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    Cool-blue Rhythm Growler Performance Fat Bikes

    Hi everyone!

    My name is Willo Glynn and I am the owner of Growler Performance Fat Bikes. We are a direct to consumer independent bicycle manufacture based in Farmington NY that specializes in light weight high performance plus and fat bikes. Growler Performance Bikes is more than just a manufacturer that pumps out amazing bikes. We are a community of riders who understand that biking is more than the machines we ride. It’s about the people who ride our bikes and the journeys those bikes allow us to experience.

    I started this thread to allow our community a place to discuss, comment, and ask questions directly with the designer/manufacturer and other Growler Bike Owners. You can find technical information about our bikes at Growler Fat Bikes or post your questions on this forum thread and I will personally answer them for you.

    If you want to join our community on a more personal level we hold group rides every week. This is a great place to meet others with similar interest. Join our group at meetup.com.

    Hope to see you all on the trails. Until then enjoy the ride!

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    Beautiful frame and a nice price for the complete build.
    Do you sell the frame alone?

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    Geometry chart anywhere?
    No moss...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffw-13 View Post
    Geometry chart anywhere?
    If you go their page, there is geo info under the FAQ's.

    Really impressed with the specs on these bikes for the cash.

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    Hi Flugelbinder!

    We do sell the frame only but not through our website. *The website only offers our complete builds. *The frame is $649 for the Mr. Big Stuff (Fat Bike), Mudwasp (27.5+), or Gypsy (29+). *

    Frame Specs:
    * Growler 6061 Hydroformed Aluminum frame.
    * Internal Cable Routing
    * 197mm Rear hub Spacing
    * 100mm BSA english threaded threaded BB
    * 69 degree head tube angle
    * Tapered Headset (Bluto Compatible)

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    Hi Jeffw-13

    Our website does have the geometry but in hindsight it does appear to be buried on the site and I will fix that very soon. I added the Geometry for the Growler Mr. Big Stuff fat bike below. If there is anything specific questions about the geometry that is not listed please let me know.

    Growler Mr. Big Stuff Geometry

    Size Medium 17.5”
    T/T Length 590mm
    Seat Tube 457mm
    Seat Tube Angle 74°
    Head Tube Angle 69°
    BB Drop 56mm
    Head Tube Length 120mm
    Fork Lenth 468mm
    Front Center 676.2mm
    Rear Center 460mm
    Material 6061 Hydroformed Aluminum
    Weight (Frame) 1910 Grames
    Wheelbase 1135.5mm
    Last edited by GrowlerBikes; 10-16-2016 at 12:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erock503 View Post
    If you go their page, there is geo info under the FAQ's.

    Really impressed with the specs on these bikes for the cash.
    Me too, me too... finally...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    Hi Flugelbinder!

    We do sell the frame only but not through our website. *The website only offers our complete builds. *The frame is $649 for the Mr. Big Stuff (Fat Bike), Mudwasp (27.5+), or Gypsy (29+). *

    Frame Specs:
    * Growler 6061 Hydroformed Aluminum frame.
    * Internal Cable Routing
    * 197mm Rear hub Spacing
    * 100mm BSA english threaded threaded BB
    * 69 degree head tube angle
    * Tapered Headset (Bluto Compatible)

    I forgot to add that we powder coat all of our frames. To up the value even more you can even get your bike finished in any custom color (Basic Colors) at no additional charge. Toss out the color combo you wish I will make it happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flugelbinder View Post
    Me too, me too... finally...
    The basis for all of our bikes was to create a serious trail bike that needs no upgrades. We have done all the upgrading for you by replacing components like the handlebars and seat post with FSA's UD Carbon, fully installed (not just compatible like others do) the tubeless systems on all of our bikes so that our owners don't have to. we went overboard on the brakes and added the Magura MT5 4 Piston Hydraulic brakes with Magura 180/180 rotors (talk about stopping power). We dropped the WTB Volt saddle and Answer Fall Line XC locking grips for all day riding comfort. We loaded it with drivetrain options starting at the SRAM GX with Raceface Crankset all the way up to the SRAM Eagle 1x12 Drivetrain there is not much more you could possible want.

    Except there is more. We also designed the Mr. Big Stuff to accept interchangeable wheelsets with Sunringle Mulefut 50SL 27.5+ and 29+. Every wheelset will be delivered with matching cassettes and rotors. It takes less then 2 minutes to swap out the wheels and off you go. The Mr. Big Stuff with 27.5+ Wheelsets turns it into the Mudwasp and drops the weight down to 27lbs with the Bluto, 26lbs if you kept it rigid.

    If your ever in the Rochester NY or Western NY area try to make it out to one of our weekly group rides. There is always a spare demo bike out on the trail for anyone to take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    The basis for all of our bikes was to create a serious trail bike that needs no upgrades. We have done all the upgrading for you by replacing components like the handlebars and seat post with FSA's UD Carbon, fully installed (not just compatible like others do) the tubeless systems on all of our bikes so that our owners don't have to. we went overboard on the brakes and added the Magura MT5 4 Piston Hydraulic brakes with Magura 180/180 rotors (talk about stopping power). We dropped the WTB Volt saddle and Answer Fall Line XC locking grips for all day riding comfort. We loaded it with drivetrain options starting at the SRAM GX with Raceface Crankset all the way up to the SRAM Eagle 1x12 Drivetrain there is not much more you could possible want.

    Except there is more. We also designed the Mr. Big Stuff to accept interchangeable wheelsets with Sunringle Mulefut 50SL 27.5+ and 29+. Every wheelset will be delivered with matching cassettes and rotors. It takes less then 2 minutes to swap out the wheels and off you go. The Mr. Big Stuff with 27.5+ Wheelsets turns it into the Mudwasp and drops the weight down to 27lbs with the Bluto, 26lbs if you kept it rigid.

    If your ever in the Rochester NY or Western NY area try to make it out to one of our weekly group rides. There is always a spare demo bike out on the trail for anyone to take.
    I would definitely take that offer, but unfortunately I'm in Toronto...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    The basis for all of our bikes was to create a serious trail bike that needs no upgrades. We have done all the upgrading for you by replacing components like the handlebars and seat post with FSA's UD Carbon, fully installed (not just compatible like others do) the tubeless systems on all of our bikes so that our owners don't have to. we went overboard on the brakes and added the Magura MT5 4 Piston Hydraulic brakes with Magura 180/180 rotors (talk about stopping power). We dropped the WTB Volt saddle and Answer Fall Line XC locking grips for all day riding comfort. We loaded it with drivetrain options starting at the SRAM GX with Raceface Crankset all the way up to the SRAM Eagle 1x12 Drivetrain there is not much more you could possible want.

    Except there is more. We also designed the Mr. Big Stuff to accept interchangeable wheelsets with Sunringle Mulefut 50SL 27.5+ and 29+. Every wheelset will be delivered with matching cassettes and rotors. It takes less then 2 minutes to swap out the wheels and off you go. The Mr. Big Stuff with 27.5+ Wheelsets turns it into the Mudwasp and drops the weight down to 27lbs with the Bluto, 26lbs if you kept it rigid.

    If your ever in the Rochester NY or Western NY area try to make it out to one of our weekly group rides. There is always a spare demo bike out on the trail for anyone to take.
    Interesting choice with the mineral oil Maguras. I know my Shimanos work down to -20, but they are pretty sluggish at that temp, and not all mineral oil is the same, they can have some radically different properties. How do the Maguras work at -20?
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

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    Wow, just checked out the website...pretty impressive specs for the money! I was ready to pull the trigger on a Specialized Fatboy but now am seriously considering the Growler fatty. For $100 more than the full ridgid Fatboy, can get a Growler Fatty with a Bluto and better spec'd bike.

    I've always run the Shimano brakes in cold weather with no issue (in single digit temps), anticipate the mineral oil Maguras will also perform just fine.

    Anyone else catch the full suspension 27.5+ carbon Growler E-Ville w/ Eagle drivetrain for <$4k also on their site? Sick!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Interesting choice with the mineral oil Maguras. I know my Shimanos work down to -20, but they are pretty sluggish at that temp, and not all mineral oil is the same, they can have some radically different properties. How do the Maguras work at -20?
    Hi Jayem,
    One of our major concerns we had using any brake system with Mineral Oil compared to the DOT was brake fade at extremely low temperature as these bikes are build to perform in the toughest conditions possible. According to Magura the brakes will show no brake fade even when the temperatures drop into the negatives as long as you are using the factory installed Royal Blood mineral oil they offer. We have tested these brakes in tempetkres as low as -2 without any mechanical issues what so ever. The Magura MT5 gave us the maximum stopping power using the 4 piston caliper which is more often seen on a gravity bike then a fat bike while still being able to handle the extremely cold February weather that we see here in Western NY. I know -2 and -20 are two different extremes but any issue should have appeared at anything below 0. Our testing has proven these to be extremely reliable in these tough conditions.

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    Impressive price on the 27.5+ full suspension carbon!
    I'm not in the market, but if i was...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    Hi Jayem,
    One of our major concerns we had using any brake system with Mineral Oil compared to the DOT was brake fade at extremely low temperature as these bikes are build to perform in the toughest conditions possible. According to Magura the brakes will show no brake fade even when the temperatures drop into the negatives as long as you are using the factory installed Royal Blood mineral oil they offer. We have tested these brakes in tempetkres as low as -2 without any mechanical issues what so ever. The Magura MT5 gave us the maximum stopping power using the 4 piston caliper which is more often seen on a gravity bike then a fat bike while still being able to handle the extremely cold February weather that we see here in Western NY. I know -2 and -20 are two different extremes but any issue should have appeared at anything below 0. Our testing has proven these to be extremely reliable in these tough conditions.
    Naw, I find the brakes really start slowing down around -15 or so, that's where you start seeing issues with the mineral oil, but then again, mineral oil is not standard and it varies significantly. If you are getting fade at -2, then my hat's off to you for being able to ride steep stuff that fast at -2. It's not fade so much that we worry about on fatbikes, it's cold temp performance. Brake fade is when the brakes are overheating and they become less effective. Really, maximum stopping power doesn't really come up as a huge priority, we can actually get by with some pretty minimalist rotors (and brakes) on fatbikes in the winter, because you aren't going all that fast most of the time and the heat is dissipated well. The colder the temps get, the slower the bike rolls, so the problem kind of solves itself. -20 is about my limit, but it's not uncommon to have pools of cold air in low spots where it can be easily 10 degrees colder.

    -2 is cold for most people, no doubt there.

    Anyway, good looking spec on the bike. I do like the design philosophy. Seeing a few more bikes like this too as of late. I guess it's all about how much people want to spend, but makes a lot of sense to "get it right first".
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    Impressive price on the 27.5+ full suspension carbon!
    I'm not in the market, but if i was...
    3k for an fs plus complete, curious about the GX level build and geo, any details; couldn't find them on the website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Naw, I find the brakes really start slowing down around -15 or so, that's where you start seeing issues with the mineral oil, but then again, mineral oil is not standard and it varies significantly. If you are getting fade at -2, then my hat's off to you for being able to ride steep stuff that fast at -2. It's not fade so much that we worry about on fatbikes, it's cold temp performance. Brake fade is when the brakes are overheating and they become less effective. Really, maximum stopping power doesn't really come up as a huge priority, we can actually get by with some pretty minimalist rotors (and brakes) on fatbikes in the winter, because you aren't going all that fast most of the time and the heat is dissipated well. The colder the temps get, the slower the bike rolls, so the problem kind of solves itself.

    -2 is cold for most people, no doubt there.

    Anyway, good looking spec on the bike.

    My apology Jayem,

    In my mind I was thinking sluggishness of a brake not fade but I was typing fade. Either way we are NOT seeing any issues at -2 which is the lowest temperature that we have had real world testing done in. Once again -20 is a different environment in which not much wants to work properly. Thats is why we leaned on Magura's expertise in braking systems. They had many option just as other company do and according to theirs and our testing the Royal Blood improved the braking performance in sub zero weather.

    Thanks for the comments!

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    Some good info on brakes, cold and fluids:

    Technical FAQ: More on disc brakes in cold weather | VeloNews.com

    Tech Speak: Brake Fluid Break Down & Implications for Road Disc - Bikerumor

    Interesting take from shimano above that it's not so much the fluid, but the seals, that cause the sluggish performance and eventual failure in the cold.

    DOT Brake Fluid vs. Mineral Oil - and the Winner is.. | Epic Bleed Solutions

    According to the above article, the Magura Royal Blood is actually the fluid below:

    http://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/B214799C3DE49442802577960030663D/$File/466992_XI_en.pdf

    I wouldn't fret about this much, if you are riding all the time in -20 and colder, you're going to need some other mods anyway, especially on your body
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Some good info on brakes, cold and fluids:

    Technical FAQ: More on disc brakes in cold weather | VeloNews.com

    Tech Speak: Brake Fluid Break Down & Implications for Road Disc - Bikerumor

    Interesting take from shimano above that it's not so much the fluid, but the seals, that cause the sluggish performance and eventual failure in the cold.

    DOT Brake Fluid vs. Mineral Oil - and the Winner is.. | Epic Bleed Solutions

    According to the above article, the Magura Royal Blood is actually the fluid below:

    http://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/B214799C3DE49442802577960030663D/$File/466992_XI_en.pdf
    Great info Jayem,

    Thanks for adding these articles. They contain a great amount of technical information related to brake fluids and their performance related to temperature.

    Willo

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    Growler,
    I've been interested in your bikes for a while and am definitely looking at yours as a possible option for my next fattie (along with a Kona Wozo or a Mayor); it's great to see you hit production!
    Along with a number of other folks here, one issue I have with most companies is shipping overseas.
    I'm stationed in Germany, so APO would theoretically be an option (they tell me they'll take bikes), but most companies have said they won't ship APO.
    Will you ship APO or internationally?
    Beautiful looking entries and definitely attractive price points!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhdPepper View Post
    Growler,
    I've been interested in your bikes for a while and am definitely looking at yours as a possible option for my next fattie (along with a Kona Wozo or a Mayor); it's great to see you hit production!
    Along with a number of other folks here, one issue I have with most companies is shipping overseas.
    I'm stationed in Germany, so APO would theoretically be an option (they tell me they'll take bikes), but most companies have said they won't ship APO.
    Will you ship APO or internationally?
    Beautiful looking entries and definitely attractive price points!
    Hi PhdPepper,

    Although shipping is more difficult internationally it would be my honor to ship our bikes to any service member serving overseas.

