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    Lauf' Carbonara Fork?

    Would like to get feedback/review from someone that owns one and has put some miles on it.

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    very good fork

    Hi my friend,

    The Lauf is a great fork. She appears to float on small bumps. It absorbs the defects.

    nice performance
    zero maintenance
    very light (1100gr)
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    5 years warranty (if there are breaks after 5 years = 50% discount on new)

    If you buy an Lauf, you will not regret your choice.

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    Hands down the ugliest thing you could ever do to your bike. People who own them or have tried them seem to rave about 'em though. I personally wouldn't run it if you gave it to me, but kudos to these guys for bringing this thing to market. Looks like they are going to do well with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by litespeedaddict View Post
    Hands down the ugliest thing you could ever do to your bike. People who own them or have tried them seem to rave about 'em though. I personally wouldn't run it if you gave it to me, but kudos to these guys for bringing this thing to market. Looks like they are going to do well with it.
    Second this, they are a case of function over form... but those who have them, love the small bump compliance they have.

    The thing that puts me off is not having a lock out.... my first pair of forks way back in '97 had no lock out and I could feel the energy draining out me as I climbed.

    This being said, they are a great zero maintenance solution!!

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    Eww!!! They might function, but hideous it is. How adjustable are they?
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    Here, I drive in the forest and on the beach. On the tree roots, the Lauf is perfect.

    To ride on the rocks, I have a Mukluk with Bluto. and To mount I block.

    Lauf or Bluto: it depends on the way

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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    How adjustable are they?
    they have two different spring rates depending on rider weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying_Scotsman View Post
    The thing that puts me off is not having a lock out.... my first pair of forks way back in '97 had no lock out and I could feel the energy draining out me as I climbed.
    Even when honking out of the saddle you don't feel them moving. No need for a lockout.

    My only complaint about the Lauf is that it won't fit the new 5.05" tire on a 105mm rim. Fits any 4.8" on a 100 no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Even when honking out of the saddle you don't feel them moving. No need for a lockout.
    Others have said similar, good to hear. I need to try before I buy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Even when honking out of the saddle you don't feel them moving. No need for a lockout.

    My only complaint about the Lauf is that it won't fit the new 5.05" tire on a 105mm rim. Fits any 4.8" on a 100 no problem.
    Mike, I'm intrigued by the Lauf, especially since I'm totally familiar with the strengths and shortcomings of the alternative (Bluto). I'm concerned, though, that the Carbonara's axle-to-crown length of 494mm would noticeably change the handling of my Fatboy by slackening out the head angle and lifting the front of the bike, affecting its climbing ability. At HA=70.5 degrees, I feel like my Fatboy is relatively nimble through twisty sections of trail, which I like. I'm not a downhill "bomber," so I don't miss the increased stability of the slacker frame/fork designs.

    According to the Specialized website, the carbon Fatboy fork has a 467mm a-c measurement, and I've been running an 80mm Bluto (the "recommended" one, a-c = 492) with about 30% sag, which makes it measure very similarly to the carbon fork's a-c measurement. Just to complicate things further, though, I'm sure that the fork offset has an impact on all of this, too. In my case, the stock fork has a 46mm offset, while the Bluto has a 51mm offset.

    Does the Carbonara have any "sag" to speak of that would reduce the a-c length difference? Is my thought process sound if maintaining the "stock" handling is the objective? I know that some guys put a 100mm (or even 120mm) Bluto on their Fatboys and like them, but I wonder if I'd feel the same. It seems like the Carbonaras currently being offered might be better suited for frames for which a 100mm Bluto is recommended. But maybe the unique shape of the Carbonara counteracts some of the discrepancies that I've cited.

    Any observations? Am I overthinking the possible effects of going to a longer fork like the Carbonara? It would be an expensive "experiment." Thanks.

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    Yes, there is sag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by litespeedaddict View Post
    Hands down the ugliest thing you could ever do to your bike. People who own them or have tried them seem to rave about 'em though. I personally wouldn't run it if you gave it to me, but kudos to these guys for bringing this thing to market. Looks like they are going to do well with it.
    Yup couldn't do it either!!

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    I'd run one on a dedicated snow bike (if someone gave it to me)

    Kinda like a lefty, after a week of riding it, it would look "normal".....lol

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    I just want to know if it could handle rocky desert downhill bombing runs?

    Like the lefty, I enjoy the unique looks and its weight is great!

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    They are very cool, for sure. And I actually like the funky, 'function over form' looks. I can only hope it will be trickle-down technology and that someday there will be one for half that price.
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    I would consider it if and when my carbon rigid goes south (hopefully the price will drop by then too!)

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    This is exactly what I've been waiting for. Super cool! And, no, probably not the tool for gnar desert DH runs.

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    How is this fork for lateral stiffness? Do you notice a difference in steering vs. a conventional fork like the Bluto?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    How is this fork for lateral stiffness? Do you notice a difference in steering vs. a conventional fork like the Bluto?
    I don't notice a difference from Bluto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I don't notice a difference from Bluto.
    But do you a notice a difference in comparison to a "real fork", like a Pike?

    Do you think a heavy duty version would handle tandem work, 340#?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    But do you a notice a difference in comparison to a "real fork", like a Pike?

    Do you think a heavy duty version would handle tandem work, 340#?
    I ride fatbikes on soft surfaces. I ride Pike on hard surfaces. No comparison between the riding styles, nor bikes ridden on each. Apples and watermelons.

    No idea how to the answer the tandem question. Does an HD version even exist?

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    HD = Regular (> 175#)

    I sent them an email.

    My buddy has one on his 29er race bike, he liked it once he had the HA correct.

    I wonder about the torsionally rigidity, though if it's better than the Bluto that is something...

    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I ride fatbikes on soft surfaces. I ride Pike on hard surfaces. No comparison between the riding styles, nor bikes ridden on each. Apples and watermelons.

    No idea how to the answer the tandem question. Does an HD version even exist?

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    Looks like an XC fork in the extreme. Something for your rigid race bike when you need a bit of front end squish. No comparison at all to the current crop of suspension forks.

    But the fatbike applications for traditional users (snow, touring, pedaling) are enticing. Very clever of these guys to include a wide fork in the line up. I predict it will do well.

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    Is there any damping with the lauf fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGHORN LEW View Post
    Is there any damping with the lauf fork?
    Only what is inherent to the material (like elastomer), which means it will only work in a finite speed range or optimally at one speed.
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    OK here's my take. I bought a Lauf fork second hand at half price and mounted it on my carbon 29er race bike. Total weight 1x10 was 17 1/2 pounds ! I was in heaven, I thought. Rode it hard for about 2 months. Hills were a treat but bumpy downhills and hard jagged turns were another matter. Remember first there is only 2 inches of travel when most of us are used to 4. The fork does not feel like it is bottoming and the bounce is limited. However if you put the forks between your legs and twist you will see the wheel drastically bend off line. After a few near death like moments I switched back to my RS Reba and although 1 1/4 pounds heavier it felt like a new bike with much more control and confidence. Will it work for my carbon Beargrease? Probably but I will not invest almost 1K to find out if I like it. Sorry Lauf but not a high performance item.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leebherron View Post
    if you put the forks between your legs and twist you will see the wheel drastically bend off line.
    I've found that, generally, when riding, if the fork is suddenly between my legs I've made a significant mistake and am about to be on the ground. Usually bleeding.

    If I can keep the fork out in front of me, I'm usually fine.

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    Mike, good thing I was between sips of coffee there.

