Manitou Mastodon?- Mtbr.com
Page 1 of 8 12345 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 200 of 1543
  1. #1
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    21

    Manitou Mastodon?

    I've heard that Treks are being spec'd with this new fork from Manitou. Has anyone heard any details?

  2. #2
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Posts
    663
    Not yet, but interested and it was only a matter of time. I guess Fox will have something eventually

  3. #3
    This place needs an enema
    Reputation: mikesee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    14,693
    Quote Originally Posted by Dnek1999 View Post
    I've heard that Treks are being spec'd with this new fork from Manitou. Has anyone heard any details?

    Will be released at Sea Otter in April.

  4. #4
    mtbr member
    Reputation: solarplex's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    1,734
    Quote Originally Posted by Dnek1999 View Post
    I've heard that Treks are being spec'd with this new fork from Manitou. Has anyone heard any details?
    34mm and fits the 4.5"x27.5"
    Fatbike, XC bike, Gravel Bike....

  5. #5
    Live Free & Ride
    Reputation: NH Mtbiker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    1,534
    This is all I could dig up!

    http://www.apopkapostcardshoppe.com/...mart&Itemid=71

    Skeleton currently in progress....
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Manitou Mastodon?-mastodon_skull.jpg  

    17 Fuel EX 9.9 (in progress)
    19 FM 279 carbon gravel
    17 Stache 29+
    14 GT Zaskar 100 9r

    https://kettleheadbrewing.com/

  6. #6
    fat guy on a little bike
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    830
    sure, the minute i finally break down and buy a fork, another one hits the market...

  7. #7
    Live Free & Ride
    Reputation: NH Mtbiker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    1,534
    I hope Manitou does this fork right! If its anything like its star lineup...the Mattoc, Dorado, Minute and the fork I run now, the Marvel, it should be real good! Wondering how different it will be from their Magnum fork, other than wider for fat tires? More travel would be a great start along with a 150mm axle.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspen...-a-988106.html

    https://www.manitoumtb.com/products/forks/
    Last edited by NH Mtbiker; 06-24-2017 at 01:26 PM.
    17 Fuel EX 9.9 (in progress)
    19 FM 279 carbon gravel
    17 Stache 29+
    14 GT Zaskar 100 9r

    https://kettleheadbrewing.com/

  8. #8
    Oslo, Norway
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    801
    As mentioned above, wait and see until Sea Otter

  9. #9
    Harmonius Wrench
    Reputation: Guitar Ted's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,254
    The tire clearance is supposed to be "more than RS Bluto".
    Riden' an Smilin'
    Guitar Ted

    Blog
    RidingGravel.com

  10. #10
    turtles make me hot
    Reputation: NYrr496's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    11,012
    I'm hoping it has fatter stanchions than Bluto.
    I like turtles

  11. #11
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Swerny's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Posts
    2,044
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    sure, the minute i finally break down and buy a fork, another one hits the market...
    hmmmm...I have a BNIB Bluto to install too...maybe I will wait it out.

    a wider version of the Magnum? The Magnum was factory on the Stache but it's pretty expensive aftermarket.
    Mike
    Toronto, Canada
    2019 Scott Foil 10 Disc
    2019 Norco Search XR Steel
    2017 Trek Farley 9.6

  12. #12
    mtbr member
    Reputation: solarplex's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    1,734
    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    The tire clearance is supposed to be "more than RS Bluto".
    Obvious if it fits the 27.5x4.5" tire.
    Fatbike, XC bike, Gravel Bike....

  13. #13
    Ambassador of Chub
    Reputation: Smithhammer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    2,823
    As far as a name for a fat fork goes, "Mastadon" wins, hands-down.

    Looking forward to seeing more on this one. So far, the other options have left me a little meh.
    Last edited by Smithhammer; 03-02-2017 at 08:27 PM.
    "The only way we can truly control the outcome of a ride is not going on it, which is a choice I'm unwilling to make." -K.B.

  14. #14
    rth009
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    842
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxelXPg961M

    at least skip to the rippin guitar solo at 2:15

  15. #15
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Will be released at Sea Otter in April.
    Which is next month!

  16. #16
    WNC Native
    Reputation: nitrousjunky's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    3,792
    Curious to see this thing and hope it is 34mm. Nice name though!
    "I ride to clear my head, my head is clearer when I'm riding SS. Therefore, I choose to ride SS."~ Fullrange Drew

  17. #17
    mtbr member
    Reputation: akacoke's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    748
    i hope it clears snowshoe 2xl tires. ill find out at sea otter
    17 Lynskey Fatskey
    07 Kona Stab
    14 Specialized Fatboy
    04 Santa Cruz V10

    My Ebay store link

  18. #18
    Harmonius Wrench
    Reputation: Guitar Ted's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,254
    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    34mm and fits the 4.5"x27.5"
    As posted and quoted from earlier in the thread, it does have 34mm stanchions according to the Trek info I've seen.
    Riden' an Smilin'
    Guitar Ted

    Blog
    RidingGravel.com

  19. #19
    mtbr member
    Reputation: akacoke's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    748
    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    As posted and quoted from earlier in the thread, it does have 34mm stanchions according to the Trek info I've seen.
    can you share a link?
    17 Lynskey Fatskey
    07 Kona Stab
    14 Specialized Fatboy
    04 Santa Cruz V10

    My Ebay store link

  20. #20
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Posts
    663
    He would have to kill you

  21. #21
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    Quote Originally Posted by MozFat View Post
    He would have to kill you
    ^ wut he said

    You gotta wait for the April release at Sea Otter, that's the way it works, keep the secret, build the excitement, then BOOM!

    I got Manitou on my Christmas list, maybe I'll send chocolates

  22. #22
    mtbr member
    Reputation: akacoke's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    748
    34mm stanchions. clears 5.2 tires. 80-140mm travel would be awsome.
    17 Lynskey Fatskey
    07 Kona Stab
    14 Specialized Fatboy
    04 Santa Cruz V10

    My Ebay store link

  23. #23
    Harmonius Wrench
    Reputation: Guitar Ted's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,254
    Quote Originally Posted by akacoke View Post
    34mm stanchions. clears 5.2 tires. 80-140mm travel would be awsome.
    Yes.
    Riden' an Smilin'
    Guitar Ted

    Blog
    RidingGravel.com

  24. #24
    Elitest thrill junkie
    Reputation: Jayem's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    33,234
    and 2.0lbs
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

    You're turning black metallic.

  25. #25
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    400
    Quote Originally Posted by akacoke View Post
    34mm stanchions. clears 5.2 tires. 80-140mm travel would be awsome.
    And seals that don't blow up in the cold...

  26. #26
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    It'll be a great fork because it doesn't take much to do better than what we have.

    I'm not a Trek fan boy, but big buying power has it's benefits.

    This is the fork we've been waiting for, hopefully more companies will follow suit.

    I'll take two please, 120mm and 140mm

  27. #27
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Posts
    1,150
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    It'll be a great fork because it doesn't take much to do better than what we have.

    I'm not a Trek fan boy, but big buying power has it's benefits.

    This is the fork we've been waiting for, hopefully more companies will follow suit.

    I'll take two please, 120mm and 140mm
    Come' on Ben. You'll ride it for a while and then it it'll either be too flexy for your new tandem or too heavy for your Beargrease and you'll be wanting something better
    ‘19 Fargo Ti
    '17 Cutthroat
    '15 Fatboy Expert

  28. #28
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Posts
    1,060
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    It'll be a great fork because it doesn't take much to do better than what we have.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I just got back from BC, I used all of my suspension, over and over, about ever fifteen to twenty feet down the trail! If I'd had a Bluto I would have skipped the advanced trails, but with the Wren I hung with the big boys/girl.

    The Wren is a solid fork, no real weaknesses, I'm not even thinking about the loose steerer. Front end wiggle is there, but you can only notice it when the bike is in a stand, on the trail it is a non issue; typical inverted fork.

  29. #29
    This place needs an enema
    Reputation: mikesee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    14,693
    Quote Originally Posted by GiantTurd View Post
    Guy I ride with has the 29+ Manipou fork, we have been riding for over 30 years, and he claims it is the best fork he has ever had. Pretty excited to get a fat one (3 in fact). Before that we both thought the Marzocchi Ti 44 140mm 29er fork was excellent and what we used as a benchmark.

    Current Manitou forks are both awesome and underrated. Funky thru-axle turns some people off, but what one fork works for everybody?

  30. #30
    TuTh rider
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Posts
    48
    Saw two in the wild here in WI last week. They were going past me the other way. Didn't realize what I was seeing at first. Looked like they had 5 inch tires and since they were Hayes employees, thinking they were riding Mulefuts - so at least 80 wide rims and there was a lot of space around the fork.

  31. #31
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    I love threads like this, so much redirected emotion, it's almost TGResque.

  32. #32
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    Quote Originally Posted by Paochow View Post
    Come' on Ben. You'll ride it for a while and then it it'll either be too flexy for your new tandem or too heavy for your Beargrease and you'll be wanting something better
    Beargrease and tandem are sold. Wren forks are long gone. Haven't you been following my feed?