    We will worry about the logistics all you need to worry about is which build kit you would like to enjoy while you serve in Germany. For military personnel all I need is the APO information. I will private message you in a few minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    ... there is not much more you could possible want.
    Nice specs for the price, but there is plenty more to want...and this is my frustration with so many of the online fatbike businesses that ARE providing decent bikes at nice prices, but don't provide competition for the big companies' higher end models (there is LaMere, but they aren't competing THAT well on price).

    So...wheel upgrades would be up there on my list...add a few others to offer a really competitively priced bike in the 25lb range would get my attention.

    I appreciate that you are not just throwing on cheap AL bars and posts, but ya...more...
    Riding: '91 Carbon Epic Stumpjumper w/a rack on the back

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPA Rider View Post
    Nice specs for the price, but there is plenty more to want...and this is my frustration with so many of the online fatbike businesses that ARE providing decent bikes at nice prices, but don't provide competition for the big companies' higher end models (there is LaMere, but they aren't competing THAT well on price).

    So...wheel upgrades would be up there on my list...add a few others to offer a really competitively priced bike in the 25lb range would get my attention.

    I appreciate that you are not just throwing on cheap AL bars and posts, but ya...more...
    Thanks for the feedback IPA Rider. Here at Growler we are never satisfied with what we have created and are always looking for ways to improve. Wheelsets have the greatest effect on performance especially when were are discussing fat bikes. Moving to carbon wheelsets puts the bicycle in a different category and price point altogether.

    When I created Growler Performance Bikes I established a Philosophy to create better bikes at lower prices in each category we compete in. As our offerings grow I hope to compete with the likes of LaMere in the next couple of years. They have some amazing bikes and no one can deny that.

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    I can't seem to find the geometry for the large, and you only list the medium...

    Ooops found it. Pretty small. Any hope of seeing an XL?

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    GuidoStow,

    GuidoStow,

    The large 19" will be the largest frame size we carry this year for the Growler Mr. Big Stuff. Based on real world experiences many riders feel our bikes tend feel larger then the numbers suggest. Just for reference I am 5'10" and the medium frame fits me perfectly. Obviously preference is a very personal thing. If you are ever in western New York we hold demo days and group rides often. It gives riders an opportunity to test the models that best fit their needs.

    Willo

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    Would there happen to be plans on building a fs fat bike? Something in aluminum would be nice to keep cost down, though surely there are a lot of people wanting carbon.

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    No trouble with hydros in cold weather

    I have been riding in cold weather MTB for 15+ years in as low a 0 degrees F.
    I have used dot and mineral oil brakes in these conditions and have never noticed any issues with brake performance. Yes - there is a slightly slower response, but there was no trouble stopping or rotor clearance, etc.
    In my humble opinion, it is absolutely nothing to worry about.
    If you are riding in -30, I have no idea...Ill be inside

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    FYI - I am in Rochester and have ridden both the Mud Wasp and Mr. Big Stuff and love the bikes. You will not find bikes in this price range with this quality build...and you will like working directly with the owner as opposed to some call center!
    His name is Willo (pronounced wee-low) but everyone calls him "Wheels" because no one is more passionate about bikes than this dude!

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    You call yourself a manufacturer, but at the prices you're offering, I'm having a hard time believing that you're actually doing any manufacturing. Most domestic manufacturers charge those prices for frames alone, not a complete build. Perhaps it might be more accurate to call yourselves assemblers and direct to consumer retailers... Or are you really building your frames at that price, as opposed to having them built?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    You call yourself a manufacturer, but at the prices you're offering, I'm having a hard time believing that you're actually doing any manufacturing. Most domestic manufacturers charge those prices for frames alone, not a complete build. Perhaps it might be more accurate to call yourselves assemblers and direct to consumer retailers... Or are you really building your frames at that price, as opposed to having them built?
    I can't wait to hear the answer, but greed quickly comes to mind... but that's just me, I'm sure the manufacturers you talk about have twice as much production costs than Willo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    You call yourself a manufacturer, but at the prices you're offering, I'm having a hard time believing that you're actually doing any manufacturing. Most domestic manufacturers charge those prices for frames alone, not a complete build. Perhaps it might be more accurate to call yourselves assemblers and direct to consumer retailers... Or are you really building your frames at that price, as opposed to having them built?
    How many bike companies build their frames themselves opposed to having them built by someone else? Even my AL USA built Turner is not built by Turner

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    Is Growler using open frame designs or are these frames manufactured specifically for Growler and it's bikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    You call yourself a manufacturer, but at the prices you're offering, I'm having a hard time believing that you're actually doing any manufacturing. Most domestic manufacturers charge those prices for frames alone, not a complete build. Perhaps it might be more accurate to call yourselves assemblers and direct to consumer retailers... Or are you really building your frames at that price, as opposed to having them built?
    Hi Gigantic,

    Thanks for taking the time to comment on the Growler thread. I really do enjoy discussing bikes with just about anyone who will listen. MTBR is a great platform for Growler Performance Bikes to have a more personal relationship with the biking community and our customers. MTBR is an amazing group of bike lovers who at the end of the day just want to get out and ride with their friends. That is the same community that I am creating using Growler Performance Bikes as my platform. I just want people to enjoy riding and the adventures our bikes bring us.

    Gigantic, you bring up an interesting conversation about the cost of manufacturing in the United States compared to the cost of manufacturing internationally. To discuss manufacturing, I will cover the 3 major topics related to bicycle manufacturing: Location, Quality, and Cost

    Location: Growler Performance Bike’s bicycles, like the majority of bicycle “assemblers and direct to consumer retailers” are manufactured by partner companies outside of the United States. There are only 3 major manufacturers of bicycles in the world and combined, produce over 2 billion bicycles every year for some of the largest name brand bikes in the industry including the likes of Trek, Cannondale, Scott, Specialized, Giant and even the beautiful 9zero7 fat bike you ride (9zero7 design and test in Alaska but produced in Taiwan).

    Here is a link to a much longer list of these companies.
    Where has my bicycle been made?


    More interestingly is that many of these brands share the same partners, factories, manufacturing equipment, R&D and intellectual property. These major brands utilize these partners and processes for multiple reasons which include but are not limited to quality control, logistics and production cost. The only partner manufacturer I was able to locate in the United States that actually manufactured their bikes locally was Zen Fabrication in Portland OR. They went out of business last year because they were unable to get an OEM to manufacture American made frames by the 100s at 7x the cost as it is to have them manufactured overseas. Which brings me to my next two points.

    Quality: Our manufacturing partner in Taiwan produces our bicycle frames using the same equipment, resources, technology, and standards as multiple bikes on the link above. Production quality and preproduction testing was the most important aspects of the manufacturing process for us at Growler Performance Bikes. Our manufacturing partner strictly abide by the standards issued by the ISO and there for limit the quality consistency and production issues that may arise. These mega factories have the resources and expertise to manufacture large quantity of bicycles with amazing precision.

    Cost: There are a couple of reasons why Growler Performance Bikes has the ability to offer such well spec’d bikes at such a competitive price point. First, like Flugelbinder stated, we don’t have all of the overhead that a company such as Trek or Giant has. Overhead has a tremendous effect on pricing. Secondly, we do produce our frames in Taiwan in large quantities which allow us to reduce production and shipping cost associated. Once the frames arrive at our warehouse they are assembled. This process includes other local companies that are well known for their expertise in things such as powder coating and wheel building. Lastly, we sell our products direct to consumer. Direct to consumer sales model saves the consumer on average of 39% on every bike as it doesn’t have to go through another company’s hands($$$). Consumers such as those using MTBR have become internet savvy over the years and are now more comfortable making large purchases of goods over the internet. Canyon in Europe has done an excellent job capturing the online bike sales market by selling quality bicycles at lower prices than its competitor. I know that if I could get a better product at a better price I would certainly consider the option.

    In closing, Growler Performance Bikes is as much an OEM as the 9zero7 you ride and all the major bike brands we consider manufacturers. Where we see success is in running a very slim operation avoiding the waste that major corporations accumulate over the years. Combine that with our direct to consumer sales model and Growler Performance Bikes has created amazingly well spec’d bikes at very competitive price points.

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    Is Growler using open frame designs or are these frames manufactured specifically for Growler and it's bikes?
    Hi Negotiator50,

    The quick answer to your question is yes and yes. To explain in more detail. All of our frames are based on an open source frame design that has already been developed and tested by our a partnering design firm. The frames will then be put through thorough field testing and changes will be made to each preproduction sample. Head tube angles, BB heights, ect. Once these items have been adjusted to fit our performance standards the bikes will be sent back for lab testing based on ISO standards and a set of prototypes will be developed specifically for Growler Performance Bikes. This process repeats itself until we achieve the performance design we were looking for out of our bikes. The process is very similar to building cars. Every car in a class has very similar design and functionality. What separates the products are the small tweaks the manufacturer adds or changes to enhance the performance of the products.

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    Willo,
    Thanks for the detailed responses!
    I've learned some new stuff today!
    I've looked at the bikes you have and one question that you or others may be able to answer is what is the biggest/fattest tire you think will fit front/back. From the site I'm seeing 4" but often I've found folks able to squeeze in a little fatter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhdPepper View Post
    Willo,
    Thanks for the detailed responses!
    I've learned some new stuff today!
    I've looked at the bikes you have and one question that you or others may be able to answer is what is the biggest/fattest tire you think will fit front/back. From the site I'm seeing 4" but often I've found folks able to squeeze in a little fatter.
    The absolute fattest tire that will fit inside of the Growler Mr. Big Stuff is the Snow Shoe XXL (26x5.05") setup tubeless on a rigid frame. This is a very tight fit along the chain line but it will slide in and is functional. It is also the most ridicules thing you will ever see and it rocks! If you are looking for the Growler Mr. Big Stuff with the Rockshox Bluto then the largest we have tested that fit properly is the Surly Bud and Lou and it had about an inch of clearance inside of the Bluto. The Rockshox Bluto is what is limiting the tire size.

    If anyone has put anything larger inside of a Bluto please share.

    Willo

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    The absolute fattest tire that will fit inside of the Growler Mr. Big Stuff is the Snow Shoe XXL (26x5.05") setup tubeless on a rigid frame. This is a very tight fit along the chain line but it will slide in and is functional. It is also the most ridicules thing you will ever see and it rocks!...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhdPepper View Post
    Willo,
    Thanks for the detailed responses!
    I've learned some new stuff today!...
    Absolutely!
    I've been following this thread with great attention; even as a rookie is easy to see a great deal when it's presented.
    When I first realized how inflated the market was (about two months ago, when all this started for me), particularly when it comes to fat bikes even in the used market, it was a big discouraging as I began to enjoy riding more and more and started to upgrade my recently bought (used) bicycle; the prohibited price point of a new offer is what sent me to the used market, because if you're going to upgrade anyway, one might as well start with the cheapest possible platform.
    That was my line of thought till I saw Willo's offers and realized that I could have done a better deal (and some of you know how happy I am/was? with the choice I had made) and gotten a much better bike for not much more...

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    Duuuuuuuuuuuude. Nice looking bikes! I'm disappointed that you aren't offering an XL this year. I would love to test it at the very least!

    My biggest question is WHY HAVEN'T I HEARD OF YOU??? I live in Rochester and am pretty familiar with the mtb scene. Market, market, market! I would 100% suport a local brand if I knew you existed! It seems like you have been at least in development for quite some time and should have been marketing all along!

    I joined your meetup. I'd love to try a L, although at 6'3" I am betting it will be a tight fit. Do a Tryon or West Bay demo day and I'll be there! I can try and get more people there too, send me a pm!

    Also, if you are looking for any design engineers, hit me up
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    I appreciate the candid and informative responses...here are a few more questions:

    what is the q-factor on Mr. Big Stuff?

    also, I'm assuming the weight listing is with tubes and rigid fork, yes?
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    Super impressed with Growler's responsiveness to this thread. Nice work with the transparency

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    Hi Jeffw-13

    Our website does have the geometry but in hindsight it does appear to be buried on the site and I will fix that very soon. I added the Geometry for the Growler Mr. Big Stuff fat bike below. If there is anything specific questions about the geometry that is not listed please let me know.

    Growler Mr. Big Stuff Geometry

    Size Medium 17.5”
    T/T Length 590mm
    Seat Tube 457mm
    Seat Tube Angle 74°
    Head Tube Angle 69°
    BB Drop 56mm
    Head Tube Length 120mm
    Fork Lenth 468mm
    Front Center 676.2mm
    Rear Center 460mm
    Material 6061 Hydroformed Aluminum
    Weight (Frame) 1910 Grames
    Wheelbase 1135.5mm
    This is not at all consistent with the chart on the Mr. Big Stuff page. Which is the real geometry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeroc40 View Post
    This is not at all consistent with the chart on the Mr. Big Stuff page. Which is the real geometry?

    Yeroc40,

    Thanks for catching this! The geometry under the Growler Mr. Big Stuff is the correct Geometry. The accidentally posted the geometry to the Growler Big Stout which was the original bike that was being offered and no longer exist. The Growler Big Stout was a 18" frame instead of a 17.5" frame design. I have reposted the correct geometry below. I apologize for the way it is formatted I could not get table to have a traditionally look on MTBR.

    Frame Size
    17.5" Medium

    Seat Tube (mm)
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    BB to Ground
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    Seat Tube Angle
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    Standover at BB
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    Top Tube
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    Chain Stay
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    Head Tube Angle
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    Head Tube Length
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    Wheelbase
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    Effective Top Tube
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    Hello and thank you for your time Willo.

    I have reviewed your site...what is the pricing on the additional wheelset? Say buying the 27.5+ with the mr. big stuff?

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by IPA Rider View Post
    I appreciate the candid and informative responses...here are a few more questions:

    what is the q-factor on Mr. Big Stuff?

    also, I'm assuming the weight listing is with tubes and rigid fork, yes?
    Great questions IPA Rider.

    The Growler Mr. Big Stuff has a Q-factor of 193mm when using the Raceface Turbine Cinch 1x Crankset.

