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    Yee Haw, I found a Mongoose Vinson at my local MC Sport, 30 miles away local. It was the display model though. It has a few scratches on the rear derailleur and rear rim. Sales guy said it was from being moved in and out of the display rack since Christmas. The manager of the store said she would knock off another $50 if I wanted it, heck yea baby. Got it for $499. Let the upgrades begin, I'm stoked.
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    By the way. The MC Sports in Springfield, Ohio has a silver Mongoose Fat Bike on the rack. It's a 7 speed model. It's not a Vinson. I think they said it was a Massif, or something like that. It had 26" wheels.
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    The Argus is up on the mongoose site as of today...

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    curious to how soon they will be available at your finer big box retailers where one can cash in on promos at the appropriate time.

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    Hello, new member here, hope to find a Vinson or even a Argus some time before spring.

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    Anyone know if a Surly Fat Bike fork would work on a Mongoose Vinson. Liking those extra water bottle mounts.
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    Ok, I guess I'm being mildly lazy and not searching, has anyone experienced the squeaky tires on their Vinson?y father got one about 3 weeks ago and just recently the tires, quite literally, started squeaking. Not a bearing issue, my thoughts are from those rims. When I let all the air out I noticed the tires actually just flop around on the rim.

    Any similar experiences? Thoughts? Suggestions? Thanks in advance everyone.

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    Yes mine squeaked. It is friction between the tire and tube. Open up a bead and apply a liberal amount of baby powder. I've been doing this for a while on my road bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB29erCurt View Post
    Anyone know if a Surly Fat Bike fork would work on a Mongoose Vinson. Liking those extra water bottle mounts.
    If the steerer dimensions are the same,most any fork will work. I plan on using a Krampus fork in the summer to run 29+ and slacken the HT angle. That being said, you can add the mounting bosses to any fork with some time, patients, and the right tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowride454 View Post
    Yes mine squeaked. It is friction between the tire and tube. Open up a bead and apply a liberal amount of baby powder. I've been doing this for a while on my road bikes.
    I already powdered the heck out of them to no avail. I can get it to squeak by essentially sitting on the tire and feeling with my fingers and it definitely feels like its where the tire meets the rim. I'm wondering if a light layer of grease on the bead would be helpful or hurtful

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    Try a light layer of vegetable or olive oil and see if it goes away. If it works then find a longer lasting option like lithium or carbon. Petroleum based products may affect the rubber.

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    I don't like the idea of lubricating the bead at all, but if you are going to don't use a petroleum based lubricant. Either syl-glide or a dielectric grease would be easy to find and be inert to the rubber. To be honest I have no idea what vegetable oils do to rubber, probably nothing, but I can't say.

    Vinson has a 1-1/8 threadless steerer. A lot of forks will fit. Some fat forks are tapered and will not fit. It will be easy to find a Surly fork that fits. Most carbon or the bluto will not.

    I'm working on cheap diy fork mounts, I'll have pics up in a few days. My frame bag uses all my bottle mounting space, zip tie bottle cage shifts too much. Here's a graphic representation of that fact from the trail last night (yes, when I stopped to pee):

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    Thanks for the quick response Slowride454 and Bepperd. I may just see if there's any clamp on mounts out there on the net.
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    additional mounting point ideas


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    Thanks for posting that Scar. I guess a Surly fork would be a better idea. I notice that the Surly fat bike fork has 135mm drop out. Is that the right size for the Vinson hub.
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    Scar, that's where I started. To be honest those aren't going to cut it. The "good" ones are in the 20 plus range. Most wouldn't last 10 miles. Many wouldn't last me going over the snow berm at the end of my driveway. And they look like crap.

    What I want (and that page shows but does not sell) is something like this:

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    Which are no longer available and probably too expensive anyway. Also any seat post boss will be too narrow for the fork tubes, which are 32mm but need extra width to get around the base. I already tried with 32mm clamps.

    My plan is non-qr seatpost clamps in 34.9mm dia, which are about 2 bucks apiece on ebay (yes from china). These go around a rubber o-ring to protect the fork and make the stepped nature of the seatpost clamp flat. The o ring also allows a wider clamp that will go over the wheel boss at the bottom of the fork.

    I'll post pics when I'm done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obxmush View Post
    Ok, I guess I'm being mildly lazy and not searching, has anyone experienced the squeaky tires on their Vinson?y father got one about 3 weeks ago and just recently the tires, quite literally, started squeaking. Not a bearing issue, my thoughts are from those rims. When I let all the air out I noticed the tires actually just flop around on the rim.

    Any similar experiences? Thoughts? Suggestions? Thanks in advance everyone.
    It's the Vee Mission tires. I have a Minnesota framed and that noise was annoying as all get out. Same as you I could make the sound just pushing down on it or sitting on it. Switched tires (MUCH BETTER! Mission tires SUCK!) No more sound and the tires are WAY better, no self steer, way more traction. I'm using Framed Tires now.

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    135mm is the right size. Understand that the Vinson uses "front" 135mm hubs. These have a different disc rotor spacing from a "rear" 135mm hub. On some bikes, like the Pugsley, Surly uses a "rear" 135mm hub up front to allow the wheels to be swapped. In that case the fork will mount to your Vinson and your wheel will mount on the fork but the disc rotor won't go into the caliper.

    I think you'll have to read more about this and take a look at some Salsa forks, which IIRC have the right rotor spacing.

    Still, to drop 100 bucks to get a threaded hole is insane to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bepperb View Post
    Scar, that's where I started. To be honest those aren't going to cut it. The "good" ones are in the 20 plus range. Most wouldn't last 10 miles. Many wouldn't last me going over the snow berm at the end of my driveway. And they look like crap.

    What I want (and that page shows but does not sell) is something like this:

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    Which are no longer available and probably too expensive anyway. Also any seat post boss will be too narrow for the fork tubes, which are 32mm but need extra width to get around the base. I already tried with 32mm clamps.

    My plan is non-qr seatpost clamps in 34.9mm dia, which are about 2 bucks apiece on ebay (yes from china). These go around a rubber o-ring to protect the fork and make the stepped nature of the seatpost clamp flat. The o ring also allows a wider clamp that will go over the wheel boss at the bottom of the fork.

    I'll post pics when I'm done.
    Did you consider a braze on adapter? run about $3 from china and they are hinged, so easier to slip around the fork tubes. Available in 31.8 or 34.9 and other sizes. I used them for a few different mounts (lights, bottles, shifters) on my old bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bepperb View Post
    135mm is the right size. Understand that the Vinson uses "front" 135mm hubs. These have a different disc rotor spacing from a "rear" 135mm hub. On some bikes, like the Pugsley, Surly uses a "rear" 135mm hub up front to allow the wheels to be swapped. In that case the fork will mount to your Vinson and your wheel will mount on the fork but the disc rotor won't go into the caliper.

    I think you'll have to read more about this and take a look at some Salsa forks, which IIRC have the right rotor spacing.

    Still, to drop 100 bucks to get a threaded hole is insane to me.
    Now that brings up another question.

    If I keep my Vinson that way it is, would I be able to upgrade to Avid BB7's.

    I was thinking about the Surly forks in the way of having mounting points for a front rack for touring. I know Thule makes a rack that doesn't use any mounting bosses. I may just go that route.

    The biggest concern would be being able to switch out to Avid BB7's.

    Oh by the way, you can find Surly forks on ebay for much less than $100, new ones too.
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    yes, I have BB7's on mine

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    Sweet, Thanks CruJonez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CruJonez View Post
    yes, I have BB7's on mine
    You go with the 180mm on the front.
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    no i went back to 160's because I have avid 160's on hand and I didn't want to clutter up the post mounts on my carver fork. The stock rotors suck so I would rather run a better rotor than have the extra 20mm. I haven't ever really noticed that much difference in 180 vs 160 rotors on any of my bikes. I did notice when I ran 203's on my downhill rig. (of course they are also harder to keep from getting bent. If I were going to go bigger up front, I'd try to throw one of those on it, but I don't know if the stock fork will clear 203.