  33. #33
    Ambassador of Chub
    Reputation: Smithhammer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    2,823
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    ...it's almost TGResque.
    Bonus points.
    "The only way we can truly control the outcome of a ride is not going on it, which is a choice I'm unwilling to make." -K.B.

  34. #34
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Posts
    1,150
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Beargrease and tandem are sold. Wren forks are long gone. Haven't you been following my feed?
    You have a blog?
    ‘19 Fargo Ti
    '17 Cutthroat
    '15 Fatboy Expert

  35. #35
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    Quote Originally Posted by Paochow View Post
    You have a blog?
    Sure, doesn't everyone? ; )

  36. #36
    All fat, all the time.
    Reputation: Shark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    8,421
    It's all about Myspace come on guys, get with the times.

  37. #37
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    480
    This new Manitou will probably be OEM only for now...just like the RS Pike and Yari for 29+...

  38. #38
    WNC Native
    Reputation: nitrousjunky's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    3,792
    Quote Originally Posted by mohrgan View Post
    This new Manitou will probably be OEM only for now...just like the RS Pike and Yari for 29+...
    I'm betting ( hoping!) not, they rolled out the Plus Magnums to the aftermarket crowd pretty quickly.
    "I ride to clear my head, my head is clearer when I'm riding SS. Therefore, I choose to ride SS."~ Fullrange Drew

  39. #39
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    480
    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    I'm betting ( hoping!) not, they rolled out the Plus Magnums to the aftermarket crowd pretty quickly.
    You're probably right! I just get soured on "vaporware".

  40. #40
    mtbr member
    Reputation: akacoke's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    748
    cant wait for these forks to come out.

    i hope they have black stanchions
    17 Lynskey Fatskey
    07 Kona Stab
    14 Specialized Fatboy
    04 Santa Cruz V10

    My Ebay store link

  41. #41
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    Quote Originally Posted by akacoke View Post
    cant wait for these forks to come out.

    i hope they have black stanchions
    Black stanchions are important? Seriously?

    I feel a headache coming on....

  42. #42
    mtbr member
    Reputation: akacoke's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    748
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Black stanchions are important? Seriously?

    I feel a headache coming on....
    of course its important. its all about the color way
    17 Lynskey Fatskey
    07 Kona Stab
    14 Specialized Fatboy
    04 Santa Cruz V10

    My Ebay store link

  43. #43
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2016
    Posts
    1

    Extinct

    Didnt the Mastodons go extinct?


    Quote Originally Posted by Dnek1999 View Post
    I've heard that Treks are being spec'd with this new fork from Manitou. Has anyone heard any details?

  44. #44
    since 4/10/2009
    Reputation: Harold's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    28,423
    The suspension guys at the Sedona mtb fest kept hinting strongly about "another" fork offering coming up. Even the RockShox guys were starting to hint at a fat Pike, though that one sounded longer off.

  45. #45
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    The suspension guys at the Sedona mtb fest kept hinting strongly about "another" fork offering coming up. Even the RockShox guys were starting to hint at a fat Pike, though that one sounded longer off.
    Ooooh, choices, I like choices!

  46. #46
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    349
    I saw it in person at Winterbike up in Burke VT this year. Comfortably held a 2xl.
    The guy riding it said it would blow through it's travel pretty easily - which is what I found with the Manitou Minute 29 fork I had a few years ago. Maybe that can be fixed with some volume adjustment some how. Looked good, and super wide.

  47. #47
    This place needs an enema
    Reputation: mikesee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    14,693
    Quote Originally Posted by mattgVT View Post
    The guy riding it said it would blow through it's travel pretty easily
    First samples did this. Engineers immediately noticed it. Already been addressed.

  48. #48
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    989
    This thread is giving me wood.

  49. #49
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    480
    Good thing I just sold a new in the box Bluto! My Lauf Carbonara may be the next to go...

  50. #50
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dougal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,308
    Quote Originally Posted by mattgVT View Post
    I saw it in person at Winterbike up in Burke VT this year. Comfortably held a 2xl.
    The guy riding it said it would blow through it's travel pretty easily - which is what I found with the Manitou Minute 29 fork I had a few years ago. Maybe that can be fixed with some volume adjustment some how. Looked good, and super wide.
    The abs+ and mc² dampers they use are easily revalved. Manitou even publish the dyno charts and sell the shim kits.

    The 34mm forks also have spacer (iva) systems or third air chamber kits (irt) which drop in the top.

    Happiness is only half an hour away. Maybe 1.5 hours if you need a firmer MARS spring in the minute as you need to drop the lowers off to reach that.

    Sent with 100% recycled electrons.
    Owner of www.shockcraft.co.nz, Mech Engineer, Tuner, Manitou, Motorex, Vorsprung EPTC, SKF, Enduro
    www.dougal.co.nz

  51. #51
    mtbr member
    Reputation: akacoke's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    748
    Yeah, i talked to a guy who live 5 mins from manitou HQ he test rode it. he said it was awesome. he cant tell me anything more. lol
    17 Lynskey Fatskey
    07 Kona Stab
    14 Specialized Fatboy
    04 Santa Cruz V10

    My Ebay store link

  52. #52
    fat guy on a little bike
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    830
    to add more fuel to the fire:

    just got off the phone with a manufacturer regarding tech questions on a frame. we started talking about suspension fork compatibility, and he inadvertently dropped "mastodon" into the conversation. i asked him what he knew, and he started saying it is bigger then previous forks and may have clearance issues on some frames. i then pressed him for more info, and he then said he knew nothing...

  53. #53
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    75
    Great that new fat forks are made.

    Is this somehow related ?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

  54. #54
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dougal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,308
    Quote Originally Posted by enemy1 View Post
    Great that new fat forks are made.

    Is this somehow related ?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
    Wow, great find.
    Owner of www.shockcraft.co.nz, Mech Engineer, Tuner, Manitou, Motorex, Vorsprung EPTC, SKF, Enduro
    www.dougal.co.nz

  55. #55
    All fat, all the time.
    Reputation: Shark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    8,421
    Boooo lol terrible link

  56. #56
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    125
    Sorry, spoiler hint.
    Hahaha, that link was funny, but I closed it in 2 seconds.
    Strange how the mind can remember music so easily.
    Now I will have that song running through my head for days.
    Totem KDS-D fatbike, Brompton M2L-X Ti, 6kg Dahon Dove, 1998 GT Forte Ti road bike

  57. #57
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    75
    To my defense I saw the link on Sharks' myspace...

  58. #58
    mtbr member
    Reputation: hello-dirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Posts
    10

    Go to your trek dealer

    Quote Originally Posted by akacoke View Post
    34mm stanchions. clears 5.2 tires. 80-140mm travel would be awsome.
    My trek dealer showed me the new Farley ex 9.8 and it comes with the Manitou Mastodon forks. The 8 does not. No specs were given though, except the stanchions are 34 mm.

  59. #59
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    9
    Sorry for the quality

    Manitou Mastodon?-img_6792.jpg

  60. #60
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dougal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,308
    Here ya go guys. Gotta warn you though. This thing is related to bigfoot and we all know how well bigfoot photographs!

    Manitou Mastodon?-manitou-mastodon.jpg

    We'll try to get some stuff up on Instagram too: https://www.instagram.com/shockcraftsuspension/
    Owner of www.shockcraft.co.nz, Mech Engineer, Tuner, Manitou, Motorex, Vorsprung EPTC, SKF, Enduro
    www.dougal.co.nz

  61. #61
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    It's out of the bag, boom!

    So I have a Bluto for sale, anyone?

    It'll probably fetch $25....

  62. #62
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    2,260
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    It's out of the bag, boom!

    So I have a Bluto for sale, anyone?

    It'll probably fetch $25....
    I'll give you $25.00 for it!
    Latitude 61

  63. #63
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    989
    Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who liked the Bluto. Mine worked great.

  64. #64
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Swerny's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Posts
    2,044
    Quote Originally Posted by litespeedaddict View Post
    Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who liked the Bluto. Mine worked great.
    yeah i was fine with it. I just bought another Bluto for my Farley. I had one previously on my Mayor.
    Mike
    Toronto, Canada
    2019 Scott Foil 10 Disc
    2019 Norco Search XR Steel
    2017 Trek Farley 9.6

  65. #65
    Rollin' a fatty
    Reputation: DiRt DeViL's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    5,863
    Was going to buy a Bluto but now I'll play the waiting game.

  66. #66
    WNC Native
    Reputation: nitrousjunky's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    3,792
    Quote Originally Posted by litespeedaddict View Post
    Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who liked the Bluto. Mine worked great.
    Good bit happier with my A3 Bluto RCT3 than I was with my A1 Bluto RL. Could be stiffer though.
    "I ride to clear my head, my head is clearer when I'm riding SS. Therefore, I choose to ride SS."~ Fullrange Drew

  67. #67
    sluice box
    Reputation: Co-opski's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    975
    Is it 153mm Boost Plus Fat rear disc front spacing?
    ptarmigan hardcore

  68. #68
    Elitest thrill junkie
    Reputation: Jayem's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    33,234
    Quote Originally Posted by Co-opski View Post
    Is it 153mm Boost Plus Fat rear disc front spacing?
    Die!

