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    Schwalbe is coming out with a new super light fat tire--the Jumbo Jim. It's 990 grams for 4.0 inches and 1290 grams for the heavier 4.8 inch casing (I think there might even be a light casing version of the 4.8, but the pinkbike article was unclear). I wonder if the tread will work on snow--the tread is pretty minimal compared to Bud, Lou, or even a Husker Du. Any thoughts...?
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    My first impression is that the lugs are spread pretty far apart. My second impression....I want to try it!!

    Mr. Schwalbe, I love your 29er tires...please send me a fat tire to try.

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    Jumbo Jim

    Specs are now up on Schwalbe.com: http://www.schwalbe.com/en/offroad-r...jumbo-jim.html.

    There's also a new fat tube (at least I don't recall seeing it before), the 13J, which weighs 390 g.




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    Yeh...

    Looks like a good summer tire. It certainly is light, but I wonder how tough it will be? Those two tend to be mutually exclusive. Ahh... doesn't matter anyway. Following their normal pricing, these will probably be $300. I don't see spending more for tires than I did for the wheels!
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    wie viel kostet es?

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    By those numbers their heaviest 4.8 is as light as most other manufacturers lightest 4.0. That's a huge difference.

    Which is it?
    a. they will hold up like tissue paper
    b. they did some serious R&D and have far superior materials/methods
    c. everyone else along the way has been winging it

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    The big Big Jim would make a nice light sand tire. I'm excited for these, Schwalbe knows what they are doing but they won't be for everyone that's for sure.

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    love the weight but would be skerred to run them where i ride. look forward to hearing more about these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    wie viel kostet es?
    From BikeRumor Eurobike report: "Retail price is set for 79.90 to 99.90 euros."
    So $105 to $132. Cheap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    From BikeRumor Eurobike report: "Retail price is set for 79.90 to 99.90 euros."
    So $105 to $132. Cheap!
    Not cheap at all cuz now I will have to build me a uber light summer wheelset to go with em. All said and done these will cost me over 1200 clams

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    From BikeRumor Eurobike report: "Retail price is set for 79.90 to 99.90 euros."
    So $105 to $132. Cheap!
    sweet!

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    Doesn't matter if they suck, because they are light people won't be able to help themselves from buying them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Doesn't matter if they suck, because they are light people won't be able to help themselves from buying them.
    I have never been on a Schwalbe that sucked as long as I was using them for the conditions they where meant for, there might have been better but.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Doesn't matter if they suck, because they are light people won't be able to help themselves from buying them.
    Yes, I call these people guinea pigs. I've never ridden any Schwalbe tires, but they seem to have loyal followers, as well as a buncha people who gripe that they're expensive. All speculation for now. The proof is in the pudding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Yes, I call these people guinea pigs. I've never ridden any Schwalbe tires, but they seem to have loyal followers, as well as a buncha people who gripe that they're expensive. All speculation for now. The proof is in the pudding.
    I run nothing but Shwalbe's on my 29er. They are expensive and worth every penny! I run Evo, Snakeskin Knoby Nicks. Where I ride it's nothing but rocks and sticks. I run tubeless with Stan's rims and sealant. I have never had any issue with punctures or sidewall tears. When they make a more aggressive tread than the Jumbo Jim I will buy a whole bunch of them for our fatties!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    I run nothing but Shwalbe's on my 29er. They are expensive and worth every penny! ...
    They are my first choice for any tyre, so I'm happy to see a fat tyre from them.
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    Does anyone have any info on availability?

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    Judging by the pics, would you say this tire would offer lower rolling resistance then the Ground Controls on hardpack? Sorry if it is a dumb question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tincup69 View Post
    Judging by the pics, would you say this tire would offer lower rolling resistance then the Ground Controls on hardpack? Sorry if it is a dumb question.
    My guess is probably yes. I think the gc rolls pretty well though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tincup69 View Post
    Judging by the pics, would you say this tire would offer lower rolling resistance then the Ground Controls on hardpack? Sorry if it is a dumb question.
    Yes.
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    Um, ya think?

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    This review says the 4.8 Jumbo Jim measured 4.4" on a 100mm rim. Lame.

    http://www.bikerumor.com/2015/01/01/...at-bike-tires/

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    I'm a big fan of Schwalbe tires on my mtb bike...but I'm not sure that tread is going to be much use in the snow. As I don't ride my fatty in the summer much, I'll pass on it until I hear otherwise.
    Just get out ride it & have fun!

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    One of my distributors said mid month. Got my name on a pair. I'll let you know.

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    These are shaping up to be more of a fast, high-speed tire, and not a slow, high-grip tire. You can't have it all...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cycloxer13 View Post
    These are shaping up to be more of a fast, high-speed tire, and not a slow, high-grip tire. You can't have it all...
    Low pressures and proper riding technique trump tread any day on most surfaces we ride on most of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cycloxer13 View Post
    These are shaping up to be more of a fast, high-speed tire, and not a slow, high-grip tire. You can't have it all...
    I thought that was clear from the start.

    Not sure why they reviewed them in snow then complained they don't grip. ???

    But not being true to size is a disappointment.

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    People are F stupid. I still think it is a decent tire. You can take one look at the tread and tell where it is going to shine. Set these up tubeless and run them at low pressure and I bet they rip on singletrack.

