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    No...non Bluto in Gloss Black

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    Ordered 2 weeks ago today.

    Night Train. Black. 17.5

    Friday to NJ.

    I hope everyone gets their bike because I'm excited as hell. I'm sure it'll be a matter of time for everyone to get thier UPS #s updated

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    So cool that there are delivery dates coming out.

    Unfortunately, mine is not updated yet. Hoping it isn't too long for CA delivery.

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    Mine is a Sturgis Bullet Gun Metal in XL (21"). First order placed on 8/7 then changed on 8/15 from L to XL. Yeah my pile of parts will get smaller! I have 3 big storage bins of parts waiting on fat bikes to put them on...
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    Re: Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    I got the email but my ups tracking number still shows as voided. I ordered matte black NT Bullet on July 20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Negotiator50 View Post
    I got the email but my ups tracking number still shows as voided. I ordered matte black NT Bullet on July 20.
    I ordered on July 22 and did not get an email today but BD called me asking if I still wanted to keep my Matte Silver that I ordered (changed sizes) or wait on a Matte Black to possibly show up. I opted to keep the Silver and BD told me it would ship out today.

    I am hoping that the tracking # activatives soon. If not, I'll call BD back to confirm they sent it out today like they said they did.

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    Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    I didn't get the email but my tracking # shows movement. Delivery on Friday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by drmayer View Post
    I didn't get the email but my tracking # shows movement. Delivery on Friday!
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    No movement on my tracking number. I ordered Night Train Bullet on 9/16. I am guessing that those of us who didn't get a number today may wait a long time. They said some of this is with customs. That can take days or weeks to clear.

    Looks like no Black Bullets have shipped yet by this thread. I am guessing the Bullets were held up more than the others. The one guy ordered the 17.5 regular 2 weeks ago and it shipped today. Tells me us Bullet folks are going to do most the waiting if they are up that close in orders for non-Bullets.

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    17.5 sturgis bullet, white, and i'll have it monday as I see it was picked up (I'm in Idaho).
    (ordered in July - but dont think that matters)

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    Quote Originally Posted by neons97 View Post
    The e.13 TRS+ cranks that JensonUSA is selling for more than 1/2 off is the older 67.5mm chainline version, and is an older/discontinued model. The new models are 74.8mm chainline.

    So the cranks on sale at Jenson USA with the 67.5mm chainline "MAY" work with the Sturgis/Night Train frame...possibly in a 1x set-up (outer ring position), and with narrower tires (i.e. 4" or smaller...just a guess). But you may get odd chainline (i.e. abnormal wear, poor shifting performance, noise, etc.).

    However, it probably won't work as a 2x set-up at all, regardless of rear tire clearance. And probably not with tires more than 4" wide (just a pure guess on my part).

    Thanks for the heads up....I'm sure I would have figured that out eventually.....after throwing it across the garage...turns out the order wasn't far enough along and they returned to sender.

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    I keep pressing refresh. Ordered NT bullet early Sep. looks like mines stopped although got the email which is badly written as says" if you get this email yours has shipped" but then goes on to say " some have been stopped by customs" so not very clear.


    Quote Originally Posted by pearsth View Post
    No movement on my tracking number. I ordered Night Train Bullet on 9/16. I am guessing that those of us who didn't get a number today may wait a long time. They said some of this is with customs. That can take days or weeks to clear.

    Looks like no Black Bullets have shipped yet by this thread. I am guessing the Bullets were held up more than the others. The one guy ordered the 17.5 regular 2 weeks ago and it shipped today. Tells me us Bullet folks are going to do most the waiting if they are up that close in orders for non-Bullets.

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    I ordered a 21" black NT bullet 10/21 (I don't know how you guys could stand waiting since friggin July) I don't have any activity on my shipment yet. Glad to see peeps have them on their way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danny31292 View Post
    Two things. 1st, the Samox crank on the Fatboy seems to be having enough issues with the crank bolt that its concerning. How can we prevent this issue? 2nd, whats a good replacement crank that is compatible with the 190mm rear. I think a few people have posted incompatible 170mm cranks.
    race face seems to have several that will fit the bill. After neon97s post I went to raceface website and found a pdf with helpful dimensions.

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    Ordered NT Bullet matte black 17.5 on 9/16. No movement on tracking number to Utah. My original email with tracking number from 9/16 shows a ship date of 11/5/14 next to tracking number link in the email. Weird?

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    I need to inform customs that it is a matter of national security that I get my bike as soon as possible

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    Arriving Monday Nov 10

    Ordered my night train on Sept 14, just checked my ups shipping no and arrival date should be monday. Not too soon as snow is predicted for tommorrow in Northern Wisconsin. Should be a fun winter.

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    Was it a bullet? Seems black bullets are delayed.....

    Quote Originally Posted by brulebike View Post
    Ordered my night train on Sept 14, just checked my ups shipping no and arrival date should be monday. Not too soon as snow is predicted for tommorrow in Northern Wisconsin. Should be a fun winter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bennybullfrog View Post
    Was it a bullet? Seems black bullets are delayed.....
    Nope, this will be a "snow" bike initially. Wanted to keep it as light as possible. I'm thinking Blutos will be in short supply right now, I'd bet that is what will contribute to delay. This is like the countdown to the launch of space rocket, Glad I'm in on the experimental launch.

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    Ordered mine in October. Ship Date said to be 11/10. NT 17.5 in Deep Purple. No movement or emails but I figured mine would be one of the last to go out.
    Glad to see they are starting to go out. I hope customs cooperates too!

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    Mine is a 17.5" purple NT as well. But I ordered on July 28th. No email/UPS movement yet. As said previously, these are most likely batched in containers (i.e. all of one model/size/colour together). Good to see no one got a purple 17.5" NT before me so far...

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    White Sturgis Bullet 17.5 headed my way, tracking says Nov 7, but based on where it is now, I could see it getting into town here tonight for delivery on Nov 6. My order was 9/24 when I cancelled the previous order for a 17.5 rigid green Sturgis from a week earlier.

    -edit - I was optimistic they'd zip right up I-35 and arrive a day early but looks like it's stuck in Kansas City.
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    Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    Delivery date went from nov 7 to Monday November 10. All good! Just gotta figure out who will be home to accept the package.

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    Mine shipped today, Purple Night Train 19.

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    Ok...so I feel like I have the equivalent of fat bike blue balls .

    After getting a call at 10:20am PST yesterday letting me know that my bike would ship yesterday there is still no movement on my ticket.

    I called this morning and spoke with the same person and now the story is that "we are shipping a lot of bikes at the same time so it may take a while before your ticket is activated".

    I know I've been waiting since July for this thing but c'mon. With the end so close in sight you can't mess with people's minds like this .

    Just let me know that I should see something in the next couple of days/that "we'll get that out as soon as we can"...don't tell me it's going to ship on a date that it wouldn't.

    /rant over....

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    Mine is in St. Louis right now. More than half way here!

    :-)
    My wife told me UPS usually gets to my house by 3PM so I am leaving work at 2 tomorrow.

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    I was able to order an Old Man Mountain Phat Sherpa rack for the Night Train by calling and talking to the guys at OMM directly. They have to order a Roberts axle to make it work, and clamp mounts but it will ship to me I a couple of days. Looking forward to getting it and I will post how it goes once I get both the bike and rack. My bike has not shown any movement on the tracking number as of today.

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    if looking to upgrade bottom bracket and crankset... what are the specifics.. is it press fit, threaded,, 120mm spindle? I know a lot seems to be out of stock a this current time.. waiting on the large sturgis bullet to arrive, supposedly by Monday... will have a few days before deer season opens up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by siv View Post
    Mine shipped today, Purple Night Train 19.
    First purple NT I've seen movement on. Makes me giddy as I have a purple nt in 17.5 with my name on it, but no ups movement so far.

    Not sure how the manufacturer grouped the bikes in the containers. By model, by size, or by colour?

    Haven't seen anyone post of a 15.5" shipped yet, regardless of order date, model or colour.

    I think I've seen nt, ntb, sturgis a sturgis bullets move. But not all colours. Song don't think they were grouped by model. Makes me think they are grouped by size/colour.

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    I believe the bottom bracket and cranks are PF30 bottom bracket and 100mm spindle w/ 190 spacing. I keep thinking about ordering another set of RF Ride cranks for this bike but going to hold off and hope these cranks are OK. I have a set of Ride cranks for 170 spacing sitting in my pile-O-Parts so can throw those on in a pinch but will probably have chain line issues. Will keep me riding in case of issues while I deal with mail order warranty. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destr0 View Post
    I believe the bottom bracket and cranks are PF30 bottom bracket and 100mm spindle w/ 190 spacing. I keep thinking about ordering another set of RF Ride cranks for this bike but going to hold off and hope these cranks are OK. I have a set of Ride cranks for 170 spacing sitting in my pile-O-Parts so can throw those on in a pinch but will probably have chain line issues. Will keep me riding in case of issues while I deal with mail order warranty. :-)
    Pretty sure the BB is 100m and the spindle is 120mm with washers on each side. As for the bottom bracket, what kind does the Boris use? BSA or PF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destr0 View Post
    I believe the bottom bracket and cranks are PF30 bottom bracket and 100mm spindle w/ 190 spacing. I keep thinking about ordering another set of RF Ride cranks for this bike but going to hold off and hope these cranks are OK. I have a set of Ride cranks for 170 spacing sitting in my pile-O-Parts so can throw those on in a pinch but will probably have chain line issues. Will keep me riding in case of issues while I deal with mail order warranty. :-)
    This is incorrect

    The nt/sturgis frame is threaded bsa bottom bracket. 100mm shell. Requires 120mm shell spacing (ie meant for 190mm old tear/100mm bottom bracket + 10mm spindle spacer on each end) if you want to run 2x front.