  69. #69
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    989
    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Good bit happier with my A3 Bluto RCT3 than I was with my A1 Bluto RL. Could be stiffer though.
    Mine didn't come to life until the mechanic installed the cold weather seal kit and smeared some slick honey in it somewhere, and added the correct amount of oil. I knew after the first curb it was a whole new ball game. But yeah, it ain't gonna win any awards, but I always thought it was way better than people gave it credit for to.

  70. #70
    sluice box
    Reputation: Co-opski's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    975
    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Die!
    Come on Jay. It would not be fat biking if they didn't change the standard on us now. Don't worry Problem Solvers and Wolftooth will make an adapters.
    ptarmigan hardcore

  71. #71
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    35
    Any word on msrp?

  72. #72
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dougal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,308
    Quote Originally Posted by travisjgood View Post
    Any word on msrp?
    Sea Otter will have the details. April 22-23.

  73. #73
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    Quote Originally Posted by travisjgood View Post
    Any word on msrp?
    If it does all the things they claim; 80-150mm travel, 34mm stanchions, good damping, etc... It'll be worth whatever Manitou is asking.

    I can use the $25 from my Bluto to cover some the cost

  74. #74
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    337
    150mm front spacing I hope. It looks like it but can someone confirm?

  75. #75
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Posts
    400
    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Sea Otter will have the details. April 22-23.
    Considering the last line... I agree....

    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/manito...ycle-show.html

  76. #76
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Posts
    400
    I love my Wren, currently set at 140mm... but at least there are choices between the funky inverted monster and the wet noodle Bluto...

  77. #77
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Posts
    1,150
    Manitou Mastodon?-img_0659.jpg
    ‘19 Fargo Ti
    '17 Cutthroat
    '15 Fatboy Expert

  78. #78
    turtles make me hot
    Reputation: NYrr496's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    11,012
    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Wow, great find.
    Is that seriously the video for that song? That was funny as hell. I feel slightly less manly having watched it though.
    I like turtles

  79. #79
    mtbr member
    Reputation: kntr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    3,933
    What is wrong with Fox... make a dang Fat bike fork. A 36 with 140mm travel would be the ticket. I've never had a Manitou I liked. I hope this is a good fork regardless.

  80. #80
    Elitest thrill junkie
    Reputation: Jayem's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    33,234
    Quote Originally Posted by Paochow View Post
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	IMG_0659.jpg 
Views:	2111 
Size:	106.1 KB 
ID:	1128233
    That seems whacked as ****, the MC2 has the ABS+ knob and the ABS+ has the MC2 knob? Maybe the tapewall version with the cartridge damper is 200g heavier, but that seems suspect too. And they don't even get HBO.
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

    You're turning black metallic.

  81. #81
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Swerny's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Posts
    2,044
    Quote Originally Posted by ntm1973 View Post
    150mm front spacing I hope. It looks like it but can someone confirm?
    why would it be anything but 150?

    If the manufacturers have settled on anything...it's that.
    Mike
    Toronto, Canada
    2019 Scott Foil 10 Disc
    2019 Norco Search XR Steel
    2017 Trek Farley 9.6

  82. #82
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dougal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,308
    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    That seems whacked as ****, the MC2 has the ABS+ knob and the ABS+ has the MC2 knob? Maybe the tapewall version with the cartridge damper is 200g heavier, but that seems suspect too. And they don't even get HBO.
    That sheet has a lot of errors. Just wait until Sea-Otter.
    Owner of www.shockcraft.co.nz, Mech Engineer, Tuner, Manitou, Motorex, Vorsprung EPTC, SKF, Enduro
    www.dougal.co.nz

  83. #83
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    That sheet has a lot of errors. Just wait until Sea-Otter.
    All that matters is the delivery date.

    Based on what I've seen and heard, I'd buy the Pro version today.

  84. #84
    mtbr member
    Reputation: akacoke's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    748
    take my money now!
    17 Lynskey Fatskey
    07 Kona Stab
    14 Specialized Fatboy
    04 Santa Cruz V10

    My Ebay store link

  85. #85
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    110
    Subscribing

    A really good fork and great tires in the 3.5-3.8 range on carbon rims on a dually "fat bike" is going to be the magical unicorn rainbow carpet ride. We're gonna look at 2.8s and call them skinny.

    Trek is going in the right direction with the 27.5s and lowering/stiffening the sidewalls.

  86. #86
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    889

  87. #87
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2017
    Posts
    87
    Thanks (and to everyone else who's posted news); keep the info coming, folks! Can't wait to hear more about this once extinct mammal.

  88. #88
    mtbr member
    Reputation: efuss's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    266
    Hats off to Maintou! Looks like the same tech as Magnum (Mattoc). I put a Magnum Pro on my Krampus about a year ago and have been very happy with it. Bit of a learning curve on the adjustments, but other than that it is a great fork.

  89. #89
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    41
    I need that fork for this coming summer. I had a Bluto before and hated it so now I'm riding my solid fork.

  90. #90
    fat guy on a little bike
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    830
    any speculation on price? I am going to throw random numbers out there:

    $779 for the comp and $949 for the pro.


  91. #91
    Live Free & Ride
    Reputation: NH Mtbiker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    1,534
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    any speculation on price? I am going to throw random numbers out there:

    $779 for the comp and $949 for the pro.

    $579 comp
    $799 pro
    Not msrp...just hopeful. Manitou forks usually drop down in price after awhile on the market. Picked up my Marvel Pro for $600! We shall see.
    17 Fuel EX 9.9 (in progress)
    19 FM 279 carbon gravel
    17 Stache 29+
    14 GT Zaskar 100 9r

    https://kettleheadbrewing.com/

  92. #92
    Elitest thrill junkie
    Reputation: Jayem's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    33,234
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    any speculation on price? I am going to throw random numbers out there:

    $779 for the comp and $949 for the pro.

    If I were manitou, I would charge at least this for the first 6 months/yr...
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

    You're turning black metallic.

  93. #93
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2017
    Posts
    87
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    any speculation on price? I am going to throw random numbers out there:

    $779 for the comp and $949 for the pro.

    I was wondering this myself; I'd say as MSRP those are pretty good guesses.

  94. #94
    This place needs an enema
    Reputation: mikesee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    14,693
    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    The abs+ and mc² dampers they use are easily revalved. Manitou even publish the dyno charts and sell the shim kits.

    The 34mm forks also have spacer (iva) systems or third air chamber kits (irt) which drop in the top.

    Happiness is only half an hour away. Maybe 1.5 hours if you need a firmer MARS spring in the minute as you need to drop the lowers off to reach that.

    Sent with 100% recycled electrons.

    Stock IVA is great for non-fiddling types. IRT can make 98% of the rest of us happy.

    Suspension these days is awesome -- so good out of the box, so tunable, and relatively light considering capability.

  95. #95
    Human Test Subject
    Reputation: Volsung's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    1,288
    Anyone hear a better release date than this fall? I had to give my loaner Bluto back and don't really want to buy one right before their resale value tanks.

  96. #96
    mtbr member
    Reputation: hello-dirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Posts
    10
    Again, it has been stated we will know more during Sea Otter classic.

  97. #97
    sluice box
    Reputation: Co-opski's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    975
    Quote Originally Posted by hello-dirt View Post
    Again, it has been stated we will know more during Sea Otter classic.
    what is see odder classic?
    ptarmigan hardcore

  98. #98
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2017
    Posts
    87
    Quote Originally Posted by Co-opski View Post
    what is see odder classic?
    Sea Otter Classic - April 20-23, 2017 - Monterey, California, USA (Powered by SRAM) -

  99. #99
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    3,458
    Quote Originally Posted by hello-dirt View Post
    Again, it has been stated we will know more during Sea Otter classic.
    How about now?
    Any news yet?

  100. #100
    Ambassador of Chub
    Reputation: Smithhammer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    2,823
    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    How about now?
    Any news yet?
    If tomorrow falls between April 20th and 23rd, then we should know tomorrow.
    "The only way we can truly control the outcome of a ride is not going on it, which is a choice I'm unwilling to make." -K.B.

  101. #101
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2017
    Posts
    87
    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    How about now?
    Any news yet?
    Sea Otter Classic - April 20-23, 2017 - Monterey, California, USA (Powered by SRAM) -

  102. #102
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    3,458
    Quote Originally Posted by Smithhammer View Post
    If tomorrow falls between April 20th and 23rd, then we should know tomorrow.
    Great!
    I will ask again tomorrow.
    But...just in case....any news yet?

  103. #103
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2017
    Posts
    87
    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Great!
    I will ask again tomorrow.
    But...just in case....any news yet?
    Sea Otter Classic - April 20-23, 2017 - Monterey, California, USA (Powered by SRAM) -

  104. #104
    Ambassador of Chub
    Reputation: Smithhammer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    2,823
    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Great!
    I will ask again tomorrow.
    But...just in case....any news yet?
    Good idea - tomorrow could be the day. But if it isn't tomorrow, then I think it might could be 9-12 days from now. Don't ask me how I know.
    "The only way we can truly control the outcome of a ride is not going on it, which is a choice I'm unwilling to make." -K.B.