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    Cool, Just wanted to make sure the 160mm would work on the Vinson fork. Thanks again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CruJonez View Post
    Did you consider a braze on adapter? run about $3 from china and they are hinged, so easier to slip around the fork tubes. Available in 31.8 or 34.9 and other sizes. I used them for a few different mounts (lights, bottles, shifters) on my old bike.
    Yes, that's pretty much exactly what I'm doing. The difference between the two is the hinge and a braze on has a second hole. I thought the hinges looked unclean and I didn't like one more bolt to rattle loose. I bought longer machine screws to use the clamp bolt both to tighten and to hold the bottle cage. I think on the disc side, though, you would have to use a braze on, since it would be harder to slip it up. I was able to get 31.8mm seat clamps on the fork legs, but the open slit was too far open to get a good angle and use the same screw to tighten and hold the cage.

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    My On-One Floaters arrived.
    Are these tires too small for the rim, or is the rim just a crappy lip design? I have tried to mount with baby powder. I have tried to mount with soapy water. I have tried green eggs and ham. I have tried 30psi.
    about 1/4 of the tire will stay down in the lower portion of the rim...I don't understand why a rim would be shaped this way... My concern is riding in the snow / muck I will end up getting water inside the tires. I know from experience this can cause the stem to unglue.
    Anybody having this issue with floaters or other tires?
    I was thinking of wrapping packing foam through the center channel to make it flush with the sides of the rim, and then wrap a layer of tape.
    Thoughts?
    If I do this should I still run tubes on this rim?
    -Thnx!

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    I assume you tried lots of soapy water and 30 psi at the same time? In any case, I think the tire is at least part of the issue - I just put new floaters on my framed minnesota and it took lots of soapy water and just over 20 psi to get them to mount - the nates and missions that I've had on the bike previously seated no problem at around 5 psi dry...

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    I've had the Orange On-One Floaters on my fatty for a few months now. 80mm in the rear and 100mm up front... no issues getting them mounted. I thought I saw someone having some sidewall issues with the floaters somewhere? Maybe there are some bad batches?

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    Thanks for the info. I'll give it another go tonight. As much as I'd hate to send them back I might do that rather than fight with the install.

    I did try soapy water with high pressure....not a ton of soapy water, but I had things coated.

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    Maybe before you send them back and blame the tires... maybe try a friends wheels? Maybe it is something funky with your wheels?

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    OK, I might actually try this minus the cat, with tubes (...or without?)
    The styrofoam looks like it would help either way.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/one...ow-834852.html

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    mongoose Vinson-unnamed.jpg

    Finally had a chance to snap a pic of mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by CruJonez View Post
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    Finally had a chance to snap a pic of mine
    Which fork is that. Aluminum or Cro-moly.
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    that's the carbon carver o'beast

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    Quote Originally Posted by CruJonez View Post
    that's the carbon carver o'beast
    Nice.
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    From this morning's ride

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    Just throwing this out there in case anybody is having troubles mounting tires on the stock rims.

    I was able to mount the On-One Floaters. I picked up a role of 3-1/2" sill seal foam at Menards.
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    This foam fit 'perfectly' into the center groove of the rim where the tire bead was getting stuck. I then wrapped a thin strip of Gorilla tape around each side, taping the foam to the rim bead area. Then I wrapped a final wide layer of gorilla tape down the center just to get rid of any bare foam to avoid friction on the tube.

    Although there is still no 'pop' of the tire hooking into place, it no longer gets stuck in the lower channel of the rim. Just for ****s and giggles I did try two layers of foam before the gorilla tape. This made an insanely tight fit...I had to use the tire levers to get the tire on, and using a stans stem I was able to use a low volume roadbike pump to mount the tire without tube or sealant. I could then hear the foam compacting down under the air pressure. I took the tire off and on again, and could no longer mount it tubeless with just a hand pump. The foam may have pressed down and loosened things up...maybe my compressor would have done it, but I went back to one layer foam and a tube.

    For now I'm debating leaving it set up this way, or using stan's sealant 'IN' the tube in hopes of avoiding flats - and having to replace the tube once it dries up.... -or try the initial tubeless mount mentioned above with some sealant. I'm just nervous that would turn into a pain in the ass when it comes to cleaning old sealant boogers and re-mounting. That's why I moved my other bikes back to tubes - I didn't like pulling them all down from the ceiling once a week to spin the tires and prevent sealant boogers, just to have some last 1 month and others last 3 months.

    In any case there is one last snow storm coming through the mid-west tonight so I can't wait to try these tires out tomorrow morning!!!

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    I also have Floaters on the Vinson rims. It was a tight fit. I did use soapy water. I had one tire where about 3" on both sides of the tire didn't have the bead seated resulting in a dip when you'd spin the wheel. I reseated 3 times after rotating the tire and the bead just wasn't large enough it would seat correctly. I rode it about 300 yards "bad" and it was perfect after that. I've never had to do anything like this, but figured it would work itself out to the seat, and it did. Tubed tires aren't rocket science, only 3 things can happen. The tire stays down in the channel forever... or hopefully the tire flexes/stretches and the bead makes it's way out to the hook... or catastrophic failure of the tire destroying the rim and ultimately the entire drivetrain and breaking the frame in two, generally with some injury to the rider, likely in front of a minivan filled with kids who have to watch in horror.

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    1. This is quite possibly the best answer I have received. Hopefully I don't run into option 3.

    2. ....so basically all I had to do was ride the damn thing rather than install a bunch of crap in the rim.

    3. Thanks for the hanger info. Did you ever confirm the replacement? I would try ordering one of those, but I walked into a Performance Bike and had them go through a big box of hangers and find a couple exact matches. It's too bad they didn't have part numbers on them, but they fit perfectly.

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    Does anyone know of the Vinson was sold in New England? And if so, might anyone know the location of one in the Boston area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blidner View Post
    Does anyone know of the Vinson was sold in New England? And if so, might anyone know the location of one in the Boston area?
    Do you have a MC Sports in your area. I found mine by calling around last week, and I found it at the first MC Sports I called. They only had the display model left, but fine with me.

    I got to ride mine today in the 4" of snow we got last night. Road it for about 5 miles up and down the streets here in my hood, people just a looking. LOL
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    I just checked and the closest one if 541 miles Away is Ohio. Thanks for the tip, maybe I can call and store and ask

    Thanks!

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    I had to take a break from daddy duties and school work mid day, I just could not take looking out the window any more...
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    No ride like a Snow ride

    We got a blast of snow in Indy. The floaters were a much needed upgrade, but even at 4psi I was having some issues riding where someone with a beefier tire was cutting through 7" of wet fluffy stuff.

    Here is my ride - aside from the tires I spent less than $100 at a swap meet for a 9 spd drive-train, hydraulic brakes, and a saddle. Threw some SPD's on. Cut some ergo grips to fit the gripshifters.
    The 8spd crank is working but I'm trying to figure out what is compatible for when I do fry the BB or chainrings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ztbishop View Post
    The 8spd crank is working but I'm trying to figure out what is compatible for when I do fry the BB or chainrings.
    It's a standard 100mm bb shell, most fat bike cranksets come with a bracket that will fit right in. The issues you need to look out for are twofold. First, most are for a bike with a 170mm rear end and will either hit the chainstays and/or have a chainline too far inboard. There are several 190 compatible cranksets, though, just be aware there is a difference and it's poorly documented. Second is the E type front derailleur on the Vinson will really only work with something 22/30/40 or similar, there is no vertical adjustment so it probably won't work well with something like a 22/36 double (which would be ideal IMO).

    My current plan: lose the large chainring with some single chainring bolts and ride it out until more stuff hits the market. I'm 9 speed on the stock crankset with no abnormal wear and shifting that is ok. I don't shift much up front, though.

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    Finally got some snow and wanted to take my vinson to work but couldn't due to a bone head move that resulted in a bent rim. Need to re true my front and check tension in both.

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    Second attempt at tubeless was a success. We'll see if they hold air overnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scar View Post
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    great bike, rode this one the other day, and just laughed at how much fun a fat bike could be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkers View Post
    Second attempt at tubeless was a success. We'll see if they hold air overnight.
    Please let us know... I gave up lol.
    what tires are you running?