    If you run a 1x front, a spindle length meant for a 170mm old rear/100mm bb may be able to work provided:
    1. Race face direct mount: flip the ring to regain chainline
    2. Triple crank: put the ring in the outboard/large ring position, and check the arms to ensure they clear the chainstays. You should have good chainline.
    3. Double crank: use outer ring position and live with a poor chain line. You might also have issues with the chain rubbing on tires wider than about 4".

    But without having these frames actually out in market, these are just my best educated assumptions for now.

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    Received an email from Bikes Direct just now saying that my 17.5" Red Sturgis Bullet is stuck in customs:

    Hi, thanks very much for your order with Bikesdirect.com. As you may have heard, some of the Night Train Bullet, Night Train, Sturgis, and Sturgis Bullet arrived yesterday and began shipping. Unfortunately, as these were in several assorted containers, not all unloaded yesterday. Some containers were selected by U.S. customs to inspect.

    If you are receiving this email then your bike was on one of these containers. We have no control over customs, their timing, or work load. However, we have made it clear to our forwarder that the outstanding containers are a hot rush. As soon as we get release and delivery on the remaining Night Train Bullet, Night Train, Sturgis, and Sturgis Bullet bikes the remaining bikes will ship at once. The minute the remaining containers arrive to our warehouse docks we will email you to let you know when to start checking your tracking number.

    Your bike will ship with the tracking number that was sent to you after you ordered. If you don't see that email, please check your spam folder. If you need to communicate with us regarding this order the best way is to reply to this email, or you can always call us at 904-249-2453. If you don't reach us between 9-5 EST just call back as we may be on the other line with a customer.

    OTHER GOOD NEWS: the outstanding containers include some Fat Bike wheels that will go on sale for Black Friday promo - including some 29er wheels that will work on Night Train Bullet, Night Train, Sturgis, and Sturgis Bullet.

    We thank you for your business and most importantly your patience. We look forward to completing your order as soon as possible. Thanks for being a valued customer, you are saving hundreds with BikesDirect.com!

    Thanks,

    Order Processing Team at Bikes Direct

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    I haven't gotten either email yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neons97 View Post
    I haven't gotten either email yet.
    Just got my "sorry but yours is in customs" email.

    Oh well, I guess the waiting game continues. What does it matter in the grand scheme of things? What's another couple of weeks after all this waiting? I wish I hadn't gotten the call yesterday telling me that mine was on the way though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hartzpad View Post
    Received an email from Bikes Direct just now saying that my 17.5" Red Sturgis Bullet is stuck in customs:

    Hi, thanks very much for your order with Bikesdirect.com. As you may have heard, some of the Night Train Bullet, Night Train, Sturgis, and Sturgis Bullet arrived yesterday and began shipping. Unfortunately, as these were in several assorted containers, not all unloaded yesterday. Some containers were selected by U.S. customs to inspect.

    If you are receiving this email then your bike was on one of these containers. We have no control over customs, their timing, or work load. However, we have made it clear to our forwarder that the outstanding containers are a hot rush. As soon as we get release and delivery on the remaining Night Train Bullet, Night Train, Sturgis, and Sturgis Bullet bikes the remaining bikes will ship at once. The minute the remaining containers arrive to our warehouse docks we will email you to let you know when to start checking your tracking number.

    Your bike will ship with the tracking number that was sent to you after you ordered. If you don't see that email, please check your spam folder. If you need to communicate with us regarding this order the best way is to reply to this email, or you can always call us at 904-249-2453. If you don't reach us between 9-5 EST just call back as we may be on the other line with a customer.

    OTHER GOOD NEWS: the outstanding containers include some Fat Bike wheels that will go on sale for Black Friday promo - including some 29er wheels that will work on Night Train Bullet, Night Train, Sturgis, and Sturgis Bullet.

    We thank you for your business and most importantly your patience. We look forward to completing your order as soon as possible. Thanks for being a valued customer, you are saving hundreds with BikesDirect.com!

    Thanks,

    Order Processing Team at Bikes Direct

    Yup I got the same one.......customs.....pffffft....

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    neons97.. thanks for the info on the bottom bracket crankset....deal

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    These containers are filled with goods destined for businesses that need to run and turn a profit so I doubt that customs holds the goods up for very long at all. I would think no more than a day. Otherwise, I feel like this could be a convenient way for BD to buy some time if shipments are a little late.

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    My previously voided shipping label just went active. It says scheduled delivery is for Monday. I ordered a 17.5 black NTB.

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    17.5 Night Train Bullet in Matte Black coming my way by Friday. My birthday is today. An updated shipping number is a great present!!!
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    Same bike and shipping situation. Monday... Damn. At least it's happening!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewZorn View Post
    Same bike and shipping situation. Monday... Damn. At least it's happening!
    Yeah also got the dreaded held up by US Customs email. Patience is a virtue...pffft!
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    Re: Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    Murdered out XL NTB headed my way!

    Guess maybe I should cancel all of those flaming crates of poo I just sent to the Port of Houston?

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    I got the 'Stuck in Customs' Email but hoping it gets shipped out next week.
    The anticipation is killing me but I can still have fun on my FS bike!

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    My ups tracking info says my 19"Sturgis Bullet in Gunmetal Grey will be here tomorrow. Can't wait to put it together and take it for a ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by livewr06 View Post
    I got the 'Stuck in Customs' Email but hoping it gets shipped out next week.
    The anticipation is killing me but I can still have fun on my FS bike!
    Wish I had this option....cracked my chainstay a couple of weeks back so not bike for me.

    I was hoping to be on my bike much sooner. The "your bike shipped...oh wait, no it didn't" dance is not a lot of fun. Hoping that the customs hold isn't all that long and the bike is here in time to enjoy in no time.

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    UPS shows my bike is now at the distribution center near me!!! :-) Looks like tomorrow is a go! My handlebars were supposed to be here tomorrow too but now the tracking number says Saturday. :-{

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    Was it shipped Yesterday? That's preetty impressive!

    Quote Originally Posted by Destr0 View Post
    UPS shows my bike is now at the distribution center near me!!! :-) Looks like tomorrow is a go! My handlebars were supposed to be here tomorrow too but now the tracking number says Saturday. :-{
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tin Turtle View Post
    I was able to order an Old Man Mountain Phat Sherpa rack for the Night Train by calling and talking to the guys at OMM directly. They have to order a Roberts axle to make it work, and clamp mounts but it will ship to me I a couple of days. Looking forward to getting it and I will post how it goes once I get both the bike and rack. My bike has not shown any movement on the tracking number as of today.
    Thanks for the mention Tin Turtle. Looking forward to seeing your Night Train fully outfitted with Old Man Mountain racks and our thru-axle. Please do post up photos, we love seeing our customer's bikes.

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    I got the dreaded "your bike is stuck in customs" email.

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    With all these beautiful bikes shipping, is anyone unloading slightly used Boris's or FB4's?

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    OH NO! My UPS tracking now shows a big yellow "EXCEPTION" instead of out for delivery. It is at the distribution center 15 minutes away... :-( I will give it a while to update but if I don't see any movement by lunch I am calling big brown.

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    Just checked mine and it landed at their center 50 minutes away. It was scheduled to be here Monday but it may change to tomorrow!!!

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    Re: Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    Is anyone else annoyed about the Fantom Pro 29 photo that shows up on the thread list for a thread about our beloved Sturgis and NT?

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    I can delete it if it is that annoying. Just trying to be helpful for the folks who wanted a view of silver. We should have plenty of silver pics soon to replace it by next week.
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    Whoo Hoo! Taking up a lot of space in my office:

    Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread-img_0173.jpgMotobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread-img_0174.jpgMotobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread-img_0175.jpg

    I will pull it out and take some more pics later but I drove my truck to work today so want to leave it in the box for the ride home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Negotiator50 View Post
    Is anyone else annoyed about the Fantom Pro 29 photo that shows up on the thread list for a thread about our beloved Sturgis and NT?

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    lol only on the taptalk app. It always pop up for some reason but helps separate from the other subscribed threads!

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    Mines out for delivery. Bailed work to wait on it, brewing to pass the time, winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destr0 View Post
    Whoo Hoo! Taking up a lot of space in my office:

    I will pull it out and take some more pics later but I drove my truck to work today so want to leave it in the box for the ride home.
    Sweet! How tall are you and what is your pant leg in seem? I'm btwn a large and xl, and not sure which to order. Can you weigh it too for us, please?

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    Grabbed some tools on lunch as I am not able to leave early (unexpected 4:30 meeting) so I am going to assemble and bring home on my bike rack. :-)

    Will have a weight soon, but will only be a bathroom scale weight. I am 6'3" tall and rode a L and XL Mukluk that has very similar geometry/sizing - I liked the way the XL felt better. My true inseam (floor to crotch) is 35" - not super long but I am very long in the torso so the smaller bikes feel a bit cramped - I used to like a size L but now at 43 years old my back likes the longer top tube, and I can run a short stem/wide bars vs the long stem I need on a size L (I have a 120mm stem on my L 29er and 20mm setback post and I like the fit but could use a touch more room).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destr0 View Post
    Grabbed some tools on lunch as I am not able to leave early (unexpected 4:30 meeting) so I am going to assemble and bring home on my bike rack. :-)
    When you have the time, can you report on exactly how much assembly has to be done, since BD seems to be a bit vague regarding this?

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    Looks like bars, seatpost and front wheel need to go on that's it. I'm doing mine later tonight. Box is in good shape though.

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    Threw it together so I can bring it home on my bike rack rather than the bed of my truck (it looks like rain tonight - YUK). Assembly took all of 15 minutes -

    Remove reflectors
    put front end wheel caps and rotor on
    Setup front brake (front caliper is not bolted to fork)
    Put in seat post
    Turn stem/fork 180 and adjust for angle (mine was a couple degrees off from straight)
    Attach bars
    remove plastic and paper wraps
    find a couple of those useless C clip things that hold on brake hoses - mine was missing a few but I did find them in the bottom of the box - Too bad I was using the box as my garbage for all the packing. That was the hardest part of the whole setup - that and you have to remove the caliper from the bracket to be able to bolt the caliper on the fork.