    Also, 4.4" is about right for the actual measurement of a 4.8. My Ground Controls measure in at 4.3" actual setup tubeless (they get a little bigger) and that is only a 4.6.
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    Well my knard 3.8 measure 4.9 on 65's. You need a pair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newmarketrog View Post
    Low pressures and proper riding technique trump tread any day on most surfaces we ride on most of the time.

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    This is so true, but an Endo in the front on an off camber downhill sweeper sure did require more technique than I could always deliver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newmarketrog View Post
    Well my knard 3.8 measure 4.9 on 65's. You need a pair.

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    such an old, heavy tire Rog, I'm holdin out for the Kenda's ;^)
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    Quote Originally Posted by cycloxer13 View Post
    such an old, heavy tire Rog, I'm holdin out for the Kenda's ;^)
    Me too

    Just getting the jj to tide me over til the kenda pro 4.0 gets here in August

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    Oh for sure I'd have ridden a 4.8 JJ today (no snow yet here in central MA). It would have been a fine choice. GC has more tread and is pretty good for all-around use, a great stock tire, but heavy too, mine are like 1,520 actual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cycloxer13 View Post
    Also, 4.4" is about right for the actual measurement of a 4.8. My Ground Controls measure in at 4.3" actual setup tubeless (they get a little bigger) and that is only a 4.6.
    I vaguely recall an early review saying the JJ was true to size which I thought was awesome. A light, big tire for wide rims in summer. If it's smaller than my GC's I'm not interested.

    EDIT: I just remeasure my GC's and I was wrong. They're NOT 4.5" on 90mm rims.
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    My GC's measure 4.3 casing, 4.4 knob - measured with calipers. This is right on par with how comparable 45Nrth tires measure. See here:

    https://45nrth.com/files/chronicles/...etry_hires.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by cycloxer13 View Post
    My GC's measure 4.3 casing, 4.4 knob - measured with calipers.
    Huh. On which rims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cycloxer13 View Post
    Oh for sure I'd have ridden a 4.8 JJ today (no snow yet here in central MA). It would have been a fine choice. GC has more tread and is pretty good for all-around use, a great stock tire, but heavy too, mine are like 1,520 actual.
    Ya I picked up a GC at a friends shop. Fvckin boat anchor. If spesh offered a gc in a 3.8 120 tpi at around 1000 grams It'd be on like donkey kong. Game over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newmarketrog View Post
    If spesh offered a gc in a 3.8 120 tpi at around 1000 grams It'd be on like donkey kong. Game over.
    ...a few things in the works, FB world is changing quick
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    Quote Originally Posted by cycloxer13 View Post
    ...a few things in the works, FB world is changing quick
    Bring it

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    I have had great results running Schwalbe Rocket Rons in the snow for past 3-4 years. Got a fatbike a couple of months ago.

    Thread on Jumbo Jims looks like what Rocket Ron has. I'll try a pair for sure.

    On a side note, bikeradar says they have run the Jumbo Jim at 10psi for testing. A bit high no.... ? They did mention in the comment section to play with pressures for riding, but who knows.

    These are also cheap compared to other options out there.

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    I want to try a set for the summer not sure four or 4.8
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    I want to try a set for the summer not sure four or 4.8
    I ordered the 4" for the summer, we will see.

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    I think the 4.0 and the Kenda Juggernaut 4.0 are both lookin really nice for singletrack tires. They are both on my short list.
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    Did some more high altitude testing of the Jumbo Jim Liteskin 4.8s over the weekend. My pressure gauge starts at 3.0, so I have to estimate pressure, but it should be well below 2psi in this clip.
    As can be seen from the video, it was a rather powdery section of ''trail'':


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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Did some more high altitude testing of the Jumbo Jim Liteskin 4.8s over the weekend. My pressure gauge starts at 3.0, so I have to estimate pressure, but it should be well below 2psi in this clip.
    As can be seen from the video, it was a rather powdery section of ''trail'':

    WOW!

    Very cool video. I only wish we had that snow up at Big Sky Mt..

    Once again thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Did some more high altitude testing of the Jumbo Jim Liteskin 4.8s over the weekend. My pressure gauge starts at 3.0, so I have to estimate pressure, but it should be well below 2psi in this clip.
    As can be seen from the video, it was a rather powdery section of ''trail'':

    That was awesome. You ARE the man!

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    I've used that seesaw technique myself to try and keep moving forward when I suddenly encounter the soft stuff.

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    None of that would help me... Only 10" wide tires would get me on top of snow that soft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Did some more high altitude testing of the Jumbo Jim Liteskin 4.8s over the weekend. My pressure gauge starts at 3.0, so I have to estimate pressure, but it should be well below 2psi in this clip.
    As can be seen from the video, it was a rather powdery section of ''trail'':

    What rims are those?


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    Quote Originally Posted by racefit View Post
    What rims are those?
    Our own C4 103mm rims.
    Essentially a 103mm version of the 80mm rim that Borealis/Turnagain sells.
    I run them tubeless without any latex solution.

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    That is an awesome video! I am really wanting 100mm rims and some wide tires now.