  105. #105
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    I heard that the Mastodon was exclusive to the Trek Farley EX until 2018

  106. #106
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I heard that the Mastodon was exclusive to the Trek Farley EX until 2018
    Damn, not a nibble, you guys are tight!

    Okay, I heard that Trek stores have an exclusive on the Mastodon until 2018, so you gotta buy it from Trek.

    I'm thinking of ways to sneak into a Trek dealer, get the fork, without anyone recognizing me

  107. #107
    mtbr member
    Reputation: worldskipper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    224
    Ben I read that the Mastodon is going to be exclusive to Manitou! Talk about unfair business practices, it's a monopoly I tell you!
    Trust me, I have a beard and gray hair.

  108. #108
    Human Test Subject
    Reputation: Volsung's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    1,288
    So I'm guessing that's a no?

  109. #109
    This place needs an enema
    Reputation: mikesee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    14,693
    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    But...just in case....any news yet?

    News? I'll give you some news. I've been riding one of these beauteous beasts on the front of my Fatillac. Close to 70 hours ridden on it in the last ~6 weeks, including 3.5 tonight.

    It's friggin awesome. The honeymoon phase was over 4 weeks ago, and yet I still continue to look forward to every ride on this bike/fork. 6" of travel on both ends + 3.5" tires on both ends = braaaaAAAAAAAAAP!

  110. #110
    banned
    Reputation: awai04's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    1,167
    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    It's friggin awesome. The honeymoon phase was over 4 weeks ago, and yet I still continue to look forward to every ride on this bike/fork. 6" of travel on both ends + 3.5" tires on both ends = braaaaAAAAAAAAAP!
    So... this is better than a Bluto for sure?

  111. #111
    This place needs an enema
    Reputation: mikesee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    14,693
    Quote Originally Posted by awai04 View Post
    So... this is better than a Bluto for sure?

    If we're discussing chassis stiffness and damping quality, they don't even belong in the same discussion. Mastodon is awesome.

    Looking at it from a different perspective, Bluto might be lighter. Once Mastodon is released Bluto will undoubtedly be cheaper. If weight and cost trump performance, then Bluto might be better for you.

  112. #112
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    227
    Hope it will be available with a straight steer tube for us Pugsley guys.

  113. #113
    mtbr member
    Reputation: efuss's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    266
    @bobkorn,
    Even with a straight steerer, the crown will mot clear Pugsley's down tube.

  114. #114
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dougal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,308
    Quote Originally Posted by awai04 View Post
    So... this is better than a Bluto for sure?
    Let me check. Is a Mattoc better than a Reba?

    I had a Bluto through the workshop last week. I should have weighed it.
    Owner of www.shockcraft.co.nz, Mech Engineer, Tuner, Manitou, Motorex, Vorsprung EPTC, SKF, Enduro
    www.dougal.co.nz

  115. #115
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    Quote Originally Posted by awai04 View Post
    So... this is better than a Bluto for sure?
    That question is not deserving of an answer... listen to the crickets.

  116. #116
    banned
    Reputation: awai04's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    1,167
    Thanks for the well thought out reply, mikesee (...and yeah, sorry about the delayed response). My longstanding thought has been that a Pike with 150mm front hub spacing and 120mm travel would be a perfect balance between weight and performance for all the same reasons a Pike works better than a Reba on a mtb. If this Mastodon is even close to a Pike, then I think it would answer a lot of the needs and wants of a lot of us on this sub-forum.

    ...What again is going to be the production weight of this fork? In my mind, any fork over 4.6 lbs brings the Bluto back into discussion, as around there is where I see the fork as becoming "heavy" for anything other than the rough & steep stuff.


    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    If we're discussing chassis stiffness and damping quality, they don't even belong in the same discussion. Mastodon is awesome.

    Looking at it from a different perspective, Bluto might be lighter. Once Mastodon is released Bluto will undoubtedly be cheaper. If weight and cost trump performance, then Bluto might be better for you.
    Last edited by awai04; 04-16-2017 at 08:52 AM.

  117. #117
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    Quote Originally Posted by awai04 View Post
    Thanks for the well thought out reply, mikesee (...and yeah, sorry about the delayed response). My longstanding thought has been that a Pike with 150mm front hub spacing and 120mm travel would be a perfect balance between weight and performance for all the same reasons a Pike works better than a Reba on a mtb. If this Mastodon is even close to a Pike, then I think it would answer a lot of the needs and wants of a lot of us on this sub-forum.

    ...What again is going to be the production weight of this fork? In my mind, any fork over 4.6 lbs brings the Bluto back into discussion, as around there is where I see the fork as becoming "heavy" for anything other than the rough & steep stuff.
    We are talking about a fat bike, so "weight" is thrown out the window as soon as you start adding suspension. You want light, ride rigid.

    We already have rigid (lightest), Lauf (minimalist spring suspension), Bluto (Light suspension fork), and DH forks (heavy duty), so the Mastodon fits right smack dab in the midweight suspension slot.

    An additional pound for a robust 150mm travel fat bike fork is totally reasonable; think Wren. Certainly the relative weight penalty increases as that same "heavy" fork is mounted on a shorter travel bike or a hardtail.

    The true answer is found in the pudding. A burlier fork has never been the answer for the folks who feel the Bluto is adequate, nor is this fork for folks who ride rigid.

    The Mastodon is for the folks who have the Bluto and feel that it is not adequate.

  118. #118
    banned
    Reputation: awai04's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    1,167
    I do think weight does matter if you're talking about a bike that's still somewhat fun to trail ride for hours at a time. Even though full weight-weenie isn't the objective, some modest attention to weight is going enhance agility and response.

    Agreed that success of this fork is going to come down to the details and how it actually rides.


    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    We are talking about a fat bike, so "weight" is thrown out the window as soon as you start adding suspension. You want light, ride rigid.

    We already have rigid (lightest), Lauf (minimalist spring suspension), Bluto (Light suspension fork), and DH forks (heavy duty), so the Mastodon fits right smack dab in the midweight suspension slot.

    An additional pound for a robust 150mm travel fat bike fork is totally reasonable; think Wren. Certainly the relative weight penalty increases as that same "heavy" fork is mounted on a shorter travel bike or a hardtail.

    The true answer is found in the pudding. A burlier fork has never been the answer for the folks who feel the Bluto is adequate, nor is this fork for folks who ride rigid.

    The Mastodon is for the folks who have the Bluto and feel that it is not adequate.

  119. #119
    mtbr member
    Reputation: solarplex's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    1,734

    Manitou Mastodon?



    Found this on Instagram, Looks huge.

    Seeing a 27.5" hodag in a bluto almost rubs the arch, look at that clearance!
    Fatbike, XC bike, Gravel Bike....

  120. #120
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post


    Found this on Instagram, Looks huge.

    Seeing a 27.5" hodag in a bluto almost rubs the arch, look at that clearance!
    White?

    Someone please tell me it won't be white.

    It does look like a comfy fit, very exciting, just hoping it'll be for sale when it goes live next week.

  121. #121
    This place needs an enema
    Reputation: mikesee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    14,693
    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post


    Found this on Instagram, Looks huge.

    Seeing a 27.5" hodag in a bluto almost rubs the arch, look at that clearance!

    I'm running a B Fat Hodag on mine. Looks like a road tire in a Reba. Huge clearance with the Gnarwhal or Barbegazi too. I've installed the 2XL on a 105mm rim and it fits fine, but I haven't ridden with it yet. Still scratching my head and wondering when I'd want a 5" wide tire in a 6" travel fork.

  122. #122
    mtbr member
    Reputation: solarplex's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    1,734
    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I'm running a B Fat Hodag on mine. Looks like a road tire in a Reba. Huge clearance with the Gnarwhal or Barbegazi too. I've installed the 2XL on a 105mm rim and it fits fine, but I haven't ridden with it yet. Still scratching my head and wondering when I'd want a 5" wide tire in a 6" travel fork.
    Options mannnnn, dont want to be limited!

    As long as the 27.5 gnarwhal fits, then im happy. Still trying to decide between this or the lauf.....
    Fatbike, XC bike, Gravel Bike....

  123. #123
    banned
    Reputation: awai04's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    1,167
    Agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Still scratching my head and wondering when I'd want a 5" wide tire in a 6" travel fork.
    ...I hope these come in different travel lengths!

  124. #124
    Professional Hobbyist
    Reputation: RPK3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    165
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    White?

    Someone please tell me it won't be white.

    It does look like a comfy fit, very exciting, just hoping it'll be for sale when it goes live next week.
    You saw this cool pic and worried about the color?!? I thought it looked great but wondered wtf happened to the dropper post... I'm excited to finally have a good fat trail fork option.
    Work expands to fit the time allotted...

  125. #125
    beer thief
    Reputation: radair's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    4,894
    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    ...Seeing a 27.5" hodag in a bluto almost rubs the arch, look at that clearance!
    I have 5/8" of clearance between my B-fat Hodag and Bluto arch, how does it almost rub?

    Pretty stoked to see this fork come to market. I hope Fox follows suit to give us more options.