    Per my very scientific bathroom scale it weighs about 34lbs as delivered (less the reflectors). Sounds about right -the Night Train in the other thread was listed at 32lbs for a Large, this has heavier components and heavier tires and is an XL frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destr0 View Post
    Threw it together so I can bring it home on my bike rack rather than the bed of my truck (it looks like rain tonight - YUK). Assembly took all of 15 minutes -

    Remove reflectors
    put front end wheel caps and rotor on
    Setup front brake (front caliper is not bolted to fork)
    Put in seat post
    Turn stem/fork 180 and adjust for angle (mine was a couple degrees off from straight)
    Attach bars
    remove plastic and paper wraps
    find a couple of those useless C clip things that hold on brake hoses - mine was missing a few but I did find them in the bottom of the box - Too bad I was using the box as my garbage for all the packing. That was the hardest part of the whole setup - that and you have to remove the caliper from the bracket to be able to bolt the caliper on the fork.

    Per my very scientific bathroom scale it weighs about 34lbs as delivered (less the reflectors). Sounds about right -the Night Train in the other thread was listed at 32lbs for a Large, this has heavier components and heavier tires and is an XL frame.
    Great info, thanks!

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    Please let us know how it rides!

    Whats the frame really like as far as welds go and other such things?

    Other comments?

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    oooo 34 lbs. thats not bad at all. My NIght train i hope is sub 30 after the tubeless conversion. It will be lighter than my 29er FS. wtf!?!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonggi View Post
    oooo 34 lbs. thats not bad at all. My NIght train i hope is sub 30 after the tubeless conversion. It will be lighter than my 29er FS. wtf!?!!
    I am OK with 34lb - the seat and post are probably 2.5!!! Those are probably both going bye-bye tonight (I have a post for this bike, and I may steal my Ti rail Velo saddle that is supposed to be for my Bucksaw).

    I am hoping with the lightweight tubes and rim strips, bars, saddle and seatpost I am pretty darn close to the 30lb mark.

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    Some better pics: Nobody notice that in a couple of the pics I have the rear derailleur cable on the wrong side of the stem... I fixed it - I told you guys I threw it together quick! LOL Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread-img_0181.jpgMotobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread-img_0180.jpgMotobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread-img_0176.jpgMotobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread-img_0183.jpg

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    That's the 'matte' black? Really?

    - Nevermind, I'm dumb, you got the Sturgis.

    Even after ordering and everything, I'm still really annoyed by certain colors only being available for certain builds. It's all so confusing.

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    Yeah I would have liked a Sturgis Bullet in Matte Black (my Moto Fantom Pro 29er is that color).

    Welds look nice and clean -as I expected. :-)

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    Re: Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewZorn View Post
    That's the 'matte' black? Really?

    - Nevermind, I'm dumb, you got the Sturgis.

    Even after ordering and everything, I'm still really annoyed by certain colors only being available for certain builds. It's all so confusing.
    I don't think the sturgis bullet came in a black. That could in fact be the matte black.

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    Can someone pleae post up a picture of a 15" Bullet. This is killing me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Negotiator50 View Post
    I don't think the sturgis bullet came in a black. That could in fact be the matte black.

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    This is the Sturgis Bullet in the Gunmetalflakegrey. Really nice color - a lot cooler than I was thinking, but I still would have liked matt black. :-) Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread-img_0184%5B1%5D.jpg

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    Awesome, thanks for the pics and weight! Looks like a great bike, especially for the price.

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    There is no way customs is holding up a few shipping containers for that long. I think one of the boats sank and my Sturgis is gonna need scuba gear to retreive. I am jealous of all the the people getting their bikes already.

    34lbs for a XL with a Bluto and stock parts...pretty good. So my tubeless, rigid-fork, carbon bar, 50mm Kore stem, Thomson seatpost, and San Marco Aspide Ti saddle might get this thing around 30? Sweet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destr0 View Post
    Per my very scientific bathroom scale it weighs about 34lbs as delivered (less the reflectors). Sounds about right -the Night Train in the other thread was listed at 32lbs for a Large, this has heavier components and heavier tires and is an XL frame.
    I've been digging up the weights on the different components between the Sturgis and Night Train and this is what I came up with:

    Tires: 1355-1260 x 2 = 190 grams
    Brake set: 638-550 = 88g
    R. Derailleur: 290-250= 40g
    Shifters: 250-230= 20g
    TOTAL= 338 grams (.75 lbs)

    So, I would agree that your XL Sturgis weight seems accurate when compared to the Large Night Train in the other thread. Not much weight difference for $200. I doubt there is a noticeable performance difference in the shifters and rear derailleur. I know the brakes are a lot better, but I prefer Shimanos and can get a set for $100, and that would leave me with the Dracos for spares or to flip for more savings.

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    I'm 5'11" with a 33" inseam, I ordered a 17.5" medium. I just checked out some Fatboys and the salesman said he would never ever put me on a medium. My Sturgis is stuck in Customs, should I switch to a large?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hartzpad View Post
    I'm 5'11" with a 33" inseam, I ordered a 17.5" medium. I just checked out some Fatboys and the salesman said he would never ever put me on a medium. My Sturgis is stuck in Customs, should I switch to a large?
    Only if it's Matte Black as I have a Matte Silver (17.5") in customs that I wouldn't mind having in Matte Black .

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    Quote Originally Posted by hartzpad View Post
    I'm 5'11" with a 33" inseam, I ordered a 17.5" medium. I just checked out some Fatboys and the salesman said he would never ever put me on a medium. My Sturgis is stuck in Customs, should I switch to a large?
    It really depends on what you prefer, and how long your upper body is compared to your lower. I'm 6'3" and have very long legs (inseem 36" actual, 34" pant leg), broad shoulders, and relatively short arms. Because of my height, I end up between the Large and XL frame sizes for a lot of bikes. I find the fit is typically better for me on the smaller (large) frames, because of the shorter reach to the bars. If I go with a larger frame, I have to run a shorter length stem (like 70 vs 90mm). On frames with short chain stays (i.e, 440mm on a 29er), this can make the front end wander and loop out on steep climbs when seated, but with longer chain stays (455mm), this is not an issue. These fat bikes have long chain stays (460mm), so the front end should stay planted when climbing with a shorter stem. However, the XL frame has a pretty long wheelbase at 1170mm (longer than my 120mm full suspension 29er), which could make tight switchbacks more cumbersome, so I'm leaning towards the size large personally. I think I would be fine either way. With the long stems they spec'd on these bikes, I'm sure that will be the first thing I change anyways.

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    You dogs that have your night trains already. My black 19" has made it from Texas to Illinois, to N Wisc on Monday. Good thing I have to work this weekend and wouldn't have been able to ride. An inch of new snow this morning and more predicted for tommorrow. It will be a happy thanksgiving in Brule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hartzpad View Post
    I'm 5'11" with a 33" inseam, I ordered a 17.5" medium. I just checked out some Fatboys and the salesman said he would never ever put me on a medium. My Sturgis is stuck in Customs, should I switch to a large?
    I have the same measurements and tested a Fatty or two of my pals. 19" felt right to me
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    Good job! NT in the house....

    Mr. UPS delivered as promised. Needless to say, I was kinda stoked...

    Figured some people might want additional pics (even if I only have the black, non-bluto...) A couple rubs on the paint from shipping, but everything came clean with a little clear coat safe compound.

    Also, did the same weighing technique as with luggage. (Typical scale, by yourself, then with luggage/bike in hand.) Came in at 34 lbs even. It's a digital scale, but... I'd still take it with a grain of salt. Definitely heavier than I had hoped for a Medium/17.5.
    - Regarding weight, here are the component tweaks I made:
    1. Old Thompson Elite seat post I had around
    2. Different WTB seat (guessing it's a couple grams lighter)
    3. DMR Flat Pedals (400g for the pair)
    4. ODI grips
    5. Hope seat post clamp

    So... probably not too much different than what others will weigh.

    Rides great. Minor tweaks on front caliber positioning. Shifting very clean. Definitely have to check the tire pressure though. They're like rocks.

    Tip: I was an idiot and promptly ignored the spacers that are literally tied to the front wheel. Put them on your hub before installing. (Keep the front caliper bolts loose before putting the front wheel on. Get the front wheel on, apply front brake pressure to set positioning, then tighten. I'm not an expert, so I guess people will correct my approach as necessary. But it worked like a charm for me. No tweaking of discs needed.)

    Looking forward to my first proper ride tomorrow.

    Hope everyone's bikes arrives in the same shape as mine.

    Yes, it looks bad, but it cleaned up with 10 seconds of clear coat safe compound.
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    Ooff, 34lbs, I was hoping for something closer to 30 for my large. Look at the tires on that fatboy, perfect. Keep us posted on how your first ride goes

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    I think you might be better off with a smaller frame and a setback seatpost to get more weight over the rear wheel. Fatbike veterans seem to think that is the biggest advantage of the fattires.

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    We need these bikes on real, calibrated scales

    The other thread claims 34lbs for an XL Sturgis Bullet (i.e. with Bluto)

    This thread claims 34lbs for a 17.5" NT, but with a lighter post, and nearly 1lb pedals. Putting this around 33.5lbs.

    The night train should be about 3/4 lb lighter than a sturgis. Bluto should add about 1.5lbs. M vs. XL frame should be worth at least 1/2 lb. So if the other thread is correct, a 17.5" NT stock should be 31-31.5 lbs. So about a 2-2.5lb discrepancy between the bathroom scale method, and the other guy's "pallet scale" method. Neither of which are overly accurate as the pallet scale probably isn't meant to weigh a 35lb mass with much accuracy.