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    Does anyone have these tires in stock yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    Does anyone have these tires in stock yet?
    I posted this awhile back. I emailed Schwalbe directly and was told "early spring" for the US. If you're really itchy, there's a pair up on eBay right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Our own C4 103mm rims.
    Essentially a 103mm version of the 80mm rim that Borealis/Turnagain sells.
    I run them tubeless without any latex solution.
    And when are these going to be available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean salach View Post
    And when are these going to be available?
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    I'm waiting on some from Bike24 in Germany...still saying unknown delivery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tunalic View Post
    I'm waiting on some from Bike24 in Germany...still saying unknown delivery.
    Me too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Our own C4 103mm rims.
    Essentially a 103mm version of the 80mm rim that Borealis/Turnagain sells.
    I run them tubeless without any latex solution.
    Thanks for letting us know it was tubeless. That's impressive to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    None of that would help me... Only 10" wide tires would get me on top of snow that soft.
    I don't think that is totally true. Espen correct me if I'm wrong but it looks to me like the "powder" is only few inches deep over a marginal crust. The trick looks like it was staying on top of the crust. Not to say that in itself is not impressive but it is different than staying on top of thigh deep powder. I would not want to ride very far in that snow combination regardless of tires and rims. I would just end up collapsed on the side of the trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
    I don't think that is totally true. Espen correct me if I'm wrong but it looks to me like the "powder" is only few inches deep over a marginal crust. The trick looks like it was staying on top of the crust. Not to say that in itself is not impressive but it is different than staying on top of thigh deep powder. I would not want to ride very far in that snow combination regardless of tires and rims. I would just end up collapsed on the side of the trail.
    It is approx. 30cm (1ft) of dry powder on top of a marginal layer of crust covering another 2+ft of powdery snow.
    Skinnier tires or more tire pressure would have seen me break through that crust, as evidenced by my rather clumsy attempts at walking there (I'm around 145lbs).

    It is very hard to judge snow depth and conditions from a video, so if I had just shown the section where I'm on the bike, folks could assume that it was rock hard below. That is why it is crucial to have a reference, like someone trying to walk. Next time I'll have someone trying to walk there as I ''zoom'' by on the bike.

    Here is another one from the same place:



    I think the Schwalbes work so well in conditions like this since they combine huge volume (265mm bead to bead) vs. approx 260mm for Bud/Lou with rather low (3.5mm) center and transition knobs. While a tire with taller knobs have more traction in powder, the tall knobs will cause the tire to cut into and mash the surface, especially on semi hard surfaces. They sort of create their own powder.

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    Mine 4.8" SnakeSkin Version arrived today. Will mount them on 90mm Carbon-Rims from Ican.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duci View Post
    Mine 4.8" SnakeSkin Version arrived today. Will mount them on 90mm Carbon-Rims from Ican.
    Can you weigh it before you mount? Would be great to have some weight references.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slabber View Post
    Can you weigh it before you mount? Would be great to have some weight references.
    Yes sure. I've got the heavier version (SnakeSkin) - should weigh around 1280gr

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    Most importantly, where did you get the tires from if you don't mind sharing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by krzysiekmz View Post
    Most importantly, where did you get the tires from if you don't mind sharing?

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    Unfortunately I had to promise not to tell where I got the tires from. But some Fatbike manufactureres already got these tires. Just the aftermarket will be delivered later (according to Schwalbe early march in Europe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by slabber View Post
    Can you weigh it before you mount? Would be great to have some weight references.
    Strange - 1280gr and 1375gr - maybe they are from pre-production?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duci View Post
    Strange - 1280gr and 1375gr - maybe they are from pre-production?!
    Almost 100g variance between the two... interesting, but not that unexpected? Doesn't take too much to add a few grams on tires of this size... Certainly appreciate you taking the time to weigh them, good to know, thanks.

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    Jumbo Jim's look to have arrived in the UK.

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sidew...72904326112367

    Funny because I leave for the UK in 2 days and will be out there for 3 weeks. Unfortunately, Sideways cycles will be 4 hours away from where I'm staying...

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    ^^^ but if you are in the same place for 3 weeks then I am sure Tim would send you some to your lodgings, no problem!

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    4.8 Jimmys at something like sub 1psi tubeless.
    Takes flotation to another realm. Utterly sick. See my previous powder vid, for example.
    (And I (167lb including the fatbike) can still ride on a plowed road without riding the sidewalls of the rim. Not that I would want to for long, though..)

    Feels like the wheels have been replaced by belts. Unstoppable traction.


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    ^^^ but if you are in the same place for 3 weeks then I am sure Tim would send you some to your lodgings, no problem!
    Very true, we'll see. I will be in Weymouth so very close to Charlie the Bike Monger so I might stop in and see what he may have on hand. Been trying to contact him through email for 3 weeks to see if I can get a fatbike for a few days while I'm out but i can't seem to get a response...

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    Bike24 says Schwalbe is currently saying they will not be delivered until the middle of March.
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    More fun at what must be sub 1 psi.
    Deep snow (sank in to my hip in some places when testing on foot).

