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    Quote Originally Posted by Womby View Post
    I know it was asked, but I don't think ever answered...what is the a2c length of the stock fork on the non-bullet Sturgis/Nighttrain?
    I don't know the length but I know they stated that adding a bluto would cause the standover to rise by 1". I'm pretty sure bullets shipped with a 120m bluto. Might be easier to find info on the bluto than Sturgis

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    Sorry if I was unclear, I'm looking to find out what the A2C is on the stock alloy fork (non-Bluto) because it is only with that length that you get the geometry advertised for BB height, HT angle, etc. I've got a NT Bullet with 120mm travel and, while I'm liking it, I'd actually like to try to get the fork length adjusted to try it with the geometry matched for the rigid geometry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Womby View Post
    Sorry if I was unclear, I'm looking to find out what the A2C is on the stock alloy fork (non-Bluto) because it is only with that length that you get the geometry advertised for BB height, HT angle, etc. I've got a NT Bullet with 120mm travel and, while I'm liking it, I'd actually like to try to get the fork length adjusted to try it with the geometry matched for the rigid geometry.
    Maybe set the bluto so standover 1" higher than advertised specs and measure A/C. Then reduce bluto height so it drops standover by 1" and measure new bluto A/C. Bikedirect sells a carbon fork that has a 480mm A/C. Or their cr-mo fork they sell says it's 455 A/C. But that's different than the stock sturgis fork as the sturgis had thru axles and this one has QR

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    Does anyone out there know what size crown race I need for the stock rigid fork on a Sturgis?

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    Happy 4 year anniversary to original generation of Sturgis and Night Train folks

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    just picked up an 2018 Night Train Express (GX 1x11 version) which has been lowered to $1400 down from $1500 originally. Out of the box the 17.5 frame weighs about 33 lbs stock with no reflectors and no pedals (measured with bathroom scale method). I was hoping for sub 30 but hopefully it won't be that hard to get it under 30 without spending too much. I already have some lighter tires coming in which should help, plus I've read the stock tubes and rim strip are heavy, so we'll see how much we can lose just from that.

    Looking at the weights for the Maxxis Minions, they are 1600g each.. that's over 7 pounds of rubber on the bike. If I were to swap to Kenda Juggernauts I would definitely be sub 30, though I've read they have really bad rolling resistance. Going tubeless could possibly get into the 28 range, which is fast approaching the advertised weight on the Titanium model at 26.3 for tubeless with Juggernauts

    edit: I got out a better scale and did some measurements after swapping some tires.. got it down to 13.6 kg which is 29.98.. sub 30! that's with some cheap pedals on there... definitely sub 30 without the pedals. And just with a tire and tube swap. Swapped out the stock Minions for some 120tpi Speedsters in 26x3.5. Speedsters measure about 3.9 wide on the 80mm rims

    The actual weight of the Minions was 1700g and the actual weight of the speedsters is 1050g.. I swapped in some 26x2.3 tubes I had which were about a pound lighter (each wheel!) than the stock tubes too. It feels so much better with at least two pounds off each wheel. I didn't even test ride the stock set up but just moving the bike around it felt like there was lead in the wheels. If I went tubeless I think I could lose another half pound or so. That's pretty good without even swapping any components or wheels or anything. I'm pretty happy with the purchase
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    Wow, 4 years already? Mine arrived 11/20/14 (with a bent der hanger). :-)

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    I've seen a lot of great shots of the matte gray, anybody have a good picture of the
    midnight purple?

    Also i see a lot of mention of black friday on bikesdirect.com, but i guess its just certain bikes? Cant see them actually discounting most bikes any further. I've been looking at the nighttrain express for over a year, really debating finally pulling the trigger

    One more question, does BD not list the stack height of their bikes in the geo charts?
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    My Night Trail Ti arrived 3 years ago now and it still puts a smile on my face every time I ride it. I've made some modifications but did not have to, I just made it more 'mine'. I did upgrade the bottom bracket which cured the creaking but I have not touched the Bluto despite lots of winter riding. Other additions are dropper (non-winter), 100mm tubeless wheels, and 22/32 x 11-42.

