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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy Carter View Post
    I'm not sure about 29+ or B fat but one of the two rather than 26" fat. I already have plenty of 26" fat stuff and I want this bike mostly for a non-snow bike with the benefit of fat tires.

    I plan to carry over my winter 26fat stuff to this bike if needed so I can compromise on winter worthiness if that means I can get something more suited to dirt.

    29+ will best complement your 26 fat stuff. 29+ is faster, more efficient, more fun if speed thrills are your thing.

    B Fat kinda splits the difference. Personally I've punted almost all of my 26 fat stuff. I ride 29+ when I want to cover ground efficiently. I ride B Fat when I want to act like a hooligan and get away with it, or when the snow is reasonably (or very) packed. I ride 26 fat only on the deepest, fluffiest snow days, when making forward progress means 1psi and a lot of patience.

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    I've run the Wozo at 100mm, 120mm, and at 140mm (current).

    If you like to jump and play and you plan to use the Wozo for all mountain riding, I'd go with more travel.

    The nice thing about the Mastodon fork is you can set the maximum travel to whatever you want (up to 150mm), then use the fork pump to reduce travel.

    29+ would give you the broadest range of uses, but for playfulness the 27+ is better, though bb height is an issue depending on where you ride.


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    I run the SRAM GX Eagle 165mm cranks on both my bikes, pedal strike is reduced, they fit perfect, chainline is great with a Boost offset ring, I can even backpedal in my 46t without the chain skipping off the cog.

    On the Wozo I am using the "screw together" press fit bb by Wheels Manufacturing, works great, no creak whatsoever, spins smooth, a very high quality product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhioPT View Post
    29+ for sure, with a 120mm fork. Geometry is perfect for it. Go with 35'ish internal width rims and you can even mount 29 x 2.4-2.6 tires if you decide 29+ tires are not your thing (most who try 29+ stick with it though).
    This^^^
    I'm running a slightly longer 130mm Mastodon Pro Std (541mm A2C) and it's been perfect for me here on the Front Range in CO. I have the stock wheelset with the JJ's and then a 2nd set...29x3's (Chupas) on WTB i35's. I went for the i35's in the event I didn't like the 29+ tires, so I could still dial down to 2.5's if needed and still maintain a respectable BB height, but I've gotten on real well with the Chupas, so no plans to move to a smaller tire come spring/summer. I tried + tires on a longer travel 27.5 and hated it, but on a hardtail and in 29+ format it's bomber, fast with the dialed geom of the Wozo. I'm a a year in on this bike now and the versatility of this bike is just so nice. I really, really love this bike...so much more then I thought I would.

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    Thanks guys. I think I knew I wanted to try the 29+ and this all seals that thought. Here in the midwest the trails are about carrying speed, not rocky or too technical where I ride. So, it looks like I'll be going that way.

    I also decided on an XL frame. After looking over the numbers and suggestion so many times and still not quite understanding all of it I took the time and sketch out my current bike and the Wozo in AutoCad. I have never felt like a bike was big enough for me but I'm not generally over the suggested sizing at 6'4" tall. But there's a couple things I'd really like in a bike. I wanted a longer front from crank to bar and more rider area while seated than any of my current bikes. And, the short CS will be much livelier and has become a requirement. So going through this exercise really helped me understand the differences between what I have now and the large vs XL Wozo.

    I'm sure my numbers are off a couple mm here and there on my sketch but I can live with the error factors. I learned that you better take every dimension into account when comparing bikes and that it's really easy to overlook some things. Top tube length and reach which are common numbers I see people referring to simply don't tell enough about what's going on with the big picture. Then there is also the unknown of just how good the published geo numbers on each bike are and if they were measured in the same manner from one brand to the next. All this means that I need to consider that my numbers are really +/- a bit but do give a generally good idea of the differences.

    I'm not too concerned with standover because I don't ride in truly deep snow. And, my Felt DD had a pretty high top tube that I was able to work with so I'm familiar with the process. So, I didn't concern myself with this when deciding.

    Cliff notes of what I'll get out of an XL Wozo:

    • Moving from a 65mm to 40mm stem will net a 40mm longer crank to bar position (not reach as normally measured on geo charts). I like this because when I stand my arms go almost straight down from my shoulder to the bars, or that's what it feels like anyway. This should give me a better angle on them.
    • The steeper seat tube moves me forward over the cranks by ~12mm. This will be good because I sometimes feel like I'm pushing the pedals forward on the current bike.
    • Seat to bar length is about 28mm longer than my current bike with the seat tube angle of the Wozo. That'll stretch me out some but not drastically. I feel a bit too upright on the current bikes.


    With the Large Wozo the crank to bar position with a 40mm stem is about 5mm longer than my current bike, not much really. But, the seat to bar is 10mm shorter so a Large Wozo will have a bit less rider room than I have now. I could go back to the 65mm stem like I have now but really I like the shorter stems and want to be on a bike that allows me to use them. I've ridden with a 40 and 50mm quite a bit but they just make all my current bikes too small for me. So, I ordered the XL, done, no going back now.

    Did I over think this. Yep, I sure did! Thanks for paying attention if you got this far into rant.

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    Kona Wozo Review: 420mm chainstay, runs 29+ to 26 x 4.8!-gr001-3706_wozo-1024.jpg

    I built up a B-fat wheelset for the Wozo: DT Swiss hubs to Jackalopes with a Gnarwhal in front (studded with 45nrth XL studs) and a Cake Eater in back (factory studded with Terrene triple crown studs).

    As others have said, the Gnarwhal is huge. Newly mounted I measured 111mm knobs and 109mm casing (just about the same width as the Edna 4.3 I was running in the back), the diameter, with XL studs, is 31" (~787mm) - nearly a full inch larger than the Minion FBF 4.8 (~762mm) I was using in front.

    So far no contact with the Mantitou STD comp crown but I'm planning on adding 10mm worth of bottom out spacers to be safe.

    The Cake Eater measured 97mm knobs and 96mm casing on the 80mm rims - so 3.8 out of the box. At ~760mm diameter it is taller than the Edna (~750mm) and just shy of the Minion 4.8.

    Despite the extra 10mm diameter the Cake Eater has more chainstay clearance than the Edna did with the dropouts in the same position due to the narrower width.

    Based on the fresh dimensions the 4.5 Gnarwhal just might squeeze in the back, but add studs and stretching and I think you'd be risking a gouged frame. It may be doable on a 65mm rim.

    I posted some ride impressions on the Cake Eater here.
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    I've been running the Gnarwall 4.5 on Jackalopes, fit is fine.

    BTW: I'm considering selling my brand new, Mikesee built Barbe 4.5/Jackalope/DT Swiss wheelset. I'm just not riding snow as much as I did in WA, so I'm getting a 29+ wheelset.

    Send a PM if interested.

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    I built up a B-fat wheelset for the Wozo: DT Swiss hubs to Jackalopes with a Gnarwhal in front (studded with 45nrth XL studs) and a Cake Eater in back (factory studded with Terrene triple crown studs).

    As others have said, the Gnarwhal is huge. Newly mounted I measured 111mm knobs and 109mm casing (just about the same width as the Edna 4.3 I was running in the back), the diameter, with XL studs, is 31" (~787mm) - nearly a full inch larger than the Minion FBF 4.8 (~762mm) I was using in front.

    So far no contact with the Mantitou STD comp crown but I'm planning on adding 10mm worth of bottom out spacers to be safe.

    The Cake Eater measured 97mm knobs and 96mm casing on the 80mm rims - so 3.8 out of the box. At ~760mm diameter it is taller than the Edna (~750mm) and just shy of the Minion 4.8.

    Despite the extra 10mm diameter the Cake Eater has more chainstay clearance than the Edna did with the dropouts in the same position due to the narrower width.

    Based on the fresh dimensions the 4.5 Gnarwhal just might squeeze in the back, but add studs and stretching and I think you'd be risking a gouged frame. It may be doable on a 65mm rim.

    I posted some ride impressions on the Cake Eater here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I've been running the Gnarwall 4.5 on Jackalopes, fit is fine.
    Ben, are you running Gnarwhals are Barbegazis? I've seen pics of your bike with Barbegazis, didn't know you switched to Gnarwhals. Gnarwhal has same casing as the Barbe but bigger knobs so even less clearance, then add studs.

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    Yeah, Barbes, I was spacing out when I wrote that message.

    Quote Originally Posted by david.p View Post
    Ben, are you running Gnarwhals are Barbegazis? I've seen pics of your bike with Barbegazis, didn't know you switched to Gnarwhals. Gnarwhal has same casing as the Barbe but bigger knobs so even less clearance, then add studs.

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    Issues with my Mastodon, so reinstalled the Fox 34. Fits a Flowbeist 4.6 on Marge Lite! Handling is great with 140mm travel. Dunderbeist 4.6 rear was rubbing the chain in lower gears, so back to the VanHelga which does quite well for a 4.0 tire.

    Kona Wozo Review: 420mm chainstay, runs 29+ to 26 x 4.8!-img_20180123_195640_910.jpg

    Enjoying this bike more every ride. Looking forward to 29+ testing. Never did get comfortable with the 27.5x3.8 FBR/FBF combo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCT View Post
    Issues with my Mastodon, so reinstalled the Fox 34. Fits a Flowbeist 4.6 on Marge Lite! Handling is great with 140mm travel. Dunderbeist 4.6 rear was rubbing the chain in lower gears, so back to the VanHelga which does quite well for a 4.0 tire.

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    Wow, impressed that fork fits that combo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PCT View Post
    Enjoying this bike more every ride. Looking forward to 29+ testing. Never did get comfortable with the 27.5x3.8 FBR/FBF combo.
    Cool rig. Can totally relate to the 'enjoying it more every ride' take. Curious about the 27.5 opinion - was it the tires? Something else you didn't like?
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    I've splurged and got a Bike Yoke 185mm dropper on order for my Wozo. It's about 2x the cost I could get a 150mm dropper for but the extra room looks like it will be incredible to have when wanted. I had never heard of Bike Yoke before but the reviews look really good for the them in general and I figure I'm only doing this once if it works as suggested.

    And, there is a drawing of the dropper online that I was able to use to confirm that it should fit the XL frame with the seat position I need which I was able to confirm now that I have the frame in hand. I hope my measurements are right!

    https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/Vi...per-Posts,1762

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Mega View Post
    Cool rig. Can totally relate to the 'enjoying it more every ride' take. Curious about the 27.5 opinion - was it the tires? Something else you didn't like?
    Felt like I couldn't get the B-fat setup dialed in terms of psi and fork tuning. FWIW didn't like them on my Fatillac either. Probably need to further test before throwing in the towel. FBR/FBF on Scrapers are tiiiight, takes me 40 minutes to install/remove a tire, worse than Hodags for that.

    Hopeful that 27.5+ or 29+ will be great, ala Big Honzo. Plenty of wheels and tires to play with.

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    Been riding my Wozo for 17 months now and absolutely love it! I put a Manitou Mastodon (set at 140) on it last fall and could not be happier with the bike! I've been running a Bud and Nate during the winter and then JJs during the summer and have been planning on switching to Maxxis tires this summer. However, after following this thread I'm now wondering if I should run 29er+ or even 27.5 Fat for summer riding. Bikepacking, Maah Daah Hey 150 style races, and lots of desert and Rocky Mountain riding is what I typically enjoy. I have a Krampus in the quiver now but I love my Wozo more. Thinking having 2 sets of wheels for the Wozo might better serve my needs. What do you all think, 29er+ or 27.5 Fat as a complimentary set of wheels?

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    Sell the Krampus and use that money to lace up a really nice 29+ or B-fat wheelset, that's what I'd do.

    Still contemplating which format to choose micelf.

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    ^^ +1
    Since you know you like 29+, I'd go there first. Then decide if you want to try 27.5x3.8 later.

    I'll probably end up with three wheelsets for my Wozo (27.5x80mm, 27.5x50mm, and 29x45mm).

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    29+ for sure, the 27+ is a pedal dragger even with a 140mm fork.

