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    Kona Fat Bike

    Has this been shared yet? It was posted by a rep from another Canadian bike company on my Facebook feed.
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    Just saw that myself. $1799.00 and that shop is taking pre-orders already. Crazy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Just saw that myself. $1799.00 and that shop is taking pre-orders already. Crazy!
    Did you see it posted by Jason at Norco? Is it possible that we have the same friend?

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    US pricing listed at $1699. Specs were released as follows.

    KONA WO Specs

    CATEGORY: Fat Bike

    MODEL: WO

    FRAME MATERIAL: Kona 6061 Aluminum Butted

    SIZES: S, M, L, XL

    Fork: Kona P2 Fat Disc

    Crankarms: FSA

    Chainrings: 24/36/Guard

    B/B: FSA ISIS

    Pedals: Wellgo Platform

    Chain: KMC

    Freewheel: Shimano HG20 11-34t 9 spd

    F/D: Shimano SLX

    R/D: Shimano Deore Shadow

    Shifters: Shimano Alivio

    Brake Calipers: Tektro Mechanical

    Front Brake Rotor: Tektro 160mm

    Rear Brake Rotor: Tektro 160mm

    Brake Levers: Tektro ML330

    Headset: TH Internal

    Handlebar: Kona Handplant

    Stem: Kona XC/Road

    Seatpost: Kona Double Clamp

    Seat Clamp: Kona Thumb OB

    Grips: Kona SLOG

    Saddle: Kona Fat

    Front Hub: Joytech 135mm

    Rear Hub: Joytech 170mm

    Spokes: Stainless 14g

    Rims: Jetset

    Front Tire: Vee Rubber 26x4.0"

    Rear Tire: Vee Rubber 26x4.0"

    Paint Color: Matt Black w/Grey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machinist View Post
    Did you see it posted by Jason at Norco? Is it possible that we have the same friend?
    Kootenay Bike shop is who I saw post it.
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    It looks like Jason shared it from Kootenay Bike Shop, so we both saw the same source.

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    I just put a deposit on a ute and was going to throw my gazzis in it.
    I'll take a pic when i'm done, should look nearly identical!
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    Oh yeah, they state that it is spec'd with 4" tires but the fork has room for more. Sounds like Bud and Lou are out for the rear and probably BFLs as well.
    I'm guessing the Vee rubber tire they talk about is the mission, but who knows. Also wondering if they are going to spec a trials width rim from Jetset or if there is something wider in the works from them.

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    9 speed, Alivio shifters, and ISIS BB are rather disappointing. Joytech hubs and Jetset rims are probably similar to the On-One Fatty. If the Vee rubber tires are their current models, then they're real heavy; it would be a good thing if Kona has Vee making a new, lighter tire for them. I guess that we'll see...

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    And, it begins. It looks like a competent attempt at making a competitor to the pugsley. The rear dropouts are a serious improvement over the pugsley. I like the rear brake mount on the chainstay. Frame looks like a frame. The big question is gonna be, what is a jetset rim and what are those vee rubber tires? As for the rest of the parts, nothing fancy.

    Be interesting to see how it handles...

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    Jetset has a new singlewall 70 on their website
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeG View Post
    9 speed, Alivio shifters, and ISIS BB are rather disappointing. Joytech hubs and Jetset rims are probably similar to the On-One Fatty. If the Vee rubber tires are their current models, then they're real heavy; it would be a good thing if Kona has Vee making a new, lighter tire for them. I guess that we'll see...
    I will say that the new Alivio shifters feel pretty good. Better than 4 years ago deore 9 speed shifters. With X7 cranks as an option it would have been nice to see something better than Isis for sure. I'm not familiar with the wheels from the Fatty. Honestly, I dealt with the guys from Planet X a few years ago and they were complete asses. I was an On-one fan until then, but now I would never buy one of their bikes. Because of that I haven't paid attention to their offering, much to my own detriment of knowledge.
    I can't imagine Kona has the pull to have Vee make something better. If it's better than the mission or the origin8 stuff I'm guessing it was in the pipeline before Kona asked. Could be wrong on that though. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens.

    Oh yeah, and Tektro Mechanicals!? Seriously!? Not on a $1700 bike with no suspension. The $499 Lanai comes with Tektro mechanicals. Even their $700 hardtails come with hydros. To me, that's a joke. Plan on shelling out more $$$ on an instant brake upgrade with that bike.

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    The geometry is something I would like to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SOS View Post
    Oh yeah, and Tektro Mechanicals!? Seriously!? Not on a $1700 bike with no suspension. The $499 Lanai comes with Tektro mechanicals. Even their $700 hardtails come with hydros. To me, that's a joke. Plan on shelling out more $$$ on an instant brake upgrade with that bike.
    I agree. Given the price, I'm somewhat disappointed in the build. Same price as a Pugsley, but at least with the Pug you get BB7s and Marge Lites and not-Joytech hubs.
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    I think people looking for innovation from Kona, Trek, Specialized, etc. are going to be sorely disappointed, at least for now. The point now is to take advantage of hype and dealer networks to sell a hot item at a premium price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithcreek View Post
    I think people looking for innovation from Kona, Trek, Specialized, etc. are going to be sorely disappointed, at least for now. The point now is to take advantage of hype and dealer networks to sell a hot item at a premium price.
    Agreed. THis is a test. if it works, it'll get more dollars for development. but for now, this is just a toe in the water. However, even for such a small test, they got someone else to make a 70mm rim. that means potentially one more rim option on the market.

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    Re: Kona Fat Bike

    Meh...

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    What's with the 24 X 34 granny gear. Not enough for my riding, not even close.

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    Interested in Geometry and thinking that the 1699 may be a bit high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckfiddious View Post
    Agreed. THis is a test. if it works, it'll get more dollars for development. but for now, this is just a toe in the water. However, even for such a small test, they got someone else to make a 70mm rim. that means potentially one more rim option on the market.
    Do we know it's a 70mm rim? I assumed it was the same as the On One Fatty, so not a specific Kona item.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithcreek View Post
    I think people looking for innovation from Kona, Trek, Specialized, etc. are going to be sorely disappointed, at least for now. The point now is to take advantage of hype and dealer networks to sell a hot item at a premium price.
    Word. I'm just hoping tires get cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by druidh View Post
    Do we know it's a 70mm rim? I assumed it was the same as the On One Fatty, so not a specific Kona item.
    On jetset's website, there's a new single wall 70 mm rim listed. Also a bunch of cool looking trials rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by druidh View Post
    Do we know it's a 70mm rim? I assumed it was the same as the On One Fatty, so not a specific Kona item.

    From Jetset's website:
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    The 70mm rim is the Jetset HC-517S if you want to search for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    ...that shop is taking pre-orders already. Crazy!
    Have they given a delivery date?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Have they given a delivery date?

    They were saying August. But ya know how that can go....
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    Yeesh. What, pray tell, makes that justify a $1,700 msrp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    Yeesh. What, pray tell, makes that justify a $1,700 msrp?
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    I guess it could be worth the asking price if the frame is really nice(light).
    those HC-517S rims are the OnOne Fatty rims.
    Hopefully those rims, the joytech hubs and OnOne floater tires, as well as whatever tire Kona will be using all become available as replacement parts somewhere.

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    See, what I don't get though is a nice frame with crappy parts wouldn't make sense, because if one inevitably wants to upgrade those parts, they will spend wayyyyy more money than buying, say, a Pugsley to begin with.

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    you ever see a bike sold for MSRP?
    like EVER???
    MSRP is irrelevant, I'd expect it at 1499.
    more'n fine, but until i see geo sheets to convince me it'll be quick, it reminds me of a fat-tired ute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by byknuts View Post
    you ever see a bike sold for MSRP?
    like EVER???
    Yes....frequently in small markets [I live in Canada so feel my pain! My MSRP is usually more than the US MSRP. ] - especially if you are special ordering in something the LBS doesn't stock.