  126. #126
    This place needs an enema
    Reputation: mikesee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    14,693
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    White?

    Someone please tell me it won't be white.

    Woah, woah, woah! You gave someone else sh1t right here in this thread for indicating a preference for black stanchions!

  127. #127
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dougal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,308
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    White?

    Someone please tell me it won't be white.

    It does look like a comfy fit, very exciting, just hoping it'll be for sale when it goes live next week.
    This one isn't white:
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BR__AQnB...raftsuspension

    Owner of www.shockcraft.co.nz, Mech Engineer, Tuner, Manitou, Motorex, Vorsprung EPTC, SKF, Enduro
    www.dougal.co.nz

  128. #128
    sluice box
    Reputation: Co-opski's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    975
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    White?

    Someone please tell me it won't be white.

    It does look like a comfy fit, very exciting, just hoping it'll be for sale when it goes live next week.
    YES they will go with my fresh white Oakleys.
    Name:  7531199164_b141098b76.jpg
Views: 2785
Size:  79.2 KB
    ptarmigan hardcore

  129. #129
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Woah, woah, woah! You gave someone else sh1t right here in this thread for indicating a preference for black stanchions!
    The irony of it all

    I'd ride that fork if it was pepto bismal pink with flaming bunnies running down the legs!

  130. #130
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post

    The irony of it all

    I'd ride that fork if it was pepto bismal pink with flaming bunnies running down the legs!
    The problem with white is I have nothing to wear... as we all know it's important to be color coordinated.

  131. #131
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    1,079
    Quote Originally Posted by bobkorn View Post
    Hope it will be available with a straight steer tube for us Pugsley guys.
    No problems, here is a sneak-shot of manitou's pug specific version (from the 1990's)....
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Manitou Mastodon?-img_5808.jpg  


  132. #132
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    Quote Originally Posted by GrayJay View Post
    No problems, here is a sneak-shot of manitou's pug specific version (from the 1990's)....
    I like the colors, very subtle, has a bit of a retro look.

    But I'm confused, those purple things, are they some sort.of advanced tire inflation system?

  133. #133
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dougal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,308
    Quote Originally Posted by GrayJay View Post
    No problems, here is a sneak-shot of manitou's pug specific version (from the 1990's)....
    Was that a Manitou effort or an aftermarket conversion (wider crown and brace) of a 1995 Manitou Comp?
    Owner of www.shockcraft.co.nz, Mech Engineer, Tuner, Manitou, Motorex, Vorsprung EPTC, SKF, Enduro
    www.dougal.co.nz

  134. #134
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    1,079
    Dougal -
    I rigged this version up from a standard Manitou 3/comp, an even wider '95 crown would definitely be better even. My fat Manitou (aka dumbo?) has 92.5mm of clearance between the stanchions, just barely enough for a 3.8 larry tire (88mm carcass width on a 44mm snowcat rim). I had to modify the fork pushrod and elastomers/springs to bottom out before the tire hits the fork crown and also to extend the fork a bit when uncompressed. I transplanted the arch brace from a Manitou 1 fork (significantly taller) onto the Manitou 3 lowers in order to gain enough brace clearance for the taller tire. Installing/removing the wheel requires partially deflating the tire to get it past the cantilever brake bosses.

    The forks coil spring has no dampening, I would like add the EPC dampening from a Manitou 4 but have not yet sourced an EPC donor. I would also like to try fabricating an entirely new fork dropout incorporating disk-brake mounts and more fork rake (these early manitous only had around 38mm or rake, generates excessive fork trail with a slack HTA.)

    My Manitou dumbo suspension setup admittedly has its limitations but I've had it on my fat bike for almost 5 years now and it had been dependable, works reasonably well.

  135. #135
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    Today it begins, any news?

    I jusy need to know who gets my money and when it will arrive

  136. #136
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dougal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,308
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Today it begins, any news?

    I jusy need to know who gets my money and when it will arrive
    Tomorrow it begins.
    Owner of www.shockcraft.co.nz, Mech Engineer, Tuner, Manitou, Motorex, Vorsprung EPTC, SKF, Enduro
    www.dougal.co.nz

  137. #137
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Tomorrow it begins.
    You're on the wrong side of the world, first Otter posting is already up.

    Sadly, Mr Guitar has posted a comment suggesting Trek will be the only source for a Madtodon until 2018... and it'll only come on their bikes!

    Seriously, I'll buy one of their bikes with a Mastodon and resell it with a Bluto.

  138. #138
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dougal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,308
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    You're on the wrong side of the world, first Otter posting is already up.
    My official source says global release is still almost 12 hours away.

    Patience Young Mastodon.
    Owner of www.shockcraft.co.nz, Mech Engineer, Tuner, Manitou, Motorex, Vorsprung EPTC, SKF, Enduro
    www.dougal.co.nz

  139. #139
    beer thief
    Reputation: radair's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    4,894
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    ...Seriously, I'll buy one of their bikes with a Mastodon and resell it with a Bluto.
    Wow Ben, I think you and I may actually agree on something here

  140. #140
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    112
    Any news?

    Found couple revives from Europe one is German one is Italian
    Hier gibts die ersten Lifebilder der brandeuen Manitou Mastodon Federgabel für FATBikes.

    https://www.mtb-mag.com/forum/thread...n-test.351654/

    I hope fox and roks poks wakeup an make same fat pike or fat 34/36

  141. #141
    WNC Native
    Reputation: nitrousjunky's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    3,792
    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    My official source says global release is still almost 12 hours away.

    Patience Young Mastodon.
    Ben doesn't know what Patience is.
    "I ride to clear my head, my head is clearer when I'm riding SS. Therefore, I choose to ride SS."~ Fullrange Drew

  142. #142
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Ben doesn't know what Patience is.
    The sad reality in this case is that the fork probably won't be available for purchase until next year. It makes sense if you're Trek, using the fork to sell complete bikes, but for Manitou it means a lost season of sales and the potentisl lost sales to a rival firk. I suppose they crunched the numbers and figured it out to a mutual benefit..

    Anyone have stats on fork sales comparing Bluto sales on completes vs individual sales? I imagine completes are at least 75% of the sales.

    Today could be the day...

  143. #143
    WNC Native
    Reputation: nitrousjunky's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    3,792
    I'm trying to remember how long it was before you could buy the Magnum 29+ fork after the Stache was available. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought it was available separately shortly after the Stache.....?
    "I ride to clear my head, my head is clearer when I'm riding SS. Therefore, I choose to ride SS."~ Fullrange Drew

  144. #144
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Posts
    1,060
    It's shown on manitou's site now.

  145. #145
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    3,458
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkers View Post
    It's shown on manitou's site now.
    Set up guide for the Pro model is now on site also....

  146. #146
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Swerny's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Posts
    2,044
    Manitou takes on fat bike forks with the Mastodon - BikeRadar

    Mastodon features

    Cold weather tested at -15C / 0F and colder temperatures
    34mm stanchions
    80, 100, 120, 140, 150mm travel options
    Fits 26 x 5.15in and 27.5 x 4.5in tires
    Two ride heights: standard as direct replacement and extended for increased tire room
    Pro weight for 26in / 100mm travel: 2,210g
    Comp weight for 26in / 100mm travel: 2,430g

    So wide

    Even off of a bike it was clear from the giant crown and prairie-wide stance that the Mastodon was designed to fit even the widest-of-the-wide fat bike rubber.

    The chassis can easily surround the largest tires available; everything from Vee Rubber's 26 x 5.05in 2XL Snowshoes to Bontrager's Hodag 27.5 x 4.5in. There's also plenty of room for 29 x 3.0in plus tires.
    Dialed damping

    The Mastodon uses damping technology derived from its well-received Mattoc and Dorado forks.

    The forks are upgradable as well, accepting Manitou's Infinite Tuning Rate kit for additional mid-stroke control, and all of the seals, oils and internals are built to work in freezing temperatures thanks to Manitou's expertise in snowmobile racing.

    Stiffness claims

    Through the use of large 34mm stanchions and Manitou's classic reverse arch, both front and back and torsional stiffness is claimed to be improved over the Bluto. Manitou's testing puts these numbers at 26 percent and 25 percent respectively.
    Mastodon pricing and availability

    Mastodon Comp: $649.99 with availability now
    Mastodon Pro: $849.99 with availability now
    Mike
    Toronto, Canada
    2019 Scott Foil 10 Disc
    2019 Norco Search XR Steel
    2017 Trek Farley 9.6

  147. #147
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    14
    Better pricing than I was expecting, and available NOW? I'm impressed and counting my pennies

  148. #148
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dougal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,308
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    The sad reality in this case is that the fork probably won't be available for purchase until next year. It makes sense if you're Trek, using the fork to sell complete bikes, but for Manitou it means a lost season of sales and the potentisl lost sales to a rival firk. I suppose they crunched the numbers and figured it out to a mutual benefit..

    Anyone have stats on fork sales comparing Bluto sales on completes vs individual sales? I imagine completes are at least 75% of the sales.

    Today could be the day...

    Happy now?