    Raceface Website has great details in relation to their cranks
    http://www.raceface.com/media/Crank_...chainlines.pdf

    Every bike that is delivered to our customers will be delivered tubeless. We take care of setting up the bikes tubeless for a couple of reasons beyond the performance aspect. A) It is a pain in the ass to setup if you don't have much experience in doing so. B) It is just another cost to the consumer after they purchase a new bike that I could eliminate without increasing over cost of the bikes.

    We will add tubes back into the wheelsets if requested which has occurred.

    Willo

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    Quote Originally Posted by centoshred View Post
    Hello and thank you for your time Willo.

    I have reviewed your site...what is the pricing on the additional wheelset? Say buying the 27.5+ with the mr. big stuff?

    Thanks,
    Alex
    Hi Alex,

    Thanks for taking the time to visit the website and posting a comment here. Inside of the shop you can find more details about the optional wheelsets.

    Here is the link
    Growler Fat Bikes

    The interchangeable wheelsets is priced at $500 for the 11speed and $800 for the SRAM Eagle 12 speed.

    Each wheelset will include the following:
    • Sunringle Mulefute Wheel in 27.5+/29+/Fatty
    • Panaracer Fat B Nimble 27.5x3.5"/29x3"/26x4"
    • Magura 180/180 Rotors
    • SRAM 11speed/12speed cassette
    • Delived tubeless


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    Sorry not to get all the questions into one of these...but next up is:

    Frame weight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    Hi Jeffw-13

    Our website does have the geometry but in hindsight it does appear to be buried on the site and I will fix that very soon. I added the Geometry for the Growler Mr. Big Stuff fat bike below. If there is anything specific questions about the geometry that is not listed please let me know.

    Growler Mr. Big Stuff Geometry

    Size Medium 17.5”
    T/T Length 590mm
    Seat Tube 457mm
    Seat Tube Angle 74°
    Head Tube Angle 69°
    BB Drop 56mm
    Head Tube Length 120mm
    Fork Lenth 468mm
    Front Center 676.2mm
    Rear Center 460mm
    Material 6061 Hydroformed Aluminum
    Weight (Frame) 1910 Grames
    Wheelbase 1135.5mm
    Quote Originally Posted by IPA Rider View Post
    Sorry not to get all the questions into one of these...but next up is:

    Frame weight?
    1910 Grams.
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    If your ever in the Rochester NY or Western NY area try to make it out to one of our weekly group rides. There is always a spare demo bike out on the trail for anyone to take.[/QUOTE]


    Where are the weekly rides and time? I am 1 hour south of Rochester.

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    Great response from Willo, no defensiveness, great attitude, it will certainly sell those bikes.

    I gotta admit, I find it very silly that anyone would give grief to a company that sells production built bikes at rock bottom prices.

    If you don't get what Growler is doing, you have been living in a cave for the past twenty years.

    At this point in the parade, "open " source geometry for a hard tail is about as common as ketchup. Suspension designs are a different story, at least for now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    The absolute fattest tire that will fit inside of the Growler Mr. Big Stuff is the Snow Shoe XXL (26x5.05") setup tubeless on a rigid frame.

    The Growler Mr. Big Stuff has a Q-factor of 193mm when using the Raceface Turbine Cinch 1x Crankset.
    I'm sorry but no. This is impossible. I want pictures. The 193mm q factor is with a 149,5 spindle, and most 100mm bb shells tend to run with a 169,5 which gives 213mm q with turbines and 203mm q with next sl cranks.

    If you say the frame can fit vee 2xl tires there's no way you can have a q of 197mm and authentic same time clear vee 2xl. The smallest q achievable with 2xl tires is 213mm using the turbines. You simply cannot squeeze them in a frame that clears a next sl crank in 169,5mm spindle and you're saying you use 149,5 spindle and can clear them?

    There must be a mistake here.
    Since for those tires you need a wide chainstay, and the with to clear the tires is not possible to squeeze between a chainstay as narrow as you need to clear a q factor of 193mm

    Please provide pics of this, I believe you're mistaking. Perhaps you mean vee xl tires?

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    Do you have geometry for the E'ville? (Short for Ellicottville?). Frame only option?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy81 View Post
    I'm sorry but no. This is impossible. I want pictures. The 193mm q factor is with a 149,5 spindle, and most 100mm bb shells tend to run with a 169,5 which gives 213mm q with turbines and 203mm q with next sl cranks.

    If you say the frame can fit vee 2xl tires there's no way you can have a q of 197mm and authentic same time clear vee 2xl. The smallest q achievable with 2xl tires is 213mm using the turbines. You simply cannot squeeze them in a frame that clears a next sl crank in 169,5mm spindle and you're saying you use 149,5 spindle and can clear them?

    There must be a mistake here.
    Since for those tires you need a wide chainstay, and the with to clear the tires is not possible to squeeze between a chainstay as narrow as you need to clear a q factor of 193mm

    Please provide pics of this, I believe you're mistaking. Perhaps you mean vee xl tires?
    Hi Andy,

    To ensure I was giving you the correct answer I even contacted my rep from raceface. I will toss on the Snow Shoe 2XL and post a pic sometime today or tomorrow and I will contact Raceface once again and do a personal measurement to ensure that the Q factor stated is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    Hi Andy,

    To ensure I was giving you the correct answer I even contacted my rep from raceface. I will toss on the Snow Shoe 2XL and post a pic sometime today or tomorrow and I will contact Raceface once again and do a personal measurement to ensure that the Q factor stated is correct.

    Willo
    Superb, looking forward to see the pics.
    Please show crank arm clearance from frame on both drive and non drive side, as well as seatstay clearance to tire and chainstay clearance to the tire.

    Even if you only manage vee 2xl and 169mm spindle with the turbines, that's a feature few bikes can match and it makes this a very nice product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffw-13 View Post
    Do you have geometry for the E'ville? (Short for Ellicottville?). Frame only option?
    Hi JeffW-13

    Yes the E'Ville is named after Ellicottville, NY. That place has some of the best rock garden sections I have ever ridden. It's our hidden treasure chest of mountain biking for Western NY.

    Here is the link to the website where you can find the geometry for the E'Ville. Growler Fat Bikes

    If your interested in giving it a test ride we are doing a demo day at Dryer Road Park, Victor NY, at 8am - noon this Saturday October 22. The E'Ville is just an absolutely amazing ride. Between the Pike, monarch, and the 27.5+ wheels that bike rips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tims5377 View Post
    Duuuuuuuuuuuude. Nice looking bikes! I'm disappointed that you aren't offering an XL this year. I would love to test it at the very least!

    My biggest question is WHY HAVEN'T I HEARD OF YOU??? I live in Rochester and am pretty familiar with the mtb scene. Market, market, market! I would 100% suport a local brand if I knew you existed! It seems like you have been at least in development for quite some time and should have been marketing all along!

    I joined your meetup. I'd love to try a L, although at 6'3" I am betting it will be a tight fit. Do a Tryon or West Bay demo day and I'll be there! I can try and get more people there too, send me a pm!

    Also, if you are looking for any design engineers, hit me up
    Hi Tims5377,

    First thanks for joining our meetup group. It's a new group but so far we have had good turnouts with a great bunch of great guys showing up ranging in skill levels. The group ride is designed so that everyone can enjoy the ride. We will not drop anyone even if we are just waiting around at the end of every trail chatting about bikes. It's important that everyone enjoys.

    We have done a couple of demo days and group rides so far. The last major demo day was at the Western NY Bike Festival at Dryer Road Park and our next demo day is actually this Saturday October 22 starting at 8am with a group ride. Followed up with a demo day from 10-noon and ending with a stop by a local Brewery (Stumblin Monkey or VB).

    Hope to see you there!

    Willo

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    Assuming you have the bike for a while and it's time for new tires...what's the approach?

    I'm not familiar or comfortable removing and installing a tubeless tire.

    Thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by centoshred View Post
    Assuming you have the bike for a while and it's time for new tires...what's the approach?

    I'm not familiar or comfortable removing and installing a tubeless tire.

    Thanks again
    Hi Centoshed,

    You can request to have the bike built tubeless ready instead of tubeless installed. We would still leave the basics tubeless tape installed for easy future setup. Another option would be to take your bike to a LBS and have them make the tire swap and keep the tubeless system in place. We can install it either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    Hi JeffW-13

    Yes the E'Ville is named after Ellicottville, NY. That place has some of the best rock garden sections I have ever ridden. It's our hidden treasure chest of mountain biking for Western NY.

    Here is the link to the website where you can find the geometry for the E'Ville. Growler Fat Bikes

    If your interested in giving it a test ride we are doing a demo day at Dryer Road Park, Victor NY, at 8am - noon this Saturday October 22. The E'Ville is just an absolutely amazing ride. Between the Pike, monarch, and the 27.5+ wheels that bike rips.

    Thanks for the info. I was on my phone earlier and couldn't see the geo on it. I wont be able to join you this weekend but joined the meetup group so I can keep an eye out for future demo rides. Im just north of Pittsburgh so hopefully you'll be doing something a little further south at some point. I haven't been to E'ville but it's been on my radar for awhile. Hope to ride there next summer.
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    Nice to have a local brand, been riding and preaching about fatbikes for several years now. I may try to swing up for the Demo, but not a sure thing... However, if you ever plan to host a Demo closer to PA... we at WNYMBA could help out, either eville or my local trails HHE www.harrishillext.com. we have had some come up from Pburgh, just over 2.5 hours I believe.

    your prices are attractive, and I to must say that I appreciate your timely responses to the questions.

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    I appreciate you coming here and introducing yourself and your company, and laying everything out there. But, I just don't understand I guess. There are countless other 'manufacturers' out there doing basically the same thing. Pick a frame design form one of the big Taiwan factories, maybe tweak a couple of numbers, and throw your part spec on and sell it. Maybe your spec is better than others for the price point, I don't know and don't really care as I have no interest in this business model.

    If, on the other hand, you hired a couple of local out of work welders, actually designed a frame, sourced the tubes and them had it powder-coated at local establishment, you would have my attention.

    I know, too expensive, blah blah blah.

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    Separate thread initiated in plus bikes forum on the full suspension 27.5+ carbon Growler E'Ville, appears to be is built off of a true 27.5+ boost/plus frame platform. Frame, specs, geometry, Q factor etc on the three Growler hardtail bikes clearly are different, and look to be built off a fat bike platform.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/26-27-5-29-pl...l#post12882382

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    If your interested in giving it a test ride we are doing a demo day at Dryer Road Park, Victor NY, at 8am - noon this Saturday October 22. The E'Ville is just an absolutely amazing ride. Between the Pike, monarch, and the 27.5+ wheels that bike rips.
    Rain in the forecast for Victor right up until 8am Saturday. I'd like to join you, but I'll wait until things dry out. I'm about an hour south.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy81 View Post
    Superb, looking forward to see the pics.
    Please show crank arm clearance from frame on both drive and non drive side, as well as seatstay clearance to tire and chainstay clearance to the tire.

    Even if you only manage vee 2xl and 169mm spindle with the turbines, that's a feature few bikes can match and it makes this a very nice product.
    Hi Andy,

    I am still waiting for a response from Raceface but as soon as I hear from them I will let you know.

    As for the Snowshoe XXL. The question was what is the largest tire that will fit inside of the Growler Mr. Big Stuff. You requested photos so I thought I would do one better I made a short video and uploaded it to the Growler Youtube page. As I stated before this is a very tight fit. Growler does not recommend any tire over 26x4.9". You will get frame rub using a tire of this size especially if your wheel or tire is not true and has any type of wobble. This is also only possible on our rigid setups. The Rochshox Bluto does not have the spacing to allow for anything larger then a 26x4.8" (Surly Bud & Lou).

    Here is the link
    https://youtu.be/GjF9GRx_Ld0

    As soon as I hear back from Raceface I will let you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burtronix View Post
    Rain in the forecast for Victor right up until 8am Saturday. I'd like to join you, but I'll wait until things dry out. I'm about an hour south.
    Hi Burtronix,

    Saturday is starting to look a little rough. We will probably cancel the 8am group ride just so that we don't damage the trail but will keep the demo day live.

    Hopefully we will see you on the trail soon!

    Wheels!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    I appreciate you coming here and introducing yourself and your company, and laying everything out there. But, I just don't understand I guess. There are countless other 'manufacturers' out there doing basically the same thing. Pick a frame design form one of the big Taiwan factories, maybe tweak a couple of numbers, and throw your part spec on and sell it. Maybe your spec is better than others for the price point, I don't know and don't really care as I have no interest in this business model.

    If, on the other hand, you hired a couple of local out of work welders, actually designed a frame, sourced the tubes and them had it powder-coated at local establishment, you would have my attention.

    I know, too expensive, blah blah blah.
    Hi Bikeny,

    I love your passion for American Made American Built bikes. I am also very glad that you are supporting these brands. One of my personal goals is to one day be able to completely manufacture my bikes in my factory in the United States. Hire retired or disabled veterans who are struggling to find jobs or who are just struggling to get back into society. The hell these men and women have to go through to keep us safe is beyond the imagination of the average American public. Maybe my goals will never works out but I have made the personal commitment that as my company grows and when positions open up within my company that these individuals will have first dibs at them.

    When it come to too expensive that is all relative to the person making the purchases. I know that I personally on a public servants salary and with a wife and 3 kids would not have the financial means to purchase a Jones Ti 27.5+ for $4000 but that doesn't mean that there are not other like yourself who can afford those amazing and beautiful bikes. I will never hate on you for doing so. I just hope that if you ever join me on a group ride that you let me have a spin on it. haha!

    As for supporting local business. Growler Bikes has partnerships with a couple of them. All of our wheels are built by Craig from Mendon Cycle Smith. He is one of the best lefty shock and wheels builders in the nation not to boot just an all around amazing bicycle mind. Our bikes are powder coated and labeled at a company called Qualicoat and the labels for the bikes are locally produced as well. The more I can bring in house the better it is for our brand but that takes lots of financial resources. We as a company are just not at those levels yet. Soon my friend. Very soon!

    Thanks for the comment and have fun out on the trails!

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    Did you just suggest a growler with a lefty from Craig?

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    Did you just suggest a growler with a lefty from Craig?
    Blinder,

    That would be a sweet combination. Although I really do enjoy the Bluto, a lefty would also be a smooth ride and If you know Craig then you know Craig does some amazing work at his shop with those lefties.

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    Yup, Craig would be the guy. Super impressed with your response to questions on this board and nice touch with that video with the 2xl

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    Hi Andy,

    I am still waiting for a response from Raceface but as soon as I hear from them I will let you know.