    Down the road you should ditch the 26Ē for a 27.5 x 50, then youíd have a wheelset to use for 27+ and b fat.

    ... and sell the Krampus, the Wozo is a far better riding bike in every way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemusher View Post
    Been riding my Wozo for 17 months now and absolutely love it! I put a Manitou Mastodon (set at 140) on it last fall and could not be happier with the bike! I've been running a Bud and Nate during the winter and then JJs during the summer and have been planning on switching to Maxxis tires this summer. However, after following this thread I'm now wondering if I should run 29er+ or even 27.5 Fat for summer riding. Bikepacking, Maah Daah Hey 150 style races, and lots of desert and Rocky Mountain riding is what I typically enjoy. I have a Krampus in the quiver now but I love my Wozo more. Thinking having 2 sets of wheels for the Wozo might better serve my needs. What do you all think, 29er+ or 27.5 Fat as a complimentary set of wheels?

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    Thanks for the input! I'm worried the 27.5 Fat would be too similar to what I already have. The 29+ is appealing for the speed but I sure would miss that big ol' soft back tire. Thinking options are nice.

    You guys that are running your Mastodon at 140 are you also running the same size tires or still 4" in the back and 5" up front? I assume the 29+ would be equal?

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    Thereís no reason to run different tire widths, the stock mixed tired combo is some wierdness Kona did because they specíd the bike with a rim width that made a 5Ē rear tire to wide for the frame.

    I run the same tire sizes front and rear. You just need to make sure your tire/rim combo is not too wide, for example a Minion 4.8 on a 65mm rim fits fine as does a Barbe 4.5 on an 80mm rim.

    The dropouts need to be slid back for bigger wheels, half way for 29+, all the way back for Barbe 4.5, all the way forward for b fats.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemusher View Post
    Thanks for the input! I'm worried the 27.5 Fat would be too similar to what I already have. The 29+ is appealing for the speed but I sure would miss that big ol' soft back tire. Thinking options are nice.

    You guys that are running your Mastodon at 140 are you also running the same size tires or still 4" in the back and 5" up front? I assume the 29+ would be equal?

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    Awesome thread!

    So I'm jumping into a build feet first blind!

    I used to take my Haro DJ to Rays when they were around, but now I've moved and Rays is closed so I sold that bike and sold another to fund a new fatbike DJ around the Wozo. I also really wanted something I could run 2 wheelsets, a 26" 4.5"-ish for the winter, and a 29x3 for the summer.

    Basically bought the frame and started sketching out the build. I'm particular to Hayes and Manitou because they are out of Milwaukee too and I've had really really good luck with all their products in the past.

    I need help critiquing before I finialize the order and start getting parts.

    I wasnt certain if the Mastadon Pro 120 EXT is appropriate or not, or if I could go with just the STD fork. I though running 5" up front would be fine for snow.

    Also, on my DJ I had a 34/16 setup, and just based on that and using a gear inch calculation, came up with just shifting to 34/20 gear setup.

    I'm 6'2" with a 34" inseam.

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    No need for EXT, the STD fits 29+, but to be safe you can add a 10mm spacer which is half the added A-C you get from an EXT.

    Also, you can increase fork travel to 150mm, then reduce it using a shock pump, so my suggestion is increase travel to 140mm, then play around until you find your sweet spot; I like mine 140mm

    Tire choice: Chronicles are quite possibly the worst 29er tire ever created. Minions, DW, anything but Chronicles.

    The Wozo has a very low bb, so I'd suggest 170's at the minimum.

    Wheel size...if you want the DJ feel, 27+ is where you want to be. 29+ is a , very, very tall tire, does not ride like a DJ; rides like a 29+. For 27+ I'd highly recomend a 165mm crank; I run SRAM GX.

    27.5 x 3 is ~ the same height as a 26 x 4.

    29+ is about the same size as a 27.5 x 4.5

    You might be able to swing a 175mm dropper.

    Single speed? If you insist

    Quote Originally Posted by captainmorgan View Post
    Awesome thread!

    So I'm jumping into a build feet first blind!

    I used to take my Haro DJ to Rays when they were around, but now I've moved and Rays is closed so I sold that bike and sold another to fund a new fatbike DJ around the Wozo. I also really wanted something I could run 2 wheelsets, a 26" 4.5"-ish for the winter, and a 29x3 for the summer.

    Basically bought the frame and started sketching out the build. I'm particular to Hayes and Manitou because they are out of Milwaukee too and I've had really really good luck with all their products in the past.

    I need help critiquing before I finialize the order and start getting parts.

    I wasnt certain if the Mastadon Pro 120 EXT is appropriate or not, or if I could go with just the STD fork. I though running 5" up front would be fine for snow.

    Also, on my DJ I had a 34/16 setup, and just based on that and using a gear inch calculation, came up with just shifting to 34/20 gear setup.

    I'm 6'2" with a 34" inseam.

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    I've got a couple of the stock WTB Volt Kona branded saddles available that came off my wife and my Wozo's if you're interested in one for your build.
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    No need for EXT, the STD fits 29+, but to be safe you can add a 10mm spacer which is half the added A-C you get from an EXT.

    Also, you can increase fork travel to 150mm, then reduce it using a shock pump, so my suggestion is increase travel to 140mm, then play around until you find your sweet spot; I like mine 140mm

    Tire choice: Chronicles are quite possibly the worst 29er tire ever created. Minions, DW, anything but Chronicles.

    The Wozo has a very low bb, so I'd suggest 170's at the minimum.

    Wheel size...if you want the DJ feel, 27+ is where you want to be. 29+ is a , very, very tall tire, does not ride like a DJ; rides like a 29+. For 27+ I'd highly recomend a 165mm crank; I run SRAM GX.

    27.5 x 3 is ~ the same height as a 26 x 4.

    29+ is about the same size as a 27.5 x 4.5

    You might be able to swing a 175mm dropper.

    Single speed? If you insist
    Eh, Singlespeed works here, no real elevation to climb, and what there is is short and punchy. If the ratio I have picked out works as expected, I wont even notice it.

    The max on the Fox Transfer is 150mm.... so thats the best I can get, I'll play around with insertion on it.

    I really was confused on the STD vs EXT

    I'll look into the 27.5+ wheels. I know on my FS trail bike, I instantly regretted not getting the 27.5+ size as I wanted high volume tires immediately and maxed out at 2.8"

    I'll look into tires too! lol

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    Super simple:

    The EXT has 20mm longer stanchions than the STD, but this extra length is not usable, all it does is add an inch of tire clearance.

    The STD clears 29+ and 5Ē tires, but itís cutting it close in some combinations. You can take the risk (as I do) or you can add a 10mm spacer to limit compression. In this configuration you have a maximum of 140mm of travel.

    The only reason to get an EXT is if you want more A to C, you want more clearance AND you want 150mm travel, or you like the way it looks

    Quote Originally Posted by captainmorgan View Post
    Eh, Singlespeed works here, no real elevation to climb, and what there is is short and punchy. If the ratio I have picked out works as expected, I wont even notice it.

    The max on the Fox Transfer is 150mm.... so thats the best I can get, I'll play around with insertion on it.

    I really was confused on the STD vs EXT

    I'll look into the 27.5+ wheels. I know on my FS trail bike, I instantly regretted not getting the 27.5+ size as I wanted high volume tires immediately and maxed out at 2.8"

    I'll look into tires too! lol

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    My wozo bottom bracket is worn out. Does anyone know which one I need to order?

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    A better one the second time around

    Not RF, e13 is okay. I run SRAM.

    Quote Originally Posted by GspotRider View Post
    My wozo bottom bracket is worn out. Does anyone know which one I need to order?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GspotRider View Post
    My wozo bottom bracket is worn out. Does anyone know which one I need to order?
    I usually just replace the bearings with a better quality if possible.

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    How many miles have people been getting on the RF BB bearings?

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    Anyone have experience with this Wheels Manufacturing "threaded" bottom bracket as an upgrade in their WOZO? https://wheelsmfg.com/bottom-bracket...nks-black.html

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    This is the one that I ordered.

    https://wheelsmfg.com/bottom-bracket...nks-black.html

    Ill chime in when I get it installed.

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    Yup, running one now, works great.

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    Anyone have experience with this Wheels Manufacturing "threaded" bottom bracket as an upgrade in their WOZO? https://wheelsmfg.com/bottom-bracket...nks-black.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy Carter View Post
    I've splurged and got a Bike Yoke 185mm dropper on order for my Wozo. It's about 2x the cost I could get a 150mm dropper for but the extra room looks like it will be incredible to have when wanted. I had never heard of Bike Yoke before but the reviews look really good for the them in general and I figure I'm only doing this once if it works as suggested.

    And, there is a drawing of the dropper online that I was able to use to confirm that it should fit the XL frame with the seat position I need which I was able to confirm now that I have the frame in hand. I hope my measurements are right!

    https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/Vi...per-Posts,1762
    I just put a 125 on my medium Wozo. I wanted the 160 but it wouldnít fit. The seat tube being curved limits the insertion.

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    Has anyone owned or ridden both the Wozo and the Honzo? How different are they?

    Iíve been thinking of building up a 27.5+ wheelset for the Wozo. From everything Iíve read here it will be really low. Iím on the stock bluto. How much will it drop it? Not a lot of technical stuff where I ride. Mostly flow trails. Does 29+ fit the bluto ok?

    Then the more I thought about building the wheels, the more I thought maybe another bike makes more sense. Thatís where the honzo question comes in. Considering saving the cost of the wheelset, selling my Kona Precept which has barely been ridden since I got the Wozo, and buying either the honzo AL/DL or going all out on the CR DL.

    Once last question. If I do go with a wheelset how easy is switching back and forth. Do the brakes and rear derailleur need adjustment every time you go back and forth?

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    If you see yourself wanting to switch wheels often enough a 2nd bike makes sense. I'm planning on doing mostly seasonal changes with winter B-fat studded tires (4-4.5s on 80mm rims), spring/fall B-fat (3.8s on 50mm rims), and summer 29+ (3" on 45mm rims).

    If the wheels use the same rubs and rotors you shouldn't need much/any adjustment after the swap. I'm planning on moving a single cassette between wheels since it won't add much time to the swap.

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    I tried moving the rear wheel forward in the dropouts on my wife's Wozo earlier and had a big fat fail. The tensioner bolts for sliding dropouts just wouldn't move, is there a knack I'm missing?

    With a hex inserted into the end of them (2.5mm I think...) neither of them would move at all, am I supposed to be finding a tiny wrench for the nut instead??
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement View Post
    I tried moving the rear wheel forward in the dropouts on my wife's Wozo earlier and had a big fat fail. The tensioner bolts for sliding dropouts just wouldn't move, is there a knack I'm missing?

    With a hex inserted into the end of them (2.5mm I think...) neither of them would move at all, am I supposed to be finding a tiny wrench for the nut instead??
    I had to double nut mine to get them to move. Take the nut off one, put it on the other tight against the one already on it and turn the inside one. Mine had thread lock on it which kept it from moving easily.

    oddly enough I just had a look at mine and the threaded piece and nut is missing from both sides now. Guess the thread lock was doing something. I donít think they serve much purpose though.

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    Is the frame dropout also threaded to hold the threaded rod?
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement View Post
    Is the frame dropout also threaded to hold the threaded rod?
    Yes, and thatís where there was thread lock which made it hard to remove the first time.

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    I guess I'll just have to try harder...I couldn't find a wrench small enough to attack the nuts during the last attempt.
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    Yes, I've ridden the Honzo, also had a Taro.

    You're talking apples and oranges, Honzo is 29 specific, steel, 73mm bb, etc...

    You can ride the Wozo 27+, but you will be low, but whether it's too low kinda depends on where you ride. If you run a long travel fork it will be fine most everywhere.

    You don't need a Wozo. Dump the Bluto, get a Mastodon, bump it to 140mm, then get your wheels.

    If you want 29+, the Wozo works, but the Honzo doesn't. Big Honzo would work, but honestly a 29+ Wozo with a long travel fork makes more sense since you have that bike now.

    I switch wheels all the time, take two sets with me on trips.