    I just ordered a new frame and paid MSRP to support my LBS. I could have saved some $$$ buying mailorder from the US, but I knew I'd be riding that frame with guys from the LBS so that seemed like a bad idea!

    OTOH - Kona seems to regularly blow out their over stock at the end of the season so if you can't get a deal right away and they don't blow through their inventory you might just scoop up a Kona fatty on clearance.
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    I pay MSRP for any bike I have to have my shop special order. Gladly- i want them to make money and prosper. So, like all my Surlys. And my Transition Bandit 29. If I would have bought a Specialized from them, they'd discount it I'm sure. But I suppose in this context, if it is a Kona dealer with fatbikes in stock, sure, I'd assume a 10% discount if supply was plentiful.

    But then again, who factors in discounts when making comparisons? Especially if these bikes are hard to get, I can't imagine they'd be discounted right at release.

    If anything, like others have said, this should provide more parts options, so that's cool.

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    hey Vik, I'm in Bob n Doug-land as well.
    Still, don't think I've ever seen a bike at MSRP on the shop floor.
    But to be fair- I don't regularly look at "this year" models so maybe my view's skewed.
    My Ute for example is 675$. So ummm... yeah, well below msrp.
    I'm just hoping Kona steps up to make enough for there to be decent stock in any shop that wants them.
    I'm not buying Surly anymore for a reason...
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    No room for 100's or a Lou? Won't be on my radar. Already owned a skinny fatbike.
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    I would cautiously speculate that the Wo is directed towards the all seasons crowd, much like the On-One, rather than the snow-specific market that fatbikes were originally adopted by...just pure speculation on my part...
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    Quote Originally Posted by damnitman View Post
    I would cautiously speculate that the Wo is directed towards the all seasons crowd, much like the On-One, rather than the snow-specific market that fatbikes were originally adopted by...just pure speculation on my part...
    For sure. I doubt any of the big guys will jump on hundo's and big tires.
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    No sliding dropouts is a bummer for me... I'm out unless the geo is amazing. I'm a Kona fan-boy too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeG View Post
    From Jetset's website:
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    That new 70mm rim is my original 70mm without a bead lock from 2008.
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    Love Kona as a company...but for $50 more you get a Muk 3 with BB7's, Rolling Darryls, Formula hubs and Nates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugeye View Post
    Love Kona as a company...but for $50 more you get a Muk 3 with BB7's, Rolling Darryls, Formula hubs and Nates.
    Exaaaactly.

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    As long as they sell surlys in yer town...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugeye View Post
    Love Kona as a company...but for $50 more you get a Muk 3 with BB7's, Rolling Darryls, Formula hubs and Nates.
    and you can mail order Salsa Mukluks if you don't have a Salsa dealer locally or if your LBS has a QBP account they can call Salsa and work out a one time order if they have stock.

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    I have a local Kona dealer close to my house. I will be interested to see if they stock a fat bike or don't bother since we don't have snow.
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    So, the market for this bike is:
    A) People who really like the Kona brand.
    B) People who really dislike QBP/Surly/Salsa.
    C) People who want a bike that's in stock (maybe) when Surly's and Salsa's aren't?

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    Is there a chance that the MSRP was misreported?

    MSRP's are not irrelevant for Kona. MSRP's are irrelevant at, like, Performance Bike, or Bikes Direct, but not Kona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    So, the market for this bike is:
    A) People who really like the Kona brand.
    B) People who really dislike QBP/Surly/Salsa.
    C) People who want a bike that's in stock (maybe) when Surly's and Salsa's aren't?
    That'd be my guess, too.

    Kona makes good bikes, bikes that are known to work. Remember, for most folks, Surly makes frames for people with piercings and tattoos who think showers are optional... and salsa makes skewers.

    It's really hard to commit to buying something as weird as a fatbike without a test ride. That's why I'm on a pugsley instead of a Salsa. The mukluk may be a better bike in every way but if I can't test ride something that different, I'm not gonna buy it.

    no matter what, it's another option. THat's cool no matter how you slice it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    C) People who want a bike that's in stock (maybe) when Surly's and Salsa's aren't?
    That's the key. If a Kona dealer brings in a fat bike for the showroom floor in a LBS that doesn't otherwise stock fatbikes you might covert some folks who would otherwise not buy a fatty.

    Having said that I was just at a LBS that is a solid Surly dealer that doesn't want to bring in any Pugs or MLs because they don't see a market for them - read into that none of the main store employees are stoked about them.

    It will be interesting to see how Kona offering this bike affects availability in the wild. If my local Kona dealer gets one in I'll take it for a test ride and chat with the employees about to see what their opinion is.

    If people are keen on fatbikes already there are lots of ways to satisfy that itch without Kona. Since the price and spec are nothing special what Kona can do is introduce fatties to a new crowd. If their dealers order them and if their store employees get stoked to sell them.

    I think to make that happen Kona will need to get their reps out in the field with some product and some stoke to generate awareness/interest in the LBS that are not fatbike friendly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugeye View Post
    Love Kona as a company...but for $50 more you get a Muk 3 with BB7's, Rolling Darryls, Formula hubs and Nates.
    If this spec sheet is accurate they've dropped the ball. I have two konas and love them, but in this case my muk3 is a killer deal compared to this. In no way would I consider this one, even if I haaaad to have a fatbike now and this one was on the floor I would pass it up. Sorry kona...

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    This thing should be $999.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    any LBS with a QBP account can order them even if they don't stock Muks.
    No they can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancake Adventure View Post
    No they can't.
    Actually they can. I checked with Salsa and a non-dealer with a QBP account can order Salsa product if there is stock available. They just need to contact Salsa and work out the details.
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    I guess there are a couple of good things about living in Minneapolis. We have plenty of snow to enjoy fat bikes in and are home to Surly and Salsa. Every Fall/Winter, most shops stock a ton of fat bikes so it is really easy to demo any size or style of the Pugs, Muks, and Moonlanders. It is also usually easy enough to find someone local to try other brands out also. Just a ton of fat bikes here. Also, many of our shops now rent Pugs and Muks for winter use, so it is really easy to demo a bike on a real ride for a day or two. The idea of not having fatbikes on display at the local bike shops is really foreign to me the last couple of winters.

    That said, I'd love to see the Kona in a shop. I rode an Explosif for years. Always liked my Kona. Got a Mukluk myself, but it is always cool to see the new fatbike offerings.

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    I like Kona quite a bit, so I'll withhold judgement until I see/ride the thing.

    Assuming a shop in my area brings one in, of course. BB5's though?

    ...not so much.

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    Maybe I missed it. Did someone post a photo?

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    That build is cheaper then an On-One.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1spd1way View Post
    Maybe I missed it. Did someone post a photo?
    I haven't seen a photo. If the due date is late summer there may not be any bikes to photograph yet beyond whatever prototypes that might exist.
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    The spec is as accurate as Kona tells their dealers. Kona does tend to change a thing or two from initial release, but it's not likely it will change much. Enough to justify the price? Hardly.

    The key to "anyone with a qbp account" getting a Muk is that they have to be in stock, which they weren't this year. For a while qbp even limited the avail of surly fat bikes to "stocking" dealers and only allowed orders of 6 or more at a time. Salsa is a limited brand in a way that Surly isn't. To limit Surly bikes wasn't a loyalty thing, it was a profit thing. Convince shops to buy 6 bikes so they can get the two bikes they really need. Kona doesn't do that, Trek only does that with their e-bikes. That is straight up BS since a lot of shops promised bikes to customers and then QBP changed their minds about supply once they realized how in demand they are. Qbp is like every other brand. They care about their product as long as it makes them money. Pretending like they are advocates of fat bikes past profit margins is BS. Now everyone is in on the party because QBP is making money. The big bike company's have no passion. They are selling "units" not bikes, and qbp is a big bike company. So is Kona.