    Then there's another claim that the guy's Sturgis Bullet is 32lbs for a 19". Which is the lightest we have seen. Taking the Bluto out, that would mean a Night Train (rigid) at about 29.75lbs for a 19". Account for 1/4 lb for the 17" and this would make it a 29.5lb Night Train. That's about 4 lbs different than the claim in this post.

    I think the moral is...we still don't know how much these things actually weigh.

    In any case, I had psyched myself up for 35 lbs. for my Night Train (rigid, 17.5"). So any or all of these weights will be welcomed. If we can get these to sub-30 with just a few upgrades, those carbon-forked Fatboy owners who have been saying "but ours are sub-30 lbs" will be silenced on the topic of weight.

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    Take my 35lb with a grain of salt - I do not own a scale (bathroom or otherwise) and my shipping clerk had left for the day by the time I got it assembled. Not sure our postage scale would have worked anyway - I know it will weigh 40lb boxes, but not sure how we would do a bike. I weighed it by standing on scale without bike, then with bike and then had another person do the same- the scale I used was close to max with me and the bike (300# max scale - me in street clothes with shoes and wallet showed 355 + 34 lb bike it was close to the max) - other person was only 170 before bike and both came to 34#. Scale was not digital though so not terribly accurate. :-)

    I have dumped some weight already - Velo ti rail saddle, FSA Gravity lite post and I am currently working on putting in a lightweight 2.4" Q tube and duct tape/caution tape rim strip.

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    all I am going to say is do yourself a favor , stop freakin out about weight, for those who have ridden fatbikes you ought to know what I am talking about. bike weight does not affect bushwacking or snow riding as much as you would think..

    for all of you who are waiting for their first one. sit back, chill, relax and stop fretting. you will dump a pile of money in to shave some grams to get it down sub 29....I'm saving my money for beer instead.
    my Pug with frame bag full and back rack and fender is an anchor,close to 41 lbs. but it storms around and terrorizes my area's singletrack. but still more fun to ride than my 25 lb. Kona Kina Kahuna hard tail...

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    My shipping # is still showing no movement! Aaaarrrgggghhh! Does customs really take a freakin week? What the heck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by twright205 View Post
    all I am going to say is do yourself a favor , stop freakin out about weight...
    Listen to this person. Between bike/gear/rider I'm hauling ~230lbs up the hill. Cutting 2lbs off the bike will make me 1% faster up hill. Meh. If you're into the weight weenie thing, buying a generic fat bike is like a vegan going to a Texas BBQ. Otherwise, ride and be happy. The lump of sweaty meat sitting on top of these bikes is the biggest factor in how fast it will go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manchvegas View Post
    My shipping # is still showing no movement! Aaaarrrgggghhh! Does customs really take a freakin week? What the heck!
    Container inspection at port during the holiday rush? Only if you're really lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by car_nut View Post
    Listen to this person. Between bike/gear/rider I'm hauling ~230lbs up the hill. Cutting 2lbs off the bike will make me 1% faster up hill. Meh. If you're into the weight weenie thing, buying a generic fat bike is like a vegan going to a Texas BBQ. Otherwise, ride and be happy. The lump of sweaty meat sitting on top of these bikes is the biggest factor in how fast it will go.
    It's not enough to get a bike with a really nice build for hundreds less than bikes at the LBS. It's gotta be lighter too.

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    Mine showed up with a front broken spoke/nipple due to the crank arm being shipped in it, just how they do it I guess. Only got to ride it around in the yard and street a little. It rides lighter than whatever weight number you're going to see. The tires have some self steer in pavement but I'm not sure about psi, only get worse by lowering it. I'm still not sure why there's hub spacers in the front, why didn't they just make 150mm spaced fork to go with 150mm hubs? Sucks because I take my wheel off to transport, definetely gonna lose those spacers.

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    I just tried to switch from my 17.5" M Sturgis Bullet red to the 19" L Sturgis Bullet red and they say they do not have any left, but they did make a note in case any extras are found. Website shows them available but it isn't up to date.

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    Bud and Lou showed up last night. Now waiting for Bluto on the Train. Tracking shows he 'Departed' Texas yesterday... still no 'Scheduled Delivery' date posted. Should I be concerned?

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    Personally, I'm very pleased to see the initial reports for the weight of these bikes. I was worried that they would come in at 36+ pounds, after reading the preproduction model review on Singletracks. 32-34 lbs is excellent with the Bluto, and tells me the frame should be worth keeping. I agree that at this point, weight should no longer be a major concern.

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    Not too worried about the weight weenie thing, BUT if I am going to trick out my bike (and I have to mod any bike - even a $4K high end bike - I would have to add my touch to it) I am going to lighten weight at the same time. I know having bought a different Moto bike last year that the seat post and bars are fairly heavy and generic so I bought some better "Bling" ones. That and light weight tubes and lock on grips are the only mods for me until something breaks or I don't like the saddle. :-) Getting close to 30lbs is just a goal so I can say I got a $1300 fat bike that weighs the same as a $4K Fat Boy. My seat post and bars set me back less than $70 total (love BikeIsland and Nashbar clearance stuff!) and the seat post weighs about 1/2 what the stock one does and it is a great accent color.
    Waiting on my bars that will be here Saturday, then I can post some pics.

    The caution tape rim strip was a fail - the lettering is too big to see through the rim holes - you couldn't even tell they were words, it looked like a yellow rim strip with some of the holes not cut out right. Thankfully when I went to the store yesterday on my way home to buy duct tape to back up the caution tape I found this:



    Really like the batman logos as a rim strip. :-) Yellow seat post and yellow bars/grips. :-)

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    Nice. The knobs on those tires look pretty underwhelming. Are they larger or beefier in person? Looking at that, I am thinking I might need to get some better tires for snow riding and leave those for mud riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Negotiator50 View Post
    Nice. The knobs on those tires look pretty underwhelming. Are they larger or beefier in person? Looking at that, I am thinking I might need to get some better tires for snow riding and leave those for mud riding.

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    I've noticed this too after test riding a few different bikes this week. The Surly Nate tires were much knobbier than the Vee tires I rode on (Bulldozer, Mission). Though, The Bulldozer kinda reminded me of a huge Maxis Highroller, which isn't a bad thing.

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    I am also suddenly worrying about the tires after seeing pictures of the tread pattern. I'd almost rather not ride on them so I could still sell them and get a decent replacement set. How snow-specific do you think those are, with knobs that look more like studs in terms of size and spacing?

    My tires won't see much snow or sand action that would necessitate a fat bike. I mostly got this for a fun mountain bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by Onestep4me View Post
    Bud and Lou showed up last night. Now waiting for Bluto on the Train. Tracking shows he 'Departed' Texas yesterday... still no 'Scheduled Delivery' date posted. Should I be concerned?
    Why would you be worried? It's in UPS's hands now. They aren't perfect, but are pretty reliable. The bike is out of Bikes Direct's hands now and is in the mail. This is good news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Negotiator50 View Post
    I might need to get some better tires for snow riding and leave those for mud riding.
    That's what I'm doing.

    Last week I rode with 3 other fat bikes. They had Missions (3.8), Snowshoes (4.5?), and Bud / Lou (4.8). There was not much size dif between the Missions and Snowshoes. Bud & Lou seemed HUGE in comparison, both overall size and tread height.

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    I just want to see my bike that's all I care about ,at least some tracking movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onestep4me View Post
    That's what I'm doing.

    Last week I rode with 3 other fat bikes. They had Missions (3.8), Snowshoes (4.5?), and Bud / Lou (4.8). There was not much size dif between the Missions and Snowshoes. Bud & Lou seemed HUGE in comparison, both overall size and tread height.
    I have a snowshoe 4.5 and it is the exact same size as an H-Billei 4.25, it is bigger than the 3.8 Panracer Fat B Nible I have. The Snowshoe XL 5.0 on the Sturgis is bigger than all of them - I don't have a Bud/Lou to compare. The tread is fairly substantial - Not wanting to drop another $300 on tires I am going to try them in the snow this winter and replace only if I need to.

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    BD doesn't list the snowshoe XL as being spec'd on any of their bikes anymore - all Snowshoe 4.5's in different TPI and compounds, but no XL's. Did you get Snowshoe XL's on your sturgis?

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    Any one figure out why there's spacer caps for the front hub yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by siv View Post
    Any one figure out why there's spacer caps for the front hub yet?
    I think it is because the hub spacing must not be 150mm and the bluto fork is 150mm spacing.
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    Got my 19" Sturgis Bullet

    I wasted no time assembling my Sturgis Bullet when I got home last night. Everything in the box was in perfect condition and assembled fine. I did not use the included seat and seat post. Instead I used an Easton EA70 post and Specialized Henge Comp seat I had that weight a combined 240 grams.

    I went out and got some dirt on the tires riding around my place and everything functions well. I like it!





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    Quote Originally Posted by mtb_fun View Post
    I wasted no time assembling my Sturgis Bullet when I got home last night. Everything in the box was in perfect condition and assembled fine. I did not use the included seat and seat post. Instead I used an Easton EA70 post and Specialized Henge Comp seat I had that weight a combined 240 grams.

    I went out and got some dirt on the tires riding around my place and everything functions well. I like it!





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    Did you need to use the hub spacers up front?

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    Seriously, are we getting 135mm front hubs? I thought a 150mm front hub was part of the sell for this bike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by watermonkey View Post
    BD doesn't list the snowshoe XL as being spec'd on any of their bikes anymore - all Snowshoe 4.5's in different TPI and compounds, but no XL's. Did you get Snowshoe XL's on your sturgis?
    I don't recall but they do say 5.0 on them (vs. my other snowshoe that is 4.5) - I put them next to the H-Billie last night when I had them off to do the rim strips and they are a bit wider. I did not think to grab a tape measure and see the actual difference.