    As for the Snowshoe XXL. The question was what is the largest tire that will fit inside of the Growler Mr. Big Stuff. You requested photos so I thought I would do one better I made a short video and uploaded it to the Growler Youtube page. As I stated before this is a very tight fit. Growler does not recommend any tire over 26x4.9". You will get frame rub using a tire of this size especially if your wheel or tire is not true and has any type of wobble. This is also only possible on our rigid setups. The Rochshox Bluto does not have the spacing to allow for anything larger then a 26x4.8" (Surly Bud & Lou).

    Here is the link
    https://youtu.be/GjF9GRx_Ld0

    As soon as I hear back from Raceface I will let you know.

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    Cool, thanks for the great video showing the tire mounted. It does look too tight to ride safely, but it's nice to see that it can be done. Those are 80mm rims right?

    When it comes to the q factor though it looks like it's actually 233mm not 193mm

    The amount of space pertruding out from the 100mm bb shell point towards a 189,5mm spindle and with the turbine cinch that gives you 233mm q factor. Since the chain wheel is not flipped (it needs to be flipped when using a 169,5mm spindle) with a 197mm rear end I believe you've basically got the widest q factor setup as the bike is set up.

    Be careful with quoting too small numbers when it comes to q factor singe the market now gravitated towards tighter q and some people's knees require it. I was blown away when I saw you mention 193q and 2xl in the same thread, but alas that is an impossible dream.

    It does look like you could run the 169,5mm spindle on that bike though and that would shave off 20mm and take you to 213mm q. That would require flipping the chain wheel though, but it would make it a much better ride. Try it.

    Maybe the next sl cranks on a 169,5 spindle could fit too that would give you 203mm q, but I believe the crank arms would hit the chainstays.

    I think the smallest achievable q is 213 on your frame with turbines and a 169,5 spindle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    Hi Bikeny,

    I love your passion for American Made American Built bikes. I am also very glad that you are supporting these brands. One of my personal goals is to one day be able to completely manufacture my bikes in my factory in the United States. Hire retired or disabled veterans who are struggling to find jobs or who are just struggling to get back into society. The hell these men and women have to go through to keep us safe is beyond the imagination of the average American public. Maybe my goals will never works out but I have made the personal commitment that as my company grows and when positions open up within my company that these individuals will have first dibs at them.

    When it come to too expensive that is all relative to the person making the purchases. I know that I personally on a public servants salary and with a wife and 3 kids would not have the financial means to purchase a Jones Ti 27.5+ for $4000 but that doesn't mean that there are not other like yourself who can afford those amazing and beautiful bikes. I will never hate on you for doing so. I just hope that if you ever join me on a group ride that you let me have a spin on it. haha!

    As for supporting local business. Growler Bikes has partnerships with a couple of them. All of our wheels are built by Craig from Mendon Cycle Smith. He is one of the best lefty shock and wheels builders in the nation not to boot just an all around amazing bicycle mind. Our bikes are powder coated and labeled at a company called Qualicoat and the labels for the bikes are locally produced as well. The more I can bring in house the better it is for our brand but that takes lots of financial resources. We as a company are just not at those levels yet. Soon my friend. Very soon!

    Thanks for the comment and have fun out on the trails!

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    Thank you very much for the well thought out response! Supporting veterans is always a worthy endeavor, so good on you there. Craig building your wheels is also a big plus as far as I'm concerned. I just looked up Qualicoat, and they are also a local establishment, so more points for you! I also appreciate a fellow New Yorker getting into the game! So it does sound like you are doing things the right way. Hopefully you can get yourself established and branch out from there.

    And yeah, I do realize most people can't afford a US made frame these days, which is a shame. I am super grateful that I can afford it, so choose to support US builders when it makes sense. As part owner of an Engineering and manufacturing company, I know it's tough these days to actually produce things in the USA. It seems to me that nobody actually makes anything in the US anymore!

    I'm guessing the comments about the Jones come from my profile? I guess I need to get that updated! I did have a second hand Jones for a while, but have moved on from that, so sorry, you can't ride it! Unfortunately, I'm in way southern NY, so a long way from Rochester.

    I know you're just getting off the ground, but consider getting dedicated dedicated Plus frames/bikes. A fat bike with plus wheels is fun and all, but it's not the same thing. Narrower hub and BB spacing go a long way.

    Anyway, sorry for the long winded response. I will be keeping an eye on Growler and wish you the best of luck with your new company.

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    Y'all didn't show up. And didn't cancel. (publicly).


    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    Hi Burtronix,

    Saturday is starting to look a little rough. We will probably cancel the 8am group ride just so that we don't damage the trail but will keep the demo day live.

    Hopefully we will see you on the trail soon!

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    Y'all didn't show up. And didn't cancel. (publicly).
    August West,

    My apologies for not announcing the cancellation on this thread. I did cancel the event due to the weather not clearing up at all over the past 36 hours yesterday on the growler Meetup group. The trails were too wet for the group ride. The practice area was also too wet even for the demos. Usually Dryer Road Park dries very fast but there has been no break in the weather.

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    Nice video - and as usual, learnin stuff from experienced heads in here. Appreciate the discussion with Andy and you already know I appreciate your support of veterans etc.
    Keep it up!

    I hope to see a few reviews/discussions from MTBR members once they start getting them shipped out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    Hi Burtronix,

    Saturday is starting to look a little rough. We will probably cancel the 8am group ride just so that we don't damage the trail but will keep the demo day live.

    Hopefully we will see you on the trail soon!

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    Hey Wheels,

    Let us know the reschedule date for demos. I talked you up after a group ride down here, & there might be interest in a road-trip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy81 View Post
    Cool, thanks for the great video showing the tire mounted. It does look too tight to ride safely, but it's nice to see that it can be done. Those are 80mm rims right?

    When it comes to the q factor though it looks like it's actually 233mm not 193mm

    The amount of space pertruding out from the 100mm bb shell point towards a 189,5mm spindle and with the turbine cinch that gives you 233mm q factor. Since the chain wheel is not flipped (it needs to be flipped when using a 169,5mm spindle) with a 197mm rear end I believe you've basically got the widest q factor setup as the bike is set up.

    Be careful with quoting too small numbers when it comes to q factor singe the market now gravitated towards tighter q and some people's knees require it. I was blown away when I saw you mention 193q and 2xl in the same thread, but alas that is an impossible dream.

    It does look like you could run the 169,5mm spindle on that bike though and that would shave off 20mm and take you to 213mm q. That would require flipping the chain wheel though, but it would make it a much better ride. Try it.

    Maybe the next sl cranks on a 169,5 spindle could fit too that would give you 203mm q, but I believe the crank arms would hit the chainstays.

    I think the smallest achievable q is 213 on your frame with turbines and a 169,5 spindle.
    Hi Andy,

    Sorry it took a few days. I wanted to verify the information once again with Raceface before posting it on the thread.

    The Q factor for The Growler Mr. Big Stuff using the Raceface Turbine Cinch (RF189) is 233mm and the Chainline is 78.5mm.

    I do apologize for the incorrect information previously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burtronix View Post
    Hey Wheels,

    Let us know the reschedule date for demos. I talked you up after a group ride down here, & there might be interest in a road-trip.
    Burtronix,

    I will absolutely let you know when the next demo day will be! I could also bring the demo down to you. Not to mention it gives me a chance to ride some new trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    Burtronix,

    I will absolutely let you know when the next demo day will be! I could also bring the demo down to you. Not to mention it gives me a chance to ride some new trails.

    Wheels!
    Cool! I'll find out who's up for it & we can PM the specifics.
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    WOW, I'm VERY impressed with the responsiveness to the questions on the thread. Not many people get this type of look inside what seems to becoming the norm for small company internet sales. If I had not just purchased a semi-fat ride I'd be extremely interested.
    Congrats and keep up the good work.
    The video was an excellent way to show your point.
    I will be reading along to watch the growth of your company and look forward to seeing the bikes in the flesh if you get down to SE PA somewhere down the line.

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    If you'd like to add a bit more versatility and toughness to the front end of the bikes consider offering the Wren fork not just the Bluto.
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    Hi everyone,

    I know a couple of you were interested in demoing the Growler Bikes. To celebrate Global Fat Bike Day we will be hosting the largest gathering of Fat Bike Riders Western NY has ever seen on December 3, 2016 at 8am at Dryer Road Park in Victor NY. Below are more details:

    December 3rd, 8am, at Dryer Road Park(7405 Dryer Road, Victor NY, 14564)Growler Performance Fat Bikes is hosting the largest gathering of Fat Bike Riders ever to come together in Western NY to celebrate Global Fat Bike Day. Group ride starts at 8am followed by Growler Performance Fat Bike Demo Day until noon. Growler will be demoing its full line of Fatties, 27.5+, and 29+ plus we will have some freebies to give out. We have groups coming from Syracuse, Buffalo, Rochester, and the Southern Tier. Its going to be epic. Bring your fatties and lets ride!

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    Wheels,

    Where is the info on this? I'm not no FB so any info would be great. Thanks.

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    Branner!

    To celebrate Global Fat Bike Day Growler Performance Bikes will be hosting an epic event at Dryer Road Park(7405 Dryer Road, Victor NY, 14564) at 8am on December 3, 2016.

    We will start with a huge group ride. It appears that we will have an epic showing of fatties so we will run three groups: A beginner, intermediate, and advance. Make sure that you bring your proper safety gear and hydration.

    After the rides end, Growler Performance Fat Bikes will have all of their bikes available for demoing until noon. We will have the Mr. Big Stuff(Fatty), Mudwasp(27.5+), and Gypsy(29+) available and a bunch of freebies to hand out. We are expecting lots of riders and a great showing.

    So if you have a fatty or not grab your bikes and join us for a killer fall ride at Dryer Road Park.

    I will also shoot you a private message. If anyone has any questions please feel free to contact me here or at [email protected].

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    Thanks, Wheels!

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    Dang!
    I'm actually off work that day!
    Almost makes me want to hop on a plane!
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    Well... after a few months of intense shopping for fatbikes, decided to pull the trigger and order the Growler. New ride should be at my doorstep in a few weeks, ready in time for some snow fall, psyched!

    Was on the fence between this lesser-known rig and the Specialized Fat Boy. After talking/emailing with Wheels (Growler Bikes owner) a few times I'm convinced this bike is a great value for the money.

    Was also appealing for me they're a smaller U.S. based company with a more hands-on approach than some of the big guys (Where else can you deal directly with the owner?)

    Looks like Xmas is coming early, will try to post some pics once the new horse arrives. Peace, Out!
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    Hi Everyone,

    Many have asked for more information on our demo event on December 3, 2016 so here you go. If anyone has any questions please feel free to reach out to me.

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    I wanted to also speak to the wonderful customer service and passion that Wheels has for this. I have been working with him on a very special to me Fat Bike and his vision and excitement is contagious. He seems to know exactly what I want and he goes way beyond in making it happen. This is where you next bike should come from.

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    I had an ice cream truck order go well into the new year and stumbled across your thread.

    The fatty looks saucy. Is there a way to do a different wheel setup than the default? Really want to do my other brother darryls with bud and lou (or shipped without wheels and could have lbs rig it up)

    Also, how much of a difference is there stepping up to the sram eagle? Much wider range of gearing? I like to stomp down hard on the flats and a normal 1by doesn't give me the full speed i feel like i could produce

    Hope to figure something out would like to support a fellow smallbiz

    Lastly any more info on the paint customization would get my trousers tight! (Colors, frame and fork can be different, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOCTORFUDGEPIPE View Post
    I had an ice cream truck order go well into the new year and stumbled across your thread.

    The fatty looks saucy. Is there a way to do a different wheel setup than the default? Really want to do my other brother darryls with bud and lou (or shipped without wheels and could have lbs rig it up)

    Also, how much of a difference is there stepping up to the sram eagle? Much wider range of gearing? I like to stomp down hard on the flats and a normal 1by doesn't give me the full speed i feel like i could produce

    Hope to figure something out would like to support a fellow smallbiz

    Lastly any more info on the paint customization would get my trousers tight! (Colors, frame and fork can be different, etc.)

    ~DrFudge
    DrFudgePipe!

    Glad you found us. We only stock the Sunringle Mulefut 80SL but do have access to the Surly My Other Brother Rims. They would be matched to our Sunringle SRC hubs as we use a 197mm rear hub and a 150mm front hub. Because all of our wheels are hand built we can easily make this request happen it will just take an extra week to have them assembled.

    The Sram Eagle 1x12 is an amazing drive train. It is by far the best shifting drivetrain I have every ridden. That is incredible considering how far the rear derailleur has to be manipulated to compensate for a 10t and a 50t on the same cassette. With that being said there are also a couple of things you can do to improve the usability of a 1x11 as well. We use a 32t front chainring as our standard setup but based on a customer's needs we can modify the front chainring to a larger or smaller ring as needed based on request.

    One of my favorite options Growler offers is the customization of the paint scheme. We have worked with many customers who are requesting some pretty sick one off Growlers. Everything from a simple custom base color frames with custom logos to an insane WWII build to honor a customers grandfathers who was a great aviator for our United States Military during WWII. If you can think of it I can deliver. Please let me know what you are thinking and I will send you a mock up of your build.

    I am sure a couple of the members on this thread can attest to how much fun it is to create a one off Growler bike build.

    Hopefully this was helpful.

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    Doctor Wheelies,
    Thank you for the reply. I'd love to see pictures of What others have done. What is the best means of communication with you? At my behest please no string and soupcan as mine is being fixed

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    Wheels!
    I spend too much time on your site for someone who's not buying for a while.
    Sounds like for a lot of the customization we can just ask... I don't see anything for colors on the site - do we just ask you for a color - maybe pick out the basics and go from there or do you have a palette somewhere?

    The eagle does look really amazing.... I've started with an X5 and it's solid, but whether I go for the stock GX or upgrade I'm sure it will rock!
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    I can answer to the question of colors and ideas. I emailed Wheels and told him my vision. In no time he presented me with an awesome mockup and then it just went from there. His passion for this shows and he has great ideas on how to make your dream come alive.