    If this doesn't bug you, no worries. If it does, don't buy a Kona, a Surly, a Salsa, a Specialed, an On One, or an Origin-8. Buy from a smaller company like 9:zero:7 or Fatback. At least they care about the product they make money off of.

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    The frame should be available separately like most Kona bikes, correct? Wondering what the price will be.

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    Ok, wow.

    First: to be a salsa dealer you need to order at least 10 bikes or frames. If you are not, you can ask for product and you might get it if you are not too close to a Salsa dealer.

    Second: you could order one or two bikes from surly of you wanted, but if you got 6, you got a better price. They don't have a true dealer network.

    Third: pretty sure nobody "changed their mind" about how to sell bikes midway through a season. That makes no sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Actually they can. I checked with Salsa and a non-dealer with a QBP account can order Salsa product if there is stock available. They just need to contact Salsa and work out the details.
    50% correct.

    If there is stock, and they are not close to another Salsa dealer.

    Disclaimer: I work part time at a friends bike shop for the deallzzzzz, so I'm familiar with the order/dealer/preseason process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SOS View Post
    The spec is as accurate as Kona tells their dealers. Kona does tend to change a thing or two from initial release, but it's not likely it will change much. Enough to justify the price? Hardly.

    The key to "anyone with a qbp account" getting a Muk is that they have to be in stock, which they weren't this year. For a while qbp even limited the avail of surly fat bikes to "stocking" dealers and only allowed orders of 6 or more at a time. Salsa is a limited brand in a way that Surly isn't. To limit Surly bikes wasn't a loyalty thing, it was a profit thing. Convince shops to buy 6 bikes so they can get the two bikes they really need. Kona doesn't do that, Trek only does that with their e-bikes. That is straight up BS since a lot of shops promised bikes to customers and then QBP changed their minds about supply once they realized how in demand they are. Qbp is like every other brand. They care about their product as long as it makes them money. Pretending like they are advocates of fat bikes past profit margins is BS. Now everyone is in on the party because QBP is making money. The big bike company's have no passion. They are selling "units" not bikes, and qbp is a big bike company. So is Kona.

    If this doesn't bug you, no worries. If it does, don't buy a Kona, a Surly, a Salsa, a Specialed, an On One, or an Origin-8. Buy from a smaller company like 9:zero:7 or Fatback. At least they care about the product they make money off of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancake Adventure View Post
    50% correct.

    If there is stock, and they are not close to another Salsa dealer.

    Disclaimer: I work part time at a friends bike shop for the deallzzzzz, so I'm familiar with the order/dealer/preseason process.
    I don't think any LBS can sell you something that is out of stock. Even if they are a dealer.

    And if there is a Salsa dealer 15 minutes away you can just go buy your Muk from them.

    Both those points seem pretty obvious.
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    Disclaimer: I work part time at a friends bike shop for the deallzzzzz, so I'm familiar with the order/dealer/preseason process.
    lots of LBS employees here as well as shop owners so your not breaking any ground with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SOS View Post
    Qbp is like every other brand. They care about their product as long as it makes them money. Pretending like they are advocates of fat bikes past profit margins is BS.
    I don't know of any bike company that's in business to make stuff without a profit motive. I want the companies I buy from to make a profit because I want them to build more cool stuff for me. QBP has invested in a number of fatbikes [Pugs, Neckro, Moonie, Muk, Muk Ti, Beargrease AL & carbon and Krampus if you consider that a fatty] and lots of fatbike specific parts [rims, cranks, tires].

    They've given us more fatbike choices than all the other companies combined. I don't get how that makes them the evil empire?

    As soon as Surly spent the $$ to build 29 x 3.0 tires and 50mm 29er rims a ton of companies started working on bikes to use them. I spoke to one smaller bike company owner and he has wanted 29 x 3.0" rubber for years, but the cost/risk was too much for him to take on and he was stoked Surly is providing the parts so he can now build bikes to go with them. I hope Surly makes a bunch of $$ on the Krampus so they make more 29 x 3.0" tires.


    If Kona/Trek/Spec comes to the table with new fatbike products that we all think are cool that would be great, but if they just want to rehash some generic concept of a fatbike using existing parts to get a chunk of the market without contributing to its evolution than I see nothing to get excited about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    If Kona/Trek/Spec comes to the table with new fatbike products that we all think are cool that would be great, but if they just want to rehash some generic concept of a fatbike using existing parts to get a chunk of the market without contributing to its evolution than I see nothing to get excited about.
    Except that would be "those evil corporate d!ckbags are starting a new proprietary standard so they can take over the sport!"

    I'm seeing Kona/Trek/Spec as damned if they do, damned if they don't here.

    I live in a town that is crazy about bikes and crazy about winter. We have a ton of bike shops. Want to guess how many of those bike shops have fatbikes on the floor, ready to buy? 2, maybe 3. At the beginning of winter.

    A big part of contributing to the evolution of fatbikes is going to simply be making them available to anyone who wants one whenever they want one.

    Because once fatbikes are no longer scarce, once you don't have to hope you can get one of the 1000 that got built this year, you're gonna start not feeling so happy about the crap equipment and the fact that they don't always work and that they weigh a ton.

    A trek X-caliber 29er has almost the same MSRP as a Pugsley. And yet, it's got better parts in every single place. Hydraulic brakes. Rims that are already made to be tubeless. An 11-36 cassette. And, it's available any time you want to buy a bike.

    And this all actually bodes very well for QBP- they may not be as big as Kona/Trek/Spec, but they have a massive head start, they have a big network of suppliers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I don't think any LBS can sell you something that is out of stock. Even if they are a dealer.

    And if there is a Salsa dealer 15 minutes away you can just go buy your Muk from them.

    Both those points seem pretty obvious.
    Right, so then "any QBP" account can't sell you a Salsa Product.

    /semantics

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    Kona is using Ferrari Bicycle brand tactics with their MSRP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I don't know of any bike company that's in business to make stuff without a profit motive. I want the companies I buy from to make a profit because I want them to build more cool stuff for me. QBP has invested in a number of fatbikes [Pugs, Neckro, Moonie, Muk, Muk Ti, Beargrease AL & carbon and Krampus if you consider that a fatty] and lots of fatbike specific parts [rims, cranks, tires].

    They've given us more fatbike choices than all the other companies combined. I don't get how that makes them the evil empire?
    No one said that it "makes" them the evil empire, but it sure as hell doesn't redeem them. QBP is not some happy-go-lucky group of bike geeks. They are a group of businessmen and warehouse workers many of whom don't ride bikes. Yes, a business that size has to be run like a business, but the deal that happened this year with surly proves that QBP is far more interested in making money than spreading the fat bike love. I know of quite a few shops who wanted fat bikes but couldn't afford to buy six at a shot so they were screwed. Most dealers didn't even know this was going on, but some did.
    I believe there is a place for the big brands. They are there to produce things that the little guy can't, like tires and rims. But I also believe it's important to know who is a big brand and who isn't.
    Honestly, I'd rather ride one of the little guys, but I ride a surly, so F-me anyway. I also like Kona as far as the people I've met who represent them, but they are in the party because there is money to be made, not because they wanted to be part of a really cool niche of the bike industry. Look at their S**T spec and that's pretty obvious.

    Yes, surly helped make fatbikes main stream, which I give them credit for and I think is great for those of us who may not have known about them otherwise. But their business practices are there to help them, not us. If they are breaking even on fat bikes, or even just making a small profit they'll drop them in a hurry and pretend they never had a thing to do with them in the first place. If a smaller company turns a very small profit after everyone is paid they are likely to keep going because there is a passion in their craft that the big guys forgot about years ago.

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    less "who sucks more, qbp or kona" and more bikes!!

    so this is my kona ute with 3" gazzaloddis.
    pretty damn close to the Wo. Cost me under 700$ plus whatever fat stuff I had at home.