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    It's top secret...

    No really, this is what I did:

    I have and will always prefer split tube. It's always been easier to set up on every tubeless setup I've done.

    I'm running Surly Big Fat Larry's with the ultralight casing that are nearly new (take offs).

    Fit seemed pretty similar to the Mission Controls, when I tried with just a split tube, they weren't nearly tight enough try. I threw the tubes back in.

    I went into home depot looking for some 4" wide foam tape that I could use to fill up the center channel of the rim. I didn't find 4" but found some 2":

    Armacell 2 in. x 30 ft. R-1 Foam Insulation Tape-TAP18230 - The Home Depot

    I wrapped the rim with two widths of tape side by side, butted as close to the sidewall of the rim as possible, directly over the existing rim tape. Then I stretched my split tube over the foam and mounted the tires. I removed the valve core and they inflated as if they had tubes in them. This is all with a compressor. Add sealant and enjoy!

    Two notable points are that I had to remove the valve core. I tried with it in, and couldn't get enough air in the tire. This is standard practice for me, but I've had some wheels where it wasn't required.

    At the time, these were losing more air than other setups I've done. I had to keep putting air in and sloshing Stans around. After I went and road around the yard a minute, I topped them off and we'll see where they are at tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkers View Post
    It's top secret...

    No really, this is what I did:

    I have and will always prefer split tube. It's always been easier to set up on every tubeless setup I've done.

    I'm running Surly Big Fat Larry's with the ultralight casing that are nearly new (take offs).

    Fit seemed pretty similar to the Mission Controls, when I tried with just a split tube, they weren't nearly tight enough try. I threw the tubes back in.

    I went into home depot looking for some 4" wide foam tape that I could use to fill up the center channel of the rim. I didn't find 4" but found some 2":

    Armacell 2 in. x 30 ft. R-1 Foam Insulation Tape-TAP18230 - The Home Depot

    I wrapped the rim with two widths of tape side by side, butted as close to the sidewall of the rim as possible, directly over the existing rim tape. Then I stretched my split tube over the foam and mounted the tires. I removed the valve core and they inflated as if they had tubes in them. This is all with a compressor. Add sealant and enjoy!

    Two notable points are that I had to remove the valve core. I tried with it in, and couldn't get enough air in the tire. This is standard practice for me, but I've had some wheels where it wasn't required.

    At the time, these were losing more air than other setups I've done. I had to keep putting air in and sloshing Stans around. After I went and road around the yard a minute, I topped them off and we'll see where they are at tomorrow.
    Looking forward to the update... hope it works out.
    My concern is that the bead will pop off when riding at low psi. I've been running 4.5 psi on sand and 3.5 - 4.0 in the deep snow and I can basically unset the bead by hand if I wanted to at that low psi.

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    Pic from yesterday's before work ride

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    That was at Apex Park which is in Golden, CO.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ShredMaster View Post
    Looking forward to the update... hope it works out.
    My concern is that the bead will pop off when riding at low psi. I've been running 4.5 psi on sand and 3.5 - 4.0 in the deep snow and I can basically unset the bead by hand if I wanted to at that low psi.
    Here in utah, I think our snow riding is mostly over and during the summer I'll be using my vinson more as a gravel grinder. So it'll probably be a while before I have my tires at that low of psi.

    One thing is having the foam on there does tighten the bead up, and over time stans tends to glue the bead to the rim.

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    That was at Apex Park which is in Golden, CO.



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    If anyone is looking for a deal on new rubber for spring and summer I just scored 2 Kenda Juggernaut tires shipped for $87.98. They are the 60 tpi, 4.5" version with wire bead. Mountain Plus Outdoor Gear is having a 20% off deal for any fat bike products. They also have the 4.0" version for $5 less per tire. That would be 2 tires for $77.98.

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    Just went out and checked my tires. Both are holding plenty of air, the rear may have lost a teeny bit, but that might be in my mind.

    Rode it around a bit and didn't notice any issues. I still need to circumcise the split tubes, but other than that it looks like a winner.

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    Midnight run last night. Left the house at 1145pm was down at beach by 12am after hitting a few snow mounds and stair gaps on the way that Ive been eyeballing. Beach ride was awesome on way back, with the wind blowing 15-20 on my back it helped me fly through the 6" of soft soft snow I was struggling on in the headwind.
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    Ive been riding my vinson for a month now its a heck of a bike for the money. the tires are the only thing left to replace in the future but they haven't been that bad. I upgraded to a Thomson seatpost ,kore riser bar,wtb saddle,avid brake levers and wellgo magnesium cage pedals. the bike is shifting great and no squeaky noises from the tires.the headset was the only thing hard to adjust. I am a little worried about all the salt that gets on the bike as I ride to the park and bike paths via local roads.I have been keeping it lubed and I just washed and detailed so heres some photos.
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    I forgot I also upgraded to a 80 mm ritchey stem. most of the upgrades were purchased on ebay used. the pedals and seatpost were new but got a pretty good deal.some more photos.
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    Great day and super fun session today with some friends out in Cunningam Park, Queens NY ...

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    LOL, Wish I could still do that. Rode mine for about 10 miles on the bike way yesterday. Tell you one thing. These tires aren't worth a damn in the snow and ice, bought went down many times. Lucky I always kept a good grip on the handlebars. Where people skied and walked in the snow, wanted to rip the handlebars from my hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB29erCurt View Post
    LOL, Wish I could still do that. Rode mine for about 10 miles on the bike way yesterday. Tell you one thing. These tires aren't worth a damn in the snow and ice, bought went down many times. Lucky I always kept a good grip on the handlebars. Where people skied and walked in the snow, wanted to rip the handlebars from my hands.
    You never know unless you try
    I'm looking to push my Vinson to its limits to see what happens... hopefully nothing catastrophic. Hahaha.
    Tire upgrade is worth every dollar you spend. The stock missions command tires look like they'd perform well in anything but snow and deep soft sand. Unfortunately (or fortunately) for me I live in a beach location that gets snow, so a tire upgrade was almost mandatory to ride this winter.

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    OH No, I'm almost 62 now. I did that 20 years ago with old klunker mountain bike, I wouldn't even consider it now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB29erCurt View Post
    OH No, I'm almost 62 now. I did that 20 years ago with old klunker mountain bike, I wouldn't even consider it now.
    61 and still riding, that's just as awesome in my book. Keep on pedaling 29erCurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShredMaster View Post
    61 and still riding, that's just as awesome in my book. Keep on pedaling 29erCurt.
    I mostly ride recumbent trikes, and a two wheeler recumbent too. I do have a Trek (Gary Fisher) MOMBA 29er mountain bike I hit the MTB trails with a couple times a week. I also have a Surly Disc Trucker set up for touring. And of course my Mongoose Vinson now. I'm still a strong rider and most people half my age can't keep up with me on the bike way. I'm just getting slow on the off road stuff, don't take chances anymore after breaking my wrist and collar bone a couple years ago. That put me out of riding for a few months, didn't enjoy that. I'll ride until I drop, just hate starting over every spring. I hate winter months. LOL
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    I would do that ^, knowing that I had a clear line.
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    Dang it I have a well optioned Dolo and should have pulled the trigger on a Vinson when i had the chance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skamatt23 View Post
    Dang it I have a well optioned Dolo and should have pulled the trigger on a Vinson when i had the chance!
    You make that sound like there isn't going to be any more Vinson's made. Do you know something that we don't?
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    I don't think there will be any more Vinson bikes. Looks as if Argus is taking its place.

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    I do find it strange that it has been removed from the mongoose.com site?

    skota23 - you got any insight? I don"t think the port strike is a factor anymore?



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    Skota has started here and on the local (Madison) forum that more are cooking.

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    .... its just a myth. don't anyone get their hopes up.