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    I just wanted to say this is impressive. A website easier to navigate than most big names', a product where you get to speak to the mind behind instead of a minimum wage clerk, components sourced from the biggest names with real-world experience and a warranty from someone who has stake in the game. Sure, some of you could build these from frames for similar $$ but coming from someone who's started, developed and sold several small companies these people have done, and continue to do what appears to be a hell of a job. I ride a Lefty Cannondale and am happy with it, but my son has worn his out and will be going this way. My $.02. Happy riding. And keep up the good work Growler!

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    PhdPepper,

    Half the fun of choosing your next bike is spending a few months dreaming about all of the possibilities. The day will come when you will be shredding in the woods on your few fatty with a custom design. We have something in the works called the Color Lab. It is currently in beta and will be available in a few weeks. When that program is up and running on the website all you will have to do is select a color combination that is available. If for some reason you can't find the combination you are looking for you can always email me at [email protected].

    As for now you can just email me your request and we can brainstorm some sick ideas. I will usually give you a mock up of the bike build concept you are looking for. It is one of my favorite things to do with my customers except for getting out on the trail and riding.

    Please feel free to email your ideas and I will be glad to send you concept drawings.

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    any plans to do XL frames?
    Rigid SS 29er
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    Stop asking how much it weighs and just go ride it.

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    Hi OneSpeed,

    We do not currently have a XL frame option but one will be available for next years models. Currently we offer a Small(15.5"), Medium(17.5"), and a Large (19").

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    Hi everyone,

    I have been getting asked quite often over the past few weeks what colors we are able to produce on Growler Bikes. I launched a new section on our site call the Color Lab. It will give you a better idea on what is possible when you order a Growler Performance Fat Bike with a custom powder coat and logo option. If for some reason you can't find the color combination on the site that you would like please feel free to shoot us a message and I will work with you to get exactly the color you are looking for.

    Color Lab - Growler Fat Bikes

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    Custom Powder Coated Frames

    I also thought some of you would like to see the process at which we create some of these one off frame designs. Enjoy!

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    Just want to say, so far I've been super impressed with my experience with working with Willo ("Wheels") on my Growler bike order. Last week he reached out to me and actually said I could pick out both my frame color and logo color....how many bike companies do that!

    Btw- The gray frame and ice blue logos in the pics above are my Growler bike, super cool to see my actual bike in the assembly...thanks for posting those Wheels! Looks awesome, can't wait!!!

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    Awesome pictures! Very cool to see these bikes being built.
    Congrats.

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    Great looking nicely equipped bikes at a fair price an hour away from me. I really don't need another FB but Growler does have my interest. Just wondering if there are any design/geometry/handling comprises made in a frame designed to accommodate all the offered wheel sizes. Happy Thanksgiving!

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    Sounds like bang for the buck and I like the custom color options.

    Are there any online reviews anywhere?

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    Hi tm3!

    We do not have any perfessional reviews of our bikes. To be honest I am hesitant to do so as many of the reviewers wanted to be paid for the reviews. It's hard to get honest good and bad reviews of a product when we are paying them big bucks. I have reach out to anyone who has spent a fare amount of time in the saddle on our demo bikes and asked them to jump on here to offer their honest opinions of our bike. Hopefully as customers bikes arrrive they will give their unsolicited opinions. I would rather my customers know what they are really buying then read a bunch of fluff in magazine.

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    Hi guys,

    New to the threads here. I met Wheels about 6 weeks ago through a group meet up at Dryer road park. My first thought after showing up and seeing these bikes was more or less indifferent. I was riding a Kona Wo that I'd had for about a year and thought was just fine. I showed up to ride the next week and decided that, after watching some of the guys riding these bikes tear up the trails and me struggling to keep up, that I wanted to try one out. Th next week I took out the 27.5+ and couldn't believe how well it climbed compared to my fatty, which I thought did a great job on the hills. What really hooked my interest was how fresh I felt after a 2 hour ride. My Kona was a rigid, which I didn't realize left me feeling shot after a ride of the same time and on the same trails, had me thinking maybe this would be a better choice of bike for me.
    I was sold on the 27.5+ frame after riding in absolute crap conditions for about 3 hours in Harriet Holister park in Canandaigua one night. In really wet/nasty conditions, the Mudwasp felt really secure, comfortable, and some how ready to keep riding after almost three hours. This ride is what prompted me to decide to sell my Kona and commit to a 27.5+. My experience is that these are well-thought out bikes. Solid components, small company mindset, and for the price, you couldn't build a bike on your own. I'll get mine this week and can't wait to get back on it.

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    Andy!

    Thanks for jumping on and giving your feedback on the bike. Andy's bikenis the Jolly Rancher green bike in the above photos.

    As everyone receives their bikes please jump on the forum and give your honest feedback on the bike, shipping, customer service and any other aspect of purchasing and owning a Growler Bike that you believe others would like to hear about.

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    Hi everyone, I don't own a Growler Performance Fat Bike, but Wheels let me test one out for a few days, so I can provide some thoughts / feedback...

    Being a factory direct bike, you get a lot for your money. The frame is hydroformed aluminum with internal cable routing. It’s produced by Kinesis manufacturing in Taiwan, and for those that don’t know, Kinesis is an experienced frame manufacturer in the bike industry. They produce, or have produced, frames for mainstream bike companies like GT, Jamis, Raleigh, Kona, Felt, and Diamondback, to name a few. As a result, Growler is confident enough to offer a 5 year guarantee on their frames. The model I tested (Mr. Big Stuff) came with a Rock Shox Bluto fork, SunRingle Mulefut 80sl tubeless wheels, Magura MT5 dual piston brakes, Race Face Turbine crank & chainring, SRAM GX1 11 speed shifter and derailleur, Surly Bud & Lou 4.8 tires, FSA Carbon 750mm handlebar, carbon seatpost, WTB Volt saddle, and a SRAM 10-42 cassette. This winter setup weighed in at 32 pounds on my scale, but with a rigid fork and different tires it would be easy to get into the sub 30 pound range, which is more than respectable for this price range.

    On the trail this bike was fun to ride. The geometry was great, putting the rider into a neutral position that was good for both climbing and descending. Shifting was spot on in every gear, and the chainguide was a nice touch. I found it to be quite maneuverable despite the big knobby 4.8 tires, and can imagine that with different tires and a dropper post this bike would be a blast in every season. That said, this bike is compatible with both 27.5+ and 29+ wheelsets, so in addition to fun, it’s also versatile.

    If you can get over the fact that this is not a "name brand" bike, and that the paint job might not be the most durable, what you get is a quality frame with many customizable options for a terrific price! And, as many of you can tell from his posts, Wheels is a solid guy that will bend over backward to answer your questions honestly and will go out of his way to give you a positive buying experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    Hi tm3!

    We do not have any perfessional reviews of our bikes. To be honest I am hesitant to do so as many of the reviewers wanted to be paid for the reviews. It's hard to get honest good and bad reviews of a product when we are paying them big bucks. I have reach out to anyone who has spent a fare amount of time in the saddle on our demo bikes and asked them to jump on here to offer their honest opinions of our bike. Hopefully as customers bikes arrrive they will give their unsolicited opinions. I would rather my customers know what they are really buying then read a bunch of fluff in magazine.

    Wheels!
    The customization of these bikes is great, and thanks for answering all the questions, Wheels! I'm curious if the frames have been tweaked at all from that of the Motobecane Sturgis/Nighttrain? I know you mentioned a process of making adjustments, but they look the same, and the geo appears the same. I've been riding that frame for a while, and the quality fit and finish is great, and really been digging it in all conditions over the past year.

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    Hi dayooper,

    Thanks for the input. That is a good catch that I haven't seen yet. I am not sure who manufacturers the Motobecane although they do look similar. It is possible that they are using a similar open source frame design as us with their own modifications to distinguish themselves from others. There appears to be a slight difference between the geometries in particular the head tube angle. We use the same head tube angle as the Mukluk which is 69°. We also have a couple of other items that I don't believe the Motobecane has which might be based on our customization of our open source frame. We have the chain guard, extra points to secure the brake cables, and the biggest is the Pannier mounts on the down tube. You don't see them in our photos but on the production bike they are there. I might order one of their frames just to see what they have going on.

    Our build kit is much different as well. We include the carbon bars and seat post, make the wheels fully tubeless, and finally the ridiculously overpowered Magura MT5 Brakes. We also offer the full paint customization to go along with it.

    With that being said I ran across a guy last year in a 24hr race that was running a Night Train and he raved about it. This guy had a few modification to it but it was a beautiful bike.

    Thanks for the input once again.

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    Thanks very much Wheels! I didn't notice the HT angle difference. Yeah, you've got some nice builds, and love the custom paint. I think what you're doing is great...keep up the good work, and good luck to you!

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    Hey everyone, after about a month of brainstorming and no less that 48 emails back and forth between Wheels and myself. We have finally finished my design and I pulled the money trigger this morning to get it started. Wheels has been the most patient person to deal with my constant flip flopping of ideas. Do not hesitate to work with him on whatever you want. He bends over backwards for you and cares more about making the perfect build then he does just selling a bike. I am totally stoked for this build and if it looks like any of the other builds he has going on it will be amazing. Now I just have to be patient, that will be the hardest part for me.

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    Alright, So I finally got out on the new Mr. Big Stuff/Mudwasp today....

    Couldn't be happier. I felt faster on the descents and climbs. Fresher after 2 hours than I usually do, and (a little) upset that I had to leave to take my daughter to meet Santa.
    In all honesty, this was as refreshing of a ride as I could've hoped for. The bike maneuvered really sharply, it felt almost effortless at times with the climbing, and was just a lot of fun to ride. Please, if you're considering a new fat bike, give Growler a chance. Wheels builds a hell of a bike at a great price.

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    Was out at Dryer park in Victor, NY Saturday for a Global Fat Bike day ride. Growler was there and offered up a fat bike for me to ride. So I rode it for the duration of about 2+ hours and traveled about 9 miles. I am not a fan of jumping on an unknown bike and riding for any amount of time but I will have to say I was very impressed. The bike is lightweight, handles extremely well and is very well balanced. Couldn't be more impressed with the Growler guys also. They offered up demos throughout the day and answered questions. It sounds like they are willing to take the time to be sure their customers get a bike setup exactly how they want it. I am not just saying that because they provided free beer and hot dogs at the event. If you haven't checked them out yet, I would highly recommend it! Nice work Wheels.

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    Which bike did you take out?

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    Good Question. I was trying to recall but sorry I can't. Wheels should be able to let you know. It was a white size medium with rigid fork. They swapped out some skinny tires and put fat on there for me.

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    You had the mudwasp. That frame is interchangeable with the fat tires. That's what got but with the bluto fork. Mine was the green one on display.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoEpiscopo View Post
    Which bike did you take out?
    Hi Everyone,

    JMunger took the Growler Mr. Big Stuff. It was setup originally as a Mudwap(27.5+). With the quick swap of the wheelsets he was off and running on a fatty.

    How was your Growler Mr. Big Stuff Saturday?

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    Good to know. Thanks WoEpiscopo. One thing I failed to mention is that we had 8 guys from the Oneida area in our group. Everyone was very impressed. Looking forward to seeing Growler out towards Oneida in January.

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    Bout to pull the trigger on a MB Sturgis Bullet ... convince me otherwise?

    Howdy GrowlerBikes / Wheels!

    I'm really stoked (er, bummed) that I happened upon this thread. I OP'd a thread just yesterday about my re-entry into the MTB fray. Once I get over my commitment level, I think I'm going to get something ordered (soon).

    The last MTB I owned was a Rockhopper (18 years ago) from a buddy of mine. He paid in excess of $1K for and I got for "a song and dance." That bike was stolen about 10 years ago and I've been too busy being a good little tax-paying citizen to replace it. Well, my boys are old enough now to tear-up some trails and we're going to tear it up with manpower rather than horsepower (I grew up riding dirt bikes too.)

    Anyway, I had settled my 'top of the wallet' choices down to the Framed MN 3.0 (w/Bluto) and the BD, Motobecane Sturgis Bullet (w/Bluto). I sure have learned a lot in the last couple of months concerning the incredible variances in component quality of these bikes. Certainly the Mr. Big Stuff (w/Bluto) is worth very penny you ask...but takes me $400 out of my self-assigned "comfort zone."

    That being said, based on the clear upgrades on the MBS (over the Bullet)...again, your price seems quite competitive. And with that long-winded intro ...I have some questions ferya.

    The one thing that has concerned me about the mail-order bikes is the oft-repeated comment that purchasers typically feel it necessary to tear-down much of the bike for re-lubing, setting of correct torque-spec, etc.
    • Can you comment on your delivery quality?
    • Can I expect to receive the bike, install the front wheel/tire, adjust the seat height...and hit the trails?
    • Since you assemble the bikes here (and they haven't just arrived in a box from an Asian freighter) ...I assume the assembly quality is much higher?



    Since I had capped myself at $1500, reaching out to $1900 is tough (but doable & justified if I'm ready to commit to being a regular rider). Then I see that I have to absorb another $150 in shipping costs. Ouch.

    • Why so high?
    • From date of order, what is the average delivery time?


    I might as well be considered "a newb." I've ridden something on two wheels my whole life; however, it has been quite a while since I donned a leg-powered roller. While I would never expect you (GrowlerBikes) to tell me "No" ...perhaps this question is for other members of the forum

    ....is the MBS "too much bike" for me to dive back into riding MTB?

    How long as Growler Bikes been around? I don't see anything on the website about how long you've been in business.

    I appreciate any and all candid answers. Thank you in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grimacetimus View Post
    Howdy GrowlerBikes / Wheels!

    I'm really stoked (er, bummed) that I happened upon this thread. I OP'd a thread just yesterday about my re-entry into the MTB fray. Once I get over my commitment level, I think I'm going to get something ordered (soon).

    The last MTB I owned was a Rockhopper (18 years ago) from a buddy of mine. He paid in excess of $1K for and I got for "a song and dance." That bike was stolen about 10 years ago and I've been too busy being a good little tax-paying citizen to replace it. Well, my boys are old enough now to tear-up some trails and we're going to tear it up with manpower rather than horsepower (I grew up riding dirt bikes too.)

    Anyway, I had settled my 'top of the wallet' choices down to the Framed MN 3.0 (w/Bluto) and the BD, Motobecane Sturgis Bullet (w/Bluto). I sure have learned a lot in the last couple of months concerning the incredible variances in component quality of these bikes. Certainly the Mr. Big Stuff (w/Bluto) is worth very penny you ask...but takes me $400 out of my self-assigned "comfort zone."