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    I feel bad for any shop stupid enough to get on this bandwagon with kona. Do you and your customers a favor and sell Salsas for a couple hundred bucks more. You just know these POS's are going break and Kona won't have any replacement warranty frames and its not like other models where they can say "oh you broke your 2008 cinder cone? here's a 2010 cinder cone" and also because they're making them out of aluminum its not possible to repair the cheap cracked welds when they develop. Some shops have access to local framebuilders who use steel, too bad kona went with one of its cheap chinese builders who 'specialize' in aluminum. Lots of guys are cumming in their pants over these, they should just spend the extra 300-600 bucks and get something good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by extreem biker View Post
    I feel bad for any shop stupid enough to get on this bandwagon with kona. Do you and your customers a favor and sell Salsas for a couple hundred bucks more. You just know these POS's are going break and Kona won't have any replacement warranty frames and its not like other models where they can say "oh you broke your 2008 cinder cone? here's a 2010 cinder cone" and also because they're making them out of aluminum its not possible to repair the cheap cracked welds when they develop. Some shops have access to local framebuilders who use steel, too bad kona went with one of its cheap chinese builders who 'specialize' in aluminum. Lots of guys are cumming in their pants over these, they should just spend the extra 300-600 bucks and get something good.

    Uhh, right. You should check this out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by extreem biker View Post
    I feel bad for any shop stupid enough to get on this bandwagon with kona. Do you and your customers a favor and sell Salsas for a couple hundred bucks more. You just know these POS's are going break and Kona won't have any replacement warranty frames and its not like other models where they can say "oh you broke your 2008 cinder cone? here's a 2010 cinder cone" and also because they're making them out of aluminum its not possible to repair the cheap cracked welds when they develop. Some shops have access to local framebuilders who use steel, too bad kona went with one of its cheap chinese builders who 'specialize' in aluminum. Lots of guys are cumming in their pants over these, they should just spend the extra 300-600 bucks and get something good.
    As someone with one of the many broken Snowblind Pugsleys, and a 2005 Kona Jake the Snake that has been abused, raced, crashed, etc for 9 years now and with about 25,000kms on it, I laugh at your post.

    I currently own the aforementioned 2005 JtS, a 2011 Explosif and just got my son a 2013 Kula 24, and my personal opinion is that Kona sources some of the best frames from Asia. The quality of the welds on all of these bikes puts those on my Pugs to shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by extreem biker View Post
    I feel bad for any shop stupid enough to get on this bandwagon with kona. Do you and your customers a favor and sell Salsas for a couple hundred bucks more. You just know these POS's are going break and Kona won't have any replacement warranty frames and its not like other models where they can say "oh you broke your 2008 cinder cone? here's a 2010 cinder cone" and also because they're making them out of aluminum its not possible to repair the cheap cracked welds when they develop. Some shops have access to local framebuilders who use steel, too bad kona went with one of its cheap chinese builders who 'specialize' in aluminum. Lots of guys are cumming in their pants over these, they should just spend the extra 300-600 bucks and get something good.
    You realize that Salsa's are aluminum right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by extreem biker View Post
    I feel bad for any shop stupid enough to get on this bandwagon with kona. Do you and your customers a favor and sell Salsas for a couple hundred bucks more. You just know these POS's are going break and Kona won't have any replacement warranty frames and its not like other models where they can say "oh you broke your 2008 cinder cone? here's a 2010 cinder cone" and also because they're making them out of aluminum its not possible to repair the cheap cracked welds when they develop. Some shops have access to local framebuilders who use steel, too bad kona went with one of its cheap chinese builders who 'specialize' in aluminum. Lots of guys are cumming in their pants over these, they should just spend the extra 300-600 bucks and get something good.
    I have an 2008 Cinder Cone. Those are tough to break.

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    ...give him a break...he's extreme, he must know what he's talking about...
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    Quote Originally Posted by damnitman View Post
    ...give him a break...he's extreme, he must know what he's talking about...
    Correction... *extreem

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    Correction... *extreem
    as opposed to ystreem??

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    ...or as opposed to "D0UCHEE"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by byknuts View Post
    less "who sucks more, qbp or kona" and more bikes!!

    so this is my kona ute with 3" gazzaloddis.
    pretty damn close to the Wo. Cost me under 700$ plus whatever fat stuff I had at home.

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    "More bikes" indeed. Do you have any more photos of this one? How does it compare, floatation wise, with a normal fat bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lancelot View Post
    You realize that Salsa's are aluminum right?
    Oh. My. God.

    Total brainfart on my part. I had a few beers by that point.

    I meant to say "Surly"

    Apologies for all of the fallout that probably came about from this.

    Its funny, though, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    As someone with one of the many broken Snowblind Pugsleys, and a 2005 Kona Jake the Snake that has been abused, raced, crashed, etc for 9 years now and with about 25,000kms on it, I laugh at your post.

    I currently own the aforementioned 2005 JtS, a 2011 Explosif and just got my son a 2013 Kula 24, and my personal opinion is that Kona sources some of the best frames from Asia. The quality of the welds on all of these bikes puts those on my Pugs to shame.
    You are very fortunate to have such positive experiences with the Kona brand. Ride in good health.

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    I've had lots of friends with Konas and they've had no issues with the frames. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one based on quality or warranty support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I've had lots of friends with Konas and they've had no issues with the frames. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one based on quality or warranty support.
    Yeah, I've had nothing but positive experiences with my Kona's... my Hei Hei 29 has been bulletproof.

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    Kona distributes 1000's of bikes around the world so chances are, most people have had good experiences with the Kona brand. Myself, based on my experience, I would never own one or encourage someone I know to own one. I realize this is a big wankfest for kona and their wo, so I probably should look for a kona bashing thread, which I'm sure won't be hard to find.

    Like I said, ride and enjoy, odds are you will never have an issue with kona or their bikes, enjoy.

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    This post finally confirmed this
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    This post finally confirmed this
    Awesome find. What a dark and mysterious video


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    As someone with one of the many broken Snowblind Pugsleys, and a 2005 Kona Jake the Snake that has been abused, raced, crashed, etc for 9 years now and with about 25,000kms on it, I laugh at your post.

    I currently own the aforementioned 2005 JtS, a 2011 Explosif and just got my son a 2013 Kula 24, and my personal opinion is that Kona sources some of the best frames from Asia. The quality of the welds on all of these bikes puts those on my Pugs to shame.
    Agreed, I have had nothing but good experiences with Kona ans truth be told I may have gotten this Kona instead of my pug if it was an option. Kona is even warrantying a 2001 Firemountain for me. I love the brand and will keep buying them. I just scooped the new Unit and it is a thing of beauty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r1Gel View Post
    This post finally confirmed this
    I am not sure if this confirms anything. All I see is a fat front with a Carver carbon fat fork on a frame with a "Kona" decal. There is a Carver carbon top cap (this was the real clue and is the same as on my Carver fork setup). Scrutinizing this dark video closely tells me the outline is probably a Carver fork.

    Yes, it could be a full fat and a new bike frame from Kona, but I don't see anything that confirms it, and from what has been "reported" thus far, I doubt they'd spec a Carver carbon fork on this build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saw View Post
    "More bikes" indeed. Do you have any more photos of this one? How does it compare, floatation wise, with a normal fat bike?
    Hey Saw: no new pics, was really a late-night "What if?!"
    I''m hoping to have a pair of 47mm rims laced up soon.
    Then the plan is- pop the gazzi on that wheel in a Z3qr20 with blackspire brace in front.