    Wheel and brake adjustment depends on whether your two wheelsets are alike enough in offset, etc... I generally adjust the brakes each time, derraileur sometimes, but I have two bikes, three wheelsets, and two hub styles.

    Quote Originally Posted by TJayL View Post
    Has anyone owned or ridden both the Wozo and the Honzo? How different are they?

    Iíve been thinking of building up a 27.5+ wheelset for the Wozo. From everything Iíve read here it will be really low. Iím on the stock bluto. How much will it drop it? Not a lot of technical stuff where I ride. Mostly flow trails. Does 29+ fit the bluto ok?

    Then the more I thought about building the wheels, the more I thought maybe another bike makes more sense. Thatís where the honzo question comes in. Considering saving the cost of the wheelset, selling my Kona Precept which has barely been ridden since I got the Wozo, and buying either the honzo AL/DL or going all out on the CR DL.

    Once last question. If I do go with a wheelset how easy is switching back and forth. Do the brakes and rear derailleur need adjustment every time you go back and forth?

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    POSTED by Nurse Ben: All three of the bikes you picked will ride about the same without suspension, but the Wozo will ride the best with suspension; should you chose to go that route down the road.

    Build your bike from a frame set, the OEM builds kinda suck.


    Posting here because my question is Wozo specific.
    I have an opportunity to buy the OEM off the shelf Wozo for about $1200 new.... getting a frame and components shipped to Germany would be way more $$.

    I can see a few changes you discuss with the Wozo such as 165mm cranks, the longer travel sus, wheel sets, and so on.
    What in particular do you feel sucks about the OEM builds for the Wozo, and is it something that I could gradually change over time (like the crappy BB after it fails)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhdPepper View Post
    I have an opportunity to buy the OEM off the shelf Wozo for about $1200 new....
    While I don't agree that the complete build "kinda sucks", it's not an amazing value for $2500. If you can get a complete for that price, just get it. You can change things as you find them limiting or wear them out.

    I built my Wozo from a frame because I wanted to change enough parts to make it worthwhile. I wanted 30t front and 11-46 instead of the 28t and 11-42 on the complete. I wanted a Mastodon instead of a Bluto. I wanted a larger rear tire (Surly Edna 4.3).

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    The question begs the answer, ie what parts in the OEM build (any OEM build) ARE worth keeping?

    For one, the 26" wheels are neither high quality nor the ideal size. I'd go BFat or 27.5 x 4.5 or 29+

    As far as the balance of the bike, NX level drive train and RS cranks are serviceable but entry level. Cockpit is low end stuff. Bluto is not worth having, hard to resell. So really, other than the frame, it's not a groupo I'd build.

    Like Davidp said, it's not a great deal. That said, it is a great frame.

    Quote Originally Posted by PhdPepper View Post
    POSTED by Nurse Ben: All three of the bikes you picked will ride about the same without suspension, but the Wozo will ride the best with suspension; should you chose to go that route down the road.

    Build your bike from a frame set, the OEM builds kinda suck.


    Posting here because my question is Wozo specific.
    I have an opportunity to buy the OEM off the shelf Wozo for about $1200 new.... getting a frame and components shipped to Germany would be way more $$.

    I can see a few changes you discuss with the Wozo such as 165mm cranks, the longer travel sus, wheel sets, and so on.
    What in particular do you feel sucks about the OEM builds for the Wozo, and is it something that I could gradually change over time (like the crappy BB after it fails)?

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    Fair enough... buying a frame and building up to your (or similar) suggested spec would run at least the same as suggested retail (and probably quite a bit more)... I don't have the luxury of a deep parts bin or deep pockets to buy a higher end build from scratch; my thought at this point is to get the $1200 OEM build, but then gradually replace as I can.
    I suspect some of the elements that feel crappy to you won't feel as crappy to a much less experienced rider such as myself (my bikes are in my sig), but that I will appreciate gradually upgrading the bike as parts break and/or I find I want to go another direction (such as a fairly costly but potentially game-changing wheelset).
    The option of buying a frame and building up from there would mean for me personally probably taking another year to get the funds and parts for such a build. Perhaps not a bad idea, but....

    TLDR: Ya'll have told me that the frame is the reason to buy the Wozo and pretty much everything else is replaceable. I can start with OEM for a very good price and upgrade over the next couple years and let the bike grow with me.

    Thanks for the input. I'll ponder.
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    Imho I think $1200 is a smoking good geal for a complete Wozo and personally I would jump on it.

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    At $1200 I wouldn't bat an eye and would definitely purchase the stock build! It is essentially another $600 over the frame only option and you get a complete bike. Also, this gives you the option to upgrade as time and money allow. Lastly, you can keep the extra wheelset as a backup with another set of tires on it if you do decide to go B Fat. I don't own a Wozo but am beginning to wish I did...and might in the not so distant future!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohrgan View Post
    It is essentially another $600 over the frame only option and you get a complete bike.!
    Actually only $500 more than $699 frame price now.
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    Forums are great for gleaning information on your interests. I've learned a lot. One of the problems is that it sows the seeds for discontent. All of a sudden you want something you don't have, and then what you have isn't good enough-even though it is, and there are people that will reinforce that. It's a part of human nature.

    The wozo is a fine bike. Everything works. Brakes work, shifters work, drive train works, rims are solid, tires are good, cranks good, chain ring good, cassette works just fine. Bottom bracket may or may not be replaced, but so far, good. Bluto is probably just fine unless you really want to do so major drops.

    All parts will eventually wear out, maybe not for many, many miles, and that's the time to replace.

    Fit is a personal thing, and with a complete bike, you have a starting point. If it doesn't fit, without buying things at retail that may or may not work. $1200 for a wozo is an amazing buy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhdPepper View Post
    I have an opportunity to buy the OEM off the shelf Wozo for about $1200 new.... getting a frame and components shipped to Germany would be way more $$.
    PhdPepper: That's a great price. If it's not stealing your deal, can you tell me you'll get this from. While I'm not in Germany, German stores often have reasonable shipping costs to Australia.

    Thanks Tim

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumpyride View Post
    Forums are great for gleaning information on your interests. I've learned a lot. One of the problems is that it sows the seeds for discontent. All of a sudden you want something you don't have, and then what you have isn't good enough-even though it is, and there are people that will reinforce that. It's a part of human nature.
    This. +1. Ride bikes have fun...newest tire size, newest fork...not thinking this will change my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumpyride View Post
    $1200 for a wozo is an amazing buy.
    No brainer. Ride it as is - upgrade later. Part it out - upgrade now. Either way there is absolutely no reason to not jump on that deal provided you want the Wozo.
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    $1200?

    Are you sure? Thatís less than cost, Kona has a very low dealer margin. Like others said, for $1200 itís a good deal, but youíre still gonna have s bunch of mediocre parts. Might make sense to part it out and build from the leftovers.

    Iím picky, I build my bikes from scratch, even the wheels, so I personally wouldnít keep any parts from an OEM Wozo. If the Wozo came with a Mastodon, 27.5 wheels, and GX drivetrain, thatíd be a much better OEM build.

    Quote Originally Posted by PhdPepper View Post
    POSTED by Nurse Ben: All three of the bikes you picked will ride about the same without suspension, but the Wozo will ride the best with suspension; should you chose to go that route down the road.

    Build your bike from a frame set, the OEM builds kinda suck.


    Posting here because my question is Wozo specific.
    I have an opportunity to buy the OEM off the shelf Wozo for about $1200 new.... getting a frame and components shipped to Germany would be way more $$.

    I can see a few changes you discuss with the Wozo such as 165mm cranks, the longer travel sus, wheel sets, and so on.
    What in particular do you feel sucks about the OEM builds for the Wozo, and is it something that I could gradually change over time (like the crappy BB after it fails)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wombat View Post
    PhdPepper: That's a great price. If it's not stealing your deal, can you tell me you'll get this from. While I'm not in Germany, German stores often have reasonable shipping costs to Australia.

    Thanks Tim
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    No brainer. Ride it as is - upgrade later. Part it out - upgrade now. Either way there is absolutely no reason to not jump on that deal provided you want the Wozo.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    $1200?

    Are you sure? Thatís less than cost, Kona has a very low dealer margin. Like others said, for $1200 itís a good deal, but youíre still gonna have s bunch of mediocre parts. Might make sense to part it out and build from the leftovers.

    Iím picky, I build my bikes from scratch, even the wheels, so I personally wouldnít keep any parts from an OEM Wozo. If the Wozo came with a Mastodon, 27.5 wheels, and GX drivetrain, thatíd be a much better OEM build.
    Ok - seems like we're all on the same page at this point
    Yes, I'm sure because it's a military purchase (sorry Wombat) for a very large bulk buy through MWR, and my understanding is that Kona was a little pissed because they also screwed up their price on the Wozos.
    For some reason they're still not moving the fatties so they've dropped the price.... AND I can get a 30% employee discount. Final tally is $1200 USD.
    Unless they sell out in the next month (they've had them for several months), I should be able to pick one up soon. It sounds like the consensus aligns with my thoughts; purchase now, upgrade as I can (can't argue with the desire for better components especially the ones you mention NB).
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhdPepper View Post
    Ok - seems like we're all on the same page at this point
    Yes, I'm sure because it's a military purchase (sorry Wombat) for a very large bulk buy through MWR, and my understanding is that Kona was a little pissed because they also screwed up their price on the Wozos.
    For some reason they're still not moving the fatties so they've dropped the price.... AND I can get a 30% employee discount. Final tally is $1200 USD.
    Unless they sell out in the next month (they've had them for several months), I should be able to pick one up soon. It sounds like the consensus aligns with my thoughts; purchase now, upgrade as I can (can't argue with the desire for better components especially the ones you mention NB).
    Just do it! Ride now and upgrade later! Yes, there is satisfaction in building your own bike from hand selected components but your opportunity to get the Wozo at that price negates all of that.

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    $1200? If you don't like it for that money I'll take it off your hands for what you pay. That's a steal.

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    OK, finally getting my Wozo together. I don't have any actual trail time on it yet but it feels really nice around the house. It's on 26" fat right now because that's what I had here. I'm waiting on a set of 29+ wheels/tires for it based on some suggestions here.

    The Bike Yoke 185mm dropper fits with about 5-10mm to spare for my height (6'-4") on the XL frame. The dropper and lever are very nice but the cable is kinda cheap and holds the kink from shipping a little. Works fine but looks a bit off in spots.

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    Look at them bars!

    You need to get some B Fats on that sucker, waay fun for going fast and hitting big lines.

    I got some 29+ coming, decided I was done with fat-fat, just not getting enough snow time these days and I wanna bikepack this year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troy Carter View Post
    OK, finally getting my Wozo together. I don't have any actual trail time on it yet but it feels really nice around the house. It's on 26" fat right now because that's what I had here. I'm waiting on a set of 29+ wheels/tires for it based on some suggestions here.

    The Bike Yoke 185mm dropper fits with about 5-10mm to spare for my height (6'-4") on the XL frame. The dropper and lever are very nice but the cable is kinda cheap and holds the kink from shipping a little. Works fine but looks a bit off in spots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhdPepper View Post
    Ok - seems like we're all on the same page at this point
    Yes, I'm sure because it's a military purchase (sorry Wombat) for a very large bulk buy through MWR, and my understanding is that Kona was a little pissed because they also screwed up their price on the Wozos.
    Thanks for the advice PhdPepper; it's always nice when things fall into place and we get a good deal. I'm sure you'll enjoy the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Look at them bars!

    You need to get some B Fats on that sucker, waay fun for going fast and hitting big lines.

    I got some 29+ coming, decided I was done with fat-fat, just not getting enough snow time these days and I wanna bikepack this year.
    Yeah, my poor lower back doesn't tolerate a flat bar anymore. Those big bars give me a good chopper feel! haha

    I'm giving the 29+ a try for a while before doing anything else with it. Just need them to show up.

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    For those who have tried both 26" and 650B rims on this bike, what were your impressions of both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wombat View Post
    Thanks for the advice PhdPepper; it's always nice when things fall into place and we get a good deal. I'm sure you'll enjoy the bike.