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    Rode it at InterBike Dirt Demo. It was on a large Pivot Les Fat. They make two forks. One or rider under 80KG (or there about) and one for above. Not sure what they called the different forks. I rode the 80KG above fork and I'm about 85KG. I know it was working. I did feel the bob out of the saddle. It is hard to say how well it worked. This is desert and rocky where I rode it. It does not perform like a Bluto. Less travel and much more harsh. I wish I would have ridden it back to back with a rigid fork. I know it was taking the edge off. I really wondered if I needed it for the snow riding that I do. I felt not, but everyone is different. Minimal weight penalty and a little cush. It does take the edge of from a rigid SS that I own/ride with a 29+ Knard on the front and a BS Faith Truss fork. I know it's hard to test them out prior to buying and I know they are expensive.

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    Anyone find a deal? Price is the only thing keeping me from given one a try.
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    I suspect it may be the answer for rigid riders who get fed up of frozen postholed tracks. Someone coming from a suspension fork is simply going to feel its deficiencies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    I suspect it may be the answer for rigid riders who get fed up of frozen postholed tracks. Someone coming from a suspension fork is simply going to feel its strengths.
    Fixed.

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    There is a lauf carbonara for sale on ebay.


    Quote Originally Posted by DBLUNG View Post
    Anyone find a deal? Price is the only thing keeping me from given one a try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by litespeedaddict View Post
    Hands down the ugliest thing you could ever do to your bike. People who own them or have tried them seem to rave about 'em though. I personally wouldn't run it if you gave it to me, but kudos to these guys for bringing this thing to market. Looks like they are going to do well with it.
    Interesting take..I see where you are coming from, but I dont find the design any less offensive than most full suspension bikes. Not a natural look, agreed
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    $850 is kinda steep for a used fork and no warranty.

    Anyone know the widest tire that'll fit on the 29er Lauf?

    Quote Originally Posted by LFJ View Post
    There is a lauf carbonara for sale on ebay.

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    ^^^^^not much more than 2.3 based on what I've seen.
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    That's a shame, it'd make a nice plus sized fork.

    Quote Originally Posted by Co-opski View Post
    ^^^^^not much more than 2.3 based on what I've seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    That's a shame, it'd make a nice plus sized fork.
    The carbonara will fit up to a 3" on 29 wheel. At least that's what the website says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Negotiator50 View Post
    The carbonara will fit up to a 3" on 29 wheel. At least that's what the website says.

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    The carbonara will easily fit a 29 x 4", maybe even 29 x 4.8", not that such a beast exists. Yet...

    I ran the new Vee 26 x 5.05" on a 90mm rim in the Carbonara, tubeless. 5mm of clearance on each side seemed like plenty to me.

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    Firstly, anyone basing your MTB buying decisions on how a thing looks in a picture on the internet, you need to take a long hard look at yourself - then give yourself a slap.

    I've had a Lauf for around three months now.
    One week of that was holiday in Spain with uplift. That is like a couple of months riding condensed down. The riding out there is relentlessly rocky, loose, steep, switchbacky and fast.
    Here's a video from last year which gives a good idea of the type of riding https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLAsqjHZb00

    As I weigh 230+ lbs, stiffnes was a concern before I bought the fork, having read reports of the 29er version being flexy. The Carbonara is solid though, no odd steering characteristics at all.
    What I wanted was something to take the edge off big hits when riding downhill at speed, rather than ironing out the small bumps. The Lauf does both well. It's quite different to a tele fork as you'd expect. The best way I could describe it is feeling like I've taken off my 4.8 tyre and replaced it with a huge volume 8" tyre. It just soaks up much more.

    Something I love about riding a rigid fatbike on steep rocky tech terrain is the static angles and not having to fight the suspension squishing around and steepening the HA. The 60mm travel of the Lauf is just enough on a fatbike. It still feels quite close to a rigid.

    One slight concern for rocky riding is the amount of chips I'm picking up on the bottom of the legs. Some rubber boots, like the ones some carbon cranks have, would be good.

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    What about rider weight? 75kg rider should select regular or light? My bike is 15kg weight

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    Lauf w/ BUD/100mm
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    The carbonara will easily fit a 29 x 4", maybe even 29 x 4.8", not that such a beast exists. Yet...

    I ran the new Vee 26 x 5.05" on a 90mm rim in the Carbonara, tubeless. 5mm of clearance on each side seemed like plenty to me.
    Carbonara with vee 2xl on 90mm, have you ridden it for long? Was that with stretched tires, or brand new ones? Where those hookless rims?

    You mention that 105mm rims +vee 2xl rubs the Carbonara, what would you say is the max rim that would enable 2xl tires in carbonara without rubbing?

    By the sound of it 90mm rims might be the sweet spot since 5mm sounds like the minimum clearance. (space for tire stretch, slight wobble, etc)?

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    For a motorcyclist the look is reminiscent of old school leading link suspension and retro. Might be the ticket for my beach riding where the bumps are somewhat minor (footprints, hoof prints, wheel ruts, small rocks).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy81 View Post
    Carbonara with vee 2xl on 90mm, have you ridden it for long? Was that with stretched tires, or brand new ones? Where those hookless rims?

    You mention that 105mm rims +vee 2xl rubs the Carbonara, what would you say is the max rim that would enable 2xl tires in carbonara without rubbing?

    By the sound of it 90mm rims might be the sweet spot since 5mm sounds like the minimum clearance. (space for tire stretch, slight wobble, etc)?
    Stretched tires, tubeless, on hookless 90mm rims.

    I wouldn't be comfortable with the 2XL on a rim wider than 90mm in the Lauf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Stretched tires, tubeless, on hookless 90mm rims.

    I wouldn't be comfortable with the 2XL on a rim wider than 90mm in the Lauf.
    Thanks, great reply.

    I've been drooling over the Carbonara for a year and a half now, 2xl support and price has been the only two things holding me back.
    Hearing that 2xl on 90mm rims is OK makes the fork even more appealing. I just wish lauf would have made it just a tiny bit wider..

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    Anyone have Avid bb7s on their Lauf? I'm renewing the old Fatback and looking to see if I can keep my bb7s. I've heard reports of them not working from the UK.
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    its working for me, but you need larger 183mm disc

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    thanks I just unboxed mine and need to relace my wheel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Co-opski View Post
    thanks I just unboxed mine and need to relace my wheel.
    Not sure what type of hub you have, but there are solutions out there to avoid this. "MTBtools" on ebay makes a generic 135 to 150 hub spacer kit along with a 7.5mm thick aluminum rotor spacer. If you have a salsa hub, you can get new end caps that are symmetrically 7.5mm wider as well, but not through Salsa. They are machined by Hauck bicycles in Colorado. He is also on ebay as well.

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    Hauck would not make the end caps needed for the 135mm Hadley hub. So I went Onyx, the hub weighs almost as much as the fork. I also have a Paul Fhub I'm building up to replace my 616.
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    Does anybody else have some small mold pieces of carbon rattling around in the fork "lowers"? I haven't mounted it on the bike yet, and I honestly doubt I'll be able to hear them. Just wondering, though.

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    picture?

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    No rattling in mine fork.
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    there is no rattling on mine fork

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    In practice, I cannot hear the rattling. What I can hear, however, is the springs. I am getting a lot of snap, crackle, pop sounds with compression and release. Lauf is telling me this is normal, and I can replicate it with both sides.

    Anyone else hearing little crackles with compression/release?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Co-opski View Post
    Anyone have Avid bb7s on their Lauf?
    What is the right adapter for Ø 200 mm disc? I have BB7s too and Carbonara is ordered.

    Edit: Got answer from Lauf:
    just the standard 160to180mm post mount spacer bridge
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    Use 183 mm disc without adapter

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    Quote Originally Posted by pro_ohp View Post
    Use 183 mm disc without adapter
    that is what I ended up doing.

