks for all the info on this post. I was just about to pull the trigger on a medium Ti Nighttrain and then got to reading / debating on sizing. I am 5"8" with a 30.5" inseam @170lbs. I prefer a bit more of an aggressive rather than monster truck (i.e. Ice Cream Truck) feel. I am currently riding a Cannondale Trigger Medium which can feel a bit tall, but in terms of reach works very well. Previously I rode a small 26" Klein Pulse Comp for years, then switched to an Indy Fab large that was beautiful but too big... bought it second hand I couldn't resist at the time. Any recommendations on sizing with the Ti Nightrain?
    Thanks for any thoughts y'all might have.
    I am 5'7" and have 31.25" inseam. Fatbikes and 29ers share similar tire diameters. I like an aggressive fit and would choose a 15.5 inch Motobecane Titanium NightTrain.
    I have always gotten a good fit when I choose a bike with an ETT (effective top tube) that's closest to what I prefer. Saddle and stem length/positions can be tuned further

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    I pulled the trigger on a large yesterday, can't wait for it to arrive. I am also 5'11" but went with the large over the medium. I was on the fence but decided to take a chance. Now I just need a sell a few bikes to bring in some cash. This is replacing an early Pugs that works fine but is long in the tooth.

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    Congrats. I was on the fence also. I too ordered the large. After having the medium fat boy in my hands I just don't think having more than a foot of post sticking out of a frame is good for the long term..... mine will be here Tuesday..

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    Congrats guys. I think the sizing is exactly as carbon guy explains... if you're on the edge of two sizes, size down for an aggressive feel, size up for a little more relaxed stretched out ride.

    We got some snow this morning in Wisconsin and I just got back from the first ride in white stuff. The bike was a blast. I had forgotten how much of a workout the snow adds, but it felt great.

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    Gosh damn that looks inviting.... Xmas is coming...Xmas is coming

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    Hello everyone! I ordered my new Night Train Bullet Titanium last Sunday and it arrived on Friday. No complaints with BD or UPS with packaging and shipping. The bike is in perfect condition. I'm waiting to finish putting it together until a few component upgrades arrive. I've been riding my "better half's" Sturgis Bullet while she's away visiting family, so I'll have a good comparison of the two after I get on the Ti bike. I'm setting them both up tubeless, 1x with wolf tooth and raceface components, eTen dropper posts and carbon handlebars. I'm a bargain hunter, so I'll wait until the right parts come up for the right price. Her bike is a 2015 and it has the 120mm bluto and mine came with the 100mm, so I'll probably swap those out. We're up in the Lake Tahoe area and plan on using them in the snow as well as the dirt. I'm looking forward to seeing and reading about everyone else's adventures and tinkerings with these fun bikes.

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    I'm in the market for a carbon front fork for winter riding, but one that will fit the 2XL. I know someone's done the research, what's out there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    I'm in the market for a carbon front fork for winter riding, but one that will fit the 2XL. I know someone's done the research, what's out there?
    There's a 2xl 5.05 thread on here somewhere with lots of fork talk. the Headtube is tapered and there rest should be standard fare.
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    Couple Questions on 1X10 or 1X11

    What is the formal designation for the freehub we have? HG Shimano style?

    Can you run a 11-42t 10Sp Cassette with the X7 rear derailleur, if yes, what if any adjustments should I look for? Was thinking the new Sunrace CSMX8 11-42t 10spd. Wide ratio but only 10sp with a 28t up front.

    Is the Ride 36/22 crank on the Sturgis a 104/64mm BCD? Can you run a 28T on the inside spider and adjust it outward and a bashguard on the 104mm BCD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    I'm in the market for a carbon front fork for winter riding, but one that will fit the 2XL. I know someone's done the research, what's out there?
    The Bikes Direct carbon fork clears it, but its pretty tight.
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    Well the bike is here. It is huge, beautiful and in PERFECT condition. Stand over is basically my nuts split between the top tube. It is SO tall up front. But once on the bike all is well.

    I have one question. The crank arms had washers zip tied to it, do I need to use then for the crank pedal interface? Are they necessary?

    This is a huge bike. I don't mean that it doesn't fit me, it's just a huge bike. Doesn't feel heavy at all. Wow what a quality frame!!! Just as sweet as my Merlin Agilis was. And the rock shock is beautiful also. Can't wait to hit the trails early thanksgiving morning... Thanks for all your help, pics to follow...happy thanksgiving everyone.

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    Tank head, great to hear you like the bike. The washers go on the pedal shafts and when tight sit flush in the crank. It's necessary.

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    Good that's where I put them. I saw the inset on the cranks just making sure. Thanks. Can't wait to go ride this beast...

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    Warning sticker on the top tube. Does removing it void warranty? What is the warranty on the frame by the way? Thanks. Been up staring at the bike and tweeking the position of the brake levers/shifters since 4:45 am. BEAUTIFUL!

    Thanks again.
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    I think the removal of the Motobecane from frame is the issue. I pulled the warning label off mine. Warranty is a case by case thing, I think, with BD.
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    That warning label was removed from my bike about 30 seconds after I removed the dork disc (which was the first thing I did after the full assembly). It's like the mattress labels that say "do not remove under penalty of death" or something to that effect. It's just a manufacturer CYA decal.

    And yeah.. it seems like a really big frame, doesn't it? I've seen aluminum frames with smaller tubes.. LOL. But it rides really nice so I'm not complaining. Just imagine if BD could get the frame designed with hydroformed tubing to get the sizing a little more user friendly. It would be the best bang you'd ever find for a fat bike.

    Btw, I tried going tubeless again this weekend and STILL can't get the tire to release its death grip from the rim. I even carefully put a heat gun on the tire to get it a little more pliable with no help. I think I'll just ride it tubed for the winter and worry about it next spring. If anybody wants to come over and show me how to do it, I'll buy you a case of Fat Tire ale.
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    @JoeFriday - you may want to check out this thread

    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/sun...l#post12330717

    Using C-clamps is probably the best way to go. This would not risk damaging the wheel/rim. However, careful use of 2x4s should also work. Video of a guy breaking the bead on motorcycle rims:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNrhMUPxI3o

    hope this helps

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    JoeFriday,

    I'm 6'7" 260lbs and I just stomped on it. It can handle my weight flying a rocky trail. it's not that fragile so put some @ss into it or get your biggest next door neighbor to step on it. It did take 3 plastic tire irons to get it off the rims after the bead was released.

    Look at it this way. A flat on the trail and walk is no fun. At Home, with appropriate beverage in close proximity, you can work this thing over and not face the long walk of shame on the trail. Don't give up and Happy thanksgiving.
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    Thanks for the help, guys. Shelterock, I'm literally half your weight, so I might not have quite the influence as you do. I'll try the c-clamp method first. I wasn't all that worried about damaging the tire, but was afraid I'd tear the tube inside and not be able to finish the job, resulting in an unrideable wheel until I did something drastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redmanf18 View Post
    Hello everyone! I ordered my new Night Train Bullet Titanium last Sunday and it arrived on Friday. No complaints with BD or UPS with packaging and shipping. The bike is in perfect condition. I'm waiting to finish putting it together until a few component upgrades arrive. I've been riding my "better half's" Sturgis Bullet while she's away visiting family, so I'll have a good comparison of the two after I get on the Ti bike. I'm setting them both up tubeless, 1x with wolf tooth and raceface components, eTen dropper posts and carbon handlebars. I'm a bargain hunter, so I'll wait until the right parts come up for the right price. Her bike is a 2015 and it has the 120mm bluto and mine came with the 100mm, so I'll probably swap those out. We're up in the Lake Tahoe area and plan on using them in the snow as well as the dirt. I'm looking forward to seeing and reading about everyone else's adventures and tinkerings with these fun bikes.
    I pulled the trigger on the night train bullet Ti last sunday. Will be here Monday. I live in Reno and ride Tahoe quite a bit in the summer. Im looking forward to riding in the winter as well.

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    WOWOWOWOWOW. 2.5 hours of laughing out loud FUN. Everything functioned as it should. I like the shifters more than I thought but still miss grip shift.

    The only problem is that the seat post slipped twice while riding. I am just at about 3+ on the seatpost but it slipped down to 2 the first time and just above 3 the next. Don't know if I put too much ti prep on post or what but this happened when I had another ti frame mountain bike. It became a problem...... Hopefully not on this bike.

    Other than that; it really is just what I was looking for. Something new. Something exciting. A new type of riding in the woods. How wonderful! It is a beast and I am the beast master. Thanks BikesDirect for such a wonderful package. Thanks everyone here for your valued information. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

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    Did an afternoon ride with my boys to the abandoned lighthouse out on Cedar Point in Easthampton NY. Low tide made a boulevard to ride down.
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    Maybe it's been answered before, but what is the deal with the Motobecane and BD hate?

    I was at my LBS and test rode some bikes in the last few weeks. The 2016 Kona WO was particularly interesting because it was a good fit while the Carver Ti was a little out of my price range. I had not told them about deciding on a NTB Ti yet when during discussion one of the owners mentioned how heavy a current bike build was going, and said "It'll be heavy, like Sturgis Heavy". Since I was interested in all bikes that fit my criteria (to replace my aged Pugs), I knew the weight of the Sturgis to be the same as the WO, around 35/36 pounds. I did not mention this since the Sturgis was obviously the distant relative no one talked about, but I am unsure as to why. The NTB/Sturgis has a nice build, better than the WO, and very similar dimensions with nearly identical pricepoints. For a few hundred more, I chose the Ti due to it being Ti (I love my early Merlin road bike) and the superior build components.