    To get an idea about what that tire pressure looks like, see the pinch test:


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    Espen, How do your sidewalls hold up at those pressures. Back in the day with 120tpi Endo's and more recently with Escalators if I run low enough pressure that I get significant sidewall wrinkles when riding then my side walls start to break down. On the Escalators running tubless I now have a constant slow sealant weep at several spots along the side walls. I have been running higher pressures just to preserve tire life. The tires still have all their nubbies from the molding process but the side walls have noticable breakdown a,oong the casing tnread lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
    Espen, How do your sidewalls hold up at those pressures.
    They are still in one piece, which is pretty impressive after so many miles at sub 2psi.
    It is probably due to the thin and supple Liteskin casing.
    As mentioned, I run these tubeless without any latex solution, and I have found that the rear wheel now loses pressure faster than before. The front is still perfectly fine without any Stan's. My guess is that the extreme, sustained wrinkling of the rear tire has opened up some micro pores in the rubber coating, but I'm condfident that a minimal amount (less than 2oz) of Stan's will seal it to perfection.

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    If the Jumbo Jims do not start arriving soon I will be ordering Hbillies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    If the Jumbo Jims do not start arriving soon I will be ordering Hbillies.
    I'm still holding out with an existing order for the Jumbo Jims, as I'm looking for lightweight volume. I don't think the H-Billie is on same level. I've been riding Snowshoes for two seasons and would stay away from that basic tread pattern personally. Not enough cornering knobs. I recently purchased a Vee Bulldozer which is better but would still prefer a more aggressive full volume front tire without the weight of the Bud - hoping to see the Juggernaut 4.5 soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    If the Jumbo Jims do not start arriving soon I will be ordering Hbillies.
    I like mine a lot. I had planned to get JJ's when they come out but the H Billies have been great. I'll be putting a Vanhelga up front now that we're into deeper snow season but for light snow & dirt the H Billies are excellent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffw-13 View Post
    I like mine a lot. I had planned to get JJ's when they come out but the H Billies have been great. I'll be putting a Vanhelga up front now that we're into deeper snow season but for light snow & dirt the H Billies are excellent.
    What size rim are you running? I have 65mm wondering about rim protection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    What size rim are you running? I have 65mm wondering about rim protection.
    i'm running one as well, on marge lites. I've gone as low as 3-4 psi in the snow without issue, zero self steer. I'll run it between 12-14 psi in the dirt, generally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    What size rim are you running? I have 65mm wondering about rim protection.
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    Well, I've pulled the trigger while visiting the UK and purchased a pair from Sideways Cycles. Can't wait to get them home and mounted on the Fatty in a couple weeks time.

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    Nice ! Which ones ?

    Keen to hear about the 4.8" liteskins... I need a high volume lightweight tyre for this years desert race and Buds are not going to pass the weigh in.
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    Do the liteskins have a different bead. Neither size are TL


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    I ordered the 4.8 Liteskins as that is all they had.

    All the Jumbo Jims are EVO tires so they are TL ready. The shop I ordered them from has set up multiple sets Tubeless with ease. I'm not back home in the states for a couple weeks yet so I won't have any reports soon.

    It will be interesting because these should actually be lighter than my Mammoths and I'm not planning on using any sealant at first as I have Mulefut rims that are TL ready as well. Plus, I am going to ditch the Gorilla tape and try something like the Tyvek tap to seal the spoke holes. I should end up with measurablely less rotating mass.

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    That's what I had figured, but Schwalbe kinda sounds like the beads are different and TL is easier tubeless. Thanks


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    That's what I had figured, but Schwalbe kinda sounds like the beads are different and TL is easier tubeless. Thanks


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    It is a little confusing and they are different, but I don't know the specific details.

    Snakeskin tire is "TL Easy"
    Liteskins is just "TL Ready"
    I have no idea what makes the TL Easy, easier but every schwalbe tire I've used that is TL ready has been a cinch to set up. Of course, it also depends on the rim...

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    Does the liteskin casing feel thin ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebnash View Post
    Well, I've pulled the trigger while visiting the UK and purchased a pair from Sideways Cycles. Can't wait to get them home and mounted on the Fatty in a couple weeks time.
    Great to hear that Tim sorted you out!

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    Does the liteskin casing feel thin ?
    I will let you know when they show up at my Hotel. I can put a caliper on it and get an actual value if you like.

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    Great to hear that Tim sorted you out!

    Yes, he was extremely easy to deal with and quick to respond via email. I would definitely buy from him again when out here. Too bad I am so far away as I would like to visit his shop.

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    I am thinking group buy via ebnash?
    I heard there is a bunch of to be had in Amsterdam, if everyone would kick in a few bucks to get me there I promise I would bring/ship a bunch back

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    I heard there is a bunch of to be had in Amsterdam, if everyone would kick in a few bucks to get me there I promise I would bring/ship a bunch back
    You would come back 15lbs heavier, and most certainly test positive for most every drug known to man. Sans tires.

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    I am thinking group buy via ebnash?
    Not sure how that would work... He would need to ship them to the states and I have no idea how much that would be. To be honest, I may have paid more because of VAT since he sold them to me while in the UK. I would be happy to put any of you in touch with Sideways cycles and I think if enough of you got together, maybe their would be a break in pricing. You would need to request he remove VAT and get a shipping quote.

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    Just picked up a pair of liteskin 4.0's from my LBS. Got lucky. They're shipping OE on Felts and the guy that bought one wanted studded tires for the ice festival that Anchorage has been this winter. I got the JJ's off his bike. Getting mounted up tubeless on some 65mm Nexties as we speak. Pix as soon as I get it back from the shop. I know, I know....pics or it didn't happen!