    The H-Billie and Snowshoe are exactly the same width and look to be made on the same carcass. These Snowshoes are certainly wider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewZorn View Post
    Seriously, are we getting 135mm front hubs? I thought a 150mm front hub was part of the sell for this bike...
    Who makes a 150 front hub that doesn't use spacers/end caps? Almost all of the current hubs are 135mm hubs with spacers/end caps to make them fit the 150 Bluto.

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    Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    Seems like a benefit of having the 135mm spaced hubs is that there are a few more options out there right now for rigid forks with 135mm spacing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destr0 View Post
    Who makes a 150 front hub that doesn't use spacers/end caps? Almost all of the current hubs are 135mm hubs with spacers/end caps to make them fit the 150 Bluto.
    I don't have the Bluto model. And usually spacer/end caps are pressed into the hub not pressed on the outside diameter like these. I only care because I haul my bike inside my CRV, gotta take the wheel off every time, don't wanna lose the spacers.

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    or existing 29er summer/narrower options?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destr0 View Post
    Who makes a 150 front hub that doesn't use spacers/end caps? Almost all of the current hubs are 135mm hubs with spacers/end caps to make them fit the 150 Bluto.
    Um, Novatec does, right? And I would rather have the benefit of the wider hub and flange-to-flange distance. Using a 135mm hub with spacers to fit a 150mm spacing seems lame.

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    I thought we were getting the D201SB and D202SB (page 14).

    BikesDirect page says: "NOVATEC FRONT DISC HUB 32H, 15mmx150mm Thru-Axle." That's not the same as a 135mm hub with spacers. Would have been just as easy to say that. Edit: ugh, unless the 150mm is referring only to the thru-axle. Lame if so. Kind of deceptive to call it a 150mm front spacing fork/axle if the benefits aren't there.

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    to those weight weenies. ill chime in. According to UPS my box weighs 30 lbs. Its a medium Night Train. This UPS Guys needs to come ASAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by siv View Post
    Did you need to use the hub spacers up front?
    Yes, I did. The hub would be way to narrow and pinch the forks together without them.
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    Looks like the hubs are 135 then. Email sent, see what he says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonggi View Post
    to those weight weenies. ill chime in. According to UPS my box weighs 30 lbs. Its a medium Night Train. This UPS Guys needs to come ASAP.
    This means nothing at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destr0 View Post
    I don't recall but they do say 5.0 on them (vs. my other snowshoe that is 4.5) - I put them next to the H-Billie last night when I had them off to do the rim strips and they are a bit wider. I did not think to grab a tape measure and see the actual difference.

    The H-Billie and Snowshoe are exactly the same width and look to be made on the same carcass. These Snowshoes are certainly wider.
    "5.0" would be wrong as well. The Snowshoe XL's are marketed as a 4.8" tire. The only tire "marketed" as a 5" tire that I know of right now is the Dillinger5. And even they are pretty candid that it is a 4.8" tire. I've seen a D5 in person, and I don't think it "looked" even 4.8", but I had no calipers on hand to measure. Just gut feel.

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    Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    If they include spacers, the hub is 135


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    Quote Originally Posted by rjedoaks View Post
    If they include spacers, the hub is 135


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    Can someone take a picture of these "spacers"? In the detailed pictures of the Lurch, which should be using the same hubs, they are true 150mm hubs, but it is the "end caps" that change between QR and 15TA. I wonder if people here are just confusing an end cap with a spacer. I highly doubt they would use a different wheelset between the lurch and the Sturgis/Night Train.

    In the picture below, this isn't a "spacer". This is considered an "end cap", making it a 150mm hub with a 15mm TA endcap. And thre has not been one complaint on the Lurch forum about the bikes coming with 135mm hubs with extender spacers to make it fit a 150mm fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neons97 View Post
    Can someone take a picture of these "spacers"? In the detailed pictures of the Lurch, which should be using the same hubs, they are true 150mm hubs, but it is the "end caps" that change between QR and 15TA. I wonder if people here are just confusing an end cap with a spacer. I highly doubt they would use a different wheelset between the lurch and the Sturgis/Night Train.

    In the picture below, this isn't a "spacer". This is considered an "end cap", making it a 150mm hub with a 15mm TA endcap. And thre has not been one complaint on the Lurch forum about the bikes coming with 135mm hubs with extender spacers to make it fit a 150mm fork.

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    This sounds right and I hope it is true.

    My NTB is a couple miles away. It's arrived at the local sort facility. I tried calling and arranging for pickup, but they said they aren't going to unload the truck or something until Monday so I can't do anything but it let it sit there all weekend. So painful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildskycomet View Post
    or existing 29er summer/narrower options?
    Quote Originally Posted by neons97 View Post
    Can someone take a picture of these "spacers"? In the detailed pictures of the Lurch, which should be using the same hubs, they are true 150mm hubs, but it is the "end caps" that change between QR and 15TA. I wonder if people here are just confusing an end cap with a spacer. I highly doubt they would use a different wheelset between the lurch and the Sturgis/Night Train.

    In the picture below, this isn't a "spacer". This is considered an "end cap", making it a 150mm hub with a 15mm TA endcap. And thre has not been one complaint on the Lurch forum about the bikes coming with 135mm hubs with extender spacers to make it fit a 150mm fork.

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    That's not what we got. What you're showing is like a sleeve that inserts into the hub. What we're getting is similar but it fits on the outside diameter of the hub not inserted.

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    There should be plenty of traction in cold hard snow with these tires. I don't know if any tire will work well in wet soft snow. My 19" NT has made it to S Wisconsin, almost here, "I can hear the train a comming, rolling down the track"-Johnny Cash.

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    med 17.5 nighttrain today.
    started at 33lbs.. down to 30lb 3oz w/o pedals
    new seat charge spoon (-105)
    new tubes Q superlight 2.4-2.75 245g each / stock 600g each (-705g)
    new grips -wcs foam (-40g)
    removed plastic crap/ reflectors (-110g)
    ditched front shifer and front derai added RF NarWid 30t (-325g)




    Last edited by 13eard; 11-07-2014 at 04:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by siv View Post
    That's not what we got. What you're showing is like a sleeve that inserts into the hub. What we're getting is similar but it fits on the outside diameter of the hub not inserted.
    Picture please!

    I assume the 15TA end cap will not "insert" into the hub, as the hub's axle itself is designed for a 15TA. The reason the 9mmQR inserts is that the QR skewer itself is only 5mm in diameter, so they can afford to insert it into the hub's axle for more stability.

    I would expect the 15TA end cap to be like a sleeve that sits over top of the bearing that we see in this picture. Below, picture is not for NOvatech, but you'll see that on the left this is what I would expect a 15TA end cap to look like, IF the QR were to look like the one on the right.

    In the end, it's only 7.5mm on either side of the hub. If our hubs are 135 and 150 compatible, all the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 13eard View Post
    med 17.5 nighttrain today.
    started at 33lbs.. down to 31lb 14oz w/o pedals
    new seat charge spoon (-105)
    new tubes Q superlight 2.4-2.75 245g each / stock 600g each (-705g)
    new grips -wcs foam (-40g)
    removed plastic crap/ reflectors (-110g)



    Get rid of those stock rim strips - they weigh 160g....each. Simple duct tape strip is much. much lighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 13eard View Post
    med 17.5 nighttrain today.
    started at 33lbs.. down to 31lb 14oz w/o pedals
    new seat charge spoon (-105)
    new tubes Q superlight 2.4-2.75 245g each / stock 600g each (-705g)
    new grips -wcs foam (-40g)
    removed plastic crap/ reflectors (-110g)



    Very nice!

    And if anyone is interested - do not try to use the normal Q-Tubes. They do not work for a fat bike, only the superlights- my LBS did not have the SL in stock so I grabbed a normal 26x2.4 tube (only one BC I was not sure it would work). It does not inflate uniformly as it has ribs of additional material every once in a while. The tube was so fat in places the tire would not sit in the bead while other places the tube was still "normal" diameter. I ordered a couple SL tubes so will be riding on the Vee heavy tubes this weekend. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 13eard View Post
    med 17.5 nighttrain today.
    started at 33lbs.. down to 31lb 14oz w/o pedals
    new seat charge spoon (-105)
    new tubes Q superlight 2.4-2.75 245g each / stock 600g each (-705g)
    new grips -wcs foam (-40g)
    removed plastic crap/ reflectors (-110g)



    13eard, can you tell me your height an inseam? Wondering on the fit of the 17.5" frame?

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    going 1x now.. pulling stuff off.

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    How solid do these frames seem? I'm 260 lbs (and 7 ft, but I've made 21 inch bikes work before with riser bars and long seatpost) and am interested but a bit afraid of destroying the frame....

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    I am probably pushing 260 with all my gear - 240 without shoes. :-) I ride with a camelback stuffed with tools N spares for both me and my 9 year old son.

    I have zero fears of destroying this frame, I thrash a Moto 29er hardtail - broken nothing on the bike that wasn't 100% my fault in about 1500 miles. :-)

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    med 17.5 nighttrain today.
    started at 33lbs.. down to 30lb 3oz w/o pedals
    new seat charge spoon (-105)
    new tubes Q superlight 2.4-2.75 245g each / stock 600g each (-705g)
    new grips -wcs foam (-40g)
    removed plastic crap/ reflectors (-110g)
    1x - ditched front shifter and front derai added RF NarWid 30t (-325g)

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    im 510.5 in socks.. 6ft in shoes.. wear 32in seam pants.

    frame geo matches my moto titanium fly.
    im kind of inbetween sizes.. m-L.
    I usually go with the smaller bike.
    both bikes have a fairly long top tube.. I don't feel cramped.
    fat and 29 are gonna have longer chain stays.. if I was on a 26.. id want a L

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    Quote Originally Posted by hartzpad View Post
    13eard, can you tell me your height an inseam? Wondering on the fit of the 17.5" frame?
    More pictures please so those of us still waiting can share in the fun!....and dream of what is soon to be!
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    Got my baby in. Went for a spin outside. man its awesome.