    Tim
    Thanks guys!
    I should get to pick it up some time next week - I was able to ride one for a second time (just around the shop) yesterday and love the feel of it!
    I look forward to riding it as is... and to plenty more time tweaking it to make it perfect!
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    Kona Wozo Review: 420mm chainstay, runs 29+ to 26 x 4.8!-1f79c97c-2726-4c7c-b44d-5d5cf843155a.jpg

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    ^ This pic is the 27.5 3.8 BFat DHF? I think I could get used to that.
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    Could almost post this in the sub-1000 dollar thread!
    Still can't believe I was able to get the whole setup for the price.
    Well, very excited to drive home with a new Wozo yesterday along with some new gear.
    Was able to play around in the parking lot a bit and really enjoying the ease of hopping and popping compared to my other fatties. Probably will enjoy for this summer mostly as is and then gradually add a 27.5 wheelset and other parts.
    In any case, stoked to be a part of the baby blue Wozo family!
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    That's a fantastic deal, I thought wifey and I had done well paying ~$2k each for ours.
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    Yup, makes for a good all around ride, not heavy, pretty quick, downhills like a bomb, doesn't ride like a fat bike, feels more like a monster BMXer.

    I was running a 35mm stem in this pic, just swapped back to a 45mm; it was just a tad twitchy and the front end was coming up a bit too often.

    I got a FBF up front and a Crown Gem 3.8 out back, mounted on Duroc 50's.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Mega View Post
    ^ This pic is the 27.5 3.8 BFat DHF? I think I could get used to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I got a FBF up front and a Crown Gem 3.8 out back, mounted on Duroc 50's.
    Thanks man. If you could do it again, would you go with a wider rim? 65mm?

    Pretty sure my next bike project will be summer wheelset for Wozo.... at some point anyway.
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    Nah, 50mm is justy right, nice profile, great rim protection, no extra weight.

    I ran Minion 4.8's on 65mm Large Marge, it was a good size and it fit the Wozo. I think a 65mm rim on a 3.8" tire would expose the rim to rock shots The B Fat tires are closer to 3.6-3.7 anyhow, so not that big.

    I use 40mm for true 3" tires and like the ride, sure I could use 50mm if I wanted, but they work well so that there's no need.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Mega View Post
    Thanks man. If you could do it again, would you go with a wider rim? 65mm?

    Pretty sure my next bike project will be summer wheelset for Wozo.... at some point anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Yup, makes for a good all around ride, not heavy, pretty quick, downhills like a bomb, doesn't ride like a fat bike, feels more like a monster BMXer.

    I was running a 35mm stem in this pic, just swapped back to a 45mm; it was just a tad twitchy and the front end was coming up a bit too often.

    I got a FBF up front and a Crown Gem 3.8 out back, mounted on Duroc 50's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Nah, 50mm is justy right, nice profile, great rim protection, no extra weight.

    I ran Minion 4.8's on 65mm Large Marge, it was a good size and it fit the Wozo. I think a 65mm rim on a 3.8" tire would expose the rim to rock shots The B Fat tires are closer to 3.6-3.7 anyhow, so not that big.

    I use 40mm for true 3" tires and like the ride, sure I could use 50mm if I wanted, but they work well so that there's no need.
    I thought earlier you had said you really liked the Barbis 4.8 on 65mm?
    Is that just for snow? Since I just got the stock minions on 26x80, I'll want to think carefully and save for my next wheelset - willing to go 27.5x50mm but want to try to get it right the first time
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    Ben was running Barbes on 80mm Jackalopes. I went the same way but want studded tires in New England; right now that means Gnarwhals or Cake Eaters.

    Common recommendations for B-fat wheelsets are:
    27.5x80mm for snow/ice
    27.5x50mm for dirt/rocks

    I'm loving the Wozo and am doing one of each as well as a 29+ wheelset. It's a bit much but they each have a different purpose.

    If you are only doing one B-fat wheelset and want to ride year round I'd probably go 80mm and switch tires (again, I want studs in Winter), though if your snow needs are light then 65mm could work (if you want carbon or can find some Mulefuts). If they were generally avaialable, a 65mm Mulefut rear and 80mm Mulefut front could be a good setup as well.

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    Yeah, 29+ is a bit tall, but for the purposes it serves like long day rides and bikepacking, it's a good wheel size. I ran them on my Beargrease, Mutz (mixxer), and Tandem.

    I know folks want to maximize tire "spread" with a wider rim, but tire profile determines ride chanracteristics, so running too wide or too narrow for your application can be a problem.

    I had the Barbe 4.5 on Jackalopes, it's a great rim in just the right size for my needs, which were packed/firm snow and mixed conditions. A wider rim might be better for soft snow, but that tire/rim combo was the widest that'll fit in the Wozo.

    About the widest rim I'd go with a 3" tire is 50mm. I ran 3" tires on 65mm Large Marge and the sidewall was nearly vertical. I think a 50-60mm rim is the best range for a 3.8. On rim width, I'd go too narrow over to wide as a overly round tire is much better than rim shots and/or the tire not staying seated.

    Mike Curiak is the expert, he may chime in...

    Quote Originally Posted by david.p View Post
    Ben was running Barbes on 80mm Jackalopes. I went the same way but want studded tires in New England; right now that means Gnarwhals or Cake Eaters.

    Common recommendations for B-fat wheelsets are:
    27.5x80mm for snow/ice
    27.5x50mm for dirt/rocks

    I'm loving the Wozo and am doing one of each as well as a 29+ wheelset. It's a bit much but they each have a different purpose.

    If you are only doing one B-fat wheelset and want to ride year round I'd probably go 80mm and switch tires (again, I want studs in Winter), though if your snow needs are light then 65mm could work (if you want carbon or can find some Mulefuts). If they were generally avaialable, a 65mm Mulefut rear and 80mm Mulefut front could be a good setup as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david.p View Post
    Ben was running Barbes on 80mm Jackalopes. I went the same way but want studded tires in New England; right now that means Gnarwhals or Cake Eaters.

    Common recommendations for B-fat wheelsets are:
    27.5x80mm for snow/ice
    27.5x50mm for dirt/rocks

    I'm loving the Wozo and am doing one of each as well as a 29+ wheelset. It's a bit much but they each have a different purpose.

    If you are only doing one B-fat wheelset and want to ride year round I'd probably go 80mm and switch tires (again, I want studs in Winter), though if your snow needs are light then 65mm could work (if you want carbon or can find some Mulefuts). If they were generally avaialable, a 65mm Mulefut rear and 80mm Mulefut front could be a good setup as well.
    3 wheelsets is a bit much, but hats off to you! For someone who will only have one wheelset, maybe the best compromise for 4-season use would be the Light Bicycle 27.5" carbon rim (75mm external 70mm internal), as that splits the baby between 65mm and 80mm rims. However, it's probably not wise to put 3.8's that run narrow (such as the Maxxis FBF/FBR) on that wide of a carbon rim, I've read those measure more like a true 3.5", but I'm not sure if those measurements were taken on 65mm or 80mm rims. I think I recall reading in one of these threads that Barbegazi's and Gnarwhals run closer to 4.2" than their stated 4.5" width, is that correct? I've been browsing so many threads lately I can't keep all the number straight...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zuuds View Post
    3 wheelsets is a bit much, but hats off to you!
    Yeah, though I expect to swap them seasonally - a winter set, a spring/fall set, and a summer set (29+). We'll see how it goes.

    I think I recall reading in one of these threads that Barbegazi's and Gnarwhals run closer to 4.2" than their stated 4.5" width, is that correct?
    Close enough, 4.25-4.3ish on an 80mm rim; definitely not a full 4.5".

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    70mm is waay too wide for a 3", probably okay for a 3.8" though honestly it's wider than I'd run.

    I had Minion 4.8 on LM 65mm and they were a good fit, ran great through soft snow at low pressures. I know the trend is to run a really wide rim, but that's mostly for maximizing floation and as a substitute for not having a fatter tire, but wider rims aren't necessarilly better.

    I think Mike Curiak has run Hodags on Jackalopes, but in my mind that is more an effort to maximize floation with a relatively narrow tire. For three season use, I'd want to maximize the tire's function on dirt; having an overly wide rim would diminish handling and lead to more rim shots.

    If I were running one set of wheels, Barbe 4.5 for winter and Hodag 3.8 for summer, I'd be looking at a 60-65mm rim, 70mm is pushing it.

    Really, the ideal is two wheelsets with different tires, one for winter season and one for all the other seasons. You could also go inexpesensive on the winter wheels or even used, then go high end on the three season daily drivers since they will get more use. Otherwise, get a second bike

    I have two bikes and three wheelsets; sometimes four wheelsets. I started swapping wheels when I got a Mutz, ultimatley teamed it up with a fat Tandem, woudl take trips and swap wheels based on conditions and what I wanted to ride.

    I've continued to swap wheels, sometimes I'll swap day to day, I have even swapped between rides on the same day, though mostly I keep the Fatillac set up with 27+ and the Wozo switchhits. I'm going to Moab next month, two bikes and three wheelsets; they all get used.

    I am hoping that Devin will agree to build a custom swingarm for the Fatillac that will fit a 29+, then I'll have the ultimate quiver of two bikes and three wheelsets that fit both bikes.

    Quote Originally Posted by zuuds View Post
    3 wheelsets is a bit much, but hats off to you! For someone who will only have one wheelset, maybe the best compromise for 4-season use would be the Light Bicycle 27.5" carbon rim (75mm external 70mm internal), as that splits the baby between 65mm and 80mm rims. However, it's probably not wise to put 3.8's that run narrow (such as the Maxxis FBF/FBR) on that wide of a carbon rim, I've read those measure more like a true 3.5", but I'm not sure if those measurements were taken on 65mm or 80mm rims. I think I recall reading in one of these threads that Barbegazi's and Gnarwhals run closer to 4.2" than their stated 4.5" width, is that correct? I've been browsing so many threads lately I can't keep all the number straight...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    70mm is waay too wide for a 3", probably okay for a 3.8" though honestly it's wider than I'd run.

    I had Minion 4.8 on LM 65mm and they were a good fit, ran great through soft snow at low pressures. I know the trend is to run a really wide rim, but that's mostly for maximizing floation and as a substitute for not having a fatter tire, but wider rims aren't necessarilly better.

    I think Mike Curiak has run Hodags on Jackalopes, but in my mind that is more an effort to maximize floation with a relatively narrow tire. For three season use, I'd want to maximize the tire's function on dirt; having an overly wide rim would diminish handling and lead to more rim shots.

    If I were running one set of wheels, Barbe 4.5 for winter and Hodag 3.8 for summer, I'd be looking at a 60-65mm rim, 70mm is pushing it.
    Makes perfect sense, sounds like 60-65 is the sweet spot, because it's a good match for 3.8's to 4.5's, which is the range of tire sizes I anticipate using. As long as the narrower rim isn't introducing squirmy lightbulb tire profiles (which wouldn't be the case here), the narrower rim has the benefits of less rotational weight and better rim protection.

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    Just wanted to chime in about my 29+ experience. I'm running 29+ on my STD Mastodon (set up at 140) and I have plenty of room! What a nice change up from the fat. Options are great and as already discussed, the 29+ along with the fat.... Amazing! BFat is looking like the logical "next step".

    Thank you Mike Curiak!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Super simple:

    The EXT has 20mm longer stanchions than the STD, but this extra length is not usable, all it does is add an inch of tire clearance.

    The STD clears 29+ and 5Ē tires, but itís cutting it close in some combinations. You can take the risk (as I do) or you can add a 10mm spacer to limit compression. In this configuration you have a maximum of 140mm of travel.

    The only reason to get an EXT is if you want more A to C, you want more clearance AND you want 150mm travel, or you like the way it looks
    Would a STD be OK with 27.5 x 4.5" Barbegazi's on a 65mm rim, or is that cutting it too close?

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    Fine for me, full compression with the fork aired down and I had 5mm clearance.

    In an ideal storm, with a mud or snow bound tire at full compression, you would hit.