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    I had the chance to ride a vinson this past weekend for 12.1 miles of very good single track, with a lot of snow. The track was mildly ridden with a main grove of about 8 inches wide that had been ridden. The photo attached should give an indication of trail conditions. Anyway, it performed admirably. I also rode someone's 9 zero 7 with larry tires. The Vinson's geometry is more race oriented and the steering more twitchy. Part of the steering could very well be the tires which are stock. Being wider, I would occasionally brush an edge of deeper snow and get pulled into the deep snow, which took a lot of effort to go through. It really is an amazing deal, so hopefully the rumors that it is going away are not true. Even with stock tires, they gripped, even on icier open areas of the trail system. It is a blast to ride. mongoose Vinson-vlcsnap-2015-03-11-19h24m45s18.jpg

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    .... its just a myth. don't anyone get their hopes up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShredMaster View Post
    .... its just a myth. don't anyone get their hopes up.
    I called the mongoose warranty department about a replacement part and then asked for the heck of it about the vinson and if the production run is done she said yes that there wont be any more ? Im not sure what the warranty department person knows about a bikes production but that's the answer I got.

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    I've never seen an Argus for sale on the internet or otherwise. I haven't seen a Vinson in about a month, and those seem to be what was leftover at MC sports from their Black Friday sale. It would be nice if they could make something on these frames, either of those two bikes or something else. These were unique in that they were the cheapest offroadable fat bike available, and the fact that came in pretty light was great too. Even if Pacific were to sell these under a private label or contract them for someone else I'd be fine with it. Seems a shame if they really are no more.

    Of course, it could also be a seasonal thing... though I would think there are plenty of beach riders or people who just want a unique cruiser in the summer months.

    I guess we'll see. It's a big jump (200 bucks plus) up to the Minnesota 1.0, for a bike that is pretty comparable (better tires and components, but 1x drivetrain). Really if you're in the 5-600 buck market it's BikesDirect or nothing. I've had good experiences with them but I'd rather they weren't the only show in town.

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    It is a shame that it looks like the vinson is done. there is no doubt the vinson is a great bike for such a low price point.my guess is it was a experiment for mongoose to see how well a (real) budget fat bike would sell for them making a production run of so many and then not having enough for the strong demand.it doesn't make sense. I have only seen the argus on youtube or bike magazine reviews and it looks like only overseas and not the us.the mongoose facebook page shows a room full of vinsons and argus fat bikes that mongoose employees ride around on at the Wisconsin headquarters. it looks like just a matter of time before the argus will be sold here and if its true that the argus will be 999.99 it would be a hell of a deal.

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    We have a hole container of Vinsons sitting at the LA port.
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    So how come it's no longer on the site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skota23 View Post
    We have a hole container of Vinsons sitting at the LA port.
    and What about the Argus? Whole container of those at the LA port also?

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    Not sure shinkers

    pretty sure the Argus's are on the way still, not at port yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by skota23 View Post
    We have a hole container of Vinsons sitting at the LA port.
    Only one container of Vinson's, that sounds strange. One container is only a semi load. I wouldn't think that would be much more than about 200 Vinson's.

    I'm glad I found my Vinson when I did. Come on dry weather. Can't ride around here when the trails are wet, they close em.
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    its around 450, with another right on its heals
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    Quote Originally Posted by skota23 View Post
    its around 450, with another right on its heals
    Sounds good. You wouldn't think they would pack those containers that full, fear of being top heavy for the semi's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB29erCurt View Post
    Sounds good. You wouldn't think they would pack those containers that full, fear of being top heavy for the semi's.
    That's less than 25000 pounds (at 55 lbs per bike/packaging). Add in another 8000 lbs for the container, and you are still less than the roughly 40,000-50,000 lbs a truck can legally haul (80,000 lbs gross, 20,000 for the tractor, 10-15,000 for the trailer). Not an issue.

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    Vinson is back for sale at sports authority and ***** sporting goods

    Quote Originally Posted by fotooutdoors View Post
    That's less than 25000 pounds (at 55 lbs per bike/packaging). Add in another 8000 lbs for the container, and you are still less than the roughly 40,000-50,000 lbs a truck can legally haul (80,000 lbs gross, 20,000 for the tractor, 10-15,000 for the trailer). Not an issue.
    I was surfing the interwebs today and for the fun of it checked ***** sporting goods , the sports authority and ebay for the vinson and it is back again for sale. its not on the mongoose website. for weeks when you looked for the vinson at these stores web sites it would just come up page unavailable or currently no products but looking today its back ! never trust a warranty department to tell you if a bike is still gonna be available.

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    skota23 thank you for the loaded container in port info. the vinson rides again !

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    Yup, back on ebay. Mongoose Vinson All Terrain Fat Bike | eBay

    Says, Limited quantity available. They also want an arm and leg for shipping. That's where that ebayer is making money, charging that much for shipping.
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    free shipping and 10% off for signing up for emails...

    Mongoose Vinson All-Terrain Fat Bike - SportsAuthority.com

    if you wait a week I'm sure there will be another 15% or 20% off promo that is applicable to bike purchases like when I bought mine. Total will be under $450 shipped.

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    Looks like the big D's wants a lot for shipping too.

    http://www.*****sportinggoods.com/pr...18012.12458051
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    Opps, link^ not working, wonder why. LOL
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    Quick question,

    Last week out on a quick ride by my house, during a river crossing, I went through a spot that I presumed to be shallow, that actually got dangerously close to putting my hubs under water if they weren't actually submerged.

    Both wheels seem to spin fine to me, can I expect to need to service these soon? Or are they sealed well enough to be fairly unaffected?

    FTR, the spot in the river was only 5-6 feet before it shallowed out again, so they weren't under very long.

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    Can't hurt to open the cones up, clean out any grit, old grease, water, or any other contaminates that might chew the bearings or races up. Clean the seals and regrease everything. Bout to service mine as I ride the beach frequently.

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    Seems like I feel something in my pedal stroke once in a while, like a clunk. Would the bottom bracket be loose ball bearing. Would there be metal shavings in there?
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    I'd check the BB first.

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    BB has cartridge bearings. I'd check how tight your cups are though. Mine came pretty loose and I'd get clunking when I pedaled really hard. Rotate one of your cranks about even with the seat tube, and grab both of them and try and push/pull the crank a couple of times. Rotate the other crank to the same position and repeat. If you hear a pop or a clunk, check your cups.

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    Today, I went on my first actual MTB ride let alone the first real ride on my fatty. I'm normally a unicyclist, and this was a different experience for me, and I gotta say, it was absolutely eye opening. I have not had this much fun in a LONG time.

    I love my bike, but I can absolutely understand those that are spending more money on some of these bikes. I'm toying with the idea of riding this through the summer while I put some money way, and rather than upgrade components, buy an On One once I've got some cash or break something on the Vinson.

    I just cannot believe how much fun this actually is. I freakin' love it! I must have had the biggest grin when I hit the bottom of the mountain, it was that much fun...

    I did manage to endo my bike though in a snowdrift, and landed on the right side. This caused some issues with my rear derailer once I got home.

    I didn't want to keep cluttering this thread with all of my mechanical questions so I posted them here:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/tooltime/firs...l#post11840692

    If anyone has any thoughts I'd appreciate them. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkers View Post
    BB has cartridge bearings. I'd check how tight your cups are though. Mine came pretty loose and I'd get clunking when I pedaled really hard. Rotate one of your cranks about even with the seat tube, and grab both of them and try and push/pull the crank a couple of times. Rotate the other crank to the same position and repeat. If you hear a pop or a clunk, check your cups.
    I guess I just don't have a good even pedal stroke. Everything felt tight when I did that. Thanks Shinkers
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    Not saying it isn't something else, that's just what mine was doing.

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    Crank bolts loose? Maybe pedal bearings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShredMaster View Post
    Crank bolts loose? Maybe pedal bearings?
    No, That's the first thing I checked when I bought the bike. Everything feels tight. It's just my pedal stroke. I do the same thing on my other bikes. I think my seat isn't high enough for full legs extension. Wish the Vinson's came with large frames, I have long legs. LOL
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    Forgot to add that on my Vinson, the outer ring is gonna be going to the scrap pile. I stabbed myself 15 too many times hiking through snow today and I didn't use it once (which we all anticipated...).