    Available for aftermarket order immediately. You'll find a few extra choice bits of info on my site:
    https://www.shockcraft.co.nz/mastodon-manitou.html
    Owner of www.shockcraft.co.nz, Mech Engineer, Tuner, Manitou, Motorex, Vorsprung EPTC, SKF, Enduro
    www.dougal.co.nz

  149. #149
    mtbr member
    Reputation: akacoke's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    748
    why is it $1600?
    17 Lynskey Fatskey
    07 Kona Stab
    14 Specialized Fatboy
    04 Santa Cruz V10

    My Ebay store link

  150. #150
    RAKC Industries
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Posts
    3,265
    Did the ".nz" get missed? Their not is the US, their in New Zealand, different currency.

    So in New Zealand that's the price (in their currency not ours).

    Sent from my XT1565 using Tapatalk
    Life on a bike doesn't begin till the sun goes down.


  151. #151
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dougal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,308
    Quote Originally Posted by akacoke View Post
    why is it $1600?
    Different currency and includes sales tax.

  152. #152
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Posts
    663
    Quote Originally Posted by akacoke View Post
    why is it $1600?
    That is New Zealand dollars

  153. #153
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Posts
    663
    Quote Originally Posted by RAKC Ind View Post
    Did the ".nz" get missed? Their not is the US, their in New Zealand, different currency.

    So in New Zealand that's the price (in their currency not ours).

    Sent from my XT1565 using Tapatalk
    .nz was perhaps overlooked as NebraZka🙄

  154. #154
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    Quote Originally Posted by dougal View Post
    happy now?

    Available for aftermarket order immediately. You'll find a few extra choice bits of info on my site:
    https://www.shockcraft.co.nz/mastodon-manitou.html
    very!

    Questions:

    Will the regular length fit a Minion 26 x 4.5, which is the same height as a Minion 27.5 x 3.8?

    Your site says preorder, what is the expected arrival date for the forks in house?

    Can I get it in white

  155. #155
    RAKC Industries
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Posts
    3,265
    Son of a ..... Guess I am selling my fat bike now, frame won't take tapered forks (2011). Better to ask for forgiveness than permission come fall when I can sell it to buy a newer frame.

    Sent from my XT1565 using Tapatalk
    Life on a bike doesn't begin till the sun goes down.


  156. #156
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    On Dougal's site there is a straight steerer option as well as a 150mm travel option, though both are tbd.

  157. #157
    RAKC Industries
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Posts
    3,265
    Wait straight option? What spacing though?

    Sent from my XT1565 using Tapatalk
    Life on a bike doesn't begin till the sun goes down.


  158. #158
    RAKC Industries
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Posts
    3,265
    Nevermind I'm dense, be 150 spacing. Guess just a new hub. Even longer I can hold out against 190/197 rear. Like my 170 Mukluk, fits 4.7 in the rear just barely.

    Sent from my XT1565 using Tapatalk
    Life on a bike doesn't begin till the sun goes down.


  159. #159
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    197mm rear spacing and suspension, two things that don't go good together.

    So about my questions, Dougal, ya asleep already?

  160. #160
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Posts
    663
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    197mm rear spacing and suspension, two things that don't go good together.

    So about my questions, Dougal, ya asleep already?
    Sorry to ask the newb question! Why not?

  161. #161
    RAKC Industries
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Posts
    3,265
    I wasn't meaning FS, just from rigid to hardtail.

    And I just did the currency conversion, OUCH. $1100 for a fork WTF???

    Sent from my XT1565 using Tapatalk
    Life on a bike doesn't begin till the sun goes down.


  162. #162
    banned
    Reputation: awai04's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    1,167
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    197mm rear spacing and suspension, two things that don't go good together.
    Why do you say that?

  163. #163
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    $1100, that's pricey.

    I suppose that will keep the lookie loos from getting in on the first run. It was $900 for the early Wren, $750 for the early Bluto, it seems the ante continues to increase.

    Anyone know if Fox or SRAM are planning to announce a fat fork?

  164. #164
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Posts
    663
    For those stateside it is $650 and $850 for comp and pro respectively. The $1100 was the cost in New Zealand converting $NZD1600 into $USD1100 for a pro

  165. #165
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dougal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,308
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    very!

    Questions:

    Will the regular length fit a Minion 26 x 4.5, which is the same height as a Minion 27.5 x 3.8?

    Your site says preorder, what is the expected arrival date for the forks in house?

    Can I get it in white
    Have you got the OD of a Minion 26x4.5?
    I don't yet have all the details to confirm, but around 800mm tyre diameter is I think the break point between the standard and extended versions.

    There's no point you ordering from me unless you live in New Zealand. I'm halfway around the planet from the US.
    The guys who fill the orders are currently [S]living it up[/S] working hard at Sea-Otter. I'm expecting 2-3 weeks from order confirmation as freight and customs clearance to me takes about a week by itself.

    No white on the order forms. Just Matte Black. It could be an OEM only colour right now. They do still make paint though.

    Straight steerer and 150mm travel options are details I'll have to confirm later.
    Owner of www.shockcraft.co.nz, Mech Engineer, Tuner, Manitou, Motorex, Vorsprung EPTC, SKF, Enduro
    www.dougal.co.nz

  166. #166
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dougal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,308
    Quote Originally Posted by MozFat View Post
    For those stateside it is $650 and $850 for comp and pro respectively. The $1100 was the cost in New Zealand converting $NZD1600 into $USD1100 for a pro
    Yep and then roll in 15% sales tax, air-freight and customs clearance fees. Stuff gets expensive here. That's about $NZ100-200 cheaper than an RCT3 Pike.

    Our wages don't scale up to match either.

    We'll see how demand goes and if anyone wants to wait 2 months for cheaper sea-freight.
    Owner of www.shockcraft.co.nz, Mech Engineer, Tuner, Manitou, Motorex, Vorsprung EPTC, SKF, Enduro
    www.dougal.co.nz

  167. #167
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Posts
    663
    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Yep and then roll in 15% sales tax, air-freight and customs clearance fees. Stuff gets expensive here. That's about $NZ100-200 cheaper than an RCT3 Pike.

    Our wages don't scale up to match either.

    We'll see how demand goes and if anyone wants to wait 2 months for cheaper sea-freight.
    I know the deal. I'm a Kiwi living in Mozambique. Back in the day(in NZ) used to order last season's bikes from the States. Still used to be cheaper than buying local. Golf clubs the same deal

  168. #168
    fat guy on a little bike
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    830
    Dougal, obviously most of us US based fruits won't be buying a fork from you, but your contribution here is greatly appreciated!!!

  169. #169
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Posts
    1,060
    Quote Originally Posted by MozFat View Post
    Sorry to ask the newb question! Why not?
    Because your fork will be able to telepathically sense your rear spacing. Anything over 177 and it'll grow arms and refuse to go into your tapered head tube that was freaking designed to take a suspension fork.

    For the love of God Ben, people listen to what you say on this forum so please stop letting your own preferences get in the way of reality.

  170. #170
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    3,458
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkers View Post
    For the love of God Ben, people listen to what you say on this forum so please stop letting your own preferences get in the way of reality.
    Lighten up.
    I, for one, look forward to the Nurse's post about his struggle to buy the Mastodon.

    Then his posts raving about it.

    Then his post that it's for sale.

    Then the posts bad mouthing it....while going back to the previous fork that he previously hated.

    Circle of life stuff.

  171. #171
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkers View Post
    Because your fork will be able to telepathically sense your rear spacing. Anything over 177 and it'll grow arms and refuse to go into your tapered head tube that was freaking designed to take a suspension fork.

    For the love of God Ben, people listen to what you say on this forum so please stop letting your own preferences get in the way of reality.
    Keifer,

    People should have enough sense to think, and thinking is what people should be doing. The market is not always in step with the science. Just as a 100mm bb is not necessary to run a 4" tire, a 197mm spacing is not necessary to run a 4.5 tire.

    I can't help that people think bigger is better, maybe it's an AmeriCan thing, but there are always diminishing returns as we draw closer to the limits.

    Anyone listening to me is also listening to others, it balances out.

    I'm sorry you bought a Wren, I feel your pain, I went through a lot with that fork. Maybe you didn't listen to me long.enough

  172. #172
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Have you got the OD of a Minion 26x4.5?
    I don't yet have all the details to confirm, but around 800mm tyre diameter is I think the break point between the standard
    29 x 3 Minion on a 45mm id rim is ~760mm, 26 x 4.5 Minion on a 65mm id rim is about 750mm.

    If thise tires fit the "regular, non extended", whuch I assume is the 26", then I'll get the regular.

    Is the extended designed (27.5?) a future proof for sizes, ie 29 x 4, 26 x 6, etc...?

  173. #173
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Posts
    1,060
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Keifer,

    People should have enough sense to think, and thinking is what people should be doing. The market is not always in step with the science. Just as a 100mm bb is not necessary to run a 4" tire, a 197mm spacing is not necessary to run a 4.5 tire.

    I can't help that people think bigger is better, maybe it's an AmeriCan thing, but there are always diminishing returns as we draw closer to the limits.

    Anyone listening to me is also listening to others, it balances out.