    I know the LBS don't make money off BD bikes but you'd think they'd be happy to get the business from upgrade/maintenance/failures than nothing at all. It's been said many times the LBS doesn't make a lot of the bikes they sell, they make it by other avenues.

    Now I'm hesitant to take the bike (when it arrives) to my favorite LBS just for that reason, should it need anything. I don't really want to go to another one since I don't trust them, trust built over years of interaction. So what do you do?

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    Learn how to maintain the bike yourself. It's not that difficult.

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    It's a combination of a couple things. First, Motobecane hasn't been a top tier name brand in decades. Sort of like Raleigh was a department store bike at one point. There's no caché behind the brand like there is for Colnago. But with a French name it's sort of looked upon as a poseur brand by the 'elite'.

    Then there is the fact that no Tour winners are riding them. And that's mostly how people decide what is 'good'. It doesn't matter if it's an excellent product for the everyday biker. It's how many times they see the brand on a podium that matters to them, even tho the bikes that the pros are riding are a far cry from the bikes in stores.

    And along that same vein, there's advertising and magazine reviews. Little to none is done for the Motobecane lineup. So the bike shops sneer at the 'no name' brand. Even tho they all know of it.

    The irony is that everyone says you could buy a bike like ours and strip off all the parts and throw away the frame (which is the only 'Motobecane' part) and still get a decent deal. So they know the value is there even if the frame were junk. However, those who have ridden them know the quality is right up there.

    There's another thread on here where someone was debating between buying a Ti Motobecane and a Surly. And all the Moto-haters were talking trash about the ti frame and how it was stupid to 'shoot your wad' on a Motobecane frame compared to a 'good ti frame' until I pointed out that none of them ever saw one of the frames in person, and for the price you were not getting just a ti frame, but a full SRAM, Mulefut, Bluto build up. The frame is almost free. Oddly enough, nobody had a comeback for that.

    Btw, I had a very different experience when I took my Sturgis into a LBS to find a rear rack that fit. At least three of the guys working in the back came out to look it over. It was probably the first Moto fat bike they'd seen. They looked it over pretty closely and all seemed to approve. But I think that's the difference between actually seeing one and just hearing about a 'mail order bike'.

    Of course, if you brought yours into their shop, their first thought would be 'he didn't buy from us'. But if they have any common sense they'd treat you as a valued custom still. If they don't, they aren't worth doing business with anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRP View Post
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    Good point. In the 30 years that I've been riding, I've taken bikes to the shop exactly twice. The first time was for a new front dérailleur that I couldn't get to shift right. The mechanic couldn't either and swapped it out under warranty. The second time was to have a bottom bracket installed. It was cheaper to have them do it rather than buy the required tool and I knew I wouldn't be doing it another time.

    Seriously, bikes are so simple I could list every single part off the top of my head. It's not rocket science. And aside from messing with cassettes or bottom brackets, you can work on just about anything with a wrench, screwdriver or hex tool. You know those little multi-tools that fit in seatbags? That's what I use for 90% of my maintenance.
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    I grew up in Belgium, France, U.K. And now 25+ years in NY. I rode several original Motobecane bikes including the full suspension deal they made in the 80s. Their mopeds were awesome too, what a way to get around when you were 14.
    The lbs got a shot at my money, and 6 months of reading told me that these bikes are a great deal. I work hard for my cash. I choose these guys. We're in an area where there is little competition and with my size, no inventory on the floor. These things made the decision easier.
    I took my bike in to get the derailleur tuned up And didn't have A torque wrench so they secured the front rotor too. I asked them to inflate the bluto too but they forgot. Getting value for your money is hard.

    The bikes direct 'tude is very common partly because if it doesn't say Gucci, it can't be good. I see it in my RC flying space too. Futaba, JR, Spektrum big bucks, I fly a $50 transmitter, 1/4 of the price, and never had a glitch with my China built unit.
    If it ain't a brand, it can't be good. Short sightedness is hard to accept when you spent all your money to look the part versus just getting out and riding.

    Consider yourself a savvy shopper and informed consumer. The LBS resents the loss of business to the Internet. It's a growing trend. It's nieve of them to not be nice to You regardless of what you buy. Service it with a smile and you may get more business in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelterock View Post
    I grew up in Belgium, France, U.K. And now 25+ years in NY. I rode several original Motobecane bikes including the full suspension deal they made in the 80s. Their mopeds were awesome too, what a way to get around when you were 14.
    The lbs got a shot at my money, and 6 months of reading told me that these bikes are a great deal. I work hard for my cash. I choose these guys. We're in an area where there is little competition and with my size, no inventory on the floor. These things made the decision easier.
    I took my bike in to get the derailleur tuned up And didn't have A torque wrench so they secured the front rotor too. I asked them to inflate the bluto too but they forgot. Getting value for your money is hard.

    The bikes direct 'tude is very common partly because if it doesn't say Gucci, it can't be good. I see it in my RC flying space too. Futaba, JR, Spektrum big bucks, I fly a $50 transmitter, 1/4 of the price, and never had a glitch with my China built unit.
    If it ain't a brand, it can't be good. Short sightedness is hard to accept when you spent all your money to look the part versus just getting out and riding.

    Consider yourself a savvy shopper and informed consumer. The LBS resents the loss of business to the Internet. It's a growing trend. It's nieve of them to not be nice to You regardless of what you buy. Service it with a smile and you may get more business in the future.
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    Having been directly involved in the bike industry and worked with many shops of all sizes I can tell you that bike sales do not drive the success of the LBS. Service/repair, parts and apparel are where we make money. Bring your bikes to them for service and they will be happy. There are far too many brands on the market for shops to cop an attitude.

    Forget the mail order nonsense too. It's not like the LBS bikes are delivered by storks. They bulk buy the minimum requirement to maintain the brand......and the bikes come in waves. Assembly and push out the door. Mix in some apparel, a helmet and it's a nice sell.

    LBS owners are not in it just for the money. They have to have a passion for cycling because they could work at Costco and make more....with better benefits.

    Ride on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NRP View Post
    Learn how to maintain the bike yourself. It's not that difficult.
    Thanks, for the most part I do and have a whole private bike shop in the basement (3 stands and lots of specialty tools), but the higher end tools I won't invest in since they'll be so infrequently used. For this and questions I have trouble answering due to the new components I am not well versed in necessiate a trip the the LBS, which is one of the better ones out there. The industry moves so fast by the time I'm versed in something, it changes or is obsolete. I have a day job and can't keep up with how fast it moves while taking time to ride and do things around the house.

    SpartanBrewer has a goood point about the LBS not being in it for the money, but I get the impression a few there are. They do need to make money and I can't fault them for it, but they are less...forgiving...on pricing flexibility than some others. Still, they're great people and I'll continue to give them my patronage since they have earned it over the years. They're the type you drop off the 12-pack to on hot days so they'll be happy. I think we all know those bike shops and I am happy to have them around.

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    I hear you, Dilligaff. I've been riding fairly passionately for several dozen years, and the last bike I built up was only 7 years ago. But when I started to research bikes for a new build a couple months ago, I was shocked how much had changed in just a few years. Through axles and disc brakes being the most obvious. And bottom bracket standards have mostly been thrown out the window. SRAM used to be a smaller entity in the components market but have become much more mainstream. And then there are the minor details like clutch derailleurs and whatnot. It's a different world, for sure. But once you get some of the new technology sorted out, it's still just a bicycle with a limited number of parts.
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    I made a little progress on the tubeless conversion the other day. I finally figured out how to break the bead on those Mulefut/Snowshoe bastards. It doesn't actually require brute force, but just a long time (15 minutes or so) of stepping on the tires, going all around the rim. Eventually they loosen up enough to get the bead broken in one spot and then it's not so bad. Altho, removing the tires from the rims required enough swearing to send my dog running from the room. And I managed to break 3 tire levers, too. So make sure you have a good supply of those if you're doing it the first time.

    Unfortunately, I didn't manage a successful conversion. I didn't have the Sun/Ringle tape on hand, but found some 2.88" Gorilla tape in a local store. Another wrench that I threw into the works was that I couldn't find Sun/Ringle rim strips, and was using a 64mm Surly (Rolling Darryl) version, which went on fairly easily but seemed to be a good fit. They didn't look significantly wider than the 60mm stock strips, so I don't think that was much of an issue. But the rim tape definitely wasn't doing the job since I had leaks all over the place. Both wheels would inflate to 20psi with a compressor, but only held air for about 10 minutes even with about 6oz of Stan's. So I'll have to try again with better/wider tape. I might pony up for the approved Sun/Ringle tape.

    For now, I'm just glad to have figured out how to separate the rim and tire.
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    And here's something I figured out that might be helpful for anybody with a Bluto. If you want to put your bike on a car rack with the front wheel removed, you'll need a through-axle adapter. Make sure you get one wide enough for the Bluto fork. Most adapters are set up for a standard width fork.

    It looks like the best option is the Hurricane Brutus Fork Up (15x150) adapter. There's another thread about it already, but thought I'd mention it here..

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    Hey y'all, I just replaced my water bottle cage bolts with some nylon bolts. I noticed that there was absolutely no ti prep on these bolts. Please check your frames and apply ti prep where needed...luckily I won't need the three locations for anything. I use a camelback for hydration and tool carrying..

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    Hey Joe from bikes direct, could you speak about the prep of these frames with components? If it is something the consumer should be doing no prop, just give us a little insight of frame prep while installing components. Or should we be taking to motobecane. Thanks for your time..

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    I made a gushy post about the Al NTB: Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread - Page 114- Mtbr.com Moving all these components to a Ti frame indeed makes a pretty epic bike.