    I CAN however speak to how good on gazzis on 40mm spank rims are on the beach- pretty damn good. My local beach is usually wetish sand, not dry silty stuff.
    It'll still dig in a bit but really, it works.
    No oddball frame needed and as I've said before, I'll take 3" of tire under 6" of fox 36 fork travel over 3.7" tire on a rigid fork.... allllll daaaay looong.
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    Never see the rear wheel correct? Could be a half fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoobytao View Post
    I am not sure if this confirms anything. All I see is a fat front with a Carver carbon fat fork on a frame with a "Kona" decal. There is a Carver carbon top cap (this was the real clue and is the same as on my Carver fork setup). Scrutinizing this dark video closely tells me the outline is probably a Carver fork.

    Yes, it could be a full fat and a new bike frame from Kona, but I don't see anything that confirms it, and from what has been "reported" thus far, I doubt they'd spec a Carver carbon fork on this build.
    If you actually read the article that started this thread:

    "The bike will be called the Wo, a reference to Hawaii Five-O villan Wo Fat, the master Chinese spy and super criminal. The frame is 6061 aluminum, mated to a fat-sized version of the classic Kona P2 steel fork. Build details include Shimano shifters and derailleurs, an FSA crankset, Tektro mechanical disc brakes, and Joytech hubs spaced 135mm front and 170mm rear. The stock tires will be Vee Rubber's Mission 26x4.0."

    I'm sure the Carver bits are just on there for now for testing, who knows.

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    I'm with you on the suspension fork. My rigid aluminum fork is beating me up, even with the 4.8 tires. (I'm not as young and resilient as I used to be.)

    Love the concept of your bike. The ideal end state for my Tommi Sea is something like a fat Kona MinUte with 20" long Xtracycle Freeloaders on the back and a suspension fork that can handle panniers on the front. Something like a pedal powered Land Rover 110.

    Quote Originally Posted by byknuts View Post
    Hey Saw: no new pics, was really a late-night "What if?!"
    I''m hoping to have a pair of 47mm rims laced up soon.
    Then the plan is- pop the gazzi on that wheel in a Z3qr20 with blackspire brace in front.

    I CAN however speak to how good on gazzis on 40mm spank rims are on the beach- pretty damn good. My local beach is usually wetish sand, not dry silty stuff.
    It'll still dig in a bit but really, it works.
    No oddball frame needed and as I've said before, I'll take 3" of tire under 6" of fox 36 fork travel over 3.7" tire on a rigid fork.... allllll daaaay looong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    If you actually read the article that started this thread:

    "The bike will be called the Wo, a reference to Hawaii Five-O villan Wo Fat, the master Chinese spy and super criminal. The frame is 6061 aluminum, mated to a fat-sized version of the classic Kona P2 steel fork. Build details include Shimano shifters and derailleurs, an FSA crankset, Tektro mechanical disc brakes, and Joytech hubs spaced 135mm front and 170mm rear. The stock tires will be Vee Rubber's Mission 26x4.0."

    I'm sure the Carver bits are just on there for now for testing, who knows.
    I was not debating anything about Kona's intent, only commenting about the supposition that this video confirmed anything about their intent.

    I said "Scrutinizing this dark video closely tells me the outline is probably a Carver fork." It was not just the topcap. P2 fork legs are round. There is not a lot to work with in this video, but in a few frames you can see the legs appear to be flattened/ovalized and otherwise shaped like the Carver fork on my fatbike. You can even kinda see the decal on the left side of it in the video link itself. (You need to be familiar enough with the fork to recognize the outline and colors of the decal to know what you are looking for).

    But it would not tbe the first time I was wrong, and clearly this video is propaganda from Kona intended to inform and educate us abut their product development.

    Dont let me dissuade you from believing whatever you want. Faith base trolling is what makes the world wide web go around.

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    It definitely is a Carver fork, wasn't arguing that... you didn't sound like you believed that Kona was working on a fatty, that was all my point was.

    I'm guessing that was a Kona frame only build... but who knows. It was from the Kona vimeo channel so I doubt they were faking it.

    They posted this article today on facebook though... maybe another hint they are interested in that market

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    Couldn't be.... could it?

    Trek To Release 29in Fuel EX And Remedy Models - BikeRadar

    The mystery third bike will also be revealed at the end of the month at a media launch in Sedona, Arizona. "And no, its not a 650b bike," said Trek mountain bike brand manager Travis Ott in an email. "Its much better than that."

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    Ooh, a mystery bike.

    Usually that type of announcement leads to disappointment for most that read it. Everyone that reads it imagines it being whatever they might want to see, then when it actually comes out, most are disappointed because it wasn't what they had imagined.

    So, are they launching a bike so great that all will be impressed. that is the only way they could come out ahead. Otherwise, they should just leave it be until it is announced.

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    like the old school (93?) decals!

    edit: on the Kona in the vid i mean....

    i could be wrong but the frame looked ti-ish....
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    Quote Originally Posted by druidh View Post
    They better not steal my idea lol....

    It would be cool, but trek usually doesn't sell frame only do they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by druidh View Post
    I was really hoping for a 650B Fuel EX
    I'm disappointed by Trek's apparent attitude to 650B with their statement on the 3rd bike not being 650B and that it will be "much better than that"

    Wait, how'd this discussion get in a thread about fat bikes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by r1Gel View Post
    I was really hoping for a 650B Fuel EX
    I'm disappointed by Trek's apparent attitude to 650B with their statement on the 3rd bike not being 650B and that it will be "much better than that"

    Wait, how'd this discussion get in a thread about fat bikes?
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    What is better than a 650b fuel?... A fat fuel.....
    Not holding my breath, but it would be a nice surprise from one of the big guys. Maybe they teamed up with Fox and it'll have a fat f120 too. /dreaming

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckfiddious View Post
    And this all actually bodes very well for QBP- they may not be as big as Kona/Trek/Spec, but they have a massive head start, they have a big network of suppliers.
    Im sorry For quoting an old post ... I also realize this wasnt the first post to compare the companies. I also realize it may not be important to anybody but I was researching this bike and felt the need to intervene.

    Ok. KONA is not even close to the size of QBP... QBP's Minneapolis warehouse/office is at least three times as big Konas only warehouse/office, they also have two other locations... Trek and Spec yeah they are huge I dont need to go into this. Most people that frequent this site work for companies with more people than Kona has working for them including there outside reps. They are a pretty small bike company, Im not trying to argue that this is good or bad just correcting mistakes.

    Anyway, anyone have any real pics of this thing?
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    Interesting....too bad yet another hard tail...

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    Re: Kona Fat Bike

    That frame may have to grow on me. Hmm. Cool to see it finally announced though.
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    Gees Kona, WTF?

    I am really sorry to say this, and I hope nobody gets offended, but I think Konas new fat bike fails. I cant believe it has VD (vertical dropouts.) and why the crapy brakes? That crankset looks so walmart, and why would you spec it with Veemissions, seriously? Joytech hubs? I like the shape of the frame and I like Kona but this bike fails so hard I dont even know. Damn.
    I dont like to be negative so the good thing here is that I'm sure Kona will train like rocky for their next fat bike since this one just failed so hard. I know you can do better than this Kona come on Man!!!!!!!

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    I have to say I am surprised it took Kona so long to join in with a fat bike. That being said, I am surprised with some of the choices they made in the build. i assume they were trying to keep the price low to appeal to more first time fat bike buyers. Looking forward to hear some reviews on the ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Desert Walker View Post
    I think Konas new fat bike fails.
    Just wondering where you got those extra specs? I agree though... with how they spec'd it they could have gone a lot lower on the price and maybe sold a bunch. I suppose that is MSRP though, so a shop could still go like $1500 and make money.
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    Thanks to Scoty B on Uk Fat bikes, from Singletrack UK Magazine

    Singletrack Magazine | Introducing the 2014 Kona Range

    "Wo! Kona gets super fat

    Built out of Kona Butted 6061 Aluminum, with a 170mm rear axle, 100mm BB, 31.6 dropper post compatibility, a host of bottle and rack mounts, as well as low standover, the Wo is built to balance weight, performance and price. At long last, the Kona Ride comes to hard-packed snow, sand dunes, swamp or whatever other fat-wheel-loving surface you may ride. Suggested retail: 1499."