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    Not sure if this has been asked here before. I run a Farley 5 2016 with rigid fork (yep I know about the 135mm hub rather than 150mm). I'm considering getting a Lauf Carbonara (probably need to sell a bike to fund it!) and wondering if anyone can tell me will it work with a 27.5 wheel and 4" tyre? Lauf list it on their site for 26" and 29" wheels. I was thinking about getting some 27.5 carbon wheels in the future and would like to swap between. I know I will need to rebuild the Mulefut front wheel round a 150mm hub just to fit the Carbonara. Cheers!


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    Quote Originally Posted by cr3anmachin3 View Post
    Not sure if this has been asked here before. I run a Farley 5 2016 with rigid fork (yep I know about the 135mm hub rather than 150mm). I'm considering getting a Lauf Carbonara (probably need to sell a bike to fund it!) and wondering if anyone can tell me will it work with a 27.5 wheel and 4" tyre? Lauf list it on their site for 26" and 29" wheels. I was thinking about getting some 27.5 carbon wheels in the future and would like to swap between. I know I will need to rebuild the Mulefut front wheel round a 150mm hub just to fit the Carbonara. Cheers!
    I would say yes to the 27.5x4 but I have no real life data. MikeSea no relation to TommySea fit the Vee 2xl on an 80mm wheel but the 2xl on a 105mm was too big.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Co-opski View Post
    I would say yes to the 27.5x4 but I have no real life data.
    Definitely yes.

    I don't know why mikesee didn't get 2XL fit on 105 mm rim, overall width is not much wider on 105 mm than on 90 mm rim. But let's try next week with 100 mm Clownshoe and 2XL. There should be 6 mm space at both sides, if I've got right information (Lauf 142 mm, 2XL measured 130 mm).

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    Should fit with just enough marginal, 5.1135 is just the measured width of my 2XL (tubeless on Clownshoe).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    snip..


    My only complaint about the Lauf is that it won't fit the new 5.05" tire on a 105mm rim. Fits any 4.8" on a 100 no problem.
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    I only have had D5 and a Bud on 90s for personal experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Läskimasa View Post
    Definitely yes.

    I don't know why mikesee didn't get 2XL fit on 105 mm rim, overall width is not much wider on 105 mm than on 90 mm rim. But let's try next week with 100 mm Clownshoe and 2XL. There should be 6 mm space at both sides, if I've got right information (Lauf 142 mm, 2XL measured 130 mm).

    Pic from side before:

    Should fit with just enough marginal, 5.1135 is just the measured width of my 2XL (tubeless on Clownshoe).
    But what about lateral flex? I've heard the Carbonara flexes quite a bit, and if there's just a little bit of movement it looks like it'll rub.

    I need the ability to run 2xl on 90mm (the only reason I haven't purchased it yet along with the price), and I've heard mikesee say it's what he'd consider the limit. Curious if even that allows for enough flex though..

    It's width that's the issue though, so to the op: 31'5" diameter clears fine, and 5" will clear fine, so anything in between will work. (meaning all current 27+ and 29 combos)

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    I have a Lauf, switch between the Lauf and a newly purchased Wren 110 mm suspension fork.

    The Lauf requires a slightly different approach for riding downhill.
    I tend to not have a death grip on the bars, and put my weight a little further back.
    Then let the fork do its thing, can get a bit busy on washboard terrain or successive chatter at speed.

    I like it, no fuss, just gets on with it, more than suitable for 90% of the trail riding.

    Climbs really well as expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy81 View Post
    But what about lateral flex? I've heard the Carbonara flexes quite a bit, and if there's just a little bit of movement it looks like it'll rub.
    Got the fork. Tried to fit my 2XL on ClownShoe (100 mm) and yes, it fits. About 5 mm free space at both sides.


    The outside diameter is at highest limit, there is about 53 mm between the tire and fork (unloaded):

    And about same cap between the axle housing and bump stop:


    Tried few kilometers, it felt nice, like between rigid and suspension fork. No rubbing issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Läskimasa View Post
    Definitely yes.

    I don't know why mikesee didn't get 2XL fit on 105 mm rim, overall width is not much wider on 105 mm than on 90 mm rim. But let's try next week with 100 mm Clownshoe and 2XL. There should be 6 mm space at both sides, if I've got right information (Lauf 142 mm, 2XL measured 130 mm).

    Pic from side before:

    Should fit with just enough marginal, 5.1135 is just the measured width of my 2XL (tubeless on Clownshoe).
    thanks chaps. I will put it on the wish list. Bizarrely my rigid bikes now outnumber my suspension bikes 3 to 1 and I'm digging it :-)


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    I ordered a Lauf Fork. The TR 29 in this case. I'm going to use it on the gravel bike I am building and, when the time comes (either next year or in 2018), I'm going to use it on my second Tour Divide Attempt.

    I scratched this year. I rode a fully rigid bike with a Niner fork and while the bike performed very well, the course, while not technical at all, had a lot of bumps and washboard sections that the Lauf will probably smooth out pretty well without a big weight penalty or any maintenance.

    So I'm not buying it to get big air or bomb down some New England rock garden. It's like an adjunct to a rigid fork. Just enough suspension to make the ride comfortable. I tried one on about a mile of Tour Divide-like road and I really liked it. And it's going to rock on my Gravel bike which is actually a Lynskey MT 29 with 1.8 inch tires and flat handlebars.

    My girlfriend and I went on a guided mountain bike vacation on the island of Crete a year ago. The owner of the tour company had a Carbonara fork on his fat bike. Most of the riding was dirt and gravel roads and he seemed to really like it.

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    I'm ordering one for the Sycip i'm having built, but man these guys were certainly ***** to me at sea otter. Without having gone on their site at this point to know specs or anything, i asked them if it would keep within their warranty to run this on my fat bike which is Bionx equipped. (just didnt want to be turned down if i did ever have an issue) Mind you i had enough cash on me, that had he said yes, i would have bought it from him right then and there. He just did a quick chuckle and says "No, not really designed for that." I get home only to find that these guys boast on their website how strong the damn thing is by lifting up a 2 and a half ton Land Rover using a crane a few straps and their fork. So basically expect a good product, but a bunch of stuck up a-holes if you ever need customer service.

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    Not really an e bike product

    This is the weight weenie extraordinaire suspension system.

    Just trying to wrap my head around the idea of an Uber ultra light fork combined with a heavy electric bike.

    My wife wants one, because it is the least amount of weight for the help of suspension. It makes sense for her, she is within a pound or 2 of her optimum weight and in top tier shape. Chasing ounces on a product like this makes sense.

    Maybe lauf doesn't mind skipping the e bike market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yellow_sub View Post
    I'm ordering one for the Sycip i'm having built, but man these guys were certainly ***** to me at sea otter. Without having gone on their site at this point to know specs or anything, i asked them if it would keep within their warranty to run this on my fat bike which is Bionx equipped. (just didnt want to be turned down if i did ever have an issue) Mind you i had enough cash on me, that had he said yes, i would have bought it from him right then and there. He just did a quick chuckle and says "No, not really designed for that." I get home only to find that these guys boast on their website how strong the damn thing is by lifting up a 2 and a half ton Land Rover using a crane a few straps and their fork. So basically expect a good product, but a bunch of stuck up a-holes if you ever need customer service.


    You're way out of line here, so much so that you might consider pointing the 'stuck up a-hole' finger at yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Läskimasa View Post
    Got the fork. Tried to fit my 2XL on ClownShoe (100 mm) and yes, it fits. About 5 mm free space at both sides.
    ..
    Tried few kilometers, it felt nice, like between rigid and suspension fork. No rubbing issues.
    Thank you so much for the details and pictures.
    It looks fantastic and I'm itching to purchase the Carbonara..