    I'm wanting to put a bash guard in it's place, would any of them work given they are the right BCD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkers View Post
    Forgot to add that on my Vinson, the outer ring is gonna be going to the scrap pile. I stabbed myself 15 too many times hiking through snow today and I didn't use it once (which we all anticipated...).

    I'm wanting to put a bash guard in it's place, would any of them work given they are the right BCD?
    You must be left handed. Almost never see anybody pushing their bikes from the ring side.
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    If you have a grinder ... Grind the teeth down to flat and you'll have a custom bash guard that you know fits perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB29erCurt View Post
    You must be left handed. Almost never see anybody pushing their bikes from the ring side.
    Never even thought about that...but it would be awkward for me too.

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    Where we were at, we were pushing from both sides. The snow was deep enough that it helped me to have my bike on the down hill side to lean on and keep myself from slipping.

    Shred, that's another fantastic idea I didn't think of. I've got a grinder so I'll be doing that tonight.

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    Here you go guys. This is getting close to last years black Friday deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by not2shabby View Post
    the malus is the same as the dolomite. it has a steel frame and is very heavy.

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    Looks like they went back to $579.
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    An update on my Vinson after facing some mechanical issues after it's first real ride.

    My chain was slipping in my smallest cog after the ride. I did endo the bike once and it looked like I bent my derailer hanger. Once I got looking closer, I also found that my cassette lock ring was loose and multiple cogs were moving on the cassette.

    After installing a new hanger and tightening my cassette, I'm still getting slipping. I've tried every possible solution I could come up with and have adjusted my rear derailer every single possible way it can be adjusted and still haven't solved the problem.

    It would appear that the next possible step would be a new cassette, but even then I'm not convinced.

    I'm not sure if my mechanical issues are just my bad luck, or due to purchasing a $500 bike. I'm pretty torn, I had a blast on the bike and liked it, but don't know if I'm going to be dumping money into a pit.

    For the time being I've just locked my derailer out of that gear.

    Edit: For 20 bucks I just purchased a new cassette and I'll pick it up tomorrow afternoon. I'll be replacing the stock 12-32 with a SRAM 11-32. This will be my last ditch effort before really calling it quits and learning to live with it.
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    Update:

    New cassette took care of the skipping problem. Now everything works like it's supposed to and I'm happy. Now I can love my bike again .

    Next up is to build myself a fender, get some decals for my top tube, and have fun riding.

    I did grind my big ring for a bash guard and it's pretty sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkers View Post
    Today, I went on my first actual MTB ride let alone the first real ride on my fatty. I'm normally a unicyclist, and this was a different experience for me, and I gotta say, it was absolutely eye opening. I have not had this much fun in a LONG time.

    I love my bike, but I can absolutely understand those that are spending more money on some of these bikes. I'm toying with the idea of riding this through the summer while I put some money way, and rather than upgrade components, buy an On One once I've got some cash or break something on the Vinson.

    I just cannot believe how much fun this actually is. I freakin' love it! I must have had the biggest grin when I hit the bottom of the mountain, it was that much fun...

    I did manage to endo my bike though in a snowdrift, and landed on the right side. This caused some issues with my rear derailer once I got home.

    I didn't want to keep cluttering this thread with all of my mechanical questions so I posted them here:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/tooltime/firs...l#post11840692

    If anyone has any thoughts I'd appreciate them. Thanks!
    Not on topic, but I just wondered. If you are normally a unicyclist, can you wheelie this sucker very well? I suck on a unicycle and I also end up on my back every now and then when I wheely my fatboy. But wheelies are the best! and a unicycle is a fulltime wheelie
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    Nah, wheeling is completely different. The body position is awkward and your balance is different, plus the gearing is weird to me. Basically I can't wheelie worth a damn.

    But I recently did a 22 mile XC ride on one of my muni's. Go figure...

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    Why can't the big writing on the frame be Vinson instead of Mongoose?

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    I agree. People will see mongoose on the down tube and suspect the worse.

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    Back in the 70's Mongoose BMX bikes was the bike that was winning all the races.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB29erCurt View Post
    Back in the 70's Mongoose BMX bikes was the bike that was winning all the races.
    Yeah, well, as someone said, "We don't live in the past and we'll never get there." So, when people see a mongoose on the trails, they're not too impressed.

    It would be great if Mongoose splits Walmart bikes from their good ones. Give it a new brand name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshevilleMtBiker View Post
    Yeah, well, as someone said, "We don't live in the past and we'll never get there." So, when people see a mongoose on the trails, they're not too impressed.

    It would be great if Mongoose splits Walmart bikes from their good ones. Give it a new brand name.
    I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AshevilleMtBiker View Post
    So, when people see a mongoose on the trails, they're not too impressed.
    I try and let my riding do the impressing on the trail... not the decal on my bike.
    I've been pushing my Vinson just as hard as my trail bike that costs 5x as much to build, and I've been very impressed.

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    It's too bad, mongoose's name seems to have gone the way of schwinn.

    At least with the vinson and Argus they are making an effort.

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    Aircraft remover. Two cans. You can mail a SASE to the mongoose sticker guy and he'll send you a new sticker for your head tube (google it).

    On the trails or in events nobody ever seemed to care about my 'goose, or perhaps thought it wasn't real, or were maybe too polite to ask. 3 or 4 people brought up the prospect of buying one of those at walmart and they they could bike the snowshoe trails too bothered me quite a bit more.

    No, a subtle head tube graphic for those who care enough to look and raw aluminum to non-bike people who don't look much past the tires.

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    Mongoose Rallies for 2015, Selling New High End Bikes Consumer Direct in US

    Seems like the Goose is trying to pull the company around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShredMaster View Post
    Mongoose Rallies for 2015, Selling New High End Bikes Consumer Direct in US

    Seems like the Goose is trying to pull the company around.
    That article is working on being a year old. I hope we soon see the direct to consumer bike sales it promised.


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    Mongoose Vinson down to $434.99 plus $55 for shipping. How long will it last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShredMaster View Post
    Mongoose Rallies for 2015, Selling New High End Bikes Consumer Direct in US

    Seems like the Goose is trying to pull the company around.
    Oh yeah, Mongoose is selling some high end good bikes. But I wonder if anyone buys them. Haven't seen a single one yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShredMaster View Post
    I try and let my riding do the impressing on the trail... not the decal on my bike.
    I've been pushing my Vinson just as hard as my trail bike that costs 5x as much to build, and I've been very impressed.
    And I agree...I want a Vinson myself. My point is, if Mongoose comes up with a new name for its high end bikes, customers may be inclined of buying them more. This would be a good marketing turn around for Mongoose at bringing in higher profits. When I say people aren't too impressed, I also mean they're not gonna jump and buy a Mongoose because of the name.

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    I had one of those blue candy over chrome mongoose bmx's in the early 80,s
    Mongoose is owned by pacific cycle, they already have the high end names.... Canondale and gt those are sold through a dealer network.
    Seems to me they are trying to improve the image of mongoose even after dragging it through the dirt for many years

    Did I mention I love the vinson

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    Looks like I'll be investing in a fatty with a suspension fork next season. I was having way too much fun with this bike on the trails in the snow. I guess my age is finally catching up with me. 38 and a father of 2, this daddy might have to stop boosting his fatty .... for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShredMaster View Post
    Looks like I'll be investing in a fatty with a suspension fork next season. I was having way too much fun with this bike on the trails in the snow. I guess my age is finally catching up with me. 38 and a father of 2, this daddy might have to stop boosting his fatty .... for now.
    Looks like a broken wrist. Been there done that. Have fun at therapy time, it's just as painful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB29erCurt View Post
    Looks like a broken wrist. Been there done that. Have fun at therapy time, it's just as painful.
    Correct 29erCurt. Clean vertical fracture of the styloid process. It is a chronic injury from 20 years of skateboarding. The pain I can deal with, what really hurts is no biking or surfing 4-6 weeks. And there's a clean 4' swell out front right now as well as a fresh 5" of snow from winter storm Ultima. Tough pill to swallow but I might as well get used to it.

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    Third good single track ride on my Vinson and it's still pretty awesome. So far the biggest drops I've had it on were only around 3' or so, but it's holding up (knock wood). Having a ton of fun on it!