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    Quote Originally Posted by anortherncrazy View Post
    Just picked up a pair of liteskin 4.0's from my LBS. Got lucky. They're shipping OE on Felts and the guy that bought one wanted studded tires for the ice festival that Anchorage has been this winter. I got the JJ's off his bike. Getting mounted up tubeless on some 65mm Nexties as we speak. Pix as soon as I get it back from the shop. I know, I know....pics or it didn't happen!


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    Quote Originally Posted by anortherncrazy View Post
    Just picked up a pair of liteskin 4.0's from my LBS. Got lucky. They're shipping OE on Felts and the guy that bought one wanted studded tires for the ice festival that Anchorage has been this winter. I got the JJ's off his bike. Getting mounted up tubeless on some 65mm Nexties as we speak. Pix as soon as I get it back from the shop. I know, I know....pics or it didn't happen!


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    pics or it didn't happen!
    Pics *on a scale* or it didn't happen

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    Looks like they are available here in Japan for about $150US each for the 4.8's. Stated weights:
    26x4.00:1090 g
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    Rakuten has an English site and international shipping, but I couldn't find the tires on their global site.
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    Received the Jumbo Jim 26X4.8 Liteskin in the mail yesterday. They seem pretty light in weight, but the sidewalls are pretty standard thickness, feel just like my Hand Dampf and I have beat the shit out of those with never a burp or sidewall tear. Not what I would call a minimalistic tire by any means so I'm not sure the extra weight of the Snakeskin is even necessary. Only riding for them a bit will tell the truth. Will be at least 2 weeks before I am home, over the jet lag and have them mounted up to test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebnash View Post
    Received the Jumbo Jim 26X4.8 Liteskin in the mail yesterday. They seem pretty light in weight, but the sidewalls are pretty standard thickness, feel just like my Hand Dampf and I have beat the shit out of those with never a burp or sidewall tear. Not what I would call a minimalistic tire by any means so I'm not sure the extra weight of the Snakeskin is even necessary. Only riding for them a bit will tell the truth. Will be at least 2 weeks before I am home, over the jet lag and have them mounted up to test.
    Where did you get them from?
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    Where did you get them from?
    I posted earlier in this thread about that. I am visiting the UK for work for 3 weeks and saw a place over here Sideways Cycles got a shipment of them so I emailed him and had them shipped to my Hotel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebnash View Post
    I posted earlier in this thread about that. I am visiting the UK for work for 3 weeks and saw a place over here Sideways Cycles got a shipment of them so I emailed him and had them shipped to my Hotel.
    I remember now. Just checked $160 Canadian each.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anortherncrazy View Post
    Just picked up a pair of liteskin 4.0's from my LBS. Got lucky. They're shipping OE....
    Nice Crazy ! Interesting to hear if the OEM tyres are the same as the "soon to be" production tyres.

    I know a lot of the time that Schwalbe tyres that come OEM on full builds eg Giants, Merida ect are slightly different in rubber and weight than the single bought production tyres.

    You would surely think that with the small volume of fat tyres and OEM full builds, that they would be the same, not as if its worth making them cheaper as its nowhere near the scale of the big brand full builds.

    Let us know of the weigh in ? Your answer will rest the minds of those picking up OE tyres.

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    Liteskin 4.0's set up tubeless on 65mm Nexties. Crazy lite. No specifics on tire weight. Only know that the bike is sub 25 pounds. Just picked it up 30 minutes ago..


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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    I remember now. Just checked $160 Canadian each.
    Liteskin 4.8s for $123 Canadian at Chain Reaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anortherncrazy View Post


    Liteskin 4.0's set up tubeless on 65mm Nexties. Crazy lite. No specifics on tire weight. Only know that the bike is sub 25 pounds. Just picked it up 30 minutes ago..


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    They look fat for a 4" tyre... on 65's too.
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    likin the looks of the side knobs. the important ones. for all conditions.

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    Ok... just ordered a set of the 4.8" liteskins, need the volume for this years Desert race. Hope the casing is good... cant be any worse than the non-tech floppy rubber bag tyres we are all riding at the moment.

    At 54 each (78$au) they are similar priced to Racing Ralphs for my MTBs. Would never have guessed that with a Schwalbe fat tyre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebnash View Post
    Received the Jumbo Jim 26X4.8 Liteskin in the mail yesterday. They seem pretty light in weight, but the sidewalls are pretty standard thickness, feel just like my Hand Dampf and I have beat the shit out of those with never a burp or sidewall tear. Not what I would call a minimalistic tire by any means so I'm not sure the extra weight of the Snakeskin is even necessary. Only riding for them a bit will tell the truth. Will be at least 2 weeks before I am home, over the jet lag and have them mounted up to test.
    Hans Dampf don't come in Liteskin either if I'm not mistaken - second guessing my ordering of Snakeskin TL Easy versions now... perhaps the Lites are going to be reliable enough, particularly for exclusively snow usage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arc View Post
    Liteskin 4.8s for $123 Canadian at Chain Reaction.
    Out of Stock
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    Quote Originally Posted by newmarketrog View Post
    likin the looks of the side knobs. the important ones. for all conditions.
    But kinda far apart no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
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    NOVEMBER 4?? As in 8 months from now?? Dang!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    They look fat for a 4" tyre... on 65's too.
    Yeah they're pretty meaty for a 4.0 tire. I like the compound as well feels like they're more tacky that the D4's I had and they roll better too. Did I say light!?