    Would you mind to put some light colored tape on the fork opposite the tire knobs and go for a "hard" ride, preferably several miles, on those 2xl's? Male sure you do some sharp turns and try some drops..?
    If there are no marks on the tape then it should be perfectly safe to ride it with 2xl :-)

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    ^ Yes, more kilometers driven now and yes, there is a little signs that the tire is touched to the fork. I can also twist the tire against something and it flex just so much that it touch. But I'm not concern, ordered a piece of some helicopter tape, it is enough protect I need. There goes some little rocks and cones between the fork, so it'll protect those impacts too.
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    How about bigger hits? Higher speeds on rocky terrain? I'm very, very interested of carbonara. I have 80mm Bluto now, do i lose something with Carbonara? Or do i get something with it?

    80mm Bluto is enough for my riding style, but i ride winter also. And Carbonara is maintenance free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brilleaux View Post
    How about bigger hits? Higher speeds on rocky terrain? I'm very, very interested of carbonara. I have 80mm Bluto now, do i lose something with Carbonara? Or do i get something with it?

    80mm Bluto is enough for my riding style, but i ride winter also. And Carbonara is maintenance free.
    You should view the Lauf as more of a ridged fork and not a replacement to a dampened suspension fork. Bigger hits and high speed rock gardens. Sure the Lauf marketing team shows drops and such. Real world use is taking the edge off re-frozen groomers that have been post-holed by moose and dog walkers, or gravel fire roads with pot holes and some light washboard. Think of it as a Thudbuster post. A Thudbuster seat post will not replace a full suspension bike but it will make long day in the saddle a little better. And Thudbusters are not for everyone.

    If you like the Bluto there is no need to switch to the Lauf it will disappoint. Or I the Bluto is overkill the Lauf may be what you are looking for. If you are going from a ridged fork and wand just a little bit of give, nothing is better than the Lauf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Co-opski View Post
    Anyone have Avid bb7s on their Lauf? I'm renewing the old Fatback and looking to see if I can keep my bb7s. I've heard reports of them not working from the UK.
    I have. Works fine with Ø200 mm disc, maybe not possible with Ø180 mm.
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    I read one of the responses claiming that the fork wasn't suitable for a heavier ebike.

    Well I have ridden the Lauf Carbonara on my e fat bike quite a bit.

    The 100mm Bluto that came as standard was quite a disappointment.

    The Lauf is in many ways a better fork for most of the riding. Small trail chatter is very good, and so long as there is no repetitive chatter the fork works very well.

    I also have a Wren fork, which works better on the rockier trails , and at a faster speed does address the rebound issue.

    However, the Lauf still impresses me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Co-opski View Post
    that is what I ended up doing.

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    FYI, good writeup from Christophe Noel over on Expo about his experiences with the Lauf on his Beargrease:

    Long Term Wrap Up: Salsa Beargrease with Lauf Carbonara Fork | Expedition Portal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Läskimasa View Post
    I have. Works fine with Ø200 mm disc, maybe not possible with Ø180 mm.
    I sold the Lefty and picked up a Carbonara ($748 shipped, from eBay, BTW). You are correct in that a 180mm disc with the BB7 mounted direct to post is a no-go. The caliper pivot will hit the fork body. To each his own, but things rubbing back and forth on bare carbon is not my cup of tea. I ended up putting 2 stainless M6 washers between the adjuster plates and the post. This allowed the pivot to clear the fork leg, but is a temp fix only, as the pad does not make 100% contact. I will either need to keep the washers and go to a 183 or 185mm rotor, or ditch the washers, use a traditional 160-180 spacer and go with a 200mm disc, which is probably overkill, but, they can be had for the same price as a 183, sooooo... Here are a few pics for reference. BTW, I love the feel of the Lauf for the kind of riding I do (I do not slay chunk). You really don't notice it as it goes about its business of erasing trail chatter. The Lefty was wonderfully capable, but for my style, was too much fork for me.

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    Seems like a pretty big screw up to have a fork that will not properly fit a 180 rotor and caliper. Do you think that this is exclusive to the bb7 caliper?

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    ^ Yep, because BB7 is a cable version, needs space because of the moving arm on it. Common hydraulic calibers fit directly without issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Negotiator50 View Post
    Seems like a pretty big screw up to have a fork that will not properly fit a 180 rotor and caliper. Do you think that this is exclusive to the bb7 caliper?
    Yes, BB7s are fat bastards. I have seen SRAM Guides that fit just fine with no mods. I'm sure other hydros will fit as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baltobrewer View Post
    FYI, good writeup from Christophe Noel over on Expo about his experiences with the Lauf on his Beargrease:

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    haha, Christophe! I'll have to look him up the next time I'm back in P-town. Did many rides with him
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    Alright, question from the N00B then.
    I am putting together a steel hard tail 29+ SS. It's my one bike to ride anything in Colorado. My riding style is not going to have me hucking 4' drops, more trail and hit the technical stuff I 'think' I can get over on the downhill.

    I was trying to find something light in the 120 squish range (I think the sweet spot for 29+?) and I think this might just fit the bill. I am planning on tires in the 3" - 3.2x size. I am 47, so I don't enjoy a thorough beating when I ride...

    Think this'd be a good fit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlatan View Post
    Alright, question from the N00B then.
    I am putting together a steel hard tail 29+ SS. It's my one bike to ride anything in Colorado. My riding style is not going to have me hucking 4' drops, more trail and hit the technical stuff I 'think' I can get over on the downhill.

    I was trying to find something light in the 120 squish range (I think the sweet spot for 29+?) and I think this might just fit the bill. I am planning on tires in the 3" - 3.2x size. I am 47, so I don't enjoy a thorough beating when I ride...

    Think this'd be a good fit?
    If you lived somewhere flatter, with lots of gravel and/or buff trail, then yes.

    Living where you do, and being as "old" as you are, there's no replacement for real suspension. Even with big squishy 29+ tires. Unless all you ride is Buff Creek. And even then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    If you lived somewhere flatter, with lots of gravel and/or buff trail, then yes.

    Living where you do, and being as "old" as you are, there's no replacement for real suspension. Even with big squishy 29+ tires. Unless all you ride is Buff Creek. And even then...
    Thanks mikesee .. I'll move on then.

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    The Lauf fits a 180 rotor direct mount with a SRAM Guide, I set mine up last night with no issues.

    It's more likely that the BB7 is the problem, a couple washers is not an uncommon practice... they call them caliper spacers

    Quote Originally Posted by Negotiator50 View Post
    Seems like a pretty big screw up to have a fork that will not properly fit a 180 rotor and caliper. Do you think that this is exclusive to the bb7 caliper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    The Lauf fits a 180 rotor direct mount with a SRAM Guide, I set mine up last night with no issues.

    It's more likely that the BB7 is the problem, a couple washers is not an uncommon practice... they call them caliper spacers
    Yep! Using 180mm rotor with SRAM Guide RS and no adapter is needed.
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    So this is my first Lauf, I have experience on rigid fat and suspension fork fat.

    How I woudl describe the Lauf:

    Imagine the difference you feel when you drop the air pressure on your fat tires. Reducing tire pressure helps with shock absorption, but it tends to compromise handling, by causing tire rolling/slop.

    The difference with the Lauf is that the additional shock absorption you get from the Lauf does not compromise handling like a underinflated tire, so you get absorption AND you get stability.

    It's like a thudbuster, but for the entire front end of the bike.

    So far I have not found it to be all that sloppy, but it certainly is light!