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    What do you call those things that go over the hand grips (which I assume are to keep your hands warm)? I think I need to get something like that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual_Rider View Post
    What do you call those things that go over the hand grips (which I assume are to keep your hands warm)? I think I need to get something like that...
    Pogies is what I hear them called. I'm getting a pair myself, the 45NRTH brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gendy View Post
    Also i see a lot of mention of black friday on bikesdirect.com, but i guess its just certain bikes? Cant see them actually discounting most bikes any further. I've been looking at the nighttrain express for over a year, really debating finally pulling the trigger
    The GX 1x11 Night Train Express is $100 less than it used to be, but they don't usually lower prices significantly until they are trying to close out on a model.

    I'm super happy with my night train express... here's some pics of the blue/purple one btw https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/2105836/

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    Finally got in my first ride on snow yesterday with the Night Train Bullet I picked up off Craigslist this Sept. Snow wasn't deep but not well packed (was an open field) and had some patches of rough ice. It was as fun as I hoped it would be. I did a lot of smiling. Had to stop after a half hour as I was drenched--dialing in my layers is clearly something I'm going to have to work on.

    Also need to figure out tire pressure (big surprise there). I'm 165# and had 5psi front 4psi rear while running the original tock Vee Snowshoe 4.5s. That was fine where the snow was packed by walkers or just only 1-2" deep. But when I got into deeper drift areas there was no float. So I'm guessing I need to go even lower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toadmeister View Post
    Pogies is what I hear them called. I'm getting a pair myself, the 45NRTH brand.
    I just picked up a set and they are much better than the Bar Mitts I used previously. I had to downgrade my gloves at 6°F because the ones I wore were too hot.

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    I think I read in this thread or somewhere that someone switched the BB spindle to a shorter one on the night train? it seems like there probably would be clearance and also get the chainring in the center of the cassette more (though I'm not having chainline issues).. anybody do this? what size spindle did you use?

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    170mm if you have the Race Face Turbine cranks. Works great for me but cant guaranty it if you have large feet or ride with your heels angled in. No clearance issues with Minion or Jumbo Jim 4.8s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robc in wi View Post
    170mm if you have the Race Face Turbine cranks. Works great for me but cant guaranty it if you have large feet or ride with your heels angled in. No clearance issues with Minion or Jumbo Jim 4.8s.
    Looking on Raceface's website, I see a 68/73 spindle kit, a 100mm spindle kit and a 190 spindle kit, but no 170mm kit? Their website says the 100mm spindle should be compatible with 197 rear spacing..

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    Universalcycles.com has them. Item # 67411-159660. Raceface cinch 169.5 mm spindle kit. This the one i installed.

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    My 2015 Moto Sturgis Bullet still takes me on some epic rides....


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    Quote Originally Posted by robc in wi View Post
    Universalcycles.com has them. Item # 67411-159660. Raceface cinch 169.5 mm spindle kit. This the one i installed.
    thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleas View Post
    Further review after the last ride indicates that my NDS crank bearing has been contaminated. While the "seals" are pretty weak, I'm going to fess up and say that it's probably my own fault that I didn't pack the "seals" with grease to keep water-borne grit from getting in. Riding in the frozen conditions it was of no concern, but in my haste to ride I forgot to get back to it. My advice is to catch it early. It was literally overnight that the bearing nearly seized up. I'm good at reviving old, abused parts, though, so I got it smoothed out again.
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    BTW - after this ride, I washed the bike - gently - and still poured out about a 1/4 cup of clean water from the NDS chainstay and bottom bracket. So the frame is not sealed very tight. I may have to address that with the clear silicone (which also addresses cable rub if applied neatly).


    No. Mine have 17mm wrench flats on both retainers. I can tighten them just fine, but there is no lock nut so the adjustment is maintained by the thru-axle compression (which is not ideal in my book). If I remove the NDS retainer, the whole axle and freehub come out the other side, easy peasy.

    I'm still really liking the bike for its intended purpose. I will probably never put <4" tire on it.

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    Wayyyy back in this thread, ~3 mos. after I got my Sturgis, I noticed the bottom bracket was binding a little. I took it apart and removed the dust covers from the bearings and found rust. I cleaned them, packed them with grease, wiped the inside of the bottom bracket with grease, re-assembled with more grease, and now it is running very well. And it has been ridden completely submerged in creeks and lakes with sand and sediment stirring in the water. I've ridden on slushy, salty roads, muddy farm tracks, and sandy beaches. The grease keeps the junk out.
    BTW - my frame holds probably 8 oz. of water that needs to be drained after really wet rides.