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    Here's all the details on specs and some actual pics- Kona WO ? Fat-Bike | FAT-BIKE.COM

    I'm not impressed at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Here's all the details on specs and some actual pics- Kona WO ? Fat-Bike | FAT-BIKE.COM

    I'm not impressed at all.
    Yeah, priced the same as the basic Pugs & Muk 3, but with some downright disposable parts. Tektro brakes, Joytech hubs...

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    And those handlebars...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw2jr View Post
    And those handlebars...
    Spoken like someone with good wrists & elbows...

    Interesting looking bike. I cant say I really care for it that much, but it's interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailMaker View Post
    Spoken like someone with good wrists & elbows...

    Interesting looking bike. I cant say I really care for it that much, but it's interesting.
    So they are marketing this fat bike to people with bad wrists & elbows?

    Even if I had bad wrists & elbows I wouldn't design the bike this way. I'm not building it to sell it to myself, I'm trying to sell it to the masses. I just think they should have spec'd it with a 9 or 11 flat bar.
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    So ugly.


    Kona dropped the ball on this one.
    Rudy Projects look ridiculous

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    I think I read that this is not the production model, could be many changes when it hits production including colour.
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    Kona Fat Bike

    What are these jetset rims they speak of? I've never heard of them. I agree that the build is a little cheapo, which is fine, but I would have really liked to see them hit a price point closer to 1300, and offer a better build kit for a heftier price. I'm not in to downgrading, so I wouldn't be buying one anyway, but for the masses, I think the $1,300-$1,500 price point would really sell.

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    I like the Jones'esque look of the frame side on, but those welds where the chainstays join the top tube spoil it a little. No sliders is a mark against too. With fat bikes being so heavy, you'd think that more people would "simplify" the drivetrain to save some weight. Especially those who don't ride a lot of sand or snow.
    I see hills.

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    Has nice standover height. I think I prefer the looks of it over the Mukluk. I throw up in my mouth a little everytime I see the headtube on one of those.
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    Maybe this is just a test to see what we say, Kona is taking note and will now delay the release 1 full year so they can start over.

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    Guess I should say the larger frames like this one.
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    Looks to be the same front end (in concept at least) as my Ute.
    VERY easy to get on and over, and the bike as a whole feels REALLY quick handling due to really low C of G.
    Short looking stays too.
    If steel is real then aluminium is supercallafragiliniun!

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    I have a Ute and that was my reaction too.

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    Just because I'm a Photoshop junkie... I decided to see what it would look like with different handlebars. I took some from a side photo of a Pugsley. I think this helps A LOT. Something about those stupid sweep handlebars doesn't sit well with me.

    It's starting to grow on me. Definitely would build though if they sell as frame only.

    Click here for a much larger view:

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    I have been anxiously awaiting the release of the Wo. I want a fat bike for this winter, and I current love my Kona Dawg . . . so I was hoping to add another Kona to my stable. I don't know much about components, but I'm not fussy on the overall look of it.

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    I saw a couple of the Kona fatbikes today. The bracing between the seat tube and top tube was much more substantial than what I saw on previous photos. Instead of a tube it was a piece of curved metal fully welded along the top tube and seat tube. I really should have taken a picture.

    Found one a user submitted on their FB page: https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...26420440_n.jpg

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    My shop (Montrose Bike Shop) in So Cal ordered a few of these and sold two already. So far so good. We have installed Avid Elixir 9 trail brakes on all of them.....huge improvement. We have a 19 inch WO available for demo if you want to ride one before you buy. We're going to do the Mojave Road on these in the Spring.

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    So the swoopy top tube version that is still on Kona's website is not the one they are selling, correct? Too bad- I liked that one. It was unique. Looks like Bikeman has frame-only for $675. Verdugo, did you get a weight on the bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    So the swoopy top tube version that is still on Kona's website is not the one they are selling, correct? Too bad- I liked that one. It was unique. Looks like Bikeman has frame-only for $675. Verdugo, did you get a weight on the bike?
    Maybe it depends on the frame size?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gecho View Post
    I saw a couple of the Kona fatbikes today. The bracing between the seat tube and top tube was much more substantial than what I saw on previous photos. Instead of a tube it was a piece of curved metal fully welded along the top tube and seat tube. I really should have taken a picture.

    Found one a user submitted on their FB page: https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...26420440_n.jpg
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    Heres a few pics of one that was at my LBS last week:

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    Nice to see Kona get their bikes on the showroom floor early in the season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Nice to see Kona get their bikes on the showroom floor early in the season.
    Nice to see anything get real. Interbike seems like a vaporware orgy at times....

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    Great looking bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by emp? View Post
    built a large at work last week, 17kg on the dot with a park tools scale
    For the metrically impaired like myself that's 37.5 lbs. That's no weight weenie.

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    Ooofta... that's a heavy one. Those handlebars would drive me nuts. Frame looks much better than the first version though.



    Decent video here:

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    There was a 17" Wo at my LBS last night, so I got to throw a leg over it. It felt really small, especially with those goofy handlebars. I don't mind the sweep they have, but they seem super narrow. I like the satin black and grey frame color, but the parts spec is meh. If you could get the frame for a decent price and build one up, I think it would be cool- I just wish they had stuck with the original twin top tube design. I was told they were sold out of the first round of complete bikes already.

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    Surely it would be better with wider handlebars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emp? View Post
    built a large at work last week, 17kg on the dot with a park tools scale
    A large frame (19") weighs 5 lbs 10oz (abt 2.5kg) with 4 of its MANY bosses* filled with steel M5 bolts.

    The uncut fork weighs 2 lbs 3 oz (abt 990g) with 6 of those same steel bolts in the bosses.

    *I'm going to have to learn what they all are for. Some are for the anything cage I think. Maybe the other two for some sort of fender mount.

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    definitely "anything cage" mounts, and the front facing bosses on the fork are for heavy-duty front racks.
    So fully loaded? It looks like it could take front and rear OMMs, a pair of anything cages, and then normal bottles and maybe a framebag possible? That's a lotta gear!!
    I think Kona's aiming at the fat-expedition market!
    While it looks like Norco's shooting for the fatty funbike market.
    Interesting... my lbs stocks both brands, can't wait to take a peek side by side.
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    popped up at one of the shops near me.
    apparently 1800$ CAD. (but that's downtown toronto price... )
    definitely "anything" mounts on the fork.
    chanstays look shortish, but definitely looks like an expedition bike.
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    I rode one at the bike shop today. Strange bars, but still felt cool.

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    This looks a nice alternative

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    From the Iceman Expo, my friend Kevin had his Kona on display:



    I like the Matt-Black paint with the silver details, nice.

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    Hey Steve do you have anymore pics or info on Kevin's wo build?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Balogh View Post
    From the Iceman Expo, my friend Kevin had his Kona on display

    I like the Matt-Black paint with the silver details, nice.
    Awesome... I wasn't a big fan when they first released the concept pre-production pics, but the final design is nice... and this build right here looks top notch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by giantone View Post
    Hey Steve do you have anymore pics or info on Kevin's wo build?
    Just this i-Phone pic:

    Sorry, seen so many new Fatbikes there I forgot what hubs he used. Those are polished Surly rims. You can try this for a closer look:
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    Quote Originally Posted by superstar1 View Post
    This looks a nice alternative

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    1500 GBP is over 2500 CAD.
    700$ difference? that's a whole different class!
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    kevins bike looks ace!

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    LBS in Fort McMurray has them for $1800 I believe he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byknuts View Post
    1500 GBP is over 2500 CAD.
    700$ difference? that's a whole different class!
    It's a pretty good spec and great for us in good old Blighty dear boy

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    So, I've read the ride review of the Wo over at Riding Against the Grain, but I wonder if anyone else has any ride reports - didn't really see much using search. I rented one for my kids this past weekend and they loved it. As such I'm thinking of getting one for them to share. One of them I think could end up being a bit of a serious rider, but the other two not so much.