    How much clearance is enough kinda depends on you. I had 5-10mm clearance at the chaninstays with the Barbe 4.5, so it wore the paint down a little.

    All that said, I did some very serious downhill on the Barbes with big rocks, big hits, and I never hit.

    Quote Originally Posted by zuuds View Post
    Would a STD be OK with 27.5 x 4.5" Barbegazi's on a 65mm rim, or is that cutting it too close?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemusher View Post
    Just wanted to chime in about my 29+ experience. I'm running 29+ on my STD Mastodon (set up at 140) and I have plenty of room! What a nice change up from the fat. Options are great and as already discussed, the 29+ along with the fat.... Amazing! BFat is looking like the logical "next step".

    Thank you Mike Curiak!

    Hey -- my pleasure and stuff. More people on 29+ and B Fat is the goal, as 26" just doesn't make that much sense for most of us anymore...

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    I am building up a new XL Wozo - I am 6'5". Please help with a couple items:

    What are stock Stem and Crank Length on the full builds?

    I am considering a 50mm Stem and 175mm cranks.

    I will be running 27.5x3.8 on 50mm rims and a Manitou Magnum Fork at 120 mm (a2c 527).

    My local terrain in colorado is a mix, but not necessarly really loose rock, more solid rock to hump over. I also do not peddle much on the down, more of a cruiser.

    Hoping 175 is ok on cranks. Hate to go lower for a number of reasons, primarly comfort and seat height...

    Thanks for any insight.

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    50mm and 175 on M and L's.
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    Manitou Magnum? Ya sure itíll clear BFat?

    175 cranks? Iíd go shorter but only cuz I hate pedal strikes, 170 is better, 165 is ideal.

    Stem length is kinda personal, Iíve run 35, 45, 60, sticking with 45 now. If itís too short youíll feel crowded and youíre get more front end lift. Trim out the seat first, then pick your stem length.

    My son is 6í5Ē, I put him on a large frame, 29+, 45mm stem, seat centered, nice fit for him.

    Quote Originally Posted by telejefe View Post
    I am building up a new XL Wozo - I am 6'5". Please help with a couple items:

    What are stock Stem and Crank Length on the full builds?

    I am considering a 50mm Stem and 175mm cranks.

    I will be running 27.5x3.8 on 50mm rims and a Manitou Magnum Fork at 120 mm (a2c 527).

    My local terrain in colorado is a mix, but not necessarly really loose rock, more solid rock to hump over. I also do not peddle much on the down, more of a cruiser.

    Hoping 175 is ok on cranks. Hate to go lower for a number of reasons, primarly comfort and seat height...

    Thanks for any insight.

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    I'd be curious to see if the Magnum fits that tire but I am really happy with the mastodon right now. It looks like way overkill with a smaller 29 x 2.8 plus tire but it'll take any tire you want to put in it.

    I've only got about 100 miles on my Wozo with 170mm cranks and I'm really liking them. No real trail use yet but they do feel good on the bike and my knees seem to like them.

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    Oh, and there is this post showing a fairly large tire just barely fitting but no real follow up.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspen...a-1056592.html

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    Pretty sure this has been discussed more than a few times. Fox fork has the most liberal fit fir B Fat, according to Mikesee, it was usable, but a tight fit for mud.

    Granted the Manitou is a very wide fork and it weighs a bit more, but itís the fork of choice on a fat bike. Get the Fox and you canít go fatter than BFat, probably wonít fit 29+; mud issues alone would steer me away.

    On a BFat specific bike like the Fatillac, I have considered this fork option, but I like swapping wheels between bikes.

    Going with a 50mm rim or less could help, maybe even step down to a 40mm, but then you are compromising rideability

    Quote Originally Posted by Troy Carter View Post
    Oh, and there is this post showing a fairly large tire just barely fitting but no real follow up.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspen...a-1056592.html

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    Well. Working on a budget build $1500 goal. Anyway. Picked up a decent set of Hugo boost with new hodags for $240 and have a manitou magnum enroute for $160. So worth a try and could use the mag on another bike if it does not work out, and sell the Hugoís and keep hodags... anyway, rsd sergeant thread shows success with mag and b fat. So a little less weight, little lower a2c, and cheaper. Or it wonít work out...

    .. at 36Ē I seem I prefer my seat as low as possible and will like run 175; pedal strikes are really only an issue on the up which can be timed alright. I have be n on an xl Wozo and it fit awsome, just wanted to confirm lengths to match...but still considering 170...

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    I'm about the same inseam as you on an XL Wozo with 170's. I could run 175's and not complain I'm sure but the 170's are pretty comfy.

    But, I blew 1/3's of your budget on a long dropper post too.

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    Yeah, but that extra inch is so worth it! I tried a 175 on a medium and it wasnít even close.

    Long cranks are really not as important as people think, we have such a wide gearing range that the need to stand and power through is no longer necessary, for if anything thereís more cons with longer cranks, but for some reason the 170/175 lengths have persisted.

    We shorten stems, narrow bars, even adjust geo for frame size, but good luck finding shorter cranks than 170! Imagine being a small person, riding a small frame, and the crank choice is 170mm. Does that even make sense?

    Quote Originally Posted by Troy Carter View Post
    I'm about the same inseam as you on an XL Wozo with 170's. I could run 175's and not complain I'm sure but the 170's are pretty comfy.

    But, I blew 1/3's of your budget on a long dropper post too.

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    At 6í5Ē I have been on too small gear since first khs (1988), finally on a bike with a top close to 700 and reach over 500. Itís a game changer! Sure the bikes are not as ď flickableĒ but itís way better to be on a bike that fits! So, I might try the 170 crank. Have 180 on one and 175 on another and notice no difference between then. Benefit is 5 mm on seat vs bar height as tall stack lowers seat is important to me....

    Admittedly, budget does not include dropper....that I am sure will last a ride or two....

    I appreciate your feedback and canít wait to try the largest production fatty out there!

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    Hi guys! I am new to fatbiking and have a Wozo ordered. I am considering getting a -2į angleset right away since all the bikes I have had during the last few years had a HA around 65-67į. These bikes were both FS or hardtail used mainly for trail but also bikeparks and enduro races. I think that I will keep the wozo mostly on trails. I also intend to get an extra wheelset but I have not decided yet if it will be 650b or 29er in plus guise or even 2.6 29er, I want first to check the potential of fat tyres and then decide on the extra wheelsize to adapt bb-height and so on...

    I went through the thread and did not find anyone using a -2į angleset, I have seen -1į tho. Do you see any disadvantage with having a HA around 66 to 66.5į on a hardtail fatbike?

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    Personally when I ran mine with the fork at 140 with a -1 and I was surprised that it felt just to slow in the tight twisty stuff. The big tires still take a bit to turn and it was just too much. Now at 120mm with a -1 and really like it. I'm guessing with a normal plus wheelset it would be great tho. Just my experience.

    Might get by with a -2 with a 100mm fork, not sure what it would do to the bb height.
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    If you run a long travel fork, 140mm, you get 66 deg.

    I also like slack, but 66deg feels right.

    You could run slacker, but Iíd try it stock first.

    Quote Originally Posted by HappyMTB.fr View Post
    Hi guys! I am new to fatbiking and have a Wozo ordered. I am considering getting a -2į angleset right away since all the bikes I have had during the last few years had a HA around 65-67į. These bikes were both FS or hardtail used mainly for trail but also bikeparks and enduro races. I think that I will keep the wozo mostly on trails. I also intend to get an extra wheelset but I have not decided yet if it will be 650b or 29er in plus guise or even 2.6 29er, I want first to check the potential of fat tyres and then decide on the extra wheelsize to adapt bb-height and so on...

    I went through the thread and did not find anyone using a -2į angleset, I have seen -1į tho. Do you see any disadvantage with having a HA around 66 to 66.5į on a hardtail fatbike?

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    Ready for spring, 29+ Chupas on Duroc 40/DT Swiss. Only had an 1/4Ē clearance, so pulled the wheel back another 1/4Ē. Gotta love the versatility of the Wozo


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    Thank you for the feedback!

    Ben: I calculated that the HA would be 67 with a 140mm fork (mastodon std with 551 a2c) it also rises the bb 10mm. With a mastodon at 120mm and a -2 angleset the bb doesn't move and the HA goes to 66.

    I will try stock first and see how it goes.

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    Cool. I saw your previous post. Sounds like we ware similar dimensions, so maybe the 170 crank is it....I will also be using 40mm riser bars, but I think yours might be even taller? The fork I bought will have zero extra stack. so will need to make up with the bars.

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    The Angleset adds 10mm stack height, so it's not a simple fix.

    Too slack and your front tire will push in the snow, so not exactly the same as on dirt.

    If you ride aggressively, there's no reason to limit the Mastodon to 120mm on a Wozo. Crack that sucker open and bump to 140mm, it's the perfect amount of travel.

    Quote Originally Posted by HappyMTB.fr View Post
    Thank you for the feedback!

    Ben: I calculated that the HA would be 67 with a 140mm fork (mastodon std with 551 a2c) it also rises the bb 10mm. With a mastodon at 120mm and a -2 angleset the bb doesn't move and the HA goes to 66.

    I will try stock first and see how it goes.

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    What angleset are you running? I have good experience with Works Components and their zs56 lower cup has a stack height of 3,5mm which is very similar to most traditional head set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Pretty sure this has been discussed more than a few times. Fox fork has the most liberal fit fir B Fat, according to Mikesee, it was usable, but a tight fit for mud

    FYI Mike tested the fit on 29+ Magnum. BFat (3.8s on 50mm rim) fits the 27.5+ Magnum fairly well. I have between 1/4-3/8Ē all the way around the tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyMTB.fr View Post
    What angleset are you running? I have good experience with Works Components and their zs56 lower cup has a stack height of 3,5mm which is very similar to most traditional head set.
    2.0 Degree EC44-ZS56 Angle Headset - To Suit Tapered Steerer Tube
    I've been running a Cane Creek Angleset for about a year now, first with a Bluto 120mm and now with a Mastodon 120-140mm. My Cane Creek has the external lower bearing cup which adds 10mm (as Nurse Ben pointed out). With the Bluto at 120 I ran it at -1 or -1.5 degrees and it was good. With the Mastodon at 140, I have set it back to 0 degrees, but left it in to take advantage of the extra 10mm of effective A-C height to lift the BB a few more mm and to get roughly an extra .5 degrees of slack that results from the 10mm of sag proof height. Plus the headset has performed excellent and no "creacks" to date, so it is in if I do want to play with angles again for some reason.

    I'd say your HA calculations are about spot on as I think mine is about at the 66.5 range with the Angleset at 0 degrees, 10mm bearing cup, and Mastodon at 140mm. This does feel a bit awkward in the snow with my stock 26x4.0/4.8, so I typically drop the Mastodon down to 120mm for that season. For the other 3-seasons with 27.5 fat(3.8) or plus(3.0) tires on and the Mast at full 140mm it feels like perfection. I couldn't be happier. My only want now is a set of 29 x 2.6 wheels/tires for all out fast shredding in full summer mode.

    In Conclusion, had the Mastodon existed when I first started messing with the angles on the bike, I would be just fine with that at 140mm and the stock headset for 3-seasons, and dropping it to 120mm for increased winter stability. I hope this helps as it was a long, but fun endeavor incrementally tweaking with the front end of the Wozo to find what is atleast my sweet spot for this bike.
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    Instead of 2.6 "skinnies", how about some 3" Chupas? Fast and light, not mud tires, but definitely a fun fast tire.

    For really ripping on 29+, the Minion 3" is killer.

    Quote Originally Posted by rvercoe View Post
    My only want now is a set of 29 x 2.6 wheels/tires for all out fast shredding in full summer mode.

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    Thanks rvercoe for your detailed answer, I appreciate and specially now while waiting for the bike since I am thinking about an extra wheelset for drier conditions! 2.6 29er or 650b+ is the question, I will not be able to afford both. I am slightly leaning towards 29" wheels since the geometry is spot on for an aggressive hardtail 29er once the head angle has been slacken.