    I'm borrowing a freind's Lauf Carbonar light, running 29+, 60mm stem, large Beargrease, I'm 200#. At this point I would not getting the Lauf Carbonara stiff. Sag, if there is such a thing with the Carbonara is 25-30% and I cannot compress the travel at a standstill by more than 60-70%.

    I'll be riding hard tonight, some jumping and small drops, but if I don't have a signfiicant number of bottoming outs, I'll stick with the lighter weight springs.

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    Well, that was an interesting ride!

    First thing that comes to mind: what a bouncy rear end!

    The bounce is very obvious on level, well graded trail, bad enough that I'm bouncing me off the seat as I pedal.

    So I dropped my tire pressure substantially, ~10-12psi on Surly 29 x 3 Dirt Wizards, the bounce was better, but still significant.

    I've ridden 29 rigid, geared, with and without sudpension, and I've never had rear end bounce like this on a narrower tire. On a 4-5" tire I've had some bounce, but dropping pressure usually settled things down.

    I'm trying to blame it on the cf Beargrease frame, but I don't think a little cf fdrame stiffness would cause so much bounce

    I did get the fork to bottom out off a ledge, it made this audible "clack", which caused me to get concerned, so I checked my wheel.

    So I have pulled off the Lauf and installed the factory rigid fork, a quick ride around the yard and the bounce appears to have lessened, but I'll need a real ride to know for sure.

    Anyone else have this experience? All I can figure is either I have become so used to having rear suspension that I've become a "little girl", the Beargrease frame is so stiff that it transmits every movement, or I'm getting feedback from the fork. Either way, something has to change cuz the bounce is not rideable.

    Edit: Just did some riding with rigid, 29+ and 26 x 4, also spent some time on my buddies hard tail 29er... and in my my not so scientific opinion, the Lauf and the carbon Beargrease do not play well togethet.

    Two things were apparent, first, the fork was definitely feeding into the bounce, at certain cadences I couldn't keep my butt on the seat. Second, there was more slop and geometry change in the fork action than I suspected, making the bike far less precise when ridden hard jnto turns.

    It's a cool concept, but it's not that much softer riding than a carbon fork, esp when riding fat, and the cost, combined with less precise steering is no bueno.

    I'd take rigid over the Lauf, but if I really needed suspension then I'd get a real fork.
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    Thought I should chime in with my quick report.

    I've never ridden a Bluto so I cannot compare but I have ridden just about every suspension fork and suspension stem (the dream of the 90s is alive...).

    I put one on my Borealis Yampa. Got it used--retail is pretty darn high.

    I mainly ride my Fatbike on sandy and baby-head rocky beaches--some rides being 4+ hours. i really wanted the low maintenance and low corrosive risk of the Lauf.

    It was a revelation how great the thing road on the first ride. The rocky beach smoothed out considerably. It's so great I find myself riding it all the time now, especially on trails.

    It is definitely not as stiff as the rigid fork or my Lefty struts. But I'm so thrilled with it I'm considering a Grit for my cross bike.

    And while I get some don't like the looks-I think it's cool looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Well, that was an interesting ride!

    First thing that comes to mind: what a bouncy rear end!

    The bounce is very obvious on level, well graded trail, bad enough that I'm bouncing me off the seat as I pedal.

    So I dropped my tire pressure substantially, ~10-12psi on Surly 29 x 3 Dirt Wizards, the bounce was better, but still significant.

    I've ridden 29 rigid, geared, with and without sudpension, and I've never had rear end bounce like this on a narrower tire. On a 4-5" tire I've had some bounce, but dropping pressure usually settled things down.

    I'm trying to blame it on the cf Beargrease frame, but I don't think a little cf fdrame stiffness would cause so much bounce

    I did get the fork to bottom out off a ledge, it made this audible "clack", which caused me to get concerned, so I checked my wheel.

    So I have pulled off the Lauf and installed the factory rigid fork, a quick ride around the yard and the bounce appears to have lessened, but I'll need a real ride to know for sure.

    Anyone else have this experience? All I can figure is either I have become so used to having rear suspension that I've become a "little girl", the Beargrease frame is so stiff that it transmits every movement, or I'm getting feedback from the fork. Either way, something has to change cuz the bounce is not rideable.

    Edit: Just did some riding with rigid, 29+ and 26 x 4, also spent some time on my buddies hard tail 29er... and in my my not so scientific opinion, the Lauf and the carbon Beargrease do not play well togethet.

    Two things were apparent, first, the fork was definitely feeding into the bounce, at certain cadences I couldn't keep my butt on the seat. Second, there was more slop and geometry change in the fork action than I suspected, making the bike far less precise when ridden hard jnto turns.

    It's a cool concept, but it's not that much softer riding than a carbon fork, esp when riding fat, and the cost, combined with less precise steering is no bueno.

    I'd take rigid over the Lauf, but if I really needed suspension then I'd get a real fork.
    I'be not had a chance to try a Lauf on my BG, but very interested. I would hope you would have a better ride experience with the correct springs. At 200lbs you are outside of the light spring range unless I missed something. If I can my Bluto with not enough air it would handle like crap too.

    When I first went from FS to rigid fatbike I was getting bounced off he seat way too much. I was really disappointed with all the pedal strikes and being bucked off. I stuck with it and naturally adjusted. I found myself standing more and keeping the saddle unweighted. I realized FS had made me lazy and I could no longer just sit and put down power thru all the obstacles.

    It's definitely not for everyone but the precise steering, light frontend, and simplicity has really grown on me.

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    Two weeks in. I need more rides but so far it works great on certain trails and not so much on others. Feels like it is trying to catch up sometimes. Oddly enough it work fine on chunky technical stuff. I'm switch to a 2.4 up front and experimenting with tire pressure.

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    I'm in the middle of sanding mine down (got it down to 921grams so far) and as I'm sanding it I can hear small clicks coming from the blades . I'm glad I saw this post as I was getting worried .

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    Will xt brakes with 203 rotors/ adapter from Bluto work with Lauf?
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    I checked sag and looked at how it was responding to input, and I would not say that the light springs were too light, though I did bottom it off a jump. If I bought one, I'd go with heavy springs.

    The biggest thing that stands out in my mind is that the Lauf is not a a suspension fork, so if you're expecting suspension, then the Lauf is not for you. It does provide some give, but it's not even as signfincat as riding a Bluto 80mm fork.

    I hear what you're saying about being used to one system, then moving to another, but the reality is that if I want to ride hard, real suspension is the only answer or I will get beat up.

    Quote Originally Posted by jpfurn View Post
    I'be not had a chance to try a Lauf on my BG, but very interested. I would hope you would have a better ride experience with the correct springs. At 200lbs you are outside of the light spring range unless I missed something. If I can my Bluto with not enough air it would handle like crap too.

    When I first went from FS to rigid fatbike I was getting bounced off he seat way too much. I was really disappointed with all the pedal strikes and being bucked off. I stuck with it and naturally adjusted. I found myself standing more and keeping the saddle unweighted. I realized FS had made me lazy and I could no longer just sit and put down power thru all the obstacles.

    It's definitely not for everyone but the precise steering, light frontend, and simplicity has really grown on me.

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    You're asking the wrong question...why do you need 203mm rotors on a rigid fat bike?


    Quote Originally Posted by dirt-nerd View Post
    Will xt brakes with 203 rotors/ adapter from Bluto work with Lauf?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I checked sag and looked at how it was responding to input, and I would not say that the light springs were too light, though I did bottom it off a jump. If I bought one, I'd go with heavy springs.

    The biggest thing that stands out in my mind is that the Lauf is not a a suspension fork, so if you're expecting suspension, then the Lauf is not for you. It does provide some give, but it's not even as signfincat as riding a Bluto 80mm fork.