    Biggest surprise lately has been the brakes. Considering what they are, I'm actually pretty impressed and quite like mine (sure I'm in the minority here, but whatever).

    It's cool because I've never MTB'd before getting this bike so I'm learning as I go on it. Learned to bunny hop with flats today which will increase my air time, which is awesome because jumping is the best part . Super stoked to get back out ASAP.

    I do still kind of want an On One Fatty though...

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    Hi all,

    I don't even have my first fatty yet but I created my account just to let you all know that the Vinson is on sale at Sports Authority for $463.99. I feel like a fool because I haven't gotten around to doing my taxes yet! (Planning to use some of it on a fat bike)

    By the way, anyone here around 5'6 riding one of these? I'm on the shorter side so i'm just curious about the frame sizing.

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    Mongoose Vinson All-Terrain Fat Bike - SportsAuthority.com

    20% off, free shipping, and if you sign up for email you can apply a 10% promo code.

    Should cost around $430 once said and done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShredMaster View Post
    http://m.sportsauthority.com/checkout/cart

    20% off, free shipping, and if you sign up for email you can apply a 10% promo code.

    Should cost around $430 once said and done.
    Thanks for letting me know. I already have an account, which is how I found out about the 20% discount. Hmmmm...I think I'll sign up with one of my other email accounts.

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    Hahahahahaha ... Looks like we all posted this at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edman0142 View Post
    By the way, anyone here around 5'6 riding one of these? I'm on the shorter side so i'm just curious about the frame sizing.
    I'm 5'8, 30" inseam. I'm using a 45mm stem and an inline seatpost with seat pushed fully forward on clamps. I'd still prefer a smaller size frame but the bike works for me with this setup. Only time I had issues with standover clearance was riding trails in deep snow. My feet would slip from pedals and sink into the deep snow when stopping or starting from a stop and that would cause me to crush my package on top tube

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShredMaster View Post
    I'm 5'8, 30" inseam. I'm using a 45mm stem and an inline seatpost with seat pushed fully forward on clamps. I'd still prefer a smaller size frame but the bike works for me with this setup. Only time I had issues with standover clearance was riding trails in deep snow. My feet would slip from pedals and sink into the deep snow when stopping or starting from a stop and that would cause me to crush my package on top tube
    Good to know. As soon as I get home later i'll be measuring my inseam length to see if it's over 32.5 inches (I've read somewhere that this is the Vinson stand-over height)..probably wishful thinking lol. If not then I suppose I'll keep holding out or go with a Bikes Direct Bullseye Monster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edman0142 View Post
    Good to know. As soon as I get home later i'll be measuring my inseam length to see if it's over 32.5 inches (I've read somewhere that this is the Vinson stand-over height)..probably wishful thinking lol. If not then I suppose I'll keep holding out or go with a Bikes Direct Bullseye Monster.
    I lost about an 1" standover when I upgraded my tires. Bud and Lou are so meaty and voluminous that the little extra standover I had was lost. I'm measuring the standover at 31-3/4" with Bud and Lou. That's from the ground to top surface of the top tube. And that is dead center of top tube between seat and head tubes.

    There's a dude on here who bought one for his dad....

    Quote Originally Posted by x3speed View Post
    Bike is setup for a short dude my dads 5 foot 7 with a 30 inch inseam and 6 foot 3 with a 36 inch inseam interestingly enought it pretty much fits both of us depending on how you set it up

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShredMaster View Post
    I lost about an 1" standover when I upgraded my tires. Bud and Lou are so meaty and voluminous that the little extra standover I had was lost. I'm measuring the standover at 31-3/4" with Bud and Lou. That's from the ground to top surface of the top tube. And that is dead center of top tube between seat and head tubes.

    There's a dude on here who bought one for his dad....
    I may have missed it earlier in the thread, but does Lou necessitate any truncation of the drivetrain? How are clearances (and what is limiting: chain, chainstay, seatstay)? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotooutdoors View Post
    I may have missed it earlier in the thread, but does Lou necessitate any truncation of the drivetrain? How are clearances (and what is limiting: chain, chainstay, seatstay)? Thanks!
    I have no rubbing issues at all, neither from the chain or the stays.
    I'm running 2x8 stock cranks, rings, and cassette.

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    And it's days like today that I'm glad my fatbike is a Mongoose.

    Bunny hopping in cowboy boots probably wasn't a good idea but I was doing it anyway. Feet slipped off during a landing and I landed on the top tube and bars. Tried to save the bike but it still tipped sideways to the left and ripped the rear wheel out of the frame.

    QR is on that side and I figure it must have opened it somehow. When the wheel came out the chain pulled my derailer sideways and pretty much FUBAR'd my derailer hanger (guess that's what they're for).

    Put my old hanger back on (that was bent and I straightened) and had to readjust my rear disc caliper (actually bent that a bit) but so far everything seems to be functioning okay.

    Totally boneheaded move on my part and I just hope I didn't mess something up that I'll find during a ride.

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    [QUOTE=ShredMaster;11856946]I'm 5'8, 30" inseam. I'm using a 45mm stem and an inline seatpost with seat pushed fully forward on clamps. I'd still prefer a smaller size frame but the bike works for me with this setup.

    I was also going to suggest a stem about half the length of stock !
    what are you doing for bars, the stock ones don't have enough bend or turn up in them
    they make my elbows sore

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    edman0142,
    I'm 5'6" and all I did was swap the stem for a 50 mm and changed handlebar (more for personal preference than necessity on the bar). Stand-over isn't what I would like but I have a 29.5" inseam and I make due. I have sat pretty hard on the top tube during the winter but so far no real damage to any important bits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berzerko View Post
    I was also going to suggest a stem about half the length of stock ! what are you doing for bars, the stock ones don't have enough bend or turn up in them they make my elbows sore
    750mm wide, 30mm rise.

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    Such and awesome forum. Just joined after reading through all the post on the mongoose Vinson. Made my decision on ordering one of these tonight can't wait for it to arrive. Was back and forth between Borris x7 and other bd bikes. I feel pretty confident in my choice choosing the Vinson. So thanks for posting very helpful feedback. Look forward to being part of this forum and joining the mongoose crew. Have wide variety of terrain looking to tackle here in Green Bay. Also heading to Colorado in July so lion a have to pound the miles out to prep for the elevation change

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    getting ready for spring cleaning/tune-up. Wait until you see the frankenbike 69er I'm going to use it as during the summer.


    A few new parts

    Origin 8 Headset - 95g
    Troy Lee ODI grips - 115g
    Kalloy UNO 27.2 seatpost - 260g
    Cane Creek 30.6-27.2 seatpost shim - 40g
    Specialized Henge Expert saddle - 235g
    Race Face Atlas 785 riser bars - 330g

    not pictured because I have them laying around:
    Surly Krampus fork - 1105g
    Origin 8 stem - 135g
    mis-matched set of Avid XX brakes
    Velocity P35/XT wheels

    now I have to find a Bonty Chupacabra 29x3.0 instead of the Conti TK2.4

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    For everyone's reference I weighed stuff when I stripped the frame down for spring cleaning.

    Stock frame with RD hanger - 2165g
    Stock fork with crown race - 880g
    Stock headset minus crown race - 110g
    NDS crank arm - 240g
    DS crank arm with rings - 535g
    Stock bottom bracket - 395g
    Stock seat clamp - 40g
    Stock stem - 245g
    Stock handlebars - 325g
    Stock seatpost - 360g
    Stock saddle - 320g
    Stock 8speed cassette - 355g
    Dork Disc - 20g
    Stock brake levers - 95g ea
    Stock rear wheel/tire/tube/rotor complete w/reflector - 3980g
    Stock front wheel/tire/tube/rotor complete w/reflector - 3800g
    I've posted the breakdown of the wheels weights before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkers View Post
    Just went out and checked my tires. Both are holding plenty of air, the rear may have lost a teeny bit, but that might be in my mind.

    Rode it around a bit and didn't notice any issues. I still need to circumcise the split tubes, but other than that it looks like a winner.
    Is this still working out?