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    OK, it is once again bottom bracket maintenance time.

    Sometime in the interim, I did pop the seals and add a little Tenacious Oil to the BB bearings, but that was being pretty lazy, so I finally did a complete breakdown, clean, and re-lube this past weekend. Mind you, these bearings are still from 2015. One of the bearings was just about locked up after the World Fatbike Day Ride in the rain last week, so it was time.
    They are nearly like new again.
    But if your bearings are unrecoverable, this is the number:
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    "6805RS"

    Should be good for several more years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robc in wi View Post
    170mm if you have the Race Face Turbine cranks. Works great for me but cant guaranty it if you have large feet or ride with your heels angled in. No clearance issues with Minion or Jumbo Jim 4.8s.
    I'm using a RF Turbine Cinch crank arms (for 170mm rear spacing) and Wolftooth direct mount 28T chainring on my Sturgis. So far, the only issue I have is a little chain rub on my Jumbo Jim 4.8 tire when I shift to the lowest 42T cog on my 10spd cassette.
    I'm gonna replace my Jumbo Jim 4.8 later (it's 3 years old already) and I'll try to flip the chainring this time to get rid of the chain to tire rubbing.

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    For those of you who have purchased the 29er wheelset from BikesDirect, have you been satisfied overall with the purchase?

    Considering a set for my Diamondback ElOso, as a way to lighten the bike up for commuting purposes without spending BIG dollars on different wheelset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frantik! View Post
    just picked up an 2018 Night Train Express (GX 1x11 version) which has been lowered to $1400 down from $1500 originally. Out of the box the 17.5 frame weighs about 33 lbs stock with no reflectors and no pedals (measured with bathroom scale method). I was hoping for sub 30 but hopefully it won't be that hard to get it under 30 without spending too much. I already have some lighter tires coming in which should help, plus I've read the stock tubes and rim strip are heavy, so we'll see how much we can lose just from that.

    Looking at the weights for the Maxxis Minions, they are 1600g each.. that's over 7 pounds of rubber on the bike. If I were to swap to Kenda Juggernauts I would definitely be sub 30, though I've read they have really bad rolling resistance. Going tubeless could possibly get into the 28 range, which is fast approaching the advertised weight on the Titanium model at 26.3 for tubeless with Juggernauts

    edit: I got out a better scale and did some measurements after swapping some tires.. got it down to 13.6 kg which is 29.98.. sub 30! that's with some cheap pedals on there... definitely sub 30 without the pedals. And just with a tire and tube swap. Swapped out the stock Minions for some 120tpi Speedsters in 26x3.5. Speedsters measure about 3.9 wide on the 80mm rims

    The actual weight of the Minions was 1700g and the actual weight of the speedsters is 1050g.. I swapped in some 26x2.3 tubes I had which were about a pound lighter (each wheel!) than the stock tubes too. It feels so much better with at least two pounds off each wheel. I didn't even test ride the stock set up but just moving the bike around it felt like there was lead in the wheels. If I went tubeless I think I could lose another half pound or so. That's pretty good without even swapping any components or wheels or anything. I'm pretty happy with the purchase
    I just purchased the same exact bike, down to frame size and color! It certainly seemed like the best deal with the extra $100 off.

    The bike was 10x nicer than I was expecting.

    That's quite exciting to hear how easily you can get it under 30lbs.

    I must ask- my front through axle on the thread size of the hub will not go all of the way through.

    Has anyone else had this issue on these hubs? Seems like one side of the front hub (non disc side) has too small of an insert on it for the through axle.


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    The non disc side measured 14.85mm for some reason. I just bored it out to 15mm with my carbide quick and it's good to go.


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    It's crazy how much the wheels/tires weigh.

    The setup that comes on the NT Express:

    Tubes: 1200g
    Tires: 3300g
    Rims: 1660g
    Front hub: 219g
    Rear hub: 421g
    64 spokes/nipples: 382g

    7182g (15.8lbs)

    Just going to a lighter tire (Jumbo Jim @2380g/pr) and running tubeless would save almost 5lbs (2120g).