    I'm sorry you bought a Wren, I feel your pain, I went through a lot with that fork. Maybe you didn't listen to me long.enough
    People can think for themselves yes, but when a prominent member of a popular forum posts, that post holds more weight than others.

    Sure their are others who are equally respected who people listen to as well, but probably 90 percent of the time on this board your voice is the loudest.

    What your post comes down to is axle spacing has absolutely nothing to do with whether your bike should have suspension. The ice cream truck was designed with a slack head angle and a bluto in mind. Are you going to sit there and say people should only ride it rigid?

    I would agree that 177 is probably a better standard in regards to bearing life, heel clearance, etc.

    I'm happy with my wren and Russ has always been very helpful. When your mastodon blows up have fun dealing with their warranty department or your lbs.

    Just as mayor said, once a fat pike comes a long the mastodon will be relegated to the likes of wren.

    Nothing I say is personal against you, please keep that in mind. Just stop the spread of misinformation.

  174. #174
    banned
    Reputation: awai04's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    1,167
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkers View Post
    Just as mayor said, once a fat pike comes a long the mastodon will be relegated to the likes of wren.
    Agreed. Published weights are 2200-2400g depending on the Comp or Pro model, which equals 4.85 - 5.3 lbs. A minority of fat bikers with DH in mind will find the weight range just fine. For riders who want a slightly sturdier-than-Bluto/Reba fork at >100mm travel for their all-purpose hardtail fat bikes, the door is still open for a lighter trail fork to come along.

  175. #175
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    I like heavy forks, they go down hill faster.

  176. #176
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dougal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,308
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    29 x 3 Minion on a 45mm id rim is ~760mm, 26 x 4.5 Minion on a 65mm id rim is about 750mm.

    If thise tires fit the "regular, non extended", whuch I assume is the 26", then I'll get the regular.

    Is the extended designed (27.5?) a future proof for sizes, ie 29 x 4, 26 x 6, etc...?
    Found it here: https://www.manitoumtb.com/wp-conten...ange-Guide.pdf
    756mm max for standard version. 796mm max for extended version.

    That is, of course, with Manitou's usual safety clearance to allow for fork and wheel flex at full compression. Going beyond their recommendations is at your own risk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkers View Post
    I'm happy with my wren and Russ has always been very helpful. When your mastodon blows up have fun dealing with their warranty department or your lbs.

    Just as mayor said, once a fat pike comes a long the mastodon will be relegated to the likes of wren.
    Sounds like you've not ridden a Mattoc or Magnum. They don't blow up, are extremely easy to work on and performance wise are a big step up over a Pike. It would be an eye opener for you to get a ride on one.


    Quote Originally Posted by awai04 View Post
    Agreed. Published weights are 2200-2400g depending on the Comp or Pro model, which equals 4.85 - 5.3 lbs. A minority of fat bikers with DH in mind will find the weight range just fine. For riders who want a slightly sturdier-than-Bluto/Reba fork at >100mm travel for their all-purpose hardtail fat bikes, the door is still open for a lighter trail fork to come along.
    Mattocs are slightly lighter than Pike in the same configuration (wheel size, travel and steerer length). If RS make a fat pike it will likely be slightly heavier than the Mastodon.

    If you want lighter then you have to start sacrificing metal. Stiffness is one of the first things to go. Tube sizes will have to decrease and/or brace and crown material. There is no free lunch.
    Owner of www.shockcraft.co.nz, Mech Engineer, Tuner, Manitou, Motorex, Vorsprung EPTC, SKF, Enduro
    www.dougal.co.nz

  177. #177
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dougal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,308
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    Dougal, obviously most of us US based fruits won't be buying a fork from you, but your contribution here is greatly appreciated!!!
    Happy to help. Ironically I'm not a Fat Biker. But now I've got a hankering to find one just so I can ride a Mastodon!
    Owner of www.shockcraft.co.nz, Mech Engineer, Tuner, Manitou, Motorex, Vorsprung EPTC, SKF, Enduro
    www.dougal.co.nz

  178. #178
    This place needs an enema
    Reputation: mikesee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    14,693
    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Sounds like you've not ridden a Mattoc or Magnum. They don't blow up, are extremely easy to work on and performance wise are a big step up over a Pike. It would be an eye opener for you to get a ride on one.

    I've owned 4 Pike's. The small bump sensitivity is incredible. Chassis stiffness is incredible. Big hit performance was usually lacking, as was mid-stroke support. Pike could be fiddled with and these attributes could be improved to an extent, but I was never able to completely remove the dive or the 'clack' without adversely affecting small bump sensitivity. In other words, you had to give up something, somewhere.

    I find no such compromises with Magnum or Mastodon. You can truly have all 4 at once, once fine fiddling has been done.

    There will always be some that complain about weight, or cost, or even color. Their prerogative. No one fork (or bike, or tire, or lip gloss...) works for everyone.

    Mastodon is the first fat fork that can fit every tire currently on the market, and some yet to be released or even imagined. That it can do this *and* perform so well in every area puts it head and shoulders above any other fork, at any price point, real or imagined.

  179. #179
    banned
    Reputation: awai04's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    1,167
    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    There will always be some that complain about weight, or cost, or even color. Their prerogative. No one fork (or bike, or tire, or lip gloss...) works for everyone.
    That's a good point. At the end of current discussion, most of us cannot fairly evaluate the Mastodon until we've spent some time with one in front of our pedals. Will 5 lbs really be "too heavy" for most trail riders? Even if the answer is yes, then there's no reason Manitou can't follow up with a lighter "SL" version. Just the fact that Manitou now has a fat fork puts them at least a full season ahead of the other major manufacturers.

  180. #180
    fat guy on a little bike
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    830
    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I've owned 4 Pike's. The small bump sensitivity is incredible. Chassis stiffness is incredible. Big hit performance was usually lacking, as was mid-stroke support...

    I find no such compromises with Magnum or Mastodon. You can truly have all 4 at once, once fine fiddling has been done. , or tire, or lip gloss...) works for everyone.

    Mastodon is the first fat fork that can fit every tire currently on the market, and some yet to be released or even imagined. That it can do this *and* perform so well in every area puts it head and shoulders above any other fork, at any price point, real or imagined.
    Mike, thank you for comparing the Mastodon to the Pike.

    What are your thoughts of the Mastodon vs the Fox 34? If you do not wish to go over a 4" tire, is the fox still the fork of choice?

    Thanks!

  181. #181
    This place needs an enema
    Reputation: mikesee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    14,693
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    Mike, thank you for comparing the Mastodon to the Pike.

    What are your thoughts of the Mastodon vs the Fox 34? If you do not wish to go over a 4" tire, is the fox still the fork of choice?

    Thanks!

    i think the only real compelling reasons to stick with the Fox are:

    -You can buy one right now, today, and
    -You are very unlikely to have crown/frame interference with the (relatively narrow) Fox fork.

    I have the Mastodon EXT -- it's as tall and wide as any fork, ever. And I have no trouble running it on my Meriwether 2XL bike, nor on my Fatillac B Fat FS bike.

    I can't tell a difference in weight nor chassis stiffness between them. The stock Mastodon air spring and damper are more tunable out of the box than the Fox.

    The Fox can easily fit 3.5ish tires, but if you want to run a true 4" tire, on anything wider than a ~60mm rim, clearance gets very tight very fast. No room for mud.

  182. #182
    fat guy on a little bike
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    830
    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    The Fox can easily fit 3.5ish tires, but if you want to run a true 4" tire, on anything wider than a ~60mm rim, clearance gets very tight very fast. No room for mud.
    that made my wheel purchasing decision much easier. Thanks Mike!

  183. #183
    This place needs an enema
    Reputation: mikesee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    14,693
    Quote Originally Posted by awai04 View Post
    ...I hope these come in different travel lengths!

    Lost amidst all of the hype, numbers, and speculation is, perhaps, the most awesome thing about the Mastodon: Infinite (and tool free) travel adjust.

    Same as Dorado and Magnum, you thread your pump onto the fork, set travel (by manually compressing or extending the lowers), then disconnect pump. Voila. Literally that easy. I've run the Mastodon at ~80mm travel (pictured, below on my Meriwether) and at ~150mm travel on my Fatillac.

    Keep in mind that if you order a 120mm fork, it won't be able to be stretched beyond that. Takeaway = unless you're sure you'll never need moar, order a longer travel version and simply set the travel shorter.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Manitou Mastodon?-8a3a7316.jpg  


  184. #184
    Is dang happy!
    Reputation: Mr. Doom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    1,362
    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Yep and then roll in 15% sales tax, air-freight and customs clearance fees. Stuff gets expensive here. That's about $NZ100-200 cheaper than an RCT3 Pike.

    Our wages don't scale up to match either.

    We'll see how demand goes and if anyone wants to wait 2 months for cheaper sea-freight.
    Quit complaining ya Hobbit, at least your leader can speak in sentences and you get to ride great terrain all winter.
    The wheel is a extension of the foot

  185. #185
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    3,458
    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Lost amidst all of the hype, numbers, and speculation is, perhaps, the most awesome thing about the Mastodon: Infinite (and tool free) travel adjust.