    Anyway, I'm trying to debate between the Wo and the Trek. I want to try to balance cost with trail rideability in the non-snowy seasons as well as capability on snow.

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    Find a trek to test ride and if they like it more, get that one, less... get the Kona. Trek is going to cost more though. Both will be just as capable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Balogh View Post
    Just this i-Phone pic:

    Sorry, seen so many new Fatbikes there I forgot what hubs he used. Those are polished Surly rims. You can try this for a closer look:
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    I took a quick spin on Kevin's bike and was pretty impressed with the feel- the frame felt more compliant than my Mukluk. The build is pretty standard aftermarket stuff (RaceFace, Hope...) and I think it weighed in around 31 pounds.

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    I've put 65 miles on the Wo and am loving it. I have done some upgrades and will continue, but the frame handles fantastic. Feels like a mountain bike and seems lighter that the scale. I'm actually setting PR's with the Wo over the Yeti 575 and that on single track both tight and flowy and rocky and rooty.
    The bars had to go. I've got 27" Carbon Monkey Lites on.
    Surly Nates front and rear and Ergon grips, but getting ready (today) to switch the shifting to SRAM 9 grip shifters.
    Blue duct tape for the rims and blue anodized bolts for bling to match the Salsa seat clamp.
    Did a 20 mile ride the other day (the longest so far) and it didn't seem like that many miles. Maybe its the fun factor.
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    BTW--the Nates are awesome tires! Can't wait for snow.
    I'm afraid of heights so a 26'r fits me to a T.

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    Here are some pics of my Kona Wo 21inch build:

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    Info about my build:
    Avid bb5 brakes,
    stock wheels (stock = from the Kona build kit),
    ESI silicone grips,
    Sram 9 speed shimano compatible grip shifter,
    Deore rear derailleur,
    45nrth Dillinger front tire,
    raceface (not narrow wide) 32T single ring in front,
    random 29 inch flat bar from the shop.

    Weighs roughly 35lbs (weighed it with the flat pedals that came with, probably closer to 33.5 with eggbeater 3s on it).

    Should be down to 30lbs with tubeless later this year.

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    I see you are running it as a 1X. Is that the solution to the front derailleur cabling location? Or was that a personal preference?

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    Very nice build. Its good to see more Wo's in the mix. So far, I'm the only one in the group I hang with.
    The new SRAM XO twisters went on yesterday to work the SRAM 9 rear D. These things are smooth. THe old Altek super lite brake levers seemed like a good idea, too. I always loved these levers.
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    I've been demoing a WO in the mountains this week - got 4 good long rides on it - mainly on snow - nordic trails or snowmobile trails).

    It feels a bit like the front end wants to wander when on pavement/dirt, but on the snow, it's better. Overall, it's a fun ride, but with a loaner bike, I keep thinking of the things I'd change (stem, bars, brakes, etc.)




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    How long is the stem? Maybe going for a longer stem....possibly even a smaller frame and longer stem would get more weight on the front wheel?
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    I have no trouble keeping the front tire down. Matter of fact, it is incredible balanced and stable. That would not be the case with the funny stock bars, though. I have the stock stem, but carbon risers turned away a bit made for about a half inch difference to stretch out the cockpit a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    How long is the stem? Maybe going for a longer stem....possibly even a smaller frame and longer stem would get more weight on the front wheel?
    Looks to be about 90 mm. I actually looked at the fork and wondered if it was installed backwards! Not a big deal, but if you weren't steering straight ahead, it felt like it wanted to flip to the left or right. Maybe air pressure? Maybe all fatbikes are like this? I thought the fork rake or something was way off, but not sure.

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    When I first road fat, I had the same experience. With low pressure on a firm surface, it wants to pull left or right on anything cambered.
    A wee more pressure and it goes away. All about dialing it in for any given conditions.

    Quote Originally Posted by schmed View Post
    Looks to be about 90 mm. I actually looked at the fork and wondered if it was installed backwards! Not a big deal, but if you weren't steering straight ahead, it felt like it wanted to flip to the left or right. Maybe air pressure? Maybe all fatbikes are like this? I thought the fork rake or something was way off, but not sure.
    I'm afraid of heights so a 26'r fits me to a T.

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    Does anyone have the headset/headtube measurements? Looking to order up the parts, but need to get the SHIS straight.

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    Kona... Yep.

    Not fat because they think skills are doing a big skid, not ready to buy fat bike tyres for them yet.

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    1x10 answer and front flop tire psi

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave in Ozark View Post
    I see you are running it as a 1X. Is that the solution to the front derailleur cabling location? Or was that a personal preference?
    I went with 1x10 because I hate derailuers! I would have made it 1x11 but that is for rich people, not those of us who work in bike shops. It would be a single speed except when I had a SS fat bike it was too hard to ride in deep snow. Some day i will have a SS fat bike again!!

    The front end flop is mostly from the low pressures. It handles well when at 10 psi or greater and gets worse as you lower it. If there is no snow or sand (regular riding) I run 11 psi, it has less drag and less chance of pinch flats. As the snow or terrain gets deeper I lower the pressure using a low pressures gauge. BTW I weigh 160
    My Pugsley seemed like I was fighting it the whole way no matter what pressures. The Kona rides almost like my 29er Kona.

    FYI I have been riding/racing fat bikes for 2 years now, all year round.and a year before that on a half fat 29er. I have been racing for over 18 years, and riding in the winter and snow for over 15. 29ers changed the game and made it OK to ride in worse conditions then 26".

    Fat bikes are a whole new game and have made it so I rarely have to call off a ride!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by giantone View Post
    Hey Steve do you have anymore pics or info on Kevin's wo build?
    My Wo fat build
    large marge lite polished silver, hope hubs black, double butted dt swiss spokes black Salsa skewers and seat clamp pewter
    45 north huskerdu, with surly tubes 26x4.0
    saint shifter, slx rear der., xt casette 12x36, race face turbine crank grey w/ wide narrow chain ring 34t black shimano 10 speed chain with kwik link
    deore hydrolic brakes w/ xt rotors
    thompson stem and seat post, atlas bars all silver, wtb rocket saddle, cane creek 40 headset black, ouri lock on grips grey w/ pewter locks.

    Future parts to make it cooler and lighten it up when i can afford it; chris king headset silver, carbon fork, carbon bars. SL tubes 26x2.75, dillinger, fat back, or on one tires and King stainlees cages...

    right now it is at 30 pounds

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Maybe it depends on the frame size?
    all the main frames are the same from 15 to 21, the difference is the length of top tube and seat tube support.

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    making the stock wo lighter..

    Quote Originally Posted by smithcreek View Post
    For the metrically impaired like myself that's 37.5 lbs. That's no weight weenie.
    By switching out the bars w/ cheap Salsa flats
    The tires with 45 north dillingers and the tubes with QBP sl 26x2.75
    we got it down to 34 lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Desert Walker View Post
    I am really sorry to say this, and I hope nobody gets offended, but I think Konas new fat bike fails. I cant believe it has VD (vertical dropouts.) and why the crapy brakes? That crankset looks so walmart, and why would you spec it with Veemissions, seriously? Joytech hubs? I like the shape of the frame and I like Kona but this bike fails so hard I dont even know. Damn.
    I dont like to be negative so the good thing here is that I'm sure Kona will train like rocky for their next fat bike since this one just failed so hard. I know you can do better than this Kona come on Man!!!!!!!
    The bike was suppose to be an entry level bike, a lower price point at 1699 and not wanting to use QBP/surley parts made it very hard!

    After seeing all of our frame up builds and stock conversions and our input the next Wo will be much better. Early inside info suggests the bike will be 2200 and have a lot of changes and/or improvements.