    Doing a DT Swiss BR2250 wheelset (2228g/set), converting to tubeless, and switching to "Jumbo Jims" (2380g/pr) would bring all of that down to 4608g (~10.1lbs).

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    ^ thanks for the detailled breakdown of the wheels/tires/tubes. I bought some Blizzerk 70 rims which should be ~300g total lighter than the Mulefuts. Combined with lighter hubs and double butted spokes there should be at least a pound of savings off the wheelset

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    My deraileur hanger made the ultimate sacrifice the other day and I need to order a new one. Can someone kindly tell me which # one it is I need to order from Bikes Direct?

    Thanks!

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    #32 for my 16 Nightrain Stufis Ti

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motofatti View Post
    #32 for my 16 Nightrain Stufis Ti
    And the non Ti frame hanger is #28 at BD. Or go here for a machined aluminum version: https://derailleurhanger.com/product...ur-hanger-416/

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    Thinking ahead to having holiday money to spend on summer wheels--those of you using this in the summer season too, what wheelsize are you running (and what terrain)? 26"x4"? 29"x3"? Anyone using 27.5 Fat wheels on their Sturgis or NT?

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    Can someone tell me the difference between the Sturgis and NIghtTrain? I am getting ready to pull the trigger on either the $1999 NightTrain Biullet or more likely the $1599 Sturgis.

    I know the components are different of course but is their a difference in the frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aroundoz View Post
    Can someone tell me the difference between the Sturgis and NIghtTrain? I am getting ready to pull the trigger on either the $1999 NightTrain Biullet or more likely the $1599 Sturgis.

    I know the components are different of course but is their a difference in the frame?

    AFAIK the frame is exactly the same if you're comparing Al to Al.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AWDBOB View Post
    AFAIK the frame is exactly the same if you're comparing Al to Al.
    Thanks for the response. Just wondering what makes one a Sturgis and the other a NightTrain then but won't worry about it.

    The $400 difference for the NightTrain doesn't seem to gain that much except for the XT Brakes. I have a set of SLXs in reserve and will put those on the $1599 Sturgis if the Tektros don't perform but the reviews for them have been surprisingly good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aroundoz View Post
    Thanks for the response. Just wondering what makes one a Sturgis and the other a NightTrain then but won't worry about it.


    The $400 difference for the NightTrain doesn't seem to gain that much except for the XT Brakes. I have a set of SLXs in reserve and will put those on the $1599 Sturgis if the Tektros don't perform but the reviews for them have been surprisingly good.


    Peep this one (the one I just ended up with): http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...nt-express.htm

    It's $100 off and seemed like the best balance, and comes with the carbon fork (raceface crank/BB, Guide RS brakes, Sram GX 11sp, etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AWDBOB View Post
    Peep this one (the one I just ended up with): http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...nt-express.htm

    It's $100 off and seemed like the best balance, and comes with the carbon fork (raceface crank/BB, Guide RS brakes, Sram GX 11sp, etc)
    Thanks for that. Another one to consider.

    Originally I was going to go with a rigid fork but after some searching, people were recommending front suspension. But it wouldn't take much to talk me into a rigid fork since I mostly will be doing rails to trails anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aroundoz View Post
    Can someone tell me the difference between the Sturgis and NIghtTrain? I am getting ready to pull the trigger on either the $1999 NightTrain Biullet or more likely the $1599 Sturgis.

    I know the components are different of course but is their a difference in the frame?
    Absolutely no difference in frame. It looks like there are various pairs of Sturgis and Night train models on the BD site, with the Sturgis being the lower specd version of a similar Night Train model.. ie Sturgis Bullet and Night Train Bullet, the Night Train is going to be the higher end.

    The Night Train Express for $1400 is definitely a good deal, I'm happy with the pick up and if you're just riding rail trails you probably don't need the extra weight of the suspension fork.
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    my head tube and head badge have gotten some significant scratches from the front brake line rubbing against it, and I've barely put on 50 miles or so. I was thinking of maybe running the line under the fork but it just seems like then the fork would get scratched up instead of the frame? I'm gonna put on a frame protection sticker but it seems like the routing for this could be improved

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    My Novatec rear hub failed recently, ring gear in multiple pieces which seems to be the common problem. I am a clydesdale (260lbs). I had similar hubs on a santa cruz hardtail and they failed within 3 months. The novatec hubs are unfortunately total garbage if you are heavy.