    I used this page to calculate the changes in geometry https://bikegeo.muha.cc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Instead of 2.6 "skinnies", how about some 3" Chupas? Fast and light, not mud tires, but definitely a fun fast tire.

    For really ripping on 29+, the Minion 3" is killer.
    NB, I am open to considering that as an option. After running 27.5x3.0s for a season (Nobby Nics) I was less impressed with plus performance than I thought I would be for the increased rolling resistance and agility. I also didn't appreciate the extra drop in BB height.

    My favorite set-up so far though are the Minions 27.5x3.8 (FBF/FBR) on 45mmID rims for 3-season all conditions bomber radness. I can conquer anything on those and the 325mm bb height feels just right (yes, I'm still on 175mm cranks). I feel like the Wozo would thrive with 29ers and that 30mmID rims and 2.6s would give enough plush and traction without too much compromise in speed and agility.

    I'll take yours and others thoughts on what an ideal 29er set-up might be for summer/race wheels.

    On a related note, I'm heading to Grand Junction this weekend to ride the "Lunch Loops" trails. I can't decide on whether to leave the Minion 3.8s on for no-doubts performance or swap over to the NN 3.0s for a lighter and more agility.

    Has anyone ridden Lunch Loops and want to offer their 2 cents on tire preference for the Wozo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvercoe View Post
    NB, I am open to considering that as an option. After running 27.5x3.0s for a season (Nobby Nics) I was less impressed with plus performance than I thought I would be for the increased rolling resistance and agility. I also didn't appreciate the extra drop in BB height.

    My favorite set-up so far though are the Minions 27.5x3.8 (FBF/FBR) on 45mmID rims for 3-season all conditions bomber radness. I can conquer anything on those and the 325mm bb height feels just right (yes, I'm still on 175mm cranks). I feel like the Wozo would thrive with 29ers and that 30mmID rims and 2.6s would give enough plush and traction without too much compromise in speed and agility.

    I'll take yours and others thoughts on what an ideal 29er set-up might be for summer/race wheels.

    On a related note, I'm heading to Grand Junction this weekend to ride the "Lunch Loops" trails. I can't decide on whether to leave the Minion 3.8s on for no-doubts performance or swap over to the NN 3.0s for a lighter and more agility.

    Has anyone ridden Lunch Loops and want to offer their 2 cents on tire preference for the Wozo?
    Trails in GJ are hero dirt right now after some recent moisture. Either choice would work well. I could ride Ikons there right now and not be traction limited. BB height might be the deciding factor depending on how aware of your pedal position you tend to be.
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    Have any of you guys tried the Mastodon at 150mm?

    I have my flat bar slammed down with a negative rise stem already. I have a feeling raising it up from the 140mm setting will make the front end too light for steep climbs. I question whether I will really benefit from the additional travel too.

    I right now I find I get about 135mm if I land a decent drop. Any of you guys getting closer to the full 140mm travel?

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    I don't believe I've used all 140mm of travel, but I'm also running the IVA at the 120mm setting for a more progressive spring rate than stock - though I have a feeling most people don't bother to adjust the IVA when going from 120mm to 140mm.

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    Thanks DLd! That helps. I'll keep an eye on how much precip happens out there tomorrow.

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    Wozo Review from Fat-Bike.com for those interested: https://fat-bike.com/2018/02/2018-ko...stotle-peters/

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvercoe View Post
    Thanks DLd! That helps. I'll keep an eye on how much precip happens out there tomorrow.
    We got some during the day, but word is they were already good to go yesterday evening.
    Fall is here. Woo-hoo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GspotRider View Post
    Have any of you guys tried the Mastodon at 150mm?

    I have my flat bar slammed down with a negative rise stem already. I have a feeling raising it up from the 140mm setting will make the front end too light for steep climbs. I question whether I will really benefit from the additional travel too.

    I right now I find I get about 135mm if I land a decent drop. Any of you guys getting closer to the full 140mm travel?
    No Mastodon, but a Bluto @ 120 and still wanted my bars lower.

    Syntace Flatforce stem. Looks a bit odd, but gets that bar back down where it sounds you want it.
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    150mm on my Fatillac and use it all, 140mm on my Wozo and use it all.

    If you run a big front end, donít expect it to feel like a road bike.

    Nothing wrong with a tall front end, makes it easier to get back and resist gravity, also easier on your back.

    Youíll get used to it.

    If your front end is lifting youíve a couple options:

    Run a longer stem, slide your seat forward, or adjust your riding style; or all of the above.

    Bar height is not the problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by GspotRider View Post
    Have any of you guys tried the Mastodon at 150mm?

    I have my flat bar slammed down with a negative rise stem already. I have a feeling raising it up from the 140mm setting will make the front end too light for steep climbs. I question whether I will really benefit from the additional travel too.

    I right now I find I get about 135mm if I land a decent drop. Any of you guys getting closer to the full 140mm travel?

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    Just wanted to reiterate how versatile the Wozo is as I continue to be impressed by this bike. Just finished my 3rd ride with the 29+ and all I can say is WOW! This bike excels with that platform. I call it the Big MF Honzo as it just rips on descents and accelerates on the climbs. Crazy, crazy fun! 2 wheelsets are highly recommended!

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    How are you guys making your 29+ wheels? Custom jobs or are there some off the shelf stuff available?

    If custom, could you give me some ideas on what to get that is not too expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GspotRider View Post
    How are you guys making your 29+ wheels? Custom jobs or are there some off the shelf stuff available?

    If custom, could you give me some ideas on what to get that is not too expensive.
    I had mikesee build me up a set. lacemine29.com He's super easy to work with and delivers great customer service. Prices seem fair.

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    I just received a 2018 warranty replacement Wozo frame (cracked welds @seatstay to seat tube on the '17). The bike feels much different now, both are size Medium but after reviewing the geometries between the two years the major difference looks to be fork length (at 1cm longer on the 2018). With both bikes running a 100mm Bluto how can the fork length be any different?

    I am noticing that the new bike doesn't want to manual as easy as its 2017 brother and I'm guessing this must be the reason? Maybe putting a 120mm airshaft into the bluto would make the bike feel a bit better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waxtrax84 View Post
    I just received a 2018 warranty replacement Wozo frame (cracked welds @seatstay to seat tube on the '17). The bike feels much different now, both are size Medium but after reviewing the geometries between the two years the major difference looks to be fork length (at 1cm longer on the 2018). With both bikes running a 100mm Bluto how can the fork length be any different?

    I am noticing that the new bike doesn't want to manual as easy as its 2017 brother and I'm guessing this must be the reason? Maybe putting a 120mm airshaft into the bluto would make the bike feel a bit better.
    I'm pretty sure Kona said the frame is exactly the same and that they just corrected the geometry chart.

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    Thanks bdundee!

    I also contacted Kona's tech support and they mirrored what you said. It was a typo on their end for the fork length and said they would fix it.

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    Same frames, no changes other than colors.

    I prefer the green, but apparently somebody in the Kona chain of command had a baby boy and decided powder blue was the new black, go figure.

    What boggles my mind is Kona has had two years to get on board with 27.5 BFat and long travel forks like the Mastodon, and yet they're still equipping the Wozo with 26" wheels and a Bluto.

    Quote Originally Posted by Waxtrax84 View Post
    I just received a 2018 warranty replacement Wozo frame (cracked welds @seatstay to seat tube on the '17). The bike feels much different now, both are size Medium but after reviewing the geometries between the two years the major difference looks to be fork length (at 1cm longer on the 2018). With both bikes running a 100mm Bluto how can the fork length be any different?

    I am noticing that the new bike doesn't want to manual as easy as its 2017 brother and I'm guessing this must be the reason? Maybe putting a 120mm airshaft into the bluto would make the bike feel a bit better.

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    I got one set from Mike Curiak at Lacemine29, the other set I built with parts Mike sent me.

    Mike builds a great wheel, but I usually build my own.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemusher View Post
    I had mikesee build me up a set. lacemine29.com He's super easy to work with and delivers great customer service. Prices seem fair.

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    New Build

    Well - I like the blue....the good thing is that kona sells as frame only - so bfat or whatever is an option...

    New bike build in progress. Ignore stem, waiting on a short stack dmr 50 (hoping will work with my short steerer).

    Kona Wozo Review: 420mm chainstay, runs 29+ to 26 x 4.8!-img_6009.jpg

    Building as lighter bfat with hugo wheels, hodags, and manitou magnum comp. waiting on more parts....

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    Nice! Where did you source the frame? My local Kona dealer said they were sold out.

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    I like the brown accents, it mutes the baby powder blue 😏

    Quote Originally Posted by telejefe View Post
    Well - I like the blue....the good thing is that kona sells as frame only - so bfat or whatever is an option...

    New bike build in progress. Ignore stem, waiting on a short stack dmr 50 (hoping will work with my short steerer).

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    Building as lighter bfat with hugo wheels, hodags, and manitou magnum comp. waiting on more parts....

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    [QUOTE=Nurse Ben

    What boggles my mind is Kona has had two years to get on board with 27.5 BFat and long travel forks like the Mastodon, and yet they're still equipping the Wozo with 26" wheels and a Bluto.[/QUOTE]

    I was in Bellingham with my wozo with Mastodon and one of the Kona development team employees stopped to chat with me about the Mastodon and set up. He was saying Kona was definitely considering specíing the Wozo with the Mastodon. I was surprised they have not made the move yet. Perhaps in the end, the question is how many fat tire riders are looking for even more travel and slacker geo.

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    Finished my build! Already realize I should have gone with 29+ rather than 27.5+ so that will be changing soon. Also have 26x4.3 for snow.

    Kona Wozo Review: 420mm chainstay, runs 29+ to 26 x 4.8!-mvimg_20180324_142049.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainmorgan View Post
    Finished my build! Already realize I should have gone with 29+ rather than 27.5+ so that will be changing soon. Also have 26x4.3 for snow.

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    How do you like it as a single speed? What's your gearing?

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    Or get shorter cranks.

    Quote Originally Posted by captainmorgan View Post
    Finished my build! Already realize I should have gone with 29+ rather than 27.5+ so that will be changing soon. Also have 26x4.3 for snow.

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    So, when will Kona update this frame with even more aggressive geo, a steel frame (ŗ la Honzo), and a threaded BB? :)

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    For the trails here, single speed is perfect. Nothing too hard to climb. I was riding single speed DJ on trails before. It's spring thaw so only pavement riding right now, but so far it seems good.

    I have it set up 32/20 right now and that feels pretty good. I had 34/16 on the DJ with 26" wheels and this feels just about the same.

    I have looked at different crank Arms, but there aren't many options for 165 for dm or ss. Seems sram and RaceFace only come in 170 or 175. won't get me a ton of clearance compared to going up a wheel size or tire size.

    I do need to dick around with the fork and change the travel.

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    My Wozo

    Stoked to share my Wozo.

    XL frame with awesome tt length and reach. Built up for $1600...

    Bike fits great and is super fun. This is my 3rd fat bike and blows the previous two out of the water for fun!!!

    Built myself to go 27.5 fat and like that choice. Quite fond of the skinnier fat bike. Personally, I do not enjoy soft snow that much, and this will be perfect for the packed trail conditions I normally ride....

    Fun fact for this build was my first wheel re-build. Rebuilt the stands hugo v2 wheel with a BHS hub. So far so good.....No scale, but much lighter than my Fuel Ex set up with durocs and 29x2.8's....

    Oh...I am also drinking the short chainstay cool aid. Manualled through more terrain than any other bike I have owned including all my full suspensions.....Can't believe 420 vs 435 on my fuel makes such a big difference, but sum of the geometry I guess....

    Still working on pressure with the hugos and hodags...11 psi in rear was not enough for jumps (225 #)....
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    SRAM GX Eagle 165mm, 2017 non DUB, 2018 DUB

    SRAM Descendent 165mm, 24mm and DUB

    Quote Originally Posted by captainmorgan View Post
    For the trails here, single speed is perfect. Nothing too hard to climb. I was riding single speed DJ on trails before. It's spring thaw so only pavement riding right now, but so far it seems good.