    That being said, based on the clear upgrades on the MBS (over the Bullet)...again, your price seems quite competitive. And with that long-winded intro ...I have some questions ferya.

    The one thing that has concerned me about the mail-order bikes is the oft-repeated comment that purchasers typically feel it necessary to tear-down much of the bike for re-lubing, setting of correct torque-spec, etc.
    • Can you comment on your delivery quality?
    • Can I expect to receive the bike, install the front wheel/tire, adjust the seat height...and hit the trails?
    • Since you assemble the bikes here (and they haven't just arrived in a box from an Asian freighter) ...I assume the assembly quality is much higher?



    Since I had capped myself at $1500, reaching out to $1900 is tough (but doable & justified if I'm ready to commit to being a regular rider). Then I see that I have to absorb another $150 in shipping costs. Ouch.

    • Why so high?
    • From date of order, what is the average delivery time?


    I might as well be considered "a newb." I've ridden something on two wheels my whole life; however, it has been quite a while since I donned a leg-powered roller. While I would never expect you (GrowlerBikes) to tell me "No" ...perhaps this question is for other members of the forum

    ....is the MBS "too much bike" for me to dive back into riding MTB?

    How long as Growler Bikes been around? I don't see anything on the website about how long you've been in business.

    I appreciate any and all candid answers. Thank you in advance.
    Hi Grimacetimus!

    I will start at the top and answer the questions in order but in reality this is just one solid answer.

    Shipping Quality: We use FedEx for all of our deliveries. We quote 5 days for shipping but usually arrives within 4 days of notification unless it is traveling to Alaska or outside of the United States. You will be given the tracking number so that you can follow along with your shipment and you will be notified if there are any delays via FedEx.

    Bike assembly upon delivery: This was an important aspect for us. We had a special box designed so that we can deliver our bikes completely built and needing no adjustments. When you receive your bike you will pull the bike out of the box, attach the front tire with thru axle, insert seat, and off you ride. Nothing more is needed. The handlebars and stem are completely assembled and torqued to manufacturers specs.

    Assembled in Farmington NY: You are absolutely correct. Our bikes are built from scratch to each customers specific request. That includes the hand built wheels. Once our customers decide on the custom powder coat and label colors the bicycles head to the paint shop and wheels off to the wheels builder. Once paint has been completed the bicycles will head over to the warehouse where the bicycle will be assembled and tuned by hand and to manufacturer specs. The benefit is that the bike will be delivered ready to ride right out of the box.

    Shipping: Our cost of shipping is $150 because of the way we deliver the bicycle. Our box is huge and allows us to ship the bike completely assembled and tuned ready to ride. This eliminates the need for our customers to either build up and tune the bike themselves or worst pay someone else to do so.

    Shipping Time: We estimate 10 business days to custom build your brand new Growler Performance Fat Bike from ground up. Shipping is estimated at 5 days. Times will usually be a day or two faster.

    We launched Growler Performance Fat Bikes this year. As with any company it will take time to get the word out but as you will see there has been good feed back about not only working with us but our bike quality and performance. I always encouraged anyone who has purchased a Growler Performance Fat Bike to join the forum and give their honest opinion of their interactions with Growler. I strive to make this experience as personal as I possibly can. 90% of the time when you decide to purchase a Growler Mr. Big Stuff you will be in contact with me. I will work with you on your personal color concepts and logo designs. Throughout the process I always send photos of the bike after paint, during the build and prior to shipping. I want you to have the opportunity to watch your bike being created. Also if there is something that you would like to have changed we can make that happen on the fly.

    As to how much of a bike a person needs is really up to what the rider's end goals are. The idea to the Growler bikes are that we have already made the upgrades that many riders do after they buy their bikes. Our bikes will be delivered tubeless so that you don't have to pay to have it done afterwards. We have also already upgraded your handlebars and seat post to carbon fiber and put the most powerful 4 piston hydraulic brakes we could find on the bike. The color is custom done for each customer so you will basically have a one off bike with high quality components at a reasonable price. Then we back all this up with a 5 year manufactures warranty on the frame.

    Hopefully this answered all of your questions. Please feel free to post again or you can email me directly at [email protected]. I hope to hear from you soon.

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    Growler,

    Thank you very much for the feedback. I've got some ponderin' to do on this. Ultimately, it might boil down to how much I can get my boys into the sport. I've just bought them some "better-than-wallyworld" bikes ...but still went pretty cheap since they are certainly more flaky than I about their hobbies (if that can be imagined). If they jump on their new bikes X-mas day and I have to peel them off to come play video games (LOL ...not likely...but if they ride a significant amount of time, it will be telling), I'll probably order something for myself the week after X-mas.

    There was one question I forgot to ask ...and it is probably more of a generic question. I see there are wildly varying opinions about going 1x10 or 2x10 (or x11). I notice that your MBS is a 1x. I understand some of the justification for the 1x (for snow / mud reasons) ...but most of the bikes I had settled in on prior to discovering the Growler MBS are all 2x10s.

    Can anyone shed more light on which would be best for me? I will have a mix of desert riding, single-tracks and some higher-elevation two-tracks. I live in Arizona so the riding opportunities are many and varied. While I might grin playing in some mud, I'm not likely to play in the snow too much (but who knows...if I can keep my desert-rat kids warm enough, we might ride in the snow.)

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    Grimacetimus,

    To get the kids involved in the sport it is always a good idea to find them a league to join or someone to coach them like the guys we have here locally called "Singletrack Academy" They teach the kids how to properly ride and in turn the kids enjoy the activity much more. I also like to go out to the races or pathetically actually race. My favorite is a 24hr race that we do locally. It is fun to have family and friends camped out sharing the sport that you love.

    As for the buying "better than wallyfworld" bikes. That was a smart idea until you know for sure how much interest they will have. The good news is that even if they don't jump on the trail with you every week they will still get a lot of use out of the better quality bike just tooling around the neighborhood with their friends. Also take a look at your local Meetup groups. I bet you will find guys just like yourself who just need a riding partner. I have met many great people just by joining the local fat bike Meetup.

    I run across the 1x vs 2x debate a lot. There are many benefits to using a 1x. First, you will lose about a pound of weight off of the bike. Personally this isn't as big of an issue as people make weight out to be but your bike will be lighter. If you are trying to make a fat bike lighter the most important aspect is the rotational weight of the wheels. Going tubeless has a huge effect on performance. Your bike will feel more lively. Move the wheels to carbon fiber and the bike turns into something completely different. We have been testing the carbon wheels and oh boy to they make a difference. Even more so then moving to a carbon frame. Secondly, you have less mechanical issues that may arise by removing the 2x and would reduce maintenance cost overall.

    Your decision comes down to two basic questions you have to ask yourself.

    1) Does the terrain I ride force me to use my smallest gear currently for many of my climbs? If it does then you have two choices. you could go 2x or you can adjust your front chainring from the standard 32t to a 30t or even a 28t. We set up bikes this way often. This would make the bike easier to push on a steep climb. The negative effect of a smaller chainring would be that your top end speed would be reduced. I have only found this to be an issue on the road going down hill.

    2) Is my conditioning strong enough to use a standard 1x11? This goes hand in hand with question number 1. You can modify the gearing relatively easily and we can set up the gearing to your liking before we send you the bike. Conditioning is an interesting animal. I find that most riders will adapt to the setup they have. If you use a 2x you will most likely always use the available gearing and the same would go for a 1x. If you chose 1x then you would adapt to the gear range that you have available.

    Lastly, you stated that you are wanting to get back into mountain biking. One of the most underrated things that I have noticed is how much more stable a fat bike or even a plus bike is compared to the traditional 29ers. Although 29ers will always be more nimble that is not always a good thing for a new rider. Nimble can often feel loose. The wider tires give a smoother more controlled platform. I find fatty riders rolling over obstacles easier as the tires spread over the trail and eat up rock gardens and roots. You will notice that you will slip a lot less. The same thing goes for climbing. A fat bike allows you to move your position over the handlebars farther while you are standing without losing traction. Add in more braking power as well. Especially when your using the Magura MT5 4 piston brakes with 180/180 rotors and the larger contact pad of the fatty tires and you have some serious stopping power. Lastly it is just a blast to see the fat ol tire out in front while you are crushing the trail.

    Hopefully someone else will chime in with their opinions as well. I try to give my personal experiences and not the company sales line but that does come out here and there.

    Wheels!

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    Grimacetimus,

    My Kona Wo was a 2x10 XT drivetrain. I liked how it climbed and how well it cruised. But sometimes I felt short on some of the really steep/long climbs or like I couldn't keep up on some of the faster trails (might have also been because I was riding 5"x4" tires all summer long too), but looking back, I was moving slower than a lot of the guys I was riding with.
    Going with the SRAM GX drivetrain, climbs are just a little bit easier than they were before, and having the quick access to whatever gear I want/need is really helpful. Most new bikes, especially higher-end set-ups are coming out with well well-designed 1x drivetrains, and that's what Wheels has on the growlers. It's a comfortable set up and really offers a lot of range that you can't get out of of a 2x set up. That and your clearance for obstacles increases with only one chainring. These are my two cents, I'm still new to the 1x set up but I love it already.

    Andy

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    Loving all the feedback on here folks ... thank you very much.

    Wheels ...

    1) I live in the Arizona Desert (Phoenix metro area). Truth is my riding is bound to be quite diverse. When I have both boys with me, we'll probably stay on the flats quite a bit with maybe just some rolling dry lake bed type stuff. When I venture out with my older boy, or perhaps by myself, I plan on some more challenging (but far from pro-level) rides. Could be a fair bit of climbing. The Usery Pass trail I want to tackle has 1500' of elevation change I believe ...thru thick desert landscape.

    2) I am decidedly out-of-shape. Part of my motivation is losing some weight / reconditioning. I'm a 45-year-old that is no less than 40# over my ideal weight. I'd like to lose even more than that, but 40# is the goal. So, I might need a more "granny" gearing in the beginning than 6mo - a year from now.

    WoEpiscopo ...thank you very much for the that. If I don't go with the Growler for some reason (which would be to spend less) ... it'll be tough to find a bike that isn't 2x9 or 2x10.

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    Grimacetimu,

    With that answer I think you know what your needs are. A 2x would be the right starting point for your capabilities. We do offer the SRAM GX 2x11 setup at no additional charge. The Raceface Turbine Cinch crankset that we offer can be easily converted back to a 1x by a LBS or you if you have the correct tools in under 15 minutes if you decide later that you no longer need the 2x. All you would need to purchase at that time is the appropriate chainring which run $40-$50. If you choose us or another bike company I think you know what you need to fit your riding style and physical condition. Getting the right equipment is half the challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    Grimacetimu,

    With that answer I think you know what your needs are. A 2x would be the right starting point for your capabilities. We do offer the SRAM GX 2x11 setup at no additional charge. The Raceface Turbine Cinch crankset that we offer can be easily converted back to a 1x by a LBS or you if you have the correct tools in under 15 minutes if you decide later that you no longer need the 2x. All you would need to purchase at that time is the appropriate chainring which run $40-$50. If you choose us or another bike company I think you know what you need to fit your riding style and physical condition. Getting the right equipment is half the challenge.

    Wheels!
    Thanks Wheels ... I've some thunkin' to do.

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    Hey one last thing to consider is this:

    My first mountain bike was a 29er from Bikes direct. Not a bad starter bike, but after about 6 months, I found myself wanting to upgrade components like shifters, tires, grips, etc. I then bought my Kona and thought I was set. Wrong. I again found myself not just wanting upgrades, but doing upgrades. I replaced my entire rear drive train, tires (plus a tubeless setup), brakes, and a few other things. I spent almost as much on the bike and upgrades as my Growler cost. Keep that in mind, as you ride, you'll find yourself wanting some nicer stuff eventually. And though you might save up-front, you'll more than likely end up spending as much if not even more eventually on better components. That's what I've learned in my time riding thee past few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grimacetimus View Post
    Thanks Wheels ... I've some thunkin' to do.
    IMO, since you are saying that you are >40 y.o., 40# overweight, and out of shape, one of the most important considerations for you is to get a bike with low enough gearing. If you blow your knees pushing too high of a gear you are not going to be happy. I'd shoot for a granny gear (lowest low gear) below 20 inches. Then after you get your new bike you want to be careful in setting the seat position correctly, especially the height.

    I understand setting a budget. I will add however that buying higher quality components is actually cheaper in the long run, and the satisfaction of having and using higher end stuff can be a motivator for getting out on the trail and putting in the miles.

    Good luck with your pick -- you are going to have a lot of fun!

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    Just wanted to let everyone know working with Willo is awesome. He is very responsive to questions and is dedicated to providing outstanding customer service. I knew from his first email reply to me, I would be purchasing my fat bike from him. Now I just have to choose a color...

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    Grimace,
    I agree - there are quite a few significant upgrades on the Growler bikes over BH/Framed - if you price them all out you be well over 2$ once you upgrade those bikes... I too am a recent entry/returner to MTB stuff and spent $1500 on a Trek - great bike IMO and well worth it. I think the extra $400-$600 on a Growler will likely be well worth it.
    I plan to grow from 2X to 1X on my next purchase but the 2X was a good place to start for someone who hadn't stood over pedals for 20 years....
    Good luck!

    (and yeah, IMO, DEFINITELY go for Growler over the similar Framed/BD bikes)
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    After three days on my new Growler I have to say I am thoroughly impressed with Willo and his bikes!
    The whole process was super easy with fantastic communication; any question or concern and he was there right away to help out.
    I will let the components and ability to get a custom paint job speak for themselves; the rides have been awesome with a bunch of little girl giggles along the snowy trails here in CO.
    The bike is fast, nimble, and a heck of a lot more fun than a few other fatties I have taken for a spin.
    Job well done Willo; I cannot wait to see what Growler becomes!

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    Well...

    ...I'm gonna do it! Just sent my email to Willo declaring my intent to get a new Growler Mr. Big Stuff (with Bluto). It's been a "long, windy trail" getting to this decision point and I am stoked, stoked, stoked. It's the holidays and I'm laying this on him right before the jingle-jingle, but maybe I can be trailbound no later than mid-Jan. C'mon 2017!!! Let's get my arse in shape and put on some (s)miles!