    Anyhow, I got around to replacing the novatec hub with a dt swiss big ride hub. I have the sun ringle mulefut rims (ERD 551). Just some advice if anyone is planning to swap out hubs: when looking for new spokes make sure you use a spoke calculator that takes into account the distance between the left and right spoke holes (on most rims the spoke holes run along the center of the rim, but fat bikes they are off to either side). The first calculator I used didn't do this and my first set of spokes were 3mm too long. Good learning experience. Once I got the right spokes it laced up no problem. Just for reference, with the big ride hub with 6 bolt disc mount and the sun ringle mulefut rim (ERD 551), the spokes lengths were 268 on the left, 267 on the right. But you should measure you own rim/hubs to make sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin70 View Post
    The first calculator I used didn't do this and my first set of spokes were 3mm too long. ... Just for reference, with the big ride hub with 6 bolt disc mount and the sun ringle mulefut rim (ERD 551), the spokes lengths were 268 on the left, 267 on the right. But you should measure you own rim/hubs to make sure.
    Too long is better than too short! I did this once and my LBS trimmed them down for me for free.

    I thought 197 hubs had symmetrical spokes, surprised there is a slight difference in spoke lengths

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    Cool-blue Rhythm Then & Now

    2015 Sturgis Bullet Ti / Large

    Came in at 34-35lbs stock
    Currently sub ~26lbs

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    sweet..ti and carbon, two great tastes that taste great together! I like my aluminum one but I think eventually I need to upgrade to Ti

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    has anyone run an internally routed dropper on a aluminum night train/sturgis? I was thinking of using the routing in the frame for the front derailleur cable and then running it past the bb and up the seat tube.. is this even possible? I haven't checked if the tubes are open

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    so the no name riser bar weighs almost a pound.. 377g! Switch that out for something lighter for some massive weight loss. I went with a china carbon bar and dropped over half a pound. Currently running about 28.8 lbs!

    Next I want to switch out the seat post and saddle, and eventually the entire wheelset for something lighter with an XD driver. The SRAM XD cassettes are way lighter than the shimano-compatible NX one that comes on the Night train (both the 11 and 12 speed models)

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    Quote Originally Posted by frantik! View Post
    has anyone run an internally routed dropper on a aluminum night train/sturgis? I was thinking of using the routing in the frame for the front derailleur cable and then running it past the bb and up the seat tube.. is this even possible? I haven't checked if the tubes are open
    I had the same question a little while ago. When I took things apart it did not appear as if there was room for a cable to run by the bottom bracket inside the frame. I ended up running the housing into the top of the down tube and coming out of the bottom bracket area with a single zip tie on the seat tube on the way up to the saddle to keep the housing away from the rear tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frantik! View Post
    so the no name riser bar weighs almost a pound.. 377g! Switch that out for something lighter for some massive weight loss. I went with a china carbon bar and dropped over half a pound. Currently running about 28.8 lbs!

    Next I want to switch out the seat post and saddle, and eventually the entire wheelset for something lighter with an XD driver. The SRAM XD cassettes are way lighter than the shimano-compatible NX one that comes on the Night train (both the 11 and 12 speed models)
    Care to share the bars you ended up with? I've been looking but haven't been able to settle on one.

    Also, on prowheelbuilder.com I was able to build an awesome fatbike wheelset for just over $1K that beats out the BR2250 in strength and weight for almost the same price.