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    Just got the confirmation bike should be at my door Tuesday. Very exited to test it out. Any concerns of immediate upgrades. I know tires were concern but not to worried at moment. Just want to enjoy bike and upgrade as needed. Have new bars and stem already. But any info from experience with Vinson already would be helpful.

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    Also anyone from Colorado area? Heading there for 2weeks in July looking for some nice intermediate trails. Not very skilled rider at this point but would love to ride some trail out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fattyhybrid View Post
    Any concerns of immediate upgrades. I know tires were concern but not to worried at moment. Just want to enjoy bike and upgrade as needed. Have new bars and stem already. But any info from experience with Vinson already would be helpful.
    If you're keeping the stock brakes (which work great), a new set of levers transformed the brake feel. I went with Avid FR5's in all black.

    Avid FR-5 Brake Levers > Components > Drivetrain, Brakes and Pedals > Mountain Bike Brake Levers | Jenson USA

    Ditch the big ring and go 2x8, or grind it down for use as a bash ring.

    You have new bar and stem to suit so I say go shred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fattyhybrid View Post
    Just got the confirmation bike should be at my door Tuesday. Very exited to test it out. Any concerns of immediate upgrades. I know tires were concern but not to worried at moment. Just want to enjoy bike and upgrade as needed. Have new bars and stem already. But any info from experience with Vinson already would be helpful.
    Like the other vinson owners said start with getting some new brake levers they are the worst thing on the bike.I bought my avid levers on ebay and a set cost me only 11.00 that included free shipping. the stem that was on my vinson was way too long for me so I got a shorter 80 mm stem that's been perfect for me Im 5 foot 10.the pedals that came with the vinson are not the best so new pedals are a no brainer.the stock saddle isn't that bad but that might be a upgrade for you.a bottle cage ,new grips and chain stay protector should round out what youll probably need .the stock wide handlebars are pretty good and not too heavy along with the seatpost isn't that bad so no big hurry to upgrade them. since winter is pretty much over theres no big hurry but new more aggressive tires with better grip will be a must before next winter. happy trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ntwadumela View Post
    edman0142,
    I'm 5'6" and all I did was swap the stem for a 50 mm and changed handlebar (more for personal preference than necessity on the bar). Stand-over isn't what I would like but I have a 29.5" inseam and I make due. I have sat pretty hard on the top tube during the winter but so far no real damage to any important bits.
    Thanks! It's like we could be twins...I measured my inseam and it appeared to be between 28.5 and 29." I didn't get around to ordering the vinson but I am waiting on a nice tax return so I'm definitely trying to hold out for another sale.

    I currently ride a single speed bike that's probably a little too big for me but I make due just fine. My biggest concern is singletracking a bike that may be on the taller side for me.

    Thanks to everyone else for the replies and bike information

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    Quote Originally Posted by dledinger View Post
    Is this still working out?
    Yes it is. I've been riding plenty of single track and screwing around in my yard and haven't burped yet (knock wood). I do still get seepage at the bead (just looks moist) but I haven't lost any noticeable air pressure. Still running probably 10-12 psi.

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    Good news. I hope it stays that way.

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    You guys are awesome thanks for all the input. And scar thanks i will have to hit you up. Not sure where we are going in Colorado as of now but when find out I will have to let know. Last time we stayed in Estes park and Colorado springs. So still searching where we are going but such awesome area in Colorado just don't know if want to try a new area or stick with Estes park.

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    Bonking ... not feelin' well

    Quote Originally Posted by j.rex View Post
    The fork is not supposed to be tweaked like this, correct?Attachment 948934
    So I just helped my 76 year old dad buy a Vinson. Everything looked great until I noticed the front fork is bent just like this one. I'm wondering if you have resolved yours and who you contacted to go about it. Kind of a bummer I'm hoping to figure out a quick solution.

    ...Just found Pacific's phone #. I'll have to wait until Monday to call
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    So, I'm trying to decide whether I need a fat bike or not. Don't get me wrong, I like how they look and all that. I just tried a Mukluk once on the trails. I have a new hard tail, but I'm not sure if I need to buy a fattie.

    Would you guys lay out the benefits?

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    Thanks for the weight specs.

    -I was about to order one of these suspension forks just because they're cheap on ebay.
    Cheap suspension fork for my fat bike- Mtbr.com
    At $120 shipped I thought it would be worth a try for a straight tube fatty suspension fork with QR. However after seeing that the stock fork is about 2 lbs, vs 6.5 lbs for this boat anchor of a steel suspension fork, I see no reason to add the weight. RST is coming out with a straight steerer fatty suspension fork, but it is 15mm thru axle so unless there is an adapter... I haven't really found myself feeling the need for suspension on this bike yet so no biggy.

    For those of you who had bent forks, did you get this resolved? I haven't taken mine off to look for a bend, but I did have to use coned washers to align some hydro brakes - otherwise they seemed to angle sideways a bit...maybe that's normal but it works fine.

    Off topic, but aside from the tires, the best upgrade I did was a 35mm non-QR seatpost clamp. The stock clamp was such a PITA and always let the post slide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshevilleMtBiker View Post
    So, I'm trying to decide whether I need a fat bike or not. Don't get me wrong, I like how they look and all that. I just tried a Mukluk once on the trails. I have a new hard tail, but I'm not sure if I need to buy a fattie.

    Would you guys lay out the benefits?
    I'm sure there are guys with way more experience to chime in here. I'm new to fat bikes, but here is what I have found:

    Here in Indiana it's been great for winter riding - it really smooths out the frozen ruts from people who stomp around and cut into the trails when they're muddy. That being said, Ashville trails are more rocky and don't rut up like they do in the mid-west.
    I have not found myself feeling the need for suspension on this bike here in Indiana. But if I were riding the hard stuff in Pisgah, I might try one with some squish to see how it feels. I probably won't be riding this thing all summer but at the price-point it has convinced me that I am glad to have a fat bike in my arsenal.

    There are many other pros / cons so I won't ramble on them since I'm not that experienced - but the above is at least what I've found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshevilleMtBiker View Post
    So, I'm trying to decide whether I need a fat bike or not. Don't get me wrong, I like how they look and all that. I just tried a Mukluk once on the trails. I have a new hard tail, but I'm not sure if I need to buy a fattie.

    Would you guys lay out the benefits?
    I admit my experience is limited, but I understand your perspective. Fatbikes are the most fun when ploughing through loose dirt, sand and rocks that would make you say "Oh ****!" on a bike with 2 in tires. I rode a Surly Pugsley over some very bumpy, wet ground one day. It handled it well, but was it tiring and a rough ride! Fun? Yeah... I guess. Probably too much air in the tires as well. I was then able to rent a Surly Krampus (29+) and rode it on creek trails, construction sites with loose dirt and rocks, even over bulldozer tracks. At 10 psi, it was a scream! I loved it. I realized I hadn't ridden the Pugsley in fun conditions. The low pressure really smoothed out minor bumps on the creek trails, I could go faster than with 2" tires. I swear it almost seemed easier on packed dirt than on a paved path, maybe just because the noise went away, hehe.

    I am in Texas and will not see snow, so 29+ kind of seems "fat enough" for me, but I go back and forth. I know I loved the Krampus! People do ride them on the beach. On the other hand, you have a lot of love here for the Vinson, and is far less money. I hope to find one in a store to see. I also like the Specialized Fatboy a lot and even think about Bike Direct's Boris, which is the same as a KHS All Season. I rode one and did like it. Only a little more than a Vinson.

    See if you can ride one in loose stuff with the right tire pressure. You will probably be hooked . Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    Weight isn't the reason for going tubeless. But depending on how you do it, it can be a side benefit.
    Quote Originally Posted by ztbishop View Post
    Thanks for the weight specs.

    -I was about to order one of these suspension forks just because they're cheap on ebay.
    Cheap suspension fork for my fat bike- Mtbr.com
    At $120 shipped I thought it would be worth a try for a straight tube fatty suspension fork with QR. However after seeing that the stock fork is about 2 lbs, vs 6.5 lbs for this boat anchor of a steel suspension fork, I see no reason to add the weight. RST is coming out with a straight steerer fatty suspension fork, but it is 15mm thru axle so unless there is an adapter... I haven't really found myself feeling the need for suspension on this bike yet so no biggy.