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    So will this bike fit 100mm rim/4.8s ie clownshoe w bud/lou ? Same for their carbon fork? Would love to see some pics of this setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankhead10 View Post
    Hey Joe from bikes direct, could you speak about the prep of these frames with components? If it is something the consumer should be doing no prop, just give us a little insight of frame prep while installing components. Or should we be taking to motobecane. Thanks for your time..

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    Personally, I like to go through all my bikes and use anti-seize and teflon plumbers tape on all threaded parts and re-torque. On rotor bolts a bit of blue loctite is good too.

    On seatpost and stem / bar clamp areas a little bit of carbon friction paste. Of course, re-torque all cranks and every bolt periodically especially keep those pedals tight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFriday View Post
    And here's something I figured out that might be helpful for anybody with a Bluto. If you want to put your bike on a car rack with the front wheel removed, you'll need a through-axle adapter. Make sure you get one wide enough for the Bluto fork. Most adapters are set up for a standard width fork.

    It looks like the best option is the Hurricane Brutus Fork Up (15x150) adapter. There's another thread about it already, but thought I'd mention it here..

    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/for...to-995016.html
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    It's fairly expensive, plus the adapters aren't cheap, but it's good quality and they do make adapters for just about every axle configuration (Comes with 100mm QR, 15 TA and 20 TA, and I purchased 135 QR and 150 TA).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ol' Grey Pug View Post
    So will this bike fit 100mm rim/4.8s ie clownshoe w bud/lou ? Same for their carbon fork? Would love to see some pics of this setup.
    I've run the stock wheels (80mm) with 4.8 Knard and 4.8 Lou on the frame, no rub. The Knard is a huge tire too.

    I know that doesn't answer your question but I wanted to throw that out there :-)

    According to this site (How Fat can we go? | Blog | Surly Bikes) the Lou on a 100mm rim is 10mm wider than on an 82 mm rim.

    I'll post some pics of clearance of the Lou on 80mm rim so you can hopefully get somewhat of an idea of how much clearance Lou on 100mm will have.

    While I'm at it I'll grab some pics of my Bud w/ a Framed Alaskan carbon fork. I went with the Framed fork because it is available in white, which matches the aesthetic of my Sturgis Ti better (white logos and white Bluto). Based on photos of the BD carbon fork I wouldn't be surprised if they are manufactured by the same company, as they are very similar in appearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFriday View Post
    I made a little progress on the tubeless conversion the other day. I finally figured out how to break the bead on those Mulefut/Snowshoe bastards. It doesn't actually require brute force, but just a long time (15 minutes or so) of stepping on the tires, going all around the rim. Eventually they loosen up enough to get the bead broken in one spot and then it's not so bad. Altho, removing the tires from the rims required enough swearing to send my dog running from the room. And I managed to break 3 tire levers, too. So make sure you have a good supply of those if you're doing it the first time.

    Unfortunately, I didn't manage a successful conversion. I didn't have the Sun/Ringle tape on hand, but found some 2.88" Gorilla tape in a local store. Another wrench that I threw into the works was that I couldn't find Sun/Ringle rim strips, and was using a 64mm Surly (Rolling Darryl) version, which went on fairly easily but seemed to be a good fit. They didn't look significantly wider than the 60mm stock strips, so I don't think that was much of an issue. But the rim tape definitely wasn't doing the job since I had leaks all over the place. Both wheels would inflate to 20psi with a compressor, but only held air for about 10 minutes even with about 6oz of Stan's. So I'll have to try again with better/wider tape. I might pony up for the approved Sun/Ringle tape.

    For now, I'm just glad to have figured out how to separate the rim and tire.
    Spring for the Sun/Ringle tape. I've done 4 tubeless fat bike setups prior to this one, and between the Mulefut rim and the Sun/Ringle tape this was by far the easiest - and that's even with non tubeless-ready tires (Surly BFL/Knard summer, and Bud/Lou winter).

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbonguy View Post
    I like 'em! They are studded and freaking expensive, but whatch'a gonna do? They are mounted on Sarma 100's.
    carbonguy runs Dillinger 5 studded on 100mm Naran Sarma carbon rims. Seems to fit nicely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chupathingee View Post
    I'm a huge fan of the Kuat Trio - Products | Küat Racks

    It's fairly expensive, plus the adapters aren't cheap, but it's good quality and they do make adapters for just about every axle configuration (Comes with 100mm QR, 15 TA and 20 TA, and I purchased 135 QR and 150 TA).
    Thanks for the info. I've been using my Thule system for almost 20 years now and it was fine in the past, but not quite cutting it with the fat bike. Looks like the Kuat Trio is a better setup. I just ordered one for $132 shipped. I'll have to get the 150 TA adapter, but with that it should be much more secure than the Thule/Hurricane setup.
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    Here's my bike in winter mode. In addition to previous modifications I have mounted studded Bud and Lou tires and a Framed Alaskan Carbon fork and Moose Mitts pogies. I also tend to leave my frame bag and seat pack (Oveja Negra) mounted since changing temps and weather in the winter can dictate layers being added/removed.

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    I received my large NTB Ti a few days ago but have been too sick to assemble it. Today I felt good enough to give it a try. I have to say I'm impressed.

    It weighs 34lbs 8 oz without pedals.

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    And 35 lbs 5 oz with the cheap 520 SPD's.

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    I'll swap out a few things and lighten it up some, but it's lighter than my early Pugs with a bunch of upgrades already, which comes in at just over 37 pounds.

    And there is a ton of room for tires. I did not see it posted, so I thought I'd post up the clearances on the stock Snowshoe's (120 tpi, 4.5").

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    Congrats! Hope you are feeling better........ enough to ride that beast....

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    I like this a lot. My only gripe is that the rear brake isn't tucked into the triangle like it is on the aluminum version.
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    Looks good!

    Just outta curiosity, what size is your frame? It weighs the same as my size small Sturgis Bullet ti.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chupathingee View Post
    I've run the stock wheels (80mm) with 4.8 Knard and 4.8 Lou on the frame, no rub. The Knard is a huge tire too.

    I know that doesn't answer your question but I wanted to throw that out there :-)

    According to this site (How Fat can we go? | Blog | Surly Bikes) the Lou on a 100mm rim is 10mm wider than on an 82 mm rim.

    I'll post some pics of clearance of the Lou on 80mm rim so you can hopefully get somewhat of an idea of how much clearance Lou on 100mm will have.

    While I'm at it I'll grab some pics of my Bud w/ a Framed Alaskan carbon fork. I went with the Framed fork because it is available in white, which matches the aesthetic of my Sturgis Ti better (white logos and white Bluto). Based on photos of the BD carbon fork I wouldn't be surprised if they are manufactured by the same company, as they are very similar in appearance.
    Here are pics of clearance with Bud/Lou tubeless at ~10 psi on the stock wheels. I've been running these tires for 2 winters, that combined with the tubeless setup means they're probably on the big side for Bud/Lou. Plus 10 psi is higher than you would run off road/in snow (I run that high for commuting on pavement only). The front fork is a Framed Alaskan.

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    I just noticed that my angles kinda suck, and that the actual clearance is pretty close to 1/2" on each side for the front fork, a little less in the rear. That means you *should* be able to run Bud/Lou on 100mm rims without rubbing (but don't quote me/do so at your own risk). It will be close (10mm extra width = .4 inches), but if you're running tubes you should have more room.

    I'll get better pics of the frame clearance from more straight on tonight.

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    Chupathingee,
    Looks sharp with the Framed fork. Did you have to change any headset cups or races to fit the fork?
    Also, with the Bud, you're running a 1X front so what clearance do you have and how do you think that will fit a 2X when it comes to chain rub?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFriday View Post
    Looks good!

    Just outta curiosity, what size is your frame? It weighs the same as my size small Sturgis Bullet ti.
    Sorry, it's a large frame, I added it to my post.

    I also never noticed the brake mount.

    I thought I'd post clearances because the Ti and Al frames are made in different factories and people have mentioned different clearances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    And there is a ton of room for tires. I did not see it posted, so I thought I'd post up the clearances on the stock Snowshoe XL's (120 tpi, 4.5").
    FYI...the 4.5" are not "XL". The XL's are 4.8" and have an almost completely different tread/block pattern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelterock View Post
    Chupathingee,
    Looks sharp with the Framed fork. Did you have to change any headset cups or races to fit the fork?
    Also, with the Bud, you're running a 1X front so what clearance do you have and how do you think that will fit a 2X when it comes to chain rub?
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    I purchased an FSA 1.5" crown race, specifically this one for $11 from Universal Cycles:

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    The Framed fork came with two split crown races (my LBS said you can install them without a press), compression plug, and axle.

    Regarding the chain clearance I'll take a pic this evening of the chain in the biggest cog. I purchased a smaller chainring to get my granny gear ratios back for the winter, and I'll switch back to the current larger chainring in the summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    I received my large NTB Ti a few days ago but have been too sick to assemble it. Today I felt good enough to give it a try. I have to say I'm impressed.

    It weighs 34lbs 8 oz without pedals.

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    It looks like the Sturgis Ti and the NTB Ti weigh about the same:

    Quote Originally Posted by Chupathingee View Post
    I took the pedals and the reflectors off to weigh it again, since I realized that tends to be how people weigh their bikes...


    This is a completely stock 19" Motobecane Sturgis Bullet Ti, and it weighs 34 lb 8 oz (34.5 pounds). This is consistent with the weight I got earlier with pedals/reflectors.