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    Quote Originally Posted by slabber View Post
    second guessing my ordering of Snakeskin TL Easy versions now... perhaps the Lites are going to be reliable enough, particularly for exclusively snow usage?
    Its only 100g... per tyre... near haffa pound !

    The first time I put a stick through mine, I'll be wishing I went snakeskin
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotHead View Post
    NOVEMBER 4?? As in 8 months from now?? Dang!
    I would hazard a guess at April 11, maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximumX View Post
    I would hazard a guess at April 11, maybe?
    Yep, D/M/Y

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    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    But kinda far apart no?
    so long as they grab.....

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    Hans Dampf don't come in Liteskin either if I'm not mistaken - second guessing my ordering of Snakeskin TL Easy versions now... perhaps the Lites are going to be reliable enough, particularly for exclusively snow usage?
    Just my opinion mind you. Means really nothing until I get home to ride them and see if they hold up. Mind you, I did not choose Liteskins, they chose me as that is all they had and I'm impatient. 😬

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post

    The first time I put a stick through mine, I'll be wishing I went snakeskin
    Exactly. Pissed.

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    I've ordered a 4" liteskin - that picture above sold it to me - they look pretty big on a 65mm rim - which is what mine will be going on - slightly concerned about the tread though! Looking forward to trying these in our drying conditions here in the UK

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    FWIW, I bought a Felt DoubleDee30 and weighed the tires; 1090g on one, 1048g on the other.

    4" Liteskin - a bit heavier than advertised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forged1 View Post
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    Your tire actual weight was 1190g?

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    Impressive.

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    just ordered a Jumbo Jim 4 liteskin at my lbs. The pricing is impressive, even without my team discount. under $120, which is hard to believe, considering that's not far off of what they charge for their regular tires... I'll know on tuesday whether they're available or if I'll have to wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forged1 View Post


    This is 4.8" one?

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    Lookin good Forged1 ! Cant wait to drop a kilo off my tyres, I like my 4.8s, but Buds but at 1650g are a hefty lump of rubba.
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    When are we getting some reviews of these with comparison to other tires? That tread is seriously sparse... How well does this bad boy work on the trails?

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    Where is the 4.0 Jumbo Jim snake skin or lite skin in stock?

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    I agree that it looks sparse but Schwalbe does well enough with their other tires that I doubt they'd bring a sub-par offering to market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Foot View Post
    Where is the 4.0 Jumbo Jim snake skin or lite skin in stock?
    There are none in stock yet, only the 4.8 lite skin has arrived.

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    Jumbo Jim

    So looking at the true tire sizes, this falls right in line with Bud and Lou, in both volume and width. They are tires with different intentions though.

    A bit smaller in volume than the Chao 4.9, which is ~267mm+, and similar in width. JJ is 350 grams lighter, and has bigger cornering knobs that wrap more over the edge. Price advantage to the Chao.

    Curious to see how this high volume, fast roller segment does in the long run. Practically speaking, the places you need high volume also benefit from more aggressive tread. This surely won't challenge bud and Lou for all out winter traction.

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    This looks like a summer tire to me. Dirt, sand, loose conditions, but not mud or muck or snow. Fast rolling. XC conditions rather than gnarly rock gardens. Like a BFL but a bit more aggressive.

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    got my hands on one of these at NAHBS yesterday. Definitely summer tread, but a little bit different than the ramped knobs like you find on Husker Du, Chao, FatB, etc. Looks like the squared knobs will give a bit more bite, and the wide spacing is part of what keeps weight down.

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    My 4.8" lite Skin arrived today.

    The bad, man am I disappointed - it weighs 1320g !!! Aaaarg - I normally ask the retailer to send me the lightest one they have, but this time I forgot .

    The good, this has been the easiest tyre to mount up, and it is certainly the roundest truest tyre I've ever owned - this is a quality tyre.

    Initial impressions are very positive. On the trails, I've only managed a quick 1 hour spin tonight, on fairly straight easy dry trails , wow - it spins up really fast, rolls really well and compares very well with a HUDU, but with the advantage of being a 4.8 tyre. I would say it's nearly as wide as Bud, but not quite as tall. Tomorrow's night ride will be in the woods, with very twisty rooty trails, I can't wait to see how it goes!

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    Quick update - I spent 3 hrs on it tonight in dry twisty rooty woodsy single track - simply the best fat tyre I've ridden, no question. If it was 100g lighter, as it should be......... Anyhow, Schwalbe have offered to warranty the tyre, as it is so heavy, which is great service from them.

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    I just weighed a pair..1176/1240.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjedoaks View Post
    I just weighed a pair..1176/1240.
    Which ones?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Futon River Crossing View Post
    Quick update - I spent 3 hrs on it tonight in dry twisty rooty woodsy single track - simply the best fat tyre I've ridden, no question. If it was 100g lighter, as it should be......... Anyhow, Schwalbe have offered to warranty the tyre, as it is so heavy, which is great service from them.
    Wow, now that's customer service!