    I made the 1*10 conversion with wolf tooth and 16t. Very fun bike. Gotta mess with pressures. I'm at 10 and it felt bouncy and tramlined on the pavement. I cant wait for the trails! Pics below.

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    Brilliant! Thanks. This is great therapy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tonggi View Post
    Got my baby in. Went for a spin outside. man its awesome.

    I made the 1*10 conversion with wolf tooth and 16t. Very fun bike. Gotta mess with pressures. I'm at 10 and it felt bouncy and tramlined on the pavement. I cant wait for the trails! Pics below.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 13eard View Post
    updated

    med 17.5 nighttrain today.
    started at 33lbs.. down to 30lb 3oz w/o pedals
    new seat charge spoon (-105)
    new tubes Q superlight 2.4-2.75 245g each / stock 600g each (-705g)
    new grips -wcs foam (-40g)
    removed plastic crap/ reflectors (-110g)
    1x - ditched front shifter and front derai added RF NarWid 30t (-325g)

    What did you use to weight this? Tonggi below has about the same modifications as you except for the seat, and he gets 34.2lbs (assuming "tubes" means "light tubes"). You get 30.2 lbs. Even if his tubes were a tad heavier around 350g each, that's only 1/2 lb heavier than you.

    I'm just living vicariously through you guys as mine is still "stuck in customs" with no update from BD at all.

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    I re weighed it. I put myself in first. Then I weighed with bikeCame out to 35.4 pounds. That is with the pedals. the 34 was WITHOUT pedals.When I say tubes. I mean the tubes that came with the bike. The stock ones. So maybe if I go tubeless it will be 1-2 lbs less? Also maybe add half a lb because I gorilla taped one wheel.

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    all my gram weights are done with a mail scale.. the bike was being weighed with a dial fish scale lol.. ive compared the fish scale to other scales and its usually on.
    also once I added up and minused the stuff I took off. the fish scale showed the correct lower weight.. so maybe the start is off.. but I def lost 2.8lbs+

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    Quote Originally Posted by 13eard View Post
    im 510.5 in socks.. 6ft in shoes.. wear 32in seam pants.

    frame geo matches my moto titanium fly.
    im kind of inbetween sizes.. m-L.
    I usually go with the smaller bike.
    both bikes have a fairly long top tube.. I don't feel cramped.
    fat and 29 are gonna have longer chain stays.. if I was on a 26.. id want a L

    Thank you for the input. I'm 5'11" and 33" inseam and I ordered. 17.5", tried to change it to a 19" Large and there are none. I don't want to regret a bike that is too small. I ride a Stumpjumper FSR 29er in Size Large right now, it is big not not too big for me.

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    Thanks! I ask because I have broken 8 frames since 2005...almost all at the top tube seat tube junction or just in front, and all on non reinforced or non gusseted designs...

    Quote Originally Posted by Destr0 View Post
    I am probably pushing 260 with all my gear - 240 without shoes. :-) I ride with a camelback stuffed with tools N spares for both me and my 9 year old son.

    I have zero fears of destroying this frame, I thrash a Moto 29er hardtail - broken nothing on the bike that wasn't 100% my fault in about 1500 miles. :-)

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    I have broken two frames myself - one a GT Karakoram that was used and abused, the other was a Trek 9800 carbon bike that cost me $2500 or so back in 1994 or so. Broke it on the first ride and Trek replaced it with a brand new Y frame - they said I would just break another carbon bike. :-)

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    as stated before.. motobecane are kinesis frames.. the titanium ones are by ORA..

    kinesis makes a ton of companies frames..
    from wiki
    Brands also manufactured by Kinesis include Diamondback Bicycles, Felt Bicycles, GT Bicycles, Schwinn, Jamis, K2, Raleigh, Trek, Kross and Kona as well as the brands marketed by the U.S. company Bikesdirect.com: Motobecane USA, Dawes USA, Cycles Mercier, Windsor America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broohaha View Post
    Mr. UPS delivered as promised. Needless to say, I was kinda stoked...

    Figured some people might want additional pics (even if I only have the black, non-bluto...) A couple rubs on the paint from shipping, but everything came clean with a little clear coat safe compound.

    Also, did the same weighing technique as with luggage. (Typical scale, by yourself, then with luggage/bike in hand.) Came in at 34 lbs even. It's a digital scale, but... I'd still take it with a grain of salt. Definitely heavier than I had hoped for a Medium/17.5.
    - Regarding weight, here are the component tweaks I made:
    1. Old Thompson Elite seat post I had around
    2. Different WTB seat (guessing it's a couple grams lighter)
    3. DMR Flat Pedals (400g for the pair)
    4. ODI grips
    5. Hope seat post clamp

    So... probably not too much different than what others will weigh.

    Rides great. Minor tweaks on front caliber positioning. Shifting very clean. Definitely have to check the tire pressure though. They're like rocks.

    Tip: I was an idiot and promptly ignored the spacers that are literally tied to the front wheel. Put them on your hub before installing. (Keep the front caliper bolts loose before putting the front wheel on. Get the front wheel on, apply front brake pressure to set positioning, then tighten. I'm not an expert, so I guess people will correct my approach as necessary. But it worked like a charm for me. No tweaking of discs needed.)

    Looking forward to my first proper ride tomorrow.

    Hope everyone's bikes arrives in the same shape as mine.

    Yes, it looks bad, but it cleaned up with 10 seconds of clear coat safe compound.
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    Is it just me or do the rim holes look larger on the rear rim than the front?

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    Do I have to take apart and grease the hubs? I've never done that.
    Somehow with all the anticipation, my mind went blank when it arrived last night at 7pm. I didn't even know what to do with it. So I got up early and put it together. I only greased one side of the bottom bracket because I couldn't get the drive side to come out. This is an awesome looking bike. The pictures stink.
    Hmmm I wonder what's in that little box?

    Do people cut down the seatpost? Mine is hitting the bottle hanger bolts.

    Here's Sturgis Bullet 17.5 in White. Better pictures later in the day.

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    Ugh, does that mean the bottom bracket ISN'T greased? How is BikesDirect still making the same mistakes?

    And not to insult your bike knowledge or anything, but just making sure you know about the reverse threading...

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    I have little knowledge to insult, I'm really a newbie when it comes to bikes. Most of my riding was over 30 years ago and we didn't have to do anything with our bikes back then except ride them. I went to grease it because I thought that was what I was supposed to do, unless it isn't important on external BBs. Easier to grease it than research it. So away I went. I didn't want to force it though to get the drive side out. Don't want to do more damage than good.
    I do know about the left threads on the BB and the pedals. Just like the lug nuts on my old Barracuda.

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    Here's mine with a touch of gold.

    Bike shipped with rear derailleur hitting the spokes and front derailleur way off. Bummer.

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    No one has posted and red color Sturgis Bullets, has anyone received one yet? That is what I am waiting for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pearsth View Post
    Here's mine with a touch of gold.

    Bike shipped with rear derailleur hitting the spokes and front derailleur way off. Bummer.

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    Gold accents are baller! What'd ya use for rim strips, process?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pearsth View Post
    Here's mine with a touch of gold.

    Bike shipped with rear derailleur hitting the spokes and front derailleur way off. Bummer.

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    Looks awesome. Finally a matte black with Bluto, and he's made it look too cool to know what mine will look like.

    Quote Originally Posted by ETChipotle View Post
    I have little knowledge to insult, I'm really a newbie when it comes to bikes. Most of my riding was over 30 years ago and we didn't have to do anything with our bikes back then except ride them. I went to grease it because I thought that was what I was supposed to do, unless it isn't important on external BBs. Easier to grease it than research it. So away I went. I didn't want to force it though to get the drive side out. Don't want to do more damage than good.
    I do know about the left threads on the BB and the pedals. Just like the lug nuts on my old Barracuda.
    So... were the threads dry? I think a lot of us are dying to know. I only have a GXP bottom bracket wrench, I think... and I've never pulled cranks with that style before. I just don't want to get into a frustrating ordeal (like it always becomes) for no reason.

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    no update on shipping label on my 17.5 nighttrain bluto. Still stuck in customs and not even an update. This sucks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by siv View Post
    Gold accents are baller! What'd ya use for rim strips, process?
    One wrap of Gold Duck Tape.

    http://www.amazon.com/Duck-280748-Me...gold+duck+tape

    Then, two wraps of 3M Transparent tape.

    http://www.amazon.com/3M-Transparent...otch+duct+tape
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    Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    Do these not have external cup bottom brackets?

    Also...... Anyone get shots of the front end caps?


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    That looks really cool. Looks like you were up late putting it together. My NT Bullet arrives Monday. More pics when finished please!

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    Here's mine with a touch of gold.

    Bike shipped with rear derailleur hitting the spokes and front derailleur way off. Bummer.

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    Looks awesome. Finally a matte black with Bluto, and he's made it look too cool to know what mine will look like.


    So... were the threads dry? I think a lot of us are dying to know. I only have a GXP bottom bracket wrench, I think... and I've never pulled cranks with that style before. I just don't want to get into a frustrating ordeal (like it always becomes) for no reason.
    Okay when you put it that way, the threads looked dry to me. There were some flakes that looked like dried up threadlock or something. I greased up the non-drive side threads. I'm using a park BBT-9, and that fits right.

    Also, below I've attached pictures of the front spacers, leaning up against the QR Tube (QR lever to the right).

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    It sounds like the NT Bullet needs a thorough going over. I'm checking my tools box. I've got a Park BBT-9. Any other specific tools you had to use?

    Quote Originally Posted by ETChipotle View Post
    Okay when you put it that way, the threads looked dry to me. There were some flakes that looked like dried up threadlock or something. I greased up the non-drive side threads. I'm using a park BBT-9, and that fits right.

    Also, below I've attached pictures of the front spacers, leaning up against the QR Tube (QR lever to the right).