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    Given the parts list I would expect the NTB Ti to be about half a pound lighter than the Sturgis Ti. Perhaps it can be chalked up to scale margin of error.
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    I think they weigh 'relatively' the same. I'm sure the frames are the same. The tires are actually different. The Sturgis gets 72tpi Snowshoes and the NTB gets a nicer (presumably lighter) 120tpi version. The crankset is probably a quarter pound lighter, as well. And there are a few other minor weight losses in other components, but nothing significant. So, if you compare the same size frames, the NTB will likely weigh about a pound less (as a guess). That's why your size Large NTB weighs the same as my Small Sturgis Bullet.

    If you convert to tubeless, weigh your tires separately so we can get an idea what they are at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neons97 View Post
    FYI...the 4.5" are not "XL". The XL's are 4.8" and have an almost completely different tread/block pattern.
    You're right, I stand corrected. I'm not sure where I got that (incorrect) information from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFriday View Post
    I think they weigh 'relatively' the same. I'm sure the frames are the same. The tires are actually different. The Sturgis gets 72tpi Snowshoes and the NTB gets a nicer (presumably lighter) 120tpi version. The crankset is probably a quarter pound lighter, as well. And there are a few other minor weight losses in other components, but nothing significant. So, if you compare the same size frames, the NTB will likely weigh about a pound less (as a guess). That's why your size Large NTB weighs the same as my Small Sturgis Bullet.

    If you convert to tubeless, weigh your tires separately so we can get an idea what they are at.
    I am referring to bikes of the same size. According to each of our scales, my Sturgis Ti in large and his NTB Ti size large weigh the same - 34 lb 8 oz. Breaking down the components:

    Crank - Ride weighs 30g more than Turbine.
    Tires - 72 tpi tires weigh 90g more than 120 tpi tires (Vee's site is confusing but I think I got this one right).
    Brakes - R weighs 5g more than RS.
    Rear derailleur - X7 weighs 11 grams less? than X9.
    Shifters - X5 weighs 18g more than X7.

    The Sturgis Ti only weighs 132g more by spec. Less of a difference than I thought, but still 4.65 oz. We have the same displayed weight probably due to scale inconsistencies.

    That being said the upgrades on the NTB are better, though not significantly lighter. Tires make all the difference in the world, and I would imagine the drivetrain on the NTB shifts a lot smoother/quicker. I swapped all the parts off my bike almost as soon as I got it, so I can't really comment on any of the components. I ended up going with the Sturgis because I was selling all the components on my old bike anyway, and I liked the look of white :-)

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    Chuppathinge-Thanks for posting the pics/measurements! Sweet looking bike you have there

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    yeah, I went with the Sturgis Bullet for the same reason. I think a white fork on titanium looks a lot nicer than black. But that's just me.

    After spending much of my morning at work scouring the web for info on the 72tpi Snowshoe, I finally found someone with firsthand experience..

    Vee Rubber Snow Shoe 4.5 ? How To Lie About The Size Of Your Unit | Electric-FatBike.com

    According to the blogger's scale, it comes in at 1225 grams. Apparently not much different than the 120tpi version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chupathingee View Post
    I purchased an FSA 1.5" crown race, specifically this one for $11 from Universal Cycles:

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    The Framed fork came with two split crown races (my LBS said you can install them without a press), compression plug, and axle.

    Regarding the chain clearance I'll take a pic this evening of the chain in the biggest cog. I purchased a smaller chainring to get my granny gear ratios back for the winter, and I'll switch back to the current larger chainring in the summer.
    Thanks, very useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasilis View Post
    Newbie to fatbikes here... Got a a NB Ti and looking to go tubeless... Can someone point me to instructions or a vid with materials needed and process? Thanks!
    Search in Google for the name of the rim and 'tubeless'. You get a bunch of videos and threads

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    Newbie to fatbikes here... Got a a NB Ti and looking to go tubeless... Can someone point me to instructions or a vid with materials needed and process? Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFriday View Post
    yeah, I went with the Sturgis Bullet for the same reason. I think a white fork on titanium looks a lot nicer than black. But that's just me.

    After spending much of my morning at work scouring the web for info on the 72tpi Snowshoe, I finally found someone with firsthand experience..

    Vee Rubber Snow Shoe 4.5 ? How To Lie About The Size Of Your Unit | Electric-FatBike.com

    According to the blogger's scale, it comes in at 1225 grams. Apparently not much different than the 120tpi version.
    FWIW, my 120 tpi 4.5" Snowshoes came out to 1256 and 1309 grams on my scale.

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    So I think I'm going to get a new fatbike, but I can't decide if I want the TI version or Al. I've always wanted a ti bike, and know I would love it if I got it, but I'm a college student and the $500 difference is a lot to me.
    I tend to break frames, and I know the TI would hold up to me better, but I like the shape of the aluminum tubes and the way they did the rear brake.

    I also prefer the NT color scheme with the black bluto and labels, but I'm not shelling out another $300 for it.

    On an unrelated note: how are the labels adhered to the frame? Would it be possible to remove them or is it too much work? I'm sure that at this level they aren't just slapping stickers on it, but I still think rearranging the letters to say MOOT would be funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdawg21892 View Post
    So I think I'm going to get a new fatbike, but I can't decide if I want the TI version or Al. I've always wanted a ti bike, and know I would love it if I got it, but I'm a college student and the $500 difference is a lot to me.
    I tend to break frames, and I know the TI would hold up to me better, but I like the shape of the aluminum tubes and the way they did the rear brake.

    I also prefer the NT color scheme with the black bluto and labels, but I'm not shelling out another $300 for it.

    On an unrelated note: how are the labels adhered to the frame? Would it be possible to remove them or is it too much work? I'm sure that at this level they aren't just slapping stickers on it, but I still think rearranging the letters to say MOOT would be funny.
    Unsure exactly how they are held on, they appear to be more than just decals/stickers. The important thing to remember is if you remove the decals you forfeit your 100 year warranty:

    http://www.motobecane.com/warranty/

    "WARRANTY DETAILS
    This warranty is void in its entirety by any physical/cosmetic alteration of the frame, paint, decals..."

    That being said I really wanted to change mine to MOTOBACON.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chupathingee View Post

    That being said I really wanted to change mine to MOTOBACON.
    I read the same thing and may still change it to MOTOBACON.

    Somehow I just have the urge to put that on my frame. I even thought of a white overwrap that would just cover the original logo and have mine on the outside. Now to just find a company that does it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    I read the same thing and may still change it to MOTOBACON.

    Somehow I just have the urge to put that on my frame. I even thought of a white overwrap that would just cover the original logo and have mine on the outside. Now to just find a company that does it.
    If you find one, let me know...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdawg21892 View Post
    So I think I'm going to get a new fatbike, but I can't decide if I want the TI version or Al. I've always wanted a ti bike, and know I would love it if I got it, but I'm a college student and the $500 difference is a lot to me.
    I tend to break frames, and I know the TI would hold up to me better, but I like the shape of the aluminum tubes and the way they did the rear brake.

    I also prefer the NT color scheme with the black bluto and labels, but I'm not shelling out another $300 for it.

    On an unrelated note: how are the labels adhered to the frame? Would it be possible to remove them or is it too much work? I'm sure that at this level they aren't just slapping stickers on it, but I still think rearranging the letters to say MOOT would be funny.

    I say buy it!!! If you would like to take mine for a longer test ride let me know. The only thing I plan on changing is I want a set of 29 plus wheels for the summer and maybe a ridged fork just for comparison purposes. I'm having a hard time dialing in the bluto but that just might be a learning curve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelterock View Post
    Chupathingee,
    Looks sharp with the Framed fork. Did you have to change any headset cups or races to fit the fork?
    Also, with the Bud, you're running a 1X front so what clearance do you have and how do you think that will fit a 2X when it comes to chain rub?
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    Long overdue response. Here's a pic of the clearance in the biggest cog (easiest gear) with single Absolute Black chainring on Race Face Turbine cinch cranks:

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    Ok, I've been drooling over the pics and info! Once I knew the BD had a Ti Fatty, it was only a matter of time.

    Ordered Monday, expected delivery 12/10 Thurs. I've got a Ti Sturgis 21" on it's way. This will be my 3rd BD purchase (ProSL 29er, and wife's 700HT). What are folks doing for pedals and grips?

    Right now I typically use clipless Shimano 545s on my 29er, but may use a used set of Kona Wa Wa platforms I have laying around. For grips, thinking about going Ergon GP1 since I have used them on my 29er and love the comfort.

    Thoughts?

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    I am using egg beater 2 for pedals and just put on pro foam grips. $17.00 from price point. My right hand sometimes gets pain from the Ritchey grips. Best of luck, the bike really is sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankhead10 View Post
    I am using egg beater 2 for pedals and just put on pro foam grips. $17.00 from price point. My right hand sometimes gets pain from the Ritchey grips. Best of luck, the bike really is sweet.

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    Thanks Tank! I'll try out platforms, but I'm so used to clipless for the climbs, we will see how long this setup lasts.

    Can't wait to hit the trails this weekend with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chupathingee View Post
    Long overdue response. Here's a pic of the clearance in the biggest cog (easiest gear) with single Absolute Black chainring on Race Face Turbine cinch cranks:

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    Chupathingee, Thanks, looks like it works.

    How you like the AbsoluteBlack product? Oval or Round?
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    I will try and finally post up some pics of the bike today...

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Dirte View Post
    Ok, I've been drooling over the pics and info! Once I knew the BD had a Ti Fatty, it was only a matter of time.

    What are folks doing for pedals and grips?

    Right now I typically use clipless Shimano 545s on my 29er, but may use a used set of Kona Wa Wa platforms I have laying around. For grips, thinking about going Ergon GP1 since I have used them on my 29er and love the comfort.