    I have it set up 32/20 right now and that feels pretty good. I had 34/16 on the DJ with 26" wheels and this feels just about the same.

    I have looked at different crank Arms, but there aren't many options for 165 for dm or ss. Seems sram and RaceFace only come in 170 or 175. won't get me a ton of clearance compared to going up a wheel size or tire size.

    I do need to dick around with the fork and change the travel.

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    That's exactly the thing, people just don't seem to understand how much short chainstays change the ride. Literally, it makes average riders into superstars!

    Not saying you're average or anything

    I love being able to manual on command, esp when I need to manual suddenly; like right before I eat a big rock!

    Quote Originally Posted by telejefe View Post
    Stoked to share my Wozo.

    XL frame with awesome tt length and reach. Built up for $1600...

    Bike fits great and is super fun. This is my 3rd fat bike and blows the previous two out of the water for fun!!!

    Built myself to go 27.5 fat and like that choice. Quite fond of the skinnier fat bike. Personally, I do not enjoy soft snow that much, and this will be perfect for the packed trail conditions I normally ride....

    Fun fact for this build was my first wheel re-build. Rebuilt the stands hugo v2 wheel with a BHS hub. So far so good.....No scale, but much lighter than my Fuel Ex set up with durocs and 29x2.8's....

    Oh...I am also drinking the short chainstay cool aid. Manualled through more terrain than any other bike I have owned including all my full suspensions.....Can't believe 420 vs 435 on my fuel makes such a big difference, but sum of the geometry I guess....

    Still working on pressure with the hugos and hodags...11 psi in rear was not enough for jumps (225 #)....
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    Quote Originally Posted by captainmorgan View Post
    Finished my build! Already realize I should have gone with 29+ rather than 27.5+ so that will be changing soon.
    Duroc 50s? You could keep the wheels and go with 27.5x3.8-4" tires. I've been loving my Wozo with this setup - 29+ is fine but B-lowfat shines on our singletrack.

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    Fun!

    Seriously fun bike. Need a dropper ASAP!

    Just as fast as my Fuel Ex both up and down my xc/trail trails. Kona Wozo Review: 420mm chainstay, runs 29+ to 26 x 4.8!-img_6228.jpg

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    Nice looking ride there and very similar to the build I'll have on mine (except less gears).

    I have a used frame inbound to give a go. Thanks Shinkers!
    I know I've bashed on the geometry a little in the past and no way I'd ever ran one with a 120mm Bluto fork, however we have better fork options now and angleset options.
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    I put a 125 mm Bikeyoke Revive on mine. Excellent dropper, and well worth the money.

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    Still trying to find a frame weight on the Wozo. Does anyone have this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    Still trying to find a frame weight on the Wozo. Does anyone have this?
    From post #485 -
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    Size Large - weight w/ headset cups, sliders, axle and QR seatpost clamp - 5.6lbs.
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    Awesome- thanks!
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    My Kona Wozo size medium will be going up for sale soon. Just a heads up in case anyone is looking. I'll post a sale build in the next week or so. Not willing to part it out, that's too much trouble, just buy it the way it is, pretty much perfect bike as it rolls

    29+ DT Swiss 350/Duroc 40/Chupas 3" (no fat wheels available)
    GX 11sp drivertrain, Sunrace 11-46, SRAM GX 165mm cranks
    Mastodon Pro 140mm, CC Forty.
    RF 150mm Dropper with sidepaw remote
    XT 8000 brakes
    Stem choices, flat bar
    A seat
    No pedals
    Not sure on the final outfitting as I'm doing other builds concurrently.

    The Wozo is great bike, but I no longer need a fat bike, so I'm going to 29+, likely a Stache.

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    I tried to make my Wo into a Wozo for summer, it didn't work... lol

    I'm hoping Kona will send me a Wozo frame (and i'll cover the difference) instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    Still trying to find a frame weight on the Wozo. Does anyone have this?
    My Large Wozo frame with seat collar (no axle or headset) is 2387 grams (5.26 pounds)

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    Here's the state of my Wozo - this spring has mostly seen time on the B-lowfat wheels (Cake Eaters on Kore Realm P45 rims):

    Kona Wozo Review: 420mm chainstay, runs 29+ to 26 x 4.8!-wozo-18-05-15.jpg

    A little while ago I started noticing a creaking in the crank area and figured it was the BB, so I recently ordered the Wheels Manufacturing thread together BB86-FAT to replace the Raceface BB86/92 I used in the original buld.

    While removing the crank to install the new BB I found the spider was loose, so this was the actual source of the creak. I'm guessing the repeated knocks on the spider mounted bash ring eventually worked the Cinch lock nut loose. I added blue loctite and retorqued this so hopefully it'll hold.

    One of the Raceface BB bearings turned smoothly but the other was pretty gritty so I went ahead and replaced it as planned. I got a little over 200 miles on this bottom bracket, hopefully the thread together BB improves on this.

    The Wheels Manufacturing BB installed nicely. I was suprised when the drive side cup slid in without a press and was concerned that the cup would spin while tightening the NDS side, requiring a 2nd BB wrench to install it, but it didn't move and a single wrench did the job.

    With the Aeffect cranks I needed 2mm worth of spacers (WM supplies 2x 1mm and 2x .5mm spacers with the BB) on the spindle to eliminate any side-to-side play.

    This morning's ride was creak free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david.p View Post
    This morning's ride was creak free.
    Timely post. I, too, just replaced my RF BB on my Affect cranks. Was getting some creaking. I sort of hedged that it was the BB. Things spun freely. I got a lot more mileage than you tho - more like 200+ rides before the creaking started.

    Did the wheels mfging angular bearing BB92 FAT thread ins - 24mm. Nifty product. Like you -now I have no noise. I think I only installed 2 .5mm spacers and I don't have play. You need the 48.5mm notched wrench for install - FYI for others. If this product performs as billed, I think it'd be a good choice in the long term. Cross fingers - 20ish rides and alls well.
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    Here's the initial build on my WoZo. Hopefully I'll get the first ride on it soon, as the forecast looks good for our trail systems to be reopened this week.

    27.5 x 3.8 Hodags on 50mm Mulefut rims with a 120mm Magnum Pro 27.5+ fork. Angleset is sitting waiting to be installed, but I figured I'd give it a few rides in stock form before swapping over.
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    Increase the travel to 140mm, then you won't need the angleset

    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Here's the initial build on my WoZo. Hopefully I'll get the first ride on it soon, as the forecast looks good for our trail systems to be reopened this week.

    27.5 x 3.8 Hodags on 50mm Mulefut rims with a 120mm Magnum Pro 27.5+ fork. Angleset is sitting waiting to be installed, but I figured I'd give it a few rides in stock form before swapping over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Increase the travel to 140mm, then you won't need the angleset
    Do have that option as well. However I'm thinking I'd rather keep the fork at 120 and run the CC -.5 or -1.0 cups instead (can get it slacker while increasing standover 10mm less).
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Do have that option as well. However I'm thinking I'd rather keep the fork at 120 and run the CC -.5 or -1.0 cups instead (can get it slacker while increasing standover 10mm less).
    That's what I do, I like the little extra standover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Here's the initial build on my WoZo. Hopefully I'll get the first ride on it soon, as the forecast looks good for our trail systems to be reopened this week.

    27.5 x 3.8 Hodags on 50mm Mulefut rims with a 120mm Magnum Pro 27.5+ fork. Angleset is sitting waiting to be installed, but I figured I'd give it a few rides in stock form before swapping over.
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    A little Wozo action

    https://youtu.be/IOHEOjSz4Pw

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    A little Wozo action

    https://youtu.be/IOHEOjSz4Pw
    Nice! What wheel and tire combo were you using for your run? Sounded like an I9 rear hub...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohrgan View Post
    Nice! What wheel and tire combo were you using for your run? Sounded like an I9 rear hub...
    Nextie 90mm hoops with Hope pro 4's and some ole Ground Controls I had laying around. The wheelset is really just my winter set but I couldn't resist taking it for a spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Nextie 90mm hoops with Hope pro 4's and some ole Ground Controls I had laying around. The wheelset is really just my winter set but I couldn't resist taking it for a spin.
    Very cool video and great riding! I have been thinking about a Wozo for a while and it would be an addition to my ICT. What size frame do you have and what's your height? I am usually a medium in everything at 5'9" but it appears the reach on the Wozo runs long. I am torn between a medium and a small...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohrgan View Post
    Very cool video and great riding! I have been thinking about a Wozo for a while and it would be an addition to my ICT. What size frame do you have and what's your height? I am usually a medium in everything at 5'9" but it appears the reach on the Wozo runs long. I am torn between a medium and a small...
    Thanks, the bike is a real hoot for sure. I am 5'9 on a medium with a 45mm stem. I prolly could run a 35mm stem as well but it's what I had in the bin. The fit is great except for the standover for winter riding is a little tight (I have a 32.5' inseam) Here it is with the winter rubber.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Thanks, the bike is a real hoot for sure. I am 5'9 on a medium with a 45mm stem. I prolly could run a 35mm stem as well but it's what I had in the bin. The fit is great except for the standover for winter riding is a little tight (I have a 32.5' inseam) Here it is with the winter rubber.
    Thanks Bob!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohrgan View Post
    I am usually a medium in everything at 5'9" but it appears the reach on the Wozo runs long. I am torn between a medium and a small...
    The reach on the Wozo does run long. At ~6', I'm usually on a L frame but went with M on the Wozo based on the ETT/Reach, and this is still the longest bike I've ever had. I like the standover for running b-fat and a 140mm fork and fit is great - very comfortable for long stretches of seated pedaling and lots of fun on the twisty, techy NE trails. I'd go with the ETT/Reach that is closest to slightly longer than what you are used to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Mega View Post
    Timely post. I, too, just replaced my RF BB on my Affect cranks. Was getting some creaking. I sort of hedged that it was the BB. Things spun freely. I got a lot more mileage than you tho - more like 200+ rides before the creaking started.

    Did the wheels mfging angular bearing BB92 FAT thread ins - 24mm. Nifty product. Like you -now I have no noise. I think I only installed 2 .5mm spacers and I don't have play. You need the 48.5mm notched wrench for install - FYI for others. If this product performs as billed, I think it'd be a good choice in the long term. Cross fingers - 20ish rides and alls well.
    Hi Carla Mega and David P,
    It is time to replace the stock Raceface BB on my Wozo with the Affect cranks. Is this the correct Wheels Manufacturing bottom bracket (BB86/92 for Shimano)?
    https://wheelsmfg.com/bottom-bracket...nks-black.html

    Thanks for your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvercoe View Post
    Hi Carla Mega and David P,
    It is time to replace the stock Raceface BB on my Wozo with the Affect cranks. Is this the correct Wheels Manufacturing bottom bracket (BB86/92 for Shimano)?
    https://wheelsmfg.com/bottom-bracket...nks-black.html

    Thanks for your help.
    You want the fat versions.

    Regular bearings:

    https://wheelsmfg.com/bottom-bracket...nks-black.html

    Or Angular like I got:

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    See if you can dig up a coupon code - a 20% and 15% just expired but they come around.

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    [QUOTE=Carl Mega;13731528]You want the fat versions.

    Awesome, Thanks Carl Mega! That was the deets I needed.
    Cheers!

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    Cracked seatstay welds.

    Greetings,
    I just wanted to let fellow WOZO riders know that I had a similar situation as WaxTrax84 with cracked welds where the seatstays join the seattube. Kona was ofcourse really good about warrantying it. They didn't have any WOZO frames available, so they unbuilt a complete bike in order to get me a frame ASAP. Cheers to them for awesome warranty and customer care. I just thought I'd send this FYI out to keep an eye on that area as it may be a vulnerable point (probably the only one if any) on this frame.
    This also means that all my matchy-matchy purple bits are gonna look a bit odd going from the Hulk green to Beast blue. But atleast I still get the rad ride and geo of the WOZO.
    Cheers, R-

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    rvercoe,

    Thanks for the post! Got me thinking... Took a look at my Wozo and was bummed to see that I had the same cracks, only more significantly cracked, at the weld. Called my "local" Kona dealer (3 hours away) and started the warranty process. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like I'll be getting a replacement frame anytime soon. Totally sucks as I had 2 sweet bikepacking trips planned for it this month. Pretty bummed.... This after having my crankshaft literally sheer apart and took that 3 weeks to get figured out.