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    Which ones?
    4.8 LiteSkin. The same tire Futon is referring to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futon River Crossing View Post
    Quick update - I spent 3 hrs on it tonight in dry twisty rooty woodsy single track - simply the best fat tyre I've ridden, no question. If it was 100g lighter, as it should be......... Anyhow, Schwalbe have offered to warranty the tyre, as it is so heavy, which is great service from them.
    What other tires are you comparing it to when you say it's the best?

    That's awesome they replaced it under warranty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    What other tires are you comparing it to when you say it's the best?

    That's awesome they replaced it under warranty!
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    Interesting I have 2 brand new Nobby Nics that are 80 grams a piece over. Maybe I should contact them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futon River Crossing View Post
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    Wow that's quite the list!!! I'm curious how it rates in traction compared to the HUDU, and why you liked it more?

    I was originally dead set on the jumbo Jim but was concerned the giant gaps would compromise traction relative to a hudo or fat-b-nimble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    Wow that's quite the list!!! I'm curious how it rates in traction compared to the HUDU, and why you liked it more?

    I was originally dead set on the jumbo Jim but was concerned the giant gaps would compromise traction relative to a hudo or fat-b-nimble.
    Oh I would say it has much more grip than a HUDU, but has the cushioning of a 4.8" tyre. When I get my replacement tyre, it will be even better Personally, I never felt that the HUDU had that much grip compared to Nate or Bud, but I was prepared to make that sacrifice for the benefits of nimble steering and increased acceleration and just a more lively ride overall. Now I don't need to make that compromise. The JJ is still untested in mud - so it may have weakness there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Interesting I have 2 brand new Nobby Nics that are 80 grams a piece over. Maybe I should contact them.
    Schwalbe customer service is now in Eau Claire, WI. I will give you the address to sent them to.

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    Looks like I'll order a set

    Thanks for all the great info!

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    Wow, got an alert from QBP they were in stock. Went to look and they were all gone already. Not sure I want a pair, have not heard great things, but the weight makes things tempting. What I have heard/read is in snow, may be a good summer tire, although may not be very tough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logantri View Post
    Not sure I want a pair, have not heard great things, but the weight makes things tempting. What I have heard/read is in snow, may be a good summer tire, although may not be very tough.
    Its not a snow tire...pretty obvious. Thats like basing your opinion of a R-Comp tire on its cold weather performance. Doh

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Its not a snow tire...pretty obvious. Thats like basing your opinion of a R-Comp tire on its cold weather performance. Doh
    Jshonda, how do you know its not a snow tyre... that's like basing you opinion on... errr nothing, coz you haven't tried it.

    I'm waiting on mine as a sand race tyre... wish I'd asked you before laying the cash out. How is it for sand ?

    Its great to have these valid opinions on these new tyres, coz that will save me a shit load of cash rather than trying them myself.
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    For a feather weight rider on flattish terrain, I'm sure it would be a great flotation tire for snow. Hard time seeing it gripping on the hills. I love these tires for the sand, based on my extensive seat time, in front of computer screen, eating cheesy puffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    Jshonda, how do you know its not a snow tyre... that's like basing you opinion on... errr nothing, coz you haven't tried it.

    I'm waiting on mine as a sand race tyre... wish I'd asked you before laying the cash out. How is it for sand ?

    Its great to have these valid opinions on these new tyres, coz that will save me a shit load of cash rather than trying them myself.
    From me glancing at it, I'd say due to the really far spaced lugs. One of the few hands-on reviews I could find said it was really lacking on snow.

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    Yeah, not sure how you know this is a summer tire besides opinion. I wanted a set for snow until I heard from 2 people whom I trust that they kinda blow for snow. The weight makes me fearful they won't last long in rocks which is why I will let others plunk down the cash and try them out. Schwalbes don't have the greatest reputation for durability.
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    I guess what I object to are the blanket statements that X tire is bad on snow. Snow is such a variable surface. For the riding I do Nate, Bud and Lou suck because they have so much resistance. So I could say they suck on snow, because for me they do. But clearly on other types of snow they are great. So qualifiers would be helpful, especially for new riders who are trying to figure out what is going to work best for them.
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    Schwalbes don't claim to be durable for their lightweight tires. Not sure why people complain about this when Schwalbe's own website has disclaimers all over it. This may, or may not, be a good winter tire. You generally don't have to worry about rocks, sticks, roots and such in the winter, so having having a less durable sidewall may not be as much of an issue as it is in the summer, although using them frequently at ultra-low pressures may not be the best for them. Time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBerntson View Post
    Schwalbes don't claim to be durable for their lightweight tires. Not sure why people complain about this when Schwalbe's own website has disclaimers all over it.
    Schwalbe's durability rating for this tire is shown as 4 out of 5 on their website, which puts it at the high end of the scale among their other MTB tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Schwalbe's durability rating for this tire is shown as 4 out of 5 on their website, which puts it at the high end of the scale among their other MTB tires.
    Good point, but I would assume the liteskin is less durable than the snakeskin, even though the two aren't differentiated on the website. That said, I was referring to the general complaints I hear about their lite mtb tires, since we can't yet comment on the durability of their fat tires. The mtb's have a low durability ratings and have warnings about their lack of puncture protection and durability.