    Thoughts?
    I bought Xpedo Sprye Pedals. Size 14 shoe works well. They are not that grippy and choice of shoe 5Ten vs street shoe probably helps with the stickyness. I haven't changed the grips, and won't till I upgrade the bars and the X5 shifter when I get to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelterock View Post
    I bought Xpedo Sprye Pedals. Size 14 shoe works well. They are not that grippy and choice of shoe 5Ten vs street shoe probably helps with the stickyness. I haven't changed the grips, and won't till I upgrade the bars and the X5 shifter when I get to it.
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    I use 45nrth Heiruspecs for pedals and Ergon grips. I find the Ergon grips help keep numbness down. I LOVE my Heiruspecs, but I've been told these are similar but better: Race Face

    I've been told the bearings last longer. Also, the pin design is better - inserted from the rear instead of the front. With Heiruspecs if your pins get worn flat you can't remove them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelterock View Post
    Chupathingee, Thanks, looks like it works.

    How you like the AbsoluteBlack product? Oval or Round?
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    I love it. They look great and the oval does smooth power output - not substantially but I feel like I noticed it right after I switched going up steep hills. Honestly I don't think about it that much, which is a good thing I suppose. I bought one for my single speed mountain bike as well. Have been running them since this summer.

    I bought a set of rollers recently (gonna start spending 30 mins every other day on them before I shower in the AM, not to replace fat biking), and a lot of people have said they help you smooth out your pedaling. I worried for a moment that if I develop a smooth pedaling motion on round rings that the oval rings will throw me off, but I think the fat bike/mountain bike are different enough from road biking that it won't be an issue...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pjm1969 View Post
    I say buy it!!! If you would like to take mine for a longer test ride let me know. The only thing I plan on changing is I want a set of 29 plus wheels for the summer and maybe a ridged fork just for comparison purposes. I'm having a hard time dialing in the bluto but that just might be a learning curve.
    I'd buy one if the spacing was 177 and it had sliders, but 197 is just too wide for a multi season ride, esp if I want to run 29+. To really get the benefit of summer wheels, you need to have a short CS option.

    So does BD not make a 177 rear end? Strange, I though they made at least one, but even the Lurch is 197.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I'd buy one if the spacing was 177 and it had sliders, but 197 is just too wide for a multi season ride, esp if I want to run 29+. To really get the benefit of summer wheels, you need to have a short CS option.

    So does BD not make a 177 rear end? Strange, I though they made at least one, but even the Lurch is 197.
    The boris is a 170 QR rear and there may be a few others. 29 will give you benefits for sure even with 197.
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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Chupathingee again.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Shelterock again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joebikesdirect View Post
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Chupathingee again.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Shelterock again.
    Yeah, Chupathingee and other added value with pics and measurments related to the TI frame and deserves the rep. He's been on the front of the Ti frame upgrades and I value what i've learnt from his posts. Haven't quite figured out the rep thing but I don't think it's missplaced or miss guided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelterock View Post
    Yeah, Chupathingee and other added value with pics and measurments related to the TI frame and deserves the rep. He's been on the front of the Ti frame upgrades and I value what i've learnt from his posts. Haven't quite figured out the rep thing but I don't think it's missplaced or miss guided.
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    Besides the wheelset on BD.com, what other combos are available in 29er that would fit this bike? with a 150/197 I'm just no familiar with what my options in 29er wheels/tires and I want to use my Fatty as a summer and winter all-purpose.

    I may buy the BD wheel set b/c of the price, but from what I've read on here, I'm not excited about the Novatec hubs being used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Dirte View Post
    Besides the wheelset on BD.com, what other combos are available in 29er that would fit this bike? with a 150/197 I'm just no familiar with what my options in 29er wheels/tires and I want to use my Fatty as a summer and winter all-purpose.

    I may buy the BD wheel set b/c of the price, but from what I've read on here, I'm not excited about the Novatec hubs being used.
    The Novatec hubs seem fine to me, time will tell how they are. My only gripe is the caps on the front hub that I can see myself easily losing...

    You'll want 150 TA front and 197 TA rear. Frankly for the price I don't believe the BD set can be beat. A quick google search didn't come up with any pre-built sets. I don't think you'll even find much in the used market since 197 TA hasn't been around for very long.

    You could always build your own. I'm partial to Industry 9 hubs but the hubs will cost you twice as much as the whole BD wheelset...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chupathingee View Post
    The Novatec hubs seem fine to me, time will tell how they are. My only gripe is the caps on the front hub that I can see myself easily losing...
    FYI - many members suggested using a tiny dab of silicone or loctite on the inside of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joebikesdirect View Post
    FYI - many members suggested using a tiny dab of silicone or loctite on the inside of those.
    This is good advice, but whatever you do, be absolutely sure not to get loctite on the axle.
    My friend did that, and getting the through axle (now bound to the spacers) off again without destroying it was one of the most difficult procedures I've ever done on a bicycle.
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    Yes- hence use only a tiny dab and silicone is probably best

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    I finally took the NTB out for a spin despite still being so sick I can barely breathe.

    I love the bike. I removed the Snowshoes and installed my Nates tubeless with Zip tape, SunRingle strip, and 3 oz Stans each. It's down to 33# 12oz with the 424 pedals and the rest stock. I'll get it down a little more with lighter bars, stem, seatpost, saddle, and a carbon fork for winter. I'm also going to ditch the 36T for a 32T which is what I'm used to on the Pugs, although it was only a 11-28.

    I have to say, I love this bike. It is so much less like a truck than my Pugs and more like a mountain bike. The X9 shifters take some getting used to coming from XT's, but maybe they'll be OK after I get used to them.

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    The Nates are much more aggressive than the Snowshoes, handle better at lower pressures, and are only 2mm narrower than the Snowshoes on the same Mulefut's at the same pressure (with the same tube), 4.5" wide my butt!

    Nate:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    I finally took the NTB out for a spin despite still being so sick I can barely breathe.

    I love the bike. I removed the Snowshoes and installed my Nates tubeless with Zip tape, SunRingle strip, and 3 oz Stans each. It's down to 33# 12oz with the 424 pedals and the rest stock. I'll get it down a little more with lighter bars, stem, seatpost, saddle, and a carbon fork for winter. I'm also going to ditch the 36T for a 32T which is what I'm used to on the Pugs, although it was only a 11-28.

    I have to say, I love this bike. It is so much less like a truck than my Pugs and more like a mountain bike. The X9 shifters take some getting used to coming from XT's, but maybe they'll be OK after I get used to them.
    Hope you feel better soon! I'm an XT snob so I just move my XT drivetrain from bike to bike (started on my Moonlander, then my Fatboy, now on my Sturgis Ti). I run with a Framed Alaskan Carbon fork during the winter and would vouch for it so far (~100 miles?) Post #257 of the current thread

    That's really interesting about the Nates being so close to the Snowshoes. I was just about to ask why you went with a much smaller tire. I had heard that the Snowshoes were much smaller than their listed size. I've been considering 4" tires for summer use myself - now that I have the Bluto I don't need the extra "suspension" of 5", and I don't need the float on dry singletrack. I loved the Knards on my Krampus so that's likely what I'll end up with if I go that route.
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    I was just looking into the panaracer Jack n nibble for spring.......tubeless of course. man I love this bike....been riding for a long time. Raced. A couple 24 hour races... but i did a 19 mile trail ride Sunday, it was supposed to be a five hour ride. I did it in 2.40 hours and had a great time. I love love this bike

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    I installed the rear rack and switched from a 36t to 32t while adding a bash guard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    I installed the rear rack and switched from a 36t to 32t while adding a bash guard.

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    could you send me info on the rack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pjm1969 View Post
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    Yep, in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    Yep, in this thread.
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    This is good info - thanks

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    Hello all. I wanted to post some pics of my two bikes (Specialized AWOL and Sturgis Ti) and then I have a few questions...

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    The question is I have been reading the Bluto tuning thread and I wanted to post a few pics of my fork and tell me if it is sagging (un waited)? Is it fully extended? I can't really understand the labels on the fork stanchion tube.

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    The fork is a 100mm bluto, but each fork has 3 labels for 80,100,120mm so find the middle scale for 100mm then saddle up gently next to a wall and with the red band see where she settles on the 100mm scale. Sag is set by air pressure. The fork also has a psi scale for your weight as a starting point. My req is to ride hard with the corresponding psi to your weight and see how far up the orange rubber moves. If you bottom out it will go all the way to the top. Hard ride with one or two bottom outs is perfect. Sag will be set by air pressure. Rebound is a red knob on the bottom of the stansion. Slow rebound if you like by twisting it towards the turtle.
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    Thanks my brother for all that and more reps your way

    However, looking at the pic, could you surmise if my fork is all the way up in the un weighted position?

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    Looks right to me. Do you have a fox shock pump? Mine has a gauge on it that showed, stock, that it was set for 140lb person. I'm 260lbs so I had to pump it up to ~135psi from ~90psi to get the thing to fell solid. If you have the pump it's real easy to inflate or bleed off pressure. I would start at the recommended psi for your weight and then see if you use all the travel it provides. I'm no stunt rider so I'm set up a little soft for my weight and enjoy the travel and smooth ride.
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    Colder weather affects this shock in a few ways but mostly by cold lowering the pressure. So give it a few whacks of the pump in the winter to keep a consistent feel. The grease inside can also break down in really cold weather. The bluto tuning thread goes way over the top with mods and winter lub kits etc. if you really want to dive deep, check it out
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    All is well. I just was asking. Yes I have a shock pump. I just wanted to make sure I was starting at full extension. Been reading about negative air release if air gets trapped down below. Thanks all

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    Got to ride the TI and AL back to back today.