    Anyone have any idea when the 2019s will be available? Feeling at a loss as I had just whittled down my quiver to 1 bike w/ 3 wheelsets. Doh!

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    Dang Bikemusher, Sorry to hear that. That timing is a huge bummer considering the plans you have.
    I had done the same and reduced my stable to just the WOZO as my one-bike quiver-killer with two wheelsets. I will say that I still rode the frame hard while I was waiting for the replacement to arrive. In addition to a couple rides per week, I also raced to X-C races and two short Enduros and the frame held up.
    I don't know how bad your cracks are, but you might still be able to ride it until your new frame arrives. Do you notice any creaking sounds or additional flex when riding? Just a thought.
    Best of luck.

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    Kona Wozo Review: 420mm chainstay, runs 29+ to 26 x 4.8!-20180729_121708.jpgKona Wozo Review: 420mm chainstay, runs 29+ to 26 x 4.8!-20180729_121725.jpg

    Thanks, rvercoe! I'll probably end up doing that. Kinda hesitant to go on any backcountry, epics as it is the season but it could be a long walk out.
    Least I will try it on the local town trails.

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    Thanks for sharing this guys, something to keep a periodic check on.

    Otherwise, I'm loving mine!
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    Ran across these and thought I'd check to see if I'm missing anything. I have the 2017 stock WOZO with 100mm Bluto. I believe it should all fit, or am I missing anything?

    Sunringle Mule Fut 27.5 fat bike rims 80mm with Maxxis Minions FBR/FBF 27.5 X 3.8 120 tpi tires.
    This wheel set was used one winter and are taken off a 2018 Salsa Beargrease. Wheels are in great shape, presently set up tubeless.
    Hub spacing is 150mm Thru Axle front and 177mm Thru Axle rear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumpyride View Post
    Ran across these and thought I'd check to see if I'm missing anything. I have the 2017 stock WOZO with 100mm Bluto. I believe it should all fit, or am I missing anything?

    Sunringle Mule Fut 27.5 fat bike rims 80mm with Maxxis Minions FBR/FBF 27.5 X 3.8 120 tpi tires.
    This wheel set was used one winter and are taken off a 2018 Salsa Beargrease. Wheels are in great shape, presently set up tubeless.
    Hub spacing is 150mm Thru Axle front and 177mm Thru Axle rear.
    That set-up should make for a rad ride on the Wozo. I love the 27.5 x 3.8 set-up on the Wozo as an all season shredder. If you can, I recommend bumping that Bluto upto 120mm travel or getting a Manitou Mastodon with 120-140mm travel. That brings out the capabilities of the those wheels and that bike even more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvercoe View Post
    That set-up should make for a rad ride on the Wozo. I love the 27.5 x 3.8 set-up on the Wozo as an all season shredder. If you can, I recommend bumping that Bluto upto 120mm travel or getting a Manitou Mastodon with 120-140mm travel. That brings out the capabilities of the those wheels and that bike even more.
    Picked up the wheelset and minios the other day. Looked like they just came off the showroom floor. Guy was very reasonable $325 and accommodating. Just have to get them back to the West Coast where the bike is. I'm a light weight and no jumping, so I'm actually considering getting an additional carbon fork to lighten the load. Still haven't buried the bluto with a 30% sag, so I'll live with that for the time being, but will hold the idea of more suspension for a later date.
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    2019 pics spotted

    On the Kona Cog... 2019 spotted... Purple! Mastadon! 27.5 fat by the look of it.

    https://cog.konaworld.com/wp-content...0-PJK-1176.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by GusM View Post
    On the Kona Cog... 2019 spotted... Purple! Mastadon! 27.5 fat by the look of it.

    https://cog.konaworld.com/wp-content...0-PJK-1176.jpg
    And complete bike only from what I hear.

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    Yep, that's definitely 27.5s on it. Yay for Purple, boo for complete only though. Good to see them moving to a better fork too.

    Mine is hands down, my favorite fat bike to date. I've got over 100 miles on it in stock geometry form (well with 120mm fork) and am slinging the CC Angleset in it tomorrow.
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    Hope not,as I would drive to dealer this afternoon and pay full price for a frameset and just wait until it shows,but want to build it my way. But I don't really expect any different of Kona. Colors a 59 year old guy wouldn't really want first 2 years production,then good color but won't sell it to me the way I want. Maybe I will go get $700 out of bank and wave it in front of my dealers nose. Kinda want to build it as a 29+ with a boost fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GusM View Post
    On the Kona Cog... 2019 spotted... Purple! Mastadon! 27.5 fat by the look of it.

    ooh, me likey...

    *the bike, not the hipster tied shirt...*

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    Ready to try out the slacker HT angle.

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    A bit of extra stack. Look forward to the ride report. I think I am going to bump my 120 to 140. Really to increase stack - I am out of fork steerer and 6'5" could use the extra....

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    Quote Originally Posted by telejefe View Post
    A bit of extra stack. Look forward to the ride report. I think I am going to bump my 120 to 140. Really to increase stack - I am out of fork steerer and 6'5" could use the extra....
    Yep, the change adds around 10-11mm lower cup stack height.

    Uh oh, yeah bumping up the travel or bars with more rise sound like your only options (to stay with that fork anyway).
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    Do you think they updated the geo for 2019 or just color, fork, wheels, etc?

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    Warrantied Frame

    Kona sent me one of the demos they had. Tons of appreciation as I was gonna have to wait another month to receive my warrantied frame!!

    Super excited that today I had the frames swapped out and now I'm ready to roll. Bike looks sweet!

    Not sure why I can't upload photo on my phone. Will add some pics later.
    Colors are inverted from the original green, purple.
    Have 29+ on it now. I have BFats as well. Excited to try Bfats 27.5x4.5. Hopeful!....

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    Well, you can add my name to you "Wozos". I bought one of the last(maybe the last)2018 XL frames as my first ground up build. I just have to see what the hype is all about. Going to build it pretty close to factory spec with the exception of a 120 ext mastodon and possibly an angleset. super short stem and 780-800 bars. Pretty excited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelbo View Post
    Well, you can add my name to you "Wozos". I bought one of the last(maybe the last)2018 XL frames as my first ground up build. I just have to see what the hype is all about. Going to build it pretty close to factory spec with the exception of a 120 ext mastodon and possibly an angleset. super short stem and 780-800 bars. Pretty excited.
    Hypes worth it. Have fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Ready to try out the slacker HT angle.

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    Just to clarify, you've added 50mm to the front of that bike? 120 EXT with an angleset. I'd like to avoid the angleset and just do the 120 EXT and bump to 130 140. I know the angleset works fine, but I still don't like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelbo View Post
    Just to clarify, you've added 50mm to the front of that bike? 120 EXT with an angleset. I'd like to avoid the angleset and just do the 120 EXT and bump to 130 140. I know the angleset works fine, but I still don't like it.
    Incorrect. I've added around 16mm. My fork is a 120mm Magnum Pro 27.5+ with 527mm axle to crown length. SO only 6mm longer than the 521mm number used on the geometry chart, then add 10mm for the Angleset EC56 lower cup.
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    Thank you for the clarification. My first time dealing with this, I'm still trying to grasp all the numbers.

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    2019 Wozo on Kona site

    The 2019 Wozo is now up on Kona's website:
    KONA BIKES | MTB | FATBIKE | Wozo

    +Mastodon w/ 120mm travel
    +27.5x65mm wheels
    +Maxxis Minions 27.5x3.8 tires

    ?Frame geo and design unchanged? I can't tell by the looks and their numbers have always been a bit off on their charts for the Wozo.

    What's your guess?

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    For sale:

    2018 Kona Wozo frame, sz medium
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    Cane Creek 40 headset
    Race Face 150mm Dropper w/ remote
    Manitou Mastodon Pro 140mm
    29+ wheelset: Duroc 40, DT Swiss 350 Hubs, built by Mike Curiak, very fresh.

    Looking for best offer on all or part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvercoe View Post
    The 2019 Wozo is now up on Kona's website:
    KONA BIKES | MTB | FATBIKE | Wozo

    +Mastodon w/ 120mm travel
    +27.5x65mm wheels
    +Maxxis Minions 27.5x3.8 tires

    ?Frame geo and design unchanged? I can't tell by the looks and their numbers have always been a bit off on their charts for the Wozo.

    What's your guess?
    Looks good and smart changes on their part. I'm betting the frame is exactly the same as 2018.

    Interesting that it's yet another bike coming with the 27.5 x 65mm MuleFut rims. Maybe one day Sun Ringle will decide to sell those rims aftermarket.......

    Also confirmation that frame only option is gone.
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    I'm loving the Angleset!

    Kona Wozo Review: 420mm chainstay, runs 29+ to 26 x 4.8!-img_6438.jpg
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    Yeah, geo is the same.

    Fork spec is Comp only, listed as 100mm in specs, but described as being 120mm.

    Nice purple color.

    No frame option.

    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Looks good and smart changes on their part. I'm betting the frame is exactly the same as 2018.

    Interesting that it's yet another bike coming with the 27.5 x 65mm MuleFut rims. Maybe one day Sun Ringle will decide to sell those rims aftermarket.......

    Also confirmation that frame only option is gone.
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    Those are all smart & positive spec changes. I've liked all the Wozo colors so far and this one is no exception; blue is still my fav of the 3...just sayin'.

    Shame on lacking a frame only option (thus far) but at least the spec is less, ummm, disposable...frankly, it's close to what I ride minus some personal preferences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvercoe View Post
    The 2019 Wozo is now up on Kona's website:
    KONA BIKES | MTB | FATBIKE | Wozo

    +Mastodon w/ 120mm travel
    +27.5x65mm wheels
    +Maxxis Minions 27.5x3.8 tires

    ?Frame geo and design unchanged? I can't tell by the looks and their numbers have always been a bit off on their charts for the Wozo.

    What's your guess?
    Cool revision, definitely lost some fatness with the wheel change

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    Bottom bracket height has increased by 17mm or .669 inches. That's a real plus. Wheel base has increased slightly 4mm.

    corrected stand over to BB height. Big Mistake, more pedal clearance.
    Last edited by Bumpyride; 09-09-2018 at 09:29 PM.
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    2018 Kona Wozo, sz medium frame for sale. The frame is packaged with a Cane Creek 40 headset, Wheels Manufacturing SRAM GX thread B.B., and a Race Face 150mm Dropper.

    $800 for everything plus shipping and fees.

    https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/2425981/

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    2019 wozo

    Picked mine up today!Kona Wozo Review: 420mm chainstay, runs 29+ to 26 x 4.8!-kona-wozo-first-picture_2018-09-11-copy.jpg

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    Is it wrong that I envision this when looking at that bike?

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    Damn You! Ruined it for me and now I can't get the song out of my head

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    Quote Originally Posted by jt-nr View Post
    Picked mine up today!Click image for larger version. 

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    That color is dope!!

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    Damn You! Ruined it for me and now I can't get the song out of my head

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    Quote Originally Posted by TJayL View Post
    I put a 125 mm Bikeyoke Revive on mine. Excellent dropper, and well worth the money.
    Is the 125mm the maximum length you could fit? What frame size?
    How did you run the cable on the downtube - stick on cable mounts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jt-nr View Post
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    damn, and here i thought my old 2016 Farley 7 was too purple.

    Congrats on the bike!
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    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jt-nr View Post
    Is the 125mm the maximum length you could fit? What frame size?
    How did you run the cable on the downtube - stick on cable mounts?
    I've got an XL and it takes a 185mm Bike Yoke dropper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy Carter View Post
    I've got an XL and it takes a 185mm Bike Yoke dropper.
    Thanks, I have the 185 mm on my Process 134 and love the extra length. I'm planning on trying it on the Wozo when I have a chance. I picked up p-clips for the downtube for the cable.

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