    I hear what you're saying about being used to one system, then moving to another, but the reality is that if I want to ride hard, real suspension is the only answer or I will get beat up.
    After spending recent time on all three as well(Bluto, Rigid, and Lauf) I have to agree with you about the Lauf no being the best choice for riding hard.
    I have found the Lauf to be great when riding under 75% effort. Once I tried pushing it in the corners and rough I lost confidence quickly. It is defiantly smoother then full rigid but a lot less predictable. I'm going to take my advice and ride it all winter, but will definitely be going with the Fox plus unless Fox enters the full fat game.

    After riding the Bluto all summer it was a fresh breathe of air going back to rigid. I was really hoping the Lauf would be exactly what I was looking for so I'm really going to give it a chance before selling or throwing it in my wife's Farley!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    You're asking the wrong question...why do you need 203mm rotors on a rigid fat bike?
    Speaking for myself: 265 pounds, plus gear, on long long swoopy downhills = no fade for once
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    Quote Originally Posted by schnee View Post
    Speaking for myself: 265 pounds, plus gear, on long long swoopy downhills = no fade for once
    Good calipers are far more important than rotor size, my wife and I are #350 plus kit, tandem fatbike, and 180's are plenty with Guides. Before we got decent calipers we tried lesser calipers and large rotors...not as good.

    ...and it's a big no way on a 203mm rotor for a Lauf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    ...and it's a big no way on a 203mm rotor for a Lauf.
    Curious as to why you say this. I ask because I'm running BB7s with my Lauf and had to add a couple of washers to the post to clear the caliper body, so I will need to either 1) get hydros to replace the mechs (Guides are the likely choice here) and keep my 180 rotors, or 2) keep the BB7s, get a 20mm post spacer and go to 200s/203s. New rotors are by far the cheaper route, and as I'm not displeased with the performance of the BB7s, I'll likely go this route. They are more fiddly, but fine once they're dialed. Thoughts?

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    ^ That's right. 20 mm spacer and it's ok for Ø 200 or 203 mm disc and BB7.
    Quote Originally Posted by Läskimasa View Post
    I have. Works fine with Ø200 mm disc, maybe not possible with Ø180 mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baltobrewer View Post
    Curious as to why you say this. I ask because I'm running BB7s with my Lauf and had to add a couple of washers to the post to clear the caliper body, so I will need to either 1) get hydros to replace the mechs (Guides are the likely choice here) and keep my 180 rotors, or 2) keep the BB7s, get a 20mm post spacer and go to 200s/203s. New rotors are by far the cheaper route, and as I'm not displeased with the performance of the BB7s, I'll likely go this route. They are more fiddly, but fine once they're dialed. Thoughts?
    Because the mfg says so, which means it voids your warranty if you break the post mounts. That is a huge lever you've creating with those long mounts, on a front brake, mounted to a carbon fork, with an enormous contact patch. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Because the mfg says so
    Mfg said to me when I asked about spacer for Ø 200 mm disc, "just standard 160 to 180 mm PM spacer bridge or equivalent amount of spacer shims."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Good calipers are far more important than rotor size, my wife and I are #350 plus kit, tandem fatbike, and 180's are plenty with Guides.
    Your hills aren't as steep as mine I guess
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    Ok, so:

    Nurse Ben says no.

    Laskimasa says yes.

    What sayeth Lauf? Straight from the horse's mouth:

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    bearing race?

    What bearing race fits well?
    That included with Cane Creek's ECC44/40 seems too tight;
    the seal seems nice, though..

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    Quote Originally Posted by blekenbleu View Post
    What bearing race fits well?
    That included with Cane Creek's ECC44/40 seems too tight;
    the seal seems nice, though..
    I used the Cane Creek crown race and it was an extremely tight fit! Use lots of grease and hit it hard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnee View Post
    Your hills aren't as steep as mine I guess
    Wahahaha!

    North Cascades dude, moto trails, not a lot of stuff steeper or more sustained in NA.

    I ran 180mm rotors on a tandem...you dont need unless you're a pro downhiller; do those guys even run 200mm rotors these days?

    The issue with big rotors is warpage anf flex under load. The Lauf twists noticeably under load, a big rotor is more likely to rub.

    The Lauf needs damping, something like a steering damper from a moto, doesnt needto be much.

    The travel is kinda harsh, I much prefer a rigid or a suspension fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohrgan View Post
    I used the Cane Creek crown race and it was an extremely tight fit! Use lots of grease and hit it hard!

    Or stick the fork in your chest freezer for ~3 or 4 hours (or, um, outside in most of North America right now...) then immediately bang the race on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Or stick the fork in your chest freezer for ~3 or 4 hours (or, um, outside in most of North America right now...) then immediately bang the race on.
    Thanks Mike! I will have to remember that for the future!

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    re: crown bearing race

    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Or stick the fork in your chest freezer for ~3 or 4 hours
    Doh! no chest freezer since Matthew..
    Further research reveals Cane Creek offering 3 different crown races:
    10 series - polymer
    40 series - steel with seal
    110 series - alloy with (double?) seal

    Polymer or alloy likely would be better for carbon fiber crown.

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    tight fit cane creak race on Carbonara fork, put it on my Beargrease a few rides ago. I found even working on the Thomson stem on to steerer tube to be more snug than normal but no issues...

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    re: crown race

    Quote Originally Posted by blekenbleu View Post
    no chest freezer since Matthew
    OK, crown race setter upgraded from plastic to aluminum
    (1.75" OD 0.065" wall tube fits well, avoiding seal contact)
    seated crown race, but not fully.
    Aligning with sun illuminated a small gap on one side.
    Race does not appear to be crooked;
    is Carbonara crown imperfectly square to steerer tube?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blekenbleu View Post
    OK, crown race setter upgraded from plastic to aluminum
    (1.75" OD 0.065" wall tube fits well, avoiding seal contact)
    seated crown race, but not fully.
    Aligning with sun illuminated a small gap on one side.
    Race does not appear to be crooked;
    is Carbonara crown imperfectly square to steerer tube?
    I've always just used PVC pipe to set the race. In these temps, I could just put the fork outside and it'd end up a lot colder than most freezers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    I've always just used PVC pipe to set the race.
    With PVC, mine seemed to stop about 2mm from seated,
    and damaging Cane Creek's integrated seal was a concern.

    In these temps, I could just put the fork outside and it'd end up a lot colder than most freezers
    It was warm enough here today for shorts and tee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baltobrewer View Post
    Ok, so:

    Nurse Ben says no.

    Laskimasa says yes.

    What sayeth Lauf? Straight from the horse's mouth:

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    I've got 2 Lauf forks, a TR29 on my gravel whip and the Carbonara on a Framed Alaska Carbon. My opinion only, it beats the heck out of rigid for small bump compliance (especially on the gravel bike) and takes the sting out of hard to coordinate drops on the fattie.
    Compared to my Spec Fuse plus-bike with Manitou Magnum- the Lauf will never be truly plush in the big hits. It is plush for the smaller stuff, super compliant. It doesn't pump like an old 4" fork without lockout. First, it doesn't have that range. Second, the resistance is progressive. It won't be a Bluto, it shouldn't have to be.
    It is worth noting that it doesn't seem to care about temperature as compared to elastomers and hydraulics. The maintenance kit is a soft cloth.
    It's simple, and it does it's thing. For serious questions, as about, contact Lauf directly. They're more than happy to reply.

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    First little test ride on the Carbonara today. We've been in and out of freeze/thaw cycles all week, so things are a lumpy, crusty mess right now - perfect testing grounds.