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    Grim,

    Very cool and congrats, although the hard part is now here, the waiting. And I even have a longer wait as I am overseas and won't be back till June, ugh it's killing me.

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    Grim,

    Very cool and congrats, although the hard part is now here, the waiting. And I even have a longer wait as I am overseas and won't be back till June, ugh it's killing me.
    op71,

    I just ordered your Ammo Box panniers and your bike headed to the paint shop for the custom OD green and yellow logos. I will send you some pics when it is completed. Until then be safe over there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    op71,

    I just ordered your Ammo Box panniers and your bike headed to the paint shop for the custom OD green and yellow logos. I will send you some pics when it is completed. Until then be safe over there.

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    Now I have GOT to see that when it's finished!!! Sounds fugawesome!

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    I've gotta say, after researching bikes for the last couple months due to being on disability for a surgery(I've got the time lol), I'm really interested in these Growler Performance bikes. I have a problem buying things, usually cars, that I'll buy and then continue to modify till I eventually either get sick of when I'm done or regret spending all the money on. With these bikes its literally buy it and ride it. I don't have to go tubeless or replace all the boat anchor parts. These are at the end of my pricepoint, but I really wont have to do anything to it. For the same money I could buy an Alaskan Alloy with a similar build, but with lesser wheels being the biggest difference. May pull the trigger on one of these in the new year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman39 View Post
    I've gotta say, after researching bikes for the last couple months due to being on disability for a surgery(I've got the time lol), I'm really interested in these Growler Performance bikes. I have a problem buying things, usually cars, that I'll buy and then continue to modify till I eventually either get sick of when I'm done or regret spending all the money on. With these bikes its literally buy it and ride it. I don't have to go tubeless or replace all the boat anchor parts. These are at the end of my pricepoint, but I really wont have to do anything to it. For the same money I could buy an Alaskan Alloy with a similar build, but with lesser wheels being the biggest difference. May pull the trigger on one of these in the new year
    Iceman39,

    I compared the Alaskan alloy to the Growler very extensively. You're right, the pricing is similar, but the Growler comes with the carbon bars, carbon seat tube, and decidedly better wheelset (that comes tubeless). I think the Framed came in at ~$1900 shipped, but the upgrades are worth $130-$170, so the price point is very similar. Throw in some other bonuses...

    1. Custom colors*
    2. Front wheel install and ride. Getting a 80-90% bike didn't worry me, but when I took stock of my current "To-do" list, the 99.5% install almost became a deal-maker for me. So now, it can just hang on the workstand for 2-week tune & pre-ride inspections.
    3. Willo (Weye-low)-What a cool dude. I can honestly say that I've never made a purchase quite like this one. Great experience and made a friend in the process. **


    * From my understanding, the color pallete on his website isn't exhaustive either (could be some small upcharge for non-standard color...don't know.)

    ** I come from a family that ran Mom & Pop boat and motorcycle businesses for 60+ years in a small city (pop. 50K). We all wrenched and we all sold. Willo's dedication to detail and getting you the bike you need/want is exactly the way we handled customer's in our small town. It's something we've all probably experienced, but it was really cool to get that in an online purchase. Back at "Lee's Motorcycles" and "Lee's Capitol Boat Sales" ...like Willo, we built a community of enthusiasts and it was beer:30 everyday at closing (which was usually the busiest time of the day for obvious reasons The only thing then really missing from my experience with Growler / Willo is the beer (but I reckon that day will eventually come.)

    Everyone have a happy & safe holidays.

    (Remember ...we have bikes & things like Uber/Lyft. Keep it safe out there compadres!)

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    Hey Willo,

    Great to see a local company doing well, I know well how challenging running a small business is ...especially in NY Good luck to you guys !
    That being said, I was wondering if you'd answer a couple questions for me ?

    1. What is the rigid for offering for the fatbike ? I didn't see it on the website...my bad if I missed it.

    2. Any plans to offer a carbon version of the Mr. Big Stuff in the future ?

    I went with the Framed Minnesota option a couple years ago....it's a great bike but probably not something I care to spend a lot to upgrade- so as things wear out I'll be looking to replace it ( one more season maybe )

    Merry Christmas everyone !

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyxcracer View Post
    Hey Willo,

    Great to see a local company doing well, I know well how challenging running a small business is ...especially in NY Good luck to you guys !
    That being said, I was wondering if you'd answer a couple questions for me ?

    1. What is the rigid for offering for the fatbike ? I didn't see it on the website...my bad if I missed it.

    2. Any plans to offer a carbon version of the Mr. Big Stuff in the future ?

    I went with the Framed Minnesota option a couple years ago....it's a great bike but probably not something I care to spend a lot to upgrade- so as things wear out I'll be looking to replace it ( one more season maybe )

    Merry Christmas everyone !
    nyxcracer,

    1. All of Willo's Growlers are offered as rigid-fork bikes. The Bluto is a $300 upgrade (pretty generous since they're hard to find new for less than $500).

    2. Growler Bikes has the E'Ville (that is carbon) but I think it's a 27.5+ FS bike.

    Can't wait to get my new Mr. Big Stuff!!

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    Hi nyxcracer & Iceman39!

    Sorry I didn't respond as fast as grimacetimus. Usually the forum alerts me when there are new post. For some reason it only alerted me when Grimacetimus responded the second time. Grimacetimus is the Growler community at its best. Thank you Grimacetimus for filling in for me buddy when I wasn't checking in on the forum. I promise when I get out to AZ I am taking you out for a beer or two.

    Grimacetimus and I have had many conversations over the past two weeks and he is exactly correct in everything he stated.

    Iceman - Grimacetimus responded to your post better then I could ever have because he had the opportunity to build his bike from your perspective. An interesting thing that might apply to you coming back from surgery and getting back on the bike after a hiatus would be exactly what we ordered for Grimacetimus. In his setup we gave him the largest gearing ratio possible. We set him up with the SRAM GX 2x11 running a 22/34 up front and a 11-42 in the rear. Depending on your terrain and usage this may be a very helpful way to get back in the saddle without over straining your abilities. And just as I suggested to Grimacetimus as you get stronger the Raceface Turbine Cinch crankset that we use is very easy to convert to a 1x11 if you ever want to. Also since you have some extra time on your hands I would recommend checking out the color lab on our website. Growler Fat Bikes. If you have a concept in your mind shot me an email and I will toss it into our programing and send your a couple drawings.

    nyxcracer - Once again Grimacetimus crushed it on the answers.
    1) We offer three fork options on our website.
    -Growler Mr. Big Stuff with the Growler Aluminum fork for $1600. 29lbs
    -The Growler Mr. Big Stuff with a Wren Carbon Fork is $1900. 28lbs
    -The Growler Mr. Big Stuff with a Rockshox Bluto 100mm suspension fork is $1900. 30lbs

    2) We are prototyping a new Carbon Fiber Fat Bike frame that will be available in next years lineup. It will run the exact same build options as the Growler Mr. Big Stuff.

    If you have any questions please feel free to post them here or you can email me at [email protected]

    Thanks again grimacetimus for all the help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    Thanks again grimacetimus for all the help!
    You're welcome ...and forgive me for butting-in.

    I see folks talkin' about Growler Bikes and I'm just like...

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    Thanks Grimacetimus and Wheels for your replies. You've given me better first hand information than I could have hoped to find elsewhere. Buying a Growler feels like a no brainer to me simply because I couldn't build something better for the price in my opinion. And this bike will show up at my door essentially ready to ride!

    I had wrist surgery for a torn ligament in my wrist. Work with my hands for 20 years with no big injuries and then I got into Spartan Races. I figure I'll be safer on two wheels. Been more of a runner in recent years, and really looking forward to pedaling more.

    Wheels, I've already been checking out the color lab, which is just awesome. After this holiday craziness is over I'll be sending you an email with some ideas.

    Everyone have a great Holiday

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    I'm still a Growler lurker since the Growler is my first choice for my next fattie - but I haven't even bought one yet!
    Still, just noticed Wheels added this page to the Growler Bikes & Brews page: Growler Fat Bikes - folks are posting some cool pics of their bikes there.
    Of course if you're reading this here feel free to post your Growler pics in this thread or over at the fatbike pic of the day thread(s).

    Happy New Years all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhdPepper View Post
    I'm still a Growler lurker since the Growler is my first choice for my next fattie - but I haven't even bought one yet!
    Still, just noticed Wheels added this page to the Growler Bikes & Brews page: Growler Fat Bikes - folks are posting some cool pics of their bikes there.
    Of course if you're reading this here feel free to post your Growler pics in this thread or over at the fatbike pic of the day thread(s).

    Happy New Years all!
    I must have looked at those pics 20x in the last week.

    Can't wait to get mine ...hoping by the end of next week! Until then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoEpiscopo View Post
    Hey one last thing to consider is this:

    My first mountain bike was a 29er from Bikes direct. Not a bad starter bike, but after about 6 months, I found myself wanting to upgrade components like shifters, tires, grips, etc. I then bought my Kona and thought I was set. Wrong. I again found myself not just wanting upgrades, but doing upgrades. I replaced my entire rear drive train, tires (plus a tubeless setup), brakes, and a few other things. I spent almost as much on the bike and upgrades as my Growler cost. Keep that in mind, as you ride, you'll find yourself wanting some nicer stuff eventually. And though you might save up-front, you'll more than likely end up spending as much if not even more eventually on better components. That's what I've learned in my time riding thee past few years.
    WoEpiscopo;
    If you don't mind me asking, how are the 3.5" tires for the mudwasp? nimble? Also your thoughts on the 69 degree HA?

    Looking to buy a plus bike for summer riding.

    Thanks!!

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    SpartyinWI,

    I know you are looking for WoEpiscopo's opinion but I would like to toss out some thoughts. We have two bikes that use plus tires. The Mudwasp which uses a 3.5" and the E'Ville which uses the 3.0". If we could have put the 3.5" on the E'Ville we would have. The 3.5" Fat B Nimble roll equally fast and have very similar tread patterns. What I like about the 3.5" is that it gives you just a little more traction on the climbs yet really flies down the trail. It also has a slightly larger volume which is nice when the terrain gets brutal. I don't race very often but when I do I use the mud wasp setup because of how fast it really is. The other cool part is that if you every wanted to you could swap out for the 29+ for really technical rides or fatties for nasty late fall through early spring rides. I am not sure where you are from but I will take a stab at WI based on your user name.

    As for the 69° headtube angle. When you combine this bike with the overall geometry the headtube angle fits very nicely. At 27lbs the bike feels very responsive and nimble through the trails.

    Once again I know you were looking for WoEpiscopo's opinion but I thought I would still comment.

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    Thanks Wheels,

    I wanted to also say that this bike with the 3.5" Fat B-Nimble tires climbed as well as any bike I've ever tried. I had my Kona set up really well for drawn-out climbs and even with the summer wheels on, I have the Mudwasp out on rainy-leaf covered trails for 2+ hours and had fewer slips than with my Kona. But set up now as a true fatty with a serious climinb tire in back, the only reason I dont make a climb is usually due to rider error/stupidity/laziness.

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    Thanks guys.

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    Christmas ain't over yet!

    So Willo sent me my teaser pics. Here's my frame.

    (I named "her" ..... "Phatallica" and Willo threw the name on her top tube for me.)

    The waiting is quite difficult...but I'm keepin' it together.

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    (Slow clap) Welcome to the family!

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    Looking good, grimacetimus! Like the name too!!

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    Grim,

    I love the name and your color choice. Wheels is great for adding these little personal touches to the bikes. I am still a week away from my teaser pics. So good to see these things coming together.

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    This is what I love the most about the Growler community. Grim is stoked about his new bike and everyone rushes in to drool right along side him. I am always amazed how awesome you guys are. Thanks for letting me be apart of this amazing ride and I hope that these new bikes lead you all on adventures that you never thought you would experience and make new friends that you never new you had.

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    DANG awesome Grimace!
    Can't wait for the ride reports!
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    Cool-blue Rhythm Thanks everyone

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    Looking good, grimacetimus! Like the name too!!
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    I love the name and your color choice. Wheels is great for adding these little personal touches to the bikes. I am still a week away from my teaser pics. So good to see these things coming together.
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    DANG awesome Grimace!
    Can't wait for the ride reports!
    Thanks guys! Definitely looking forward to the maiden voyage and beyond.

    Of my household of 6, my wife will be the only one without a bike (all four chitlins have bikes). We had a discussion about that last night and she's now thinking she wants a fattie too. I've never seen her ride a bike, so I asked her ..."When's the last time you rode a bike?" ...."When I was 9 years-old." (~26 years ago)

    Wha? Wha? What?!

    She grew-up with 5 other siblings in a military family and as her family bounced around from base-to-base, it became increasingly difficult for her family to keep & transport bikes for 6 kids. So...I'm not sure what I'll be getting her. I'm going to have her ride my boy's new $500-ish Haro MTB first. Then maaaaaaaybe let her try my Growler MBS (if she doesn't crash the Haro ). From there we'll decide what to get her. If she decides to get "super-serial" like me, there could be another MBS on order before summertime hits!!!

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    Well they say once you learn you never forget. I guess you will test that theory out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by op71 View Post
    Well they say once you learn you never forget. I guess you will test that theory out.
    "It's just like riding a bike..."

    With a 26-year gap, a near doubling of weight (she weighs ~130# today) and a much bigger bike with freewheel and cantilever brakes ......it should be interesting!

    Maybe I should have her ride my smaller boy's Haro BMX first.

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    Finally getting around to posting some pics of my new Growler. All I can say is extremely happy with the bike and the whole process. In addition to designing the paint/logo color scheme, "Wheels" let me add some upgrades I wanted, including a blue crankset (w/ smaller 30T chainring), blue rim strips and an XO rear derailleur. I threw on my Bud and Lou for the snow, happy to say both tires have gobs of clearance on this frame. Very happy so far, time to ride the hell out of it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potsy12 View Post
    Finally getting around to posting some pics of my new Growler. All I can say is extremely happy with the bike and the whole process. In addition to designing the paint/logo color scheme, "Wheels" let me add some upgrades I wanted, including a blue crankset (w/ smaller 30T chainring), blue rim strips and an XO rear derailleur. I threw on my Bud and Lou for the snow, happy to say both tires have gobs of clearance on this frame. Very happy so far, time to ride the hell out of it!
    Fine lookin' whip Potsy! T-minus four days until mine hits the doorstep and I simply cannot wait. I couldn't agree with you more about the process. Wheels was awesome with everything with my bike, including the personal touches.