    Same as Dorado and Magnum, you thread your pump onto the fork, set travel (by manually compressing or extending the lowers), then disconnect pump. Voila. Literally that easy. I've run the Mastodon at ~80mm travel (pictured, below on my Meriwether) and at ~150mm travel on my Fatillac.

    Keep in mind that if you order a 120mm fork, it won't be able to be stretched beyond that. Takeaway = unless you're sure you'll never need moar, order a longer travel version and simply set the travel shorter.
    Thanks for the real world info!
    On the other hand....endless threads of people struggling with setting travel in 5...4...3...2....

  186. #186
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dougal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,308
    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Keep in mind that if you order a 120mm fork, it won't be able to be stretched beyond that. Takeaway = unless you're sure you'll never need moar, order a longer travel version and simply set the travel shorter.
    There are spacers included in the forks so each fork can be spaced a little. The 120mm forks can do from 140-100mm just with spacers. The 100mm forks can do 100-80mm just with spacers.

    You can, of course, do more travel adjustment than that with spacers. But the positive/negative air volumes get quite different to design point.

    This is on top of the "connect pump and put it where you want it" convenience.

    Travel adjust guide here: https://www.manitoumtb.com/wp-conten...ange-Guide.pdf
    Last edited by Dougal; 05-04-2017 at 04:45 PM. Reason: Clarified travel limits
    Owner of www.shockcraft.co.nz, Mech Engineer, Tuner, Manitou, Motorex, Vorsprung EPTC, SKF, Enduro
    www.dougal.co.nz

  187. #187
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Aresab's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    1,731
    On looking at the Manitou Website they have a two travels and two wheel sizes for the Comp and Pro. Just confirming that the 27.5 are the extended ride height rather than the 26? It's a bit confusing because they have 27.5 listed on both sizes but the buy locally does not state std vs extended just 26 vs 27.5.

    -Extended ride height versions fit up to 26×5.15” / 27.5×4.5” tires
    -Standard ride height versions fit up to 26×4” / 27.5×3.8” tires

  188. #188
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    21
    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Lost amidst all of the hype, numbers, and speculation is, perhaps, the most awesome thing about the Mastodon: Infinite (and tool free) travel adjust.

    Same as Dorado and Magnum, you thread your pump onto the fork, set travel (by manually compressing or extending the lowers), then disconnect pump. Voila. Literally that easy. I've run the Mastodon at ~80mm travel (pictured, below on my Meriwether) and at ~150mm travel on my Fatillac.

    Keep in mind that if you order a 120mm fork, it won't be able to be stretched beyond that. Takeaway = unless you're sure you'll never need moar, order a longer travel version and simply set the travel shorter.
    mikesee- have you run this with a 27.5 tire at all? I want to get a Mastodon for a Trek Farley 9.8 and the STD vs EXT is confusing. Thoughts?

  189. #189
    This place needs an enema
    Reputation: mikesee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    14,693
    Quote Originally Posted by Dnek1999 View Post
    mikesee- have you run this with a 27.5 tire at all? I want to get a Mastodon for a Trek Farley 9.8 and the STD vs EXT is confusing. Thoughts?

    I've run mine with 27.5 x 3.5" Hodag, 27.5 x 4.5 Barbe and Gnar, and 26 x 5" 2XL. I think with the STD you are limited to less than a 4" tire. There's a chart out there somewhere that explains which tires fit in which.

  190. #190
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    627
    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I've run mine with 27.5 x 3.5" Hodag, 27.5 x 4.5 Barbe and Gnar, and 26 x 5" 2XL. I think with the STD you are limited to less than a 4" tire. There's a chart out there somewhere that explains which tires fit in which.
    With the EXT version, should we be concerned with the crowns hitting the downtube? I have a Farley 9.8 and would be interested in putting this on if I can verify that the crowns wont hit the downtube.

  191. #191
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dougal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,308
    Quote Originally Posted by Negotiator50 View Post
    With the EXT version, should we be concerned with the crowns hitting the downtube? I have a Farley 9.8 and would be interested in putting this on if I can verify that the crowns wont hit the downtube.
    The crowns and crown-frame clearance won't change. The difference between STD and EXT (or 26" vs 27" on some literature) is in the air shaft and damper shaft lengths.
    Owner of www.shockcraft.co.nz, Mech Engineer, Tuner, Manitou, Motorex, Vorsprung EPTC, SKF, Enduro
    www.dougal.co.nz

  192. #192
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    3,458
    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    The crowns and crown-frame clearance won't change. The difference between STD and EXT (or 26" vs 27" on some literature) is in the air shaft and damper shaft lengths.
    Wrong. The lower castings are different to allow the larger tire

  193. #193
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dougal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,308
    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Wrong. The lower castings are different to allow the larger tire
    Seriously? You're trying to call me wrong on Manitou stuff? That is not going to work for you.

    Here is the service guide for the Mastodon: https://www.manitoumtb.com/wp-conten...vice-Guide.pdf
    Page 4 of the PDF (numbered page 6) has all the parts listings.

    Std and Ext use exactly the same lower legs. Same part number: 141-34087-K009.
    Only differences are the air shafts and rebound shafts.
    Which is exactly what I said earlier.
    Owner of www.shockcraft.co.nz, Mech Engineer, Tuner, Manitou, Motorex, Vorsprung EPTC, SKF, Enduro
    www.dougal.co.nz

  194. #194
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    3,458
    I stand corrected.
    I guess my rep needs a copy of this manual. Doh!
    Thanks for the info

  195. #195
    mtbr member
    Reputation: akacoke's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    748
    wait, it doesnt make sense. according to the tire size clearance chart. the std version does not clear a lot of tires. but ext clears them, meaning they must have different casting tho.
    17 Lynskey Fatskey
    07 Kona Stab
    14 Specialized Fatboy
    04 Santa Cruz V10

    My Ebay store link

  196. #196
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    3,458
    Quote Originally Posted by akacoke View Post
    wait, it doesnt make sense. according to the tire size clearance chart. the std version does not clear a lot of tires. but ext clears them, meaning they must have different casting tho.
    From the manual Dougal posted....I'd assume the longer damper and shafts keep the tire from bottoming on the underside of the crown....and there is plenty of room in the arch.
    But seeing I've been wrong here already...Dougal?

  197. #197
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dougal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    8,308
    Quote Originally Posted by akacoke View Post
    wait, it doesnt make sense. according to the tire size clearance chart. the std version does not clear a lot of tires. but ext clears them, meaning they must have different casting tho.
    It's pretty simple.
    The lower legs have clearance for the biggest tyres. The limit on tyre size is the crown and how low that compresses. This is changed with spacers internally under the bottom-out bumpers.
    Because the bottom-out height (and hence stroke) changes the extended version has longer rods to extend higher and keep the same travel.

    This is the same way Manitou do 26-27" on the Mattoc. Lower legs have clearance for the 27" tyres but they compress further when spacers are set to 26" mode.

    In the Mattoc they run the same rods for 26/27, it's close enough that only spacers and HBO cones move.
    Owner of www.shockcraft.co.nz, Mech Engineer, Tuner, Manitou, Motorex, Vorsprung EPTC, SKF, Enduro
    www.dougal.co.nz

  198. #198
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2015
    Posts
    66
    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    It's friggin awesome.
    Curious how you think it compares to the Wren.

  199. #199
    Human Test Subject
    Reputation: Volsung's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    1,288
    I pulled the trigger on a comp. No idea when it will arrive or if my bike will even be ridable by the time it does. Last winter trashed my headset, BB, and both brakes.

  200. #200
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    7,638
    To clarify:

    26" x 120mm non-extended travel fork fits up to 26 x 4"/27.5 × 3.8 tires and is adjustable ftom 100mm to 140mm travel.

    27.5" x 120mm extended travel fork fits up to 26 x 5.15/27.5 × 4.5 and is adjustable from 100mm to 140mm.

    So here's my question: a 26 x 4.5 is the same height as a 27 x 3.8, and damn near the same height as a 29 x 3.

    If I don't plan to run anything taller than a 29 x 3, which has a diameter of ~760mm, can I run the 26" non extended fork?

    My buddy spoke with Manitou today, they said the forks are on the way to the distributors (QBP, etc).

Page 1 of 8 12345 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Manitou Minute vs Manitou R7?
    By Numbtoyou in forum Shocks and Suspension
    Replies: 77
    Last Post: 04-19-2015, 04:25 PM
  2. Manitou R7 PRO vs MRD
    By coldrain in forum Shocks and Suspension
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 10-22-2013, 07:32 AM
  3. Replies: 6
    Last Post: 07-20-2013, 09:02 PM
  4. Manitou - I have to ask...
    By Aresab in forum Shocks and Suspension
    Replies: 22
    Last Post: 02-26-2013, 08:15 PM
  5. Manitou SX-r
    By TraumaARNP in forum Vintage, Retro, Classic
    Replies: 82
    Last Post: 05-17-2012, 12:38 PM

Members who have read this thread: 280

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

THE SITE

ABOUT MTBR

VISIT US AT

© Copyright 2020 VerticalScope Inc. All rights reserved.