    They are both awesome bikes.
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    Here is what it looks like after a 2 hour ride yesterday. Log overs but mostly tame switchback single track. Less than 3 inches of movement and I had it set for 5 psi less than recommended.. What say you guys? All good?

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    Drop 5 more psi and see how where the indicator lands.
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    Will do. Gracias amigo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    Any difference you noted?
    The TI rides noticeably smoother, but the AL has a much sharper looking frame.
    The AL was a bit too small and the TI too large, so I think I'm in for a 17.5".
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    HHAHA, that bike looks very familiar and that water looks cold

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    Received my 21" Ti night train 11-18-2015 ordered 11-15-2015; Awesome. Been riding a surly Pug 13k miles for three years. Put 125 miles on it new NT and Novatech rear hub pawls failed in free wheel. Contacted novatech direct and they shipped replacement pawls and spring next day by USPS. USPS failed delivery, but finally got them in 6 days later. Went to remove front snow shoe to put in light tube damage damn bead. OMG pissed! Tight fit I have ever seen. Put surely nate 120 tpi off old pug. works great. Went for first ride after pawl failure. Bike falls over while putting bar mitts back on and breaks off damn DR drop out. Thank god it ships with spare. Ensure you lock tight the hex screw on drop out, lost mine after first ride.

    Should be spare screw with spare drop out. This is my fourth BD purchase, I have a Ti 29er and wife has original 15" BD fat bike that was released 2 years ago. I have nothing but great things to say about BD. My original Ti29 frame failed after 15k miles, and they warrantied it, but took 3 months to get, but they upgraded it to new design with tapered head set. Worth the wait!

    I am extremely hard on bikes. Actually cracked the surly frame on drive side rear drop out at 10k miles. Welded back up and modified structural support.

    BD does not have the replacement drops out listed on their web site yet; gone contact them direct to get a new spare.
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    Biffed hard today. Came in hot with two log overs ten feet apart. Big back tire hit first log and shot me right over the bars....ego bruised along with cuts on ankle and legs....bike is fine. Used full travel. All is well.

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    I am absolutely LOVING this bike and the way it rides. I went exploring out in North Conway, NH yesterday and went up stuff I knew I would have trouble with on the Pugs but the bike just performed flawlessly. I have found I have to keep my weight on the front more when climbing steep stuff because it wants to rise but it's a great trade-off for when I need to just blip the front over something.

    I am very happy with the purchase. I did swap to the Nates, which I know from experience sticklike glue, and they did not disappoint, but I had them on the Pugs as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forrestmiller View Post
    Received my 21" Ti night train 11-18-2015 ordered 11-15-2015; Awesome. Been riding a surly Pug 13k miles for three years. Put 125 miles on it new NT and Novatech rear hub pawls failed in free wheel. Contacted novatech direct and they shipped replacement pawls and spring next day by USPS. USPS failed delivery, but finally got them in 6 days later. Went to remove front snow shoe to put in light tube damage damn bead. OMG pissed! Tight fit I have ever seen. Put surely nate 120 tpi off old pug. works great. Went for first ride after pawl failure. Bike falls over while putting bar mitts back on and breaks off damn DR drop out. Thank god it ships with spare. Ensure you lock tight the hex screw on drop out, lost mine after first ride.

    Should be spare screw with spare drop out. This is my fourth BD purchase, I have a Ti 29er and wife has original 15" BD fat bike that was released 2 years ago. I have nothing but great things to say about BD. My original Ti29 frame failed after 15k miles, and they warrantied it, but took 3 months to get, but they upgraded it to new design with tapered head set. Worth the wait!

    I am extremely hard on bikes. Actually cracked the surly frame on drive side rear drop out at 10k miles. Welded back up and modified structural support.

    BD does not have the replacement drops out listed on their web site yet; gone contact them direct to get a new spare.
    I'm not sure you losing a bolt means they should always include spares. Regardless, if doing trail side repair with small parts I usually grab a flat Rock to put them all on or hold them in my mouth. Something to think about.

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    Beautiful shots, I love North Conway!
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    Never mtb in north Conway but did do a couple motorcycle trips through there. Love the town and the view of mount Washington. Great motorcycling....

    Is there an established trail system there?

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    Yes, there are a number of established trail systems there, along with multiple skill levels.
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    Yeah I checked the trails out on singletrack.com. Wow it sounds killer up there..... must work on planning a "family" vacation up there soon. Thanks Dill.

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    Took the NTB out yesterday since the illness is in remission and I can breathe better (helps having a wife who is a Doc) but the trails were very wet (but OK to be on wet, I checked). At the end of the day I decided I need some fenders. I have some Kydex I'll make some out of since it can be heat molded with a heat gun.

    But what I'm posting about is how impressed I am with this bike. The trails I rode were muddy, rocky, slippery, and somewhat steep. I have ridden similar trails on my Pugsley and had it be a 'hang on, crank like a bastard, and expect to fall at some point' ride. With the NTB it was like a regular trail. It's not due to the tires because I took them off the Pug and put them on the NTB, so it must be the geometry and Bluto. The difference is astounding. It's only a few pounds lighter than the Pugs (33.5 vs 35 pounds) so I doubt that plays a factor.

    I know that's not what the naysayers of BikesDirect want to hear but it's the truth. I am very happy with this purchase and do not regret buying it at all, or putting the Pugs up for sale. I'm still not sold on the SRAM shifter, but it's early yet.
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    Been sick since Monday with flu/cold. Fever, sore throat, nasty head cold...going to doc tomorrow...feel better dill

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    Santa brought some bling for the bike

    BOOM

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    I am starting to get an ever increasing sound/click from the rear hub/cassette area when coasting and then starting to pedal again. Mostly happening on twisty tight single track making turns. I hope this is not the dreaded hub claw problem. It is happening more frequent. For instance, I did a 19 mile loop that is very tight/switchback, non technical and I noticed that it happened at least 10 times today. 2 weeks ago when I road the same loop it did it maybe 5 times. One or two times while riding weeks before. I checked everything be hand and nothing is loose. Not sure what else it could be. Any suggestions besides pulling the hub apart? Happy New Year everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankhead10 View Post
    I am starting to get an ever increasing sound/click from the rear hub/cassette area when coasting and then starting to pedal again. Mostly happening on twisty tight single track making turns. I hope this is not the dreaded hub claw problem. It is happening more frequent. For instance, I did a 19 mile loop that is very tight/switchback, non technical and I noticed that it happened at least 10 times today. 2 weeks ago when I road the same loop it did it maybe 5 times. One or two times while riding weeks before. I checked everything be hand and nothing is loose. Not sure what else it could be. Any suggestions besides pulling the hub apart? Happy New Year everyone.
    Make sure it's not your pedals.

    The most notorious clicks or creaks are rear hubs/ bbs, but I find the most common creak or click is my pedal.

    So make sure there's no play in the pedal and really hit any moving parts with some wd-40 or whatever.

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    I'll check but don't think it's that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankhead10 View Post
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    Link to that item?

    Super cool.

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    Amazon: kustomcaps.

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    Also check out the Stem Captain.
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    Can Shelterock or any one else list real quick the exact parts for the sun ringle mule fut rim tubeless kit?

    Is the rim strip 60mm?
    How much tape is needed? I am seeing a roll on the website for $100.00. Can't find the smaller roll for $25.00 any longer. How much is needed for two wheels?

    I know I need two valve stems and I have the Stan's already.

    I have read the other thread but just want to make sure.

    BTW, still loving the bike. Riding every weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankhead10 View Post
    Can Shelterock or any one else list real quick the exact parts for the sun ringle mule fut rim tubeless kit?

    Is the rim strip 60mm?
    How much tape is needed? I am seeing a roll on the website for $100.00. Can't find the smaller roll for $25.00 any longer. How much is needed for two wheels?

    I know I need two valve stems and I have the Stan's already.

    I have read the other thread but just want to make sure.

    BTW, still loving the bike. Riding every weekend.
    Sorry, returned the kit since I switched to different rims. But, AFAIR, the rim strip was designed to completely cover the rim from left beadseat -> center -> right in one continuous section. I think the tape was so wide that it would have even gone a little (~2 mm) up vertically on both sides. Meaning, that the tire bead would be sitting/in-contact with tape, -> resulting in no leaks. The material was thin and beige, similar in color to masking tape.

    There was also a lightweight rimstrip to cover the holes. That piece was nice, very strong and much lighter than what comes on the Mulefuts.

    I am quite happy with the geometry of the Ti Bullet; the slack front angle has allowed me to ride quite a few super steep snow-covered chutes! Great fun. Just wish that the tubing near the bottom-bracket area would have been designed more cleverly to allow more room for really big tires/rims. Enjoy your ride!

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    Mulefut tape is the 78mm. The tape needed is not much and the 25' should do it with plenty to spare. Check Amazon for http://www.amazon.com/RIM-TAPE-SUN-7.../dp/B00SM1OA96 . 60mm wide for rim strip is what you need for the 80mm rim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tankhead10 View Post
    Can Shelterock or any one else list real quick the exact parts for the sun ringle mule fut rim tubeless kit?

    Is the rim strip 60mm?
    How much tape is needed? I am seeing a roll on the website for $100.00. Can't find the smaller roll for $25.00 any longer. How much is needed for two wheels?

    I know I need two valve stems and I have the Stan's already.
    I like the SunRingle rim strip because it's only 30g compared to the stock rim strip that is almost 90g. The correct one for the Mulefut is 60mm wide.

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    I am now using the FattyStripper Bling Strip because I like how it looks black normally but reflects white at night when light hits it. It is heavier, but it's the price to pay for some bling and safety riding at night.