    For those of you who had bent forks, did you get this resolved? I haven't taken mine off to look for a bend, but I did have to use coned washers to align some hydro brakes - otherwise they seemed to angle sideways a bit...maybe that's normal but it works fine.

    Off topic, but aside from the tires, the best upgrade I did was a 35mm non-QR seatpost clamp. The stock clamp was such a PITA and always let the post slide.
    Bent my qr yesterday when it got full of mud. 35 mm is the correct size then?

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    Has anyone definitively confirmed the BCD of the crank?

    I believe it was mentioned 96 BCD? If that is the case, WolfTooth has just released the NW rings in 96BCD for the Shimano compact cranks. I have a ring coming...and I have a bike coming. I'll report back either way.

    I'm hoping I can get away with a 11-34 cassette with the stock RD. That'll make a halfway decent 1X8 if it all works out. Otherwise I'll go full on 1X10

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    1x8 in summer should be fine... I was struggling to stay out of the granny gear on the beach in deep soft sand and also soft deep snow.
    Quote Originally Posted by dledinger View Post
    Has anyone definitively confirmed the BCD of the crank?

    I believe it was mentioned 96 BCD? If that is the case, WolfTooth has just released the NW rings in 96BCD for the Shimano compact cranks. I have a ring coming...and I have a bike coming. I'll report back either way.

    I'm hoping I can get away with a 11-34 cassette with the stock RD. That'll make a halfway decent 1X8 if it all works out. Otherwise I'll go full on 1X10

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    We don't get snow here, so I'm not too worried. There's a fat bike race on the beach occasionally that I'll probably want to do, but otherwise I'll just be cruising the single track at my own pace!

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    you should be fine then... especially with the cassette upgrade. when beach riding the firmer sand by the shoreline was a breeze on the 1x8 set up but once I wandered into the deeper softer stuff I found myself jumping into granny mode to keep the speed up.

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    Also, BCD is definitely 96 mm.

    I'm actually getting ready to set mine up as a SS and was just out checking what BCD was on this bike.

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    Thanks Shinkers!

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    The 96 bcd is really stupid. Through some extensive searching to get all of my SS parts together, I've discovered that narrow wide are the only 96 bcd chain rings that I can find.

    So I ended up with a Wolf Tooth ring, Surly cog and spacers, Gusset bachelor tensioner, and KMC 610 chain. I'm hoping everything will play nicely together.

    My other concern is that I won't run into problems with keeping my outer ring/bash guard. Not sure if that will rub or not since I plan to use the middle ring position for my front ring.

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    Well fatty arrived today with no issues as of now after assembly. super stoked to get it out on the trails this week and test it out. As being new to fat bikes does anyone else with a Vinson have uneven seams on rims not sure if it's gonna be an issue as far as weak spot. Hoping not but after assembly can't really complain. Didn't even realize it came equipped with Sram x5 shifters. Not bad for budget fatty. Will post some pics when get all the little goodies on. Still waiting on pedals and brake levers yet a long with few other things

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    Update on defective fork. Pacific's call in customer service is great and they are going to send me a replacement fork.(overnight) Problem is with the delay's at the port they don't know when they will be in. I have shimmed the hub/skewer to center it in the crown but one leg is still bent forward from the other. We are also getting a more comfortable seat. Other than that the bike is ridable and everything else seems great. This is for my dad and we did the Dozer/Bud combo which make the bike look bad ass.
    mongoose Vinson-bent-vinson-fork-1.jpgmongoose Vinson-bent-vinson-fork-2.jpgmongoose Vinson-0331151820.jpg

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    Bike comes tomorrow....now I'm stuck worrying about a bent fork. Lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dledinger View Post
    Bike comes tomorrow....now I'm stuck worrying about a bent fork. Lol!
    Looooooooooooooooooool!

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    Don't worry It should be all good only thing seen wrong after the unboxing today was couple scuffs on rim from rubbing on frame. Nothing that isn't gonna happen on trails anyway. Thought front disc was bad but just made sure front tire was sitting in place and fixed it. No more brakes rubbing and everything seems to be dialed in pretty well out of box. Pretty impressed so far. Hope can get good ride in after work tomorrow.

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    FYI, if anyone still browsing the thread and thinking of purchasing one...

    Mongoose Vinson All-Terrain Fat Bike - SportsAuthority.com

    25% off, + free shipping, and add the 10% email sign up promo code. $391.59!
    That's killer savings. It takes a while for the email system to generate a code and the sale is only 12 hours. So call customer service and tell them to get you a code to apply for the email sign up or call them after you get the code via email and get a price adjustment.

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    Damn I used codes had 20% off still got it for 450ish but that's a steal

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    Same here for me. But this is now an insane deal for the quality of bike. Best bang for buck out there currently. And its still a low key bike somehow lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fattyhybrid View Post
    Damn I used codes had 20% off still got it for 450ish but that's a steal

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    was just gonna post about the 25% sale...ordered one!

    edit - they wouldn't honor the 10% off on top of the 25% (I even called), so my total was $435 + tax.

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    Yeah, I read the fine print... I had to push them when I called. I got rejected the first time but called a second time and the next service rep honored it. Either way you got a great deal.

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    Looks like I ordered a week early. Maybe I owe them a phone call

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    Quote Originally Posted by dledinger View Post
    Looks like I ordered a week early. Maybe I owe them a phone call
    ... worth the 5 min call for sure.

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    Bike arrived.

    Fork is DEFINITELY bent. I'd say its out of alignment between 3/8 and 1/2".

    Does anyone have the contact info for Pacific?

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    That's unfortunate. Seems to be the third bent fork on here. I say force it to work till Mongoose replaces it for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by dledinger View Post
    Bike arrived.

    Fork is DEFINITELY bent. I'd say its out of alignment between 3/8 and 1/2".

    Does anyone have the contact info for Pacific?

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    I will definitely make it work until then...even if it's a long time. I have to make them make it right, however. It's just my nature.

    Otherwise the bike is quite nice, and everything is great with it. I was iffy about X4 level stuff, but after riding for a while tonight I think I'll just leave it alone for a while and see how it goes. Seems to shift wonderfully front and rear.

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    Dang that sucks about bent fork.i heard that a lot with the bd bikes as well.dont know if it's shipping issue or poor quality control. Did anyone else notice if seams on wheels are flush. Mine seem to very noticeable. Don't know if it's sign of poor rim or if fat rims on the cheaper side just come that way. Only time will tell if its an issue. I can just picture hitting a big root in wrong place of wheel and the weld braking loose.

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    The seams on mine are fine. The front a little better than the rear, but neither terribly bad. Both seem flatter than my HL80s on another bike, which are masked with decals by the manufacturer.

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    I've been putting my wheels to the test... and they are still solid. Seams look weak but no issues here. If anyone is one is interested here is the manufacturer's link...

    http://stars-rim.com/english/default.asp

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    Also... looks like the Argus has hit foreign shores already as there are plenty of new pics online....

    https://www.google.com/search?q=mong...w=1420&bih=772

    ThaiMTB.com ? ?????????? - MONGOOSE ARGUS (Fat Bike) ????????????????????????????????!


    Would love to score one of those on a killer promo deal. Nice to see multiple sizes offered, and also head tube bored to run a tapered fork with an adapter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dledinger View Post
    Bike arrived.

    Fork is DEFINITELY bent. I'd say its out of alignment between 3/8 and 1/2".

    Does anyone have the contact info for Pacific?
    Its on the back of the black owners manual. My fear is the whole batch 500+ are all defective and that the replacements will arive just the same.

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    Thank you Fugsworth. I did not even think to look there.

    I wouldn't be surprised if there were many more than this thread has indicated.

    I took a quick glance at mine and it looked fine. It went together fine. When tightening the stem nothing wanted to line up quite right. Another quick look and I could plainly see that the fork was twisted exactly as previous posts indicated.

    I am fairly certain this is not shipping damage. Mine is virtually identical to the others. It must have left the factory this way.

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