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    One last picture of the spacersMotobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread-spacers3.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailwerks View Post
    Do these not have external cup bottom brackets?
    Here's what it has:
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    That's the tool I have, I guess I'll grease bottom bracket and headset. Probably no chance of riding this thing the day it's delivered...

    Spacers look like they are adapting a 135mm hub to the 150mm spacing. That's so stupid. Big letdown.

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    Did one roll of the colored duct tape do it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ETChipotle View Post
    Okay when you put it that way, the threads looked dry to me. There were some flakes that looked like dried up threadlock or something. I greased up the non-drive side threads. I'm using a park BBT-9, and that fits right.

    Also, below I've attached pictures of the front spacers, leaning up against the QR Tube (QR lever to the right).

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    Thanks for the photos. So, you have the aluminum for not the bluto? This may be specific to this fork?


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    Apparently spacers come with Bluto and non-Bluto bikes. Why didn't they just make the rigid fork 135, they're non selling them aftermarket? Saw a Trek Farley today, kinda wish I went with a bike that was 135/170, cleaner, no spacers everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewZorn View Post
    That's the tool I have, I guess I'll grease bottom bracket and headset. Probably no chance of riding this thing the day it's delivered...

    Spacers look like they are adapting a 135mm hub to the 150mm spacing. That's so stupid. Big letdown.
    You bought a cheap bike...and it's a let down that there are some cheap parts on it?
    Now that's stupid

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    Re: Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    That 150mm hub was specifically listed in the specs, and has been on cheaper models from BD. It's a bait and switch, and some disappointment is warranted.

    That said, it's not a critical difference, and it doesn't make sense to spec a 135 fork. That would turn away people who want the option to upgrade later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailwerks View Post
    Did one roll of the colored duct tape do it?


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    Yes and there is some left over. Not sure how much as I don't want to unroll it to see.
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    So, for those tracking weights -

    Nigh Train Bullet 17.5 - 32 lbs 9 oz including platform style pedals with clips (nothing fancy). Weighed with a Park Bike scale, not bathroom scale shenanigans.

    What I changed so far:

    Replaced rim strips with duct tape (one wrap of color, then two wraps of clear)
    Q-Tube SL 2.4 - 2.7
    I put on some gold bling, but nothing titanium, so let's call that a wash.

    I think there is easily another 2-3 pounds to be saved - seat, seatpost, bars, stem, and lightweight pedals. Especially if you go carbon on the cockpit. After that, not sure what else to go after that wouldn't be a significant change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ETChipotle View Post
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    Without measuring, these could either be proper "end caps" that cover the bearing/axle, or they could be "spacers" to make a 135mm hub 150mm. Given that there are o-rings and lips on the inside of these "cups", I would say they are actually 150mm x 15 end caps/cups and NOT 7.5mm spacers. I would guess that the hub's axle rests on the I.D. of that and sits flush with the end cap. If that's the case, this is a proper 150mm hub.

    As we see from the Lurch close-up shots, the bearing is exposed when the end caps are removed and there is a recess between hub shell and axle. So this would make me think that's where the O.D. of these end-caps shown would sit.

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    Anyone going to try tubeless? Also, Pearsth, I'm sorry if this is a dumb question but when you put the gold duct tape around it, doesn't the sticky side face the open air. Is there any concern for stuff getting stuck to it while biking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pearsth View Post
    So, for those tracking weights -

    Nigh Train Bullet 17.5 - 32 lbs 9 oz including platform style pedals with clips (nothing fancy). Weighed with a Park Bike scale, not bathroom scale shenanigans.

    What I changed so far:

    Replaced rim strips with duct tape (one wrap of color, then two wraps of clear)
    Q-Tube SL 2.4 - 2.7
    I put on some gold bling, but nothing titanium, so let's call that a wash.

    I think there is easily another 2-3 pounds to be saved - seat, seatpost, bars, stem, and lightweight pedals. Especially if you go carbon on the cockpit. After that, not sure what else to go after that wouldn't be a significant change.

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    So 32lbs 9oz with pedals, but with Qtube SL and rim-strip mod. The Q-Tube SL's are worth 700g as per below, and rim strip mod...let's call it another 50G per wheel, so 800g total. Assuming 1 lb pedals. So we're talking about 33lb 6oz. stock/out-of-the-box, without pedals. That's very light.

    As you noted, carbon cockpit, lighter seat, lighter cassette (XT is worth about 4-5oz), 1x (worth about 12-14oz), Crankset (Turbine Cinch worth about 5-7 oz. Next SL worth about 8-12 oz.). There's still 2-3 lbs without going too crazy.

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    Still no email or tracking action for me. I called the number and their was politely zero information as to when they may be released..but...

    While all you 'lucky' ones play with your toys and bore of them while nick-picking and considering what tire/crank/handlebar/etc will make it better I am still basking in that Christmas-eve anticipation of my sweet KTM orange Sturgis with Samox 2x cranks, semi-knobby tires, and a possible 135mm spaced front hub.

    Hopefully others are also enjoying the painful wait.

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    Whenever someone gets their hands on a small, I'd love to see a good toe overlap picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neons97 View Post
    Without measuring, these could either be proper "end caps" that cover the bearing/axle, or they could be "spacers" to make a 135mm hub 150mm. Given that there are o-rings and lips on the inside of these "cups", I would say they are actually 150mm x 15 end caps/cups and NOT 7.5mm spacers. I would guess that the hub's axle rests on the I.D. of that and sits flush with the end cap. If that's the case, this is a proper 150mm hub.

    As we see from the Lurch close-up shots, the bearing is exposed when the end caps are removed and there is a recess between hub shell and axle. So this would make me think that's where the O.D. of these end-caps shown would sit.
    I believe those are only end caps and not 7.5mm spacer conversions. I have ones very similar for my hope hoops pro 2 evo front hub on my hard tail 29er that convert the hub from quick release to 20mm thru axle. With those, I popped out the qr end caps and popped on the end caps and was able to use to 20mm thru axle of my fork.

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    Anyone know if these are compatible with an angleset?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silvbullit View Post
    Still no email or tracking action for me. I called the number and their was politely zero information as to when they may be released..but...

    Hopefully others are also enjoying the painful wait.
    I am in the same boat...or packing container as the case may be...with you . No info and tracking tag still voided.

    Here's to hoping that there is some news next week about the remaining bikes needing to be shipped. Not holding my breath .

    The way this wait is going for me, the Framed Alaskan Carbon frame I ordered will be ready before my NTB ships

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnThaCouch View Post
    I am in the same boat...or packing container as the case may be...with you . No info and tracking tag still voided.

    Here's to hoping that there is some news next week about the remaining bikes needing to be shipped. Not holding my breath .

    The way this wait is going for me, the Framed Alaskan Carbon frame I ordered will be ready before my NTB ships
    I'm in the same boat. With this new "customs" delay, these bikes will end up being a full month (or more) late from their original date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neons97 View Post
    I'm in the same boat. With this new "customs" delay, these bikes will end up being a full month (or more) late from their original date.
    Yep. There's nothing they PROBABLY could do about it but I am wishing BD would offer some sort of consolation/peace offering (too redundant? ) for those of us waiting so long.

    First was the "we might not have enough parts" delay now the "our containers got stuck in customs" delay.

    I pre-ordered way back in July. They've had my money almost 4 months and still no bike. I know they are good for it as the bikes are shipping but it is b pretty unreasonable for a company to expect a customer to wait 4 months for delivery for a product.

    Rant off/

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnThaCouch View Post
    Yep. There's nothing they PROBABLY could do about it but I am wishing BD would offer some sort of consolation/peace offering (too redundant? ) for those of us waiting so long.

    First was the "we might not have enough parts" delay now the "our containers got stuck in customs" delay.

    I pre-ordered way back in July. They've had my money almost 4 months and still no bike. I know they are good for it as the bikes are shipping but it is b pretty unreasonable for a company to expect a customer to wait 4 months for delivery for a product.

    Rant off/
    I really don't think there's this "custom's" delay. I'm beginning to think it's just an excuse. Honestly, how many containers of these bikes did they get? Just two? And one got stuck in customs with some "new 29" wheels that fit these frames"? We should be seeing/hearing about a LOT more people with their bikes if only one container was held up.

    Also, they keep on claiming that they have told their freight forwarder that these containers are a hot-rush. Well...I've done a little bit of logistics in the past and while a rush can be put on, there's usually a cost associated with rushing. I'm starting to think that the bikes were later than they thought, both leaving the factory, at sea, through the port and railheads. So they only "paid" for the rush on one container, just to meet their November 10th deadline, and then the rest are coming their merry/delayed way, and all-the-while, they are just blaming the rest on customs delays which none of us have any evidence to be able to refute. Think about it..if virtually every single bike on that container is pre-sold, and I have 100% of the customer's money...I don't have any more to sell, I don't have risk of missing the season, and competitors aren't going to steal my customers away...then why would I PAY to have those containers rushed at my own expense?

    It's one thing to ask your forward to rush the container out of the goodness of their heart. It's likely another thing to actually do something about getting them rushed by paying the fee likely associated with a rush at this time of year.

    And...as long as I have absolutely no more communication and sit living vicariously over those who received theirs...I'll keep dreaming up these scenarios...

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    Maybe we need to start a "Bikes Direct X-Files" Thread...for all the conspiracy theories we can dream up between now and the time our bikes are delivered.

    neons97 is off to a great start. With the little that the phone ladies know about the orders (telling me mine was shipping "today" and so sure about it) to how everyone is so "on script" with the exact same wording as the email to all of us...something is not smelling right about this delay

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbum1 View Post
    Anyone going to try tubeless? Also, Pearsth, I'm sorry if this is a dumb question but when you put the gold duct tape around it, doesn't the sticky side face the open air. Is there any concern for stuff getting stuck to it while biking?
    Do some searches for Tubeless and you will see how to do the rim tape. Basically, you apply the tape "sticky side up" so the colored side shows through the holes. then, you go over the sticky tape with more layers of tape - sticky side to sticky side. That is why I bought the clear tape. Seemed to be the lightest tape from what I read and just as strong as regular duck tape. That went down in two strips and stuck 1/2 to the gold tape (again, sticky side) and half to the rim for each strip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pearsth View Post
    Here's mine with a touch of gold.