    HED BAD Al
    DTSwiss Big Ride Front Centerlock
    I9 Torch Rear
    Al XD Freehub
    Laser Jbends DB

    1998g, $1123

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    Quote Originally Posted by AWDBOB View Post
    Care to share the bars you ended up with? I've been looking but haven't been able to settle on one.
    I got these.. i haven't ridden them yet but they look nice and the color matches the matte grey of the night train express 11 speed model. The bend is very similar, and they weigh over half a pound less than the stock bars

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-US-MTB-...s/112982521013

    and idk if i will get my wheelset below 2000g but it should be well below $1000.. got some Alex 70 rims for a little over $50 each, havent decided which hubs to use but probably dt swiss 350s and some double butted spokes. Should hopefully drop well over a pound with a wheel and cassette change

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    Quote Originally Posted by gluestick View Post
    I had the same question a little while ago. When I took things apart it did not appear as if there was room for a cable to run by the bottom bracket inside the frame. I ended up running the housing into the top of the down tube and coming out of the bottom bracket area with a single zip tie on the seat tube on the way up to the saddle to keep the housing away from the rear tire.
    ah, bummer.. I hate the way externally routed droppers look. There's already cable guides along the top tube which I assume were for a dropper

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    Quote Originally Posted by frantik! View Post
    ah, bummer.. I hate the way externally routed droppers look. There's already cable guides along the top tube which I assume were for a dropper
    I barely notice it.

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    I notice it! You've got the saddle low too so it's less obvious but when the saddle is up high and there's a long cable running to it, i don't like it. All the exposed cables/housing on the Ti model running down the top tube is actually one thing i like a lot about the aluminum frame

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    Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread-17d90105-8569-4cfc-ad47-4efa4c11d8e8.jpgMaybe you have a different dropper, my cable doesn’t move. My dropper is a KS Lev.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    Maybe you have a different dropper, my cable doesn’t move. My dropper is a KS Lev.
    ah ok, that's not too bad. I've seen droppers where the cable runs all the way to where the saddle clamps, that looks really bad with a big loop of cable flapping around

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    I have not seen those but it sounds horrible. I wouldn’t run a dropper that did that. I’ve been happy with the KS Lev, recommended to me by a friend at the LBS who has forgotten more about bikes than I’ll ever know. He said you can spend more but not get more for the money.
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    I recently installed the PNW cascade and the cable doesn't move with the saddle.
    2018 Motobecane Sturgis NX
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    Got bored and made this. I'll continue to update as I upgrade parts.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

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    I made the switch from Wrathchilds to Johnny5’s for winter and WOW are they massive. They are the largest tire that will fit the frame, no question. They’re even larger than my Bud/FBR combo I use for summer. So far they’re awesome and I am very impressed.

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    Your fitting a 5" inside your Bluto? Also, what rim are you running? And lastly, how much room inside your chainstays do you have? I've been thinking about getting SnowshoeXLs... But this is making me think XXLs...

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    The snowshoe XXL won’t fit...not even close. I couldn’t even insert the skewer.

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    The J5’s measure 4.85” on my 100mm Turnagain tubeless rims, and there is maybe 4mm on either side and the chain.

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    Here is the clearance in the Bluto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AWDBOB View Post
    Got bored and made this. I'll continue to update as I upgrade parts.

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    awesome! thanks.. are those actual weights or manufacturer claimed weights? wondering about that seat post cause that's next on my list

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    I have not seen those but it sounds horrible. I wouldn’t run a dropper that did that. I’ve been happy with the KS Lev, recommended to me by a friend at the LBS who has forgotten more about bikes than I’ll ever know. He said you can spend more but not get more for the money.
    Hey there Dilli,
    Could you provide the exact model and length KS Lev dropper that you have? Thanks, Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by frantik! View Post
    Too long is better than too short! I did this once and my LBS trimmed them down for me for free.

    I thought 197 hubs had symmetrical spokes, surprised there is a slight difference in spoke lengths
    But not every shop has the tools to do this, so it really is best to get it right the first time. There are only 2 shops in Boulder, CO (maybe 3) that have a tool to trim/thread spokes, and we have 24 shops last I checked. Its also a fine skill to use both the Phil and the Morizumi tool, and with the cost of the 'zumi tool, its no wonder that most shops don't have it, not to mention that it really does perform best if cleaned after every 100 spokes cut/thread.
    Deflated - buy parts to sell parts to buy more parts.. bikes are my drug of choice

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    Quote Originally Posted by frantik! View Post
    awesome! thanks.. are those actual weights or manufacturer claimed weights? wondering about that seat post cause that's next on my list
    A mix of claimed and actual weights. As I upgrade stuff I've been weighing it, also did a lot of research in regards to finding folks who actually weighed stuff.

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