    The amount of squish is more noticeable than I thought it would be, but in a good way, and smoother than I was expecting. For this type of chunky, uneven surface riding, it didn't feel bouncy at all, just felt like it was doing what it was supposed to.

    The Blackborow isn't my year-round primary trail bike - it's my winter ride and occasional bikepacking rig, and for these uses, I think the Lauf is going to be exactly what I was looking for.

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    I'm looking at the Carbonara. I only weigh ~150 lbs so i'd be getting the light spring version.

    It appears as though axle wrap could be a concern in hard braking. Does it dive when braking?

    Also some here say it is NOT torsionally rigid and others say it is precise. If not as precise as a rigid fork, is it MORE precise than a bluto?
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    I've got a Regular Spring Carbonara now but had a Bluto. I find the Carbonara to be more predictable than the Bluto under compression while cornering. For me, the Bluto would encounter stiction because of torsional flexing and then suddenly compress. That was a little unnerving and made me more cautious because I didn't always know what the fork would do. The Lauf is very consistent in tracking(however not quite as precise as a rigid fork) through the corner yet is not quite as plush as the Bluto. I would gladly trade that for consistency.

    PS...I weigh around 170 lbs. and am on the border between Light and Regular Springs according to Lauf. I am most likely not flexing the fork as much as someone that weighs more than I do so that probably plays a role in people's opinion of the fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkerik View Post
    I'm looking at the Carbonara. I only weigh ~150 lbs so i'd be getting the light spring version.

    It appears as though axle wrap could be a concern in hard braking. Does it dive when braking?

    Also some here say it is NOT torsionally rigid and others say it is precise. If not as precise as a rigid fork, is it MORE precise than a bluto?
    I would not think that, even given an exceptionally heavy person, that axle wrap would be a concern. IMO, the springs are far too stiff to do so, and given that there are two sets of springs tied together by the axle stanchion, I would think this almost physically impossible. Typically axle wrap on 4X4 vehicles occurs when there is only one set of springs and the axle literally twists itself up.

    I have not experienced lateral flex, but have heard reports of it occurring during very heavy braking combined with hard cornering forces. Personally, if you're riding this hard, then the Lauf probably isn't the fork for you anyway. Go with a Mastodon and call it a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baltobrewer View Post
    I have not experienced lateral flex, but have heard reports of it occurring during very heavy braking combined with hard cornering forces.
    My route to the beach requires moderate braking on a narrow paved downhill curved path, and that braking provokes bothersome directional change appreciably more than occurred with a rigid fork. No experience with Bluto or other telescoping fork and disk brake.

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    Thanks all!

    Very interesting! Hmm
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    bumping this, i'm thinking of picking up a Lauf for my newly acquired Farley 9.6.

    Any other reviews?

    I'm looking to get the regular version and I weigh 215 and ride mostly smooth XC/trail. I'm 43 if that matters.

    I will run my Farley 29 x 3 in summer and 27.5 x 4.5 winter.

    I've had 2 Bluto's and didn't love either of them, I don't really want to add the weight of the Wren or Mastodon for my typical riding.....and not sure the Mastodon will clear the downtube.

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    I have one on my Framed Alaska Carbon. I rode a Bluto before on my Specialized Fatboy Pro. I weigh 210 lbs. and would consider my rides average, with no large obstacles, hard corners, or jumping. I find the weight savings and simplicity to outweigh the additional plushness of the Bluto. I haven't experienced any of the negative handling characteristics mentioned in this thread.

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    Have had mine since November and have been riding in mainly rooty, rocky, chunky stuff. Certainly less plush than my old Lefty, and probably less so than a Bluto or Mastodon, but then again, I don't tend to ride as aggressively as I once did (47 yo here). Bottom line, for me, is that there seems to be an inverse relationship between the aggressiveness of your riding and the appropriateness of a Lauf.

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    Lauf' Carbonara Fork?

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    I had a Lauf for the last 6 months & I weigh a little more than u and it didn't last through the rooty, rocky XC single track I was doing (4x a week) They do stand behind their fork and warrantied it asap. It definitely splits the difference between a bluto & rigid fork but not for real trail riding. Snow & smooth trails it would be great.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt-nerd View Post
    Swerny
    I had a Lauf for the last 6 months & I weigh a little more than u and it didn't last through the rooty, rocky XC single track I was doing (4x a week) They do stand behind their fork and warrantied it asap. It definitely splits the difference between a bluto & rigid fork but not for real trail riding. Snow & smooth trails it would be great.


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    It wasn't a failure yet but the small parts of carbon on leaf springs started to come peal. Then the fork was hitting the stoppers on smaller bumps that they never hit before. I ride a lot of the same trails so it was easy to notice. It did not feel good. I sent a picture to rep and asked what they thought .... After a few emails they sent me new forks & I sent mine back.


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    It's been a while since I've performed the annual maintenance on my Lauf, so with the impending winter, I figured it was time.

    I took a warm, wet rag and wiped it down, which removed most of the dust/dirt. And then I took the extra step of cleaning and greasing the thru-axle.

    And then I poured a pint, kicked back, and admired my handiwork.
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    The provided toolkit is handy, but my last ride got a little muddy. Used a roto-brush hose attachment, gently scouring away the muck. Also replaced fork seals, on my 1998 Judy XL. That was more work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smithhammer View Post
    It's been a while since I've performed the annual maintenance on my Lauf, so with the impending winter, I figured it was time.

    I took a warm, wet rag and wiped it down, which removed most of the dust/dirt. And then I took the extra step of cleaning and greasing the thru-axle.

    And then I poured a pint, kicked back, and admired my handiwork.

    Strong work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Strong work.
    Thanks. As you know, it's better to keep ahead of it rather than wait until it seizes up in the middle of a ride.

    One of these days, I'm going to put together a video of the step-by-step service process...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smithhammer View Post
    Thanks. As you know, it's better to keep ahead of it rather than wait until it seizes up in the middle of a ride.

    One of these days, I'm going to put together a video of the step by step process...

    You'll need a super-slow-mo camera to catch the fine details. Might not be worth bothering with anything less.

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    Crazy design hard on the eyes. But definitely an original design

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    Quote Originally Posted by STAGER1 View Post
    Crazy design hard on the eyes.
    Not that hard.

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    local fast rider f'd up a Lauf. It went limp on him. Lauf sent him another with no issue.

    I am considering one, but only if i can get a deal on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smithhammer View Post
    It's been a while since I've performed the annual maintenance on my Lauf, so with the impending winter, I figured it was time.

    I took a warm, wet rag and wiped it down, which removed most of the dust/dirt. And then I took the extra step of cleaning and greasing the thru-axle.

    And then I poured a pint, kicked back, and admired my handiwork.
    It sure is nice when a job comes easy. Sweet!

    I almost bought one but got a deal on a bluto. How does it track on the curves compared to a bluto or rigid fork?
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    Quote Originally Posted by theGliberal View Post
    Not that hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkerik View Post
    How does it track on the curves compared to a bluto or rigid fork?
    I'd preface it by saying that my fat bike is largely for winter riding, and the occasional bikepacking trip. For summer trail riding, I have a totally different, plus bike. So for what I use it for, I think the Lauf is great. It offers 60mm of travel which, combined with a 4-5" tire, is plenty to smooth out chundery snow, etc. I honestly don't notice much flex in the curves, but then again like I said, I'm not using this for serious dirt trail riding and hitting curves at high speeds.

    And like I joked above, I love that it maintenance free. I already have plenty of sus maintenance to attend to on several other bikes - the fact that I don't have to even think about this one is a big bonus for me as well.