    I complained about the the lack of Singlespeed friendly DO's too but what they said was there were "not that many phsycos like me who were going to make it SS". And sliding drop outs are another 300 dollars added to the frame price since they only would use sliders like my unit and big unit.

    Since most people are so opinionated and always right they have frame sets so you can build it your own way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kona riding fool View Post
    By switching out the bars w/ cheap Salsa flats
    The tires with 45 north dillingers and the tubes with QBP sl 26x2.75
    we got it down to 34 lbs

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    I weighed mine at 35 lbs or so with flats before tubeless. The rear vee mission set up okay once I got it to pop on the bead. The front (Dillinger) has been a pain in the ass! I ended up throwing a tube in there. With my egg beaters I think my wo weighs 32 lbs 1 lb

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    Quote Originally Posted by kona riding fool View Post

    I complained about the the lack of Singlespeed friendly DO's too but what they said was there were "not that many phsycos like me who were going to make it SS". And sliding drop outs are another 300 dollars added to the frame price since they only would use sliders like my unit and big unit.

    Kevin
    One of my least favorite things about my former pugsley sat the SS dropouts. Keeping the chain line straight and the wheel aligned was a PITA, especially with the crappy XT QR skewers that were provided. Stupid, needless idea to keep the hipsters happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmed View Post
    I've been demoing a WO in the mountains this week - got 4 good long rides on it - mainly on snow - nordic trails or snowmobile trails).

    It feels a bit like the front end wants to wander when on pavement/dirt, but on the snow, it's better. Overall, it's a fun ride, but with a loaner bike, I keep thinking of the things I'd change (stem, bars, brakes, etc.)



    I've heard the Vee Rubber Mission doesn't steer very well, was that on the bike?
    Nice looking snomo trails, where is that?

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    Yes - Vee Rubber tires on it. The pics are from Crested Butte, CO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johanneson View Post
    I've heard the Vee Rubber Mission doesn't steer very well, was that on the bike?
    Hard to have this discussion without knowing rider weight and tire pressure. Me @250lbs & 10psi, Missions steered fine, not so much the HuDus.
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    My SS KONA WO :
    Size 19"
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    Nice. How are you dealing with sealing?

    Quote Originally Posted by boude View Post
    My SS KONA WO :
    Size 19"
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    I'm afraid of heights so a 26'r fits me to a T.

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    Wo. I mean whoa. 12 kg!

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    Re: Kona Fat Bike

    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    One of my least favorite things about my former pugsley sat the SS dropouts. Keeping the chain line straight and the wheel aligned was a PITA, especially with the crappy XT QR skewers that were provided. Stupid, needless idea to keep the hipsters happy.
    Surly Monkey Nuts solves that problem :thumbup:

    You're confusing me on the XT skewer comment too because most regard those as being up there for the strongest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boude View Post
    My SS KONA WO :
    Size 19"
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    Build specs please! =D

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    Frame and fork and headset = KONA WO
    Seatpost = THOMSON
    Hubs = HOPE 135 / 170mm
    Spokes = SAPIM CXRAY
    Rims = A-VELO
    Wheels weight = 1994grs
    Tires = VeeRubber Mission and Vee8 / TubelessReady
    Stem and bar = Alu REVERSE
    Seat = SANMARCO
    Grips = ESI
    Crank and BB = SRAM X9 and 30th MRP
    Brakes = AVID X0 trail 180 / 160mm

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    First ride on the WO yesterday.
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    Nice snow ride last night and a bunch of snow coming this weekend.
    First ride with the Lake 303's and the new Crank Brothers Mallet 3's.
    Sweetness on both counts.

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    Help---I can't find any spec info on the Jetset wheels that came on my Wo. It would be nice to know what I have when considering new wheels.
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    planning to upgrade to a 10 spd, will it work? rims and tires will be stock.. worried about chain rub on tires..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    One of my least favorite things about my former pugsley sat the SS dropouts. Keeping the chain line straight and the wheel aligned was a PITA, especially with the crappy XT QR skewers that were provided. Stupid, needless idea to keep the hipsters happy.
    Posable thumbs are recommended for rear wheel alignment.

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    Thought I would kick in with more Wo observations. Ended up getting one because I gave up believing Specialized after they kept lying about when the Fat Boy would be available in BC.

    I think it's awesome, but I have made some changes:

    straight handle bars (duh)
    kineshock dropper post
    4.8" Surly Bud for the front
    3.8" Surly Nate for the back
    Also have a set of BFLs for summer cruising (they do fit, just, on the back)
    Found some Avid 3 brakes on Blue Sky for $100 so did those, altho' the mechanicals are not bad
    And.... just invested in a Rockshox Bluto suspension fork for the front (100mm). You need the Salsa hub to make it work.
    Pimped it with red components and rim tape.

    I think it rides totally awesome. I love it. The big tire up front is key in snow (where I live we get 12 metres of snow a year). Anyone worrying about weight, forget it. 2 degrees changes in temperature, 2 cms more snow, 2 psi more or less in your tires - all of those things make such a huge difference to riding in snow that 1 or 2 lbs is the least important consideration....

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    Quote Originally Posted by skibumski View Post
    Thought I would kick in with more Wo observations. Ended up getting one because I gave up believing Specialized after they kept lying about when the Fat Boy would be available in BC.

    I think it's awesome, but I have made some changes:

    straight handle bars (duh)
    kineshock dropper post
    4.8" Surly Bud for the front
    3.8" Surly Nate for the back
    Also have a set of BFLs for summer cruising (they do fit, just, on the back)
    Found some Avid 3 brakes on Blue Sky for $100 so did those, altho' the mechanicals are not bad
    And.... just invested in a Rockshox Bluto suspension fork for the front (100mm). You need the Salsa hub to make it work.
    Pimped it with red components and rim tape.

    I think it rides totally awesome. I love it. The big tire up front is key in snow (where I live we get 12 metres of snow a year). Anyone worrying about weight, forget it. 2 degrees changes in temperature, 2 cms more snow, 2 psi more or less in your tires - all of those things make such a huge difference to riding in snow that 1 or 2 lbs is the least important consideration....
    I also upgraded my wo.. Flat bar, hydraulic brakes, red rim tape as well and rockshox reverb.. Just a quick question on your mods.. Are you using the stock rims on your 4.8 tires up front? Also i was made aware that bluto will not work since it has a tapered steerer.. Here' s a pic of my wo... Planning to do full xt drivetrain soon and carver carbon fiber fork.. But if you can tell me bluto will work, i'm definitely going that route as well..

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    Quote Originally Posted by av8or View Post
    I also upgraded my wo.. Flat bar, hydraulic brakes, red rim tape as well and rockshox reverb.. Just a quick question on your mods.. Are you using the stock rims on your 4.8 tires up front? Also i was made aware that bluto will not work since it has a tapered steerer.. Here' s a pic of my wo... Planning to do full xt drivetrain soon and carver carbon fiber fork.. But if you can tell me bluto will work, i'm definitely going that route as well..

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    Hey, nice set up.

    Yes - am running the 4.8" up front on the stock rims. Unbelievable in snow, great grip and great float. I did also try it on the back but it's just a little too wide, hence the Nate.

    On the Bluto, yes I can confirm it fits. The steer tube on the Wo is 1.5" straight and the Bluto is tapered with 1.5" at the bottom and 1.125" at the top so... you need a cup adapter for the bottom - this is the one I got:-

    Universal Cycles -- Cane Creek 40 EC44/40 1.5" Lower Assembly

    Any concerns just email Universal - they sell both the Bluto and the Wo, so they can guide you.

    I love the Bluto for rainy day / fall riding when the big tires mean you don't slip and you don't trash the trail, but the sus fork takes all the chatter out of the roots and rocks.

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    Sweet.. Do you have a pic with the bluto installed?

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