    Bike shipped with rear derailleur hitting the spokes and front derailleur way off. Bummer.

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    Looking good! Glad that tire worked out for you!

    :-) Did a nice 10 mile ride today on my Sturgis Bullet (and my son rode his new Salsa Horsethief for the first time as well).
    Bike tore up the single track - had a lot of fun, better on the leaf covered slick hard pack than my 29er has been on the last couple rides. Messed with tire pressures a bit and liked the ride out of the pressures I tried with about 15 up front and rear at 10 - 135PSI in the Bluto. Bluto feels a bit squishy still - my new bottomless tokens will be here next week.
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    There is some competition. I have an On One 456 EVO that is a blast and the build quality is great. I was damn close to getting the On One fatty instead of this but I fell victim to the parts spec of the moto. Typical. If the customs wait gets real dodgey than I will cough up the extra mula and gladly get the On One.

    I am with neons... Customs is just not going to hold containers for long at all during this time of year especially. Maybe a day or two. A typical container is the size of a railroad car which is similar in size to an 18-wheeler trailer. Many many moons ago I worked for UPS unloading boxes at 4 am and it took me much less than an hour to unload a semi by myself containing nothing but boxes. A bunch of bike boxes is simple. They are just going to MAYBE crack a couple open to make sure some kids don't pop out and then check the packing sheet. Done.

    There are only so many ports that these would come in and I would like to do some digging to follow the trail that these take.

    Either way, there is no real reason for me to complain until November 12 comes and goes as that is the last day that BD expressed that they may be shipped.

    We will see.

    As soon as I get mine I am stripping it to the frame to weigh and then build back up the right way to put all this weight stuff to bed. The frame probably weighs 5.5 pounds and the rest is moot. The parts are what they are and the frame is decent enough to upgrade and keep for years. I am the most stoked on the progressive geometry more than anything. I am hoping that this slays the downhills for a fatty.

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    I really feel for those that are waiting on their delivery and hope the wait is not much longer.
    I work with customs and can tell you by first hand experience that extended delays are not common but do happen. When I say extended I mean 2 to 3 weeks. The typical hold is a day or two.
    They can hold it for inspection of goods by a simple paper trail check...
    They can send the container for on site X-ray which can take several hours to as much as a day or more depending on their volume at the time.
    They can send the container to an off site inspection facility were they will unload the entire thing sometimes by hand looking for God knows what, but the delay isn't usually that lengthy...maybe a day could be more.
    The containers we normally use are 40 ft boxes but I have to assume that the bikes are not palletized so unloading and reloading one by hand takes a while but again a days time maybe more. By the way is were some damage is often made to the shipment.(Not allways UPS's fault)
    Every inbound shipment has to have pre-authorization submitted to customs before it arrives which means a heads up that its coming and what it is carrying...24 hours typically. We have had to wait days for approval of submitted paperwork for entry. When a container is not properly processed from day one of its journey to its arrival at the border or port all hell breaks loose and a long hold can incure. We have had shipments held for a day waiting on a guard to simply open a gate to let them threw...Im not kidding.
    So if you add up all thats involved getting your bike to your door, and the delays that happen.. a day here...another day there.. you can see it simply is a delay no more no less.
    Im not defending BD or trying to disprove conspiracy theories just getting in on the conversation hoping those still waiting get their bikes and get out riding!
    On a different note my 17.5 Night-Train non Bluto going 1x10, Standard Q-tubes not Super-Lite which by the way work fine for me, different seat comes in at 33.4 pounds.
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    Also factor in that this is the busiest time of year for imports. If you've been following the news, the California ports are experiencing delays of several weeks and shipments are being diverted to the east coast. One mistake on the paperwork and these containers can sit for weeks. I feel they've been pretty open with the info. If you look around at some of the other fatbikes coming in at this time like Framed/Surly/Salsa, they've all been hit with repeated delays. This is what happens when you use contract manufacturing half a world away for something where demand is greater than supply.

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    Thats a good lookin fatty...but of course the view beyond is what it's all about. glad I ordered the black NTB. Hope customs lets go soon......

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    Went for a first ride. I think I had too low of a pressure. I flatted. Definitely need a 30t up front. Need to go tubeless asap.

    Not a fan of the long stem as well. Otherwise brakes were great and bike was awesome. Gotta fix tire pressure and work on cadence to bounce less

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    Quote Originally Posted by silvbullit View Post
    Customs is just not going to hold containers for long at all during this time of year especially. Maybe a day or two. Many many moons ago I worked for UPS unloading boxes at 4 am and it took me much less than an hour to unload a semi by myself containing nothing but boxes. A bunch of bike boxes is simple. As soon as I get mine I am stripping it to the frame to weigh and then build back up the right way to put all this weight stuff to bed. The frame probably weighs 5.5 pounds and the rest is moot. The parts are what they are and the frame is decent enough to upgrade and keep for years. I am the most stoked on the progressive geometry more than anything. I am hoping that this slays the downhills for a fatty.
    I gotta go with this^^
    I also worked at UPS in little Dover, NH and the preload a.m. shift of about 20 handlers would routinely empty 6-10 semi loads in about 5 hours! I mean how many train cars does Customs need to inspect over a 7 day period to HOLD THIS UP??
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    Quote Originally Posted by NH Mtbiker View Post
    I gotta go with this^^
    I also worked at UPS in little Dover, NH and the preload a.m. shift of about 20 handlers would routinely empty 6-10 semi loads in about 5 hours! I mean how many train cars does Customs need to inspect over a 7 day period to HOLD THIS UP??
    Where I work we routinely unload 5-10 containers and Dry Vans(53 and 48 foot regular semi trailors) an hour and I can tell you there is no comparing regular distribution handling to customs methodology when it comes to handling of goods for inspection. You are on their timeline and thats it.
    We have had containers held for weeks with no apparent justification for the delay. It sucks but that is just the way things are at are borders and ports these days.

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    Oh I hear ya... I just need to vent my frustration. Nobody in Customs cares that impatient riders are waiting for their bikes to arrive. Just part of the pain of waiting so long and having it SO close to arrive...sucks is right!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NH Mtbiker View Post
    Oh I hear ya... I just need to vent my frustration. Nobody in Customs cares that impatient riders are waiting for their bikes to arrive. Just part of the pain of waiting so long and having it SO close to arrive...sucks is right!
    Absolutely agree with you...Im sitting here with my bike 5 feet from me while I type. Easy for me to say just be patient

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    Quote Originally Posted by car_nut View Post
    Also factor in that this is the busiest time of year for imports. If you've been following the news, the California ports are experiencing delays of several weeks and shipments are being diverted to the east coast. One mistake on the paperwork and these containers can sit for weeks. I feel they've been pretty open with the info. If you look around at some of the other fatbikes coming in at this time like Framed/Surly/Salsa, they've all been hit with repeated delays. This is what happens when you use contract manufacturing half a world away for something where demand is greater than supply.
    I agree. For the record, I don't believe there are any shenanigans going on...just customs being customs . But poking fun at BD and thinking of all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories is more fun .

    If I had my fat bike by now, I wouldn't have the energy to sit here and do all this thinking and typing .

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    Some of you guys complain a lot. You knew there was a chance of delay when you ordered. If you didn't, then you aren't paying attention to most of the threads in mtbr.

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    Re: Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by tfinator View Post
    Some of you guys complain a lot. You knew there was a chance of delay when you ordered. If you didn't, then you aren't paying attention to most of the threads in mtbr.
    You obviously don't come here much, do you?
    What would we do if not complain on mtbr?

    I think we are all WELL aware that there was the possibility of delay with the BD bikes.
    My issue with the delays are all the "false starts" I got on the delivery for my order.
    I do also think it is pretty reasonable for folks to want to NOT wait 4 months for a product to be delivered.

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    These are looking like really nice bikes.

    More pictures, ride reports, and bike reviews.

    Less chatter about shipping containers.

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    @ Destr0 - That's the first batman tape I've seen in cutouts!

    You doing the same tubeless approach as pearsth? Is that stock wheel/tire combo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destr0 View Post
    Looking good! Glad that tire worked out for you!
    Thanks again for the tire...rode some today and it worked great.
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    Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    Unpacked my 21" metal flake sturgis bullet this morning. Made some upgrades/changes with parts from other bikes i had:

    X9 crank with 28t ring
    oneup 42t cog
    X9 shifter and mid cage derailleur
    Lou on the back and Nate on the front
    Superlight tubes
    Shorter stem

    Right now it sits at 34lb with pedals.

    A few impressions:

    The frame tubing, welds and paint quality look good.

    I don't care for the paint color. It was well done, just not what i was expecting when i ordered. I was thinking it would be more grey, but i would call it a metallic black.

    Spacers on the front hub aren't a big deal to me, they do fit with a little friction fit on the existing end caps. The only concern would be losing them. I could run a rigid fork with 135mm spacing if i need to.

    Full cable housing is run through the downtube for both front and rear derailleur.

    I will probably replace the saddle and post down the road to something a little nicer but they will do fro now.

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    Re: Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by OnThaCouch View Post
    You obviously don't come here much, do you?
    What would we do if not complain on mtbr?

    I think we are all WELL aware that there was the possibility of delay with the BD bikes.
    My issue with the delays are all the "false starts" I got on the delivery for my order.
    I do also think it is pretty reasonable for folks to want to NOT wait 4 months for a product to be delivered.
    Expressing disappointment is one thing, saying that bikes direct owes you something now is a little ridiculous. Just saying, it's annoying when these threads turn to pages of UPS logistics.

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