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    Then you use whatever tape you want over it, I have used Gorilla Tape but prefer the Zip Tape since it's tougher, lighter, stretches better, and you get 90' (3x as much) for the same price as the Mulefut rim tape. It also doesn't seem to be affected by the Stans but does leave the glue residue when you remove it. I use one wrap of the Zip Tape and overlap it 4"-6". I find I use the Zip tape for all sorts of things now since it's so handy, but you can't tear it by hand, it must be cut.

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    One thing I do is to not go all the way to the edge. I have found going all the way to the edge makes for a less secure bead seal. Instead, I go to the edge of the bead lip, on the Mulefut's there is a distinct ridge where the tire will sit, which is why they are so secure. Adding material on top of this just makes it slipperier, so the tire is more prone to dis-beading. I simply trim it to the width I want with a razor knife. Don't worry about the manufacturing holes at the edge of the rim, they'll be sealed with the bead of the tire.

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    So this is the resultant product.

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    Then I melt a hole in the tape and insert the stem.

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    Add air to seat it, then the Stans. A few times I have not needed Stans and it's held well but once I did need to add it since it bled down on the bead. I only aired it to 30 psi to seat the bead and probably should have gone a little higher. I add 3 ounces for summer and 5 for winter.

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    That's it, easy as pie. It's honestly that simple and I have run them at 3 psi over some gnarly terrain without an issue or even a hint of a problem or leaking Stans.
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    Wow. Thanks everyone. I think this will be a great resource for others. Happy New Year.

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    ...Just wish that the tubing near the bottom-bracket area would have been designed more cleverly to allow more room for really big tires/rims. Enjoy your ride!
    What do you think is the largest tire it will clear?
    Bud and Lou on 100's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelterock View Post
    Mulefut tape is the 78mm. The tape needed is not much and the 25' should do it with plenty to spare. Check Amazon for http://www.amazon.com/RIM-TAPE-SUN-7.../dp/B00SM1OA96 . 60mm wide for rim strip is what you need for the 80mm rim.
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    I used the same thing, $25 on Universal Cycles website:

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdawg21892 View Post
    What do you think is the largest tire it will clear?
    Bud and Lou on 100's?
    Maybe.

    Clearance pics of Bud and Lou on stock rims here
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    Cool bikes and all, but did I read this thread correctly and this thing is coming in at about 34-35lbs?

    My wife's allow Scott Big Ed is 31-32lbs stock with Jumbo Jims on it......

    I was thinking/hoping the Moto Ti would be lighter.....like 29-30lbs
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    I think frame weights go lighter from steel to Ti to alloy to carbon.
    Meaning most high end alloy frames are lighter than titanium designs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chupathingee View Post
    The Bud&Lou on 80's look similar to my Dillinger 5 on my Sarma 100's, with a true interior rim width of ~93 mm if I remember correctly. There is easily 1/4" of wasted clearance near the bottom bracket / stays. Meaning, in total there's 1/2" wasted which could be used to either reduce chain-stay length or allow for bigger tires. Overall though, it's not any worse than the clearance around the Bluto, also only 1/4" on either side. So, if someone can confirm wether a Bud on a Clownshoe fits through a Bluto, then it's very likely to work in the rear triangle also.

    In these pictures, the chain is shifted to closest tire approach. Tire are tubeless at ~4 psi (guess), resulting in a width of 4.45".
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    Quote Originally Posted by River19 View Post
    Cool bikes and all, but did I read this thread correctly and this thing is coming in at about 34-35lbs?

    My wife's allow Scott Big Ed is 31-32lbs stock with Jumbo Jims on it......

    I was thinking/hoping the Moto Ti would be lighter.....like 29-30lbs
    The Jumbo Jim tires save 600g/21oz by themselves and mine was just over 33 pounds when I set it up tubeless. What size is your wife's bike, mine is a large.

    So if I swapped to the JJ tires, tubeless, I'd be in the 21/32 pound range as well. Swapping out heavier parts would of course make more of a difference. But ttakata73 is correct in that aluminum is lighter than titanium. Frames don't make a huge difference in weights by themselves, however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    The Jumbo Jim tires save 600g/21oz by themselves and mine was just over 33 pounds when I set it up tubeless. What size is your wife's bike, mine is a large.

    So if I swapped to the JJ tires, tubeless, I'd be in the 21/32 pound range as well. Swapping out heavier parts would of course make more of a difference. But ttakata73 is correct in that aluminum is lighter than titanium. Frames don't make a huge difference in weights by themselves, however.
    Fair points . My one ti frame back in the day was lighter than my alloy frames so in my mind ti was always lighter. You are right though on the Fatties the frame is not the first place to look for weight savings....it is all in the wheels tires usually.

    Wife's Ed is a small......the claimed weight (probably based on a medium) is 31.97lbs.....I'm guessing hers with pedals will be in the 32-32.5lbs range......plus we swap to Ergons on everything we ride and they aren't the lightest. We pick her Scott up on Saturday.

    I also don't know what tubes are on the Scott under the Jims.......I have Qs in my Lurch and they made a large felt difference.
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    Pjm1969, can you confirm the Ti sturgis and night train frames and Bluto fork will fit a 29+ wheel set and tires? If so I will be pulling the trigger. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by River19 View Post
    Cool bikes and all, but did I read this thread correctly and this thing is coming in at about 34-35lbs?

    My wife's allow Scott Big Ed is 31-32lbs stock with Jumbo Jims on it......

    I was thinking/hoping the Moto Ti would be lighter.....like 29-30lbs
    Mine was 35 with bluto. That's a gen 1.
    I've changed a lot about it, and it sits at ~27.5#

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfinator View Post
    Mine was 35 with bluto. That's a gen 1.
    I've changed a lot about it, and it sits at ~27.5#
    That is a fantastic weight for a FB.....what tires and drive-train?
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    Quote Originally Posted by River19 View Post
    That is a fantastic weight for a FB.....what tires and drive-train?
    FBN on nextie 65 rims. Carbon bars, post. 1x10 with one up chain ring and 42t GC. Derailleur, brakes, frame/ fork are stock

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfinator View Post
    FBN on nextie 65 rims. Carbon bars, post. 1x10 with one up chain ring and 42t GC. Derailleur, brakes, frame/ fork are stock
    That is what I figured as I didn't think anyone would get there without rims/tires being first on the list and then replacing alloy with carbon bits and I assumed 1x as well. I need the granny for where we are riding in the winter so 1x is out on my Lurch....every other bike I own is 1x9 at this point.
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    I would call BD and ask as I haven't personally tried a set but after reading the specs on BD's web page I can't see why they wouldn't fit.

    They do have a set of 29 wheels that will work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by River19 View Post
    That is what I figured as I didn't think anyone would get there without rims/tires being first on the list and then replacing alloy with carbon bits and I assumed 1x as well. I need the granny for where we are riding in the winter so 1x is out on my Lurch....every other bike I own is 1x9 at this point.
    Depends on how low you need. I have done up to 23% climb on it. I don't have snow or anything like that though.
    30x42 got me there, and I think I could put a 28t on there... But it's an xc machine for me, so I still like having some top end

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    I finally bit the bullet and impulse bought one at like 1am last night.
    It took me a long time because i couldnt decide what size i wanted. I'm 5"7 with short legs, and 16.5" to 17" generally fits me really well. obviously the way this bike is sized, im stuck in between the sizes. I spent a long time comparing the geo charts, the TI is a longer TT than the AL, so I went with a small. on paper the medium seems really stretched out.
    Anyway, I'm super excited about my new bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdawg21892 View Post
    I finally bit the bullet and impulse bought one at like 1am last night.
    It took me a long time because i couldnt decide what size i wanted. I'm 5"7 with short legs, and 16.5" to 17" generally fits me really well. obviously the way this bike is sized, im stuck in between the sizes. I spent a long time comparing the geo charts, the TI is a longer TT than the AL, so I went with a small. on paper the medium seems really stretched out.
    Anyway, I'm super excited about my new bike.
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    Hi DD - you are going to love that bike!
    We are about the same height. I pick all my bikes based upon Effective TT length when choosing between comparable styles / usage bikes. This sizing method has worked for me very well. Whenever I am between sizes, especially on mtb; I go with the smaller size as I can always use a slightly longer stem and or push the saddle back/layback seatpost.

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdawg21892 View Post
    I finally bit the bullet and impulse bought one at like 1am last night.
    It took me a long time because i couldnt decide what size i wanted. I'm 5"7 with short legs, and 16.5" to 17" generally fits me really well. obviously the way this bike is sized, im stuck in between the sizes. I spent a long time comparing the geo charts, the TI is a longer TT than the AL, so I went with a small. on paper the medium seems really stretched out.
    Anyway, I'm super excited about my new bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joebikesdirect View Post
    Hi DD - you are going to love that bike!
    We are about the same height. I pick all my bikes based upon Effective TT length when choosing between comparable styles / usage bikes. This sizing method has worked for me very well. Whenever I am between sizes, especially on mtb; I go with the smaller size as I can always use a slightly longer stem and or push the saddle back/layback seatpost.
    Thanks joe!
    That's exactly what I did, And I'm super excited to get the thing together and go for a ride. I've wanted this bike since you guys first announced it, and I can't believe I actually have one now.
    I have been super busy with school, but should have a chance to assemble it tomorrow night.
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    Welcome. Mine continues to impress me every time I ride it. It is so much different from the Pugsley I used to ride.
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    Well o well. I did the tube less method. All went quite easy. Surprisingly. Holding air. Heard a couple pops when inflating.
    Question::: how are you sure that the bead has entirely set? Didn't pump up more than 12 psi with all the pops I thought I was good.