    And yeah, I actually think it looks pretty cool. But it seems to be a love or hate thing, much like IPAs or cilantro....
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    I have one coming for my new suzi q. I also have a bluto sitting here. I’m going to try the lauf first though. I have no serious trails to ride on, mainly just winter wet and cold paths. So I’m hoping the lauf will be good enough.

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    I'm happy with mine so far, but I've only run it 29+
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    What spring rate are people running? 185# person here
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    Considering a Lauf... Everyone still happy with theirs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by demondan View Post
    What spring rate are people running? 185# person here
    I'm 175# and running the 'Light' spring rate. Can't say I would want it any stiffer.

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    Considering a Lauf... Everyone still happy with theirs?
    Yup - no complaints!

    Anyone found an inexpensive plastic fender (preferably the kind that zip ties on) for the Carbonara?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    Considering a Lauf... Everyone still happy with theirs?
    Yep, still very happy with mine. Happy enough that I just got one for my wife’s bike as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    Considering a Lauf... Everyone still happy with theirs?

    Yes, but I do not think this is your bowl of oatmeal...

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    I'm still happy with mine, winter wheels going on shortly. I've only run it 29+ so far
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    I am still happy with mine. it works the trails pretty good, even has taken some good old Clyde abuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    Considering a Lauf... Everyone still happy with theirs?
    Yes. Did the Chequamegon 40 with no issues. Can't wait for winter.
    Remember, nobody knows. So let's find out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Yes, but I do not think this is your bowl of oatmeal...
    darn, i like oatmeal too.

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    Dude, I like oatmeal too, but sometimes you just need a friggin omelette!!

    I rode a Lauf for a bit on a Beargrease. It's a nice fork, waay better riding than rigid, BUT, it's not for hard charging, certainly not a fork I enjoyed jumping or pushing hard into corners. If I was riding a full on fatty for snow and wanted lightweight and no maintenance, I'd get a Lauf.

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    darn, i like oatmeal too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    ....If I was riding a full on fatty for snow and wanted lightweight and no maintenance, I'd get a Lauf.
    This.
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    OK, first post here (hooray?)... and new fat biker after finally moving back home to Iowa! Buying a Beargrease NX1 and swapping out many parts to lighten it up a bit. Really want a Carbonara but just need to know... is there any chance the Tangerine Matte matches the NX1? Seems like it might... then again, seems like it might just be close enough to be aweful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by masini View Post
    OK, first post here (hooray?)... and new fat biker after finally moving back home to Iowa! Buying a Beargrease NX1 and swapping out many parts to lighten it up a bit. Really want a Carbonara but just need to know... is there any chance the Tangerine Matte matches the NX1? Seems like it might... then again, seems like it might just be close enough to be aweful!
    I'd be asking Lauf and Salsa. They can probably both tell you the RAL number and then you would know for sure.
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    The funny thing is, I just sent my Lauf back to Jenson because of a color thing. My bike, I thought, was white. So I ordered the white Lauf. It sat in the garage for a month, and when I finally got around to installing it, realized the colors are off enough to look bad. The Lauf is really pure white, and my Suzi Q is more like a light cream white. Visually they looked horrible together...like the fork had too much teeth whitening done, face to face with a chain smoker. So I just threw a Bluto on there in black and moved on.

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    OMG. You did not really use spray foam on a $900 fork? Did you? EEEEEK!

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    Wert da ferk?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by curtlo-dork View Post
    OMG. You did not really use spray foam on a $900 fork? Did you? EEEEEK!
    no, that would be crazy. I used spray foam on a $700 fork (street price).

    I upped the cool factor with some Batman duct tape.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    no, that would be crazy. I used spray foam on a $700 fork (street price).

    And the end goal was...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    And the end goal was...?
    to piss of BookFace users on the Fat Bike list. So far, so good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    to piss of BookFace users on the Fat Bike list. So far, so good.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    to piss of BookFace users on the Fat Bike list. So far, so good.
    In that case, I yearn for the day I have your disposable income.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smithhammer View Post
    In that case, I yearn for the day I have your disposable income.
    Can you afford nothing? Cause that is what is cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    Can you afford nothing? Cause that is what is cost.
    Well then good on ya. But was there actually a functional reason besides pissing off BookFace users?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smithhammer View Post
    Well then good on ya. But was there actually a functional reason besides pissing off BookFace users?
    yeah, fork was trash. f'ing around with it, actually brought life back into it. I don't expect it to last, but it made quite a difference from what it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    yeah, fork was trash. f'ing around with it, actually brought life back into it. I don't expect it to last, but it made quite a difference from what it was.
    Interesting. Curious to see how the mod fares after more usage. Was it the "light" version and you're trying to stiffen it up a bit?
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    installed the HAHAHA and have about 30 min on it. so far, so good. it is a definite improvement on what was there before. #expandingfoamforworldpeace



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    NEVERMIND. HAHAHA failed again, and is now in the trash. I tried. Meh.

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    what about some tight wound rubber strips on the outside of the forks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    NEVERMIND. HAHAHA failed again, and is now in the trash. I tried. Meh.
    Leaf springs deteriorated?
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    I would love to trade my mastadon for a carbonara.....just sayin"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smithhammer View Post
    Leaf springs deteriorated?
    Warranty?!

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    Ditto. I’ve had my Mastodon available for sale or (ideally) trade for a few weeks now. Wrong time of year I think...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Ditto. I’ve had my Mastodon available for sale or (ideally) trade for a few weeks now. Wrong time of year I think...
    i would have bought yours, but i needed a standard mastodon...

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    I have removed my Mastadon from my fat boy and would like to trade (or sell it) for a lauf if anyone is interested.

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    Hi Guys, new owner of Carbonara, Pretty sweet, didn't take it to trail yet as there is snow in some places, hopefully by the weekend.
    I got a question about how do you set up the stem.
    Because I'm using a tapered headset adapter, that has elongated the requirement for the steerer length.
    I got a pretty standard steerer length about 7 3/8s".
    so basically I got 1 good expander cap https://goo.gl/images/RUw7Ge
    if I put the steerer with no spacers directly on the FSA dust cap, i get maybe 2mm of steerer showing up on top of the fork. but the suggestion from the manufacturer is atleast a 5mm Spacer on top.
    So to make a snug fit from the TOP it takes basically 2x5mm spacers from bottom so that I can properly fit the top cap to hold it in place, and the bottom bolt of the stem has a solid grip in the middle of the expander plug, however the top Bolt has very little carbon steerer+ the inside of the aluminum expander plug.

    any suggestions? comments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmitry View Post
    so basically I got 1 good expander cap https://goo.gl/images/RUw7Ge
    if I put the steerer with no spacers directly on the FSA dust cap, i get maybe 2mm of steerer showing up on top of the fork. but the suggestion from the manufacturer is atleast a 5mm Spacer on top.
    So to make a snug fit from the TOP it takes basically 2x5mm spacers from bottom so that I can properly fit the top cap to hold it in place, and the bottom bolt of the stem has a solid grip in the middle of the expander plug, however the top Bolt has very little carbon steerer+ the inside of the aluminum expander plug.

    any suggestions? comments?
    If you have 2mm of steer tube above the stem, a 5mm spacer on top should suffice. If that doesn't work, perhaps one above and one below?

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    This seems to be the Lauf Fat thread with the biggest amount of posts... given that it has been a few years now, who still has one and how is it holding up?
    Silly bike things happening.

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    I still have mine on my Farley . Still working fine and haven't had any problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Rides Bikes View Post
    This seems to be the Lauf Fat thread with the biggest amount of posts... given that it has been a few years now, who still has one and how is it holding up?
    have't heard anything bad, but they definitely cannot handle repeated bottoming. warranty is good in case it goes flat. i would not buy one used for this reason.
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