    Can't recommend Growler Bikes enough.

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    I have been lurking / following this thread since the very first post. I am really psyched with what I have been reading. Hopefully, later this year I can work with Wheels on getting a new Fat Bike! I have loved my Framed Minnesota that I have had for the past 3 years, but I might have an upgrade in the future. I am following the Growler Facebook page too. Please keep posting pictures and reviews!

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    MPE - I've been lurking since the kickstarter days Like you I'll be designing one soon
    Potsy! Love the new wheels :P

    Grimace, agree with 'titrating' the wife up to the Mr Big Stuff heh. (BTW, careful... now we know the wife's age AND weight.... oops). I've been in & around the military for a couple and perhaps the frequent moves are why I hadn't been on a bike for a long time either, but a fatbike is just what the Dr ordered!

    As you know, my personal plan is to get a Growler in a couple months and my daughter will get my 'old' fattie.
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    Hey Guys, Its great to be a part of this and I have almost bitten off all my fingernails waiting for my first teaser shot to show up in my inbox. Its funny how all our stories just sort of line up with each other. Potsy I too like your ride and look forward to seeing it get dirty. My wife is also looking at joining me for rides and the kids are always ready to tag along. I am upgrading from a Boris X7 to the MBS, the Boris will be going to my 13 year old. Pepper, I appreciate what you said about the military and moving around, I am currently in the Democratic Republic of Congo and other than pictures I won't be able to see my MBS in person till June. Wheels has promised to take good care of it for me in the meantime. But it will be going with me to Bishkek Kyrgyzstan with me so I can hit those incredible mountains in style. But it is possible to bring these around and trust me when I say the Congolese people are not used to seeing a fat bike.

    Keep the pics coming guys of what you create, I love the fact that almost everyone one of these bikes will be different and personal to the owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPE View Post
    I have been lurking / following this thread since the very first post. I am really psyched with what I have been reading. Hopefully, later this year I can work with Wheels on getting a new Fat Bike! I have loved my Framed Minnesota that I have had for the past 3 years, but I might have an upgrade in the future. I am following the Growler Facebook page too. Please keep posting pictures and reviews!
    MPE ... I should have my new Growler MBS in less than three days (I'm not counting the hours or anything. )

    I plan on a series of video reviews and will post them here. Sure to be an egregious amount of pics too.

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    Grimace, agree with 'titrating' the wife up to the Mr Big Stuff heh. (BTW, careful... now we know the wife's age AND weight.... oops). I've been in & around the military for a couple and perhaps the frequent moves are why I hadn't been on a bike for a long time either, but a fatbike is just what the Dr ordered!

    As you know, my personal plan is to get a Growler in a couple months and my daughter will get my 'old' fattie.
    LOL - I'm no genius, and I'm no dummy ...but I had to lookup "titrating" with a huge 12 year-old grin on my face.

    If my wife was sensitive about her weight or her age ...believe me, I would have thought twice about the "too much information." She's about as cool as they come ...not sure how I got so damn lucky.

    We've talked about it a lot and I started looking at something more "entry." I found a 2013 Salsa Beargrease (Aluminum) that was spec'd out pretty nice; was tubeless; had brakes upgrade; and carbon bars/seatpost. The guy wanted $1400 which was just way too much based on my research. The bike was fairly clean, with normal chainstay marks ...but the drivetrain looked like it had never been cleaned. I offered him $900, we bounced a few emails back and forth and he came down to $1200. My high-side for the bike was definitely $900. So...no deal on that one.

    The more wifey & I talked, the more we decided to put a $750 cap on it, let her get her feet wet, and if she really likes riding, there'll definitely be another Growler in the family stable. I've honed-in on a Framed 3.0 XWT (rigid fork). I'm going to work pretty hard at getting her to ride ...get good on the Framed and then have her ride my Growler MBS a few times. I expect the 3.0 to be my oldest boy's by her birthday.

    Less than three days now!!!

    ~65 hours, 20 minutes left

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    So ... I have been refreshing my browser every 10-12 hours to see where my new Growler MBS is at in it's journey to it's new loving home. I just refreshed it a few minutes ago and my scheduled delivery day bumped from Wed 1/11 to Thu 1/12 .....

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    Hang in there! You'll live!
    The national weather crisis wasn't put there just to foil you!
    Snowing here too, one of my coworkers just called to say she was stuck in the snow.
    Makes me want to play hooky and get out there on my fattie!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhdPepper View Post
    Hang in there! You'll live!
    The national weather crisis wasn't put there just to foil you!
    Snowing here too, one of my coworkers just called to say she was stuck in the snow.
    Makes me want to play hooky and get out there on my fattie!
    So true...I was just being comically dramatic. I've been riding this roller coaster since late October (researching bikes, visiting LBS's, researching some more, ad infinitum). What's one more day? Technically, the seeds of Phattie lust were sown more than 6 years ago when the Surly and Salsa offerings expanded and started getting really cool. Definitely, I can wait one more day. (Lord help me that the weather holds and Thursday is actually "the day").
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    The Growler Community!

    op71, If you think you love all he conversation just imagine how humbled I am to have a personal relationship with each and every one of you guys. Although I have never met most of you I surprisingly know a lot about your lives just as you know a lot about my life. The Growler community was an unintentional but so very welcomed aspect of this company.

    grimacetimus - 2 more days and you will be rocking that new bike. I can't wait to see all the photos and videos. I especially want to see some photos when you and your buddy start the race in a few months. I love that you actually went all in and committed to the challenge.

    PhdPepper - We are just starting your masterpiece. You too will soon be rocking your new Growler!

    Lastly, I have a little teaser for everyone. I have intentionally not released to much information about this new fat bike because I know that the questions and emails will begin to fly but here is a photo of a new Carbon Fiber Fat Bike that we will be launching very soon. I don't have a price and can't release the specs just yet but I promise it will follow the same ideals as the Mr. Big Stuff. Great build kits on a great frame at a great price point. I will have more information to release in a few weeks.

    Don't mind the photo location. It is sitting on the island in my kitchen. I called it table art. My wife told me to get it out of her kitchen. Haha!

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    Wheels that is one sweet looking frame Sir. I am excited for you and look forward to seeing this come to life. You business concept and personal investment into the life of all of us is what makes Growler stand out from the rest in my book.

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    SWEET frame indeed!
    Love those curves.

    OP71, be safe out there brother.
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    Cool, when it's a go I'll take a road trip to western NY for a demo. Looking forward to meeting you guys!

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    Diggity, diggity...

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    Diggity, diggity...

    Congrats brother. Now stop stalling and rip that box open.

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    Why are you online and not out riding!!! Congrats!
    Can't wait to see it and hear your impressions!

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    Well ... I am technically working from home today. But I have taken it out of the box and have everything connected. I'll do some pre-ride on it and have some more pics/video to offer a little later this evening.

    Here it is comin' out of the shipping container (and evidence of how much weight I do need to lose)...

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    Nice video!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by grimacetimus View Post
    Well ... I am technically working from home today. But I have taken it out of the box and have everything connected. I'll do some pre-ride on it and have some more pics/video to offer a little later this evening.

    Here it is comin' out of the shipping container (and evidence of how much weight I do need to lose)...

    Thank you for making this video. I have personally never experience the unpacking of one our bikes after it was shipped across the country. I think after seeing this video I can can improve this process and I will spend some time adjusting how the bikes are packed. Although the bikes arrive completely assembled and that is a huge advantage I don't want to burden the customer with how difficult it was to remove the wrapping.

    Anyone have any thoughts on this process?

    Once again thanks for the video!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    Thank you for making this video. I have personally never experience the unpacking of one our bikes after it was shipped across the country. I think after seeing this video I can can improve this process and I will spend some time adjusting how the bikes are packed. Although the bikes arrive completely assembled and that is a huge advantage I don't want to burden the customer with how difficult it was to remove the wrapping.

    Anyone have any thoughts on this process?

    Once again thanks for the video!

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    Wheels,

    I really didn't have any complaints. As I stated on the video, I thought it was packed very well & thoroughly. Perhaps some preformed foam or structured cardboard is in the future of shipping development, but again...I'm quite satisfied with how Phatallica arrived and unpacked.

    I got 9# in the front and 10# in the back ...I've had her out and around the neighborhood and even played around slamming thru a little dry, river-rocked, run-off majigger I have in my front yard. The phattie + bluto just soakin' that stuff up like nuthin.'

    With my 230# ...I did pump-up the Bluto to 130#. Seems a little stiff now, but I'll play with it.
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    I'll try to get some better pics...Hope these help a little...




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    Grim, she looks sweet as hell. I'm going to be following your experience so you can iron out all the details for me before I get mine. Enjoy!!!

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    I just want to offer my support for Growler Performance Bikes. Last weekend, I held a fat bike group ride/demo in Genesee County, NY. Willo agreed to demo some of his fat bikes. Although it was very cold (about 10 degrees, with a biting wind chill), we had nearly 50 people show up, and Willo braved the elements and stood outside the pavilion while people demo'd his bikes. After speaking with a few of the riders, they all commented that the Growler bikes were very lightweight, handled quite well in the snow, and offered enough gearing to climb even the toughest hills in the park. If I was in the market for a new fat bike, Growler would be on the top of my list. Thanks Wheels!

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    Hey Bodie!
    We're you guys riding the stock tires, or were there upgrades on the bikes? I've been on babegazi 4.7s this winter, and while they're not considered the best, they handle the snow pretty well. I'm wondering if the stock nimbles handle the snow OK as well, or if you feel the need for an upgrade.

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    Most people were riding with the stock tires on the demo bikes. Keep in mind, the snow was only 4" deep. Personally, I'd save the Nimbles for the summer months and go with a more aggressive tire with better float for the winter. You can't go wrong with Bud/Lou or Bud/Nate.
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    Sounds good; am working on a build with Willo and was thinking of putting on bigger tires but it will be after winter season when I get the bike. I guess I might just try the stock tires for the spring summer fall, and then look into getting some bigger ones next season.

    Also, need to see more pictures from grimace

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhdPepper View Post
    Also, need to see more pictures from grimace
    So, I just don't have any really cool spots to take any pictures yet. I'll take some in the desert when I go riding on Sunday. In the meantime, here's another really terrible video ferya...

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    Some OUTSTANDING 360 on the bike!
    That headtube work..... mmmm. Love the welds. Just outstanding.

    Really amazing. Folks looking at bikes - obviously the most important things are fit (e.g., stack and reach: Fat Bike Stack and Reach ? rideFATbikes.ca), and components.
    There are a bunch of really nice bikes out there in the range of the Growler MBS like RSD Mayor, the BD bikes, Framed, and so on... you can definitely find the right bike for you.

    Personally I'm glad I've been lurking as long as I have since i learn a lot from the posts in this forum about things like brakes and (cold) temps, q-factors, chainstay length and so on. I went back and looked at the specs on the Growler after reading the article above, and was pretty happy with what I saw for me, but it's nice to think about what different bikes have to offer.
    Right now just on value alone the Growler is really tough to beat. The component list at the price point is outstanding, and for a direct customer model obviously Growler is amazing. Willo definitely is doing a great job, and with the customization available like we've seen on these pages, it's just amazing. Sure, you can go into a local shop or find someone to add custom paint, but again at this price point it's hard to find something so unique and 'you' unless you can afford a full custom build. Good price + customization + good customer service = win.
    My only little bit of sadness is that with the current model Growler can't help but get bigger. Willo will definitely do his best, but he'll have to work on bringing other great teammates in to keep it up because otherwise he'll get too big for this model. (we've even discussed this in pm).
    Keep it up Willo!
    Hope you can find good guys (maybe a few vets) to help you grow and still be Growler!
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    I gotta say, I can't get over this bike. The amateur videos that I shot, just don't do this bike justice. I've just been out in my garage going over every inch of the bike. From the caliper mount on the rear triangle to the welds on the cut-outs for the internal cable-routing, I am excessively impressed with the quality of this frame. Without a doubt a superior quality piece of work.

    Couple the frame with the top-notch components, custom paint, personalized touches ... there's no way you can touch this bike at the price-point.

    I had this little let-down moment on Wednesday ...the day I was supposed to get the bike. Some buyer's remorse crept in while I had to wait the additional day for the bike. Wow...is that so gone, in a big, big way. I really can't wait to hit the trails ...and good luck keepin' me off 'em!
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    First "real ride" ...

    Well, I got Phatallica out for her first real test today and had a really awesome time. The Growler MBS performed flawlessly and I'm really loving the GX drivetrain.

    My buddy has a 29'er (x2.1") and there were definitely some soft spots where his pizza-cutters had nuthin' on the sweet-rolling PanaRacers.

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    Took a video of a downhill section too. It was really bumpy ...I used YouTube's image stabilization to clean it up a bit. Guess it's time to move the action cam to my helmet. On the bars ...not so good.

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    Have a Mr. Bigstuff on order. I'll be doing a full YouTube review of the bike and purchase experience once I get it. My first ride on it may just end up being a race on a groomed ski resort course.

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    Congrats Tavis!
    Make sure to give us the link - I'll check it out. Good luck on the race!
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    Test rode the Mr. Big Stuff recently and loved it, got my wheels turning and can't wait to get my own.

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    Actually, getting my own hopefully by the end of the week.

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    Got my Growler fatty yesterday. It'll be a little while before I get my video done, but here are a few pics from setting it up last night.












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    That looks sick. Can't wait for in action coverage. Enjoy my friend.

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    NICE Tavis! Looks straight solid.

    Willo and I are finally working on my build. The initial color sample looks SICK!

    Showed them to my wife today, she likes the color a lot.
    Says, 'how are we going to pay for this?"
    I say, "with my commissioning bonus"
    She looks worried..... (thinking of finishing off some debt/bills, shipping the truck overseas... etc) "can we do that?"
    "YESSSSS... (/sly look) besides, you know what I'm getting with next years' bonus right?"
    (she looks at me. I look at her left ring finger. She looks at me. Tears in her eyes)
    "OK"

    (It will be our 20-year anniversary in just over a year)

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    Pepper's idea of diplomacy??
    Get fAt, Stay fAt, Ride fAt
    Doctor recommended...

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    Whatever works!
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    You got off easy...I think I am remodeling the kitchen :/.

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