    Plus, these tires ARE meant for snow....whether they are any good, I don't know. The two comments I've heard about their performance are the 4.8's roll kinda slow (but this may have been greatly affected by temps - cold - and low pressure), and the 4's grip in snow wasn't great. I haven't tried them yet, so I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBerntson View Post
    Good point, but I would assume the liteskin is less durable than the snakeskin, even though the two aren't differentiated on the website. That said, I was referring to the general complaints I hear about their lite mtb tires, since we can't yet comment on the durability of their fat tires. The mtb's have a low durability ratings and have warnings about their lack of puncture protection and durability.

    Plus, these tires ARE meant for snow....whether they are any good, I don't know. The two comments I've heard about their performance are the 4.8's roll kinda slow (but this may have been greatly affected by temps - cold - and low pressure), and the 4's grip in snow wasn't great. I haven't tried them yet, so I don't know.
    Yeah, I don't know how "honest" their ratings are, but they go as low as a "1" for the Furious Fred. Maybe a "5" rating in Schwalbe world is like being crowned the world's tallest midget.

    Please people, start beating on these tires so we can have some good, solid anecdotal evidence to argue about!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
    I guess what I object to are the blanket statements that X tire is bad on snow. Snow is such a variable surface. For the riding I do Nate, Bud and Lou suck because they have so much resistance. So I could say they suck on snow, because for me they do. But clearly on other types of snow they are great. So qualifiers would be helpful, especially for new riders who are trying to figure out what is going to work best for them.
    Well said.

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    You would think that liteskin/snakeskin is at least some tyre technology with some degree of protection. Has to be more resistant than the big ole rubber bags we have been riding.
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    Where does it say they are specifically meant for snow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    Where does it say they are specifically meant for snow?
    I believe that was a misquote off a French website.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    I believe that was a misquote off a French website.?
    To be fair, it's in the first line of the tire description.
    " Bigger is better.*This is especially true if you want to cycle in
    deep snow or loose sand."
    I guess you you say they strongly implied it....

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    Looks like Evans Cycle in the UK has the 4.8's in stock.

    $88 USD each

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    Looks like free shipping as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swerny View Post
    Looks like Evans Cycle in the UK has the 4.8's in stock.

    $88 USD each

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    Looks like free shipping as well.

    Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
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    someone bought one then as there were at least 2 when i made my last post
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    Quote Originally Posted by tfinator View Post
    To be fair, it's in the first line of the tire description.
    " Bigger is better.*This is especially true if you want to cycle in
    deep snow or loose sand."
    I guess you you say they strongly implied it....
    I spoke with someone in their booth at NAHBS and he said that their research determined tall knobs were not necessary for snow. My feeling is that is absolutely the case with some snow situations but taller knobs are often more effective in deep loose snow than short ones. There is certainly no rolling resistance penalty in deep loose snow using tall knobs. I feel like this is going to be a great sand tire and very effective on many other surfaces as well. The reality is there is no one perfect tire for every surface but this tire looks like it may be very effective on a lot of different surfaces.

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    I am guessing the person at NAHBS was either from Florida, or an imposter from a different company (maybe Espen trying to defend the snowshoe?)

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    Evans still got that 1 tire. Bike24 don't have a clue when in stock.
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    Does anybody know if the 4.80 on a 70mm rim which is about 113mm wide could fit in a On-One Fatty frame?? since the Fatty is only 170mm rear hub spaced, I need more floating capabilities and I've been waiting for these tyres for a long time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    I am guessing the person at NAHBS was either from Florida, or an imposter from a different company (maybe Espen trying to defend the snowshoe?)
    This smacks of maligning someone without a shred of proof. Whether or not you say "maybe", it's still a form of character assassination. The least you could have done was not name Espen, as he's done about as much as anyone for this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumpyride View Post
    This smacks of maligning someone without a shred of proof. Whether or not you say "maybe", it's still a form of character assassination. The least you could have done was not name Espen, as he's done about as much as anyone for this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    You need to NOT take life so seriously, I mean seriously.
    We all read things differently. I respect your opinion to read it one way, but there are other ways that people read things, so naming someone personally might stick in someone's mind as a mark against them.

    I would have no problem with the following statement, (I am guessing the person at NAHBS was either from Florida, or an imposter from a different company ), but naming Espen was not in good form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumpyride View Post
    We all read things differently. I respect your opinion to read it one way, but there are other ways that people read things, so naming someone personally might stick in someone's mind as a mark against them.

    I would have no problem with the following statement, (I am guessing the person at NAHBS was either from Florida, or an imposter from a different company ), but naming Espen was not in good form.
    Obviously you weren't around during the Snowshoe fiasco, I thought it was kinda funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Obviously you weren't around during the Snowshoe fiasco, I thought it was kinda funny.
    I missed that.
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    I missed that.
    It sucks when you are out of the loop.


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    After about three weeks of owning these tires and putting them thru the paces, here's what I've come up with. Great for hardpack snow and dirt, crummy in mud. In loose snow they're ok. Overall, I'm happy with the tire as they're my choice for a summer tire. The compound feels a lot more tacky than the D4's I had before. They roll pretty good as well.





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