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    I always go to max pressure to seat the bead. Never had an issue and run around 3 psi on deep snow without a problem.
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    Thanks dill.. I have had a stans set up on my old 26 er blow up on me. Nearly blew my eardrum out. Thought somebody shot me. I'll check in the morning and reassess..Thanks brother.

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    Depends on the rim, but not on a Mulefüt. I've run tires at 10 psi over max without an issue.
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    Just don't exceed the max tire pressure listed on the tire. I know the Specialized Ground Controls were notorious for exploding at over 25 PSI when they first came out. I typically pump up to 20 PSI to seat, and then visually inspect the bead. These Mulefuts are by far the best fat rims I have set up tubeless (I've done about 4 different Surly non-tubeless rims as well as the Specialized Fat Boy rims).
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    Some pictures of my stomp a few weeks back. There's an abandoned car on one of our local routes. Also, this is prior to some turd stealing my bike bags off my bike while I was at work...

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    aaaaand here are some pictures from a week ago when we had a fat bike enduro race. It got a bit muddy

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    Chupa how much quicker is the steering with o out the shock. Was thinking if making my shock an 80 mm instead of 100mm? Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankhead10 View Post
    Chupa how much quicker is the steering with o out the shock. Was thinking if making my shock an 80 mm instead of 100mm? Thoughts?

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    Not sure I noticed any quicker steering. I swapped because I don't need the shock in the winter based on how I ride, and the carbon fork is less maintenance, lighter, and easier to clean. Once the snow melts I'll throw the Bluto back on for singletrack since this is essentially my geared mountain bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jekyll2003 View Post
    Pjm1969, can you confirm the Ti sturgis and night train frames and Bluto fork will fit a 29+ wheel set and tires? If so I will be pulling the trigger. Thanks
    Has anyone done this yet? Thinking of jumping in one of these as I like ti and this deal is pretty amazing. Can these be run as 29er +
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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_tires_are_fun View Post
    Has anyone done this yet? Thinking of jumping in one of these as I like ti and this deal is pretty amazing. Can these be run as 29er +
    Yes- the Motobecane Titanium Fatbikes Sturgis and NightTrain will fit most 29x3 tires BUT not all sizes on all rim widths may fit. Check frame widths and front der clearance against widths of tire/rim combos. Going wider might mean one has to use a 1x drivtrain for clearance. As always, YMMV

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    Hi, I got a Night Train Ti Fat bike recently. I'm wondering if I ever want to upgrade the FD, what type of FD do I get? I see there's a spacer so something to cover the wide Q factor. Can I use something like SRAM X0 2x10sp High Clamp Front Mech | Chain Reaction Cycles and it will attach to the spacer (then I don't need the clamp)? Do I need to buy a Fat Bike specific FD?
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    So I went for a ride this morning and tried to take a bike lean picture at the top of a big climb. Right before I could snap the picture a slight gust of wind came through and the bike fell over in slow motion and landed drive side down in the grass, cleaving off the derailleur like the hanger was made of cheese.




    Anyway, does anybody have a link to a new one? I know the motobecane hangers are know to be fragile but this is ridiculous.
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    I should add that apart from the hanger issue, I absolutely love the bike.

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    Hell of a jump, dawg. Even though they're baggy shorts, I'm surprised that you can fit your balls into them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdawg21892 View Post
    So I went for a ride this morning and tried to take a bike lean picture at the top of a big climb. Right before I could snap the picture a slight gust of wind came through and the bike fell over in slow motion and landed drive side down in the grass, cleaving off the derailleur like the hanger was made of cheese.




    Anyway, does anybody have a link to a new one? I know the motobecane hangers are know to be fragile but this is ridiculous.
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    Thanks! Are we #32? Nothing else really looks like it, but I would hate to order the wrong one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdawg21892 View Post
    Thanks! Are we #32? Nothing else really looks like it, but I would hate to order the wrong one.
    Couldn't tell ya. I would email BD. They are really quick to respond.

    It does look like #32 though.
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    I received my Ti Sturgis a few weeks ago. Really enjoying the bike. More to come.


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    Still loving it.
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    Well, my hub let go this weekend, resulting in a 5 mile hike a bike home. I understand that this is a known problem with this hub, but I wish it gave some more warning. I was climbing a hill and it just gave a really loud 'pop' and lost all engagement.

    When I got home I cracked it open and found this:




    Looks like The pawls shattered and took the drive ring with them.
    I was surprised, because the bike really only has 150 miles on it (school has prevented me from riding it as much as I would like).
    I emailed bikes direct, they have always been very responsive and willing to work with me and make things right. Will report back when I hear from them.

    Conveniently enough, bike hub store's fat hub is out of stock. Otherwise I may have tried to negotiate a refund for the value of the hub and put it towards an upgrade.
    I have the 170mm version and can't say enough good things about it, and I would use this opportunity to upgrade this bike to the 197 version in a heartbeat if it were available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw2jr View Post
    Couldn't tell ya. I would email BD. They are really quick to respond.

    It does look like #32 though.
    I ordered some spares, forgot to confirm that we are in fact hanger #32.

    I may try to machine something myself though. The hanger price to derailleur price ratio is way off for me. I understand that the hanger is supposed to break before the derailleur is damaged, but when the derailleur is a $50 x7 and the hangers are $23 a pop and break if you look at them funny, it stops making sense.
    I have already spent more on hangers than I would have on a new derailleur, and I'm yet to do anything to the bike that would actually break the derailleur / frame if the hanger were not an intentional weak point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
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    Motobecanes Titanium FatBike final specs and release date.

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    Still loving it?
    Haha! Ok I guess I deserve that.

    But yeah, I am.
    I have blown up i9's too, it doesn't make me love the bike they were on any less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdawg21892 View Post
    Haha! Ok I guess I deserve that.

    But yeah, I am.
    I have blown up i9's too, it doesn't make me love the bike they were on any less.
    Sorry about that, but I just couldn't resist. Keep riding!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    Yep, in this thread.
    Howdy fellers:

    I wanted a fatbike because of the Cogburn CB4 to get into backcountry locations with a bow, rifle, fishing rod, etc but for about the same money ordered a Night Train Bullet Ti last September and got WAY more bike for the money in my opinion. I'm trying to put the same rack that is on the Cogburn onto my Night Train Bullet Ti. I like the looks of the rack that @Dilligaff put on his bike but am unsure that the Cogburn gear carrier is compatible with it. According to the LBS the gear carrier is compatible with the Salsa Alternator and Salsa Wanderlust (my understanding is Cogburn is owned by QBP as well). I think I'm fine with either one of those racks, my question is how do I measure or make sure that the rack I order will fit my bike?

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    Based on how it attaches, it looks like it would mount to pretty much any rack out there that uses the standard mounting points.
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    Checking in... Love my bike. Lots of salty spray from beach riding and other than a few spots on rotors and chains, bike is rockin' it good! Holding up fine to my 255lbs 6'7" frame and the Dog and I are happy.
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    I have been wanting to pull the trigger on this bike for quite some time. I think this thread did the final push towards buying it. You all seem very happy with it!

    Just a couple of questions. I am 5 11.5 and my inseam is 33.5 inches, would you guys recommend a large frame. I use large on all my bikes but I think I heard this frame ran a little bit larger than usual.

    How feasible is it to get this bike to be sub 30 lbs, keeping it 2x and with the bluto?

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    Well, I pulled the trigger shortly after that last post. I have been riding my night train ti for about 3 weeks now and all I can say is that I am HOOKED!!! I am very happy with the bike, it has exceeded my expectations on many aspects.


    +The frame seems very nicely made. The welds look clean and nice (i am no welding expert) and the tube bends are quite pretty.
    + Bike comes very well spec’d for the most part. You get a lot for what you pay. The crankset, brakes (guides rs), rims, bluto, shifters, derailleurs, chain, wtb seat (my butt happens to like wtb very much) are mid high and high tier components.
    + Tires have an insane amount of grip and were easily converted to tubeless
    + Was nicely packed and the gears perfectly adjusted right out of the box. This speaks well for BD.
    + "Free" goodies! Extra derailleur hanger and rim strip, I wasnt expecting that.

    Cons
    - The Bike is a bit heavier than I expected. It sits at 35.6 pounds after converting to tubeless. (I used clear gorilla tape and 4 oz of stans for this). Getting it sub 30 will be harder than I thought.
    - Cassette is an anchor at 530 grams. I will change to an xt 11-40 cassette when it wears out. I am even considering a regular 10 speed 11-36 xt cassette.
    - Tires are on the heavy end of the spectrum at 1750 grams. I will probably change the rear to something lighter and faster rolling in the future but will keep these for the front. I really like their grip.
    -Seat post, stem and handle bar seem a bit heavy but I havent weighed them.
    -Spokes are the cheapest plain type. I will change them to sapim lasers and alu nipples when I change the rims to dt br710.

    I can drop about 2100 grams on wheels and tires alone (and cassette) for about $600. I plan to do that going forward, one step at the time. So far, the only upgrade I have done has been going tubeless. Thats 400 grams down with less than $20 (many to go).

    Now regarding the ride, WOW! These past weeks have been a blast. I have not touched the other bikes. It does take more effort climbing but not much more than it would seem and it more than pays off in fun and climbing traction on the sketchy stuff. Traction is insane. I can rail corners with so much speed that I sometimes think the tires are going to roll of the rim! I plan on building some B+ wheels when the fat honeymoon is over so I can use on those rides with too many fire road climbs.

    I will post some pictures as soon as I take some good ones.

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    A few pics

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